Speaker 1: All right, three two one, Hi, this is William Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on tonight's show. I have
Speaker 1: a very special guest, a returning guest. We talked two
Speaker 1: months ago about his book which was tight titled The
Speaker 1: Falsification of History Are Distorted Reality, and that's a great book.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend that book. But he has just published
Speaker 1: a new book, a book that came out this month
Speaker 1: May second, twenty nineteen, the title of which is JFK
Speaker 1: A very British coup, The Definitive Truth of the Assassination.
Speaker 1: And his name is John Hammer. John. Are you there.
Speaker 2: I am William House.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thanks thanks for agreeing to the interview.
Speaker 1: I'd really read through the book and found it very interesting.
Speaker 1: A lot of information I did not know. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think you wrote on the intro there's like forty
Speaker 1: thousand JFK books on the assassination. So this is for
Speaker 1: me a welcome edition to see. The broader reality is
Speaker 1: a broader involvement of people outside the US who definitely
Speaker 1: seem to be involved in this death of JFK. John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy on November second, nineteen sixty three. So maybe before
Speaker 1: we get into the text of the book, you can
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your background and how you
Speaker 1: became interested in the subject, and then we can talk
Speaker 1: about some of the the forces that really conspired to
Speaker 1: kill John F. Kennedy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I mean, as people have already heard me speak,
Speaker 3: will know. I mean I've been into the sort of
Speaker 3: one of the better word of the conspiracy world for
Speaker 3: over twenty years now, and I've investigated full time during
Speaker 3: that time many many.
Speaker 2: Different topics, and JFK was just one of them.
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of the stuff, other stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: the Great Grant conspiracy is covered in as you just
Speaker 3: finally pointed out, the Falsification of History, which is another
Speaker 3: of my books. But yeah, the JFK thing, I've always
Speaker 3: been fascinated. I think I think most people have, you know,
Speaker 3: even it's not just good for the.
Speaker 2: An American thing. I think the whole world was absolutely.
Speaker 3: Fascinated by the Kennedy assassination and the mechanics of it
Speaker 3: and who was involved. And of course I don't think
Speaker 3: I don't think that many people actually believe that Oswald
Speaker 3: was the Loane Gunman at all. And you know, so
Speaker 3: in one sense, we've got a head start there when
Speaker 3: we're trying to convert people, to convince people that there
Speaker 3: was a bigger conspiracy, because I think most people realize
Speaker 3: that also from the war On Commission, which allegedly investigated
Speaker 3: the Kennedy assassination, is known broadly to be a nonsense.
Speaker 2: Really, So yeah, I mean I've always been interested in it.
Speaker 3: And it just what figur of the book after was
Speaker 3: that i'd actually written for one of my other books,
Speaker 3: behind mccurt I'd written a huge section on kendidate, of
Speaker 3: which a lot of that was in this book, excuse me,
Speaker 3: and quite simple, there wasn't enough room.
Speaker 2: For it to go in behind it because it's a
Speaker 2: massive book.
Speaker 3: It's over half a million words, but I actually wrote
Speaker 3: over nine hundred thousand words. But it just, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's in two volumes as it is, and I just thought,
Speaker 3: you know, you've got to be sensible about this and
Speaker 3: cut it down. And a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 3: I could out was the stuff about the Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 2: So it's sort of been similarly in the back of my.
Speaker 3: Mind for quite a while that you know, yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: I could make a book with it. And that's exactly
Speaker 3: what I did in the end, So I just expanded
Speaker 3: upon it and they have it.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, And I mean your general a position you kind
Speaker 1: of go back and trace the history of these nefurious
Speaker 1: groups that I really have been in the Western world,
Speaker 1: but who have you definitely were traced too many of
Speaker 1: these key players around the conspiracy to kill JFK.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean.
Speaker 3: I was speaking to it jfcare assassination just this week
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, and he's a guy who's American,
Speaker 3: guy who's been researching it for over thirty.
Speaker 2: Years, and he read the synopsis in my book and
Speaker 2: he just.
Speaker 3: Said, Wow, I didn't know any of that stuff at all.
Speaker 3: And we just had a very brief conversation through Twitter messaging,
Speaker 3: and you know, so he was this is a guy
Speaker 3: who's who's been.
Speaker 2: Looking into the stuff for thirty years.
Speaker 3: So you know, there is a lot of other background
Speaker 3: that people are not aware of. And what I've done is,
Speaker 3: as you sort of alluded to there is I've expanded
Speaker 3: the search, if you like, So I'm beyond the borders
Speaker 3: of the US, and the footprint lead directly to the
Speaker 3: UK and the British Crown.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So maybe you can talk about that the British
Speaker 1: Crown and the City of London and all of these
Speaker 1: people who are interested in the banking cartel.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, okay, I think I think you're right. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that's that's the best place to start. Is
Speaker 3: the actual background to it. What a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't realize that there is an entity called the Crown
Speaker 3: Empire or the Crown it's sometimes caught for short. And
Speaker 3: the Crown doesn't necessarily mean the Queen of England or
Speaker 3: the British monarchy, although they are obviously the figureheads of it.
Speaker 3: But it goes much much deeper than that. The Crown Empire.
Speaker 2: Actually controls world politics.
Speaker 3: It controls world, but I mean world, not just British banking,
Speaker 3: the health system, everything. Huge corporations are all directly or
Speaker 3: indirectly controlled by some aspect of the British Crown Empire.
