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<v Speaker 1>Jusio, New Yorkers, Toxi around.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the seventy seven WABC Mini Cast.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Freedom two fifty The Decisions that made America Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's Jake Novak.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven fifteen PM. Here in the Eastern time zone. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Novak, live here on Freedom to fifty The Decisions

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<v Speaker 2>that made America Joining us Now is Michael Castellera. Michael

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<v Speaker 2>was a guest on this program weeks ago, just before

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<v Speaker 2>he was sentenced on a financially related conviction against him,

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<v Speaker 2>And of course we established a number of things during

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<v Speaker 2>that initial conversation, including the objective fact that this was

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<v Speaker 2>there are no actual victims in this crime. But since

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<v Speaker 2>then he has been sentenced, and Michael, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that has led to a more harsh sentence for

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<v Speaker 2>you is, at least according to the judge, you're lobbying

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<v Speaker 2>for a pardon for this conviction. So tell us where

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<v Speaker 2>we are right now and what we've missed since we

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<v Speaker 2>last spoke to you.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually called it distasteful and craven that I would

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<v Speaker 1>even consider applying for a pardon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a that's a little bit rough. I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not allowed to ask for forgiveness, but go ahead continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if there's no crime, I should be allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>answer forgiveness. Why would I have to answer forgiveness if

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<v Speaker 1>if there is no crime? Yet he's chosen to rule

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<v Speaker 1>with feelings every step of the way. I actually received

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<v Speaker 1>an extra year for doing media for not showing remorse

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<v Speaker 1>against my crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>The issue with that is you continue to contend that

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<v Speaker 2>you are innocent. So this is the conundrum that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who is convicted of a crime that they don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>they're guilty of is always basically in basically, do they

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<v Speaker 2>have to admit that they committed a crime that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel that they committed to get a better sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>or do they need to try to go the extra

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<v Speaker 2>mile for what they believe is the truth. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the dilemma that's been in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is, because you know, we to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the DJ to get them revisit this case. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's the biggest uphill battle there is.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's which uphill battle do you take presidential pardon

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<v Speaker 1>if you could prove that you were politically persecuted or

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<v Speaker 1>fighting the DJ who basically all they want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is cover each other's wrongdoings so nobody gets fired on

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<v Speaker 1>their side.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, you've contended that your open support for President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>led to this conviction. So that's a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>your case to the Trump administration for a pardon, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it is?

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<v Speaker 1>And we even crossed up to recently. Up until about

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<v Speaker 1>a month ago, the partner attorney reached outs at the court,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess for protocol to discuss my partner application and

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<v Speaker 1>to see who the judge has any comments. They said

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent of the time they never even comments on

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<v Speaker 1>it or anything. This judge wanted to make my partner

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<v Speaker 1>application public. I think somebody said to me that this

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<v Speaker 1>would be like one of the first times in US

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<v Speaker 1>history that that would happen. Then proceeded the Sudden District

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. Who are the ones that want to

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<v Speaker 1>put me in jail for eleven years? The Southern District

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<v Speaker 1>of New York deputies actually sided with the office of

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<v Speaker 1>the partner attorney to again state that they believe that

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<v Speaker 1>my partner application is too sensitive to make part of

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<v Speaker 1>a public docket. The judge still what done, and the

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<v Speaker 1>judge then opened it to the media till July twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to write a response.

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<v Speaker 4>If any media wrote, he would have released it. And

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<v Speaker 4>like my lawyer said, if fifty people write for you

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<v Speaker 4>and one person writes for him, he's going to rule

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<v Speaker 4>with that one media entity.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank god, nobody wrote, nobody said anything, so the department

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<v Speaker 1>application has remained sealed.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking to Michael Castellero, who is you have a

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<v Speaker 2>date that you need to report to prison, correct and

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<v Speaker 2>tell us when that is and tell us more about

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<v Speaker 2>your about your sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>Due to report September tenth. We are appealing the case.

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<v Speaker 1>We're waiting for the same judge to rule on bombline appeal.

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<v Speaker 1>We think we have given him enough case law, on

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<v Speaker 1>top of case law and on top of case law

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to rule for bombing appeal. And at

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<v Speaker 1>least I could, you know, not be uprooted, because the

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<v Speaker 1>stress to me is even if I go to jail

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<v Speaker 1>on an appeal, they're still going to take my assets

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<v Speaker 1>and in turn my wife and kids to come homeless.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something I can't fathom. And that's the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I will speak to the media, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>we're here today. So I'm hoping for bombla and appeal

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<v Speaker 1>pending a pardon or if for a pardon that happen

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<v Speaker 1>between now and September tenth, for my wife and kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't care what you do to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>that really is the truth at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Castillarro, you know, one of the reasons why I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to revisit your story is not only because of

