WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:03.480 All right, three two one, Hi, this is William Ramsey. 2 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:06.120 Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on tonight's show. I have 3 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.119 a very special guest, a returning guest. We talked two 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:13.800 months ago about his book which was tight titled The 5 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:18.160 Falsification of History Are Distorted Reality, and that's a great book. 6 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:21.280 I highly recommend that book. But he has just published 7 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:23.600 a new book, a book that came out this month 8 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:27.199 May second, twenty nineteen, the title of which is JFK 9 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:32.000 A very British coup, The Definitive Truth of the Assassination. 10 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:34.439 And his name is John Hammer. John. Are you there. 11 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:36.439 I am William House. 12 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.200 I'm doing well. Thanks thanks for agreeing to the interview. 13 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.560 I'd really read through the book and found it very interesting. 14 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:47.880 A lot of information I did not know. And you know, 15 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.200 I think you wrote on the intro there's like forty 16 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.359 thousand JFK books on the assassination. So this is for 17 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:57.240 me a welcome edition to see. The broader reality is 18 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:02.240 a broader involvement of people outside the US who definitely 19 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:06.040 seem to be involved in this death of JFK. John F. 20 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.959 Kennedy on November second, nineteen sixty three. So maybe before 21 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.480 we get into the text of the book, you can 22 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:13.519 talk a little bit about your background and how you 23 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:16.480 became interested in the subject, and then we can talk 24 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.840 about some of the the forces that really conspired to 25 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:23.120 kill John F. Kennedy. Yeah. 26 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:27.319 Sure, yeah, I mean, as people have already heard me speak, 27 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.079 will know. I mean I've been into the sort of 28 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:31.680 one of the better word of the conspiracy world for 29 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.519 over twenty years now, and I've investigated full time during 30 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:39.359 that time many many. 31 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:42.599 Different topics, and JFK was just one of them. 32 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:46.040 I mean, a lot of the stuff, other stuff, you know, 33 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.799 the Great Grant conspiracy is covered in as you just 34 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.959 finally pointed out, the Falsification of History, which is another 35 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:56.040 of my books. But yeah, the JFK thing, I've always 36 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.879 been fascinated. I think I think most people have, you know, 37 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.439 even it's not just good for the. 38 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.439 An American thing. I think the whole world was absolutely. 39 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:08.680 Fascinated by the Kennedy assassination and the mechanics of it 40 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.120 and who was involved. And of course I don't think 41 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:16.000 I don't think that many people actually believe that Oswald 42 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.599 was the Loane Gunman at all. And you know, so 43 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:22.400 in one sense, we've got a head start there when 44 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:26.360 we're trying to convert people, to convince people that there 45 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:30.680 was a bigger conspiracy, because I think most people realize 46 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:35.919 that also from the war On Commission, which allegedly investigated 47 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:42.479 the Kennedy assassination, is known broadly to be a nonsense. 48 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.520 Really, So yeah, I mean I've always been interested in it. 49 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.360 And it just what figur of the book after was 50 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:53.520 that i'd actually written for one of my other books, 51 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:58.120 behind mccurt I'd written a huge section on kendidate, of 52 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.319 which a lot of that was in this book, excuse me, 53 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.280 and quite simple, there wasn't enough room. 54 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.599 For it to go in behind it because it's a 55 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:08.199 massive book. 56 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.719 It's over half a million words, but I actually wrote 57 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.520 over nine hundred thousand words. But it just, I mean, 58 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.719 it's in two volumes as it is, and I just thought, 59 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:18.400 you know, you've got to be sensible about this and 60 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:19.840 cut it down. And a lot of the stuff that 61 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.639 I could out was the stuff about the Kennedy assassination. 