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Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for checking out going deeper.

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I'm your host, Matt. I've got a great show planned

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for you tonight. You'll know my next guest from her

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appearances on such websites as many VIDs and clips for sale,

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and you can find links to all of our social

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media in the episode description below as always, or you

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can go to ined Valentina dot com for links to everything.

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But I also want you to check out I want

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Valentinafox dot com as well as Valentina Fox on loyal Fans,

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ladies and gentlemen, join me in welcoming the very lovely

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Valentina Fox. Valentina. How are you tonight?

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm good. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good? So Valentina. Look, I'm a little embarrassed to

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say this, but I'm mixed up this booking, and if

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you're on the show, you're you're either one of two

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types of guests. Can I try and figure out which

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guest you are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Go for it?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Okay? Are you okay? Are you the girl that's

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like cock hungry, gangbang loving, uber submissive lives to like

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serve and please. Man would rather drown and abukaki than

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die peacefully in your bed and surrounded by loved ones.

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Are you that person?

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Speaker 2: Or no, no, that's not me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then you're the influential fendom and fetish model

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whose world famous femdom video strike fear and pump blood

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into the erections of all of your loyal subordinates. Is

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that correct?

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Speaker 2: That sounds more okay?

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Thank you for playing along, Valentino Fox,

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I admitted this beforehand. I'd like to tell the audience too.

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I've done a lot of these interviews at this point,

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and so many women will say, oh, and I fendom too, Oh,

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I do fendom stuff too, And I interview pros, I

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interview some performers who are still less than a thousand followers, right.

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I don't know if I know what fin dooming is

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from the outside, as a guy who's married a long time,

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everything else, not necessarily looking to the outside for anything

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else except to watch a ton of porn while she's sleeping.

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That's fun. A findom to me is I text you

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and go, Valentina, how much can I send you right now?

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And you go one hundred? And I go, would two

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hundred be okay? And you say no one hundred and

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I go okay, one hundred, send it over. What is

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a findom? Walk me through what an actual I have

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a real live findom, not someone who says they do fendom.

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What is a what is finndomi?

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Speaker 2: So finndom stands for a financial domination. It's it's it's

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a kink within the femdom fetish. So femdom is female domination.

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So basically the fetish of having your money or finance

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controlled by a woman. This looks a lot of different

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ways though, for a lot of different people, And honestly,

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there are very few submissives who are truly just into findom,

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Like that's why you know, I like, I think most

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sex workers also do kind of interact with finn subs

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or pay pigs or whatever they want to call themselves.

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Like I know a lot of strippers or porn stars

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or just only fans girls like you said that get oh,

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I want to serve you. I want to serve you

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those kind of messages as well. So it can like range,

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like it can range from like complete control over a

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sub's life to like setting their allowance for groceries, like

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taking basically everything that isn't essential money and like building

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them a really strict budget. So it can be that

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kind of fine financial control, or I can go all

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the way to like a financial ruin fetish of like

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subs want to completely empty out their bank account. Yeah so,

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and it can be and but a lot of the times, honestly,

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I think it has gotten a little confused now because

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so many people are trying to do it, and some

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people think that it's just expensive femdom basically like doing

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a femdom session, but just charging a lot more from

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it for it. So I guess some people would consider

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it that.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, it kind of varies.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a red line? Maybe you don't, And

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that's fine. I will always say this, as long as

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everyone's over eighteen and there's no dogs in the room,

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I don't give a shit what anyone does with anyone anytime. Okay,

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is do you have any kind of line or have

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you crossed over from finndom into finn ruin or financial ruin?

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Have you done that on anyone in the past.

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Speaker 2: I definitely have financially ruined a couple of people. It's

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hard to say though, honestly, how many actually, because a

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lot of subs it is just a fantasy. And the

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ones who are smart enough to understand that it's just

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a fantasy, a lot of them will set up like

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another bank account, and they'll have like their like allowance

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basically for findom in that bank account, and they'll be

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sending me screenshots of that bank account saying I want

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you to take everything from me, and then maybe I

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zero that account. But that's not actually.

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Speaker 1: All of it. It's not. Yeah, they're not going into

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foreclosure next month because of that, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have also ruined themselves financially without me even

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being aware of it, and they just weren't communicating where

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they were at financially, and then like four or five

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months into our sub relationship, they're like, hey, I actually

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have to stop. I can't pay my bills and blah

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blah blah, I'm behind on Brent. So yeah, I mean

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not they don't all communicate well to me.

