Speaker 1: All right, let's get a drive time Tuesday afternoon, twelve
Speaker 1: minutes past the hour, two o'clock hot day outside it is, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's June, it's late June, it's summer, so
Speaker 1: what can you do? And it feels like it outside.
Speaker 1: We are looking at about eighty eight degrees in sunny
Speaker 1: here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. And as it
Speaker 1: is every single day, it's good to have you along
Speaker 1: for the ride. Spence Check, It's beyond to Mike Porto
Speaker 1: Larson behind the glass producing the show today, we are
Speaker 1: unexpectedly very very busy with some local stories, national stories
Speaker 1: as well. It is a historic day potentially for BYU football.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you why as the announcement came down earlier
Speaker 1: today on the Pat McAfee Show. Pat McAfee likes himself
Speaker 1: some BYU. BYU likes themselves some Pat McAfee several different
Speaker 1: parallels and conclusions to draw between that relationship. But Rider Lions,
Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks in his class coming up
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six, has chosen BYU to play his
Speaker 1: college football at He chose BYU over Oregon. Those were
Speaker 1: his final two schools, but he also was offered, well,
Speaker 1: pretty much offered by everybody when you're looking at a
Speaker 1: kid that is this highly thought of. BYU has not
Speaker 1: had a five star recruit since two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: Their best recruiting class, according to the information I was
Speaker 1: reading earlier, was twenty ten when they were a top
Speaker 1: thirty class. And it's not just right. They've got a
Speaker 1: really good tight end from Saint George. They've got a
Speaker 1: good offensive tackle as well. My guess is they're going
Speaker 1: to finish probably in this top twenty, top twenty five.
Speaker 1: We'll have to see what this does. So we do
Speaker 1: have some local storylines to get to with the college
Speaker 1: football recruiting stuff on the program today. Happy Tuesday to you.
Speaker 1: Hope you're having a great work week, and we'll get
Speaker 1: to all the fallout and take away from Ryder Lions,
Speaker 1: this young man from California who will serve an LDS mission,
Speaker 1: and then we'll be available potentially for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So we'll get into this, and we are efforting some
Speaker 1: BYU guests to shed a little light on them. And
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately six years ago, old producer of the program,
Speaker 1: our old buddy Brady Brady Clark, who unfortunately was a
Speaker 1: COVID casualty. He's not dead. We just had to let
Speaker 1: him go, want to be very clear, just to be
Speaker 1: just to Brady's alive and well he's married with a
Speaker 1: child and he's moved on to do other things. But
Speaker 1: he sent out a tweet and tagged me in it
Speaker 1: that sounded like I said, he died like COVID casualty.
Speaker 1: But now he's not dead, he's alive. That six years
Speaker 1: ago when we first started talking about NIL and the
Speaker 1: ability uh for these young people to make money while
Speaker 1: they play football or other sports and institutions could be
Speaker 1: a massive windfall for bringing young and as we fast
Speaker 1: forward six years later, here we are now. One of
Speaker 1: the things that bothers me about our business these days
Speaker 1: is you've got a bunch of talking heads that throw
Speaker 1: darts at dart boards and only focus on the one
Speaker 1: thing they get right, and they ignore the forty things
Speaker 1: that they got completely wrong. So I'm not bragging, but
Speaker 1: ultimately it's become pretty clear that they're in a spot
Speaker 1: down there to capitalize on the current landscape of collegian
Speaker 1: and athletics to add to their football and basketball programs
Speaker 1: and certainly other programs as well. So it is a
Speaker 1: big day for BYU football and it is a shot
Speaker 1: across the bow to the University of Utah. Another one.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Utah continues to piece together their twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six recruiting class. So we'll get into some of these
Speaker 1: storylines on the program today. We have another trade to
Speaker 1: talk about in the NBA. We have a couple of
Speaker 1: trades to talk about in the NBA. Actually, as CJ.
Speaker 1: McCollum is headed to Washington, I'm sure he's super excited
Speaker 1: about that. Then we'll get into the Drew Holliday to
Speaker 1: the Portland Trailblazers, mainly as we're doing Sports Soccer radio
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. The Utah Jazz are not involved
Speaker 1: in any of these transactions. For all the conversation about
Speaker 1: you know, Brian Winhors going on Sports Center and saying
Speaker 1: that he's told the Jazz are going to try to
Speaker 1: expedite this process. So far, as we sit here on
Speaker 1: the eve of Draft Day, and we'll get to some
Speaker 1: draft today as well, the Jazz of stad pat NBA
Speaker 1: Draft tomorrow sorrow. Excited for this. I'll be anchoring our coverage.
Speaker 1: Gordy Chiasa Richard Smith, two men that have been in
Speaker 1: hundreds of war rooms decision rooms on draftnight will help
Speaker 1: us kind of understand the landscape what we'll be dealing
Speaker 1: with tomorrow. Sham Schararni is reporting the San Antonio Spurs
Speaker 1: have settled on Dylan Harper after some potential maybe options
Speaker 1: to move off the pick or maybe take some other players.
Speaker 1: Feels like the intrigue starts at four. That's my best
Speaker 1: guess because most of the reports are VJ edgecom is
Speaker 1: going to head to Philly at three, So we'll get
Speaker 1: into it on the program today, get you ready for
Speaker 1: the draft. We're also a couple of days away from
Speaker 1: the NHL Draft to hopped on a zoom call this
Speaker 1: morning four the Utah Mammoth. Bill Armstrong addressed the group,
Speaker 1: talked about their plans for four. The NHL Draft will
Speaker 1: come down coming up on Friday of this week, so
Speaker 1: a lot to do. Aaron Rodgers whatever, He's announced that
Speaker 1: this is probably it. Fine, good riddance, So a little
Speaker 1: NFL offseason, a lot to do. On the program today,
Speaker 1: good guest lists. We'll start things off NBA Daily Assist
Speaker 1: style with Zach Harper. We'll get Zach's take on Durant
Speaker 1: to the Rockets, on CJ to Washington, on Drew Holliday
Speaker 1: to Portland, the NBA Draft tomorrow. Of course, Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: they are championship parade today featured Alex Caruso shirtless with
Speaker 1: a couple of michelob ultras. Chet Holgren tried to address
Speaker 1: the group but clearly was wasted. Suret's optional for the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder today and their parade, So we'll get
Speaker 1: with Zach. We'll do mostly jazz with Tim McMahon today,
Speaker 1: jazz offseason NBA Draft. Timmy will stop buy as well
Speaker 1: as he does every Tuesday, efforting potentially Blaine Fowler, maybe
Speaker 1: some other BYU guests for our three thirty slot that's
Speaker 1: open right now to talk about this day that could
Speaker 1: be historic for Brigham Young. And then Bill Riley voiced
Speaker 1: the youth's good day. To have Bill on, We'll talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of what this signals for what the
Speaker 1: University of Utah needs to kind of step up and
Speaker 1: do to keep up with their Brotherren forty miles south.
Speaker 1: As the crow flies from our studio Dave Fox Live
Speaker 1: in Studio four thirty, I'll be on TV with Dave
Speaker 1: tonight ten thirty five, Cam Yu, We're gonna preview the
Speaker 1: NFL draft, excuse me, the NBA Draft, and I imagine
Speaker 1: we'll pop around and talk about a bunch of different
Speaker 1: things because it's an unexpected busy Tuesday afternoon. Zach Harper,
Speaker 1: Tim McMahon, Bill Riley, Dave Fox. Maybe some other guests
Speaker 1: were a little fluid on this Tuesday. All of you
Speaker 1: the great listeners, thank you for making us a part
Speaker 1: of your day. Me Spence check Its And that guy
Speaker 1: Porter Larson not a COVID casualty, but wearing sunglasses indoors. Hello, Porter,
Speaker 1: how are you? Do I need to drop the Larry
Speaker 1: David Lyne on you again? Yes, there are two types
Speaker 1: of people to wear sunglasses indoors, blind people in a
Speaker 1: holes and people sensitive to light. Well, that would fall
Speaker 1: under the first category. It's far enough blind though, but
Speaker 1: sensitive to site.
Speaker 2: I probably should use the the eye I Doctor version
Speaker 2: of our our insurance over here.
Speaker 1: Do we have that? I think so? You might want
Speaker 1: to check Dad, I do. I do think we do.
Speaker 1: I do, but I'd notice it.
Speaker 2: I know I'm only thirty, but I've noticed some good
Speaker 2: older with the eyes It's not like I had blind
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: I can't see anything.
Speaker 2: But sometimes you know, just reading the strain on you,
Speaker 2: it's it's getting there.
Speaker 1: Let's getting that time, so you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: I'm not judging just about prescription yet, just every time
Speaker 1: I see somebody wearing sunglasses and doors, it just reminds
Speaker 1: me of the Larry David line. Is this fair?
Speaker 3: Fair?
Speaker 1: All right? A lot to do. Our first guest the
Speaker 1: Knickxer interviewing Mike Andry Who that's hilarious? Who's Mike and
Speaker 1: Norrid He's the assistant coach from Minnesota that took over
Speaker 1: on Chris Finch like towards ACL. It's just that's wild,
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Speaker 1: Big news for the YU Cougars Today, BYU is security
Speaker 1: as highest ranked quarterback since two thousand and two. Rider
Speaker 1: Lions on the Pad McAfee show announced that he is
Speaker 1: headed to Provo. He chose BYU over Oregon and some
Speaker 1: other schools, but the final two were BYU and Oregon
Speaker 1: Riders sixty three two five Fulsoon California. He is ESPN's
Speaker 1: number five pocket passer in the twenty twenty six class
Speaker 1: and enter today as the nation's top ranked uncommitted quarterback.
Speaker 1: So he will be part of the twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: class later this year, but he will serve a mission
Speaker 1: after graduation and will not formally join BYU until the
Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty seven. That seems to indicate he's
Speaker 1: going to serve one of these fourteen month missions. I
Speaker 1: don't really know exactly how that works. That when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, it was two years period. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: changed for athletes. I honestly have no clue, But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be one of these guys that tells
Speaker 1: you I've been grinding tape on Rider. But I've learned
Speaker 1: a lot about him since the rumor started a surface
Speaker 1: that he could potentially land at BYU, so a bunch
Speaker 1: of visits It's this spring included stops at Michigan, Ohio State,
Speaker 1: Old Miss and then his finalists were BYU, Oregon, and USC,
Speaker 1: and then his brother actually plays at USC. He elected
Speaker 1: to not take his visit to USC, went up to Eugene,
Speaker 1: spent some time at Oregon, then came down a provo
Speaker 1: and visited BYU, and then today announcing that he will
Speaker 1: play his college football for Klonie Satake and Brigham Young
Speaker 1: starting in twenty twenty seven. So BYU has a recruiting
Speaker 1: class that's shaping up to potentially be a top twenty
Speaker 1: class from what I looked up earlier today. And of
Speaker 1: course there are different services that do this, whether it's
Speaker 1: ESPN or two four seven, This on three, this New
Speaker 1: on three website social media platform also is doing this.
Speaker 1: BYU's best class from what I saw was twenty ten
Speaker 1: and it was the thirtieth rand class in the country.
Speaker 1: This is shaping up to far surpass that maybe even
Speaker 1: be top twenty or higher. Ben Olsen was the highest
Speaker 1: ranked quarterback back in two thousand and two. That did
Speaker 1: not work out well. And of course we should pause
Speaker 1: to say for people that are anointing this kid or
Speaker 1: you know, youte fans that are worried highly ranked recruits,
Speaker 1: even recruits as highly ranked as this typically you know,
Speaker 1: are a dime a dozen. It really comes down to
Speaker 1: how they develop, how they settle in. I mean, Riter's
Speaker 1: got a mission in front of him. There's a lot
Speaker 1: that has to happen between now and then for him
Speaker 1: to be ready. Of course, there's always the narrative about,
Speaker 1: you know, when you take a mission for a year
Speaker 1: or two, fourteen months or twenty four, you enter the
Speaker 1: kind of prime of your life in college in a
Speaker 1: way that eighteen nineteen year old kids don't. And that's
Speaker 1: a debate that has been highly debated for a number
Speaker 1: of different years. But what is very very clear is
Speaker 1: the pedigree that this kid has is really, really special.
Speaker 1: He was the twenty twenty four California Gatorade Football Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, and he can do a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. He's a dual threat kid. He completed about
Speaker 1: sixty eight percent of his passes over thirty five your yards,
Speaker 1: thirty eight passing touchdowns, eight picks. First year as a
Speaker 1: starter in twenty twenty three. His sophomore stats were actually
Speaker 1: better than his junior stats the next year, over three
Speaker 1: thousand yards forty six touchdowns through the air. He also
Speaker 1: can run the football. He's combined for over fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: rushing yards thirty seven rushing scores across two seasons as
Speaker 1: a starter. So look in a vacuum this appears to
Speaker 1: be a big time get for Kilanie front of the show.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll try to get Kilanie and a Rod out
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Brock Harris is an in state
Speaker 1: tied end from Saint George, number thirty two recruit in
Speaker 1: the country. They've got a defensive tackle who was an
Speaker 1: Oregon flip, and a couple of other kids in this
Speaker 1: class at this point that again indicate BYU could lock
Speaker 1: in the top twenty football class for their twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six recruits. Now this is a that's the vacuum net
Speaker 1: net from today. Okay, the Macro thirty thousand foot view
Speaker 1: net net is what we've been talking about on this show.
Speaker 1: As I referenced as we kind of came into the
Speaker 1: show today, I don't want to ever be the radio
Speaker 1: host or sports media personality that takes victory laps for
Speaker 1: things that I got correct, because I get a lot
Speaker 1: of things wrong. And everyone in our business seems to
Speaker 1: just throw darts against the dart board and then they
Speaker 1: focus on the one that lands on the bulls eye
Speaker 1: and they just simply ignore the rest that don't even
Speaker 1: hit the board. But this has become very very clear
Speaker 1: for quite some time now, and it wasn't hard to
Speaker 1: see what BYU would be able to do once they
Speaker 1: were allowed to unlock their sizable resources. The LDS Church
Speaker 1: and the culture of the LDS Church, it's members. They
Speaker 1: understand the power of the purse, and they understand the
Speaker 1: power of tremendous resources when it comes to being able
Speaker 1: to capitalize on opportunities that are put in front of them.
Speaker 1: That's a dynamic of the religion, even though some people
Speaker 1: in the religion want to ignore it, because certain members
Speaker 1: of this culture don't like to acknowledge very uncomfortable truths.
Speaker 1: And when something like this happens, I just laugh when
Speaker 1: I hear these BYU goobs that call themselves media members
Speaker 1: to try to get in front of like, no, this
Speaker 1: is not about nil, this is not about money, This
Speaker 1: is about the BYU experience. This is about develop shut up,
Speaker 1: Like take your victory, lap Okay, Like just acknowledge what
Speaker 1: it is and don't tell me I'm not seeing what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing. Okay. This is about It can be about
Speaker 1: a number of different things, and certain you know, folk
Speaker 1: that are involved in that culture don't necessarily have the
Speaker 1: ability to hold a couple of thoughts in their head
Speaker 1: at the same time. This is about a football program
Speaker 1: under Kolonie Satake that has really grown over the past
Speaker 1: few years. With Jay Hill's defensive coordinator, our guy A
Speaker 1: Rod is the offensive coordinator. They go eleven to two
Speaker 1: and big twelve play last year and they have an
Speaker 1: excellent season and they have a great bowl win over
Speaker 1: Colorado in the Alamo Bowl. It was a really good
Speaker 1: year for Kilanie and that helps. Okay, It's also about
Speaker 1: the deep pocketed donors that provide the big nil checks
Speaker 1: that motivate these players to come play here, because that's
Speaker 1: part of the reality now. And there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: saying that out loud. When you cry about it and
Speaker 1: you deny and you deflect, you look like the moron. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll say what I've said. Take your victory, lab man.
Speaker 1: This is a big deal. This is like the aj
Speaker 1: Debanza equivalent for the football program, something like it. And
Speaker 1: when reputable college basketball media members, namely Jeff Goodman, come
Speaker 1: out with the knowledge that you're paying AJ debatsa seven
Speaker 1: million dollars for five months of basketball, or the reports
Speaker 1: including Scott Drew himself given an interview that you know,
Speaker 1: Baylor basketball thought they had locked in their future point
Speaker 1: guard least for this year for a couple million bucks,
Speaker 1: and he renigs on the deal to take over three
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars from BYU to play for them.
Speaker 1: Stop denying it, Stop lying about it. It's actually worse
Speaker 1: than denying. You are liars. You are lying. Okay, I
Speaker 1: have not seen an nil number for Rider, but guess
Speaker 1: what it will come out. And it's fine because that's
Speaker 1: the name of the game. The game has changed, and
Speaker 1: it's been changed now for a couple of years. And
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is the changing of the
Speaker 1: rules and the changing of the ecosystem is only positive
Speaker 1: for a place like BYU with tremendous resources and a
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of powerful donors and boosters and alumni that
Speaker 1: care about BYU athletics, that are clearly willing to open
Speaker 1: up their pockets and there's nothing wrong with that. I
Speaker 1: don't know why whenever announcements like this come down from BYU,
Speaker 1: when we hear a big time recruit has signed to
Speaker 1: play for them, the propaganda machine, the quote unquote media
Speaker 1: members that actually work for the school. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they get phone calls from the higher ups to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, we have to start lying about the
Speaker 1: money stuff. We have to deflect and pretend like we're
Speaker 1: actually not competing with NIL. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: receive messaging that they're supposed to further from their platform,
Speaker 1: but it's so beyond pathetic and lame, and again it's
Speaker 1: worse than denying. You are to people because this ecosystem
Speaker 1: and landscape is benefiting you, lean into it, lean into
Speaker 1: it and actually be authentic and don't be liars. Okay,
Speaker 1: So when the NIL figure comes out, it simply will
Speaker 1: be on par I'm not saying more or less because
Speaker 1: I know people get in their feel goods about this.
Speaker 1: It will simply be on par with what an Oregon
Speaker 1: could have paid or a USC could have paid. Because
Speaker 1: I can promise you if Oregon or USC doubled BYU's
Speaker 1: NIL number. Writer Lions would be in Eugene or southern California,
Speaker 1: not in provo. Let's be adults and grown ups about this. Okay,
Speaker 1: So last thing here, University of Utah had an innate
Speaker 1: advantage over Brigham Young University when it came to athletics
Speaker 1: for a decade. And it's very simple, and we can
Speaker 1: be very reductive and say Utah had a P five
Speaker 1: invite and they had P five access as members of
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, and BYU is independent, and throughout the
Speaker 1: course of that dynamic, Utah football specifically elevated themselves pass
Speaker 1: Bergham Young. There's the head to head, there's the overall record.
Speaker 1: It was essentially a generation of Utah football dominance. Okay,
Speaker 1: and it was because of a few different things, but
Speaker 1: the main advantage is Utah football had a PAC twelve invite.
Speaker 1: BYU football was wandering in the wilderness, we'll speak your
Speaker 1: language a little bit, as an independent with nobility to
Speaker 1: play for a conference championship, no innate scheduling abilities. So
Speaker 1: we saw like UMass in town and all these horrible programs,
Speaker 1: or once BYU lost one game, their season was essentially over.
Speaker 1: Right when BYU two tiered thing here, before we catch
Speaker 1: a break. When BYU received Big twelve access, you combine
Speaker 1: that with the changing landscape of collegiate athletics that allows
Speaker 1: powerful boosters to get involved with the power of the
Speaker 1: pocket and the power of the purse. Those two things
Speaker 1: have catapulted both BYU football and BYU basketball to a
Speaker 1: level that if you're a Utah fan, you should be worried,
Speaker 1: you should be concerned if you measure your programs employ
Speaker 1: against BYU. Right now, the shoes on the other foot,
Speaker 1: and this is another shot across the bow. Rider Lyons
Speaker 1: committing to BYU today is another shot across the bow
Speaker 1: up here in Salt Lake to the University of Utah
Speaker 1: to get their act together and get your things in order. So,
Speaker 1: if you're a youthe fan and you have the great
Speaker 1: fortune of owning a business that's done well, or if
Speaker 1: you have deep pockets or a few commas in your
Speaker 1: bank account, if you haven't contacted Mark Harlin and the
Speaker 1: Athletic Department to see how you can get involved with
Speaker 1: the Crimson Collective or whatever they're calling to these days,
Speaker 1: it's probably time to act if you want to keep up,
Speaker 1: because this is a situation where forty miles south of here.
Speaker 1: They're building juggernauts on the football field and the basketball court,
Speaker 1: and we'll see if Utah football and Utah basketball and
Speaker 1: Utah Athletics and the institution overall can keep up. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to change my opinion on this, So you know,
Speaker 1: I've told you in the past I have this weird thing.