62 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.240 So it's sort of been similarly in the back of my. 63 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:27.680 Mind for quite a while that you know, yeah, maybe 64 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.400 I could make a book with it. And that's exactly 65 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.120 what I did in the end, So I just expanded 66 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.120 upon it and they have it. 67 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:39.639 Gotcha, And I mean your general a position you kind 68 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.719 of go back and trace the history of these nefurious 69 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.360 groups that I really have been in the Western world, 70 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.120 but who have you definitely were traced too many of 71 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.120 these key players around the conspiracy to kill JFK. 72 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:57.080 Yeah. Absolutely. I mean. 73 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:03.439 I was speaking to it jfcare assassination just this week 74 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.039 as a matter of fact, and he's a guy who's American, 75 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.159 guy who's been researching it for over thirty. 76 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:10.479 Years, and he read the synopsis in my book and 77 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:10.800 he just. 78 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.199 Said, Wow, I didn't know any of that stuff at all. 79 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:18.040 And we just had a very brief conversation through Twitter messaging, 80 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.319 and you know, so he was this is a guy 81 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:22.480 who's who's been. 82 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.199 Looking into the stuff for thirty years. 83 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:28.759 So you know, there is a lot of other background 84 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.160 that people are not aware of. And what I've done is, 85 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:34.519 as you sort of alluded to there is I've expanded 86 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:37.279 the search, if you like, So I'm beyond the borders 87 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.279 of the US, and the footprint lead directly to the 88 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.800 UK and the British Crown. 89 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:43.199 Yeah. 90 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.079 Absolutely, So maybe you can talk about that the British 91 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.519 Crown and the City of London and all of these 92 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.800 people who are interested in the banking cartel. 93 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:55.480 Absolutely, yeah, okay, I think I think you're right. I mean, 94 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.759 I think that's that's the best place to start. Is 95 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.720 the actual background to it. What a lot of people 96 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.160 don't realize that there is an entity called the Crown 97 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:07.160 Empire or the Crown it's sometimes caught for short. And 98 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.600 the Crown doesn't necessarily mean the Queen of England or 99 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:14.160 the British monarchy, although they are obviously the figureheads of it. 100 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.680 But it goes much much deeper than that. The Crown Empire. 101 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:19.800 Actually controls world politics. 102 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:23.720 It controls world, but I mean world, not just British banking, 103 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:30.040 the health system, everything. Huge corporations are all directly or 104 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.959 indirectly controlled by some aspect of the British Crown Empire. 105 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.319 It's an all powerful entity in other words, And as 106 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.560 I said, it's not exclusive with British either. I mean, 107 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:44.839 America is intrinsically involved with it too, Okay. I mean, 108 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.639 just to give you a little bit of background to 109 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.360 how it sort of started. It began at the end 110 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.439 of the seventeenth century with the formation of the Bank 111 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.079 of England. I don't want to go into too much 112 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.399 detail and boil everybody to death, but I think it's 113 00:05:55.439 --> 00:06:00.120 important to get this background. The Bank of England was 114 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.199 created in sixteen sixteen ninety four and it was financed 115 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.839 by Dutch bankers who you served the British throne and 116 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:11.920 placed William the Third on the throne. Again, I don't 117 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.319 want to go too deeply into that, but anyway, it 118 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.240 was the Bank of England, the formation of the Bank 119 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:21.600 of England that led to the beginning of the central 120 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:25.800 banking system, if you like. And this actually their ability 121 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.319 to create money from thin air gave them the power 122 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:35.000 and the finance obviously to expand their sphere of control. 123 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:39.879 And what happened was that the actual city of London, 124 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.079 and by the city, I don't mean London itself, the 125 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.959 greater London. I mean the actual financial heart of the city, 126 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.079 and it's just referred to in the UK as the 127 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.519 city and it's the financial empire, and it's one square 128 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.560 mile and it's just slightly to with the east of 129 00:06:54.560 --> 00:07:01.240 the city center proper, and that city's square mile actually 130 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.800 became a sovereign state in sixteen ninety four when the 131 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.319 Bank of England was founded, and that's important that it 132 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.040 was a sovereign state in its own right, very. 133 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:16.160 Much the same as Washington d C. Yes, are the three. 