Speaker 1: Welcome to Political beat Down. I'm Ben Marcellis, joined by
Speaker 1: Michael Cohen. We've been covering the civil fraud case against
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, brought by the New York Attorney General, Letitia
Speaker 1: James on behalf of the people of the state of
Speaker 1: New York. Donald Trump showed up for two and a
Speaker 1: half days of trial yesterday at lunch, he basically fled
Speaker 1: back to Florida after whining and complaining and having a
Speaker 1: gag order imposed on him because he threatened Judge Arthur
Speaker 1: and Goron's law clerk. What is interesting, and I did
Speaker 1: a hot take with Michael Cohen about this, but I
Speaker 1: want to see if there's any developments as well as
Speaker 1: that in the five hundred million dollar federal case that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump filed against Cohen, that Donald Trump so desperately
Speaker 1: try to avoid having his deposition taken. Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: his lawyers represented to the magistrate Judge Torres and to
Speaker 1: the federal judge presiding over that case in the Southern
Speaker 1: District of Florida that Trump would be in the New
Speaker 1: York Attorney General civil trial the entire week. So Donald
Speaker 1: Trump wow lied again. It turns out to the federal
Speaker 1: judge in the Southern District of Florida. Michael Cohen, you
Speaker 1: spoke to me yesterday and said that you and your
Speaker 1: lawyers may bring that to the attention of the judge
Speaker 1: in the Southern District of Florida, that Donald Trump misrepresented.
Speaker 1: Where do we stand there, and where do we stand
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump's deposition that you're ready to take on
Speaker 1: October ninth. Is Donald Trump complying with any other aspect
Speaker 1: of that deposition date?
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing when it comes to that, there's
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind that Judge torre is in
Speaker 2: the Southern District of Miami or already knows that Donald
Speaker 2: has returned to Florida. It was clearly all over the news,
Speaker 2: you can't miss it, including the front page of so
Speaker 2: many different newspapers. So I have spoken with my counsel
Speaker 2: and right now they are working on some documents within
Speaker 2: which just to advise the court of this issue. But
Speaker 2: truth be told, we're not even really interested in what
Speaker 2: would happen based upon Trump's misinformation or lies to the
Speaker 2: court about his necessity of being here in New York
Speaker 2: for this ag trial. Rather, what we're looking for is
Speaker 2: come Monday, that Donald appears for the deposition pursuant to
Speaker 2: the court order, which would be the third time that
Speaker 2: it's noticed for his deposition. As of right now, all
Speaker 2: indications are that he will be here in New York
Speaker 2: for the deposition, but then again, you know that's just speculation.
Speaker 2: Clearly you'll find out. We'll be talking about it live
Speaker 2: again on Tuesday. In terms of some of the outcomes
Speaker 2: of this, of this deposition, and you know, my suspicion
Speaker 2: is really that he does not want to either sit
Speaker 2: for this deposition, and I can assure you he certainly
Speaker 2: does not want to sit for this specific New York
Speaker 2: Attorney General trial. He doesn't want to take the stand,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that he regularly states that he does.
Speaker 2: You know how many times have we heard where Donald
Speaker 2: wants to take the stand. I would do it, but
Speaker 2: my lawyers have advised me not to. If that's the
Speaker 2: recommendation that he's getting from his counsel, and he has
Speaker 2: three of them here, If that's the joint recommendation of
Speaker 2: his counsel, I personally hope to God that he starts
Speaker 2: to listen, even though I call them the C team.
Speaker 2: That would be the best advice that anyone could give
Speaker 2: to him, simply because when the guy speaks, he implicates
Speaker 2: himself truth be told. In this specific case, he don't
Speaker 2: even need him to implicate himself. There's more than enough
Speaker 2: documentary and testimony to do that for him. My personal
Speaker 2: opinion is that he's already thrown his hands up in
Speaker 2: the air and he knows that he is going to
Speaker 2: lose this case. Right now, all he cares about is
Speaker 2: trying to preserve his rights on appeal, knowing that the
Speaker 2: case is not going in his favor. All he's thinking
Speaker 2: about now is how to make this into some sort
Speaker 2: of a political circus, how to somehow figure out how
Speaker 2: to continue to fundraise off of this trial, and most importantly,
Speaker 2: how to attack witnesses like myself so that one maybe
Speaker 2: something comes out that he might be able to use
Speaker 2: in this five hundred million dollar lawsuit against me, or
Speaker 2: that he could use as some reason that the appellate
Speaker 2: court should overturn whatever judge in Goron's ruling is going
Speaker 2: to be. Right now, he's not thinking about anything except
Speaker 2: for the appeal. I mean, I know exactly what's going
Speaker 2: on in his mind when he threw his hands up
Speaker 2: in exasperation yesterday. We all anybody that knows him already
Speaker 2: knew that he's basically fed up. He's had enough of
Speaker 2: this case. He picks himself up, he gets back onto
Speaker 2: his plane, and he runs back to his safe place.
Speaker 2: Right he's running back, so to speak. He's running to
Speaker 2: his mommy, which is really Mara Lago, and all of
Speaker 2: the sycophantic fools that are running around the place, you know,
Speaker 2: calling him miss the President. And every time that they
Speaker 2: you know, that he walks into the room, they all
Speaker 2: get up and start to cheer and clap for him.
Speaker 2: That's what he needs. He needs the accolades of the crowd.
Speaker 2: He wasn't getting it here in New York, and he
Speaker 2: for sure wasn't getting it in the courtroom. So what
Speaker 2: does he do? Pick yourself up and flee like the
Speaker 2: you know, like the coward that he really is.
Speaker 1: He lasted two and a half days in a court
Speaker 1: room where people who are litigants to cases. It's work,
Speaker 1: you have to sit there. He represented to a judge
Speaker 1: that the federal judge presiding over the case where he
Speaker 1: sued you, that it was indispensable. Is what his The
Speaker 1: exact words his lawyers used to the federal judge in
Speaker 1: the Southern District of Florida and Miami Division four. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump to be there, but he just left, and you
Speaker 1: mentioned that he's got the C team of lawyers. First
Speaker 1: thing I want to mention before going into the Sea
Speaker 1: team of lawyers is I am increasingly feeling like we
Speaker 1: may not see Donald Trump ever show up at that
Speaker 1: New York Attorney General case period that he's going to
Speaker 1: invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination and he's
Speaker 1: not going to sit there. He's not going to testify.
