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Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And we're back. D How are you doing.
Speaker 2: Doing great? Pete? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like we just talked the other day.
Speaker 2: Jose, Harry, I'm doing well.
Speaker 3: Charles very well, thank you, Pete very well.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I really don't know where to jump
in here because there's so much going on. But does
anybody do I want to get a discussion going as
to what we think is happening. I think Jose may
call it, call it k fabe just knowing Jose, where
it looks like Israel is net Yahoo is on the
outs with Trump. Anybody, Jose, why don't you feel that one?
Speaker 2: Well, I hope and pray it's true. I mean, I
hope and pray it's true, but I would Jose would
know more than me.
Speaker 4: So so my impression is that, like I just think
that the US is so overstretched now that yeah, there's
like an element of kfe but where I don't think
there's been like a rupture in relations because I think
the US is real relationship. It goes beyond like the
feelings of like the US President and like the Israeli
Prime Minister. It's very like structurally like built in and
whatever beef like Joe Biden has with Benjamin Yahoo and
then Donald Trump has. It ultimately just turns out to
be theater in the long term, I just think that
now they with the whole hoothy conflict like the US
just took like a big fat l with with them
with a bunch of just ragtag militia people like shutting
down the Red Sea and launching pretty sticated missiles against Israel.
Seems that they're going through like a recalibrated approach where
I think they're trying to go on a charm offensive,
like the US is trying to go on a charm
offensive with these Arab states, like these sellout Arab states
from like the UAE, the saudiast and try to mend
these ties and then try to reset like some type
of conflict with Ron like six months or a year
down the line, because I just don't really think that
there's much appetite amongst the American public to just fight
like a war with Israel. And that's why they're gonna
try to get creative by not just trying to build
this whole Abraham Accords, which is basically a balancing coalition
of like the Uncle Tom Arab states that will basically
serve as Kennon fodder for Israel along with the US
as well. But also I think too with that with
cough character that jew that they're sending all over to
like Russia and Iran. I think they're trying to get
him to get Russia to abandon Iran as well, to
abandon that type of strategic partnership. And I think that's
not that's what's not really being discussed. But when it
comes to this type of stuff dealing with organized jewry,
you often have to like read between the lines, because
I think that that's been part of a plan where
the Trump strategy is to tap into the sellout Arab
access and also woo the Russians over by making some
concessions in Ukraine to get them to isolate Iran. And
I also think they're doing this too with India, which
has been a pretty strong partner of Iran. They're really
making overtures there with especially with the likes of like
JD Vance, And Yeah, there is definitely a cafe, but
it's also just like the reality of the fact that
like the Judeo American Empire has like reached like a
breaking point both in terms of its foreign policy ventures
and just the fact that like the country domestically is
just increasingly becoming a mess and can it's barely keeping
the lights on, let alone being able to project power
against Ron, Russia and like China, it's just a disaster
on all fronts.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just make a quick comment and somebody else
can jump in. I recorded with Stormy yesterday. That episode's
coming out tomorrow, and this is one of the things
that we talked about. You know, I made the point
Trump could become virulently anti Israel, but there's gonna be
another election. There's gonna be another somebody else is gonna
be president one day, somebody else is gonna be somebody
else is gonna be sitting in the the Secretary of
State chair. And it's the deep state. You know, if
these administrative types aren't cleaned out, well what does it matter? Well,
what it's just a pause basically. So I mean, really like,
I think you started off by saying that it's so
deeply entrenched that it's really not going to go away,
And yeah, how can it go away if we're going
to have elections in the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually a really good point, because they could
get they Israelis could just like wait it out, and honestly,
they could get really petty. I mean, people cannot forget
this that hw Bush in some respects got coud buy
organized jewelry for the mere fact of just delaying alone
to Israel over some West Bank settlement stuff. And you also,
funny enough, when he knocked out on nor Diego, I
think nordega uh, one of his close confidence was a
Masad asset my career. And I mean, just like the
slightest like kind of like offense is enough to piss
off this Raelies because there's just such a petty people
that if they don't get like enough military aid or
enough of like their demands met, like, they treat it
as like a betrayal. So anything is possible. But at
this point, yeah, that there it seems to me that
the US like there is like a rational calculus being
made that they just can't pursue this stuff at the moment.
But who knows what could happen and what type of
people will insert a year from now, especially with a
lot of reshuffling of the national security state. But yeah,
they could also just wait it out because that whole
there's a big continuity of agenda when it comes to
the think tank industrial complex and the permanent bureaucracy. And
at the end of the day, when you have like
a really like post democratic state, like the US, elections
almost don't matter. And it's basically the people that write
the policy papers and the people who are part of
like the permanent bureaucracy that determine public policy.
Speaker 2: So to give you an example of why the election,
I mean white Trump, Tom Tillis just torpedo Trump's US
attorney picked for DC. So the most important arguably maybe
either the most important or the second most important after
Southern District of New York, right, And like Tom Tillis
and Linsta Graham are going to an in Senate until
they die or they quit or they volunteer to quit.
They're not going anywhere. And they're just not gonna I mean,
they're not going to be on the side of Donald
Trump because they're Moultan industrial complex guys. They're rabitsionists whatever,
pick your thing, but a huge, huge chunk of the
GOP Senate or traders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that we're what we're seeing now is
we have the only reason that anything like this would
happen is a realization that one the bad things that
jose had mentioned about everything happening at home and needed
to concentrate on everything that's happening here. And two, I mean,
there's obviously a pivot to China going on. And if
you're going to have a pivot to China, you have
that's going to take all of your resources, that's going
to take all of your intelligence, that's going to take
you need to have everything ready at a moment's notice.
I mean, if if the who Thies are, if Trump's
willing to do deal with the who Thias and with
Saudi Arabia without Israel being in charge, I mean, to me,
it could be a big middle finger to net Yahoo.
Because I'm sorry, I don't believe that Trump and Netanyahu
are friends. I don't care how many chairs he pulls
out for him. I think that they both do not
like each other at all. And I think that's just
about the best thing you can hope. That doesn't mean
that Trump doesn't like Israel. I think we know he does.
And people say, oh, well, that means because it's best
because he's one of the biggest Zionists in the world. Look,
he married his daughter is off or he's just a
boomer and that's what boomers do. And also he's worked
in New York real estate long enough to know that, Wow,
there's this group of people in the world that are
really really powerful, and if I want to get some
shit done in some places, I may have to be
nice to them. Yeah. Is that good for us? Is
it good for the country? No? But I mean I
guess from a real politic standpoint, it's kind of hard
to ignore. Right now. I just think of my friend
Tommy Simon saying, you know, if you're going to clean
if this country is ever going to get cleaned up,
you know, it's just a group of people over here.
They're going to be the final boss that we're going
to have to deal with.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's spot on. I think that's spot on.
I think you put it very reloquently as far as
I don't care how many chairs he pulls out. I mean,
he has to live in the world he's in, and
I think a lot of guys forget that. That's that's truism.