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Speaker 1: But okay, so let me ask, then, are you your

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own personality, your own set of morals, your own all

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of that? Are you okay ruining a guy knowing you're

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ruining a guy, actually ruining a guy? Taking the fantasy

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out no separate bank account you're ruining a guy.

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Speaker 2: I guess it depends. I have one sub that I

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would say is pretty ruined. But I mean he lives

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with his mom, so like it's not like he's like

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homeless because of it. You know, he just can't move

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out of his mom's house, all right.

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Speaker 1: Like many of my listeners, that's not a problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean to an extent, like I definitely

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have had subs that were clearly like using me as

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a form of self harm, and that made me uncomfortable. Sure,

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so if it kind of gets like too like self hating,

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then I usually draw the line or we'll just stop responding.

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But a lot of the videos that I make and

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a lot of the subs that I have are really

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into the ruination fantasy. Like I literally just looked over

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and got a text on my laptop as I was

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saying that that said please ruin me from one of

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my sobs, so.

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Speaker 1: So oh shit, I was so fascinated by I literally

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lost my question. So is okay, I don't want to

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talk about that quite, but is there ever any so

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if i'm your, if you're my fendom, i'm your what

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is the term? Would I be your slave? Would I

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be your servant. Do you have a specific one? Are

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there levels to it? Like? Can I work my way

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up to a slave from a servant?

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Speaker 2: I would say, like a sub is kind of what

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I call like everyone, but like a slave is someone

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who serves me.

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Speaker 1: And serves you. Would I mean, how is that is

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that any different? I mean they're specifically sending stuff to

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you or you requesting stuff from them, or so.

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Speaker 2: I am known for my clips, so a lot of people.

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A lot of my money that I make I make

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through my clip sales. So some people will just engage

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with me that way, and they'll just buy my clips

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and then they'll kind of pretend to have a session

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with me through my clips. The next step would be

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like contacting me, paying to talk to me, doing a

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Skype session or phone call or something like that. So

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I will like Skype session, do like a chat, video session,

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video response session. I mean with pretty much anyone who's

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respectful and who pays for it. They don't have to

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actually serve me or have any relationship with me. They

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can just pay, tell me their fetishes and we'll have

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a session. But I don't consider those my my subs

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or my slaves. Like they're just kind of you know,

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they're horny, they hit me up, they want to have

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a second. They're not really serving me versus someone who

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approaches me and is like, I want to dedicate myself

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to you, goddess. I want all of my money going

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to you. I want you to make a budget for me.

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I want you to put me in chastity or like

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something like that where they're only paying me. They're only

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serving me, and they're like, you know, sending for like

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my breakfast or like buying gives off my wish lists

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like doing things more for me, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, main okay, mainly dedicate it to you. Yeah, that

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makes that makes sense to me. So so I just

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want to make this clear. Right, Let's go back to

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my scenario. I have approached you, you have accepted me

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as a sub, and whatever, I will never likely unless

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I go to some event somewhere in high five you

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touch your hand, right, I want to make that clear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends. I do session occasionally in person with subs.

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I have a you. It's less common for me now

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because I don't really need to do that. So if

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I meet up with a sub, it's someone who they've

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paid me for a while online. We've probably skyped a

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bunch of times or talked on the phone, and we've

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kind of gotten to know each other and I like

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want to meet up with them.

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Speaker 1: Sure, So then I don't.

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Speaker 2: Do like if someone just emails me wanting to book

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a session like an avenge or something, I don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's why I was going to ask, did

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you start with doing actual physical domination or do you

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still do physical domination? It sounds like you might where

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you let me ask you, do you do physical domination

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as well?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm very picky. It's just what it is.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand. I get that. Yes, yeah, we're not

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picking you to dominate us. You are picking people to

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dominate right, Yeah, it makes total sense to me. Did

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you find it? Did you start that way or did

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you start online?

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Speaker 2: I started online and I live in LA now. I

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was in New York when I started, And I did

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meet up with people for like cash, meat, shopping trips

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things like that when I first got started, and then

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I started doing sessions a couple months in. But yeah,

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I've never like worked in a dungeon like, I've never

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really I don't consider myself like a pro dom.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, okay. I was going to ask if you

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get more out of hitting a guy's bank account for

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the day or hitting them with something real hard ideally both.