Speaker 1: And he basically spent the two and a half days
Speaker 1: whining so that he could throw up his hands, and so.
Speaker 3: The judge treated me unfairly. I'm not going to get
Speaker 3: a fair shot, so I got to invoke my Fifth
Speaker 3: Amendment right against self incrimination. The judge already predetermined. I
Speaker 3: thought he was actually going to testiment. He testified at
Speaker 3: a deposition where he did horribly and he basically said
Speaker 3: that he's got worthless clauses that allow him to defraud everybody.
Speaker 3: He claimed he's never like looked at the statement of
Speaker 3: financial conditions.
Speaker 2: When he clearly did. He blamed it on Eric.
Speaker 1: He said the Saudies will buy his property for anything.
Speaker 1: He you know, just basically admitted.
Speaker 2: I think that Jeff mcconnie was on the stand today
Speaker 2: and the whole issue of his triplex was an issue
Speaker 2: that came up, and he then turned around, and I
Speaker 2: think something that because I was reading it online in
Speaker 2: in an article, somebody put out that mcconnie stated that
Speaker 2: Trump did have the final look, review and approval right
Speaker 2: on these financial these statement of financial conditions. I don't
Speaker 2: remember if I saw it in a paper, or maybe
Speaker 2: I saw it here on my Instagram TikTok or my Twitter.
Speaker 2: Well X as they call it now, I don't even
Speaker 2: know what to call that, you know, X. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's It's certainly not something that I would think if
Speaker 2: you were Trump's lawyer. I don't believe Ben, that you
Speaker 2: would recommend to him, knowing who he is as a client,
Speaker 2: knowing how he doesn't tell the truth, knowing how he
Speaker 2: either over exaggerates or puts his own foot in his mouth,
Speaker 2: that you would recommend to him that the smart thing
Speaker 2: for you to do in this case is to take
Speaker 2: the trial. He doesn't have to. It's a civil trial.
Speaker 2: And so if he does take the stand and he pleads,
Speaker 2: the fifth Judge and Goron has the absolute right within
Speaker 2: which to infer guilt. He can infer whatever he wants
Speaker 2: as a direct result, and that is not an appealable
Speaker 2: issue simply because he took the fifth. And again, this
Speaker 2: is a civil case. You know, the fifth is really
Speaker 2: designed to prevent you from incriminating yourself in you know,
Speaker 2: in a criminal case, not in civil so and Goron
Speaker 2: would have the right to look anyway that he wants.
Speaker 1: To add that, you mentioned Jeff mcconnie, who is Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's controller of the Trump organization, or should I say
Speaker 1: was the controller, because we knew that he testified in
Speaker 1: the Manhattan District Attorney's felony criminal case against the Trump organization,
Speaker 1: where the Trump organization was swiftly convicted of over a
Speaker 1: dozen felony counts. Mcconnie, we know from the jury in
Speaker 1: the case against the Trump organization the jury hated him.
Speaker 1: They thought he was a liar, they thought he was
Speaker 1: further incriminating himself. They hated him. He was one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why they came to the guilty verdict. So
Speaker 1: I knew mcconnie was not going to be helpful to
Speaker 1: the Trump organization here. Mcconnie starts off by saying that
Speaker 1: he got a five hundred thousand dollars severance to basically
Speaker 1: leave the Trump organization. He's not gotten paid the full amount.
Speaker 1: Trump still owes him money, to which mcconnie says, it's contingent.
Speaker 1: So the New York Attorney General's lawyer said, contingent on what,
Speaker 1: and mcconne's like, oh, I don't know. Being alive, which
Speaker 1: you know, shows the credibility as there. Then this was
Speaker 1: the point shout out to Jose Paglieri's in the courtroom
Speaker 1: doing some great reporting, and I think it's important that
Speaker 1: we give him the credit for these up to date moments.
Speaker 1: And Paglieri says, while reviewing the contract between the Trump
Speaker 1: Org and the outside accounting firm Masers, who Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: lawyer yesterday spent the whole day attacking the outside accountant
Speaker 1: trying to blame them. Mcconnie conceded that the disclaimers, the
Speaker 1: so called worthless clauses, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: lays all the blame on Donald Trump. So the question
Speaker 1: from the New York Attorney General was, mister mcconnie, so
Speaker 1: those disclaimers, they placed the burden squarely on Donald Trump's shoulders, correct,
Speaker 1: to which mcconnie donald Trump's controllers said correct, yes. And
Speaker 1: then at further evidence was presented of the Independent Accountants
Speaker 1: compilation report. But ultimately where the valuations were changed is
Speaker 1: that there was an interlineation on the top right that
Speaker 1: says Donald J. Trump to get final review. So ultimately,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump tries to claim that he knows nothing about
Speaker 1: these financials and mcconnie just basically right there destroyed all
Speaker 1: the points Trump was trying to make yesterday. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I think one of the reasons Trump left was, yes,
Speaker 1: there was a gag order imposed on him, Yes he
Speaker 1: had a temper tantrum, but today was the day where
Speaker 1: damaging smoking guns were introduced to show the wannabe emperor
Speaker 1: has no close that he's not worth as much money.
Speaker 1: The whole scheme was presented today. He didn't want to
Speaker 1: be in court where he was being humiliated with the facts.
Speaker 1: That tells you a lot about him. I want to
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on that, Cohen, and then I also
Speaker 1: want to talk about though this motion to stay that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's lawyers want to file. They want to stay
Speaker 1: the current trial based on the judge's partial summary judgment
Speaker 1: ordering the Trump organization dissolved. But we'll get there in
Speaker 1: a moment. What are your final thoughts on mcconnie, And
Speaker 1: then I want to talk about how bad Trump's lawyers
Speaker 1: are for filing this motion to stay late again.
Speaker 2: They don't know what they're doing. Yeah, So, look, Jeff
Speaker 2: mcconnie was not an executive. He was an assistant controller.
Speaker 2: He works solely for Alan Weiselberg. I explain this, of
Speaker 2: course to the various different law enforcement agencies that questioned
Speaker 2: me when they're trying to understand the structure of the
Speaker 2: Trump organization, how it works. He's actual a pretty decent guy, mcconnie.