You have to live in the world you're in. And
these are people, as you said, that he's encountered throughout
the last what forty fifty possibly sixty years of his life,
that he's just done business with at all levels. For
the greater part of his life, and it's not really
any wonder that his family is married into them. I
wouldn't they They're the people he encounters all the time.
They're the people he gulfs with, they're the people he
eats with, They're the people he negotiates with. That doesn't
necessarily make them friends, but he obviously sees their value,
rightly or wrongly. I mean, I'm not in those situations.
I don't travel those circles. But I think as you
put it, and I think you're correct, and that this
is the world he lives in and he is I
think this is also something that's easy to forget because
he is a very intelligent man. He is very he
is very he's bombastic, but he's no fool, he's not stupid,
and he also is very charismatic, and he also has
away with people. But I think it's easy to forget
that he, like all of us, are not exempt our zeitgeist.
As I'm fond of saying, no man is exempt a zeitgeist.
He's still going to be a boomer. He's still going
to do boomer things, and we have to understand that
and accept it so that when we see certain things,
we just have to take the wins where we get them.
And I'm not saying we should beg for table scraps
all the time. Either let's not take one extreme or
the other. I'm merely trying to contextualize things in that
he's doing what he can. And I do want to
step back to something Jose had said. I really like
two words that you chose, Jose. I thought they were
excellent choices, recalibration and the charm offensive. I thought I
thought they were very good. I think they're really well
done because I think a lot of what he's trying
to do is, whether overtly or covertly, is circle the wagons.
We have to understand that he inherited a tremendous mess,
I mean at catastrophic levels. Look how bad it is
that we can see it. Imagine how bad it really is.
I mean, all everybody here is very intelligent. I mean,
if we can see the rot, what on earth do
you think they're managing to hide from us? So I
think a lot of this is him just trying to
we just lost a battle for the go ahead, Charles
just say. I was just trying to say that. I
think the charm offensive is as as jose A Pope
was very very well stated, and I think the recalibration
is also very important. And I think Pete's point is
this is real politique. This is what has to happen
because he has he is an inherit. He has inherited
and absolute if you'll forgive the phrase, because it's tired
and worn, but it is apt at this point. He
has inherited an absolute dumpster fire. What's he supposed to
do with it? I mean, he doesn't even know what's
in there that he has to put out? Is it
a grease fire, is it a fuel fire? What is it?
What do I even use?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: I mean he's just trying to make keep it all
under control the best he can. And frankly, I'm everybody
here knows that I'm I'm not enamored of the man,
but I do actually have to respect the fact that
he has grabbed the bull by the horns and is
keeping public confidence at a higher level than I would
have ever imagined impossible given what he inherited. By all
means deep please take where you want it to go.
Speaker 2: Well, just just forse abri if you mention it, but
just as a how bad things really are the US
Navy just lost a battle for the first time since
nineteen forty one, the US Navy was decisively defeated in
the Red Sea by people with no navy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's exactly my point. Yes, that's that's that's
exactly my point. Look at how it is. Yes, right,
and that's that's the point I'm drawing, trying to draw
to people the irony, and basically I'll TLDR it right here,
then I'll then I'll see the floor. Everybody thinks that, oh,
I know how bad it is, and it's like, no,
you really don't. And I freely admit, as informed as
I am, and as attentive as I am, and as
much of a natural investigator as I am, I freely admit, no,
I probably have no idea how bad it really is.
And not to be flippant, but the meme is is
truer than I think. Even the people that bandy it
about realize. It's like, no, you if only you knew
how bad things really are, so continue please.
Speaker 1: What I've come to realize is that a lot of
people are Some people make the argument that it'd be
better if you know, you pushed Trump, you push to
vote for Trump. Sure, I thought there was a better
chance of me not ending up dead with Trump in
charge than Kamala in charge. I'm sorry, I just happened
to study what they were planning on passing and some
of the things that they were doing they were planning
on doing, and I'm like, huh, I think a lot
of us aren't going to be able to survive that.
So at least we have four years of you know, probable,
you know, breathing room to try to get things in
place that we wouldn't have we wouldn't have been able
to do, you know, when she just completely created the economy.
And I still think there is some economic hardship coming up,
But I mean I think that that's just that that
was inevitable anyway, that was baked into the cake, no
matter what you do. But you know, I still come
back to a lot of this arguing over policy and
arguing over you know, how how controlled this government is
by Zionists or controlled by anyone, everything that's doing. I
still come back to the fact that there's going to
be my enemy is going to get elected and is
going to be in charge. My enemy will control the
House or the Senate, or both and White House and
in the future and there when I look at what
when I look at some of the things they did
from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four to some people
who would nominally be fellow travelers, I think that.
Speaker 2: If you're.
Speaker 1: Trump's not going to destroy his enemies or destroy our enemies,
so we have a road ahead of us that you know,
arguing about a lot of policy and things like that
is you know, I think the policy you should be
people should be paying attention to at this point is
monetary because that's something that you're going to want to
figure out how to take advantage of because it may
be the only thing that might be able to be
able to buy you out. Or you know, the famous
Greg Hood tweet about you know, just life in the
United States being about making enough money to get away
from the consequences as a Civil Rights Act while you're
hiding about while you're hiding your intentions of what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to be a third world country. You
have the money to bribe yourself out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if we're if our enemies are going to
be in power again at some point, what do we do?
And it's inevitable. I mean, no one can. Once you
come to that realization, once you get the acceptance of that,
you can go through the stage as a grief. But
then you'll get to the acceptance stage, and that's when
you have to be like, Okay, well, what are we
going to do?
Speaker 2: Oldgloryclub dot com? I think is the proper website, Like,
and it doesn't even if it even if Donald Trump
was like the president of our dreams, right, you know,
he just just said article two and like went ham
and made Mussolini after the marching room looked like a piker. Right,
There's still a population of what thirty million Africans in
the United States, probably equal number of absolute rabbit shit libs.
You know, that's like a really big country that's like
your brand. We have in your brand sized population of
people that are irredeemably hostile to us. No matter what,
You're gonna have to learn to live with that, or
deal with that, or just find a way to live
so that these people can't destroy you. I don't know
what else to tell people, right, Like, even if you
know Greg Abbott suddenly found the spine within himself the
stand up for Texas and like ban that that's monkey
statue and start you know, punishing people for fraud and
getting rid of all the you know, massive subsidies to
uh H one b s and all all of that right,
and militarize the border and put the Texas National Guard
on the border, and you know, all all the state
governors and all of our good states. You know, got serious,
there's still Gavin Newsom is nothing. It's gonna make Gavin
Newsom not hate you. He will hate you to the
day he dies. So how do you deal with that?
Because he has power?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what is what is liberalism? You know,
get you? I mean this is all about liberalism. So
if you still have it in your mind of oh,
I'm an individual and you know, individual rights is what's
most important. Yeah, people think that, like you know, in Germany,
they didn't have individual rights because you know, it was
the state was controlled. Well why was the state controlling things?