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Speaker 2: Like cash meet with a ball busting session, so like

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meet them at the ATM, give me a thousand dollars

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and then I'll kick you in the balls.

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Speaker 1: What has been requested of you that you have said No,

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I cannot do that because it would go against your brand.

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But maybe it just waded too deeply into the waters

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for you.

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Speaker 2: There's been a bunch of things, I mean, like subs

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have it requested, like really intense impact play sessions with me,

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which like I don't really feel comfortable doing.

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Speaker 1: Because can I impact play like whips.

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Speaker 2: And floggers and depending like like light impact play. Yeah,

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but like I I don't know, It's just not really

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my thing and I haven't been trained on it in

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a dungeon to where I would feel comfortable doing that

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to like the extent that some people have asked read

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into it. Sure, Yeah, there's really not much I feel

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like I have I've turned down. I do turn down

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a lot of in person sessions, but mostly just pickiness.

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I really love like public play like I really love

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like having someone like lick my shoe on the street,

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or like like I have a video that went like

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kind of viral on sex work Twitter that was like

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me sitting on someone on one of the streets in

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New York and he's like on his hands and knees,

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and I was like, I'm tired and just wanted to

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sit down waiting for my uber. And I walked by

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as I'm talking at a video and he's like, simp. Man,

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that's a fucking simp right there.

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Speaker 1: And if he was allowed to talk, he probably would

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have said, I'm actually a sub, thank you, not quite

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a simp. I remember a video maybe last summer, maybe

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two years ago, of this this beautiful African American woman

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walking to middle aged white men on leashes around It

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might have yeah, oh okay, yeah yeah yeah, it might

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have been. But I just I was like, man, those

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guys are really into it, are the guys? You see.

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I have a theory on this. I think Barack Obama

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is a sub.

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Speaker 2: You know, I really would not be surprised by most

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politicians to find that out.

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Speaker 1: I think, I think, but it's not I know, it

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sounds like I got real political on that. Weell, let

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me talk you about Barack Obama. Now, I meant more young,

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virile men who are in positions of power. I think

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they want the reverse sometimes in the bedroom. Is that right?

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Speaker 2: I think it's like definitely both. I think people when

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I tell them what I do, they either think that

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they're like, oh, I bet you get a lot of

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powerful men, or the other half of people are like,

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oh I bet they're all like weird losers, And honestly,

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they're both right. It's really a mix. Like it's like

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like some of the some of myselfs are CEOs or

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lawyers or doctors, and they're have really high stress jobs

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and they have a lot of employees and they're the

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boss all the time, and so they want the power exchange.

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Or guys that are really attractive and they've never been

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told no, they've never had a problem getting women, so

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they kind of want that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's me. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: And then there's also guys like losers in their mom's

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basement that are like exactly what some people think would be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I found one that was a little closer to

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my personality than Okay, all right, I'm three on that one. Uh,

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let me ask you this. Though you can be a weird,

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dopey loser to be a sub for you, what I

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assume you can't be is fucking broke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't be broke, and you can't be rude,

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like rude fair, Yeah, like you have to be respectful

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like and yeah, I like because it is funny because

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a lot of you know, I would say a lot

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of my subs are like losers, Like they're like forty

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year old virgins, or like I've never kissed a girl

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in their life, or you know, like they are like

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losers by definition, but they're very respectful, like they're very sweet,

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they're constantly trying to do things to improve my life

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or whatever. And then like the other side of that

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coin is like the in cells on Reddit who are like,

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fuck these only fans of girls. Will we haven't pay

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for anything. There's free porn everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Both it's those same guys who switch over to their

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alt accounts and see a video and go od fuck

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are better? It's like, oh, would you Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Would you?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you would? Yeah? Uh So how do you

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weed out? Uh? I don't mean, well, this is your job.

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You're mean to guys. So it's okay to say this.

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How do you weed out the broke fucking losers?

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Speaker 2: They kind of weed themselves out usually, Like I have

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a fifty dollars initial tribute, so just to talk basically,

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think of it as like a consultation fee, like for

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me to talk see if it could anything could work

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if someone tells me that they want to serve me,

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Like I said before, I do one off session, and

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so I'll do that and then they don't need to

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like it doesn't really matter how much money they make

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if they can just pay for that one session. If

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someone wants to serve me though, then I have a

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sub intake form basically on my website and I ask

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what is your monthly income and what are your monthly bills?