Speaker 2: And I don't he wasn't going to lie. You know,
Speaker 2: one of the things that I'm sure he was prepped
Speaker 2: to do, which is not to drop the boom, but
Speaker 2: to try to say things in a way that gives
Speaker 2: Trump some sort of a wiggle room out not when
Speaker 2: you have the prosecutors who you have on the side
Speaker 2: of the Attorney General, asking very specific and very direct questions.
Speaker 2: You see. The problem with this c team of Trump's
Speaker 2: is that they, along with Donald and everybody else that's
Speaker 2: advising him, right now, they all think everybody else is
Speaker 2: stupid and that they're the geniuses in the room, when
Speaker 2: in fact it's obvious the other way around. Is what
Speaker 2: really exists the problem that they now have, As you
Speaker 2: just appropriately stated, mcconnie's statements are corroborated by probably a
Speaker 2: half a dozen to a dozen people that will be
Speaker 2: called as witnesses, including you know, they just finished a
Speaker 2: two and a half day two and a half days
Speaker 2: of Donald Bender, who's the accountant for masers. Two and
Speaker 2: a half days they had this poor bastard on a stand.
Speaker 2: I think it's disgraceful, to be honest, there is not
Speaker 2: that much information that is necessary. A lot of it,
Speaker 2: again was bravado by the Trump team for the sole
Speaker 2: purpose of just making this into a shit show, which
Speaker 2: is what they want to do, fundraise off of it,
Speaker 2: which is what they are doing. And I feel kind
Speaker 2: of bad for Bender being on that for two and
Speaker 2: a half days. But one thing for certain was Bender
Speaker 2: explained that whole worthless clause the disclaimer, and the disclaimer
Speaker 2: is not for Trump. The disclaimer is for the accounting firm.
Speaker 2: That basically what it really says is that this is
Speaker 2: not obviously an audited financial and that you know the
Speaker 2: information was provided by the client, but it cannot be
Speaker 2: relied upon because it has not been audited or checked
Speaker 2: by the accounting firm, et cetera, et cetera. I wish
Speaker 2: I actually had one in front of me. Next time,
Speaker 2: maybe on Tuesday, I'll have the original one in my
Speaker 2: possession and we could go through it. But the disclaimer
Speaker 2: is not anything what Donald or his counsel are claiming
Speaker 2: it to be. That's just not what it's about. More importantly,
Speaker 2: that's not even the basis of the case he could
Speaker 2: make it. Just again, it's a defense that they are
Speaker 2: already telegraphing that they intend on using. I don't think personally,
Speaker 2: and I think most pundits that I've seen so far
Speaker 2: believe the exact same thing that I do, which it
Speaker 2: is not exculpatory for trump Umps responsibility or liability in
Speaker 2: this specific matter.
Speaker 1: We have some breaking news I want to report right now.
Speaker 1: This is a scoop from ABC that months after leaving
Speaker 1: the White House, Donald Trump allegedly discussed sensitive information about
Speaker 1: nuclear submarines with a random member of his Mara a
Speaker 1: Lago club. We will be updating you more on that,
Speaker 1: but this just broke. We will keep you posted, and
Speaker 1: I think there is no.
Speaker 2: I don't mean, I don't mean to break in here,
Speaker 2: but I feel I have to. One of the things
Speaker 2: that I warned everyone, not just from House Oversight, but
Speaker 2: all the way television. I remember sitting with Joey Reid,
Speaker 2: with Reverend al with Ari Melbur, with Alison Camraada, you
Speaker 2: name it, how many people I sat with, and I said,
Speaker 2: you're all looking at the wrong thing. Okay, Yes, we
Speaker 2: know he has these top secret documents. We know that
Speaker 2: they have now been taken as result of the subpoena
Speaker 2: of the warrant that was executed on mar A Lago.
Speaker 2: That's not the more dangerous thing that we should all
Speaker 2: be talking about. What we should be talking about is
Speaker 2: while these documents were in his possession, who saw them,
Speaker 2: what did he do with them? Who has copies of them?
Speaker 2: What they needed to do. And this is the example
Speaker 2: that I gave, kind of like the game Where's Waldo?
Speaker 2: They need to think. They need to go back literally
Speaker 2: to the day after he left the White House, and
Speaker 2: they need to examine his flight records as to where
Speaker 2: he went, and then from there they need to figure
Speaker 2: out and this is a full time, full time job
Speaker 2: for not one person, but a whole team to figure
Speaker 2: out his itinerary, who he met with, and so on,
Speaker 2: and start to speak to those people about what information
Speaker 2: that Donald showed them, that they talked about, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Because the most important thing, the most important thing is
Speaker 2: not locking up Donald. That will happen potentially on its own.
Speaker 2: The most important thing is our national security and who
Speaker 2: knows who he showed what to and how that information
Speaker 2: that has been leaked or sold or given away for
Speaker 2: whatever reason it might be, places all of us, places
Speaker 2: our country at risk. These are the important things that
Speaker 2: we need to know right now. And the fact that
Speaker 2: the Biden administration is not all over this, the fact
Speaker 2: that Congress has not asked for some sort of a hearing,
Speaker 2: the fact that the DOJ is not pursuing this area,
Speaker 2: to me, it's abhorrent. There is no reason in the
Speaker 2: world why they should not know every single place that
Speaker 2: Donald went that they should not know the names of
Speaker 2: every single person that Donald spoke to. We do as
Speaker 2: a country need to know exactly who he spoke to,
Speaker 2: exactly what he showed them, because this example is what
Speaker 2: I spoke about two and a half years ago. Two
Speaker 2: and a half years ago, I said, rest assured. Donald
Speaker 2: cannot keep a secret, not if he thinks that it
Speaker 2: could benefit him personally. I'd love to know the name
Speaker 2: of the marro Lago member, because chances are I may
Speaker 2: know who that person is, and I may know what
Speaker 2: that person might have benefited from having that information. This
Speaker 2: is really no joke. You never know what Donald is
Speaker 2: going to do. Remember that he doesn't care about the country,
Speaker 2: He doesn't care about the American people, and he certainly
Speaker 2: doesn't care about selling giving whatever it might be, this
Speaker 2: top secret information to one of our country's adversaries, especially
Speaker 2: because he's mad at the country that he wasn't reelected,
Speaker 2: that he lost to Joe Biden, who he refers to
Speaker 2: as the loser. You know, of course, we know piden ion,
Speaker 2: and he's willing to allow the country to get burnt
Speaker 2: down because of his anger and because of the way
Speaker 2: that he feels he's been mistreated.