Speaker 1: And Zach will appreciate this because you have some podcast
Speaker 1: called Tennefolk. My friends have always been fascinated when I
Speaker 1: latching onto like clearly horrible movies, because it's really interesting
Speaker 1: to me to watch something that's so bad and wonder
Speaker 1: how was actually made. Yeah, of course, I'm starting to
Speaker 1: feel that way about pit Bull and the bit we
Speaker 1: do is act. It's so bad, like it's there's nothing
Speaker 1: good about it, but it's so bad. I'm starting to
Speaker 1: kind of be fascinated with it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated how it is worldwide renowned, how it's real,
Speaker 2: period and yeah real, okay.
Speaker 1: Zach Harper, Tuesday afternoon, Hey buddy, how are we doing?
Speaker 3: Porn starts coming in and you don't get excited? Are
Speaker 3: you kidding me? No?
Speaker 1: I just explained, I explain that I'm starting to because
Speaker 1: it's like Pitbull to me is the dirty deeds of musicians.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to become fascinated with it.
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean he is mister worldwide. You point anywhere
Speaker 3: on a map, He's been there.
Speaker 1: How is how is Cinophobe? These days? It's been a
Speaker 1: minute since I've tapped in. How are we doing?
Speaker 3: It's great? I can't remember. Let me see what we've
Speaker 3: got coming up this week. We just had a good
Speaker 3: run of real I mean some real bad movies. We
Speaker 3: did like Stigmata, like, we did some we did some
Speaker 3: real weird stuff. Oh, I believe we've got a van
Speaker 3: damn movie coming up this week, not Where to Run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a brilliant idea for a podcast because truly,
Speaker 1: for years and years and years I would have roommates
Speaker 1: and the friends are like, why are you watching this?
Speaker 1: I'm like, cause it's fascinating. It's amazing to me, like
Speaker 1: how stuff like this actually gets made. So as a
Speaker 1: fan of really awful movies, like horribly good movies, it's
Speaker 1: really such a great idea. You guys came up with.
Speaker 3: Thank you, And I think what I love about it
Speaker 3: is because I'm with you, Because forever I would just
Speaker 3: watch horrible movies and just giggle to myself. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: you think about it, You're like, that's the best take
Speaker 3: they got for this. So then I start wondering what
Speaker 3: else happened in the shooting of this movie, And then
Speaker 3: for us, we do a little research and we get
Speaker 3: to joke about it, and then forever, you know, Amin
Speaker 3: al Hassan and I were just texting each other about
Speaker 3: bad movies we were watching, and then it probably took
Speaker 3: us way too long to figure out we should be
Speaker 3: doing a podcast about this, and thankfully, thankfully, people seem
Speaker 3: to like it all.
Speaker 1: Right, a lot to do. Zackson tun and I last spoke,
Speaker 1: I won't bear the lead because we have an NBA champ,
Speaker 1: a very deserving NBA champ. Oklahoma City was historical all
Speaker 1: year long with a great regular season. Took them seven
Speaker 1: games to get by the Pacers, but they did.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: My two part question is what does this championship say
Speaker 1: about where they are now and also where they could
Speaker 1: be for a number of years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean where they are now is I think
Speaker 3: you heard Sam Presti say it was like ahead of schedule, yep, right,
Speaker 3: he didn't expect them to be this good, this quick,
Speaker 3: and I think it's a testament to just the entire
Speaker 3: organization of how they run things, how they develop, how
Speaker 3: they go about it. It's almost too robotic. Like it
Speaker 3: almost seemed like they weren't enjoying winning the championship at times.
Speaker 3: But you know, people process things differently. It may not
Speaker 3: have hit them yet, but yeah, there was part of
Speaker 3: me that thought, did they think that there's still more
Speaker 3: games to happen? Because it seemed a little odd, you know,
Speaker 3: it felt like I kept waiting for it. You know,
Speaker 3: like if you're if you're at a you're at a
Speaker 3: restaurant and you have a salad and they're like, would
Speaker 3: you like some black pepper on there? You know, would
Speaker 3: you like and you're like, yeah, just you know, keep going,
Speaker 3: keep going. I was like, keep going with the celebration, Like,
Speaker 3: let's get some emotion here. Keep going with the emotion.
Speaker 3: I need you to. I need to just keep you know,
Speaker 3: grinding that emotion back onto this this salad of winning.
Speaker 3: But I didn't seem to didn't seem like that was
Speaker 3: happening enough. And so but it seems like they're in
Speaker 3: a good spot now. I mean at least for the
Speaker 3: next two years. I think they're in a good position
Speaker 3: just financially. I mean, this is the thing that that
Speaker 3: stinks about the the collective bargain agreeing with the second
Speaker 3: apron and I hate that we you know, you have
Speaker 3: to bring this up now with everything that looks into
Speaker 3: the future of a team. But you know, they've got
Speaker 3: big extensions coming to chet Holmgren and Jada of this
Speaker 3: this off season, which won't kick in until the season
Speaker 3: after next season, so that's when it gets real expensive.
Speaker 3: You know, they have a super Max deal going. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be like four years, three hundred million to shay
Speaker 3: that it will be this offseason that kicks in, you know,
Speaker 3: the same time. So they really have like a year
Speaker 3: maybe two years until they have to start making some
Speaker 3: tough decisions on guys like Hartenstein and lou Door and
Speaker 3: Alex Caruso and Aaron Wiggins and all these other dudes.
Speaker 3: Or maybe they have to make a decision on a
Speaker 3: chet Holmgun or someone like that. But the good news
Speaker 3: for them is they have all those draft picks. Right
Speaker 3: The reason they have all those draft picks is to
Speaker 3: be able to attach it to contracts or you know,
Speaker 3: bring in you know, cheap labor in terms of you know,
Speaker 3: cost control with rookie deals, and develop those guys to
Speaker 3: kind of bring you know, bring in some help. But
Speaker 3: you know that you normally wouldn't be able to do
Speaker 3: when you're that maxed out, and that that good. So
Speaker 3: they do have a plan. I just I don't know
Speaker 3: how long this lasts, because it never lasts as long
Speaker 3: as we think it's going to. And then in today's
Speaker 3: collective bargeting agreement, I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 3: that's going to look like.
Speaker 1: Championship parade, Oklahoma City, Caruso, shirtless, smashing Ultras. Check could
Speaker 1: barely form a sentence. What would Zach Harper's NBA Championship
Speaker 1: Aide forty eight hour window look like?
Speaker 3: Remember j R. Smith in twenty It would be exactly that. Okay,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be pretty.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, but I wouldn't blame you at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, celebrate, do your thing, all right. Let's move
Speaker 1: over here before we get to some other thoughts on
Speaker 1: the West. The net net of the Pacers entire situation,
Speaker 1: zac as what because you just have to I'm I
Speaker 1: am not a Pacer fan. I never will be. But
Speaker 1: holy smokes, nothing but respect for Rick Carlisle. That run
Speaker 1: going to seven games against that team when nobody even
Speaker 1: thought you were even gonna get out of the first
Speaker 1: or second round as a remarkable accomplishment. But layered in
Speaker 1: the question has to be the Achilles injury to Tyre Saliburton.
Speaker 1: What it means for this group moving forward. So the
Speaker 1: net net of the entire Pacer situations act sounds.
Speaker 3: Like what I mean, it's good, it's positive, It just
Speaker 3: stinks because I don't know, like you, next year's out right,
Speaker 3: Like he shouldn't play next year. I don't even know
Speaker 3: he'll be able to play next year because he injured
Speaker 3: it so deep into the into the postseason, obviously the
Speaker 3: Game seven of the NBA Finals, that you should consider
Speaker 3: him out for next year? Do you consider him fully
Speaker 3: back for the year after that? Doesn't this usually take
Speaker 3: about two years for guys to to really be back
Speaker 3: to form. So are you not punting on but are
Speaker 3: you kind of like taking the next two seasons out
Speaker 3: in terms of being able to really maximize what this
Speaker 3: team could be? And at that point, you know, what
Speaker 3: does the makeup look like? You have the same players?
Speaker 3: Are you cycling guys in and out. I think it
Speaker 3: makes the construction of this really difficult. You know, Rick
Speaker 3: Carlisle said the things you're supposed to say about you know,
Speaker 3: priority number one is getting Miles Turner back, and I
Speaker 3: think I think that's the right move. I think it's
Speaker 3: a good idea because you don't have a good replacement
Speaker 3: for him, But I don't know that he's the guy
Speaker 3: that you need long term. He didn't play great in
Speaker 3: the finals. He had moments, but he wasn't knocking down
Speaker 3: shots for a guy who's a shooter. He wasn't grabbing
Speaker 3: rebounds at all. He had times where he was defending
Speaker 3: the rim really well, but he also had times where
Speaker 3: you know, he was allowing layups left and right. So
Speaker 3: you know, they do have some roster construction things. But overall,
Speaker 3: I think the important thing was their ie identity and
Speaker 3: their team culture. And I know team culture is always
Speaker 3: such an overused thing, but it really worked with them,
Speaker 3: right Like they built this. They decided two years ago, Hey,
Speaker 3: we've got this guy, We're gonna build everything around him.
Speaker 3: We're gonna play this certain way and make life miserable
Speaker 3: for everybody else. And it worked. It really really worked,
Speaker 3: and I think it'll work again. You just got to
Speaker 3: get that guy back to full health.
Speaker 1: So as a result of the Durant trade, and I
Speaker 1: certainly am interested in your thoughts on that, that combined with,
Speaker 1: of course, the litany of injuries the teams will have
Speaker 1: to deal with, But we'll focus on the Western Conference
Speaker 1: for a moment. Oklahoma City an overwhelming favorite in Vegas,
Speaker 1: not just to win the West, but win the championship
Speaker 1: next year. But according to Vegas, the two teams that
Speaker 1: it actually that's not even the right way to put it.
Speaker 1: According to Vegas, it's Oklahoma City and then a large gap,
Speaker 1: but the two teams that are the closest are Houston
Speaker 1: and Minnesota. Do you concur with that and would you
Speaker 1: put any other teams in the West that actually do
Speaker 1: exist in Oklahoma City's cul de sac?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably right. You know, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, Houston was already really really good and really intriguing.
Speaker 3: You add Kevin Durant to the mix. I assume it's
Speaker 3: going to be a good fit because I do think
Speaker 3: you can just kind of plug and play him anywhere
Speaker 3: you've got to. You gotta make sure he's happy right.
Speaker 3: It's sure that he doesn't he doesn't get towered on
Speaker 3: the situation, but I think he fits with what they
Speaker 3: want to do and what they need Defensively, They're going
Speaker 3: to have an identity whether he's on the floor or not.
Speaker 3: So if he misses some games, I don't think it's
Speaker 3: a big deal. They still need more scoring in the
Speaker 3: back court. I think they need a little bit more
Speaker 3: reliability with scoring and shooting in the back court. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if that happens by a trade. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that happens by a development. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that happens by by signing a role player
Speaker 3: who can step in. But they they they're not complete here.
Speaker 3: They need that, but they're also going to have you know,
Speaker 3: Aman Thompson is becoming a monster on the court. I
Speaker 3: think that that postseason, as brief as it was, was
Speaker 3: very important for him. So I think they're in a
Speaker 3: great position Minnesota. It's going to be interesting to just
Speaker 3: how do they pivot from what they were. They built
Speaker 3: that team to beat Denver, and they beat Denver and
Speaker 3: then OKC emerged as the new monster, and clearly that
Speaker 3: makeup doesn't exactly work. I also think that series was
Speaker 3: closer than the five games that it was. I think
Speaker 3: Game one was a lot more competitive than people think
Speaker 3: it was. And I think, you know, Game four was
Speaker 3: right there for the taking. And if they win Game
Speaker 3: four and it's two to two, we've seen, you know,
Speaker 3: you can put pressure on OKAC. Denver did it, Indiana
Speaker 3: did it, And what does that look like for Minnesota.
Speaker 3: They need more help in the backcourt or at least
Speaker 3: on the perimeter for initiating offense for Anthony Edwards. I
Speaker 3: don't know how much flexibility they're going to have to
Speaker 3: make that happen, but I do think those are the
Speaker 3: two best teams outside of OKC in the West.
Speaker 1: Now the East gets very interesting. The Knicks interviewed Mike
Speaker 1: and Norri today or this week, so you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens there respect to coach Nori long time
Speaker 1: as assistant. Number of different stops in the NBA filled
Speaker 1: in for you know what, I'm not breaking it down
Speaker 1: anymore anyway. We'll see who they land on. But when
Speaker 1: it comes when it comes to this, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've heard gap year. Tom Haberstrow's used gap year for Boston.
Speaker 1: They trade Drew Holliday to Portland. Of course, the injury
Speaker 1: to Dame, so Milwaukee's compromised, and then obviously Halliburton's injury.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know those teams will stay competitive, but
Speaker 1: I suppose Zach and We'll lean into the odds again.
Speaker 1: Out East, it is Cleveland, New York, and then Orlando
Speaker 1: who acquires Desmond Bane With these players hurt and compromised,
Speaker 1: what do you think happens in the Eastern Conference next year?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would put the Knicks as the favorite,
Speaker 3: or at least my favorite. We got to see what
Speaker 3: does happen with the coaching situations. I don't think just
Speaker 3: any coach is going to be a good higher I
Speaker 3: do like Mike Nory. We could break that down if
Speaker 3: you want, but I do like him quite a bit,
Speaker 3: so I think I think that would be a good option.
Speaker 3: But you also just never know if if guys are
Speaker 3: going to embrace the new coach. So you know, they
Speaker 3: were right there and I think that they're not that
Speaker 3: far off. I think they need a couple of bench pieces.
Speaker 3: I don't think the issue was Tom Thibodau not playing
Speaker 3: the bench. I don't think he had much of a
Speaker 3: bench to play. Right, So I think it's kind of
Speaker 3: compounded on those two issues on top of each other.
Speaker 3: So I don't really believe in Cleveland after these last
Speaker 3: three postseasons. I think that they've got to prove that,
Speaker 3: you know, they've got the mental makeup. I know they've
Speaker 3: got the talent, but I think they've got to prove
Speaker 3: they have the mental makeup before I start buying them
Speaker 3: as a team that will will break through. Even though
Speaker 3: they had sixty four wins and look great in the
Speaker 3: regular season. Orlando, obviously, as you mentioned, is super interesting.
Speaker 3: I want to see what Detroit does. I think Detroit's
Speaker 3: got a great opportunity to make us splash this offseason,
Speaker 3: whether that's grabbing more help for Cad on the perimeter,
Speaker 3: whether it's grabbing another dynamic big man inside to either
Speaker 3: replace Dura or help Duran, or if that's a four
Speaker 3: who can stretch things out. If they can grab some
Speaker 3: more offense in there, I think Detroit could be another
Speaker 3: one of those teams that really surprises everybody. If Orlando
Speaker 3: is healthy, and maybe if they grab one more shooter
Speaker 3: or one more point guard who can really distribute, I
Speaker 3: think there'll be a massive problem in the Eastern Conference
Speaker 3: and maybe they're that team that pulls an Indiana this year.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see here. Before we move over to
Speaker 1: the draft stuff, let me just ask you a general
Speaker 1: question about if you're hearing anything concerning the Jazz getting
Speaker 1: involved in any of these transactions. We have Drew Holliday
Speaker 1: to the Blazers, of course, Durant to the Rockets. CJ. McCollum.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he woke up to a text he was
Speaker 1: pumped about. He's a wizard, and Jordan Poole will take
Speaker 1: his talents down to New Orleans. Austin Ahs introductory press
Speaker 1: conference made some pretty bold statements. The Jazz have not
Speaker 1: been involved in any of these transactions yet. We'll finish
Speaker 1: with some draft But before we get there, are you
Speaker 1: hearing anything regarding the team that plays just a few
Speaker 1: miles from where we're broadcasting the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 3: Nothing specific in terms of the Jazz, but I have
Speaker 3: heard that these deals are not complete right, that other
Speaker 3: teams will likely get involved in teams with some flexibility,
Speaker 3: some cap flexibility, cap space, So that is a team
Speaker 3: like the Jazz. I would assume that they're trying to
Speaker 3: get involved, whether it means grabbing a draft pick, a
Speaker 3: second round pick, a player, whatever that, whatever that entails.
Speaker 3: But I do think that these deals as reported are
Speaker 3: are not going to be exactly what they appear to
Speaker 3: be in the headlines. I think it's gonna get a
Speaker 3: little bit more complicated because of this collective bargaining agreement
Speaker 3: and just the machinations that these deals have to go through.
Speaker 3: So nothing specific on the Jazz, but from the way
Speaker 3: it sounds behind the scenes, it would not shock me
Speaker 3: if they're involved in any or all of these trades.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move over the draft. Zach does a
Speaker 1: mock draft for the Athletic Yeah, it does a lot
Speaker 1: on these prospects. So I'm gonna start with a general
Speaker 1: question about the Jazz at five and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1: Here's how I phrase it. Best case, realistic scenario for
Speaker 1: the Jazz to walk away with the prospect at five.
Speaker 1: Who would you say that is as of now?
Speaker 3: Ooh, I mean, I'm probably highest on Trey Johnson for
Speaker 3: like the realistic scenarios there. I love Trey Johnson. I
Speaker 3: think he's a dynamic scoring guard. If I think he's
Speaker 3: a great just classic two guard, great footwork, has a
Speaker 3: great shot good size. I think he will be someone,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe we gotta see something defensively from him.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was a Texas thing. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a Hymn thing, but I think
Speaker 3: he would just grab he would. He would add so
Speaker 3: much great scoring to them a year or two from now.
Speaker 3: And he's fun. He's a really fun guy. The next
Speaker 3: guy after that would probably be Jeremiah Fears. Like, I know,
Speaker 3: we've done the counter George thing, We've done that Isa
Speaker 3: Collier thing. I think he's legit. I think Fears is
Speaker 3: a guy that everyone seems to be raving about him.
Speaker 3: He's super young for even a draft prospect as a freshman,
Speaker 3: and he is a just absolute monster in the pick
Speaker 3: and roll. Like, I think he is a guy that
Speaker 3: I wouldn't look at the shooting percentages. I would look
Speaker 3: at the film with him. I think he's going to
Speaker 3: really shine at the NBA level.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the Ace Bailey stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I keep reminding people he's an eighteen year old kid.
Speaker 1: He's not making these decisions. Certainly his reps, his agent
Speaker 1: and the stuff I've read about his agent. I'll say, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's just learning on the job, okay, But typically if
Speaker 1: you're going to cancel every workout you're offered, you have
Speaker 1: a promise. But when I heard he canceled Philly at three,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, dude, he didn't get a promise at
Speaker 1: one or two. So like, ultimately, what do you make
Speaker 1: of this noise? What's the motivation for Ace's camp to
Speaker 1: roll this way? And what do you think it means
Speaker 1: for his status tomorrow night?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing you hear is that he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to maybe be in Philly, but even that's murky, and
Speaker 3: that he doesn't want to, you know, do the whole
Speaker 3: like one on on none workout because that doesn't really
Speaker 3: show anything, which I get. But also like you're not
Speaker 3: going to go play five on five out there either,
Speaker 3: because why why would you if you're potentially the number
Speaker 3: three pick? Like it just in how workouts go in
Speaker 3: today's world, that's not how that really goes. And and
Speaker 3: then like, you know, baby, maybe is just trying to
Speaker 3: get away from you know, teams that are not so
Speaker 3: east coast except Philly's east coast right and Washington's east coast,
Speaker 3: And so I don't know, I don't I genuinely don't
Speaker 3: know what he's doing other than and not he like
Speaker 3: like you said, it's his agent, like disrupting the draft process.
Speaker 3: I'm for it in terms of adding a little chaos,
Speaker 3: because I do think the draft process can be a
Speaker 3: little dumb. But if you don't have that, if you
Speaker 3: don't have that promise and you are willing to go
Speaker 3: through the potential embarrassment of falling on draft night, it's fine.
Speaker 3: You could use that to your motivation. You can use
Speaker 3: that down the road. But it is a risk, right,
Speaker 3: Like it is a risk, like I don't think Charlotte's
Speaker 3: gonna take him. I don't think Utah is gonna take him.
Speaker 3: You know, I think Washington is super interested. I think
Speaker 3: Brooklyn would love to have him, and maybe that's the
Speaker 3: goals for him to fall down to one of those teams.
Speaker 3: But I don't fully understand what's going on with him
Speaker 3: in his camp.
Speaker 1: Feels like most of the noise around Philly as they've
Speaker 1: landed on Edge comb at three. Let me ask you this, though,
Speaker 1: if there's a like maybe Philly is zigging and maybe
Speaker 1: they just take ace like everybody thought they were going
Speaker 1: to for like a year. If Edge column and Trey
Speaker 1: Johnson are there at five. Who do you think Josh
Speaker 1: should taken away?