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And I do turn down subs that I'm like, you

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have one hundred dollars to spend a month Like this

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is not it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Right, you can you can message me twice yeah your shot?

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Yeah yeah, yeah, you know what, but go buy some

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of the videos. Okay, go buy something. No, that's what

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I say.

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Speaker 2: I'm like a better I think you know you can't

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afford like a one on one relationship so just keep

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buying videos or keep saying subscribed and or you can

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maybe buy like one session or something.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Uh, I have to say, the quality of your

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videos is top not shit really, the lighting, the coloring

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I love. I don't know that it's called this. What

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is the hypno effect on your voice on some of

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your videos? It's just an echo like a reaverb yeah

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yeah yeah. And is that meant as like a hypno

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thing or no? Yeah? So I definitely have interviewed someone

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who did hypno stuff.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I love like the mind fuck hypno

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like brainwashing kind of is okay?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Please please talk as much as you can because they

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don't want to hear me, they want to hear you.

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What is the hypno stuff?

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Speaker 2: Hypno stuff is kind of just what it sounds like.

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So like I make some videos that are like, well,

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technically we're not allowed to say hypno or brainwashing on

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any of adult sites, so you can't search it by that.

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It'll be under like mesmerize o like mind melt, mind

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fuck something like that, gotcha, And you know it can

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just be like I have some videos that are basically

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like meditational videos, and they're like really relaxing and me

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telling you to breathe in and out at like certain

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times and just like relaxing music and things like that

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to kind of get you more comfortable. And then I

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have ones that are like more like brainwashing type of things,

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like like you said, with the echo, maybe with like

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some spirals and just and that can be like you know,

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they have like feminization type of ones, or they have

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like findom ones, Like there's some really good ones even

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that I've seen on YouTube that are just like very trippy,

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with like lots of layered audio, and they're kind of

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like like you're you're nothing, You're an object for me.

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You're an object for me.

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Speaker 1: Like so when designing something like that, like I mean

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literally just it's so funny. I'm sure people tune into

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the show to hear me be like, so do you

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like getting gang banged? And it's like no, no, no, no, no.

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Here's what I want to know. Is there a refrain

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of words in quote unquote mesmerized videos like are you repeating?

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Maybe not through the entire video, but do you come

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back to something? You are a loser. You are a loser,

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You're pathetic, your bubba, you are a loser. You are

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a loser.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so I might. I like to layer the

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audio a lot too, So I'll put like like layers

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of me, like whispering it and being like your like

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in the background, and maybe like moans as well, or

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like I really like to do like really overstimulating videos

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when it comes to the mind fucked mesmur So, I'll

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have like the screen flashing to a bunch of different

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things of me and different outfits, or like last year

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I did a bunch of clips that I was like

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cutting up my old clips and turning them into like

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a new like a clip of like a bunch of

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clips all caught up together. Yeah, so it is like

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in different outfits and like kind of saying the similar

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things though in all of them.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. You get the eye level right too.

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That would be real creepy where I'm just staring at

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you and if everything switches but you're almost saying the

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same shit all, I would think I was all fucked

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up if that happened. Uh uh So do you have okay,

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do you have like editing history? Did you take any

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classes on and did you do anything or did you

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just did it because you sawid and you decided this

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was gonna be your career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've kind of just learned it as I've gone

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along with it. I started editing on with like iMovie,

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like the free one on Mac, and then now I

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use Final Cut Pro. But yeah, the first like year

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and a half or two years, I was just on iMovie.

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Speaker 1: I I mean, I'm not joking. Maybe it's the equipment

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you use, the coloring on your videos, like there are

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a million of those. JOI this that like the just

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talking to the camera. I don't know if that has

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a specific name. I'm non POV okay, okay, but then

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POV would be for the other terms I would I

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guess I would say more. But your stuff, which is

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femdom POV is just it's like higher quality than a

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lot of stuff I've seen where it almost looks like

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movie quality stuff. And I'm just I'm a little stunned

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that you don't have an experience. I always tell new

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girls who are getting important, if they are going to

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go to college, get a marketing degree with a fucking

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minor in Adobe Photoshop, and yeah, Premiere, final cut whatever

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you're gonna use, right.