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair with the Department of Justice, they
Speaker 1: are pursuing this and from the outset, they have been
Speaker 1: pursuing all of the people who Donald Trump may have
Speaker 1: shared this information with. That's how they were able to
Speaker 1: identify it. We're learning about this now because Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is filing a motion to try to delay the trial
Speaker 1: in the Southern District of Florida, arguing that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have all of the SEEPA Section four documents Classified Information
Speaker 1: Procedures Act documents. Jack Smith doesn't want to share about
Speaker 1: a handful of those documents, even in a skiff with
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's lawyer, like the nuclear records, likely because the
Speaker 1: fear is that you can't even show Donald Trump these
Speaker 1: documents because of the exigit exigen circumstances that would be
Speaker 1: caused the danger and threat he poses. So Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is trying to get a continuance. He filed a motion
Speaker 1: to continue trial, acting like Jack Smith has to show
Speaker 1: him the nuclear records again, and Jack Smith's like, no,
Speaker 1: Section four of SIPA says, I could request from the
Speaker 1: judge a summary. Don't have to show all of these documents.
Speaker 1: That's why I think the timing of this is coming
Speaker 1: out now and as the breaking news story is hitting
Speaker 1: the wire. Here's what we're learning in Cohen. Let me
Speaker 1: know if you know this individual, an Australian billionaire, a
Speaker 1: member of mar A Lago by the name of Anthony Pratt,
Speaker 1: who runs US based Pratt Industries, one of the world's
Speaker 1: largest packaging companies. In those interviews, Pratt described how, looking
Speaker 1: to make conversation with Trump during a meeting at mar
Speaker 1: A Lago in April twenty twenty one, he brought up
Speaker 1: the American submarine fleet, which the two had discussed before,
Speaker 1: sources told ABC News. According to Pratt's account, as described
Speaker 1: by the sources, Pratt told Trump he believed Australia should
Speaker 1: start buying its submarines from the United States. The United States,
Speaker 1: to which an excited Trump, leaning toward Pratt as if
Speaker 1: to be discreet, then told Pratt two pieces of information
Speaker 1: about US submarines, the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads
Speaker 1: they routinely carry and exactly how close they supposedly can
Speaker 1: get to a Russian submarine without being detected. And emails
Speaker 1: and conversations. After the meeting with Trump, Pratt described Trump's
Speaker 1: remarks to at least forty five others, including six journalists,
Speaker 1: eleven of his company's employees, ten Australian officials, and three
Speaker 1: former Australian Prime ministers, sources told ABC News. While Pratt
Speaker 1: told investigators he couldn't tell if what Trump said about
Speaker 1: US submarines was real or just bluster. Investigators nevertheless, nevertheless
Speaker 1: asked Pratt not to repeat the numbers that Trump allegedly
Speaker 1: told him, suggesting the information could be too sensitive to
Speaker 1: relay further. ABC News was told by sources. So if
Speaker 1: you think about there, Donald Trump just gave away sensitive
Speaker 1: information that could lead to millions of Americans getting killed
Speaker 1: by revealing our defensive readiness and our defensive posture of
Speaker 1: our nuclear submarines, you know, with respect to Russia, based
Speaker 1: on our alliances with Australia, and all of our secrets
Speaker 1: are getting out there. And yet the maga Republican morons
Speaker 1: are inviting this guy back to the House of Representatives
Speaker 1: where he led an insurrection. Are you freaking kidding me?
Speaker 1: Like has all legacy media? I know, Oh, the Republican
Speaker 1: Party at this point has just embraced this maga trader
Speaker 1: putin puppet label. But when I'm reading this, and the
Speaker 1: reason I waited just a little bit going to even
Speaker 1: share all of that with you was I had to
Speaker 1: read it like ten times and it didn't compute in
Speaker 1: my mind that this could be real. So I went back,
Speaker 1: I went back and I said, he shared with a
Speaker 1: random person at his club our nuclear secrets about how
Speaker 1: we can defend ourselves to Russia. Imagine what this freaking
Speaker 1: trader was saying at Helsinki to putin, he probably gave
Speaker 1: the whole game away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Ben, one of the things that I had
Speaker 2: said before, and it's one of the things that I
Speaker 2: love about political beatdown, and it's something that you and
Speaker 2: I constantly refer to. You and I do not agree
Speaker 2: on everything, and we're not supposed to, and we can
Speaker 2: still have a civil conversation. This is what is lacking
Speaker 2: right now in our government. Two and a half years ago,
Speaker 2: I'm going to repeat myself on this. Two and a
Speaker 2: half years ago, I turned around and I made public
Speaker 2: statements that there is no doubt in my mind Trump
Speaker 2: has shown and spoken about these top secret documents to others,
Speaker 2: and it is imperative that our DOJ does something to
Speaker 2: find every single person that he spoke to and understand
Speaker 2: exactly what he told them so that we could ensure
Speaker 2: national security to this country. Two and a half years later,
Speaker 2: we have an article that corroborates my feelings, the belief
Speaker 2: that I had we should be further. And when I
Speaker 2: mean further, I'm talking way further down the line, because
Speaker 2: it is our national security, and there is nothing more
Speaker 2: important than American security. It is the single first import
Speaker 2: that a president is responsible for, and that is for
Speaker 2: the safety of all Americans. That is really the job
Speaker 2: of the president of the United States, and the administration
Speaker 2: should be right now pushing to find every single person
Speaker 2: that this Mandarin Mussolini was speaking to, because I assure you,
Speaker 2: this guy Pratt is not the one and only, which
Speaker 2: we obviously know. But how much further down the line
Speaker 2: did he provide documents information national security secrets? We don't know.
Speaker 2: We truly don't know. And that's the scariest thing is
Speaker 2: not knowing. Yeah, so, Ben, we lost you in terms
Speaker 2: of your sound. But I want to just go on.
