Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Speaker 1: ignition with the AAW fantab Podcast team Fright Night Dynamite
Speaker 1: coming up. We're going to talk about it. Let's see
Speaker 1: if we get anything right, Let's see what we get wrong,
Speaker 1: and let's see if we well are idiots. It's the
Speaker 1: best way to put it. I will attest that I
Speaker 1: am an idiot. So I'm going to move myself from
Speaker 1: that competition. Let's get started. This is Kelson and Well.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest matches tomorrow night is the Young
Speaker 1: Bucks versus Private Party. If Private Party loses this match,
Speaker 1: they have to split up by their own stipulation. If
Speaker 1: they win, they're the AAW World Tag Team Champions. What
Speaker 1: do you guys see going on here in this match?
Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
Speaker 2: It's time for Tony Kahan to start taking some some
Speaker 2: some liberties with storytelling. I think, and this is good,
Speaker 2: Like the Young Bucks is one of my favorite tag teams,
Speaker 2: but I think it's time for them to drop these belts.
Speaker 2: I have a running theory right now, which I know
Speaker 2: it's a it's a pipe dream, but this is how
Speaker 2: Kenny Omega and Coda Bhie is they're making their way
Speaker 2: back in like they'll interfere. Young Bucks will drop, Kenny
Speaker 2: will get his revenge. Private Party is finally getting put over.
Speaker 2: They are wildly, wildly talented, and the fact that they
Speaker 2: haven't been put owners put over sooner is kind of
Speaker 2: a slight to what they brought to the table their
Speaker 2: Day one tag team. They've been with the promotion of
Speaker 2: the whole time. They've certainly jobbed enough. They put they
Speaker 2: put their time in. So I mean, I'm hoping that, uh,
Speaker 2: I hope. I'm hoping Private Party goes over.
Speaker 3: So Shane, I want to jump on, Shane, I want
Speaker 3: to jump on what you were just saying. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be Kenny Omega and Coda Bougie that
Speaker 3: get involved in this match, but instead I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be the BCC, which is why I'm kind of
Speaker 3: thinking this is going to be the main event for
Speaker 3: Dynamite tomorrow night, because the BCC storyline has kind of
Speaker 3: been that closing angle on Dynamite lately. But if you remember,
Speaker 3: it was a few weeks ago, John Moxley just walloped
Speaker 3: I think it was Isaiah Cassidy if I remember correctly,
Speaker 3: With a freaking hammer. So Moxley, you know, after Private
Speaker 3: Party wins the tag team titles, Moxley could come on
Speaker 3: almost be like the cheshire Cat, being like, see I
Speaker 3: did the right thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to the Rowland's point, to Rawlins's point. Every time
Speaker 1: that the young Bucks have been out, when the BCC
Speaker 1: and out, they've done nothing. They've just been spectators. So
Speaker 1: maybe that plays in to it. Maybe bACC says, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you're just you're the EVPs. You're just standing around. Aren't
Speaker 1: you going to defend this company? If you're not going
Speaker 1: to defend this company, we will in their own sick way,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, Barry.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think I think both of you guys are
Speaker 4: kind of partially right. I think when everything settles, Private
Speaker 4: Party is going to get the straps. It's time, and
Speaker 4: if they're going to push Youth, that's that's the team
Speaker 4: you want to push in the tag division. For now,
Speaker 4: I don't think that. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 4: change hands tomorrow night. I think you're onto something with
Speaker 4: the interference. There's no way they're going to get split up.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if I want to drop it
Speaker 4: on a fright night as opposed to full gear. I
Speaker 4: think the third the rubber match between them is the money.
Speaker 4: But at the same token, I wouldn't be shocked that
Speaker 4: BCC does come in and actually interferes to assist private
Speaker 4: party to get those belt and that ends up being
Speaker 4: the tag team add to that group. And I traced
Speaker 4: that all the way back to when Max came out
Speaker 4: and did the hammer thing. He told them it was
Speaker 4: time for them to change and step up. Next week
Speaker 4: they had a new theme song. They've been a little
Speaker 4: harder around the edges. I think it'll all tie back
Speaker 4: together in my shape or form. I don't know why
Speaker 4: I did the circle thing with my.