Because if the state didn't control things, there was a
certain group that had basically destroyed everything. But you know,
even people like Carl Benjamin Sarging of a cod He's saying, now,
liberalism can only destroy as it is an entire doctrine
which revolves around breaking human relationships. What we what are
we doing here? Man? There's nothing to build out of.
You have to accept powers a natural thing humans wield
as social animals, and therefore we have to do something
at some point. And there's this guy walk all distance
who he read tweets and goes, this.
Speaker 2: Is just wrong.
Speaker 1: Liberalism is not about breaking human relationships. It's just silly.
One reason this is all going nowhere is that people
talk past each other or play hide the ball with
their end goals, and so nothing ever us discussed properly.
And my comment to that was, quote, dialogue with people
who want you dead will solve everything. What what what
are we doing here? I mean if yeah, it's time
to trib up. But you can't trib up with people
like this. You can't trib up with people who think
that all you need to do is have a conversation
with the person who wants all you need to do
is have a conversation with those anarchists in h in
the Spanish Civil War, if those priests had just explained
to these anarchists and these communists that you know, hey,
you know we we're nonviolent, We're not going to hurt you.
Oh they wouldn't have slaughtered them? Is that what these
fucking dummies think?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And here here's the irony.
Speaker 2: Here's the bit in the gospel where our Lord tells
people to shake the dust off their feet, you know.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, and here's the irony. The problem isn't that
Franco killed these people. The problem is he didn't kill
enough of them. Look what Spain's going through right now,
for crying out loud, what's he going to do?
Speaker 4: The like?
Speaker 3: Again, I hate to keep harping on this, but what's
the boomera attitude going to do? Just look them in
the eye and shake their hand, write Pete. If you
just looked them in the eye and shake their hand.
These anarchists, these communists, they'll be they'll understand what you want.
You can just find a common ground. It'll all work out. No,
it really won't. No, it really won't. And even when
you try and get rid of all of them, you
still have to make sure that you do it thoroughly.
Because that's what Spain's enduring now is the fact that
Franco actually had some compassion and mercy. I was like, well,
I'm not just gonna kill entire you know, entire countrysides
full of you people. I'm just going to try and
have a few firing squads and get rid of the
worst of you. Well, apparently that that didn't work out either.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean.
Speaker 4: You got anything, Jose, I mean yeah, Like this whole
notion that you're just gonna have like discourse with people
that just cannot agree on basic fundamentals of like the
like the questions of life, You're just it's the perpetual
discourse trap that will lead to your civilization's demise. Like
the time for talking is over, like the the only
debate that is to be had is how we're gonna
dispose of these people, because Yeah, if you don't thoroughly
liquidate them and build institutions that prevent these people from
ever reconstituting themselves and insinuating themselves in your like society
and governing structures, you're just gonna repeat a vicious cycle
of like decline. And we have to like start thinking
outside the box now and discarding failed doctrines of like liberalism.
Speaker 2: Well, how can they get along with us if their
very existence just is contingent on them being able to
parasite off of us? I mean, I know, I bring
it up all the time. But really the show we did,
the shows we did about race Horn High School. Ever
since the nineteen sixty eight teachers strike in New York,
right government workers have basically been given the deal of
you will have an absurd pension. Do your twenty years
in government, and you will get a pension where instead
of you know, fifty percent or sixty percent of of
your salary, right, you're going to get like ninety percent
of your salary for the rest of your life. There's
no way someone, you know, the average person is not
capable of putting the interests of the whole above that
of themselves and for the greater good of society, sacrificing
that ninety pension for the for the common good. They're
just not going to do it. And so you know, like, yes,
you have to completely destroy the teachers union because the
teachers Union is hostile to civilization. There's no there's no like, oh, well,
we can make it better, Like no, you can't. You
have to destroy. You have to burn it to the roots.
And then you have to break the roots up and
burn those and you know, like they're not a conversation
can't happen where you know, in a public park recently,
there was a black militia group. Right, They're standing there
in the parks shouting about how they want to kill
every white person. How you can't live with those people.
Figure it out.
Speaker 1: If you state that, somebody's going to say you're racist.
I mean there are people who still you know. It's
like I was having a conversation with someone on Twitter today.
I said, multiracial multiracial societies don't work. I said, really,
the only thing multiracial society right now that's kind of
orderly on the on the planet is Singapore, and it's
kind of multiracial. I mean, all those people are sort
of most of the people who have congregated there are
sort of in the same kind of family. They at
least a lot of them look look somewhat alike. But
how do they keep order there? They keep order by
they're going to they will kill you if you get
out of line, or they will cane you publicly if
you get out of line. And I'm saying, you know,
multiracial society just doesn't work, and they're saying, no, no,
it's not about race. It's about the fact that people
can vote. It's like, I mean, if I lived in
a if I lived in a monoculture or a monoracialst society,
I mean basically, voting comes down to what you know,
someone wants. Who's who's going to give more gibbs to
my cousin. I mean it if people can't even get
past this and see this, I mean there there people
are willing to fight and die for those beliefs that
we can live in a multiracial society, that this should
be a multi racial society, that this should be. You know,
it doesn't matter what this is. You know, it doesn't
matter anybody anyone can be an American. I mean you
can't have a conversation with those people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, going back to the point of the vicious cycle.
Even in this theoretical multi racial palty where voting rights
are restricted, the there's gonna be tension one way or
the other. Like say, need a thirty years on the
line when it becomes clear that there's like a minority
that's only able to exercise political power and then you
have like a massive hell it class that can't vote.
That hell class is going to eventually clash, if not revolt,
Like this is not this is not something. This is
like a future evil that has to be prevented, and
you do that by having a coherent, like a racially
coherent polity, Like yeah, screw that, Like I don't want
to pass on like a future conflict to our posterity
just to scratch someone's ideological itch.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's that's what Inacpala said that you know,
the chief job of statesman was was the prevention of
foreseeable evils. And you know, we have this huge population
of mestizos that maybe they vote, maybe they don't. But
you you just set up and you've already seen it,
like how many blacks are left in Los Angeles. They've
been pushed out. There aren't any blacks left in content
or not not any.
Speaker 4: But but like.
Speaker 2: You know the birthplace of gangster wrap. Now you hear
ranchero music and the white people are sitting there, Well,
you know we should just get along. Why can't we
have rap ranchero music and everyone be friendly. Well, because
they're not capable of growing the economic pie. They needed
their ticks on the body politic of the state of
California on the on the white industries and the aerospace industry,
on the tech industry, on the you know, Hollywood industry,
that that's all brought there by other people, and they
are remorras on the body, you know, like following those
industries around and there's only so many scraps to go around.
If they were capable of building fresh world countries on
their own, they'd have built them already. Show me one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the old it's the old trope about how
much you know, blacks will just shit on whites all
day about being you know, being violent and being you know, oh,
you're the real violent ones. Look at the things you've
done historically. Yet they just want to be around they
want to be around white people. But they don't want
to be around white people as like you know, a
cast that needs to be I don't know, treated like children. No,
they want to dominate and all that turns into is
is violence and chimping out and killing. I mean, I
talk about this all the time. There was there's always
been ever since the ending of slavery, there's been black crime.