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Speaker 2: I wish I knew Adobe.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's all I use. But it's a

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hassle sometimes. Yeah, marketing wise, how do you market yourself?

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Because it seems like you're in a very large but

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narrow niche, right, how do you market you? Do you just?

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Do you do stuff on fat life? Do you? I

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don't know. I would. I didn't even know how to

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market you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Honestly, I have the mindset that I can find

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subs everywhere, and I really have. Like I've met people

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at parties that ended up being my sub. I've met

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people on dating apps, like people have messaged me on

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my vanilla Instagram. I started on Twitter, and that's like,

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I guess my primary platform for marketing because I don't

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have a work Instagram. I have a TikTok too. TikTok's

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definitely good. I put some of my videos up on

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porn hub for free, so porn hub is definitely a

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good one.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: I don't really like bet life. I find that a

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lot of people on there don't want to pay.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Uh.

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Speaker 2: Same with Reddit, like a lot of people on Reddit.

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I know it's well, I know it's now we've getting

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even harder with the NSFW things on Reddit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very much so.

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Speaker 2: But I just a lot of the threads that I

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was seeing before specifically don't don't want anyone posting about

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findom in there. They don't want anyone posting like if

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you're trying to get money at all. They don't want

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like you posting payment links in there, Like you can

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post a photo of yourself, but you can't post any

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like links to anything. Just a lot of things like that.

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When I first got started, I honestly found a lot

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of people on dating apps and a couple like fetish

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dating apps. There was one I don't even know if

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it's still around. It was called like kin ku or

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something like that. Okay, it's like the worst spammiest app ever.

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I don't recommend it to anyone, right, but no.

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Speaker 1: One believed you were a real person, this beautiful profile

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picture and it's just like get the fuck out of here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I I Yeah, A lot of people called me

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a bot, but I but it's fair because like I

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would say, like of a hundred messages that I got

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on that website, like ninety of them would be bots,

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of like the the like fake sugar daddy bots, you know,

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like the message baby like just I'll send you at Amazon,

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get card or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You have to wonder if any of the bots are

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communicating with each other within that, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, Like I talked to some of the subs that

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I did find on there, and they're like, oh, yeah,

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I was just getting like hot girl bots. I'm like,

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I'm getting these like old man bots.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect. You said something in there that that raised

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a little bit of interest. What is the difference, And

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I know there is a vast difference, but what are

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the main differences between a finn dom and what is

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it a sugar baby looking for a sugar daddy?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, just the power dynamic. Honestly, I guess.

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Speaker 1: It's a total reversal.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, in some ways, like financially it might be similar,

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but as far as like the power dynamic, yeah, because

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in a sugar baby sugar daddy relationship, the sugar daddy's

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in control and the sugar baby's there to like, you know,

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please appease them and please them. And yeah, it's reversed

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with this sub.

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Speaker 1: With the sub sure, so it's only really the power

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dynamic though the money is still going from the guy

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to the girl. This and that makes sense. I read Okay,

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by the way, when you were explaining where everything is,

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I'm on your allmilinks dot com slash Valentina Fox. I've

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never seen a girl with a Bitcoin or an Ether address,

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and I fucking love that. I love not even because

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I'm some big crypto guy. In fact, I was buying

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bitcoin very early and I sold too late. No, I

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sold too early. But what I will say is so

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many girls don't realize women. I should say. I should

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really stop saying girls I apologize, uh, don't have all

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of their bases covered on all of their stuff, like

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your shit is all right here. I see some big

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name stars who don't even have a link tree or

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anything like that, and it's like, what are you doing?

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Did you do research before coming into this or how

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much did you look or did you just jump in

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feet first and you were gorgeous and lucky and talented

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and everything worked out great.

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Speaker 2: So I actually I was a little bit involved in

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the industry before I was a sex worker. I was

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a makeup artist in New York, so I worked for

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a few companies that worked with a lot of sex workers.

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So I didn't make up for a lot of sex

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workers before I was actually in the industry, So I

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kind of I saw a lot of people's pages beforehand.

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I definitely knew how to make good content because I

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have a lot of like experience on professional sets. But honestly,

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when I first started, my content was not good. I

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was using lots of like Snapchat filters and like iPhone quality.

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I guess I just I feel like I kind of

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learned as I went. I bought a lot of courses

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over the years, and like watched a lot of videos,

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and like, I've yeah, I've paid for so many different

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people's classes or wow, yeah, even people that I think,

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even people that are like newer in the industry. I'm

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just always curious, like to hear other people's tips and

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like what works for them.