Speaker 1: I was saying chills, you know, you know, I probably
Speaker 1: muted it, so I was just screaming and chills. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is treason, no wonder, he says and projects trees
Speaker 1: and treason. Your treason is your treason, is why he
Speaker 1: goes all projection. How he goes after General Mark Milly,
Speaker 1: the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He goes
Speaker 1: after his former chief of Staff and four star General
Speaker 1: John Kelly. He goes after his own Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 1: Mark Esper, who he calls Mark Gesper, because he knows
Speaker 1: what a treasonous, traitorous person he is, and he's engaged
Speaker 1: in conduct like that.
Speaker 2: Do we not always talk about Trump deflection? I mean, again,
Speaker 2: let's go back to my book Revenge, how Donald Trump
Speaker 2: weaponized the United States Department of Justice against his critics.
Speaker 2: What line is Donald using? He's using how Joe Biden
Speaker 2: weaponized the Department of Justice against his critic, meaning him
Speaker 2: your favorite president, so the leading nominee for the Republican
Speaker 2: Party for twenty twenty four. I mean, these are the
Speaker 2: lines that he's using. Why Because you're right, Ben, And
Speaker 2: this is where we definitely agree. Not only is he traitors,
Speaker 2: the guy is absolutely out of his mind. He knows
Speaker 2: what he's done. He thinks everybody is as devious as
Speaker 2: he is. And so instead of accepting it, instead of
Speaker 2: even keeping quiet, he's deflecting and trying to place all
Speaker 2: of these negative qualities and traits onto somebody else.
Speaker 1: And by the way, when you talk about we'll go
Speaker 1: back in a little bit to the New York Attorney
Speaker 1: General's case, because I want to just show everybody how
Speaker 1: badly Trump's lawyers, from just a legal standpoint, screwed this
Speaker 1: up by allowing the case to go to trial and
Speaker 1: not filing the motion for stay the moment partial summary
Speaker 1: judgment was granted against Donald Trump. Now, look, Trump is
Speaker 1: liable as can be, but his lawyers also have no
Speaker 1: clue what he is doing. And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do a hot take on this in real time because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to give them the advice of how
Speaker 1: they were screwing it up. But they could have if
Speaker 1: they were competent, they could have said, look, we're dealing
Speaker 1: with dissolution now, so we need to deal with the
Speaker 1: trial after dissolution for partial summary judgment. But they didn't
Speaker 1: do that. The reason I'm just bringing that up now
Speaker 1: is Mara A Lago is clearly not worth more than
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. But in Donald Trump's mind, with
Speaker 1: the nuclear secrets he possessed there, and you have to think,
Speaker 1: like the pathological trader that he is, with all those
Speaker 1: documents there, mari A Lago in his mind, to the
Speaker 1: Saudi's to foreign interest, mar A Lago was then worth
Speaker 1: billions of dollars think about what he's Yeah.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, so let's just disagree in terms
Speaker 2: of what the actual value is on mar A Lago.
Speaker 2: You know, is it worth a hundred, is it worth
Speaker 2: two hundred? What's the difference. I'll tell you what it's
Speaker 2: not worth. It's not worth one point five billion. It's
Speaker 2: not worth a nine hundred and eighty million that they
Speaker 2: had on their financial statement or whatever the amount was.
Speaker 2: And that's the issue. The issue is it's not that
Speaker 2: he thinks that it's got buried treasure in it or
Speaker 2: it has the nuclear secrets. That's something separate to him.
Speaker 2: He saw mar A Lago as this magnificent estate, which
Speaker 2: it is. It is a magnificent estate built by Marjorie
Speaker 2: Merriweather post fantastic property. But what he does is he
Speaker 2: conflates everything. And that's the whole problem. And that's the
Speaker 2: mistakes that he made. And that's the reason that the
Speaker 2: Attorney General has brought this case, and more importantly, it's
Speaker 2: the reason that Donald left because he knows that there
Speaker 2: is no way for him to ever ever sit on
Speaker 2: a you know, to sit in the stand and to
Speaker 2: be cross examined by Attorney General prosecutors right as to
Speaker 2: where did this number come from? How did you derive
Speaker 2: nine hundred plus million dollars eight hundred million, seven hundred million,
Speaker 2: What was the formula that you used? And then start
Speaker 2: talking to him about the various different methodologies that are
Speaker 2: employed in terms of valuating or assessing the value of
Speaker 2: the property. The reason he also doesn't want that is
Speaker 2: because he doesn't know them. See it's funny, that's the
Speaker 2: funniest part. So the guy with the big brain, the genius,
Speaker 2: he doesn't even understand the methodology that would be used
Speaker 2: because he doesn't care about it. That's the narcissistic sociopathy
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. And you know, it's like it reminds
Speaker 2: you like it just it's I don't know. There's nothing
Speaker 2: more that I can say on that he cannot take
Speaker 2: the stand because the way that he screwed up the
Speaker 2: last time, the way he screwed up on the deposition
Speaker 2: in this specific case or Egen Carol, will all be
Speaker 2: nothing compared to the mess he's going to make by
Speaker 2: taking the stand in this case, especially with this team
Speaker 2: of prosecutors. I mean that really, aces.
Speaker 1: I want to get your prediction, Michael Cohen about whether
Speaker 1: Donald Trump will show up to the deposition that you've
Speaker 1: noticed for October ninth, after Trump delayed. I want to
Speaker 1: get your prediction if you think Donald Trump is going
Speaker 1: to return at all to the New York Attorney General
Speaker 1: civil fraud case, or if he's just done with it.
Speaker 1: And we've got a lot more to discuss as well.
Speaker 1: I want to remind everybody here that after the show ends,
Speaker 1: and don't worry, the show's not ending, We've got a
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Speaker 1: a living, breathing autobiography where Cohen has shared his experiences
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. We are live on political beat down.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: First off, I want to thank everybody. So many people
Speaker 1: are joining this Patreon patreon dot com slash political beatdown.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're on the fence about whether
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Speaker 1: put in the comments if you think it's worth it.