But there was a time when black crime was much lower.
And that was at a time when one, it was
permissible trying not to get in trouble here, it was
permissible to let's say what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 4: Too.
Speaker 1: I don't want to use punish, but you know, to
discipline someone when they got out of line. And also
there was and what I will point out is when
that time existed, blacks did a lot better financially, family, wives,
all down the line, they did pretty good. Well, it
wasn't yeah good.
Speaker 2: Well why should why should I care how well they're doing.
They're not my countrymen. They they were given the chance
to be my countryman. And the well, they're not going
they're not They're not going anywhere. That's the point I'm
trying to make. They're not going anywhere. Anyone who's screaming,
anyone who's screaming, oh, we're sending the Blacks back to Africa.
You sound like a libertarian saying just in the state, bro,
they're not going anywhere. Well, yeah, and so how do
we deal with them in the future? At a distance
and being well armed. That's how you deal with them.
Speaker 1: And right like Donald Trump should well, you're talking about secession.
And when you start talking about secession, the people who
are like, well, that means you're getting away from the cities,
and the cities is where all the power is. Bro.
And secession just means that China is gonna come in
and they're gonna take over and you'll just be you'll
be as slaves to Chinese now and everything. People, I mean,
this is shit that I see, like literally people I
know and I like people have had on my show
say stuff like that. You know, it's like, oh, you're
gonna you can't have secession to get away from people
and start your own and do your own thing, because
either you're gonna be wacoed or you know, the Chinese
will own you in ten years.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, two things to that. First of all, like
if there's someone who's thought more about cities and what
it means to live in a city and how to
build a beautiful city in our thing than me, I
want to meet that guy because I have stuff to learn.
But uh, Secondly, if you're going to the Chinese might
take over say Washington State or California, they already in
some large measure control the Democratic operative or democratic parties
in those states. They're at least interested in, uh, you know,
a functioning society. Two to colonize. They don't they don't
want like did they put up with the monkey shines
in Africa. No, they show up, they put up. They
put up with a certain amount of sense. When the
Africans aren't capable of delivering, what do they do. They
parachute in you know, twenty thousand Chinese single guys, and
those guys take over. I'm saying I would like the
Chinese to take over. I'm saying that the Chinese have
a certain amount of interest in like competent governance and
in a future where Pax American is no longer a
thing like this whole war in Indian and China, Indian
and Pakistan was over. You know, I believe the Ganges,
the course of the Ganges. Do you think that you know,
resources are going to get cheaper in the future as
they're you know, nine billion people on Earth, They're not
so in a in a world where the US Navy
is no longer ruling the waves and securing the trade routes.
You know, deal with the reality in front of you.
Chinese is uh, you know, satripies in you know, Los Angeles.
They'd probably provide better services than the president State of California. Honestly,
because the Chinese wouldn't tolerate the homeless scattlander. Chinese domination
would probably smell better. Leave in the world you're actually in,
and you know, like will the ideology of like I
don't want will be ruled over by foreigners? You're ruled
over by foreigners. Now go back to the beginning of
this conversation, who's actually in charge of America?
Speaker 1: Well, then they say, well, we don't. We don't want
to be ruled over by those people. It's like, hey,
well then how are you going to stop it? Everybody
wants to talk about you know how put it this way?
Every what I see is h what what a lot
of people bull make fun of boomers for or enormies. Oh,
we're just gonna if we vote, we vote the right person.
You know, we're gonna vote someone in and they're gonna
make everything better. I mean, isn't that exactly what a
lot of people who are like, well, secession isn't the answer,
or thinking we just got to vote the right person
in bro and and then he'll clean it up. Is
going to have the Protestant Franco and it's gonna you're
not gonna believe what's gonna happen here. Well, that sounds
just like you wish casting like that's something you that
you hope happens, but is outside the realm of reality.
So what do you do if that's outside the realm
of reality? And once you accept it, and I know
it's hard for people to to accept because a lot
of people are just completely in denial, then you you
have to accept the fact that you you may need
to start over. And the best way to start over
would be like organizing away from from other people, and
that maybe just maybe something that would look like secession,
whether it be the facto or whatever, but the the
idea that you're going to take back I mean take
back a city. Oh, Republicans are going to take back Atlanta? Okay,
when was the last time Atlanta was a Republican? Has
been a while, It's been a while, it's entrenched.
Speaker 2: Well, oh, did Detroit had a Republican mayor?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: And did he fix anything? Is Detroit like a thriving metropolis? Now? No?
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: This is this is the problem with people who are
too ideologically possessed. And I'll be quiet after this, but
I just get so annoyed with this because I have
studied cities and how they work and how they function
and what they mean in politics and all sorts of
this exact issue for like fifteen years. Okay, the only way,
the only way to change a city that has gone
to the dogs is like a complete disaster, like a
Hurricane Katrina level event and authoritarian government period. There's no
city I know of that has turned around on like
purely democratic means where everyone was respected right, purely democratic means.
Because someone will bring up Berlin and you're gonna it's
gonna be like, okay, yeah, when when Gebbels was gualtier
or got how pronouncement? When he was when he was
the leader of Berlin, was he in charge or did
he have to like listen to a bunch of different
people and get votes in city council? Or was he
just in charge? And could he clean it Berlin?
Speaker 1: Did he have two hundred pounds she boons like nipping
at his heels and telling him what he needs to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: But d American cities are going to be American cities
can be like that?
Speaker 2: Really No, no, really no they can't. No, they can't
for all kinds of reasons. And if you think they can,
and even listening to this show or me for any
length of time. You obviously have heard what I said,
but you weren't listening.
Speaker 1: There's a city in Texas right now that's I think
it's half half Hispanic that four point four million dollars
of their income every year is being sent to Israel.
Who's fixing that? Who's fixed Who's fixing that? And if
somebody does fix that, maybe someone gets elected and fixes that,
what happens to the next person who gets elected? Do
you under do people not understand the fucking problem here?
The problem isn't oh, you know we have all these
special interest groups. Well, yeah, that is part of the problem.
Part of the problem is ethnic groups are going to
Every ethnic group except whites is allowed to get together
and lobby for anything they want. But the main problem
is is the fact that you can elect the great,
you can elect the I mean, Okay, Sweden up into
a certain point around nineteen fifty early fifties, Sweden was
this thriving ethno state that had free markets and they
were wealthy as hell. And then what do they do?