Speaker 3: It's an all powerful entity in other words, And as
Speaker 3: I said, it's not exclusive with British either. I mean,
Speaker 3: America is intrinsically involved with it too, Okay. I mean,
Speaker 3: just to give you a little bit of background to
Speaker 3: how it sort of started. It began at the end
Speaker 3: of the seventeenth century with the formation of the Bank
Speaker 3: of England. I don't want to go into too much
Speaker 3: detail and boil everybody to death, but I think it's
Speaker 3: important to get this background. The Bank of England was
Speaker 3: created in sixteen sixteen ninety four and it was financed
Speaker 3: by Dutch bankers who you served the British throne and
Speaker 3: placed William the Third on the throne. Again, I don't
Speaker 3: want to go too deeply into that, but anyway, it
Speaker 3: was the Bank of England, the formation of the Bank
Speaker 3: of England that led to the beginning of the central
Speaker 3: banking system, if you like. And this actually their ability
Speaker 3: to create money from thin air gave them the power
Speaker 3: and the finance obviously to expand their sphere of control.
Speaker 3: And what happened was that the actual city of London,
Speaker 3: and by the city, I don't mean London itself, the
Speaker 3: greater London. I mean the actual financial heart of the city,
Speaker 3: and it's just referred to in the UK as the
Speaker 3: city and it's the financial empire, and it's one square
Speaker 3: mile and it's just slightly to with the east of
Speaker 3: the city center proper, and that city's square mile actually
Speaker 3: became a sovereign state in sixteen ninety four when the
Speaker 3: Bank of England was founded, and that's important that it
Speaker 3: was a sovereign state in its own right, very.
Speaker 2: Much the same as Washington d C. Yes, are the three.
Speaker 3: The City of London is the world banking empire, the
Speaker 3: Washington d C is the military empire, and the Vatican
Speaker 3: is the religious empire. And they're all connected, and they're
Speaker 3: all governed either directly or indirectly by the British Crown.
Speaker 2: So this square mile of the city is not subject
Speaker 2: to UK law in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: It's got its own court, it's got its own flag,
Speaker 3: got its own police force.
Speaker 2: And mayor, and it will.
Speaker 3: Freemasonry is also run from there, as well as the
Speaker 3: entire world legal operators.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, I know some of this information.
Speaker 3: It sounds absolutely fantastic to people, but trust me, it's true,
Speaker 3: and it's quite easy to google this stuff and find
Speaker 3: out find it out for yourselves.
Speaker 2: I'm not making this up, no, but.
Speaker 1: When I was in the UK and traveled to the
Speaker 1: City of London, it's discernibly different than the other parts
Speaker 1: of the city. It actually really has a completely different
Speaker 1: architecture and it's streets are a little different. It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1: And I was in the banking industry and nobody could
Speaker 1: really figure out why the London interbank offering rate was
Speaker 1: a key lending opportunity, why we were going all the
Speaker 1: way to London, But it really was. That's actually a
Speaker 1: global standard comes out of the Bank of London. I
Speaker 1: mean the City of.
Speaker 3: London, absolutely and in fact, many even US banks have
Speaker 3: their headquarters in the City of London, which I found
Speaker 3: absolutely amazing, to be honest. You know the fact that
Speaker 3: you think it's Wall Street, don't you the US's empire
Speaker 3: or the US Spanish Empire. But no, a lot of
Speaker 3: American banks headquarters I think it was about seventy who
Speaker 3: was to have their headquarters actually in the City of London.
Speaker 3: And there's something like in total, there's something like four
Speaker 3: hundred major world banks that have their headquarters in the
Speaker 3: City of London.
Speaker 2: But that just okay.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, the freemasonry is there, the legal system is there.
Speaker 3: It doesn't operate under common law either, which is an
Speaker 3: important point. Common law is the law of the land.
Speaker 3: It should be the law of the land in every country,
Speaker 3: but it's not. The common law is very simple. Common
Speaker 3: law just states that you shouldn't do harm to anyone
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form, or permit harm to
Speaker 3: be caused to another by your inaction.
Speaker 2: And that's common law.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the laws that governors are so vast now
Speaker 3: that they're not actually laws. They're called statutes really, and
Speaker 3: it's a commercial law, maritime law, or the law of contracts.
Speaker 3: And that's how they assert the control over us by
Speaker 3: usurping common law and creating this set of rules for
Speaker 3: themselves that allows them to in effect bend the legal
Speaker 3: system to what they wanted to be. And this has
Speaker 3: been noted many people might have noticed this. For example,
Speaker 3: when you see courtroom dramas in both the US and
Speaker 3: the UK, the Union flag in the UK has a
Speaker 3: gold fringe, and the Stars and Trust stripes in the
Speaker 3: US in courtrooms has a gold fringe as well, as
Speaker 3: it does on military uniforms as well. And then it's
Speaker 3: that that denotes that you're actually operating under maritime law,
Speaker 3: the law of contracts, and not the law of the land,
Speaker 3: which is common law. If we were to just operate
Speaker 3: some of the under common law, then they couldn't controllers
Speaker 3: in the way that we do. And so this is
Speaker 3: why they do it and it's all very very fake
Speaker 3: and all very contrived.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean that's the kind of background of
Speaker 1: these connections through this kind of do permeate these players
Speaker 1: in the Kennedy killing all the way even to the US.
Speaker 1: So you can see this kind of banking hand behind everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: And you know, as I said, the Crown's not subject
Speaker 3: to the UK government.
Speaker 2: And I think.
Speaker 3: We're sort of getting to the point a little bit now.
Speaker 3: I know it's been a little bit of a digression,
Speaker 3: but another key element to what we're talking about is
Speaker 3: the fact that the Crown Empire still and this is
Speaker 3: a very important point, holds the lands and title deeds
Speaker 3: to all of North America, not just Canada, but the
Speaker 3: US as well.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't believe that, Oh no, we.