Speaker 1: That's how confident I am that we spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time Cohen and I curating it. But Coen, going
Speaker 1: back to the New York Attorney General case, you are
Speaker 1: a witness in that case, Donald Trump and his team
Speaker 1: have already been attacking you. They attack you in the press,
Speaker 1: they attack you in their opening statement, and we saw
Speaker 1: with the first witnesses. They've spent two three days on
Speaker 1: some witnesses, and so the expectation is outside and inside
Speaker 1: of court they are going to harass you. It is
Speaker 1: a huge task to have to testify in any case,
Speaker 1: get alone one of this magnitude, with the level of
Speaker 1: threats and dangerousness that's coming from the Trump side. So
Speaker 1: I just want to note, as your friend, and I
Speaker 1: consider us to be very close friends, I want to
Speaker 1: know I haven't called you up yet since you know
Speaker 1: some of the news broke today, how are you feeling like,
Speaker 1: how are you feel feeling. Are you getting sleep? You know,
Speaker 1: I see you up late at like two thirty am.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Sleeping is really tough, you know.
Speaker 2: I've kind of shared with a lot of the you
Speaker 2: know brigaders here as well as on my other podcast
Speaker 2: on Maya Kulpa, the fact that you know, I still
Speaker 2: suffer from PTSD when I was incarcerated and the fifty
Speaker 2: one days of solitary confinement. You know, there are triggers
Speaker 2: that will wake you up in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night and then for me, it's impossible to go back
Speaker 2: to sleep. This is a whole different level of I
Speaker 2: don't want to call it anxiety, but that's I guess
Speaker 2: what it is, simply because I know exactly what Trump's
Speaker 2: defense counsel intends on doing. They really do believe that
Speaker 2: by discrediting me or embarrassing me, or trying to harass me,
Speaker 2: that that's going to create some sort of opportunity for
Speaker 2: them to be successful in this case. And even if
Speaker 2: it's not. One of the things that they do know
Speaker 2: is that by bloodying me up, that Trump will continue
Speaker 2: to raise money as he's been doing so far. I
Speaker 2: saw somewhere that he may have raised close to forty
Speaker 2: million dollars since the start of this ag trial. That
Speaker 2: is astronomical dollars astronomical And who are these idiots that
Speaker 2: are giving him the money? I don't know, but they're
Speaker 2: the same people that send, you know, the nasty text messages,
Speaker 2: the nasty social media comments and so on. It's the
Speaker 2: same group of people. And that's all that this is
Speaker 2: going to turn into. But where it becomes somewhat annoying
Speaker 2: for me is like when I was sitting on the
Speaker 2: the witness stand before the House Oversight Committee, that's the
Speaker 2: hearing that everybody got a chance to see live. You
Speaker 2: have to hold your temper, You have to you know,
Speaker 2: you have to really keep yourself controlled, because if you
Speaker 2: notice the number of journalists that are currently watching this
Speaker 2: trial and reporting on it literally second by second, minute
Speaker 2: by minute, hour to hour and then overviews and so
Speaker 2: for who have we had on the stand? Donald Bender,
Speaker 2: accountant for Maser Okay, got a lot of attention, Jeff mcconne,
Speaker 2: really serious, got a lot of attention. It's getting a
Speaker 2: lot of media. Could you imagine the amount of media
Speaker 2: that is going to be following this case as I
Speaker 2: take this stand, and I don't even know how many
Speaker 2: days they intend on keeping me, and it's it's wearing
Speaker 2: on me because I'm really I'm trying to restart my life.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get a hold of things, but I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't because I'm dealing with this New York AG's case.
Speaker 2: And then after that, obviously you know that I have
Speaker 2: the Manhattan District Attorney's case. So my life still is
Speaker 2: centered around holding Donald accountable for his dirty deeds. That
Speaker 2: is going to be another six plus months before I'm
Speaker 2: finally finished with the notion of testifying or having to
Speaker 2: come in and provide information or whatnot. And so it's exhausting.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely exhausting, and I'm not going to hold back.
Speaker 2: I allowed government to have me hold back the first time,
Speaker 2: and all that came out of it were lies upon
Speaker 2: lies upon lies about me, to the extent that I
Speaker 2: ended up writing the book Revenge to try to correct
Speaker 2: some of the lies the inaccuracies that were being spewed
Speaker 2: about me because they're just not true. And you know
Speaker 2: the problem is, not enough people have read it, and
Speaker 2: the people who know what the lies are, well, they're
Speaker 2: the people that don't support Donald Trump anyway. The question
Speaker 2: becomes how to impress upon the people who are magas
Speaker 2: who are purple. They are in between. They're not sure
Speaker 2: that the independents to get them the information so that
Speaker 2: they understand that I am the first political prisoner held
Speaker 2: by my own country because I wouldn't waive my First
Speaker 2: Amendment constitutional rights, that they used threats of litigation against
Speaker 2: my wife in order to get me to plead guilty
Speaker 2: to crimes that I never did. And then people say, yeah, bullshit,
Speaker 2: Then you never would have you never would have agreed,
Speaker 2: you never would have copied the you know, the plea
Speaker 2: and so on. Really, well, here's just one real quick example.
Speaker 2: First and foremost, I was charged with the Karen McDougal payment,
Speaker 2: the same as, for example, the Stormy Daniels. All you
Speaker 2: have to do is look online and it's been acknowledged
Speaker 2: by David Pecker, the former president of AMI, that they
Speaker 2: are the ones that made the payment. All I did
Speaker 2: is look over the agreement to ensure that Donald would
Speaker 2: be protected based upon them owning the life rights to
Speaker 2: the story of Karen. But they get immunity. David Pecker
Speaker 2: gets immunity. Alan Weisselberg got immunity on it, and Michael
Speaker 2: Cohen has to plead guilty because they gave me forty
Speaker 2: eight hours over a week and to either accept whatever
Speaker 2: charge is that they were going to throw at me,
Speaker 2: or they were filing an eighty page that included my wife.
Speaker 2: And that's just not something that I would ever do.