Well they decided, well, you know, there are some people
who are war here, so we're going to start We're
going to start a We're gonna we're going to have
a like a welfare state. Okay, well, people need to
be taken care of, but also if you don't police
that thing and make sure people who are being taken
care of or actually need to be taken care of,
that's going to go off the that's going to go
off the rails. And then what happened. They didn't gatekeep,
so eventually they were overrun by friggin savages. Now they
didn't choose for that to happen, but they're not doing
anything about it. And I've heard people recently say who've
been traveled, who've traveled through Europe, that south, the southern
part of Sweden, like Malmo, right right over from Copenhagen,
is the most dangerous place in Europe. How the fuck
does that happen? It happens because my democracy and you know,
entrenched interests and not gatekeeping and not doing every not
understanding that order is a precious thing and once you
lose it, it's the possibility of getting it back is
almost impossible. The one group that did that in the
twentieth century, the whole world declared war on them. So
what are your what do you think you think you're
going to take over a city. I'm not talking about
like a town, and I'm talking about a city of
twenty five thousand people. You can take over Atlanta, you
can take over Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle,
where all the power comes from.
Speaker 2: How you gonna do that?
Speaker 1: How you do that? Oh well, we're going to read
The Battle for Berlin by Joseph and we're going to
do exactly what. Good luck with that. Good luck with that.
Sorry to be a downer. I'm not one of these
people who says everything is a black pill. I have
an answer, I have answers. I have things that we
can do. People don't want. Most people don't want to
fucking hear them though, because they've been I mean, they
turn into civic nationalists as soon as you start recommending
something that that goes against their programming. Anybody is free
to disagree with me and tell me where I'm wrong.
I respect you, guess.
Speaker 3: I don't think you're wrong on anything necessarily, Pete. I
just just trying to be thoughtful and trying to see
where the best way to kind of come alongside the
discussion is. And I would say that one to step
back to an earlier point you raised, things were better
when we had the availability extra judicial discipline, when you
could actually take care of your community and you didn't
need to rely on air quotes. Wherever the power was,
where the power was firmly in your hands and in
your community's hands, that's when things were better. And to
kind of address the larger macro point that I, if
I'm understanding you correctly, that you're making What people fail
to understand on the whole is that order does not
stem from prosperity. Prosperity stems from order. If you cannot
have order, then you will not have prosperity. The preponderance
of human history life has been nasty and brutish and short.
Only when man decided to take the reins and to
actually impose order do things get better? Does prosperity start
to flow from that? If you expect prosperity to just manifest,
I don't know what to tell you, because even the
Bible would disagree with that, Even the collected wisdom of
the Ages would disagree with that. Because, as as any
devout Catholic will tell you, we live in a fallen world.
Goodness will not just spring out of nothingness doesn't That
doesn't happen. So I could kind of address your larger
point that I please correct me if I misunderstand you.
But the issue it at hand now is we need
to establish order in whatever areas we can and form
it from there, and from thence is it will prosperity
be possible. But even then it's a long road to it.
As regarding the cities, some of the points you raised
during the cities, you said that there are people that
approach you with, well, that's where the power is. You
can't you can't let go of the power in the cities.
First off, well we don't have them already. The power
is already out of our hands. And second off, what
power are we talking about? I ask that in good
faith and genuine genuinely what power are we talking about?
They can't They obviously can't even manage themselves where if
they do, it's only to the barest degrees. As a
matter of fact, our own illustrious dark Enlightenment has said
countless times, I think literally every city in America is broke,
literally every single one. Please correct me if I'm wrong, date,
but I believe every single one of them is broke,
and obviously many to degrees that are just completely completely unsalvageable.
So these things are all just going to collapse under
their own weight, either economically, demographically, what have you. They're
all going to collapse under their own and all of
these people, these problems are going to starve themselves out
of existence. So I mean, does that mean we just
run away and hide. I'm not not necessarily saying that,
but I am saying that to your a point that
we just have to establish order where we have it
and understand that it's it's going to be a long road.
So you gentlemen can take the torch realize.
Speaker 2: I mean, I might be I might be right, I
might be wrong about it. I might be right, it
might be wrong technically speaking. I haven't done an analysis
of every single city in America, but I have looked
at you know, Chicago, Los Angeles, the top twenty, and
every one of them is in trouble and not doing
anything to fix it. And you know, listen to previous
programs that Peter and I have done together about why
this is a problem, or other programs are done. But
to Charles's point, right, like, I'm not the only person
who does this, looks at you, reads the tea leaves,
and sees this fiscal catastrophe in the future. Anyone who
could read an Actuar aerial table would know this sort
of thing is a problem in the future, and they
don't do anything about it. Well why not? Well the
answer is right either, as Jose says, you know, the
occupying government is more concerned with you know, what's going
on in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem than here or democratically, you know,
the population that's in Seattle just doesn't care because they'll
be dead then, or they need to get re elected,
or they need their free heroin right now and not
in three years. So you know that this is an
impending disaster, get away from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people take that as like running away or
seating ground. It's like, you don't seating ground would imply
that you have some ground right now politically what I'm sorry,
what do you have? What does anybody listening to this have.
I guarantee you anyone listening to this who has like
political power has it locally. And that just goes right
back to what I was saying. I'm sick and tired
of hearing people, even people that I like and respect
that I love and telling me that, oh no, you
just you can't see you can't just run away. Well,
first of all, it's not running away. Running away would
be running away implies you're running and doing nothing and
just hiding. No, you're going and building. And that's another
problem is people don't want to do that. I mean,
people don't want to read a book. You tell people that,
people like, oh, where'd you get that information? Well, it's
in this book. Well can you know read the book?
Well I don't have time to do that. Well, I
guess you don't have time to you know, do what
needs to be done in order to survive and thrive either.
And I mean that's not even me being rude or
shitting on you. That's me saying that.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Something needs to be done about that. You're gonna have
to figure out a way to do that, a way
to free do something that allows you to survive, especially
if you have a family. Because you have a family
and you live anywhere near a city right now, Man,
God help you. I'm sorry, Trump's not saving the day.
Speaker 2: God help you. If you live within one hundred miles
of Atlanta, I take the most fuel a vision car.
You can and be away more than one takeaway from
Atlanta because that's your radius of like bad things will
happen to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I was in Atlanta. I just went to
the airport last week. In order to drive through the airport.
Drive to get to the airport, you have to go
through some neighborhoods. These are neighborhoods that you're just like,
how can people live like this? And then you realize, Oh,
the only reason the neighborhoods are like this is because
of the people who live there. Yeah, it's not socioeconomic factors,
it's this is the way they want it. Well, it
wouldn't be that way if if it wasn't for the government. Bro,
we just got rid of the government, everything would be better.
You think you want to live in a world where
there isn't it even like just a little bit of
a threat from a state when these people exist, What
the fuck's wrong with you? I don't get it. I
have on Twitter when I got my account back that
I hadn't was suspended for two years. There's still a
lot of libertarians that follow me from way back in
the day. They still think this way. They went through
the last five years of through COVID and then through
the Biden presidency, seeing what was happening, seeing how the
state was just taking out their enemies. And they're like,
and you know, what would be the best if if
the state is your enemy, what's the best thing you
can do? Well try to mitigate your your your interactions
with them as possible, or maybe set up a plan
where you can get your own guys elected, you know,
because if the state's a gang you know, and I
think Charlie charlote Man had a tweet a few years
ago where you said, libertarians are completely right, the states
a bunch of gangsters. What they don't get is that
you want to be those gangsters or else you're at
their whim and if you can't do it, and if
you're probably not going to be able to do it,
you know, on the federal level, but local sitting right there,
a lot of people, a lot of people have gone
local and been able to control their town and get
things prevented from happening in their town that you know
that they didn't want drag Queen's story out or books
and libraries, YadA, YadA, whatever. There are answers out there.