Speaker 3: Wont our independence in seventeen seventy six, so were independence
Speaker 3: blad blah blah. Yes, that was the appearance, but in
Speaker 3: actual fact that wasn't the case. And you know, again,
Speaker 3: I would invite anybody to just do a very quick
Speaker 3: Internet search on that topic and you'll see that it's true.
Speaker 2: Jeorgia third, when he.
Speaker 3: Allegedly reluctantly gave the US it's independence. After losing the war,
Speaker 3: losing in quote marks, he insisted on retaining ultimate control
Speaker 3: and this has remained the case ever since. America is
Speaker 3: not an independent state, despite all appearances of the contrary,
Speaker 3: but as agreed in the Treaty of Paris of seventeen
Speaker 3: eighty three, the US was to remain a Crown colony,
Speaker 3: and it has done to this day. And in fact,
Speaker 3: he's operating under a fake constitution as well. Now, the
Speaker 3: original constitution was quietly scrapped in eighteen seventy one and
Speaker 3: replaced by an entirely different one, a different, completely different
Speaker 3: set of rules. And in order for them to achieve
Speaker 3: this that this was how the District of Columbia had
Speaker 3: to be instituted, and that also became then became a
Speaker 3: city state at that point in time. Okay, and again,
Speaker 3: as I say, don't take my word for it, this
Speaker 3: information is all quite easily accessible. So it's not like, oh,
Speaker 3: John Hamer's talking a load of rubbish, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's easily verifiable all this stuff. So yeah, that just
Speaker 3: sets the scene. So we've got this powerful entity called
Speaker 3: the Crown who control everything. They control the finance, they
Speaker 3: control all industry and commerce.
Speaker 2: They control the legal profession.
Speaker 3: They controlled just about every major institution you can imagine
Speaker 3: in the Western world at least, and certainly a lot
Speaker 3: as well in the East. So you've got this guy Kennedy,
Speaker 3: who I believe was Okay, he was no angel. I
Speaker 3: don't think anybody who gets to be to the top
Speaker 3: of politics is going to fall into that category. But
Speaker 3: I think he was basically a decent guy who wanted
Speaker 3: to do the best for his people within the constraints
Speaker 3: that he would have as a president. But unfortunately, there
Speaker 3: were certain things that happened or that he instigated within
Speaker 3: his presidency that caused all these different forces of the
Speaker 3: Crown Empire to come together to conspire against him.
Speaker 1: But Kennedy himself, John JFK was no choir boy. He
Speaker 1: wasn't from a very honest or you know the Joe
Speaker 1: Kennedy himself was. And you write in the book somebody
Speaker 1: said about Joe Kenny, Joe Kenny was the personification of evil.
Speaker 1: Was like financial grave dancer inside or inside Trader, friends
Speaker 1: of the Brahmfman family, which is still relevant today in
Speaker 1: regards to this Nexian cult. Yeah, so really remarkable stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean Joe Kennedy was was quite quite
Speaker 3: an operator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he had his fingers in many pies.
Speaker 2: As they say.
Speaker 3: He was involved in the the other days of the
Speaker 3: movie industry. He was as you said, he was involved
Speaker 3: in the liquor industry, especially during the Prohibition.
Speaker 2: It was he was the prime mover in getting a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 3: The the whiskey and liquor from Bromfends in Canada as
Speaker 3: as you mentioned in the US. And of course he
Speaker 3: made a huge fortune on the back of all that.
Speaker 3: And it was heavily involved with the mafia as well.
Speaker 3: And again you know, they do the head in my
Speaker 3: little book, the Mafia. They're one of the factions that
Speaker 3: are involved. People think that, you know, they're just sort
Speaker 3: of a you know, yeah, or i'd be quite prominent
Speaker 3: and the dangerous and important and all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: But they don't think they've got any real powerment governmentally.
Speaker 3: Well I'm sorry again to disabuse people at that, but
Speaker 3: they certainly have. There is a very key player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean they had control over
Speaker 1: Edgar j Edgar Hoover. They actually had had him blackmailed,
Speaker 1: so you know, he actually never said there was really
Speaker 1: any such thing as the mafia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. He was in their pocket without a doubt. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, Joe Kennedy, he was. He was kind
Speaker 1: of like something that happened here in twenty eight eight
Speaker 1: where he came in and took all these defaulted mortgages
Speaker 1: and bottom cheap and resold them when the market corrected.
Speaker 1: Like he knew all this stuff, and these types of
Speaker 1: techniques and tactics go back through Joe Kennedy even before him,
Speaker 1: but all the way up to the current day. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have the head of the Treasury here in the
Speaker 1: United States, it's Minutchin, who did the same thing that
Speaker 1: Kennedy did. That's how he made his money. He bought
Speaker 1: these portfolios of defaulted mortgages. But yeah, it's incredible too
Speaker 1: that Joe Kennedy became the head of the SEC in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. Is just astonished.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I say in the book, it's like the
Speaker 2: fox in charge of the hen House, isn't it.
Speaker 1: You know? Absolutely so. I mean I think that it's
Speaker 1: interesting that family dynamic and dynastic elements of the Kennedy
Speaker 1: family really changed after Kennedy Senior had a stroke on
Speaker 1: nineteenth of December nineteen sixty one. I think you pointed
Speaker 1: that out. I think it's an important point that this
Speaker 1: it changed John and probably Robert as well, into more
Speaker 1: independent players.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean Joe was a was an arch manipulator. Just
Speaker 3: to go backtrack slightly, I mean it was he that
Speaker 3: you know, massive ambitions for his sons.
Speaker 2: He put them under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3: It was his machinations, if you like, that sort of manipulated.