Speaker 2: I would never risk this woman's you know, honor, because
Speaker 2: she's a decent, decent, loving wife, person, friend, mom, you
Speaker 2: know daughter. I would never do it to her, and
Speaker 2: hence why we still remain married. And Monday, the deposition date,
Speaker 2: happens to be my twenty ninth anniversary, so I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's going to bring me some additional up. But I
Speaker 2: would never put her and in harm's way. And they
Speaker 2: knew that, they knew that my family is my Achilles heel,
Speaker 2: and they went right for it. And I try, really,
Speaker 2: really try hard to hold it all back. But I
Speaker 2: have a funny feeling that there may be a couple
Speaker 2: of events that will get picked up by the news,
Speaker 2: but it makes no difference. The only thing ben depending
Speaker 2: upon when I have to start for you know, my testimony,
Speaker 2: we may have to push the beat down back in
Speaker 2: hour or two so that we can do this live
Speaker 2: together and I can give you the news of the
Speaker 2: day and what transpired while I was sitting there on
Speaker 2: the witness stand.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the brigaders will understand that delay, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. Let me ask you the deposition that you
Speaker 1: have scheduled to take Trump's deposition on Monday, October ninth.
Speaker 1: Do you, at this point, as of the date of
Speaker 1: this recording, we're live October fifth, so we're four days away,
Speaker 1: do you think Donald Trump shows up or do you
Speaker 1: think ultimately he's going to be too cowardly to and
Speaker 1: come up with some excuse.
Speaker 2: Well, great question, Ben, one that's been posed to me
Speaker 2: by a multitude of journalists out there. At this point
Speaker 2: in time, I have no idea. So far, everything appears
Speaker 2: to be a go. We have the location already set,
Speaker 2: you know, we intend to be there. I believe that
Speaker 2: his mind changes second by second, minute by minute, hour
Speaker 2: by by hour, right and day by day. So right
Speaker 2: now today he may be saying, yeah, I'm going, I'm going,
Speaker 2: fuck Coeing, fuck his lawyers, I'm going. All right. Then
Speaker 2: it could be Sunday night and he says, you know what,
Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm not going. I'll tell you one thing
Speaker 2: for sure, so my legal team, and so thanks to
Speaker 2: so many of you for continuing to contribute to the
Speaker 2: fund to go fund me on this because this is
Speaker 2: what's helping to pay for the legal fees. And I
Speaker 2: have great, great lawyers. I mean when I tell you great,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about fantastic, top, top notch, A class lawyers.
Speaker 2: Donia Perry as an example, she is already We've been
Speaker 2: speaking for hours, which is why I look a little tired.
Speaker 2: We've been speaking for hours about the questions that they
Speaker 2: intend to pose to Donald at this deposition. I've been
Speaker 2: speaking to Ben Brodsky, my attorney down there in Florida,
Speaker 2: because we're all working together, Donya's entire team, Lillian Alex
Speaker 2: and so on, everybody. We are all on this in
Speaker 2: order to ensure that if he shows up to this deposition,
Speaker 2: that this deposition is going, it's going to elicit the
Speaker 2: answers that we know that certainly do not benefit him.
Speaker 2: That these are going to be really the right questions.
Speaker 2: It's not designed to embarrass him. It's not designed to
Speaker 2: humiliate him. That was come with the fact that he
Speaker 2: happens to Donald Trump. But what these questions do is
Speaker 2: that they lay out the formula that we then intend
Speaker 2: to use within which to dismiss the case that he
Speaker 2: frivolously brought. That's the goal, and I believe based on
Speaker 2: the questions that where we have so far, and there's
Speaker 2: many more to come, I believe that it will you
Speaker 2: accomplish exactly that.
Speaker 1: Well, we're all looking forward to that, and you'll keep
Speaker 1: us up to date if there's any breaking news. You
Speaker 1: and I are going to start doing some more breaking
Speaker 1: news hot takes like we did yesterday when you first
Speaker 1: found out that Donald Trump fled the jurisdiction of New
Speaker 1: York when he said he was going to be there.
Speaker 1: I mentioned this before, but I'll mention there's been a
Speaker 1: flurry of motions right before we went live that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and his lawyers had filed in the New York
Speaker 1: a g case. He filed that motion to stay the
Speaker 1: current trial that's taking place while he appeals. The partial
Speaker 1: summary judgment was granted by Judging Goron, resulting in the
Speaker 1: dissolution of the Trump organization and cancelation of the LLCs. Recall,
Speaker 1: Judging Goron made that ruling back on September twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: If you are a competent lawyer on September twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: the morning that's when you file your motion to stay
Speaker 1: and what you would have argued to the Court of
Speaker 1: Appeals as well. Now that the trial court judge has
Speaker 1: ordered the dissolution of the Trump organization, we have to
Speaker 1: deal with that and then let's deal with the damages
Speaker 1: after the dissolution issue. But they waited until day four
Speaker 1: of the trial to even contemplate bringing the motion to stay.
Speaker 1: So you've got Alena Habba there with her gamer laptop.
Speaker 1: She's got this like laptop that like gamers use there
Speaker 1: and she's like looking so confused there, not knowing what
Speaker 1: she's doing. Again the c team right there, you have
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's lawyers, in addition to that, filing a motion
Speaker 1: to dismiss the indictment brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith
Speaker 1: in the Washington d c. Case for Trump's effort to
Speaker 1: overthrow the twenty twenty election. Trump citees presidential immunity there,
Speaker 1: saying that former presidents cannot have criminal charges against them
Speaker 1: at all. And somehow Donald Trump believes that if the
Speaker 1: Senate acquitted him of the second impeachment, that that immunizes him,
Speaker 1: which is just simply not the case. Donald Trump filed
Speaker 1: a motion to dismiss the indictment in the Manhattan District
Speaker 1: Attorney case, a motion to stay is forthcoming in the
Speaker 1: New York Attorney General case, and he filed a motion
Speaker 1: to delay the federal case in the Southern District of
Speaker 1: Florida before Judge Eileen Cannon for the reasons I described
Speaker 1: earlier in the show, trying to delay that until the
Speaker 1: end of November twenty twenty four. He brought all of
Speaker 1: these in a day, and brought him at really strange
Speaker 1: time to even bring them in, like not when competent
Speaker 1: counsel would bring that. But while all of this is
Speaker 1: going on, while we know that Donald Trump now shared
Speaker 1: nuclear secrets with a foreigner that could have devastating consequences,
Speaker 1: we shared that breaking news here. The Magga Republicans in
Speaker 1: Congress are inviting Donald Trump to show up on Capitol
Speaker 1: Hill the situs of an insurrection that Donald Trump led,
Speaker 1: so he can rally them and find either a new
Speaker 1: Speaker of the House or in his own mind, even
Speaker 1: though he's disqualified based on being indicted from becoming Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House, that they could anoint him speaker despite
Speaker 1: the indictments and then that's who the mag Republicans are.