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<v Speaker 2>the impending reports to prison date, but also because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to remind people of the personal history and the

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<v Speaker 2>political history of the pardon. Now, just before we went

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<v Speaker 2>to break, I let everyone remind I told everyone about

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<v Speaker 2>the very first presidential pardon in seventeen ninety five that

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<v Speaker 2>George Washington issued not to friends, not to people who

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<v Speaker 2>supported him, but literally to his enemies, people who had

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<v Speaker 2>committed treason against not only the United States government, but

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<v Speaker 2>were ready to take up arms against a militia that Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>as president was leading towards western Pennsylvania. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 2>he could have taken this very personally. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who was pushing him not to be in

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<v Speaker 2>any way lenient on the Whiskey rebels was Alexander Hamilton,

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<v Speaker 2>the Treasury Secretary at the time and his former aid

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<v Speaker 2>when he was a general, and actually Alexander Hamilton rode

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<v Speaker 2>out with the militia took they got the band back together.

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<v Speaker 2>They became army buddies again, just for that moment. But

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton ended up writing the words of the actual pardon,

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<v Speaker 2>the actual pardon statement. Why because as much as Alexander

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton didn't want to give lenience to these guys, the

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<v Speaker 2>Whisky Rebels, he believed it was important for the president

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States to be the only one who

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<v Speaker 2>had the pardoning power. Not Congress, not an auto pen,

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<v Speaker 2>not a White House staff, but the president himself, acting

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<v Speaker 2>like the kings and queens did in old Europe. The

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<v Speaker 2>fauniding fathers wanted a president who was like a king

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<v Speaker 2>and queen but accountable, but had all the same powers,

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<v Speaker 2>but accountable, and that was a big part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So President Trump is someone who we could see doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>And for many years they've been talking about how President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump some kind of vindictive guy that has been shown

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<v Speaker 2>to be completely not true. I mean, we just had

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<v Speaker 2>two hours ago on this very station Michael Cohen, who

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<v Speaker 2>the President has very publicly based forgiven for for everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So here you have someone in yourself who supported President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and you're you're hoping for a part and last

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<v Speaker 2>word to you, Michael Castelaire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just you know, I hope he's right now

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<v Speaker 1>watch it listening to your show. I hope we could

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<v Speaker 1>hear this, because you know, we have I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>done anything and everything to the point that I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to I think be in a position

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<v Speaker 1>where people can understand the injustices that have happening, not

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<v Speaker 1>just to me, but hundreds of thousands of people that

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<v Speaker 1>were seeing position. They were loyal to President Trump, and

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<v Speaker 1>now the bidens came after them.

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<v Speaker 5>Hard, hard, because you know, the movement that he created

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<v Speaker 5>was second to none. I mean, we relocated to Florida

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<v Speaker 5>because of him. Really, Florida was open and he moved

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<v Speaker 5>to Florida and me and my family picked up and

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<v Speaker 5>we moved to Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>We were away from where he lived. We were a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the properties of Trump properties and so on,

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<v Speaker 1>and we frequented them. And now it's it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>point where you know, they chose to pick and choose

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one who they came after.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's been the problem with prosecution of the DOJ

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<v Speaker 2>and sadly now also in DA's offices across the country. Undeniably,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like, no matter who's in charge, the decision

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<v Speaker 2>for which groups and which people get charge is more

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<v Speaker 2>political than basically taking a flow chart and saying, where

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<v Speaker 2>can we which indictments will get us the most peace

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<v Speaker 2>and prosperity in this country? Instead, it's which indictments will

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<v Speaker 2>get us the most political points score? Michael, where can

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<v Speaker 2>people learn before we go? Where can people learn more

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<v Speaker 2>about your case and more about your story? Tell us

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<v Speaker 2>some of those websites where you have that information.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a website called Michael kessleara dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>they can find me on x at Mike ce All

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<v Speaker 1>nine two one. I'm pretty active. I'm extra active. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could say, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, well, please keep in touch and we will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to tell your story. And again, it's a great way

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<v Speaker 2>for people to learn the history of this country. It's

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<v Speaker 2>happening right now, folks, and it's great to understand where

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<v Speaker 2>all these rules come from. It particularly the presidential pardon

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<v Speaker 2>as it was established by George Washington. Michael, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much, and best of luck to you when we

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<v Speaker 2>come back. I'm going to talk about what certainly is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most momentous decisions, no matter where you

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<v Speaker 2>fall on at pro or con in American history, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the very quick decision by Harry S. Truman,

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<v Speaker 2>President Truman to recognize the state of Israel. What went

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<v Speaker 2>into that decision, what did it mean. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that and what it means for us going forward when

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<v Speaker 2>we come back. Freedom to fifty, The decisions that made America.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Freedom two fifty, the decisions that made America.

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<v Speaker 3>On seventy seven WABC