Speaker 2: One of his sons. Unfortunately, until Joe Junior.
Speaker 3: John's older brother died in the war, it was Joe
Speaker 3: that was going to be, you know, put forward as
Speaker 3: president and all the rest of it. But because unfortunately
Speaker 3: Joe was killed, Joe Junior was killed in the war,
Speaker 3: it fell upon John. And John John was quite a
Speaker 3: sickly sort of a child than and a young man.
Speaker 3: He was actually a lot, a lot more sickly than
Speaker 3: people imagined him to be. But he was Nevertheless, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of it was was sort of out
Speaker 3: of his control. As I said, Joe was an archman.
Speaker 3: Joe was an arch manipulator, and he maneuvered John into
Speaker 3: that position with the help of people like the mafia
Speaker 3: and and Aristotle A. Nassis was another big player in
Speaker 3: it all of course, and it was on the Mafia
Speaker 3: and an ass say so that that John was actually
Speaker 3: manipulated into the role of president to replaces the older brother.
Speaker 1: Right, and it was kind of like there was all
Speaker 1: kinds of issues that the Cook County books were cooked,
Speaker 1: there's all. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that, yeah,
Speaker 1: happened a bit.
Speaker 3: Like the bit like the Bush election in was it
Speaker 3: two thousand four that was really really rigged. They probably
Speaker 3: all are, but there was one in particular where they
Speaker 3: deliberately didn't count the boats in a certain county or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was, it was. It was similar to that.
Speaker 3: And I think I think the Kennedy Nixon election was
Speaker 3: the closest ever result, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you said something like there was a
Speaker 1: point five differential or something like that.
Speaker 2: Very close, but yeah, it was along those lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So he so Kennedy gets into gets into
Speaker 1: the presidency, but he is a very colorful personal life, right.
Speaker 3: Well that's what yeah, I mean, I think that's that's
Speaker 3: one thing that people do know about Kennedy. I mean,
Speaker 3: he had lots of shall we say, illicit liaisons with
Speaker 3: eligible young women. One of the quotes that I remember
Speaker 3: seeing and when I was writing the book was that
Speaker 3: embedded half the girls on the West Coast or something,
Speaker 3: half the eligible single girls on the West Coast, and
Speaker 3: probably a lot of the married ones as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it was a prolific adulter. I
Speaker 2: shall say he went.
Speaker 1: To Stanford Business School or something like that, right, Did
Speaker 1: he tends Stamford for a little bit?
Speaker 2: Maybe that I can't remember, but I know that he
Speaker 2: went to.
Speaker 3: The boarding school he went to as a as a
Speaker 3: youth as a teenager was choked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know, I can't. I don't whether
Speaker 2: he went to Stanford or.
Speaker 1: Not, But there was there was an interesting aspect of
Speaker 1: him because of this, this kind of like he had
Speaker 1: a decadent as a child of wealth, decadent life. But
Speaker 1: he was curious about stuff that was happening in the
Speaker 1: UK at the time of his presidency, something known as
Speaker 1: the Profumo affair. And you said word about that. But
Speaker 1: he was tied into that affair. It's probably one of
Speaker 1: the main reasons why he was interested in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tied into I think it was. He
Speaker 3: asked all his aides and secretaries and et cetera to
Speaker 3: keep him up to speed on it all the time.
Speaker 3: I mean he was fascinated by it because I think
Speaker 3: he was actually running a little scared because it's known
Speaker 3: that he.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you just dropped out right there.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 3: I think he wanted to be kept up to speed
Speaker 3: on the Perfume Perfumer affair and how it was progressing
Speaker 3: because he'd been involved sexually with one of the women
Speaker 3: that was involved in the Perfumer affair.
Speaker 2: Do you want to give a little bit of background
Speaker 2: to Perfuma affair?
Speaker 1: Yes, please do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, this was a big scandal in the
Speaker 3: UK in nineteen sixty one. I think it was where
Speaker 3: the Minister of War Don Perfumo was involved in a
Speaker 3: scandal because he was having a.
Speaker 2: Love affair sexual.
Speaker 3: Affair with a woman who turned out to be a
Speaker 3: Russian spy and who had been also having an affair
Speaker 3: with the Russian some Russian diplomat in the UK, quite
Speaker 3: a high ranking diplomat. But obviously the implications there were staggering.
Speaker 3: It was the height of the Cold War and our
Speaker 3: Minister of War was, you know, sleeping with a girl
Speaker 3: who was also having an affair with, you know, the
Speaker 3: one of the one of the major Russian diplomats, So
Speaker 3: it was. It was a big thing in the UK,
Speaker 3: and I was only a small boy at the time.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Christine.
Speaker 3: It was all over the newspapers and the TV and
Speaker 3: the radio and all that sort of stuff. But as
Speaker 3: it turned out, Kennedy had also been having an affair
Speaker 3: with the same woman, so I think he was pretty
Speaker 3: scared that he was going to get somehow dragged into
Speaker 3: it and get his name dragged through the mud.
Speaker 2: And obviously that would have resulted.
Speaker 1: In Yeah, and there was Mariella Novatni, right, it was.
Speaker 1: It was so Mariella. And there was a movie about
Speaker 1: it here or in the State Scandal, I think it
Speaker 1: was done.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, I think it was a British movie,
Speaker 3: wasn't it. But he probably got it over there too.
Speaker 1: No, it was. It was very interesting and interesting story.