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Speaker 1: Well, the newer people in the industry could be bringing

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in a new trend as well, you know, like ten

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years ago or whatever it was when we got a

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big like milfinflusion because everyone was fucking their step cousin,

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neighbor dog not dog. Uh so, did you you never

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had a desire to be on the other side of it, though,

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to be performing in front of the camera with another

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performer or uh.

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Speaker 2: No, not really, I don't know. I kind of got

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into the phenomen thing kind of naturally through someone that

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I was friends with, someone that I went to high

519
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school with actually was my first sub, so we were

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playing for like a year. I had like kind of

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seen it online. I knew what it was. I'd heard

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of it, and he's the one that like pushed me

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to get into like making a dumb Twitter and like

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being like more professional with it. But yeah, I never

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really considered poorn.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, if you weren't doing this, would you be just

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a successful mat not just I apologize for saying that,

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but a successful makeup artist? Is that where you would

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have stayed or did you have other ambitions aside from that?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? I don't know. I probably would have gotten into modeling.

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It's I had like started doing like some modeling, but

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I don't know. Honestly, I probably would have ended up

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on like OnlyFans or something similar if I hadn't found findom.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cause you were just I mean, you were comfortable

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around the industry obviously, and you're gorgeous, so it's like,

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fucking why not make some money? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, That's exactly how I felt when I was

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like doing other girls makeup and they were Most of

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the girls I met were like, yeah, you should totally

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get into it.

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Speaker 1: And then you found a lane where you get to

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be mean to men and they pay you for it,

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which sounds like the coolest lane ever. Do you ever

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get bored with it? Though? No?

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Speaker 2: It is interesting?

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I think that's fair. What's coming up

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in the future for you? Uh? And let me ask you,

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how often do you put out videos? Do you put

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them out when they're done or you on a schedule.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be on a schedule.

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Speaker 1: We're all trying to be on a fucking schedule. Yes.

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Speaker 2: My goal is like three to four clips a week,

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so usually like three yeah, and I usually do Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday.

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It's been kind of off this year, but marking get back.

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Speaker 1: But you have you have content out there, so go

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find it.

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Speaker 2: I have like six hundred clips at this point.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that all? Okay? Well, I should finish that

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over the weekend. I want valentinofox dot com if you

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do want to pick up her clips and loyal fans

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Valentina Fox right, Yes, okay, good, just.

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Speaker 2: Just just checking loyal fans as well.

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Speaker 1: And loyal fans. Yes. Wait did I say OnlyFans, No, you.

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Speaker 2: Said yeah, loyal fans. I just got live stream on

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loyal fans.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, I apologize, I hear it. Okay, okay. So

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in the future, what is coming next? Are we just

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going to continue growing this brand and doing Is there

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any other There's no other? Is there any other ambitions?

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Maybe bringing mentees under you to mentor them, or I

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don't know if.

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Speaker 2: I would do like a mentor thing. I would love

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to have like my own studio, like my own film

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studio one day, or like my own like production company.

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Speaker 1: Would you just want to shoot the type of content

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that you shoot here, or would you be open to

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trying to shoot other types of things?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I would definitely be open to shooting like more

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vanilla porn too, or like other other types of porn,

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because yeah, I do. Just I love like set design

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and stuff, and I love like lighting and outfit planning,

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like I love everything that goes into like making a shoot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I saw a really interesting clip on your

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Twitter account. As I try and find it, I can't

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find it. Fuck it uh where I'm positive it's happened

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a million times before. But I love the concept of

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this and I'd never actually seen it before, and love

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the video wasn't necessarily my preference. But what I will

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say is I love the concept. You had a video

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of you in the center. I don't believe it was yours.

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I think you retweeted it. You had a video of

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you in the center and you were talking and there

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was a trans woman on either side of you who

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was stroking her giant woman dick and uh. I love

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the idea of a mashup of a non nude along

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with some kind of nude. Like again, not for your art,

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but if I saw a girl getting gang banged and

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then she was dirty talking into the screen next to me,

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I feel like that's the next evolution. As our brain

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stopped being able to process one thing at a time

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and have the requirement to process six, seven or eight

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things at a time, I'm gonna need at least four

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screens of porn like I do for football every Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and honestly and I do. I really

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I have a collab I need to. I've been working

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on a collab with a porn star, so it would

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be something similar to that. But I really would like

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to do a lot more collabs with porn stars and

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stuff and making content like that, especially because gooning has

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gotten so big for femnom stuff and for normal porn,

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Like that's like the main like crossover. And I do

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a lot of videos about porn addiction, so it just

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kind of fits perfect.