134 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.199 The City of London is the world banking empire, the 135 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.480 Washington d C is the military empire, and the Vatican 136 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.759 is the religious empire. And they're all connected, and they're 137 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.959 all governed either directly or indirectly by the British Crown. 138 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.519 So this square mile of the city is not subject 139 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:38.639 to UK law in any way, shape or form. 140 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.560 It's got its own court, it's got its own flag, 141 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.519 got its own police force. 142 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:47.920 And mayor, and it will. 143 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:50.399 Freemasonry is also run from there, as well as the 144 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:52.360 entire world legal operators. 145 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.279 Believe it or not, I know some of this information. 146 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.079 It sounds absolutely fantastic to people, but trust me, it's true, 147 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.639 and it's quite easy to google this stuff and find 148 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.199 out find it out for yourselves. 149 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.920 I'm not making this up, no, but. 150 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.279 When I was in the UK and traveled to the 151 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:12.160 City of London, it's discernibly different than the other parts 152 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:15.279 of the city. It actually really has a completely different 153 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:19.120 architecture and it's streets are a little different. It's pretty remarkable. 154 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.519 And I was in the banking industry and nobody could 155 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.319 really figure out why the London interbank offering rate was 156 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.240 a key lending opportunity, why we were going all the 157 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.240 way to London, But it really was. That's actually a 158 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.720 global standard comes out of the Bank of London. I 159 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:34.519 mean the City of. 160 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:39.519 London, absolutely and in fact, many even US banks have 161 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.200 their headquarters in the City of London, which I found 162 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.519 absolutely amazing, to be honest. You know the fact that 163 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.320 you think it's Wall Street, don't you the US's empire 164 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.000 or the US Spanish Empire. But no, a lot of 165 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.039 American banks headquarters I think it was about seventy who 166 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.600 was to have their headquarters actually in the City of London. 167 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.399 And there's something like in total, there's something like four 168 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:03.759 hundred major world banks that have their headquarters in the 169 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:04.440 City of London. 170 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:07.919 But that just okay. 171 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.639 So, yeah, the freemasonry is there, the legal system is there. 172 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.519 It doesn't operate under common law either, which is an 173 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.320 important point. Common law is the law of the land. 174 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.759 It should be the law of the land in every country, 175 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.399 but it's not. The common law is very simple. Common 176 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.200 law just states that you shouldn't do harm to anyone 177 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.720 in any way, shape or form, or permit harm to 178 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:33.759 be caused to another by your inaction. 179 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:35.360 And that's common law. 180 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:40.360 Yeah, but the laws that governors are so vast now 181 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:44.639 that they're not actually laws. They're called statutes really, and 182 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:49.159 it's a commercial law, maritime law, or the law of contracts. 183 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:52.080 And that's how they assert the control over us by 184 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.000 usurping common law and creating this set of rules for 185 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:02.000 themselves that allows them to in effect bend the legal 186 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:06.480 system to what they wanted to be. And this has 187 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.759 been noted many people might have noticed this. For example, 188 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.519 when you see courtroom dramas in both the US and 189 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.559 the UK, the Union flag in the UK has a 190 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.639 gold fringe, and the Stars and Trust stripes in the 191 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.600 US in courtrooms has a gold fringe as well, as 192 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.240 it does on military uniforms as well. And then it's 193 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:29.000 that that denotes that you're actually operating under maritime law, 194 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:31.879 the law of contracts, and not the law of the land, 195 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.320 which is common law. If we were to just operate 196 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:36.879 some of the under common law, then they couldn't controllers 197 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.440 in the way that we do. And so this is 198 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.440 why they do it and it's all very very fake 199 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:44.120 and all very contrived. 