Speaker 1: Stephen Ward was the guy who was the kind of
Speaker 1: pimp of these young girls, and he was into black
Speaker 1: magic and he was member. He was associating with all
Speaker 1: these other people in that society, the craze, all this
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I kind of covered that in my
Speaker 1: book talked about Tom Dreiberg and all these other kind
Speaker 1: of unsafe characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well dry Berg was a it was a communist,
Speaker 3: wasn't as it turned out, it was a yeah that's
Speaker 3: another story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, another story. But he was very interesting. He was
Speaker 1: supposed to be alstro Croley's there and I was supposed
Speaker 1: to beget a guy who was going to carry on
Speaker 1: the work, but he didn't seem to take to it.
Speaker 1: Like but yeah, there were those sixties and there were
Speaker 1: full of scandal in the UK. There was all kinds
Speaker 1: of scandals and things going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So just to continue the story a little
Speaker 3: bit now, So obviously Kenned is involved now. And not
Speaker 3: long after he took office there was the Cuba missile crisis.
Speaker 3: Of course, before that there was a bare pigs fiasco.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that right?
Speaker 3: And after that that was an invasion of Cuba for
Speaker 3: those who don't know, the planned invasion of Kuba, which
Speaker 3: Kennedy had sort of approved.
Speaker 2: But that was a disaster.
Speaker 3: They were all basically they killed or captured on the
Speaker 3: beach by the Cubans, and that didn't go down too
Speaker 3: well with the American public. So Kennedy's population popularity rating
Speaker 3: in the first year of his office was probably the
Speaker 3: worst in entire history of the US. I mean, it
Speaker 3: was so low. So he had to do certain things,
Speaker 3: Kennedy to actually try and improve his popularity rating. And
Speaker 3: one of the things that sort of came afterwards was
Speaker 3: the Cuban missile crisis, which again is a whole other story,
Speaker 3: but I believe that was entirely contrived with the connivance
Speaker 3: of Khrushchov in order to as far as Kennedy was concerned,
Speaker 3: to improve his popularity, and of course he did, and
Speaker 3: he went through the roof after the Cuban missile crisis
Speaker 3: because he was seen as the savior of mank kind. Basically,
Speaker 3: you know that that the world was on the brink
Speaker 3: of nuclear war as we all thought, or as they
Speaker 3: all thought, and and Kennedy was the It was the
Speaker 3: seventh Cavalry right riding over the hill. So he saved
Speaker 3: the day, and this popular popularity went went through the roof, right.
Speaker 1: But the Big Pigs, I think the Bay of Pigs
Speaker 1: is key to the assassination because it involved his conflicts
Speaker 1: with the deep state at that time and led to
Speaker 1: the dismissal the head of the CIA, John Foster, John Dole.
Speaker 1: It was it John Dole's or one of the Dolls brothers,
Speaker 1: John John Foss Dolls who ended up being on the
Speaker 1: commission that oversaw the assassination. I mean, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Like you look at those pictures, It's like this is
Speaker 1: about as legit as a three dollars bill. So yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, and he Kennedy was no friend of the CIA.
Speaker 1: He made statements that I'm going to blow it up
Speaker 1: to smothereens or so, you know, he was he was.
Speaker 3: Went to the CIA into a thousand paces. So yeah,
Speaker 3: so him and the CI were not best buddies, right, correct.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you see this him just kind of
Speaker 1: making more and more enemies as his administrator, as his
Speaker 1: presidency you know, progressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And of course Bobby Kennedy, his brother, who was the
Speaker 3: oh gosh, what was his position he.
Speaker 1: Was, I think he was the attorney general. Attorney general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was going after the he was going
Speaker 3: after the mafia as well, of course, which didn't go
Speaker 3: down too well because you know, it was all supposed
Speaker 3: to be one big cozy tea party wasn't it. You know,
Speaker 3: all these all these factions all sitting hand in hand,
Speaker 3: cozying up to each other, enjoying a great relationship. You know,
Speaker 3: they weren't expecting that anybody in the US government was
Speaker 3: ever going to come down on them like they did.
Speaker 2: So that was the mafia. We've already covered the CIA.
Speaker 3: These are all factions that are getting there and slapped
Speaker 3: by the by the new administration, and murmurings and murmurings
Speaker 3: about all this, and yeah, and then of course the
Speaker 3: next thing was well, another important thing to mention is
Speaker 3: the situation with LBJ as well Johnson. Of course, the
Speaker 3: Kennedy and Johnson absolutely loathed and detested each other. They
Speaker 3: were the only reason that Kennedy had asked LBJ to
Speaker 3: be his running mate was that LBJ had a lot
Speaker 3: of influence in the Deep South and amongst the oil people,
Speaker 3: whereas Kennedy was very much an Eastern establishment kind of guy,
Speaker 3: wasn't he, And so he had.
Speaker 2: A lot of sort of support on the seaboard.
Speaker 3: But when you get down into the Deep South and
Speaker 3: the and the especially the oil regions, you know, Texas
Speaker 3: and other states, he he wasn't popular at all.
Speaker 2: So he needed somebody like LBJ. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I think if lb jared not being on the ticket,
Speaker 3: I think Kennedy would have lost quite heavily actually, So yeah,
Speaker 3: so LBJ and Kenddy hated each other, and he only
Speaker 3: tolerated him for the support that he would bring from
Speaker 3: other areas of the country that he knew that were
Speaker 3: his weakest positions. So, I mean LBJ was as corrupt
Speaker 3: as they come as well. He was into all sorts
Speaker 3: of different things. And again I don't cover all that
Speaker 3: in the book.