The problem is is you're going to have to do something.
You're going to have to do something, and a lot
of people either don't want to do that for ideological
reasons or they don't really have the time to do that.
And I would say that the people who really want
to get out of their situation but they don't have
the time to because they're working that hard for their family,
click up with people who are looking to do this.
You don't have to be a leader, you don't have
to put all your time into it, but fucking save
yourself and save your family. Because you know, just as
there was a you know, you read in the Old
Testament and then there came a pharaoh who didn't know
who Joseph was, Well, there's going to come a time
when Donald Trump or whomever you think is your hero
is not going to be in there, and it's going
to be someone worse than then. You know, the people
put it this way, there's gonna be no one standing
in the way of the people who are have been
in this managerial state and or deep state or whatever
you want to call it. No one was holding them back.
For four years twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, the
whole time Donald Trump was a president the first time
they were in charge, which was worse. It was worse
under Biden because somebody was there to actually like stop
them from coming and attacking and coming after us. As
soon as Biden took power, they came after us. What
do you think you think it's going to be better
the next time. Yeah, Biden wasn't compassmentous for at least
three years of his presidency.
Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think with someone
who acted with when AOC is the president in eight years,
you think she's gonna forget all the people who trolled
her on Twitter?
Speaker 4: Yet?
Speaker 1: I reminded I told people this on my live stream
a few weeks ago, and people were, you know, they
don't want to believe me. If you think you're in
a non on Twitter and the state doesn't know who
you are, you're retarded. Now I'd be worried. You know
what I think you worry more about people worry more
about on Twitter is like some Antifa fox or something
like that, finding out who you are and coming after you.
If you're in a non the state knows who you are.
It's freaking Israel has this freaking software where they can
where they can dox anybody. Basically, if you're on social
media and they want to target you, they gotta know
who you are. So what happens the next time your
enemy gets in charge. You can't delete that account. You
can delete it, but all the data is still there. Well,
maybe start making your plans now, because Trump or somebody
to hold them off is not always going to be there.
And there are still people who are being targeted even
with Trump being in office. So take that for what
you will. It's not a people will say it's a
black pill. I don't think so, it's reality you have
to make. You know, you have to figure out the
best way to get through in past reality, the best
way to deal with reality. I have some I have
some ideas. I think I have some answers, but yeah,
they have to be implemented. And I mean, I think
I've done a fairly decent job so far. But yeah,
that's a lot of what the Old Glory Club is
about too. So you know, we're not forgetting about the
national politics, but it's not the most important thing at
this point.
Speaker 2: Well, I hate to keep repeating this line, but it's
nevertheless true. Right, Like AA, the one American spiritual contribution
to the world. We'll see what Leo the fourteenth is
capable of. But the first step is admitting you have
a problem, right, Like, so many people in and out
of our thing want to pretend that everything is okay
or that things aren't as bad as they are. Look,
our roads look like the dark side of the moon.
I was recently on a major highway outside of a
major city, and you would have thought I was on
like a dirt road in like North Mississippi, with how
full of potholes this thing was. And until you accept that,
like certain things are just not going to function in
the future, you're gonna you know, and putting your money
or your time or your energy into anything that feeds
a presence system is just a waste of time. You know.
Not only is there the what thirty trillion dollars in debt?
How many trillion hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities are there?
How many how many major banks are actually insolvent when
you take a real look at their books. Right. Nina Djenko,
which the you know, the crazy uh theater kid lady
who was going to be in charge of censorship for
the Internet, Stormy, we made this great point on you
on your recent show, Pete. She's not out of power,
she just moved locations. I think she's working for the
EU now, right, yeah, right, So I'm sure there was
like deputy assistant under Secretaries of of you know, underwater
basket weaving that got fired from the Trump administration. You
think they didn't find a job at the UN or
some NGO the next week asorrows inng O. Of course
they did. And you know, no one on the right
wants to put their money. They want to make money, right,
he one must wants to make money. The reason he,
you know, joined the Trump administration as much as he
did is he realized that like being a chubby nerd
with hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars
in a world where you know, electricity is intermittent is
only a great way to like have people beat you
up and get eaten. And so he likes the world
where the like electricity runs and and you know, civilization
hangs on because then he gets to be a rich
dude with lots of cool stuff. But like when when
there's no electricity, he's from South Africa, when there's no electricity,
his Tesla is useless, so he understands the stakes at least,
but he's still trying to make money. You know, Tucker
Carlston is part of the Swanson TV Dinner family fortune
he has he has real money. Has he done anything.
There's no one in American on the American right wants
to actually win. They want to perpetuate the system that
has allowed them to be successful. And they don't understand
that that that that system, by its very nature will
eventually eat them and their kids and everything else that matters.
So you can't depend on them, and you gotta build
outside of it. Right. I like Victor Orbond quite a bit.
I think he's probably one of the best leaders in
the world right now. But rod Rod Dreyer, the trader,
scumbag American Conservative, was given a job at the Danube
Institute and given a spot in his country by Victor Orbon.
You know, Victor Orburn should know better. He should know
that Roderri's scum. He should know that Rod Rare is
a coward and untrustworthy, but he doesn't because he's a Conservative.
And that's the problem. It's like until like somebody like
Thomas is given a job at a think tank. You
can't trust think tanks because they want maintain the system
that has put them in a position where they have
a cool office in downtown DZ, a couple of blocks
in the capitol. You know, Kato has a really nice
building in Washington, DC. It's huge, takes up like half
a city block. Why would Kato tell the truth about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the biggest One of the biggest
issues that we have is is that the capture when
people who could, you know, formally, or could do a
great job of exposing the things that need to be exposed,
they start getting a paycheck, they start having, you know,
more money than they've ever had possibly, and they're just
they have to do, you know, And then you have
to take into account the people who run those Glenn
Lowry was a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and he
was he got a two paragraph email saying that he
no longer worked at They at the Manhattan Institute and
why because he said that what was happening and Gaza
was a crime, It was was a war crime, was genocide.
Who runs that? Who runs the Manhattan's who finds that
Manhattan is to Paul Sanger, who's on the board, Bill Crystal.
Speaker 2: I mean, and the Manhattan Institute is one of the
better ones out there because they're the ones who are
higher Heather McDonald, and they'll admit that, you know, like
sometimes Negroes are just dumb. That's not like they're edgy
for saying that this is not this is not the
Reason Foundation or Heritage or AEI or anything like that,
this is the Manhattan Institute. They're edgy. They they they'll
talk to and cultor and HEATHERN McDonald, they'll publish Life
at the Bottom. Uh, I don't remember. No, it was
a British guy who was a psychologist who anyway, like
they're they're among the better establishment think tanks in America.