Speaker 3: Oh, Edgecombe. I don't think Edgecomb would get passed Charlotte
Speaker 3: at four, but I do think Edgecomb is the guy
Speaker 3: to take there. I mean everything I've heard from people
Speaker 3: around him and around the part, they're like, he almost
Speaker 3: was too good of a teammate last year and didn't
Speaker 3: take over at times. And it's not that he couldn't.
Speaker 3: He was just trying to make sure everyone was involved.
Speaker 3: Everyone had to go with it. And he's got way
Speaker 3: more to his game than what he even showed, and
Speaker 3: on both ends of the floor. And I think that
Speaker 3: is you know, yeah, he's only six four and you
Speaker 3: like a little bit more hype, but his arms are long,
Speaker 3: he's crazy athletic. He's got a good shot, he's got
Speaker 3: good passing ability, he's got good defensive instincts. I think
Speaker 3: he's someone that we're going to see him like two
Speaker 3: months into his rookie year and wonder why didn't we
Speaker 3: see any of this at Baylor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. He played here against BYU down
Speaker 1: in Provo, had a really really good game. So Richard Smith,
Speaker 1: who's a consistent guest on the show and was with
Speaker 1: the Jazz for forty years. He'll be on our Draft
Speaker 1: night coverage tomorrow. Seems to be pretty enamored with the
Speaker 1: Malowatch Kid out of Duke. Now the Jazz have a
Speaker 1: big and Walker Kessler that they like an awful lot.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of rumors that maybe they're
Speaker 1: going to try to reset the clock based off the
Speaker 1: fact that they're miles away from anybody, not even close
Speaker 1: to being even kind of decent. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: any sense to maybe taking the Malawatch Kid at five
Speaker 1: and kicking the tires on Kessler, then resetting the clock
Speaker 1: to kind of go back to the beginning after a
Speaker 1: four year, very clunky, somewhat embarrassing attempted to rebuild.
Speaker 3: I think it makes a lot of sense just but
Speaker 3: I'm also super high on Malwatch, Like I think he
Speaker 3: is one of the best prospects in the draft, and
Speaker 3: he is someone I would I would risk, you know,
Speaker 3: a higher pick on. I've seen some people say maybe
Speaker 3: second half of the lottery, you know, maybe maybe more
Speaker 3: towards the six to ten range, And I get it,
Speaker 3: get that he hasn't played that long and there are
Speaker 3: some things you maybe worry about in terms of skill
Speaker 3: development here and there. I think it's touch in his
Speaker 3: instincts for a guy who's only played basketball for a
Speaker 3: couple of years, are just incredible. His size, you obviously
Speaker 3: can't teach that. And you know, it's not that Walker
Speaker 3: Kessler isn't good. He's really good. He's going to be
Speaker 3: a very good, you know, center for a lot, starting
Speaker 3: center for a long time in the NBA. But and
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is a proper comp but
Speaker 3: you know, it might be the difference between having an
Speaker 3: all star, perennial all star center in maliwatch if he
Speaker 3: can develop into that versus like having Yaka Purtle as
Speaker 3: your center for ten years. Which not a problem to
Speaker 3: have Yaka Purtle as your center for ten years. He's
Speaker 3: really good. You can win a lot of games with him.
Speaker 3: But I do think the potential if you're looking to
Speaker 3: hit home runs and find that guy in the rebuilding process,
Speaker 3: I would almost rather risk it with Maluwatch. But I'm
Speaker 3: also again super high on him.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about one more prospect before I
Speaker 1: say you lose, Because it seems like everywhere I look
Speaker 1: and everybody I read konk Nipple has been and really
Speaker 1: rising up draft boards. I think Gavoni's laid a sas
Speaker 1: him off the board at four to Charlotte. A lot
Speaker 1: of people of shamis. If he's there at five, the
Speaker 1: Jazz would look at him. I'm undecided on this. The
Speaker 1: measurables aren't great, but he really guards and of course
Speaker 1: he can shoot it. What sort of NBA player do
Speaker 1: you think Kan Kinnippa would make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I keep hearing like the Luke Canard
Speaker 3: comparison because of like white duke shooting guard right, and
Speaker 3: it makes sense. He is a he's a really good passer.
Speaker 3: He can I mean he can shoot with a guy
Speaker 3: in his face, right. I think that's the important thing
Speaker 3: is is it's not just oh he'll knock down open shots,
Speaker 3: like he was a great shooter this last year when
Speaker 3: guys were right up on him, and so that's an
Speaker 3: important skill to have as well. To me, the my
Speaker 3: issue with him is whenever I saw him play, he
Speaker 3: looked like someone who was like six one sixty two
Speaker 3: with the way he played and that and not like
Speaker 3: in a good like oh he's so shifty kind of
Speaker 3: way in like why isn't this guy playing like he's
Speaker 3: sixty sixty sixty seven? You know, I think for me
Speaker 3: that's that's my worry with him is that he is
Speaker 3: going to be physically overmatched at the NBA level, and
Speaker 3: I don't want to see, you know, I just I
Speaker 3: wouldn't take him in the top five. To me, I
Speaker 3: think he's going to be a good pro. I just
Speaker 3: think there's a lot more potential with guys like Fears,
Speaker 3: guys like Trey Johnson, guys like Maley Watch like though.
Speaker 3: I would rather risk it with them rather than go
Speaker 3: with ka Nipple that high in the draft.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, appreciate the time should be a fun week.
Speaker 1: Draft of Week's always fun. So you have a good one. Well,
Speaker 1: chat soon, thanks, Ach.
Speaker 3: Are you coming? Are you coming to the Summer League
Speaker 3: in Vegas? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We're debating and discussing, but you need to come to
Speaker 1: Salt Lake Summer leauecause that's where the real party is.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll go there, but you got to come to
Speaker 3: at least the first weekend in Vegas.
Speaker 1: All right, If you come here, I'll go to Vegas,
Speaker 1: all right, deal, deal there he is Zach Harper from
Speaker 1: the Athletic. I always appreciate his time. He joins us
Speaker 1: on a very consistent basis. He writes power rankings weekly
Speaker 1: for the Athletic. He does mock drafts as well. We're
Speaker 1: talking about as podcast info, but it's a very fun listen.
Speaker 1: If you never checked it out, I would encourage you
Speaker 1: to do so. At Top Hoops is where you find him.
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Speaker 1: it is a Tuesday, even in June. That means it's
Speaker 1: time for our weekly hit with the great Tim McMahon. Timmy,
Speaker 1: I know you're a jam Paxel. Let's get right to it.
Speaker 1: Since you and I last spoke, we have a deserving
Speaker 1: NBA champ. How do you add color and context and
Speaker 1: not just the finals run, but the entire season that
Speaker 1: we just saw from Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6: Listen for Shake Gildes Alexander. I mean, we just witnessed
Speaker 6: one of the great individual all around seasons in NBA history.
Speaker 6: I mean, you punch up his numbers, scoring champ uh,
Speaker 6: you know, regular season, MVP, Finals, MVP, complete brilliance for
Speaker 6: a guy just entering his prime. And then, like the
Speaker 6: question of Oklahoma City, now that they've gotten one, is
Speaker 6: how many they've got a chance? You know, you got
Speaker 6: to put a couple together before you start throwing dynasty
Speaker 6: around too much. But they've got that kind of potential
Speaker 6: when you look at they've got one guy and they're
Speaker 6: in their regular rotation who you could say is deep
Speaker 6: into his prime. The rest of them are either just
Speaker 6: starting it or not even approaching it. This is going
Speaker 6: to be a force to be reckoned with for a
Speaker 6: long long time to come. Certainly the team that everybody
Speaker 6: in the NBA is going to be chasing for the
Speaker 6: next few years.
Speaker 1: So who out this way out West exists now with them?
Speaker 1: The Vegas Odds basically says, well, it says Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: is the massive favorite, but if there are two teams
Speaker 1: that can actually maybe make them uncomfortable, according to Vegas,
Speaker 1: it's Houston with Durant and Minnesota, do you think those
Speaker 1: are the two teams that Oklahoma City needs to worry
Speaker 1: about or they're just going to kind of do their thing.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I.
Speaker 6: Don't make Oklahoma City iss gon't necessarily worry about anybody.
Speaker 6: I would say Denver is the team in the Western
Speaker 6: Conference that pushed them to the brink, that pushed them
Speaker 6: to seven games. Denver is the one that as a
Speaker 6: player that you can make a real serious argument that
Speaker 6: is even a more dominant force than Shake Gilds Alexander.
Speaker 6: So I think you've got to include the Nuggets in
Speaker 6: that conversation. Also, you know, Denver's the last team other
Speaker 6: than okay See in the West to win a championship.
Speaker 6: And you know, the Rockets I think are going to
Speaker 6: be I don't know, we can play with the semantics
Speaker 6: of contender, but man, the Rockets were a number two
Speaker 6: seed that, in my opinion, were a go to guy
Speaker 6: away from being a real threat, and they just were
Speaker 6: not traded for Kevin Durant without giving up anything that
Speaker 6: I would consider to be an essential part of their
Speaker 6: long term future.
Speaker 1: True, So the Pacers net net of this, tim sounds
Speaker 1: like what an incredible run to the Game seven of
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, a horrible, horrible ending with Haliburton coming
Speaker 1: out knocking down three threes and then doing the Achilles. So,
Speaker 1: as somebody you witnessed this run, what's the takeaway from
Speaker 1: Indiana side.
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe the most impressive playoff run, not the
Speaker 6: end of the championship ever, certainly in recent memory. When
Speaker 6: you talk about all the upsets they pulled off, all
Speaker 6: the miraculous comebacks, the unbelievable clutch run that Tyry Halliburton,
Speaker 6: and it didn't look man like, don't I don't believe
Speaker 6: in basketball? God, that's that because for him to have
Speaker 6: that kind of clutch run, to be getting it out
Speaker 6: in a game seven, to get off to that kind
Speaker 6: of a start in a game seven, and then to
Speaker 6: get hurt in that fashion, like, man, what a tragic ending,
Speaker 6: What a terrible way for that run to end. And
Speaker 6: unfortunately he probably doesn't play next year. You know, it's
Speaker 6: probably now a gap year for the Pacers, and what
Speaker 6: a what a tough playoffs for Eastern Conference stars, you know,
Speaker 6: Damian Lillard, Jason Tatum, Tyree's Halbert all out most if
Speaker 6: not all. Next year, we're covering from Achilles, and you know,
Speaker 6: the East is wide open, and I know, like there's
Speaker 6: there's guys. There are stars in the Western Conference and
Speaker 6: maybe aren't feeling like they're in a long term fit
Speaker 6: right now that are looking east and saying maybe we
Speaker 6: should be trying to get there because it's a lot
Speaker 6: easier out east than it is west.
Speaker 1: Right now, Vegas likes Cleveland and New York and then
Speaker 1: Orlando is trailing a little bit behind. Would you agree
Speaker 1: with that assertion based off the lidney of injuries you
Speaker 1: just referenced.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I really like the Desinvain trade for Orlando.
Speaker 6: You know, he's never been an All Star. I would
Speaker 6: say the odds of him being an All Star now
Speaker 6: are a heck of a lot better now that he's
Speaker 6: in the Eastern Conference. That's another reason maybe find some
Speaker 6: stars that are that are looking that way and wondering
Speaker 6: if that's a place that they want to be. But
Speaker 6: I think that they really needed obviously shooting and another
Speaker 6: guy who can create some offensively. I think he's going
Speaker 6: to be a really, really good fit and they you know,
Speaker 6: that was also a sign for Memphis that hey, they
Speaker 6: they're not close to contending in the Western Conference, and
Speaker 6: there's a step back type of trade to kind of reload,
Speaker 6: certainly get some some draft amo and you know, see
Speaker 6: what they can try to do around John Morant and
Speaker 6: Jaron Jackson Jr.
Speaker 1: Let me go back to the Durant deal, Tim, since
Speaker 1: I've been able to talk to you, do you think
Speaker 1: Phoenix got enough? Do you like it from both sides?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's one winner in this situation?
Speaker 6: No, there's one winner. You know, Phoenix wasn't going to
Speaker 6: get enough though, because of the circumstances. Sure, Kevin Durant
Speaker 6: had a year left on his contract and he was
Speaker 6: going to have control and he was not going to
Speaker 6: you know, he was like they could have gotten more
Speaker 6: from Minnesota if Kat would have been willing to go there.
Speaker 6: He wasn't. He didn't want to go there. So the
Speaker 6: jim Wolves weren't going to trade for guy who didn't
Speaker 6: want to be there. And you know, like the Sons
Speaker 6: took the deal that they had to take if they're
Speaker 6: going to get a deal done for the draft. But
Speaker 6: the Rockets weren't going to boost that offers. They weren't
Speaker 6: going to give up a tarrees or certainly they don't
Speaker 6: even ask about him in Compton. They weren't willing to
Speaker 6: give up to Barison Junior reach Shepherd. They were only
Speaker 6: willing to do a pick, not multiple picks, and certainly
Speaker 6: not multiple of the Son's old picks. And the Spurs
Speaker 6: weren't even ditagressive and neither were they heat So they
Speaker 6: took the office they had to take. But man, they're
Speaker 6: a long way from paying off the trade that they
Speaker 6: made to get KD. And by the way, the team
Speaker 6: that has the most facets left over from that it
Speaker 6: was the freaking Houston Rockets, I mean the right. It's
Speaker 6: funny Tillman Fatita learn some tough lessons early on the
Speaker 6: Chris Paul Trey was a disaster, right, but he learned
Speaker 6: his lessons and they went through painful rebuild and they've
Speaker 6: been very, very patient since then. It's a poll offster
Speaker 6: approach what Matt Ishbey has done, and the Rockets are
Speaker 6: benefiting from their approach, and they're also benefiting from the
Speaker 6: Sun's approach.
Speaker 1: We've seen well, I guess with a Bain transaction, we've
Speaker 1: now seen four pretty sizable deals coupled today. CJ. McCollum
Speaker 1: is a wizard interesting situation there, Jordan Poole will take
Speaker 1: his talents and some other pieces involved too. Reference Baine reference.
Speaker 1: Durant also Drew Holliday as a Blazer, the Jazz not
Speaker 1: involved him. I know, we only have a few minutes left,
Speaker 1: so let's hone in on the local stuff. Are you
Speaker 1: hearing anything since you I last spoke about what this
Speaker 1: offseason could look like for the Utah Jazz?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, listen, the Jazz aren't going to tank
Speaker 6: according to O's names, but that doesn't mean they're going
Speaker 6: to make win now trade. How foolish would it be
Speaker 6: for them to be making big splashy Oh, let's win
Speaker 6: right now.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: You're not going to win now. They're going to have
Speaker 6: another tough view next years. They understand that. So, you know,
Speaker 6: I firmly believe if the Jazz are going to be
Speaker 6: making trades around the draft or you know, in into
Speaker 6: the early stages of the off season, they will be
Speaker 6: operating as sellers. Will it be John Collins, Colin Sexton,
Speaker 6: Jordan Clarkson. I don't think it'll be Walker Kess, so
Speaker 6: that that that would surprise me. But again, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't think they're in a position where anything but
Speaker 6: patience makes sense for them.
Speaker 1: All right, final thing, Uh, tomorrow night NBA drafts. According
Speaker 1: to what you're hearing, do you think we'll see a
Speaker 1: lot of movement? Do you think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a fun, dramatic night or do you think it's going
Speaker 1: to kind of be status quo.
Speaker 6: No, I think there's gonna be a lot of movement,
Speaker 6: and like it's already started.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: You mentioned the Drew Holiday deal, uh, sending him to Portland,
Speaker 6: which you know that's an interesting one. Uh. You know
Speaker 6: you mentioned the McCallum pool trade today. Obviously the KD
Speaker 6: deal is already done, but the draft is a trade
Speaker 6: that'll of sorts because if you're going to trade the
Speaker 6: draft things, you want to be able to make your
Speaker 6: own pick. And so I anticipate that it's going to
Speaker 6: be a very busy eating tomorrow and in the second round.
Speaker 1: All Right, buddy, appreciate the time we'll set you loosen,
Speaker 1: we'll chat soon.
Speaker 6: Okay, appreciate your brother.
Speaker 1: All right. Tim McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN covers
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz more intensely when the Jazz are interesting.
Speaker 1: NBA draft coming up tomorrow we will have covered for
Speaker 1: you right after we say good night at six o'clock
Speaker 1: on the program. The Jazz are at five. They're also
Speaker 1: at twenty one, and you know, all the interesting thing
Speaker 1: about the Jazz is all of these mocks are different. Now,
Speaker 1: I like Veassini from The Athletic, Cavoni from ESPN. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of other writers that do a really
Speaker 1: good job. Cavoni's latest is Jeremiah Fears to the Jazz
Speaker 1: at five. Now, we had Zach Harper on earlier. He
Speaker 1: very much likes Jeremiah Fears. And this is probably not
Speaker 1: a fair thing to do, but whenever something works at
Speaker 1: a high level, the way this stuff goes down, like
Speaker 1: teams will try to copy what Sam Presty has done,
Speaker 1: and teams will try to replicate what the Boston Celtics
Speaker 1: have built. Obviously didn't work this year, but they won
Speaker 1: an NBA championship. They went to like five conference finals
Speaker 1: and two championship series and one to one. And I
Speaker 1: can't help but look at the size and the lank
Speaker 1: and the athleticism of the teams that are top shelf
Speaker 1: from pro basketball. Right now, Jeremy Fears is six to two.
Speaker 1: Keyante's like six three Isaiah six to two, Like, I
Speaker 1: just don't know if building a roster full of guards
Speaker 1: that are small is a formula for winning basketball in
Speaker 1: the modern day and age of the NBA. When you
Speaker 1: look at the Oklahoma City Thunder, the team that just
Speaker 1: won the NBA Championship, and again I want to acknowledge
Speaker 1: how unfair this is because Oklahoma City is historic and
Speaker 1: we probably should have been more adamant about understanding that
Speaker 1: early on. And even Indiana fits the bill like this
Speaker 1: a little bit. Boston fully healthy, certainly does. And then
Speaker 1: there are unicorns like a Steph Curry who's six three,
Speaker 1: but he's just Steph. It's just different because he's so
Speaker 1: elite what he does. But you look at Alex Crusoe
Speaker 1: sixty five, Lou Dort six', Five shay is six to. Six,
Speaker 1: Obviously hart And shine And shad are seven. Footers you
Speaker 1: keep going down the. List Cason wallace is sixty, three
Speaker 1: plays like he's sixty, Six Aaron wiggins is sixty, Five
Speaker 1: Jalen williams is sixty, Six Kenrick williams of six,', eight
Speaker 1: like you just simply have to, have big lengthy wings
Speaker 1: that can guard multiple positions and also not be. Liabilities
Speaker 1: offensively you know the era of like a one sided
Speaker 1: player Like A bruce bowen For. The spurs back in,
Speaker 1: the day there was mostly a Defensive star wars who
Speaker 1: can knock down some. Corner three, he's like. That's done
Speaker 1: and so if you're marching out against a team who's
Speaker 1: average height in their starting lineup is like six five
Speaker 1: sixty six and you have two players that are under
Speaker 1: six three and your first guard off the bench is six,
Speaker 1: to two unless all three of those players are, ultra
Speaker 1: special just think you're up. Against it so we'll see
Speaker 1: What the as do. Tomorrow night there are a bunch
Speaker 1: of different mocks that indicate different directions. Are Possible kN
Speaker 1: ker nipple is a name that has risen up. Draft
Speaker 1: boards cavoni has him at four To The. Charlotte hornets
Speaker 1: it feels like the intrigue does start. At four the first,
Speaker 1: three picks according to most people, you know feel like
Speaker 1: they're kind of. Dialed in, Of course dallas will Land
Speaker 1: on Cooper Flag sham scharane reported Today That san antonio
Speaker 1: has just decided that they're Going With. Dylan harper and
Speaker 1: actually he Mentioned The oklahoma city Model Because san antonio
Speaker 1: of course has the Raigning and rookie Of the Year In,
Speaker 1: stefan castle and then Of course Victor woman yama is
Speaker 1: the cornerstone everything. They do they also traded For. DARN
Speaker 1: fox i Don't Think chris paul is gonna be on. The,
Speaker 1: roster so, you know the redundancy term IN the nba
Speaker 1: might be something that we need to do, away with
Speaker 1: because is there Redundancy between Shay?
Speaker 3: And?
Speaker 1: Jada like is there redundancy between those? Two players are
Speaker 1: they just two players that are built similarly and are
Speaker 1: both awesome and you just want as many players. As possible,
Speaker 1: you know one of the SILLIEST things i can remember
Speaker 1: when people were Discussing The boston celtics prior to them
Speaker 1: actually winning a championship Is Can Jalen Can jalen Brown
Speaker 1: And jason tatum? Play together is there too much redundancy
Speaker 1: between those two because they're, built similarly they both have similar.