Speaker 1: But he had a history of murder leading up to
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, right, and yeah it had was Mac
Speaker 1: Wallace was his hitman killed his sister, Like I really don't.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, absolutely, yeah, I do cover that
Speaker 3: in my in my book Behind the Curtain. Actually it's
Speaker 3: not in the JFK book obviously it's a bit of
Speaker 3: a diversion. But yeah, so you know, these these these
Speaker 3: players are mounting up. Now we've got the Mafia, we've
Speaker 3: got the CIA, And as I was saying, LBJ was
Speaker 3: a big anti I think LBJ was deeply involved in
Speaker 3: it as well.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, that's yeah.
Speaker 3: But the other side of the coin with with LBJ
Speaker 3: was the fact that Kennedy upset all lbj's supporters.
Speaker 2: In big Oil.
Speaker 3: There was something called the oil depletion allowance that have
Speaker 3: been going on ever since the oil industry had been
Speaker 3: born in the late nineteenth century, and the all depletion
Speaker 3: allowance basically said that it actually allowed you to offset
Speaker 3: a large amount of tax other than the normal standard
Speaker 3: business allowances, So so other industries weren't necessarily subject, you know,
Speaker 3: I had this tax allowable element to their incomes.
Speaker 2: If you like.
Speaker 3: But it was just particularly for the oil industry, and
Speaker 3: nobody really knows why than probably lobbying, but I think
Speaker 3: it was something like it meant that you got a
Speaker 3: thirty percent what's the word, I'm looking for, a thirty allowance,
Speaker 3: whereas much other industries was twenty five percent, or it
Speaker 3: could have even been twenty percent. So it was a
Speaker 3: big difference anywhere between all the different industries and oil,
Speaker 3: and kennedyth said quite rightly, this.
Speaker 2: Is not right.
Speaker 3: You know, we can't have one industry that is, you know,
Speaker 3: benefiting in this way to the detriment of.
Speaker 2: All the others. Will scrap the old depleation allowance. So
Speaker 2: that's what it did.
Speaker 3: In effect, what the old depletion allowance meant to the
Speaker 3: oil industry was that they could go do some speculative
Speaker 3: drilling anywhere in the oil regions, and if four out
Speaker 3: of the five wells ended up being dry, then they
Speaker 3: still made of it. You know, even with one well operating,
Speaker 3: they could still make a profit. But of course without
Speaker 3: that allowance then that wouldn't have been the case.
Speaker 2: So you can.
Speaker 3: Imagine the powerful big oil industrict interested in Texas, of
Speaker 3: which LBJ was there the facto head, if you like,
Speaker 3: he was their figurehead, were mightily upset by this. So again,
Speaker 3: you know, we've got to tack those people onto the
Speaker 3: list of people.
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, I mean there's not a list of people
Speaker 1: he was making friends with. Really, he was just kind
Speaker 1: of not making alliances that would support him. I think
Speaker 1: he alienated the Joint Chief of Staff, He alienated fired
Speaker 1: a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and Hoover as well, who was intrintingly
Speaker 3: involved with the mafia. J Hoover obviously he was upset
Speaker 3: as well. So the FBI as well, that they were
Speaker 3: they were you know, you can add them to the
Speaker 3: list too. Hoover was, as you pointed out of it
Speaker 3: was in bed with the mafia, and a big crack
Speaker 3: down from Bobby Kennedy on the mafia did not go
Speaker 3: down well with him obviously because it impacted on him
Speaker 3: and his lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Right prostrates homosexuality. I mean, what was that guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: his I think his secretary was his lover, right, I
Speaker 1: forgot his name, but at that time, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: very scandalous, but he I mean I think really you
Speaker 1: get into chapter five is really where you kind of
Speaker 1: talk about the ritual aspects, but also these global fronts
Speaker 1: where that all these people were associated. Really like Clay Shaw,
Speaker 1: who features in the Oliverstone j JFK movie and the
Speaker 1: Garrison investigation was part of these kind of right wing
Speaker 1: fascist central Mandy is a commerciality, the Italian so Jan
Speaker 1: also you know, he had these weird CIA connections and
Speaker 1: was also interesting character.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the Olive Stone movie.
Speaker 2: JFK was quite good as far as it went. I mean, he.
Speaker 3: Actually opened the door if you like to to other investigations.
Speaker 3: But but the movie itself was a bit of a
Speaker 3: letdown in many ways because you know, I think it
Speaker 3: was actually it ended up actually being part of the
Speaker 3: cover up, I think, and it wasn't as shall we say,
Speaker 3: as enlightening as as it could have been, and it
Speaker 3: focused on on all these I just as you pointed
Speaker 3: out all these different elements that were involved, I mean they.
Speaker 2: And again that.
Speaker 3: But but you know, I think, as we said before,
Speaker 3: there they weren't the major players.
Speaker 2: They were just the foot soldiers in the operation.
Speaker 3: I think I think actually the key player was a
Speaker 3: guy called George the Moronshield who was descended from Russian aristocracy,
Speaker 3: and he was actually really weirdly and nobody can understand why,
Speaker 3: or maybe they can. He was a friend of Oswald's,
Speaker 3: which was really strange because Oswald was an ordinary working
Speaker 3: guy and yet this guy, this ex rush from a
Speaker 3: family of Russian aristocrat he befriended Oswald for some reason,
Speaker 3: and he seemed to be his mentor, and there was
Speaker 3: all sorts of connections.
Speaker 2: To Russia, if you remember, with Oswald.
Speaker 3: And again some people believe I'm not absolute one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: but some people believe that there were actually two Oswald's,
Speaker 3: one of them created by the CIA just to cause confusion.
Speaker 3: So that you know, it sounds fantastic to say that
Speaker 3: the CIA actually created a look alike, a double, if
Speaker 3: you like, and actually let him grow up totally independently
Speaker 3: of each other, these two Oswald's characters, just on the
Speaker 3: off chance that they might need him for something, some
Speaker 3: covert operation in the in the future.