But you know, sovereign is he who decides the exception, right,
And Glenna Lowry walked up to the sovereign and said,
nah fam And then he found out who was in
charge of real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I remember Chris Rufo Manhattan Institute. He
wrote an article about Charlori, Pennsylvania, and in that article
he mentioned that the group that was showing up that
helped all those Haitians get in there to take over
the town basically was part of Jewish Family Services. And
when that article came out, I was kind of shocked.
I was like, this is weird. But then what happened
a week later, so everything that never happened before. Chris
Ruffo went on Twitter and started talking about how much
of a problem anti Semitism was on the right. Yeah,
we need our own think tanks, you know, need our
own everything because if not, I mean, what happens you
get you Inevitably people are going to be in the
hierarchical structure. They're going to be under somebody who is
going to tell them, Well, you can't say that. You
can't tell the truth. You can't You're not allowed to
mention higas, You're not allowed to mention jfs. You can't
say those things. And I just basically you're, yeah, what
happens to your credibility after that? I choose to censor
myself sometimes, but I do it to myself, and I
do it for for what I think are strategic reasons.
I could be wrong, but I do it out of
strategy because I think I'm I think I'm playing a game.
I think I think this goes way beyond waking some
people up on Twitter, And sometimes there are things that
I shouldn't say. Maybe I should just say everything. But
it's what I think, it's how I but no one's
telling me to do that. I'm doing it myself. I'm
doing it myself, and I'm doing it for a reason.
I'm not doing it because of a paycheck, and I'm
not doing it because someone's telling me not to. People
want to believe that they have quote unquote right wing based,
right wing leadership out there who are willing to willing
to talk about how men are really men and women
or women, and they may even have some roles, Yeah
there are roles that only men should have and only
women should have, so based, but they're not willing to
talk about how society even got to the point where
you had to have that conversation where you have to
say something so obvious, and who might be responsible for
it and where that comes from, and the fact that
there's a history of it. It doesn't go back fifty years,
but it goes back centuries. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't think. I don't think saying these things is brave.
I think saying these things is just, you know, you
want to speak the truth and you want people to know,
and you know, you want people to be able to
If enough people have the truth and know exactly how
the game is being played and what they're up against,
then they can make their own decisions about the best
way of going forward. And if they want help with that,
you know they all they have to do is.
Speaker 2: Ask, well that the most important thing that you can
do for yourself right now, right isn't get another argument
on Twitter. It isn't going to prove how based you
are in a group chat. It's position yourself to be
better off no matter what. Like if Donald Trump, like
hypothetically right, becomes an article to president tomorrow and just
starts deporting tens of thousands of people per day, gets
the courts in order and you know DEI and affirmative
action and does repeals Griggs v. Power whatever you know,
pie in the sky thing that you want to say
he was doing, and grew upset with him because he
hasn't done that thing. Right, Well, okay, how'd you take
advantage of it? What would you do? Val Trump did
everything you wanted, what would you did to take advantage
of it? Contrastically, if Kamala Harris was in president right
now and was like literally hunting down people for mean tweets, which,
let's be honest, she would be what would you do?
I think a lot of those things would be the same.
You get out of debt, you'd you know, get some skills,
you you know, whatever it is that you're doing, you'd
find some bros. You'd work out. I mean, whatever it
is that you're doing that's good, do that, you know,
be outcome independent of who's in charge in Washington, because
right now anywhere in America, if ten guys show up
to a school a school board meeting and complain about
the same thing. If you have ten bros, so eleven
of you walk into the school board meeting, everyone's dressed
this dressed, you know, respectably, but not like obviously wearing
a uniform. You sit in a bunch of different spots,
so you don't all sitting together, and you complain about
the same thing. The people who are in the school
board are going to feel like that's one hundred people
or a thousand people that are upset about that particular thing.
It might just be you and your ten bros that
are upset about that one thing, but they're going to
think that, you know, thousands of people are mad about
this because ten people bother to show up and complain.
Get to the point where you have ten bros that
will show up to the you know, school board meeting
on Thursday night at six o'clock, and then then you
can actually accomplish some stuff. You know, put an edition
in your house, having ten bros show up there with
framing hammers. You can knock that bad boy out in
a day. Buy a couple of pizzas, get a couple
of beers, a couple of sixes of beer, have a
bro show up and help you out. I got that
the framing on that edition one Saturday done. Get in
a position where the regime can't hurt you, and if
it tries, you have friends that will help you out.
Speaker 1: Any idea and I got comments.
Speaker 4: I personally think that just real quick, there needs to
just obviously be a like one thousand flowers like bloom
type of approach where people are just gonna going to
have to rely on their strengths and some people will
absolutely dominate with regards to political organization at the local level,
and then some people may are unfortunately going to have
to be stuck in cities. But like get skills make
money and then use that those resources to buy land
and build networks. But the one thing that people have
to avoid is becoming another like atomized individual that whose
whole life is marked by mindless consumerism. People need to
break the cycle of animization and derac nation and start
building communities, networking with people, because these are the most
valuable assets you can have in this society marked bites
like nihilism and this loneliness. So people need to just
deal work with the hand that's been dealt with to
them and just go from there. This is going to
be a reconquista, a long slog, but you have to
have like sight of the bigger picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would I co sign everything you just said, Jose. Absolutely,
it's a long slog, it's a reconquista, as we said earlier.
And I would also add to kind of tie up
a few of the threads that all of us have mentioned,
even in de talking about ten bros just get together
for this. Look what you can accomplish in just a day.
I mean I remember when I did that and I
had a whole deck done in a Saturday afternoon. But
I mean, even if you don't want to take that far,
if you don't want to look that far ahead or
take that large an effort upon yourself, start small. That
book that Pete said, read that go to the gym.
When was the last time you went to the gym? Hell?
When was the last time you walked around a park? Okay,
when was the last time you threw a punch? When
was the last time you hit a bag, a speed bag,
a heavy bag, anything? Whereas Jose said, stop being atomized?
When's the last time you called a friend instead of
a friend calling you. I'm not saying you have to
conquer the whole world. I'm not saying you have to
retake Portland. Just stop being atomized and start moving towards
something beyond your cell phone screen, something beyond your internet connection.
You don't have to you don't have to conquer the world.
Just take a few steps in the right direction. They
can be small. When I to go back to a
point you raised earlier, Pete, when we were fortunate enough
to get Trump in in twenty sixteen, what did I do?
Got together some friends and bought land, bought bullets, bought firearms,
started going to the gym again.
Speaker 2: Hard.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm never going to be twenty two again. Obviously
that's just not going to happen. It's impossible. But you
know what I could not. I don't have to be
I don't have to be a fat, slob, fifty something
year old guy that doesn't know what the inside of
a gym looks like or hasn't lifted a weight in
twenty years. I can control that. I can't roll back
the clock, but I can control that. What did I do?