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Speaker 1: Are you mocking for porn addiction or are you Okay? Okay,

615
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I saw one of your videos, and this is how

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twisted my brain gets, and I have a personal story

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to it, so I I'm allowed to make this joke.

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But I saw one of your videos on many VIDs

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titled fuck recovery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For half a second though, I was like, is she

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telling people to go drink again if they're alcohol Like,

623
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my brain just went nuts. I thought it was like, hey,

624
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fuck recovery, Get out there, hit the bottle. Yeah, jump

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behind the wheel your car. See what happens baby, roll

626
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the dice. I understand it was means a different thing.

627
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What does fuck recovery mean?

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Speaker 2: Fuck recovery means fuck trying to quit your porn addiction?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, so that's okay. So you were

630
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you were the problem then when all these conservatives and

631
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Christians are on my Twitter and they're going, like, the

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First Amendments so important, get rid of porn.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to make a political but let's be honest.

635
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There's that's what I see on my Twitter. Yeah, yeah,

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First Amendments the most important thing in the world. Also,

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get rid of poor and this artis shouldn't be able

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to express yourself in any way whatsoever?

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Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, exactly, But yeah, I mean I make videos

640
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like making fun of that too. Like I have videos

641
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like aimed at the in cells and I'm like, oh,

642
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,719
women like mirror everything that's wrong with society.

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Speaker 1: You know what, honestly, And I'll tell you this and

644
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we we'll wrap on this one more question for you.

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But I read it years ago when I do my

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comedy show as well as the show. If you want

647
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to check that out people, it's in the episode description.

648
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But we got two in cells to come on. I said,

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you don't have to show your face, you can just

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talk to us. We'll just have a normal conversation. And

651
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that sounds hilarious. And it is a comedy show. Do

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you know what happened at the end of it, those

653
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,280
guys became somewhat huge humanized and I felt for them

654
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,280
and it felt like they just had anxiety problems, and

655
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they tried to troll right off the bat. The guys like, oh,

656
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wall and you just have people like me, and my

657
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,719
co host shut that down and say, hey, cut the shit, bud,

658
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let's talk about real stuff. So I assume though a

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lot of the guys who are buying the in cell stuff,

660
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some of them are probably in cells who you are insulting,

661
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and they secretly kind of like it, think it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have actually a bunch of content aimed in cells.

663
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I have like it's not even a real category yet,

664
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I would like to create this category, but called hate stroking.

665
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So kind of like the clip I just said, like, oh,

666
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you hate me so much, you hate girls like me,

667
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everything that's wrong with society, Life's not fair, blah blah blah.

668
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,920
But here you are watching my videos buying another one.

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You can't stop. You always come back.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, h are a female supremacist. Yeah,

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it's risky in twenty twenty four attaching supremacist at all

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to your name, So I'm going to give you credit

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for taking a chance on that one. Now, does that

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mean you hate men?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you just think every woman on the face of

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the earth ever born is better than even the best man.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, I would say just generally, I think women

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are better better leaders. I don't hate men, though I'm

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not a misandrist. I think that men have their place,

681
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like I think my subs that are good boys are great,

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and I think that men that are respectful are great.

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I just think that the world works better when women

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are in charge.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, men read carry in the groceries. You're good

686
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:57,519
to go. I want valentinofox dot com on Loyal Fans,

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Valentina Fox. I need Valncealentina dot com. Guys, go to

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the episode description. I'm going to have links to everything.

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If you're some fucking crypto nerd, which I would have

690
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been if I had held it long enough. But I

691
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fucking sold to buy a Honda Civic, so fuck me.

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00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,360
It's I was about, you know what bitcoin price is.

693
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I was buying it at one hundred and forty dollars each.

694
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It's around seventy thousand each right now. Yeah, I'm gonna

695
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hang up and tie in noose. Uh So, ladies and gentlemen,

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my guest tonight, Valentina Fox, thank you so much for

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coming on with me. Valentine, I really appreciate the time

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of course,