Speaker 2: And this was one of the ones because there was
Speaker 2: another set of doubles.
Speaker 3: Well because again what I cover it very briefly in
Speaker 3: the book, But what happened was was that they were
Speaker 3: actually going to assassinate Kennedy in Chicago.
Speaker 1: First off, there was a Miami operation too.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's right, but but the I can't remember why,
Speaker 3: but the plan backfired and so they had to call
Speaker 3: that off. I think I think word got out, didn't it.
Speaker 3: There was a possible assassination. Was it so that the
Speaker 3: trip was canceled or something? But apparently, and so I believe,
Speaker 3: so I've read there was another set of doubles that
Speaker 3: they were going to use in that particular plot had
Speaker 3: it come to that. So it must be a common occurrence.
Speaker 3: And they've got these to these two sets of you know,
Speaker 3: more than two sets of people probably all the time
Speaker 3: who were doubles, and they can use in the obfuscation
Speaker 3: after the event.
Speaker 1: But the reason, one of the confirmations that there were
Speaker 1: doubles is that the Oswald was in two places at
Speaker 1: the same time, right, Like, he was seen in Mexico
Speaker 1: City and I think it was Louisiana at the same
Speaker 1: time New Orleans. A're right, so he can't be at
Speaker 1: both places. But people are seeing him and you know,
Speaker 1: we are how do you how do you resolve that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And even on the day I mean they was seen
Speaker 3: in you know, on the day of the assassination, he
Speaker 3: was seen in two different places at once. Because Oswald
Speaker 3: was supposed to have murdered the police officer tipp it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's but he was seen in.
Speaker 3: Another place in Dallas at the same time by a
Speaker 3: different people. And of course you then get because of
Speaker 3: the because of the whole thing is is a complete
Speaker 3: lie and a complete you know, fabrication. You get all
Speaker 3: these anomaloes of people seeing different elements of it in
Speaker 3: different ways, and of course then that needs a bit
Speaker 3: of a clean up operation.
Speaker 2: So then you get so.
Speaker 3: Then you you get what's called some people may have
Speaker 3: heard of the Clinton body count, Well this is the
Speaker 3: Kennedy body count.
Speaker 2: Because there were literally hundreds.
Speaker 3: Of people who were actually died in very very suspicious
Speaker 3: circumstances in the ears following the assassination, all who were
Speaker 3: sort of vaguely, you know, peripherally involved in many different
Speaker 3: aspects of that day.
Speaker 1: Right, So like de Morenschild himself supposedly.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Yeah, I mean he died very suddenly the day
Speaker 3: he was supposed to appear at one of the hearings,
Speaker 3: didn't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually very common in DC. If you're supposed
Speaker 1: to attend to hearing, your likelihood of dying mysteriously forty
Speaker 1: eight hours ahead is very high. It's not just a Mornchill.
Speaker 1: But if you read there was a family of Secrets.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the author, but there
Speaker 1: are papers between De Moornchill talking to George Bussr. And
Speaker 1: de Morenchild's basically pleading for his life. Yeah, it's clearly saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry, I'm going to keep my mouth shut. No,
Speaker 1: it is not forbade him, but he's it's doing it
Speaker 1: in a very you know, in something of an educated person.
Speaker 1: Of those he was a white Russian. He was part
Speaker 1: of the group that resisted the Soviets, and his family
Speaker 1: is basically destroyed and kicked out, but also an oil man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was. I mean, there are papers there
Speaker 1: that do exist talking between him and Georgia was Sor
Speaker 1: He was at an oil meeting supposedly at on the
Speaker 1: day of the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so yeah, I mean, just to go back to
Speaker 3: all these different factions that Jeff cop said for me,
Speaker 3: I mean, there was all the ones that have already mentioned,
Speaker 3: Big Oil, LBJ, the.
Speaker 2: Mafia, CIA, the FBI.
Speaker 3: Importantly, I think it's worth mentioning financial Empire as well.
Speaker 3: In was it sixty three years just before or He
Speaker 3: was killed, wasn't it he issued Executive Order one zero,
Speaker 3: which was effectively bypassing the Federal Reserve and their ability
Speaker 3: to create money from thin air and charge interest on it.
Speaker 2: He thought that that was a bad idea, which of
Speaker 2: course it is.
Speaker 3: But of course the Federal Reserve and their power through
Speaker 3: the Crown Empire is all encompassing really, and they were
Speaker 3: not going to sit back and let Kennedy issue his
Speaker 3: own currency. You know, that would have been the end
Speaker 3: of their gravy train, you know, So again we can
Speaker 3: add them to the list that you know, Big Finance
Speaker 3: were a major, major player in all this and the
Speaker 3: things all coming together now. And of course the Bushes
Speaker 3: as well. You mentioned very briefly jeje H. W. Bush there,
Speaker 3: and you know they had their hearts set on being
Speaker 3: a presidential dynasty as well, so you know, they got
Speaker 3: all sorts of bolting ambitions along those lines. So and
Speaker 3: Bush was, well, we all know what kind of a
Speaker 3: guy Bush was, I think, so you know we can
Speaker 3: have it add him to the list. And you know
Speaker 3: the Bush family itself, not just HW but his father
Speaker 3: Prescott as well. I think they were all you know,
Speaker 3: they were all involved too.
Speaker 1: It's just remarkable to the Kennedy dynasty was basically destroyed
Speaker 1: over time. You know. So when Robert then the JFK Jr.