Speaker 1: Skill sets you just want as, many, big long rangy
Speaker 1: athletic players that you can possibly get that of course
Speaker 1: has complete skill sets that can develop in. Your system
Speaker 1: So san Antonio Adds dylan harper to a roster that
Speaker 1: is already young and exciting and talented and will be
Speaker 1: good for a long. Long time so it feels like
Speaker 1: that's kind of. The deal and then all the intel
Speaker 1: as a result of the weird situation With, as bailey
Speaker 1: who just won't work out, for anybody whether or not
Speaker 1: he has. A promise i think that's something we're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait to. Find out tomorrow night Is
Speaker 1: that philly has LANDED on vj edgecome, Of three so
Speaker 1: it feels like, tomorrow night and, again reminder we Will
Speaker 1: Have draft knight coverage for you both round one and.
Speaker 1: Round Two the jazz have two second. Round, picks now
Speaker 1: If the jazz trade both second round picks, tomorrow night
Speaker 1: maybe we'll recalibrate about our night. To coverage but, tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Night Myself, Gordy Chaser, Richard smith i'll be anchoring our
Speaker 1: coverage and then for, Round two gordy's gonna take the.
Speaker 1: Night off it'll just be Me, and smitty so we'll
Speaker 1: kind of see how this. Goes down so, a reminder
Speaker 1: after we see a good night tomorrow at six they
Speaker 1: tuned for our live coverage IN The, Nba draft but
Speaker 1: after three is where it's getting where it gets, Interesting,
Speaker 1: now Charlotte As zach harper, said earlier doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: they've gone all in on the same sort of Rebuild
Speaker 1: that Utah and. Washington have basically those two teams who
Speaker 1: are very front facing and obvious about their motivations a
Speaker 1: year ago to lose games on purpose for the name of.
Speaker 1: Draft capital it's a, painful. Process man it is a
Speaker 1: painful process because whether You, are utah whether You, are
Speaker 1: washington whether You're the pelicans who kind of shut, it
Speaker 1: Down The, brooklyn nets like all of those teams were
Speaker 1: very obvious about their motivation to be unseerious, about competing
Speaker 1: only to Watch The, dallas mavericks The Sant, antilio spurs
Speaker 1: And the philadelphia Seventy six ers get the top. Three,
Speaker 1: picks dallas, of course Already Has, Anthony Davis. Kyrie irving
Speaker 1: they Wrapped Up daniel gafford with a. Contract extension they've
Speaker 1: got really. Talented pieces it's not a, bad roster even
Speaker 1: though they moved Off of dncic as we've, talked about
Speaker 1: but they already have legitimately one of the top five
Speaker 1: players in the league when he's right and when. He's
Speaker 1: healthy THAT'S who I think ad. Is now you could
Speaker 1: talk about he's up, in age his. Health issues all.
Speaker 1: That's fair the, point is with the way this stuff
Speaker 1: is hopefully supposed to play out for the teams that,
Speaker 1: are struggling Like The, utah jazz it's just hard To
Speaker 1: stomach Dallas With anthony Davis And kyrie irving grabbing. Number
Speaker 1: One san antonio with the two straight winners Of the
Speaker 1: rookie Of The, Year award Victor wemen Yam And, stefan
Speaker 1: castle they Just grab harper. At two and Then ultimately
Speaker 1: philly Still Has joel Embiid And paul george on. Their,
Speaker 1: roster now tremendous amount of Questions About joel, embiat's health
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of Questions About paul george's interest in playing,
Speaker 1: basketball anymore but, those two when healthy, and right are
Speaker 1: still very elite in the top upper half of superstar
Speaker 1: players in. Pro basketball there are plenty of smart basketball
Speaker 1: people That Believe joel embiid is as unique as anyone
Speaker 1: we've ever seen IN. The nba the problem is he just,
Speaker 1: breaks down but they still have them on. THE roster
Speaker 1: i didn't Even Mention. Tyrese maxa you JUST. Add vj
Speaker 1: edgecomb to. That group so then the intrigue Starts in charlotte.
Speaker 1: At four According, to Cavoni conk nipple would be the.
Speaker 1: Play there so if con canimple is the play, at
Speaker 1: Four the jazz will have their Pick Of, Jeremiah Fears,
Speaker 1: ace Bailey And. Trey johnson and if you want to
Speaker 1: Throw the mallawatch Kid from duke, in there somebody likes
Speaker 1: him an. Awful lot that's certainly a name you can,
Speaker 1: look at but that's not a horrible group of prospects
Speaker 1: to have your. Pick of if You're, The jazz cavoni
Speaker 1: has Them Taking. Jeremiah fears i've already outlined my concern.
Speaker 1: With that if those players, ARE available I think i'll
Speaker 1: probably just side With What zach harper just said, earlier
Speaker 1: Today And tony, Jones Echoed trey johnson feels like he
Speaker 1: needs to be the pick because If the Jazz Go
Speaker 1: jeremiah fears at, Five again i'll go lean back on the. Term,
Speaker 1: redundancy no it's not a super excellent parallel the that's
Speaker 1: probably a little bit of a. False EQUIVALENCY if I
Speaker 1: Say jeremiah fears is the Same as Kante or isaiah,
Speaker 1: but again it's another smallish guard that you'll have on
Speaker 1: your roster under contract for at least three or, four
Speaker 1: years depending on how the rookie contract. Plays Out the
Speaker 1: jazz need length and they need athletes. They Need the
Speaker 1: jazz have been historically pathetic defensively for two. Straight years
Speaker 1: that another smallish guard who doesn't feel like he has
Speaker 1: the length and the athleticism to exist IN the nba
Speaker 1: just feels like the. Wrong MOVE and i cannot coroborate
Speaker 1: or speak to what is going On With. Ace bailey,
Speaker 1: and no he didn't measure at six' ten like we.
Speaker 1: Thought he would he ended up about six or. EIGHT
Speaker 1: without shoes i hate the. Without shoes thing it's the dumbest.
Speaker 1: Thing we do you wear shoes when, you play basketball.
Speaker 1: MEASURE in shoes i don't care how tall. You are
Speaker 1: barefoot we're not playing Pickup ball in africa like. We
Speaker 1: wear shoes it's. The DUMBEST thing so i wouldn't Mind
Speaker 1: if the jazz Landed on as bailey at five based
Speaker 1: off the intel all year long that had him as
Speaker 1: one of the, top three, prospects because no he's, not
Speaker 1: six ten but at least he's six's eight, with long
Speaker 1: arms a seven, to two wingspan seven to, one wing
Speaker 1: span and he was the number three prospect pretty much
Speaker 1: all year long before this chaos kind of fell on
Speaker 1: him as a result of him not working. Out For
Speaker 1: teams trey johnson about, six' five okay one to, ninety
Speaker 1: six' ten, wingspan standing reach, eight five and to me
Speaker 1: he at least has the, upside of being. A great
Speaker 1: great offensive, player it can. Really, shoot it can initiate yes.
Speaker 1: All these players are young we don't know. What they're going,
Speaker 1: to be and that's why whether IT'S college football, recruits
Speaker 1: or nba draft picks you have to proceed with a
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of caution. Before you anoint or dismiss it's simply.
Speaker 1: Going to take, some time gavoni's latest mock there's not
Speaker 1: a ton of local interest. In the draft this Year
Speaker 1: The One. Name is yegor yegor demon at One point
Speaker 1: he was just i'm as. High as ten or Eleven
Speaker 1: his latest mock Has jegar going thirteen To Atlanta, to
Speaker 1: play for quinn snyder which would, still be a lottery
Speaker 1: pick but. LATE lottery pick at That i do wonder
Speaker 1: and i've heard, some people talk about this and certainly
Speaker 1: some people write About This the whole like ryan smith
Speaker 1: IS A. Massive donor to byu basketball he's one of
Speaker 1: THE Alums that CARES About Byu. Basketball and byu electic
Speaker 1: department so he clearly is, part of not the ENTIRETY
Speaker 1: but part of bankrolling byu basketball to give them the
Speaker 1: funds they need to bring In Talent. To play for
Speaker 1: kevin young he is. DONATING a lot of money. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much i don't. Have access to that
Speaker 1: information but one of the things that people have talked
Speaker 1: about is is there anything About that that? Can benefit
Speaker 1: ryan's pro team and while, my initial reaction IS no
Speaker 1: the only angle i could come up with Is the. Challenge,
Speaker 1: that The jazz have well the jazz have a. Lot
Speaker 1: of challenges right now they're one of the two or THREE.
Speaker 1: Worst rosters in the nba it's, going to be another really.
Speaker 1: Really rough year next year but when you kind of
Speaker 1: pan back from the from the vacuum mindset and talk
Speaker 1: about it for more of a, macro thirty thousand foot
Speaker 1: view if you go all The way Back to after
Speaker 1: john and, carl either retired or left the challenge that
Speaker 1: this team has. Had is in, this city isn't drafting.
Speaker 1: Well it isn't developing well it's retaining the, players you've
Speaker 1: drafted AND developed because in the nba. It's a three
Speaker 1: tier system, you have to draft, well you have to
Speaker 1: develop and. Then you have to retain the retention piece
Speaker 1: is the one piece of this puzzle this team has not.
Speaker 1: Been able to figure out so? Is there, anything There
Speaker 1: Where for instance like jegor demon spoke Glowingly, ABOUT his
Speaker 1: time in PROVO i think he met i, don't know
Speaker 1: if they're engaged but he's dating A. Girl he met
Speaker 1: at byu will that change when he sees other big?
Speaker 1: CITIES and experiences. Other places i don't know but is
Speaker 1: there anything that we could draw from a great Experience
Speaker 1: from a. Player that ryan helps hire that's. The way
Speaker 1: to PUT, it To play for, byu that ryan HELPS,
Speaker 1: buy to pay for byu and they HAVE a good
Speaker 1: experience at, byu and in our state and then therefore
Speaker 1: would be more likely To stay here, if the, jazz
Speaker 1: draft them developed them, and then able to retain which
Speaker 1: is the one piece of the puzzle. This organization can't
Speaker 1: figure out it still would be A Reach to take.
Speaker 1: Jeg or deman at five but. Here's a Question to,
Speaker 1: Ponder if you're jazz fans if You Have a guarantee
Speaker 1: that yegor demon will Play His Entire career In Salt
Speaker 1: lake city and trey johnson will leave, in six or
Speaker 1: seven years who would you rather have Six Or seven
Speaker 1: years of trey johnson are Twelve Or. Fourteen, years, OF
Speaker 1: yegor demon now again i, Want to be very Clear
Speaker 1: i'm not Saying The jazz are, draft DIEGOR demin at
Speaker 1: five but byu bought and essentially paid for Five Months
Speaker 1: of basketball for aj debonsa to the. Tune of seven
Speaker 1: million dollars ryan was one of the people that wrote
Speaker 1: a check. To HELP make that happen, and i am
Speaker 1: telling you if you have, no watched this kid play
Speaker 1: he is everything he's cracked. UP to be and more
Speaker 1: i don't think he would have been the number One Pick,
Speaker 1: this year over cooper flag but he will be talked
Speaker 1: about during the draft Process Next year the way cooper flag.
Speaker 1: Is being Talked, about now so if aj who appears
Speaker 1: to really being enjoying his Time, on the ground in
Speaker 1: provo if there's an opportunity to grab a kid like
Speaker 1: that who has experienced our. State and actually likes. It
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something there maybe i'm reaching because of course
Speaker 1: it's Not as easy as the jazz have to get
Speaker 1: the NUMBER One, Pick to draft aj demonson but Maybe
Speaker 1: THERE'S something there where ryan's i don't think. It's a
Speaker 1: conflict of interest i've heard a lot of people talk about.
Speaker 1: That and write about. It That's not. My thing it's
Speaker 1: ryan's money he can do. Whatever he wants WITH. It
Speaker 1: he graduated from BYU. He very much loves Byu. He
Speaker 1: also wants the jazz but in the spirit of trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if, there's actually any synergies here maybe
Speaker 1: that's the angle. That we could reach for it actually. Makes, Something, Out,
Speaker 1: of It. Okay aj Debonca Jegor demon they KNOW ryan.
Speaker 1: Smith as the byu BOOSTER he. Sits courtside a byu
Speaker 1: games he jumps on the backs. Of coaches after they,
Speaker 1: win it's a little weird but. That's kind of his.
Speaker 1: Deal so They. Know, him they like utah Okay, they're
Speaker 1: drafted by the jazz and they actually stay here for
Speaker 1: longer than a Few years because until the jazz can
Speaker 1: get that third piece, of the puzzle dialed in and some,
Speaker 1: Of These, Decisions Were, Trades Darren, Williams Gordon, Hayward Donovan.
Speaker 1: MITCHELL rudy gobert carlos. Boozer i could keep going the
Speaker 1: best players That we've had here since john carl retired
Speaker 1: have stayed here for, a truncated amount of time and
Speaker 1: then they've either been traded because they, got sideways with
Speaker 1: a coach or they've, left On Their, own accord like
Speaker 1: gordon hayward or they just decided they wanted to live
Speaker 1: in a different city and forced their way out and
Speaker 1: Basically ended, a Generation Of jazz. Basketball like donovan mitchell
Speaker 1: did jazz have, been able to draft well they've. Been
Speaker 1: able to develop well the final piece of the puzzle
Speaker 1: is how do they retain long term to Maybe finally
Speaker 1: do something special because the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: we have not had A Championship Contending team in salt lake. City,
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety seven, okay that's twenty eight years and that's.
Speaker 1: Just the, reality of it we have, we've had. Some
Speaker 1: good teams another one we're kicking the tires. On potentially,
Speaker 1: winning a championship all right will catch you break coming.
Speaker 1: Up on the other SIDE big, news out of byu
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Speaker 1: they've locked in ryder lions who's one of the top
Speaker 1: FIVE quarterback recruits according to espn of. The twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: HERE in utah Be on Tv Tonight with dave with DAVE.
Speaker 1: Fox ten thirty FIVE kmyu. HE was some nba drafts
Speaker 1: i would imagine we'll react to the news that byus
Speaker 1: dialed in the highest recruit saw on the football side
Speaker 1: Of Things they've had since ben olsen. In two Thousand
Speaker 1: and two right our lions Is. On his way to
Speaker 1: provo but among THESE staff Members Over at kutv, is heidi.
Speaker 1: Hatch Lovely lady good friend and i'm seeing a. TWEET
Speaker 1: she's sending out porter i. Want your take on this this.
Speaker 1: Is catching me off guard most dangerous college Towns, In, Twenty, Twenty, Five, Gainesville,
Speaker 1: Florida Tuscaloose, Alabama. Tempe arizona New, haven connecticut Shout Out
Speaker 1: Yale It's The, New, York What, Iowa, City, Iowa, East, Lansing,
Speaker 1: michigan Bloomington Indiana, Logan. Utah And cedar city utah cedar city,
Speaker 1: is not a. Real place by the, way that's an
Speaker 1: Odd spot but you have is it? REALLY that dangerous down.
Speaker 1: THERE i, don't think so i mean you feel. Like
Speaker 1: this list is valid so.
Speaker 2: These lists are. ALWAYS compiled, in interesting ways i mean? What,
Speaker 2: Are you Considering dangerous listen i'm sure logan has had if,
Speaker 2: you look at the stats they've had a big issue
Speaker 2: with sexual assault And the reporting thereof so i'm sure
Speaker 2: that played. Into them, Making that list in fact I'M
Speaker 2: almost positive because the doj had to Put Their Foot.
Speaker 2: Down in logan cedar. City one's interesting to me? Is
Speaker 2: it like car crashes is THAT the is that? On
Speaker 2: i eighty, down there but you, know let me.
Speaker 1: Pull this let me. Pull this Up real quick, according
Speaker 1: to heidi crime, statistics per ten? Thousand people is there
Speaker 1: ten are there Even Ten? Thousand? People in. Cedar city
Speaker 1: yeah there are. That's growing quite A Bit Data Source
Speaker 1: FROM Fbi Uniform. Crime reporting ucr local reporting we're available
Speaker 1: cities towns that are home to major. Universities or Large Student,
Speaker 1: populations respect to cedar city is it really a major?
Speaker 1: City with a, LARGE institution ALL due respect.
Speaker 2: I mean i, guess according TO certain, Parameters, That's Su
Speaker 2: U right yes southern utah, Thunderbirds Shout. Out our, guy delane.
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald. Oh yes that's right Yes What's the difference BETWEEN
Speaker 1: Southern utah and you ta tech or whatever the? Hell
Speaker 1: they're calling to, now like eighty miles so but, they, Are, two,
Speaker 1: different institutions, Correct okay yes all Right we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna.
Speaker 1: Bring in ryles TODAY boy, LOOK it's like i said
Speaker 1: I Just, got back from saint george and it. Is
Speaker 1: such a. Weird place it just is, We Talked About
Speaker 1: this yesterday black Desert Resort. Technically not in saint George,
Speaker 1: but everything down there Porter To me Is. EITHER saint
Speaker 1: george or mesquite i. Don't. EVERYTHING else, is whatever yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if you're on, one side Of The. Gorge
Speaker 2: you're in saint george, if you're on the other.
Speaker 1: YOU'RE in the skid.
Speaker 2: Area i feel you there there's there's not much use
Speaker 2: in parsing it when you're just kind of building a
Speaker 2: sprawl and. Extending it throughout the desert.
Speaker 1: You can throw cards on one side of the gorge
Speaker 1: and you. Cannot, on the, other exactly.
Speaker 2: Okay that's uh that's accurate you do, Some other things.
Speaker 1: There, too yes you, can well let's be clear you
Speaker 1: can do whatever. You want wherever you're at just some
Speaker 1: things are legal. And some things, Are, not this is,
Speaker 1: true Okay. This is true so Porter among the duties
Speaker 1: that porter, has at this, radio station which Are plentiful
Speaker 1: he hosts our. Utah football preff. And post he really
Speaker 1: is he like our main football, Guy Here. On the
Speaker 1: station ryder lions porter has signed to play his COLLEGE,
Speaker 1: football at the at byu So he Turned. Down the
Speaker 1: university of OREGON he was looking at, usc where his
Speaker 1: brother plays and He elected to Play for kilane and a,
Speaker 1: rod friends, of the show of course. And bring him on,
Speaker 1: University according to and look i'm Not going to Pretend
Speaker 1: That i've. Been, Grinding ryder lions tape okay i'm just
Speaker 1: reading about him over the past couple of weeks after
Speaker 1: the rumors surface he MIGHT. Come and play for, byu
Speaker 1: he's very highly. Regarded barely highly thought of he. Will
Speaker 1: not be available IMMEDIATELY he will serve an lds mission
Speaker 1: then be on. Campus in twenty twenty SEVEN we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some byu guests round the course of the. Week
Speaker 1: to talk about this this feels LIKE the football. EQUIVALENT
Speaker 1: of aj debantsa no aj might be more in a
Speaker 1: class of his own because he is the number one
Speaker 1: recruit as far. As, his peers this, year so first
Speaker 1: of all your thoughts on by you've been, able to
Speaker 1: get this done and then your thoughts on what this
Speaker 1: does as far as a shot maybe Across the Bow.
Speaker 2: For, The University, OF utah, ultimately rider lions i mean
Speaker 2: one of the top recruits in the in the. Country
Speaker 2: and as a quarterback THAT'S really the target. That byu
Speaker 2: had this offseason this was the one they wanted to
Speaker 2: get on, sign on the dotted line and you.
Speaker 1: Just look at.
Speaker 2: The, numbers he's, really good now for me you don't
Speaker 2: look at like one player. In recruiting as a success.
Speaker 2: It's more about the trends it's more about. The numbers
Speaker 2: year to year it's more, about. What you're doing consistently
Speaker 2: right but this is a player that you almost expect
Speaker 2: to contend for or at least push for that job
Speaker 2: in provo the. Second he steps. On campus YOU mentioned.
Speaker 2: It he's an lds kid, he's going on a mission
Speaker 2: so that's. Gonna wait a little. While but THAT'S it's,
Speaker 2: huge and like i said the bigger story here, today is,
Speaker 2: not that they you know got a. Top one hundred
Speaker 2: committed quarterback it's the fact that it adds on to,
Speaker 2: what is now a trend which is always what. You
Speaker 2: look at in recruiting they now have three top one,
Speaker 2: hundred recruits this signing class including Two. From the state
Speaker 2: of utah one of, them is a pass catcher one,
Speaker 2: of THEM throws the ball and i think one of
Speaker 2: them is. Going to protect your quarterback so, they're stockpiling
Speaker 2: in important, positions and as you mentioned they are doing
Speaker 2: it with what appears to be a really good. Backing,
Speaker 2: on the nil side now a Little different, than the
Speaker 2: aj debous situation just because this is a kid who
Speaker 2: HE grew. Up with some BYU, connections he is a
Speaker 2: lds so there was at least. A foot in the
Speaker 2: door the demands of stuff for. Me is even more
Speaker 2: wild it just kind of came. More out, of left
Speaker 2: field but YEAH big big Deal. For byu, AND for
Speaker 2: utah you know i don't ever take recruiting, is like
Speaker 2: a direct shot but when you're going head to head
Speaker 2: and when you measure yourself, up against your direct rival
Speaker 2: and especially when you're doing, it in The same, conference
Speaker 2: now the big twelve you're definitely paying attention to what
Speaker 2: they're doing and hopefully adding.