200 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:49.000 Okay, So I mean that's the kind of background of 201 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:53.759 these connections through this kind of do permeate these players 202 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.799 in the Kennedy killing all the way even to the US. 203 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.639 So you can see this kind of banking hand behind everything. 204 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:01.919 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 205 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:04.960 And you know, as I said, the Crown's not subject 206 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:06.000 to the UK government. 207 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:06.759 And I think. 208 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:10.440 We're sort of getting to the point a little bit now. 209 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:12.399 I know it's been a little bit of a digression, 210 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:17.480 but another key element to what we're talking about is 211 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:21.159 the fact that the Crown Empire still and this is 212 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:24.039 a very important point, holds the lands and title deeds 213 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.879 to all of North America, not just Canada, but the 214 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:28.720 US as well. 215 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:31.320 A lot of people don't believe that, Oh no, we. 216 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.200 Wont our independence in seventeen seventy six, so were independence 217 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.960 blad blah blah. Yes, that was the appearance, but in 218 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.600 actual fact that wasn't the case. And you know, again, 219 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.519 I would invite anybody to just do a very quick 220 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.600 Internet search on that topic and you'll see that it's true. 221 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:50.399 Jeorgia third, when he. 222 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:55.639 Allegedly reluctantly gave the US it's independence. After losing the war, 223 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.799 losing in quote marks, he insisted on retaining ultimate control 224 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:04.879 and this has remained the case ever since. America is 225 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.519 not an independent state, despite all appearances of the contrary, 226 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:12.320 but as agreed in the Treaty of Paris of seventeen 227 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:15.320 eighty three, the US was to remain a Crown colony, 228 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.240 and it has done to this day. And in fact, 229 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:23.559 he's operating under a fake constitution as well. Now, the 230 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:29.000 original constitution was quietly scrapped in eighteen seventy one and 231 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:33.399 replaced by an entirely different one, a different, completely different 232 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.840 set of rules. And in order for them to achieve 233 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.759 this that this was how the District of Columbia had 234 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.080 to be instituted, and that also became then became a 235 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.600 city state at that point in time. Okay, and again, 236 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:48.759 as I say, don't take my word for it, this 237 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:53.080 information is all quite easily accessible. So it's not like, oh, 238 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:57.559 John Hamer's talking a load of rubbish, you know, it's 239 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.960 it's easily verifiable all this stuff. So yeah, that just 240 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.559 sets the scene. So we've got this powerful entity called 241 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:08.919 the Crown who control everything. They control the finance, they 242 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.600 control all industry and commerce. 243 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.960 They control the legal profession. 244 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.879 They controlled just about every major institution you can imagine 245 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:21.559 in the Western world at least, and certainly a lot 246 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:26.879 as well in the East. So you've got this guy Kennedy, 247 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:33.080 who I believe was Okay, he was no angel. I 248 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.240 don't think anybody who gets to be to the top 249 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.279 of politics is going to fall into that category. But 250 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:41.039 I think he was basically a decent guy who wanted 251 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.879 to do the best for his people within the constraints 252 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.519 that he would have as a president. But unfortunately, there 253 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:53.159 were certain things that happened or that he instigated within 254 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.840 his presidency that caused all these different forces of the 255 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.720 Crown Empire to come together to conspire against him. 256 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:04.039 But Kennedy himself, John JFK was no choir boy. He 257 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:10.679 wasn't from a very honest or you know the Joe 258 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:13.679 Kennedy himself was. And you write in the book somebody 259 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.799 said about Joe Kenny, Joe Kenny was the personification of evil. 260 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:23.159 Was like financial grave dancer inside or inside Trader, friends 261 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.840 of the Brahmfman family, which is still relevant today in 262 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:30.519 regards to this Nexian cult. Yeah, so really remarkable stuff. 263 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:34.159 Yeah, yeah, I mean Joe Kennedy was was quite quite 264 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:34.720 an operator. 