Speaker 1: But let me show you these two clips, Cohen, because
Speaker 1: there's the Magga Republicans are in total disarray, and here
Speaker 1: you have Magga Republican Senator Mullen saying these things about
Speaker 1: Matt Gates. Play any of the clips. Play the first clip.
Speaker 6: You got to think about this guy. This is a
Speaker 6: guy that didn't have that the media didn't give a
Speaker 6: time a day to after he was accused of sleeping
Speaker 6: with an underage girl. And there's a reason why no
Speaker 6: one and the conference came defended him because we had
Speaker 6: all seen the videos he was showing on the house
Speaker 6: floor that all of us had walked away of the
Speaker 6: girls that he had slept with. He'd brag about how
Speaker 6: he would crush ed medicine and and chase it with
Speaker 6: with an energy drink so he could go all night.
Speaker 6: This is obviously before you got married. And so when
Speaker 6: that accusation came out, no one defended him, and then
Speaker 6: no one on the media would give him a time
Speaker 6: of the day. All of a sudden, he found fame
Speaker 6: because he opposed the Speaker of the House back in November,
Speaker 6: and he's always stayed there, and he's not He was
Speaker 6: never going to leave until he got this last moment
Speaker 6: of fame by saying by by going after a motion
Speaker 6: to vacate.
Speaker 5: It's important to know, Congressman Gates has never been charged
Speaker 5: with any sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: So there's a clips like that. But Cohen, just to
Speaker 1: be clear, as I understand, you have a Maga Republican
Speaker 1: senator saying that he and all the other MAGA Republicans
Speaker 1: were aware that Matt Gates was snorting ed medication and
Speaker 1: showing sex photos to them on the House floor. They
Speaker 1: covered up apparently his behavior. If you just take that
Speaker 1: Maga Republican senator at his word when he was in
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives and now they're saying that about
Speaker 1: Matt Gates. This is who the Maga Republicans are. I mean,
Speaker 1: while we're trying to get things done for the American people,
Speaker 1: while Democrats are talking about bipartisanship and lowering prescription drug
Speaker 1: prices and helping seniors and helping students and helping vets,
Speaker 1: the Magga Republicans are snorting a rectile dysfunction medication on
Speaker 1: the House floor and showing sex photos.
Speaker 2: To each other. But Let's be fair. Matt Gates is
Speaker 2: a unique scumbag, all right, and it's actually Matt Gates
Speaker 2: who gets the two finger fucking salute for the day.
Speaker 2: First of all, he fucked up the whole country with
Speaker 2: this bullshit with McCarthy. Now, I am no Kevin McCarthy fan,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. However, in another forty three
Speaker 2: days there's another potential shutdown. We don't even have a speaker,
Speaker 2: and so nothing is going to get accomplished. Nothing is
Speaker 2: going to get done. At least we know the devil
Speaker 2: that was sitting in that chair. And what did McCarthy do.
Speaker 2: In all fairness, McCarthy went ahead and he did the
Speaker 2: right thing for America, right, very much like what happened
Speaker 2: with Liz Cheney. She was doing the right thing for America,
Speaker 2: not the right thing for this wackadodal chaos caucus. Right,
Speaker 2: Matt Gates appears to be the leader of this chaos caucus.
Speaker 2: Right now, he has now surpassed I guess popularity over
Speaker 2: Marjorie Toilet Green or Lauren Boubert. Right with with all
Speaker 2: of the non sense in the craziness, what he is
Speaker 2: doing is making a mockery Now Kevin McCarthy asked for
Speaker 2: it because in order to get to the seat going
Speaker 2: back after the fifteen times that he was unable to
Speaker 2: obtain enough votes, he made promises to everybody across the board,
Speaker 2: and some of them wanted these promises to be kept. Well,
Speaker 2: Matt Gates is obviously one of them, used that we'll
Speaker 2: call it achilles heel in order to get rid of
Speaker 2: McCarthy managed to get these, you know, these seven additional
Speaker 2: Republicans to do his bidding, and boom, the guy is out.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is truly stupid. We know it's stupid
Speaker 2: because it's the first time in history that it's ever happened,
Speaker 2: and of course it's orchestrated by the biggest asshole of them.
Speaker 2: All Right. I have my own personal issues with Matt Gates,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that he apologized, even though I ultimately
Speaker 2: learned that it wasn't his apology. It was actually written
Speaker 2: by Sean Hannity, going back to when he wanted to
Speaker 2: accuse me the night before that he was going to
Speaker 2: come out and say things about me which were untrue
Speaker 2: that would affect my marriage to my wife or my
Speaker 2: relationship with my in laws, which is stellar obviously a lie.
Speaker 2: The guy fucking apologizes for it. You know, I really
Speaker 2: hoped that after Trump left that Matt Gates would become
Speaker 2: a man. He's now sitting in a position where he
Speaker 2: needs to be an adult. He is not. He's still
Speaker 2: the same reckless, you know, buffoon that he was under
Speaker 2: Trump and for fucking up America, for fucking up the
Speaker 2: house right now so that we don't have a speaker
Speaker 2: of the house. Hey, Matt, there you go, buddy, two
Speaker 2: fingers salute to you.
Speaker 1: Leave it on the two finger salute right there again.
Speaker 1: As we talked about what was going on in the
Speaker 1: New York Attorney General civil case that Donald Trump led,
Speaker 1: learning the breaking news that was first reported by ABC
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump was sharing nuclear secrets to a foreigner
Speaker 1: at the Marri a Lago Club about America's nuclear submarine capabilities,
Speaker 1: and that the foreigner then shared it with multiple other people.
Speaker 1: Special Counsel Jack Smith in the FBI have been interviewing
Speaker 1: that foreign individual who has provided all of the relevant information,
Speaker 1: and Jacksmith in the FBI have the text messages and
Speaker 1: emails as well. Time to do the after show, Michael Cowen,
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