Speaker 1: Some, URGENCY on, your side yeah i, mean it's just
Speaker 1: to me underscores the bigger picture of this, dynamic that's
Speaker 1: kind of unfolded and we talked about. It To start
Speaker 1: the show according. I'VE got ESPN's rankings up i know
Speaker 1: two four seven does some stuff, and some other you
Speaker 1: know some other. Outlets HAVE their own rankings even i believe.
Speaker 1: This is up to date even With The news today
Speaker 1: the RIDER. LIONS has committed, to byu espn has them
Speaker 1: according to, the twenty twenty six rankings just on the outside.
Speaker 1: Of the top twenty, Five so according to this, TENNESSEE
Speaker 1: would be twenty six, Byu would be, Twenty Seven auburn twenty,
Speaker 1: Eight Boston college twenty nine florida state. Thirty for twenty,
Speaker 1: twenty six and you know you add this current recruiting
Speaker 1: cycle as porter Of Reference. Tight end, from saint george
Speaker 1: ironically enough, highly thought of defensive tackle an old ligneman
Speaker 1: that are all. In the top one, HUNDRED when the
Speaker 1: dust settles byu might have a top twenty recruiting class for.
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty six cycle that certainly would be, their
Speaker 1: highest recruiting class ever not JUST under kilane. From what
Speaker 1: i read, Today if this is accurate BYU's best recruiting
Speaker 1: class was twenty ten and it. WAS a top thirty
Speaker 1: class i think. They finished at number thirty so, if they,
Speaker 1: can creep up you, know into the top twenty it
Speaker 1: would be historic on. A number of different levels but
Speaker 1: it just KIND of underscores this current i think we
Speaker 1: have enough data now to call it a trend, Where
Speaker 1: for about a decade utah had A clear innate advantage over.
Speaker 1: Byu in one main area i've always said two things if.
Speaker 1: You listen to, The, show first, of all hello? Thank
Speaker 1: you how, Are you second of all. I've always sa,
Speaker 1: two things, two two incidents two Circumstances two situations catapulled
Speaker 1: the utah football into this era OF. Dominance over their
Speaker 1: rival byu it was a. Generation of youth football dominance and.
Speaker 1: There are, two Reasons why number one as kyle said
Speaker 1: no to his Alma. Mater and Yes to utah IF
Speaker 1: coach wit took The byu job, BACK after urban took
Speaker 1: off i don't know what this. Era would have Looked
Speaker 1: like that's How Important, Kyle Is, to utah football utah.
Speaker 1: Athletics the community Up here. That's who Coach wit. Is
Speaker 1: he is utah's levelle. There will be a, statue he
Speaker 1: doesn't love it but there will be a statue bill.
Speaker 1: As soon as. He's Done, That's number one NUMBER two
Speaker 1: utah gets THE pac twelve invite and byu IS left
Speaker 1: out looking at, byu makes, a reactionary move and yes
Speaker 1: it was no matter what sort of spin you want
Speaker 1: to put because you don't, LOVE uncomfortable truths down there
Speaker 1: byu makes the, reactionary move to go independent, which was
Speaker 1: a big risk but it was probably the only course
Speaker 1: of action as Opposed To staying in the mountain west
Speaker 1: conference going, to find your own. Way which will, tough
Speaker 1: Ask Which is why as tom, homer walks out THE door,
Speaker 1: if you're a byu fan you owe that man, a,
Speaker 1: debt of gratitude. Forever period end of story but, because
Speaker 1: of Those two dynamics because Of kyle saying yes TO,
Speaker 1: utah And know to Byu and utah, receiving THE pac
Speaker 1: twelve invite and byu in, A reactionary move going independent
Speaker 1: utah was able to build up a clear advantage over
Speaker 1: the course of a. Generation fifteen years or so what's happened,
Speaker 1: over the past three years maybe, even a little, bit
Speaker 1: longer about four years is the shoes, now on the
Speaker 1: other foot where there's No longer any CLEAR. Advantage utah
Speaker 1: has over Byu both. Are in the Big Twelve, You
Speaker 1: Can thank larry scott george kliovkoff a number of different
Speaker 1: mitigating factors all kind of combined to collapse the Home.
Speaker 1: For FOOTBALL in, the west the pac twelve, which continues
Speaker 1: to be WILD will never be something i can say
Speaker 1: out loud without having some sort, of VISCERAL like body
Speaker 1: reaction like i still can't believe, how it all went.
Speaker 1: Down But it went, down the pac Twelve died AND
Speaker 1: now Both utah and, Byu are big twelve. Teams big
Speaker 1: twelve athletic departments utah a full. SHARE, member from day,
Speaker 1: one byu for whatever reason still, not a full share
Speaker 1: member but they're. Still in the same conference there's no
Speaker 1: longer an innate advantage for one or the other based
Speaker 1: off of the home of where they. Find Themselves for, their,
Speaker 1: athletics it's big twelve, PERIOD so even playing FIELD i
Speaker 1: think next year byu, becomes a full share. MEMBER maybe
Speaker 1: the year after, i, think it's next year though so
Speaker 1: they'll both be able to have the same share of,
Speaker 1: the spoils from the conference which, is in A, good
Speaker 1: place Not The. Sec not the, big ten we know
Speaker 1: that and maybe at some point that, will become a
Speaker 1: different reality, because this is a, sport namely in college,
Speaker 1: football but also a, landscape namely in college athletics that
Speaker 1: continues to shift under our feet, and will, Continue to
Speaker 1: change and honestly i've come to an area of radical
Speaker 1: acceptance for those of you that love therapy that the
Speaker 1: only consistent with all this stuff will be, changed and
Speaker 1: will be chaos and we'll be, lawsuits and will be
Speaker 1: appeals and we'll all clutch our pearls over certain, things
Speaker 1: during The off season and Then august comes and then
Speaker 1: saturday's in the, fall, come, and it's like oh yeah
Speaker 1: this is why we do the thing because this is
Speaker 1: so fun and it's so enjoyable. In so many different,
Speaker 1: ways but the other thing, clearly THAT fell into place
Speaker 1: as i talked about, when it actually went down that
Speaker 1: has really shifted, this entire area of momentum Clearly In
Speaker 1: the direction of brigham young, at least as of now,
Speaker 1: at least. As of today is nil is the ability
Speaker 1: to write checks for young men and young women that
Speaker 1: you want to. Come PLAY sports free institution and i
Speaker 1: do view this whenever there's news That comes Down like
Speaker 1: an aja, DE bonsa or a writer i do View
Speaker 1: this as something that utah has, to look at and
Speaker 1: say how do? We get some of? That what do
Speaker 1: we do and it's. MUCH easier said than done i
Speaker 1: can pontificate on. Possibilities on this RADIO show, As much
Speaker 1: as i want i'm Not an Administrator, at The University,
Speaker 1: Of utah Not Mark, carlin i'm not taylor randall both of,
Speaker 1: whom are very, Capable leaders and you know i'm sure
Speaker 1: they'll be. Able to traverse this space but how do
Speaker 1: you answer it if you. Don't HAVE the same resources and,
Speaker 1: I let me be clear i don't know if they do.
Speaker 1: Or if they do not we're JUST Talking. About it,
Speaker 1: the lds. Church it's members the community they understand, the
Speaker 1: power of the purse, and when granted with opportunities they
Speaker 1: clearly have. Been prepared, for this moment and no your
Speaker 1: tithing dollars are not. GOING to pay these players i
Speaker 1: know we have to be very clear about certain things that.
Speaker 1: JUST get people so weird i understand that. THE church
Speaker 1: isn't doing this i, understand this isn't tithing money but
Speaker 1: what it is IS checks written by powerful byu alumni
Speaker 1: and boosters. THAT care about the program, i CONTINUE to
Speaker 1: reference this and i also want To be Very clear
Speaker 1: because i'm SURE i'll be aggregated AS i am. Every
Speaker 1: time i say this this information came to me about,
Speaker 1: A year ago or SO a little less that byu
Speaker 1: had ELEVEN seven figure. DONORS while utah had three i
Speaker 1: don't know what the, up TO date number is and
Speaker 1: i don't have any. DOCUMENTS to back that Up i
Speaker 1: don't have any Grandma Requests or whatever the chris camaradi's
Speaker 1: or on. Faulks of the world do this was just
Speaker 1: told TO me by somebody who i will. Tell you
Speaker 1: would absolutely know, So IF that's the reality if byu
Speaker 1: right now is operating with the different sort of, power
Speaker 1: of the Purse, Resources economic ability than utah utah has
Speaker 1: to find a way to even that playing field. Because
Speaker 1: the pendulum has shifted it just. Has for a long
Speaker 1: time it was In The direction of the UNIVERSITY utah
Speaker 1: because of their p FIVE at the time now p
Speaker 1: Four advantage of, being A pack twelve. School while byu
Speaker 1: was independent it clearly caused a chasm between the two
Speaker 1: athletic departments and, clearly The two football teams where, utah
Speaker 1: was the dominant side, not just head to head, But
Speaker 1: From a macro viewpoint rose BOWLS packed twelve championships and
Speaker 1: Byu Was in like The Potato bowl or. The hawaii
Speaker 1: bowl or whatever it was playing for nothing against teams,
Speaker 1: that more often, than not weren't very good and it
Speaker 1: was hard to. Measure where they were at it WAS
Speaker 1: hard to measure where byu was at because the schedule
Speaker 1: was really really bad for the, most part UMass and
Speaker 1: such and they just weren't tested week in and week
Speaker 1: out against some of the class teams in college football
Speaker 1: because they did. Not Have a conference home so tom
Speaker 1: and his daft did his best to. Get the scheduling
Speaker 1: dialed in they GET a good deal with espn so
Speaker 1: they can at least have a television platform and, the
Speaker 1: support of that network and that COMPANY was big to
Speaker 1: help byu tread water until, they found a conference home
Speaker 1: which Was. Always the goal of tom he was. Very
Speaker 1: front facing about, it, he was never like, yeah this
Speaker 1: independent thing rules we. Want to do this Forever There.
Speaker 1: Is ONLY one notre dame and i always laughed at
Speaker 1: the hubris OF certain members of the byu community who
Speaker 1: believed that they. Could, exist on. That level, well you.
Speaker 1: Couldn't you tried you didn't you were never, going to
Speaker 1: be able to. And no one, else could By The.
Speaker 3: Way.
Speaker 1: There's One notre dame okay so tom. Was never long
Speaker 1: for independence. There wasn't anything he wanted he at some
Speaker 1: point was very adamant, about finding a, landing spot which
Speaker 1: They Did. Which, was the big twelve now there were
Speaker 1: several mitigating, factors, that led to that okay but it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. What the avenue looked like the whole point.
Speaker 1: Is what the destination manifested and THAT is a Home for,
Speaker 1: byu in the big twelve so tested week in and
Speaker 1: week out now against some of the. Best, teams in
Speaker 1: the Country No it's not THE, big ten or the
Speaker 1: sec but. It is what it is it's a good
Speaker 1: home for now. Until the next shift comes now that
Speaker 1: the playing field was even when the two schools were
Speaker 1: invited into THE same conference after the pac twelve falls right.
Speaker 1: In front of our eyes utah jump ship and they
Speaker 1: are probably a little bit fortunate to get the landing spot,
Speaker 1: they were able To receive which is WHY Mark's comments after,
Speaker 1: the byu utah football game we're like fingernails on a.
Speaker 1: Chalkboard for so many people so. Not even, the playing
Speaker 1: field but NOW what has really given byu this advantage
Speaker 1: is the ability to pay these kids and do not
Speaker 1: listen to. THE spin that's. Coming out i love it. It,
Speaker 1: makes me so happy yes paying these players is part
Speaker 1: of the reason that they HAVE. Decided to play For
Speaker 1: byu i'm sure Aj debonsa wouldn't. Live in Provo For
Speaker 1: nothing i'm sure ryder lions is receiving. A very nice
Speaker 1: nil CHECK it's. Not about the byu experience. It's not
Speaker 1: about developing character it's about, a number of different, things,
Speaker 1: one OF which is now why byu has this massive Advantage,
Speaker 1: in the moment over, utah which is deep pockets in.
Speaker 1: The power of the purse and Really the onus. Is,
Speaker 1: on utah to answer now we don't know what it's,
Speaker 1: gonna look like this year and We don't know what
Speaker 1: rider lines is gonna look. LIKE in, twenty twenty seven
Speaker 1: i mean How many big time recruits like big time.
Speaker 1: Recruits have never panned out. It happens all the. Time,
Speaker 1: these Are young people okay so, i'm not anointing anybody
Speaker 1: today but if, we're honest about the situation, over the
Speaker 1: past few years the MOMENTUM, has shifted down to Byu
Speaker 1: and now. It's on utah to answer we'll see what
Speaker 1: they do and we'll see. What the results bear out
Speaker 1: the great thing about sports. Is we have a scoreboard.
Speaker 1: We have a final score we actually have a way.
Speaker 1: To tally winners and losers it is. The ultimate zero
Speaker 1: some game but we'll see what THE results bear out
Speaker 1: for byu because the momentum certainly. Is heading in that
Speaker 1: direction so if you think, THE track is a banger
Speaker 1: i will encourage you to go to YouTube and look
Speaker 1: Up The. Music video FOR jericho road this is I? Believe?
Speaker 3: It's?
Speaker 1: Inside of me porter correct is that? The name of,
Speaker 1: this track.
Speaker 2: That's The correct correct name Jerich. Co wrote inside of me.
Speaker 1: It's a good DAY. To HAVE a little jr as i,
Speaker 1: call them on the program because it's a big day FOR.
Speaker 1: Our friends down at byu but, The Voice, of the youths, Bill.
Speaker 1: Riley is our guest riles are you properly pumped up after?
Speaker 1: THAT track bringing you in.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 7: The name of that track i'm a little troubled by
Speaker 7: the name of that track based, on the, Boy band
Speaker 7: themselves but Yes i'm quite thrilled that porter was able to.
Speaker 3: Find that, banger for us fair enough.
Speaker 1: Fair enough For Old. School Bill And spence fan somehow
Speaker 1: jericho road became intertwined into our program back. In the
Speaker 1: Mid Two, thousands our Producer jason shepherd who WORE GENE,
Speaker 1: SCHWORTZS now with byu.
Speaker 3: Tv.
Speaker 1: I think was responsible, bill, we've landed on that right. That's,
Speaker 1: How that went down yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm. Pretty sure it was there Were You more of
Speaker 3: An Abe mills or A Brett bryce or a, dave
Speaker 3: kimball guy.
Speaker 1: Their names that's a level i'm.
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 1: Prepared to go to bill. You just looked that up
Speaker 1: there's no way you knew that off. The top of your.
Speaker 3: Head there MIGHT be a wikipedia. Page, i, was looking At.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well shout, Out jericho wrote all right ryles look
Speaker 1: highly touted. Recruits OFTENTIMES never work out So I don't
Speaker 1: know what rider lions is GOING, to look like for
Speaker 1: byu but it IS a big day for byu, football
Speaker 1: fans in the program as they have dialed in one
Speaker 1: of THE, top five according to espn one of the
Speaker 1: top five quarterback recruits of. THE twenty twenty six class
Speaker 1: i don't know if this is The. Football equivalent of
Speaker 1: aj debonsa that's Kind of the spin that i've heard
Speaker 1: from a LOT. Of people that cover byu but it
Speaker 1: really does bring IN a larger topic that i was
Speaker 1: excited To have you on the rundown today because you'd
Speaker 1: be good, with this, as YOU know you know The
Speaker 1: pap twelve ADVANTAGE that utah had over byu when they
Speaker 1: were independent really allowed coach with to build a program
Speaker 1: that was dominant over its rival. For a, generation playing
Speaker 1: fields even now isn't it? Feels a little bit different
Speaker 1: do you think this is a sign of the times
Speaker 1: or what's your reaction to The news? Coming, OUT of
Speaker 1: provo today well i mean.
Speaker 3: IT'S obviously, a good git i mean you'll land a
Speaker 3: kid that's, As highly rated as that. That's that's a good, git,
Speaker 3: YOU hit on it though i, mean in the football
Speaker 3: world there's as many hits as there are miss probably more,
Speaker 3: misses with highly touted quarterbacks probably more in football, than
Speaker 3: there are in basketball, because, at least in BASKETBALL spence
Speaker 3: you have the aau circuit where. You're playing against like
Speaker 3: competition if you were asking me who's more Likely to
Speaker 3: be the hit ajdbansa or the kid that they, GOT
Speaker 3: the commitment from today I, would probably lean to bansa
Speaker 3: JUST simply because basketball projections i think. Are, EASIER than
Speaker 3: football projections plus i think this young man is going
Speaker 3: to be going out on a mission for a couple
Speaker 3: of years. And coming back to play. So we'll see
Speaker 3: what happens, But, BACK to the question yeah i think
Speaker 3: getting out of the realm.
Speaker 7: Of Independence and getting in a power four LEAGUE has
Speaker 7: certainly been a i don't know if it, completely levels
Speaker 7: the playing field but it feels like the playing field
Speaker 7: is a whole lot more level than it was, three or.
Speaker 3: Four, years ago, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah and look it's. A twenty, twenty six class you
Speaker 1: know as of now the up to day rankings, this
Speaker 1: Is two four seven as utah Is at sixty nine.
Speaker 1: And BYU's, At twenty seven excuse me by's at thirty
Speaker 1: one with the news today that bumps, them up to
Speaker 1: thirty one and these, Are all just you know i've
Speaker 1: always rolled my eyes of the arbitrary nature of the
Speaker 1: ranking system Because we know that coach witt and his
Speaker 1: staff have made a living of developing players that weren't
Speaker 1: necessarily highly regarded coming out OF high. School INTO oftentimes
Speaker 1: nfl players but i wonder how you would articulate or
Speaker 1: simply add some color and context Of the conversation about
Speaker 1: whether utah is in the place that they need to
Speaker 1: be in with the collective and the nils and the
Speaker 1: supports in the community that it appears By US very
Speaker 1: much in.
Speaker 3: Bill i, think, From.
Speaker 7: A football, SIDE absolutely spence i mean i think we
Speaker 7: saw ON the basketball side that byu, has got very
Speaker 7: deep pockets not just for this state but frankly for.
Speaker 7: The landscape of college basketball, BUT on The football side
Speaker 7: i think utah is.
Speaker 3: In as good a position as they've been in and. Probably,
Speaker 3: As good a position again i'm, not PRIVY to the
Speaker 3: numbers but i talk to People around the program and
Speaker 3: i've not gotten any sense that they don't have all the.
Speaker 7: Resources they need to, COMPETE and to be fair, i
Speaker 7: mean it's you know. There's different levels, to this there's
Speaker 7: the elite elite programs that have deep. Pockets AND resources
Speaker 7: and Things but i think both utah and. By you're in,
Speaker 7: good Position and you know again i'm not able, to
Speaker 7: comment specifically on recruits but in this recruiting cycle over,
Speaker 7: THE last couple of days i think both programs have done.
Speaker 3: Very well going after guys last week was a big
Speaker 3: Weekend of Visitors, for the university of utah and based
Speaker 3: on some of the reports that have come out from
Speaker 3: some of the recruiting services. And people to cover it over,
Speaker 3: the last couple Of days it looks like utah's. Had
Speaker 3: A good time too.
Speaker 7: So i've Not gotten any sense that utah doesn't have.
Speaker 3: The resources, they need to Be competitive especially. WITHIN the
Speaker 3: big twelve conference i think WHEN you dip Into the,
Speaker 3: SEC and the big ten i think you see programs
Speaker 3: with maybe. A bigger financial bank role but In the
Speaker 3: WORLD to both, UTAH and Byu play in i think.
Speaker 3: Utah's every bit is Competitive is anybody in the? Big
Speaker 3: twelve conference right.
Speaker 1: Now do you ever get the sense that there is
Speaker 1: A direct because the term i've been using today is
Speaker 1: every time you know a big piece of news has
Speaker 1: come OUT as a result OF byu landing, aj or
Speaker 1: byu landing writer it does feel like maybe a Shot across,
Speaker 1: the bow of utah because again back to the original point,
Speaker 1: where we started the, Conversation for a decade, plus utah
Speaker 1: simply had advantages built IN advantages because, of their pac
Speaker 1: Twelve Inclusion and also because COACH witch said no To.