Speaker 3: Edward as well, I mean Edward was disgraced with chap
Speaker 3: equit that was probably of his own making, I guess,
Speaker 3: But but he was, you know, he would I think
Speaker 3: he was. Was he standing for election?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to become president. He was trying
Speaker 1: to find the line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So of course, I mean, so that's as you say,
Speaker 3: you know that the John and Bobby and then the
Speaker 3: younger brother Edward Edward, you know, after the chap equittic
Speaker 3: it's and then Edward never stood a chance of becoming
Speaker 3: president because of the state that it created.
Speaker 1: Basically, JFK was it. Robert Rothk said that he was
Speaker 1: going to get to bottom up, get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of his brothers assassination, and that then.
Speaker 3: He had to go Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, of
Speaker 3: course he was probably getting too close to the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just insane. So, I mean there's I think
Speaker 1: that what's really interesting about the book is you tie
Speaker 1: this kind of Crown power through you know, perm index,
Speaker 1: these known talks, the New Orleans trademark that were covered
Speaker 1: in JFK's movie, and the Garrison investigation, all these things.
Speaker 1: This guy Stevenson, William Stevenson, who was in Jamaica that
Speaker 1: you think assembled it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got Stevenson's m I six as well, which
Speaker 3: is the British Foreign Intelligence Service. So again you know
Speaker 3: that that's another sort of proof if you like that
Speaker 3: it wasn't just an internal deal, you know, it was
Speaker 3: it was the British ground and m I six is
Speaker 3: an integral part of British Crown. It's their security service anything.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Stephenson was a big player in it, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And what is it? Ian Fleming wrote the the guidelines
Speaker 1: for the founding of the CIA from the OSS like
Speaker 1: he Fleming actually traveled to the US to write the
Speaker 1: paper to set up the CIA. Have you ever heard that? No?
Speaker 2: I didn't. Interesting, Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's friends with Stevenson and Jamaica, the Trial Club
Speaker 1: and you and I talked about the Circua offline, you know,
Speaker 1: So there's all these clubs are very patriotic, pseudo fascist
Speaker 1: or real fascist people all involved in this death yea,
Speaker 1: the death of absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But just to sort of round round off about the
Speaker 3: book itself, Yeah, I mean, as I say, the details
Speaker 3: of the actual assassination and all the aftermath, it's probably
Speaker 3: prettysh standard stuff. I mean, I will be the first
Speaker 3: I've met that, although you know, it's my take on it,
Speaker 3: of a but I don't think there's possibly any vastly
Speaker 3: new information within that aspect of it. But as you say,
Speaker 3: the whole premise of the book is how it it
Speaker 3: wasn't just.
Speaker 2: An internal operation.
Speaker 3: It was probably a worldwide thing, you know, especially with
Speaker 3: the British influence, And I think that's what makes the
Speaker 3: book different and stand out from the crowd, if you like,
Speaker 3: to my humble opinion.
Speaker 1: You know that's great. Well, I definitely recommend the book.
Speaker 1: Is there anything, but we're at forty five minutes. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you'd like to add or other than that?
Speaker 3: I can't really think of anything, William, to be honest,
Speaker 3: the basics of it, I mean, there's we go into
Speaker 3: masses of detail, but I think you know that's probably.
Speaker 1: That's what the book is for. People, Go get the book.
Speaker 1: JFK very British coupe John Hamer. Another great book of
Speaker 1: his that I read is The Falsification of History Are
Speaker 1: Destroyed Reality. I haven't read John's books about the banking
Speaker 1: cartoonal I don't know if I could, I could actually
Speaker 1: go through without you know, getting too depressed about the
Speaker 1: whole banking system. I don't know if I can read those.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this, yeah, I think you wouldn't enjoy it though, will.
Speaker 3: As I said to people, it's not just about the
Speaker 3: banking cartel itself, because people said to me in the
Speaker 3: past and I'm not interested in money and banking. It
Speaker 3: bores me to death. Now I can't I couldn't read
Speaker 3: a book about that. But the point about the book is,
Speaker 3: and it's probably not very well. In the blurb on
Speaker 3: the book, you know, the cover, the cover info. It's
Speaker 3: really about how the banking cartel. First of all, it's
Speaker 3: about it goes into details about how it came about
Speaker 3: and the history of banking and money.
Speaker 2: But I don't I only generalize.
Speaker 3: I don't spend too much time on that, and then
Speaker 3: I go into the banking families and all the families,
Speaker 3: all the sort of bloodline families who run the world.
Speaker 3: And really what the book is about is how the
Speaker 3: banking industry has been their foundation stone, has been the
Speaker 3: the platform that they've used to control the rest of
Speaker 3: the world, and what they've actually done through the rest
Speaker 3: of the world. It's like if you like it, so
Speaker 3: it's like an expansion on the falsifica closification. History is
Speaker 3: more or less a series of chapters knitted together.
Speaker 2: You could read those chapters in any order. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: make a bit of difference.
Speaker 3: But basically, c but you behind the Curtain covers the
Speaker 3: whole thing from start to finish, and its foundation stone
Speaker 3: is the banking system. But that it's only that that
Speaker 3: gives people the money and the power to be able
Speaker 3: to do what they've done to the world for what's
Speaker 3: three centuries.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the way it is. When these families
Speaker 1: make money, the first thing they do is go start
Speaker 1: a bank, so they make all money, start a bank, rockets,
Speaker 1: all start Chase Melon bank, all these people. That's really
Speaker 1: because that's really arguments and expands their power. It's really true.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: It's the money that gives them the power and at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, and that's really what as
Speaker 3: I said, well that's what the books about.
Speaker 1: All right. Cool JFK a very British coupe. John Hamer
Speaker 1: h A. M. E. R. Check it out. Thank you, John,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. William Okay,