265 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:36.879 Yeah, I mean, he had his fingers in many pies. 266 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:37.360 As they say. 267 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.039 He was involved in the the other days of the 268 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:45.240 movie industry. He was as you said, he was involved 269 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.480 in the liquor industry, especially during the Prohibition. 270 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.519 It was he was the prime mover in getting a 271 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:50.960 lot of. 272 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:55.360 The the whiskey and liquor from Bromfends in Canada as 273 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:58.000 as you mentioned in the US. And of course he 274 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:01.080 made a huge fortune on the back of all that. 275 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.759 And it was heavily involved with the mafia as well. 276 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.559 And again you know, they do the head in my 277 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.799 little book, the Mafia. They're one of the factions that 278 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:15.200 are involved. People think that, you know, they're just sort 279 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.840 of a you know, yeah, or i'd be quite prominent 280 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:21.480 and the dangerous and important and all the rest of it. 281 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.480 But they don't think they've got any real powerment governmentally. 282 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.960 Well I'm sorry again to disabuse people at that, but 283 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.320 they certainly have. There is a very key player. 284 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.320 Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean they had control over 285 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.879 Edgar j Edgar Hoover. They actually had had him blackmailed, 286 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.919 so you know, he actually never said there was really 287 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:43.200 any such thing as the mafia. 288 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.720 Yeah, that's right. He was in their pocket without a doubt. Yeah. 289 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.679 And but yeah, Joe Kennedy, he was. He was kind 290 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:53.840 of like something that happened here in twenty eight eight 291 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:57.000 where he came in and took all these defaulted mortgages 292 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:01.519 and bottom cheap and resold them when the market corrected. 293 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.759 Like he knew all this stuff, and these types of 294 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.559 techniques and tactics go back through Joe Kennedy even before him, 295 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.559 but all the way up to the current day. I mean, 296 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:12.720 you have the head of the Treasury here in the 297 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.879 United States, it's Minutchin, who did the same thing that 298 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.159 Kennedy did. That's how he made his money. He bought 299 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.679 these portfolios of defaulted mortgages. But yeah, it's incredible too 300 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.879 that Joe Kennedy became the head of the SEC in 301 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:28.320 nineteen thirty four. Is just astonished. 302 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.679 Yeah, as I say in the book, it's like the 303 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:33.559 fox in charge of the hen House, isn't it. 304 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:38.759 You know? Absolutely so. I mean I think that it's 305 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:43.039 interesting that family dynamic and dynastic elements of the Kennedy 306 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:47.600 family really changed after Kennedy Senior had a stroke on 307 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.039 nineteenth of December nineteen sixty one. I think you pointed 308 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.000 that out. I think it's an important point that this 309 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:58.600 it changed John and probably Robert as well, into more 310 00:16:58.639 --> 00:16:59.399 independent players. 311 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:01.519 Would you agree with absolutely? 312 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:01.960 Yeah. 313 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.720 I mean Joe was a was an arch manipulator. Just 314 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.640 to go backtrack slightly, I mean it was he that 315 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.559 you know, massive ambitions for his sons. 316 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:13.079 He put them under a lot of pressure. 317 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:21.640 It was his machinations, if you like, that sort of manipulated. 318 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:27.400 One of his sons. Unfortunately, until Joe Junior. 319 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:31.039 John's older brother died in the war, it was Joe 320 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.200 that was going to be, you know, put forward as 321 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:38.319 president and all the rest of it. But because unfortunately 322 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:40.480 Joe was killed, Joe Junior was killed in the war, 323 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.000 it fell upon John. And John John was quite a 324 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:47.480 sickly sort of a child than and a young man. 325 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:51.519 He was actually a lot, a lot more sickly than 326 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:55.000 people imagined him to be. But he was Nevertheless, I 327 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.240 think a lot of it was was sort of out 328 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.279 of his control. As I said, Joe was an archman. 329 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:04.240 Joe was an arch manipulator, and he maneuvered John into 330 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.799 that position with the help of people like the mafia 331 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.400 and and Aristotle A. Nassis was another big player in 332 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.880 it all of course, and it was on the Mafia 333 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.599 and an ass say so that that John was actually 334 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:24.519 manipulated into the role of president to replaces the older brother. 