Speaker 1: BYU and, yes to utah i MEAN those TWO seminal
Speaker 1: moments i think uh really were the origin of what
Speaker 1: was the birth of probably The most successful generation of
Speaker 1: utah football and probably well not probably the most successful
Speaker 1: linear Dynamic when it comes to UTAH simply being better
Speaker 1: than byu more often than, not at, Football. WHEN good
Speaker 1: good good.
Speaker 7: No i was just, gonna say this to me is
Speaker 7: a little bit like when you hire a coach and. You, win,
Speaker 7: the press conference yeah great. We've won the press conference?
Speaker 7: Well what HAPPENS after that here's What I will say
Speaker 7: about utah and they're again they're landing. Free and four
Speaker 7: star guys they're in the mix for a couple. Of
Speaker 7: five STAR guys too but what I would say is
Speaker 7: is utah's got a track record Over The entirety of
Speaker 7: the kyle whittingham era of developing players AND. Putting him
Speaker 7: in the nfl if, You want to stack numbers utah's
Speaker 7: numbers over the last twenty years of guys that have
Speaker 7: been drafted and are playing OR have played in THE.
Speaker 7: Nfl DWARF those of byu now byu this past year
Speaker 7: has won the press conference with a basketball recruit. And
Speaker 7: today a football recruit but let's see what happens, moving
Speaker 7: forward with those guys especially since we're in the football
Speaker 7: realm on, The football side, of things because to me
Speaker 7: it's great to win the, day and get that announcement
Speaker 7: and the KID goes on a national tv show. And
Speaker 7: puts a cap on but what happens once. He, gets
Speaker 7: Into the program now maybe kilani's guys down there are
Speaker 7: developing guys, better than they did before but The overall
Speaker 7: numbers still say utah, has been the better program not
Speaker 7: in the, last five or ten years but over the last,
Speaker 7: twenty years, of finding kids developing kids and THEN. Putting
Speaker 7: him in the nfl and if you want, to look,
Speaker 7: At early projections this year utahs projected to have. Two
Speaker 7: first raft offensive Linemen They weren't huge down spencer fino
Speaker 7: was pretty highly touted, coming out Of, high school but
Speaker 7: tayleab blome who was just a good middle of. The
Speaker 7: Road three star recruit tao Johnson another kid out of
Speaker 7: idaho that was. Another one of those kids but he's
Speaker 7: being projected as a, nice draft pick as well maybe
Speaker 7: not first. Round but Probably second day so.
Speaker 3: And i'm.
Speaker 7: Not downplaying this at all this IS a, if you're
Speaker 7: a yu fan be thrilled because you landed. A really
Speaker 7: good recruit Today but, if you're a utah Fan Your
Speaker 7: track Record With morgan Scalley And kyle Whittingham And lewis
Speaker 7: powell and jim Harding.
Speaker 3: And all these sharif shaw you found guys that are
Speaker 3: three star and four star and you've developed and made
Speaker 3: them better AND. Put them, in the nfl to me
Speaker 3: that's more important than winning the press. Conference or winning
Speaker 3: the day with, THE recruiting side of.
Speaker 1: It i agree with that, and to, Underscore Your point
Speaker 1: you know ryder lyons is THE highest rated quarterback That
Speaker 1: Buyu as signed since ben olsen, in two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Two which, just didn't. Work you know he transferred he HE.
Speaker 1: Never panned out at byu so your POINT is well
Speaker 1: taken and. I certainly AGREE with that the question, i,
Speaker 1: was going to ask though is do you get a
Speaker 1: feel up there at all talking to people That days
Speaker 1: like this are announcements like this do indicate maybe there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a change of momentum and they
Speaker 1: take it as a shot. Across the bow at all
Speaker 1: does it? RESONATE up there at, all I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so because i think their laser focused on.
Speaker 7: The guys. They're going, after they weren't you know it
Speaker 7: wasn't Like it WAS down to utah and byu on the.
Speaker 7: Young man that COMMITTED today he Was. Looking I think
Speaker 7: at oregon so i think it's a little bit more
Speaker 7: personal when it's a head to head battle, and you
Speaker 7: lose That battle.
Speaker 3: Whether you're in provo or. Up HERE on the hill
Speaker 3: but i don't get a sense that an announcement like
Speaker 3: today's is really, a shot across, The bow because you
Speaker 3: know utah was looking at for. Guys, that, in that,
Speaker 3: space okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah fair enough fair enough it's just always interesting. TO
Speaker 1: juxtapose the two scenarios i guess we can move over
Speaker 1: to the space because. YOU can't Talk about recruits i
Speaker 1: have utah's, twenty twenty six recruits up so you kind
Speaker 1: of elaborated on what you perceived to be some. Positive
Speaker 1: momentum for this class but we can put twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six aside and just kind of hone in on, where
Speaker 1: we're at right now. In the here, and now and
Speaker 1: you know we visited with. You not too long Ago
Speaker 1: but here's here's, how I'LL ask a, question because i you,
Speaker 1: know whether it's text Messages obviously a lot of, UTAH
Speaker 1: fans in my ecosystem yu fans. In the family as
Speaker 1: well what would you say as the voice of the
Speaker 1: utes as somebody who now works full time up there
Speaker 1: two ute fans that do feel like, there is a
Speaker 1: genuine concern this undercurrent of genuine concern that maybe the. Momentum,
Speaker 1: is shifting.
Speaker 7: Down south well let's see how it. Plays out, On
Speaker 7: the Field you, Know utah got you know utah was
Speaker 7: beaten a. Year ago BY b one you and i
Speaker 7: know they've. Lost the last two matchups but last year
Speaker 7: you were playing. A little shorthanded to quarterback let's see
Speaker 7: how the next. Couple OF years play out if byu
Speaker 7: starts in on a run where, they win, three to
Speaker 7: four you, know seasons in a.
Speaker 3: Row then MAYBE that swung but.
Speaker 7: But i haven't seen that last, year was a close
Speaker 7: game a, controversial game in some ways but it was
Speaker 7: a one Possession game late and again utah was, was
Speaker 7: pretty deficient on offense, AND still in, that game, i,
Speaker 7: would say you know again people that weren't, a here
Speaker 7: and now society and everybody. Wants IT here And now
Speaker 7: BUT i don't. HERE'S what i Will say i. DON'T
Speaker 7: think utah has, Fallen i think you know utah had
Speaker 7: a run of bad injuries and. BAD luck A year
Speaker 7: ago i think utah's program. Still IN a good PLACE
Speaker 7: what i think is byus ascended a little bit up
Speaker 7: From where. They WERE pre big twelve so i think
Speaker 7: what you're seeing is a little bit OF an. Ascension
Speaker 7: OF the byu program But i don't feel. LIKE utah's
Speaker 7: program has dipped i feel like they had a bad
Speaker 7: run of injuries at, quarterback the last two seasons but
Speaker 7: even a Season two Seasons ago with bryce and barnes,
Speaker 7: at quarterback who, was okay he wasn't great but they still.
Speaker 7: MANAGED to win eight games i think that was a,
Speaker 7: testament to coaching the defense. A lot of Other things
Speaker 7: so for the utah. Fans it, MIGHT be concerned oh
Speaker 7: man I don't feel like the utah program, has dipped in.
Speaker 7: ANY way shape or form i do feel like the
Speaker 7: rival has made some improvements and built upon being in,
Speaker 7: A Powerful conference though.
Speaker 1: Well and i'm also one bill that, believes that's a
Speaker 1: good thing and that's not just a self serving media
Speaker 1: thing to Use the term that doctor hill dropped on
Speaker 1: all of. This once UPON a time that's where i,
Speaker 1: believe THAT iron sharpens iron and i believe a little
Speaker 1: bit of pressure from the school, that whether, you like
Speaker 1: it or. NOT everybody measures you against i actually perceive
Speaker 1: it to BE a good thing because i believe. Healthy
Speaker 1: competition Can breed results that's. Where, I'M at with it, No.
Speaker 7: I think, YOU'RE right spence i mean i think when your,
Speaker 7: chief rival is getting better it makes you puts you a.
Speaker 7: Little bit more on alert and, they were always a
Speaker 7: rival but now they're a, rival in the conference again
Speaker 7: so that puts you on a little bit more heightened
Speaker 7: alert because they're not just a. Rival who's forty miles
Speaker 7: away they're now a, rival who's forty miles away who's
Speaker 7: in the same league and competing for a lot of the.
Speaker 3: Same guys on recruiting.
Speaker 1: Trail so when you know when you've had the opportunity
Speaker 1: at this point to continue to prepare and we're all
Speaker 1: going to be a big twelve media day here and
Speaker 1: coming up a little, bit and, at some point you
Speaker 1: Know we're sitting here in june trying to pontificate on
Speaker 1: what the Conference will Look, like in august and september
Speaker 1: which oftentimes. Is an exercise and futility do you feel
Speaker 1: like you have a, good handle as of Now Whether
Speaker 1: it's reading the phil steele stuff or reading the preseason
Speaker 1: expectations or conversations you have with your peers around the,
Speaker 1: conference about just generally speaking how this, is going to
Speaker 1: play out whether or not it will be a little
Speaker 1: bit of a cannibalistic conference, where a bunch, of good
Speaker 1: maybe no great teams. Beat up on each other do
Speaker 1: you feel like you have A good handle on what
Speaker 1: big twelve football is going. TO look like next year.
Speaker 6: I don't have.
Speaker 3: A great handle on it i don't see anybody on
Speaker 3: paper that jumps out at Me as great as say.
Speaker 3: National CHAMPIONSHIP can tender great but i think this league
Speaker 3: could have, multiple PLAYOFF teams this year and i, DO
Speaker 3: think to your point i think there could BE some
Speaker 3: cannibalization because because i think that there's a lot of teams.
Speaker 3: THAT are on that side i don't know that there's
Speaker 3: one elite team or two. ELITE teams in This League,
Speaker 3: I think the Arizona, STATES i think The, utah's I Think,
Speaker 3: the Byus, The Iowa states the baylors texas tech may
Speaker 3: be the, Most interesting team for me spence because they.
Speaker 7: SPENT a lot of money i heard that they spent
Speaker 7: in the neighborhood of twenty. Five million dollars on football
Speaker 7: they've got crazy Boosters With, oil money in west texas
Speaker 7: and this was a team that was six. And three
Speaker 7: a year, ago they return a quarterback they spent a lot.
Speaker 7: Of Money in the portal so i'm going to be
Speaker 7: really Interested To see. HOW good Texas Tech is i
Speaker 7: think kansas. STATE'S going To be good i think kansas
Speaker 7: could be A Wild card because the jalen daniels kid
Speaker 7: has been in, and out of the lineup, but if he.
Speaker 7: Stays HEALTHY he's pretty.
Speaker 3: Dynamic so i want to. Get a little bit closer
Speaker 3: i'm KIND of like you when i get down get
Speaker 3: a better feel of it when you're kind of boots on,
Speaker 3: the ground talking to people and, have a sense you
Speaker 3: know right before camp begins. What THESE teams look like
Speaker 3: but i don't have a great feel for who the
Speaker 3: definitive best. TEAM in the league is i think there's
Speaker 3: a pot of about four or five or six teams.
Speaker 3: That all might get there so.
Speaker 1: You taught football thirty nine additions during the, siding period
Speaker 1: in transfer window. And we Talked about, this that ranks
Speaker 1: UTAH football according to what i Read as far, as
Speaker 1: a big twelve preview is among. The lowest in returning
Speaker 1: production some. YEARS that would be bad i don't know
Speaker 1: if it's bad this year when it comes to the
Speaker 1: downs and. They suffered a year ago coach with himself
Speaker 1: during the springball talking about kind of the renewed positive.
Speaker 1: Energy in the locker room but, here's my question for
Speaker 1: you as you're. Making your way around town when you throw,
Speaker 1: the card the cardboard down, you do, your head spin
Speaker 1: your breakdance and you're doing the bill thing. Whatever it
Speaker 1: is you do what's what are some of the main
Speaker 1: questions you get from the community. About curiosity concerning the
Speaker 1: team what are some of the topics and feedback You
Speaker 1: Get from people around salt lake and the Surrounding area. That,
Speaker 1: care about utah.
Speaker 7: Football well Everybody asks about devin. Damp here and the
Speaker 7: quarterback they. Want to know about him they want to,
Speaker 7: know how good?
Speaker 3: He is what's.
Speaker 7: HIS potential stuff like that i Spoke To A Group
Speaker 7: last friday old dominion trucking and they were having A
Speaker 7: big lunch in and i spoke to, them about the
Speaker 7: football program and everybody Wants to know about, damp here
Speaker 7: and you? Know what does he do? How dynamic is
Speaker 7: he and they want to know who the backup quarterback,
Speaker 7: is going to be because as we've, seen the last
Speaker 7: two years the backup quarterback has Played a Lot, at
Speaker 7: THE university of utah and i think that's to be
Speaker 7: an Interesting Battle this Fall Between. Isaac wilson, And bird
Speaker 7: fickland you know. Isaac's Got experience in games bird fickland's
Speaker 7: probably a body type prototype of what you know fits.
Speaker 7: The offense very very well but he's. An eighteen year
Speaker 7: old freshman he's never played a. Down OF real.
Speaker 3: College football and I think the other question i get
Speaker 3: a ton of spence is who are? Going to be
Speaker 3: the playmakers who's. GOING to catch the football.
Speaker 7: I Was just talking to jason Beck The other day
Speaker 7: and mike simon the other day, who's the wide receivers
Speaker 7: coach and they both said that's going to be decided
Speaker 7: in the first. Two weeks of fall camp they've got
Speaker 7: an idea of some of who those, some of those
Speaker 7: guys are but two of the guys that might be
Speaker 7: those guys got. Here In the Spring portal larry Simmons
Speaker 7: from southern Miss. And merriweather from from california those are
Speaker 7: two guys that. They think could be it but they
Speaker 7: didn't mean, Practice WITH the team yet so i think.
Speaker 3: That's probably the.
Speaker 7: Biggest question people ask THEM probably the, biggest question, i
Speaker 7: have is you know the running game. Is going to
Speaker 7: be fine, Their offensive line is. Stella the quarterbacks really
Speaker 7: good they've got a good kind of stable of Running Backs,
Speaker 7: led by way shawn parker so they're going to be.
Speaker 7: Able to run the football but when, they have to
Speaker 7: throw it who are? Going to be those guys and
Speaker 7: that question, just HASN'T been answered yet and i don't
Speaker 7: think it's going to be answered for a. Couple of
Speaker 7: weeks of camp on the, defensive side of the football everybody,
Speaker 7: wants to know about upfront who's.
Speaker 3: Going To rush the passer logan fano. Is one of
Speaker 3: those guys but then.
Speaker 7: They've got a bunch of red shirt freshmen and sophomores who.
Speaker 7: They're COUNTING pretty heavily on so i don't worry about
Speaker 7: that part so much Because, it always feels like utah
Speaker 7: even in their worst years defensively.
Speaker 3: Are good and in their. Best. YEARS they're really good
Speaker 3: upfront i, think they like the talent it just doesn't,
Speaker 3: have a ton, of experience but they're deep so it'll
Speaker 3: be interesting to me Who, kind of plays opposite afano
Speaker 3: who's back from the knee injury.
Speaker 7: At one hundred percent now he was kind of playing his.
Speaker 7: Way through it, last year linebackers, are good secondary is
Speaker 7: good but upfront probably so it's probably playmakers and defensive
Speaker 7: line are. My two kind of questions but that's what
Speaker 7: the same thing. People are asking me about, Who's going
Speaker 7: to catch passes we're going to?
Speaker 3: Throw to the tight end? What's going?
Speaker 1: To go on all right the schedule was released For
Speaker 1: Men's basketball and the big twelve is elected to trim
Speaker 1: the schedule in order to make for. More non conference
Speaker 1: scheduling options do you like that or would you just
Speaker 1: prefer to see the same Conference schedule that we've seen.
Speaker 3: For me if you. CAN get some good games i
Speaker 3: liked it last year having those twenty games Because It was,
Speaker 3: two more Big Twelve games and the big twelve is
Speaker 3: one of the. Best conferences, in the country you.
Speaker 7: KNOW it's hard to schedule i, think some coaches like it.
Speaker 7: Some coaches, don't like it for me if you're going
Speaker 7: to give, Me two extra conference games.
Speaker 3: I'm good with it because A lot of programs And
Speaker 3: i'm saying not saying utah is because they're finishing up their.
Speaker 3: Non conference schedule right now but when you play At A,
Speaker 3: conference like the big twelve you know you're going to
Speaker 3: have a team that's probably at minimum a top, one
Speaker 3: Hundred net, ranked team sometimes top. Fifty Sometimes top twenty
Speaker 3: five so i've always been in.
Speaker 7: Favor of more conference games so the fact that, Going
Speaker 7: to eighteen is fine i'm. Going to be real curious
Speaker 7: it'll probably be to be done in the next couple
Speaker 7: of weeks what the non. Conference schedule will look like
Speaker 7: but if you gave me, The choice between the two
Speaker 7: i'd say give. Me two more, Conference games what, About you.
Speaker 1: I'm with YOU and ultimately it's Because i don't believe
Speaker 1: and I'm not, saying this about utah, specifically more often
Speaker 1: than not non conference schedules in college basketball don't tell
Speaker 1: you anything about the team because most coaches want to
Speaker 1: play cakewalks to. Get THEM ready for conference so i say.
Speaker 1: More conference, games, the better that's me yeah because.
Speaker 7: You're then playing for something you're. Playing for Your Conference
Speaker 7: standings but the big twelves elected, to go back to
Speaker 7: eighteen so that's. WHAT we'll see this year i am
Speaker 7: excited about Getting to go to fog allen to, call
Speaker 7: a game this Year To give you to kansas state to.
Speaker 7: Call a game this Year I've never Been, to Texas
Speaker 7: tech at lubbock but i've heard they, get great crowds
Speaker 7: in there and they spend a ton of money on
Speaker 7: nil and they've they've had good teams. The last couple
Speaker 7: of years so that'll be fun.
Speaker 3: To go to those places.
Speaker 1: Wondering, since you brought, that up, YOU know Initially and yes.
Speaker 1: I know i'm a, snob i. Will own IT you
Speaker 1: know you and i discussed the different dynamic, of Travel
Speaker 1: for youth fans Juxtaposing pac twelve. Markets to big twelve
Speaker 1: markets now that you've had, a little bit and, look
Speaker 1: you're from that area it's like you're familiar with it
Speaker 1: in the way that most of us. Just are not
Speaker 1: at all but how do you think that transition has?
Speaker 1: Been for, the fan base you KNOW we were talking
Speaker 1: to I, can't remember who were oh WE. Were, discussing
Speaker 1: this with jb long who's, still doing some college football
Speaker 1: Our buddy from the old PAC twelve. Network who calls
Speaker 1: rams games there's always, this THING that people say, and
Speaker 1: i say it, TOO where regardless, of house, ncaa. Nil
Speaker 1: transfer portal lawsuits appeals saturday's in The fall still feel,
Speaker 1: like saturday's in the fall But They. Probably don't to
Speaker 1: oregon State They, probably don't to washington state and they
Speaker 1: feel a little. Bit different for youth fans if for
Speaker 1: a decade PLUS we're used to the pac Twelve Brands the,
Speaker 1: HOME of west, coast football i mean here and the
Speaker 1: ability to Take A week trip to los angeles or
Speaker 1: wherever to enjoy some Of these markets that the Pac
Speaker 1: twelve had that. The big twelve just doesn't but Now
Speaker 1: That we, have some big twelve experience how do you
Speaker 1: think things like travel and experience in different markets have
Speaker 1: landed with a community that simply was used to something.
Speaker 1: DIFFERENT for over a decade.
Speaker 7: I think it's still adjusting I think a lot of
Speaker 7: utah fans last year Made that trip to still water
Speaker 7: because it was one of the few kind of name
Speaker 7: Trips On the schedule and oklahoma state's got a Good
Speaker 7: Pedigree in history and. Boone pick and stadiums good, But
Speaker 7: and to be fair utah was still playing good football at.
Speaker 7: THAT point in time too i think there's going, to,
Speaker 7: be an adjustment, period spence because you Know The stops
Speaker 7: in the pac, twelve were in big cities and they.
Speaker 7: Were Easy To Get. To from salt lake city they
Speaker 7: Were A, single flight To, los angeles or To Seattle
Speaker 7: or to The. Bay area or to. Phoenix, you could
Speaker 7: get There really some of these big twelve trips. Are
Speaker 7: a little bit harder it's a it's a flight and then.
Speaker 7: A RENTAL car hop Someplace but i think once utah
Speaker 7: kind of goes through, it a couple of times a
Speaker 7: couple of kind, of rounds around the block and fans
Speaker 7: begin to make, some trips like this year Maybe, some people,
Speaker 7: DECIDE to hey You know i want To, I've Never,
Speaker 7: been to morgantown west virginia. And that's a great say
Speaker 7: it's not a place, that's easy to Get to but.