I made use of the time. Did I make mistakes?
Sure I did. Pete and I were just talking. I
didn't pick the best ground to try and grow things on. Okay,
all right, I faltered, but I still moved in a direction.
And what I have discovered over the course of my
life is well, it's a lot easier to change direction
than it is to gain momentum than it is to
start moving. So just start moving and then change directions
as necessary. That's my piece on that, gentleman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I realized that a lot of people tune into
these episodes for to hear us rag on.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 1: You know this regime, the controllers of the regime, you know, minorities,
YadA YadA, all crime whatever. Sorry, I'm gonna need an
episode every once in a while, we're you're gonna have
to start looking in the mirror. I know people don't
want to hear that. I know it hurts when when
I'm confronted, when I have someone confront me about something,
you know, probably normally my wife, I don't want to
hear it. But yeah, self exis emanation is it's really important,
and it's what you know, It's what mature people do,
and it's what people who responsibility is something is how
do you even start to call yourself response response right wing?
If if if you're not a responsible human to yourself
and to your family, it just that doesn't make any sense. So,
you know, I apologize for for making this about if
you're listening to this and I made it about you,
or you think I'm talking to you, my apologies, but
I need to hear it every once in a while,
and so does everybody, and I hope it. I hope
a lot of it made sense, because you know, I've
I've a sendency to ramble and stumble over my words.
Sometimes I understand that I understand that I you know,
I understand that I stutter. It's funny and people point
that out and they think that I don't know. Yeah,
I have a tendency to do that.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you're my favorite stuttering retired Pete.
Speaker 1: Step prick.
Speaker 2: I think you make a very good point. And the
the point isn't that, you know, oh woe is me.
We're all going to lose and everything's gonna go down
and you know, fire and brimstone with all that in mind, right,
but the system rate against this, the judicial system being
a joke, the deep state, whatever thing you took away
from this evening, let that be a lesson to you
that whatever comes next can't let this happen again. Right.
If Donald Trump manages to fix everything, great, but also remember,
like there was this one judge in like you know,
federal District Court that like totally destroyed, like nearly destroyed
the Trump presidents, you know, the North Carolina senator who
should know better, right, didn't try to fix it? Why not? Okay,
Well that's the you know, to the extent that options
are are fixable or things are fixable, right, use this
conversation to give you ideas about how to fix things,
and to the extent that things aren't fixable, use this
conversation to you know, like Charles said, you know, it's
much easier to change direction than build momentum. So take
whatever momentum you've got a channel in a in a
productive direction. If if you know the politics side isn't working,
you know, go to the community building side of things,
build your business, save some money, do whatever it is
that you need to do that you know, keeps that
momentum up.
Speaker 1: Anyone else got some clothing comments? Will uh keep this
one at a decent length? We have we have a
tendency to make everyone in the most good two hours,
So say you got an't close anything to say.
Speaker 4: I just want to reiterate the importance of people just
starting to build networks in whichever way possible. It's not
gonna be a uniform strategy. And I also would advise
them to just look at history, to read up on
not just historical political movements, but also within kind of
like the nationalists, right not socc movements and all that,
to just ensure that they're not repeating mistakes of the past.
And then also seeing like if they can find moderate
successes and try to implement them or replicate them or
even update them to the current context. And I think
that's very important. That's like the more most productive work
you could do and contribute whichever way you can. You
don't have to be in activists. You could be like
a donor, you could be somebody that provides infrastructure. But
the very important thing is that people start connecting and
building these networks because that's what ultimately wins, because politics
is at the end of the day, about interconnected human relations.
Speaker 1: But what I wanted to add to what Jose was
just talking about, where multiple things when it comes to
the Old Glory Club. There if you start a chapter,
there are some rules that you have to follow, but
you can you know chapters in different areas. Different areas
are having different issues. That's the way you deal with it.
You figure out what you need. Will help you all
you can if you ask. But you know, we have
chapters right now that are just Alabama chapter is off
on its own. We're doing our own thing, and you know,
it's fantastic, and I know the Montana chapter is the
same way. These guys are just killing it doing two
different two totally different things, but just concentrating on what's
most important in their area, because that's what you can
control at this point, and that's what's most important. Because
that's where you live. Yeah, the overwhelming majority of people,
you know, ninety nine more than ninety nine percent of people,
closer to one hundred percent of people are never going
to have an interaction with a federal agent. You have
to concentrate on your local area. That's what's most important.
Speaker 3: So I just want to say a couple of things
very briefly, and then I'll let the say his piece.
But briefly. I recall calling you, actually, Pete, when I
was leaving the doctor's office one day, because you had
said something at the end of the program. And forgive
me if I if I get it wrong slightly or
if I accidentally put words in your mouth, but I
recall I contacted you and I said, hey, Pete, I
just want to say on the side that I respect
you a great deal as a fighter for all you do,
and that I really felt a kinship with you. You
may recall this voice message that I sent you, and
I said that you do this basically to cut to
the chase out of love, and I said, I feel
very much the same way, and I said that that's
one of the reasons that I really appreciate you. You
having me on and I was happy to learn that
we had that one thing in common. I think we
have other things in common, but I think that's the
most important thing. So that being said, that being my
segue to my point here. I'm going to put words
in your mouth and I forgive me if they're wrong.
But gentlemen, if you're still listening to me, I would
say this, nothing Pete said today was a black pill.
What you have to understand that is is that's just
cold water on your face. He's not trying to demoralize you.
He's trying to get you to wake up a little bit,
get you to see that there are some issues. It's
not Nobody is kicking you when you're down. Nobody is saying,
you know, you just got to man up, none of
that nonsense. We're just saying that you have to see
the world for what it is. We're saying that you
have to understand the world you live in and that
you have to take appropriate measures to get yourself out
of trouble. Because we can't do it for you. We
shouldn't do it for you, frankly, because it's just part
of growing up. It's part of living, it's part of learning,
it's part of maturing. But that is what I That's
what I'm here to do, and I suspect that's what
Pete's here to do today. Just some cold water in
the face, but also that hopeful reminder that there are
other men out there that are here whenever you need help,
and just reach out. Don't be atomized. Like Jose had said,
learn to reach out, learn to talk to each other.
I'm not saying become a charity case, but try and
carry yourself as much as you can, and when you
need help, seek it and seek it. So thank you
very much for having me on, Pete, and I wish
all your listen. Here's the best.
Speaker 1: Of course, Charles, you're this show isn't thought crime sending
good without you? So d you have anything you want
to finish with.
Speaker 2: Or just my usual you know, Freeman be on the
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support you. And thank you so much for having me again, Pete.
It's always a pleasure. You are welcome. We are the
thought crime send to good and without. When one of
us is gone, it seems like there's a piece of
us is missing. So yeah, thank you guys for being
able to do this. I appreciate it.