335 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:26.599 Right, and it was kind of like there was all 336 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.759 kinds of issues that the Cook County books were cooked, 337 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.119 there's all. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that, yeah, 338 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:34.440 happened a bit. 339 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:36.160 Like the bit like the Bush election in was it 340 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:40.839 two thousand four that was really really rigged. They probably 341 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.960 all are, but there was one in particular where they 342 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:47.720 deliberately didn't count the boats in a certain county or whatever. 343 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:51.079 But yeah, it was, it was. It was similar to that. 344 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:54.680 And I think I think the Kennedy Nixon election was 345 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.680 the closest ever result, wasn't it. 346 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.640 Yeah. I think you said something like there was a 347 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.599 point five differential or something like that. 348 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:07.559 Very close, but yeah, it was along those lines. 349 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.960 Yeah. Yeah, So he so Kennedy gets into gets into 350 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:18.240 the presidency, but he is a very colorful personal life, right. 351 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.880 Well that's what yeah, I mean, I think that's that's 352 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.000 one thing that people do know about Kennedy. I mean, 353 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.119 he had lots of shall we say, illicit liaisons with 354 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.359 eligible young women. One of the quotes that I remember 355 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:36.359 seeing and when I was writing the book was that 356 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.279 embedded half the girls on the West Coast or something, 357 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.799 half the eligible single girls on the West Coast, and 358 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:45.519 probably a lot of the married ones as well. 359 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:50.480 So yeah, it was it was a prolific adulter. I 360 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.920 shall say he went. 361 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.079 To Stanford Business School or something like that, right, Did 362 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:57.160 he tends Stamford for a little bit? 363 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.799 Maybe that I can't remember, but I know that he 364 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:01.279 went to. 365 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.640 The boarding school he went to as a as a 366 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.920 youth as a teenager was choked. 367 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.880 Yeah, but I don't know, I can't. I don't whether 368 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:13.839 he went to Stanford or. 369 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:17.240 Not, But there was there was an interesting aspect of 370 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:20.200 him because of this, this kind of like he had 371 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.200 a decadent as a child of wealth, decadent life. But 372 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:26.440 he was curious about stuff that was happening in the 373 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.279 UK at the time of his presidency, something known as 374 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:34.480 the Profumo affair. And you said word about that. But 375 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.759 he was tied into that affair. It's probably one of 376 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:38.319 the main reasons why he was interested in it. 377 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.720 Yeah, it was tied into I think it was. He 378 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.880 asked all his aides and secretaries and et cetera to 379 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:46.559 keep him up to speed on it all the time. 380 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:48.759 I mean he was fascinated by it because I think 381 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.200 he was actually running a little scared because it's known 382 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:52.960 that he. 383 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:57.079 I'm sorry, you just dropped out right there. 384 00:20:57.799 --> 00:20:59.039 Sorry. 385 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:01.400 I think he wanted to be kept up to speed 386 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:06.160 on the Perfume Perfumer affair and how it was progressing 387 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:11.880 because he'd been involved sexually with one of the women 388 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:13.960 that was involved in the Perfumer affair. 389 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:15.839 Do you want to give a little bit of background 390 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:16.559 to Perfuma affair? 391 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:17.440 Yes, please do? 392 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.559 Yeah, okay, Well, this was a big scandal in the 393 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.960 UK in nineteen sixty one. I think it was where 394 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:28.960 the Minister of War Don Perfumo was involved in a 395 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:30.559 scandal because he was having a. 396 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.160 Love affair sexual. 397 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.400 Affair with a woman who turned out to be a 398 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.839 Russian spy and who had been also having an affair 399 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:47.279 with the Russian some Russian diplomat in the UK, quite 400 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.039 a high ranking diplomat. But obviously the implications there were staggering. 401 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:53.720