Speaker 7: It's a rabbit fan base that would. Be a Pretty,
Speaker 7: interesting trip by, to pittsburgh you drive down or maybe
Speaker 7: you decide you, want to, go to uh you know
Speaker 7: you Want. To go down to kansas so even if
Speaker 7: It is the day after thanksgiving and see the New
Speaker 7: Stadium and fly into kansas city and. DO some of
Speaker 7: that stuff i just think it's going to take A
Speaker 7: couple of years for utah fans to kind of recalibrate
Speaker 7: where they were because they got spoiled with, easy trips
Speaker 7: to name places, and to be very Fair, we're west
Speaker 7: to THE rockies AND places Like ucla And usc and
Speaker 7: washington And oregon were places where utah would venture every couple,
Speaker 7: of years or every decade. BUT they were familiar places
Speaker 7: i don't Get a sense that the midwest schools Are
Speaker 7: nearly as familiar to utah fans because it's just kind
Speaker 7: of a different. Geographic PART of the country so i
Speaker 7: get the same thing from a lot, of, people, THAT
Speaker 7: are like ah, MAN i miss going, Here I miss
Speaker 7: going there and i get it because there's also Good
Speaker 7: Memories associated with The rose bowl and the. COLISEUM and
Speaker 7: some fun games i think it's just kind of recalibrating
Speaker 7: and learning. Some OF these new opponents but i think
Speaker 7: it'll take a couple of, Years TO get there probably,
Speaker 7: and i.
Speaker 1: Said, THIS earlier like no matter i don't know how
Speaker 1: long it will take for me to be able to.
Speaker 1: Say you to A Microphone the home of west coast,
Speaker 1: football crumbled right, before eyes brick by, brick and not
Speaker 1: so like how? The Hell did that happen and i'm
Speaker 1: not one to sit here and place blame and believe that's.
Speaker 1: The way to do it we've all got to move.
Speaker 1: On and accept the reality but have you moved on
Speaker 1: from all of that or is there still part of
Speaker 1: you that, looks, back and you're like well how the? Hell,
Speaker 1: did that go.
Speaker 7: Down well that's part of me that's disappointed at. THE way,
Speaker 7: it went down i Mean it just is because utah
Speaker 7: was a very small part Of the, HISTORY of, The
Speaker 7: pac ten, pac eight pac twelve conference but it was
Speaker 7: a part of it and we got to. Experience it
Speaker 7: for thirteen years but it. Was such a Great Conference It.
Speaker 7: Represented THE western united states when i Was, growing up
Speaker 7: in the midwest You'd, look, west On a november Cold
Speaker 7: windy November day in kansas or nebraska and you'd see
Speaker 7: The sun shining in southern, california glistening off the helmets.
Speaker 3: And it was just cool but the history of that
Speaker 3: league just went poof into, the ether Because, of television
Speaker 3: because Of Fox because of the big ten basically coming in.
Speaker 3: And poaching it was money and at, the end, of the,
Speaker 3: Day it's sad and yeah, i've, moved on from it
Speaker 3: certainly but it was it was just such a cool
Speaker 3: Chapter of my, career and utah's you know football. And
Speaker 3: basketball and.
Speaker 7: Sports history it's a shame But Imagine that you're an
Speaker 7: Oregon State fan. Or A washington state fan but i
Speaker 7: won't even say That's it's imagine YOU'RE a. WASHINGTON or
Speaker 7: a usc fan i know plenty. Of friends that are
Speaker 7: fanan they're they're glad that they're schools, are in a
Speaker 7: good conference but they're not. TRAVELING the, games very much
Speaker 7: I mean imagine you're a usc fan and you've Got
Speaker 7: to go Play. In minneapolis in late october there's. No
Speaker 7: real grab to that but When, you went to play
Speaker 7: stanford Or, you went to play Washington Or You, came
Speaker 7: to salt lake city there was a. Little BIT more
Speaker 7: to it so, i think everybody feels it but even
Speaker 7: the schools that landed in good places.
Speaker 1: Kind of, Feel it too All right rob's last. Thing
Speaker 1: i'll set you loose we will not go game by
Speaker 1: game at home to get your. Take on the game promotions,
Speaker 1: we will not Do. That EVEN though it's june but
Speaker 1: i Will ask You cal poly ring of honor. NIGHT
Speaker 1: if it's. Been announced i haven't heard do you have
Speaker 1: any do you have any information on who Will be
Speaker 1: Inducted in the. RING of honor, this year i.
Speaker 3: Am waiting as you are spence to hear who Will
Speaker 3: be Going into that. RING of honor as well i,
Speaker 3: Think that announcement should probably i'm. Guessing probably, Coming.
Speaker 7: Pretty soon but yeah. I'm also waiting on it who,
Speaker 7: if you had your choice who Would you Put in that.
Speaker 7: Ring of honor This.
Speaker 1: Year it's tough because ronnie. Mack's got to go in.
Speaker 7: He, would be my First Again. THIS is just bill
Speaker 7: riley i, HAVE not on a, committee I have no
Speaker 7: Say but i think coach mack is so important to
Speaker 7: the history of this program as not just an assistant,
Speaker 7: coach but a head coach but also setting the culture
Speaker 7: and making. THE rivalry A rivalry again i would I
Speaker 7: would love, to SEE mac go in and i.
Speaker 3: THINK that would be great.
Speaker 1: I think that's The answer do you. Think urban have gets.
Speaker 3: IN that's, an interesting question i, mean obviously two unbelievable
Speaker 3: years but. IT was just two years, i think if
Speaker 3: he does. IT'S a, while from, now i think you
Speaker 3: know you've got, to put, In the McBride's You know
Speaker 3: whittingham when whenever kyle decides. To retire, something like that
Speaker 3: but yeah that's that's the interesting Question Because He dominated
Speaker 3: the mountain. West conference for two years but, it was
Speaker 3: just two years but he also played an. Important role
Speaker 3: In program, HISTORY and if i'm guessing i would say
Speaker 3: probably not just because, it was. JUST two years but
Speaker 3: interesting i.
Speaker 1: Would push for it only because those two. Years changed,
Speaker 1: everything they did you know did it set the course.
Speaker 1: For where we're at now say, what you want about
Speaker 1: him and there's certain things that are fair to, Say
Speaker 1: that you know what i'm gonna have to table, that
Speaker 1: because to your. Point that's a short window but really
Speaker 1: the broader point is. Those two years changed, everything he changed,
Speaker 1: the culture the muss uh the over your. Rival AND
Speaker 1: awesome Football teams but I Think. I'LL land on ronnie
Speaker 1: mack i think. THAT'S the answer for Me.
Speaker 3: I always say that.
Speaker 7: Ronnie Mack laid The foundation urban, meyer made Utah Football
Speaker 7: cool and then kyle whittingham just established the program as
Speaker 7: a team that could compete. Nationally And win Conference championships
Speaker 7: but urban made utah football, cool for Those Two years
Speaker 7: and then.
Speaker 1: Bill riley MADE it sexy. That's what, I, always say
Speaker 1: all right ryle we'll Set you. Loose for the tuesday hit,
Speaker 1: thanks for the inside man, be good. To chat. Soon
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Speaker 8: HAPPY tuesday were you sir i don't like the cave?
Speaker 8: Look you've built in here? Does this camera even? Work
Speaker 8: don't get sheets. Up don't, start, with me but okay okay.
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Speaker 1: off of, what i've done BACK here this is how
Speaker 1: i do to at least provide some sort of natural
Speaker 1: light in the ko. Slash jail cave slash jail they
Speaker 1: have put us in. For four hours every afternoon.
Speaker 8: It makes you feel like you're, doing something wrong in
Speaker 8: here and we all wanted to.
Speaker 1: Be, we are let's, be clear but uh yeah. We
Speaker 1: should probably move on this is a. TOPIC of consternation
Speaker 1: around here i don't, know why we've done. It but
Speaker 1: we've done it. It's good to see you how it's great.
Speaker 1: TO be here as well i can't really see, you
Speaker 1: because it's so dark but it's. Good to be, here
Speaker 1: enough by the way he did not.
Speaker 8: SEND me a reminder today i remembered all on my,
Speaker 8: own after justly blew me after.
Speaker 1: Bailing, on us last Week yeah.
Speaker 8: And Then now i'm just like i've taken it upon myself.
Speaker 8: To just remember all this just stop.
Speaker 1: Throwing him under the bus what? Do your oft last
Speaker 1: night why are you causing problems with your weekly HiT's.
Speaker 1: A long days even started. LET'S let's talk. About it, a,
Speaker 1: LONG day tell me actually i want to know what
Speaker 1: you've like starting. FROM when you woke up i. Want
Speaker 1: to know your day if you, SAY it's a long
Speaker 1: day i want, to know what you've done got.
Speaker 8: Up THAT'S that's the question although i. Did GO to
Speaker 8: the boat, now i, want the, breakdown go ahead got up.
Speaker 8: Did one of THE pelotons? WHICH one did. I do,
Speaker 8: i don't know come on, Just, take a good bike?
Speaker 8: Nope did the tread, well you have, two going took
Speaker 8: a shower went and met a friend for lunch at
Speaker 8: a LITTLE restaurant right near. The tv station at eleven
Speaker 8: then started Two Hours. Of interviews With kent crawford shout.
Speaker 8: Out kent for a position we, have got through all,
Speaker 8: those took a quick break ran down, to pick, up some,
Speaker 8: parts came back sat down and then REALIZED it's, four, O'clock.
Speaker 1: And i thought oh I'm going to be.
Speaker 8: On SPENCE some thirty minutes SO i got up and
Speaker 8: i walked down the street because we're right, down the
Speaker 8: STREET from. You and here i. Am, that's your long
Speaker 8: day well that three hour, Interview. Process was pretty long
Speaker 8: dave some people. Actually work for, a living, You got
Speaker 8: up you.
Speaker 1: Shower that's what, that is you got up, you got,
Speaker 1: on the peloton you showered you, met a friend for,
Speaker 1: lunch did a few. Interviews and walked over here. And,
Speaker 1: that's your.
Speaker 8: Long day YEAH that is and. NOW i was getting
Speaker 8: started I got a Whole Evening. I gotta, DO talking jazz.
Speaker 1: You know i always thought that you were. A man
Speaker 1: of the people. IT'S just, not very relatable i mean
Speaker 1: if you're going to, say that's your long day you're
Speaker 1: insulting the. Hardworking, people, of our community well.
Speaker 8: Anyway you're gonna make my evening Even Better because you'll
Speaker 8: carry talking jazz ten thirty.
Speaker 1: Five about you know. What let's get a tease?
Speaker 8: What are we doing tonight it's going to be this
Speaker 8: is a, well the, DRAFTS, coming UP. Of course nhl
Speaker 8: n nba we have a Special Pre. Draft edition OF
Speaker 8: talking jazz you. And i talked last night got a
Speaker 8: lot of things, to Talk about in there and. I'm
Speaker 8: excited to do that may have you touched A little,
Speaker 8: bit on the nhl thing but we'll focus.
Speaker 1: More, on the, jazz tonight okay fair enough unexpected busy
Speaker 1: day on. A number. Of different level we've taught there
Speaker 1: have BEEN three. Trades in the nba today we, have the,
Speaker 1: draft coming up of course a lot of conversation about
Speaker 1: what the jazz. May or may not do BUT news
Speaker 1: broke today the byu has Signed one OF. The top
Speaker 1: according to. Espn there are different rankings people. Get UP
Speaker 1: in their, fields so i. LOOKED two, four, to seven
Speaker 1: i like, okay whatever. Service you USE, that's Fine according
Speaker 1: to espn rider lines is one of the top five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks of. The twenty twenty six class he is the
Speaker 1: highest RATED recruit at that position byu assigned. Since two
Speaker 1: thousand and two and we're going, to, learn a lesson
Speaker 1: here Kids Because that quarterback was ben. Olsen who didn't
Speaker 1: pan out, he went on a MISSION, ended up transferring
Speaker 1: to ucla but he was a five star. Kid back
Speaker 1: in the day we were talking off, air and to
Speaker 1: your point we are not going to see, him until
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven and in between now and then. He
Speaker 1: will serve a mission the. Mission conversation, is, always interesting
Speaker 1: people say oh well they come back Men, and they're
Speaker 1: ready to well it's. Not really how it works but
Speaker 1: he will come back as a more mature twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one year old ready to play with four years. If
Speaker 1: he plays four years so it it does feel like
Speaker 1: this is the first football recruit that HAS been. Signed
Speaker 1: in the nil era that feels a. Little aj de
Speaker 1: bonsa ISH i've. Not seen an nil figure i'm sure
Speaker 1: that will. Be Reported at some point Jeff goodman reported
Speaker 1: the aj debonca figure of seven million dollars to play FIVE.
Speaker 1: Months of basketball for byu When you look at the
Speaker 1: baylor transfer and You Do the math with richie saunders
Speaker 1: coming back and a bunch of OTHER high, level players
Speaker 1: for byu basketball the reports are they're paying about thirteen
Speaker 1: to fifteen million dollars. FOR this roster this year i
Speaker 1: don't know. What the football number is, there's obviously far more,
Speaker 1: players so in, a Vacuum, THIS is like oh wow
Speaker 1: byu was able to lock in their, highest recruit THEY'VE.
Speaker 1: Had forever according, to espn with this addition they're now.
Speaker 8: About, a top thirty class yeah jumped up like fifteen
Speaker 8: spots with. An opportunity to move up the highest rated
Speaker 8: class they've.
Speaker 1: Ever had was. Twenty ten that was thirty so this
Speaker 1: is an opportunity for them to, have the highest rated
Speaker 1: class the highest, rated class They've ever had not. Just
Speaker 1: kialani by, football period and of story what do you
Speaker 1: make of today's tame to? HAVE going down in. Provo
Speaker 1: a couple, of.
Speaker 8: Things first of all and now the report's COMING out
Speaker 8: that the b yu did not offer Him as much
Speaker 8: money as oregon. And they still got him which is
Speaker 8: who reported THAT it's been on. A aa drew or
Speaker 8: something sources say someone who's carrying.
Speaker 1: The water forces say uh but then the second thing is.
Speaker 8: You GOT to remember this and i THINK the debans
Speaker 8: of the bonsa thing is, even wilder in my opinion
Speaker 8: because THERE is A. Connection to byu with, lions his
Speaker 8: father played. There his, sisters went there olds. Kid he's
Speaker 8: an eldest kid he's going. To go on, A mission
Speaker 8: by the way i have somewhere today i'd read something
Speaker 8: about he may.
Speaker 1: Not DO a full mission, like i saw that too
Speaker 1: like a. One year mission or no thank, you for,
Speaker 1: bringing that up because you as, a member of the community,
Speaker 1: can maybe, help me understand because look if the fourteen,
Speaker 1: MONTH thing was an option i. MIGHT have looked at
Speaker 1: you i didn't know that. WAS the deal for me
Speaker 1: i was like two years. At eight, NINETEEN years old
Speaker 1: no thanks. I got stuff to do? Is THIS the
Speaker 1: deal now like, i HAVE never heard this but.
Speaker 8: I do know this much if YOU if, YOU serve
Speaker 8: an lds mission i, mean you're not in.
Speaker 1: Prison you can COME home, Did, YOU serve i didn't dave,
Speaker 1: I was you know what i've changed. MY entire view
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 8: I walked into the front page disco, back in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Eight, and that was it okay. IT was over fair,
Speaker 1: enough i saw the. Dance. The, LIT dance floor fairness
Speaker 1: anyway i did not. Know that was a thing but.
Speaker 1: YOU certainly have that prerogative i don't what do you mean. Just,
Speaker 1: coming home and bouncing well sure they can't force.
Speaker 8: You, to NOT come home sure but i just want
Speaker 8: to know that conversation when you go in to meet with, your, ECCLESIASTICAL,
Speaker 8: leader AND say oh fyi, As i put these in
Speaker 8: i'm going to be popping, out at about fourteen. Twelve
Speaker 8: Fourteen months or, something BUT i've heard this and i
Speaker 8: don't know. Where THAT'S going to go but i. Found,
Speaker 8: that very very interesting man what a can of?
Speaker 3: Worms?
Speaker 1: That, Would open up huh porter can you effort sources
Speaker 1: at the church office building to help us understand why
Speaker 1: some kids are Serving fourteen months and other.
Speaker 8: I'm not, saying so the kids are But this kid's about,
Speaker 8: TO it, sounds like MAYBE.
Speaker 2: I, mean from what i understand, AND you, guys, know
Speaker 2: this i mean technically technically.
Speaker 1: This, Is, a voluntary mission. Well yeah that's my point
Speaker 1: you you can.
Speaker 3: Serve.
Speaker 2: These based on certain, dates it's just you, know part
Speaker 2: of the culture part of the norm to. Do, it
Speaker 2: for two years yeah but there, are female eight months
Speaker 2: apparently no rules to, shortening it for different circumstances even.
Speaker 1: IF you're not an athlete i just don't. Know if
Speaker 1: it gets. ONE that's a good point i.
Speaker 8: Just don't, think anyone's thought of it because it's just
Speaker 8: it's just been.
Speaker 1: Two years for a century it might be kind of
Speaker 1: brilliant if. His, kid's a, great Quarterback Hey you know
Speaker 1: like steve young always talked about how when, he considered
Speaker 1: serving a mission his ecclesiastical leaders encouraged him to pursue
Speaker 1: football because he could make a, massive difference, for the
Speaker 1: church YOU know. Being a great nfl. Player here's what
Speaker 1: we'll do I'M sure we have several lds. Leaders listening
Speaker 1: to the show you want to get one, of, Them,
Speaker 1: TO call in right well i want them to call
Speaker 1: in to tell porter we don't. Have callers on the
Speaker 1: show we're. Not that kind of show you can call
Speaker 1: in at eight seven seven three five three zero. Seven,
Speaker 1: hundred or text us okay what's the deal with this
Speaker 1: new dynamic where if, you can throw a. Football, You're
Speaker 1: only fourteen months yeah and do you have to let
Speaker 1: him know in advance or can you? Just when you've
Speaker 1: hit that do you give? Him a two weeks notice
Speaker 1: or do you send him to a mission where you
Speaker 1: know the MISSION president is a huge byu, football maybe
Speaker 1: and you're like just. RELEASE him after fourteen months i don't,
Speaker 1: think THAT'S how that works but i could know. How
Speaker 1: any of this works, this is by the way did
Speaker 1: you know church? Is only two hours now. It's, just,
Speaker 1: rand new religion. Yeah yeah you'd love it. Now, you
Speaker 1: should come, back well first. Of all let's, calm down
Speaker 1: second of all my son had a friend who was
Speaker 1: leaving on a mission. A couple of years ago, to
Speaker 1: your mission, or NO to your mission but, i, can
Speaker 1: remember he's like yeah my BUDDY. Just left for the
Speaker 1: mtc and then like, Two, Weeks later he's like hey
Speaker 1: i'm going to HAVE dinner at he's doing Mtc at
Speaker 1: his house and i'm going. To HAVE dinner with, him
Speaker 1: and i. Was LIKE wait a, second when i was
Speaker 1: young when your, friend went on, a, mission you, Were
Speaker 1: like well he's dead. I'll never. See him. Again that's
Speaker 1: over like, you you could write letters. And that's kind of,
Speaker 1: it there was no, email there's no face. Side there's
Speaker 1: no phone call it's like. An entirely different cultural experience
Speaker 1: my grandson did that when he went out to. Less than,
Speaker 1: a year ago and yeah the, first four weeks or.
Speaker 1: Whatever he was at.
Speaker 8: Home and get this generations, my he calls my daughter his.
Speaker 1: Mother.
Speaker 8: Calls him every week, now when you were younger and
Speaker 8: when my, son went out years ago you, Got two
Speaker 8: Calls A.
Speaker 1: Year christmas and mother's. Day you.
Speaker 8: Were in jail, that's it now they call. THEY talk
Speaker 8: every single week i always give. A, Bad, time about.
Speaker 1: THAT probably no it's. GOOD i think it's. Good i
Speaker 1: think it's positive like the mental, toll it probably would
Speaker 1: take probably help keep him. Out, THERE away from, everybody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: i truly remember like okay. Friend went on A mission,
Speaker 1: i'm never gonna i thought that's never. Gonna talk, to
Speaker 1: him again, and oftentimes by the, way that is what
Speaker 1: happened because you go. On, and do different things. Anyway
Speaker 1: we got completely doled.
Speaker 8: But, to some things up yes HERE there's a connection to.
Speaker 1: Byu with him that did.
Speaker 8: Not exist with the bands the fact that it's that
Speaker 8: there are reports out there that he's making less Than
Speaker 8: he would be at oregon doesn't shock me in THE
Speaker 8: least because.
Speaker 1: OF what i just said i just think. THAT'S the
Speaker 1: way it is i don't think you.
Speaker 8: CAN make the same comparison i think the sports world
Speaker 8: was Turned upside down when de bansa. MADE that proclamation
Speaker 8: on television i think we all a. Lot of people
Speaker 8: were stunned he.
Speaker 1: Did It ON. First take and steven a. Smith thought,
Speaker 1: he was crazy he's? Like what, do you mean he's?
Speaker 1: LIKE what do you he i think, he thought he
Speaker 1: was skiddy as if it wasn't. A serious piece of
Speaker 1: news but this is. Not the case.
Speaker 8: With lines it wasn't it i'm not trying to mission
Speaker 8: this is A, huge get for byu is but it
Speaker 8: doesn't shock. Me that they got him it just It,
Speaker 8: fits so good. For kilane good for them and these
Speaker 8: things always, kind of cracked me up because here's. The
Speaker 8: basketball and football ball football does take a little more
Speaker 8: time before you really.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 8: WHAT they're, Made Up now i mean Isaac wilson came
Speaker 8: to be utah immediately and then he gets thrust it
Speaker 8: right into it and we see how.
Speaker 1: Difficult that was, for him the ban say is only.
Speaker 8: Gonna be there one year we're gonna know everything about
Speaker 8: him in no time and.
Speaker 1: Then he's gonna, be gone yes like that and we
Speaker 1: kind of already do because he's. Such a well known kid,
Speaker 1: your point's a Good one BECAUSE you. KNOW ryder has
Speaker 1: byu connections aj has been on the radar of basketball
Speaker 1: people for three years and HE played a little high
Speaker 1: i don't know what to call what he did here
Speaker 1: at the school did apparently academy he's an accreditation before they're.
Speaker 1: Actually anyway, he played here but ultimately WHEN it comes
Speaker 1: to the i don't know, where you've read the information
Speaker 1: the rider's not GETTING as much money from byu as
Speaker 1: he Did. As he would for oregon But there's.
Speaker 3: In a d. News.
Speaker 1: Article look it, up stunning You Don't Say did the provo?
Speaker 1: Daily herald coroborate the sources you got to be hidden.
Speaker 1: Me because here's the deal let maybe he's getting. A
Speaker 1: few hundred thousand less he's not getting a tremendous amount Less.
Speaker 1: Than he would from oregon. IT was the same thing,
Speaker 1: i agree with you that But the narrative about de,
Speaker 1: Bonsen was the Same thing like oh b yu Didn't
Speaker 1: Step up, the way, north, Caroll Like stop it okay
Speaker 1: jeff goodman seven million dollars. FOR five months of basketball
Speaker 1: i don't understand why there is this like reluxed Reluctance
Speaker 1: to just embrace what i'll perceive to, be, your uncomfortable
Speaker 1: truth that yes you are. Paying these kids top. Dollar
Speaker 1: do your victory lap it's a GOOD thing. If you're a, Byu,
Speaker 1: fan why the pushback well they're framing it. As a
Speaker 1: whole new style you. NEED to read the Article i. Know,
Speaker 1: you're not desert news yeah let me get rid.
Speaker 8: Of they're framing it as a whole new. Style Of
Speaker 8: Recruiting and selling did? DICK harmon read the. Article i
Speaker 8: didn't even? Read who read? The article selling the culture
Speaker 8: and you.
Speaker 1: Know, those kind of things, yeah and you know what
Speaker 1: and process and, writing a massive nil chef all.
Speaker 4: The.
Speaker 1: Things can be.
Speaker 8: True spans it would not surprise me if He. Is
Speaker 8: getting Less than oregon but not, you're right to. Your
Speaker 8: point not substantially less if one team's offering let's just,
Speaker 8: throw out, an easy number ten million and, the everte is.
Speaker 8: Offering one that's a problem, but if it's you know
Speaker 8: a couple hundred grand off of multimillions probably.
Speaker 1: Doesn't really mean that much let. Me pull up this
Speaker 1: ARTICLE oh you? Know what i? Just saw who wrote.
Speaker 1: It i'm not reading that. That's, just he's carrying. Water
Speaker 1: okay like THAT'S dumb but. Here's where I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Here's what i WANT to but here's what i want.
Speaker 1: To talk to, you about because you, Know for a
Speaker 1: decade plus utah HAD. An innate advantage over. Byu and
Speaker 1: it was, this it was actually. Two, It was two
Speaker 1: tiered okay i've always said this the two Biggest seminal moments.
Speaker 1: For the Utah football program or this Kyle's Saying no
Speaker 1: it was Alma, mater and yes to Utah and then
Speaker 1: getting THE pac twelve, invite WHERE, byu did not and
Speaker 1: byu in a reactionary, move because it was. Reactionary elected
Speaker 1: to go independent throughout the course, Of those two Journey
Speaker 1: paths utah under coach wit was able to build the
Speaker 1: dominant program and dominated. Their rival for a generation because
Speaker 1: of that Advantage and because, of who kyle is Now they're.
Speaker 1: Both in the big twelve there's no advantage, one Way
Speaker 1: or the other except utah Is a. Full member and
Speaker 1: BYU's not. They will be next year they're, both in
Speaker 1: the SAME conference they, Both have p four access but
Speaker 1: it feels like the momentum is shifted down south as
Speaker 1: a result of the lds understanding of, the power of
Speaker 1: the purse, the members of the community and their understanding
Speaker 1: of how you can utilize that when the. Opportunity is
Speaker 1: presented to you the opportunity opportunity has not been PRESENTED
Speaker 1: and these powerful lds byu alums that have built big
Speaker 1: companies and MLMs and have cashed in to make a
Speaker 1: lot of money are now writing checks to support the
Speaker 1: athletic department that they, Love and that TO me dave
Speaker 1: has GIVEN byu an Advantage that i don't.
Speaker 8: Know utah has right, now and especially with basketball that's clear,
Speaker 8: because you hit that now what were you around thirteen
Speaker 8: million dollars or thirteen to fifteen off.
Speaker 1: Vestimates, for this year's roster yes and not to mention,
Speaker 1: where they're paying their coach who they just signed. TO a,
Speaker 1: massive contract extension i mean they still have to go out.
Speaker 1: On the court, AND deliver, but that team i mean it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's, They're stacked there They're loaded they're gonna be
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be that difficult to at least put
Speaker 1: a really competitive team. On, THE on the floor football
Speaker 1: i think.
Speaker 8: Is a little bit different you, have to, have, more
Speaker 8: players you know really you know that to.
Speaker 1: Make a team, a.
Speaker 8: Winner, and you, know we'll see you know the uth aren't.
Speaker 8: Having a terrible, recruiting year by the way they sign
Speaker 8: Said The SAFETY from tim.
Speaker 1: Fu nali i they got he.
Speaker 8: JUST committed, today AS well i Mean grant I, A
Speaker 8: great he's not lions. He's not at, that level but
Speaker 8: you know it'd be very soon to see when they
Speaker 8: start lining up and playing. How it, all pans out but.
Speaker 8: Yeah here's the funny thing Remember when they first signed
Speaker 8: dabansa and and they started talking about next YEAR'S team
Speaker 8: and all the nim money and then there was. A
Speaker 8: thought of a win are? They going to help football
Speaker 8: well that didn't take. Long IF that's The case but
Speaker 8: i still i'm going. To revert Back to this while,
Speaker 8: this lion's thing is huge they had a big advantage
Speaker 8: and more power TO them to get, an lds kid,
Speaker 8: who's great who's you know a top five quarterback and
Speaker 8: has a father who played down there and FAMILY members
Speaker 8: who went to, byu that that. Right there you haven't
Speaker 8: advantage all you really have to do, is not screw.
Speaker 8: That up, and it didn't and no.
Speaker 1: It's a really, GOOD point and you know byu has
Speaker 1: always kind of relied upon being able to attract as
Speaker 1: MANY as the top shelf lds. Talented kids as they
Speaker 1: can now they're never going. To attract all of them
Speaker 1: BECAUSE you can have An lds Experience, at the, university
Speaker 1: of utah you know you can have YOU can actually
Speaker 1: have an lds experience in a lot of places now
Speaker 1: in a way that you. Couldn't back in the day
Speaker 1: because the footprint. Of, the church has grown obviously there
Speaker 1: are ward. Houses all, over the place you know there's
Speaker 1: An institute Up. At the UNIVERSITY of utah but the
Speaker 1: byu experience IS unique juxtaposed any other lds. Experience you
Speaker 1: could have elsewhere there will always be. Kids who just
Speaker 1: want that AND there's been enough successful byu athletes who
Speaker 1: are now having children generation after generation that they will
Speaker 1: be raised. In kind of that ecosystem and, if you
Speaker 1: just want. That you just want that but you can't
Speaker 1: just rely. On getting all of them, BUT a kid
Speaker 1: like This I, Said This, about britain covey BRITAIN, covey
Speaker 1: like if You're Byu you cannot let britain. Covey out
Speaker 1: of your backyard and a kid like this like if
Speaker 1: you CAN lock, in the best lds talent you can
Speaker 1: throw punches with any of the. Best schools in the
Speaker 1: country you. Can't Only rely. On it and colonnie doesn't but,
Speaker 1: this does, Feel Significant today quite frankly and i'm. Not
Speaker 1: diminishing that.
Speaker 8: At ALL it, absolutely does like i mean, we got
Speaker 8: to be patient wait and see when he.
Speaker 1: Gets out on the field but and.
Speaker 8: You don't think about this You Get, a call from
Speaker 8: danny ainge You Get, A Call, from taysom hill steve
Speaker 8: young and.
Speaker 1: That's in the, same article by the. WAY you did.
Speaker 1: READ it i knew. It, I was on tour look.
Speaker 1: I very much DID not i promise. You I didn't
Speaker 1: read it so i Just Tried to at the desk
Speaker 1: news website and my computer gave. Me the middle of,
Speaker 1: crash it just was? Like what are you doing. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work for me that would be great if it.
Speaker 8: DID that instead of crashed. I, don't have access anyway
Speaker 8: yeah there's just a lot of things Working in their
Speaker 8: Favor and i'm, happy for. Kilanie for sure you know
Speaker 8: and it's gonna be a lot of fun to see.
Speaker 8: Where it goes from here and. Don't forget this could
Speaker 8: snoway you talked about. Them being at thirty one now
Speaker 8: their highest. Class ever, was ranked thirty but this these
Speaker 8: kind of things tend to, you have a snowball effect
Speaker 8: and we'll.
Speaker 1: See, What happens, TO it yeah and look i, want
Speaker 1: to be very clear what honestly is offensive to. Me
Speaker 1: is when people lie i'm. Not even saying you're. Denying
Speaker 1: you're lying to me when you say it's not about the,
Speaker 1: nil checks that you're. Writing you're lying to me and
Speaker 1: when it says not about the POWER of the purse
Speaker 1: that byu has and they're utilizing. And CAPITALIZING on this
Speaker 1: opportunity but i KNOW it's Not. Only that i love
Speaker 1: kalani he's, A Friend Of. The show ay rod jay they,
Speaker 1: have a great coaching staff they have, a great game
Speaker 1: day experience, they have a great history and they. Do
Speaker 1: have A great CULT sure and writer and aj will
Speaker 1: develop as People and Young. Men under kevin and klonnie
Speaker 1: but don't tell me that intertwined into the tapestry is not.
Speaker 1: The checks that YOU'RE writing it just is i don't
Speaker 1: know why we have to deny that where it has
Speaker 1: to rely on COLUMNS from a b y U reporter
Speaker 1: from the d news that is carrying water for the
Speaker 1: school that. Is owned by the church you don't.
Speaker 6: The.
Speaker 1: Church, school brought that up oh it's just easy to
Speaker 1: draw the, Lines and what's happening here like do they
Speaker 1: get phone calls to say please write this?
Speaker 8: TO distract a phone call. I think it's just innate.
Speaker 1: They own the school in the paper man like it's the.
Speaker 1: SAME thing, IT is anyway i mean. I really struck
Speaker 1: a nerve i think we're. Going to change tonight's show
Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about don't be. Writing practices
Speaker 1: of the News just don't tell Me i'm. Not seeing.
Speaker 1: WHAT i'm seeing it's insulting i. Get what you're saying
Speaker 1: there there may be a, little bit of difference there
Speaker 1: but it's. Not the focus of this tell ME this
Speaker 1: by any before i set you loose and. We'll get
Speaker 1: one more Teas do You Feel like utah and utah
Speaker 1: athletics are in at least a SIMILAR call to sac
Speaker 1: to byu with their financial resources to, take advantage of
Speaker 1: THIS opportunity because that's what i, Think. The bigger story is.
Speaker 8: DAVE that's a tough one i know when the recent
Speaker 8: hearings were finally determined, A Week or two ago mark,
Speaker 8: carlan came out and said.
Speaker 1: This is a great. Day this will equalize stuff. It doesn't.
Speaker 8: TOTALLY equalized stuff it helps I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: That, Byu doesn't have the sorry.
Speaker 8: Utah doesn't have that capability YOU talked about all that LDS.
Speaker 8: Money that funnels into byu.
Speaker 1: There's plenty Of. It that goes into.
Speaker 8: Utah you said it yourself you know their head coach
Speaker 8: is AN. Active member of the. Lds, CHURCHILLS their defensive coordinator,
Speaker 8: sure i Mean you know it's just. I'm hard pressed
Speaker 8: to believe you talked about people lying that they they
Speaker 8: can't compete on, par just with the money and.
Speaker 1: It becomes, About, other things all right david let's get
Speaker 1: a tease ten. Thirty five cam with you? What Have
Speaker 1: got coming up.
Speaker 8: Utah jazz draft is tomorrow spence is gonna. Break it
Speaker 8: down to you he's gonna. Give, you his top five
Speaker 8: Also who he likes the jazz to draft and who
Speaker 8: knows it may not even. Be in his top five
Speaker 8: there's a difference between your top five and who you
Speaker 8: would like to see. In that number five? Position will
Speaker 8: There be? Trades why Has bailey dropped? Why has edgecomb
Speaker 8: moved up all those questions are going to be. Answered
Speaker 8: by one spence check its might even you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Have to do a little research on.
Speaker 8: This check the d news do might EVEN just, briefly
Speaker 8: address the nhl draft?
Speaker 1: Which begins two days. LATER we CAN do that i
Speaker 1: was i. KNOW you're a hockey guy i was On
Speaker 1: A zoom call. With bill armstroana twelve thirty where were
Speaker 1: you lunching with a? Friend during your long day? FIRST,
Speaker 1: of my, multi interviews, O my gosh all right. Dave
Speaker 1: seen a, few, hours hey See You buddy the great,
Speaker 1: dave Fox Ten thirty five cam yu tonight we will
Speaker 1: catch a quick break and we'll do the five. O'clock
Speaker 1: hour of the program it's, been a, busy news cycle
Speaker 1: of course We've Talked a lot about rider lions committing,
Speaker 1: to play for byu oh. We Have Some breaking news
Speaker 1: boston atlantan brooklyn are finalized in a Three team Trade
Speaker 1: that sends kristaps for zingis and a Second, Round Pick
Speaker 1: to The hawks terrence man in atlanta's Twenty, second pick
Speaker 1: To The nets and the Mini Vans on the move
Speaker 1: george niang and A second Rounder to the celtics as
Speaker 1: boston continues to shed salary randomly Busy day On. A
Speaker 1: random tuesday in june, nba offseason is just beginning but
Speaker 1: the player movement that was rumored. Appears To be very Real.
Speaker 1: JORDAN poole, is a. PELICAN. Cj mccollin excuse Me. Cj
Speaker 1: McCollum is a Wizard. Kristaps Porzingis Is a hawk terrence
Speaker 1: man atlanta's Twenty. Second Pick to the nets George. Niang
Speaker 1: Goes to the Celtics Former jazz man obviously desmond baine
Speaker 1: Is A Member of the magic kevin durant Is A.
Speaker 1: Member of the houston rockets so. Already Five pretty significant
Speaker 1: deals drew holliday also has Been Shipped Out. To The
Speaker 1: portland trail blazers the jazz have not gotten involved, in
Speaker 1: any of these transactions but maybe tomorrow. Will bring something
Speaker 1: PRETTY exciting, if, you're an nba fan Tonight, It's kind
Speaker 1: of Like. Christmas eve love the draft we're gonna. Have
Speaker 1: great covers for you guys before we. SAY canight's start
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Speaker 1: fox was in studio we summoned the help of the
Speaker 1: community to help us understand why THERE'S this new dynamic
Speaker 1: with lds missions where apparently if, you can throw a
Speaker 1: football you're only asked. To serve for fourteen months were
Speaker 1: you enlightened at all? By, either texters or. Callers, no you,
Speaker 1: Were not.
Speaker 2: No no one no one had any. Any real input
Speaker 2: on this let me give. Our, texters, one more chance yeah.
Speaker 1: No any Feedback at all angry people usually a text line.
Speaker 1: Is full, of angry.
Speaker 2: PEOPLE yeah no no anger i think folks, are just
Speaker 2: surveying this situation not sure, what TO think. About it
Speaker 2: which i. Understand it's a new world we're in the
Speaker 2: landscape of college football.
Speaker 1: And recruiting and the like it is. A new world
Speaker 1: For sure so Congratulations to kailani AND a rod and
Speaker 1: the byu football program for locking in this young man
Speaker 1: their highest rate to recruit at the quarterback positions. In two,
Speaker 1: THOUSAND and two all RIGHT i Will Be on tv
Speaker 1: with dave fox TONIGHT. Ten thirty Five. Km yu it's
Speaker 1: talking jazz we're gonna do a lot of draft prep talk.
Speaker 1: About some, Of, these prospects all right porter will We
Speaker 1: be talking about the? Jazz making a move tomorrow Or
Speaker 1: we talked about the jazz standing pat at five and making?
Speaker 1: THEIR pick WHERE they're at.
Speaker 2: I Think i think that the jazz are going to.
Speaker 2: Make the number, five pick that being said if there
Speaker 2: were a team to trade, OUT of the top five
Speaker 2: i Do. BELIEVE it is the jazz i think that
Speaker 2: if a certain collection Of picks go ahead Of Utah
Speaker 2: and say in ace bailey is the guy that. IS
Speaker 2: available at number five i know we've heard kind Of
Speaker 2: on both Spectrums The jazz thoughts on ace bailey potentially
Speaker 2: being really high on and potentially being kind of low
Speaker 2: on him. BASED on some certain things i think, that
Speaker 2: if there's, a team, say you know top ten That Is,
Speaker 2: really Into, an ace bailey a conkkinipple whoever may, BE
Speaker 2: available there at Five i don't think the jazz would hesitate,
Speaker 2: to move Off Of, that take an Igor Demon take
Speaker 2: maybe a conk, nipple if he's, still, available and you
Speaker 2: know oh maybe we'll take another second round, pick from
Speaker 2: you as well just to facilitate moving back a few
Speaker 2: spots and getting a different guy that. WE'RE just as
Speaker 2: comfortable with i could see that Very well being what.
Speaker 2: The jazz end up, Doing, but as you know spence
Speaker 2: to make a, deal happen on trade day there is
Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts and usually usually more than
Speaker 2: two TEAMS In A lot Of nba draft day? Deal so,
Speaker 2: will IT happen likely not But i could see the. Jazz,
Speaker 2: doing it for.
Speaker 1: Sure reminder, when we say goodn tomorrow we WILL Move right.
Speaker 1: INTO our nba draft coverage i, will Be Anchoring the
Speaker 1: Coverage And, richard smith and gordy chasa a combine a million,
Speaker 1: Years experience in pro basketball we'll. Be along for The
Speaker 1: ride and then On thursday night it'll be Smithy and
Speaker 1: myself for a ROUND Two and then the Nhl, Draft
Speaker 1: Comes away on friday Fun Week on the show fun.
Speaker 1: Week in the Com Community porter before he saga night
Speaker 1: will come To our way on a wednesday edition Of
Speaker 1: the show On A.
Speaker 2: Wednesday edition of, the drive as you MENTIONED We're going
Speaker 2: to cover nba. Draft And, Go From there craig Bowler
Speaker 2: Jack voice of The Utah jazz stops BY neil Smith
Speaker 2: talking some nhl. Draft We're hoping for one TIM Bond
Speaker 2: Temps for the NBA Daily assist, on an nba draft
Speaker 2: day and then we talked a lot About. BYU's newest,
Speaker 2: COMMIT writer lions of course Aj debonsa A lot of
Speaker 2: team down south. Elements On the show today spencer linton.
Speaker 2: Will join, the program tomorrow.
Speaker 1: All right there we Go join. Us for a WEDNESDAY
Speaker 1: show We'll sag and I reminder I'll Be on tv
Speaker 1: with dave. Fox tonight ten thirty five cam w? Are
Speaker 1: you talking, Jazz Special, Thank you today zach, Harper tim.
Speaker 1: MCMINNIMATE excuse me tim McMahon i JUST combined, Two of
Speaker 1: our nba guests tim mc Minim minim his name is
Speaker 1: tim McMahon would. Be a Good Nba reporter It Would
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