Speaker 1: Well, nobody can see you, not the recording, but the
Speaker 1: handsprings or whatever.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Yeah, I think it's going to tie in.
Speaker 6: If if the death Riter is what they're being called now,
Speaker 6: I guess is that they're going to use that in
Speaker 6: a way just to poke the bear a little bit
Speaker 6: with the lead and cause them to love and say, hey,
Speaker 6: you don't you don't want to get involved with anything.
Speaker 6: Then guess what, You don't deserve those belts, so we're
Speaker 6: gonna take them off of you somehow.
Speaker 5: And I don't think Firefire is going.
Speaker 6: To join them because Private Party needs to be their
Speaker 6: own entity and do their own their own thing, because
Speaker 6: they've been struck in groups forever, you know, for god
Speaker 6: knows how long they were stuck with Matt freakin Hardy,
Speaker 6: and they need to rebound on their own and this
Speaker 6: is the way to do it and get them an edge.
Speaker 6: I do want to see someone else in that group
Speaker 6: for a trios, but I don't know who. But it's
Speaker 6: time for them to show who they are.
Speaker 4: With with all due respect, death Writers are a drastic
Speaker 4: step up from the Matt Hardy whatever that group was
Speaker 4: called back, what was it? The Matt Hardy? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, but I get your point. I think I
Speaker 4: think you're you're you're close.
Speaker 7: Yeah again.
Speaker 3: I think the thing with Moxley's group is Moxley's doing
Speaker 3: all these horrible, horrible things. I think in his mind
Speaker 3: it's the right thing, because he's trying to light a
Speaker 3: fire under the young talents ass and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: you guys have been here since day one, and five
Speaker 3: years later, where are you? You're nine a better place
Speaker 3: than you were from the beginning. So I think that's
Speaker 3: kind of his goal, and it starts by getting the
Speaker 3: tag team titles onto Private party.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, it's fantasy booking to imagine
Speaker 2: Coda and Kenny are coming back.
Speaker 8: I don't want to slide back into that being a conversation.
Speaker 2: And it makes most sense for the BCC to interfere
Speaker 2: because it puts them in a more compait, like a
Speaker 2: more commanding position as leaders in aew It dismantles the EVPs.
Speaker 2: Those are the guys that are supposed to be directly
Speaker 2: under you know, Tony Kahan, you know, But I never
Speaker 2: want to discount that. Technically, Hangman is a EVP and
Speaker 2: Kenny is an EVP, and they both have.
Speaker 8: Scores to settle with everyone involved with this feud.
Speaker 4: So is Hangar and EVP in storyline though?
Speaker 8: It's no, yeah, it.
Speaker 9: Come it comes down to this.
Speaker 10: It's it's too it's too early for the BCC or
Speaker 10: whatever they're calling themselves now to get involved with the Eleaite.
Speaker 10: It's not that time for that storyline yet. I I
Speaker 10: don't see them coming out and doing anything in that match.
Speaker 10: I don't think that's going to be the match.
Speaker 9: I think that they're they're kind of playing this up
Speaker 9: to me.
Speaker 10: It seems like they're kind of playing this up that
Speaker 10: Private Party is about to be done.
Speaker 9: They're going to split them up.
Speaker 10: I think it's going to involve uh, what's his name
Speaker 10: the I can't think of his name right now, But
Speaker 10: I just don't yes stokely, I don't think it's going
Speaker 10: to go. I don't think they're losing it at fright Night.
Speaker 10: I just don't see him losing the titles at fright Night.
Speaker 10: Maybe it will be something else that causes as a
Speaker 10: no contest, so they could do it at the pay
Speaker 10: per view. If for some reason, Private Party does win
Speaker 10: the titles, I don't see him holding them for long.
Speaker 10: I don't see him holding them past full gear. But
Speaker 10: I just think I love I love Private Party, but
Speaker 10: they have been too low mid for too long that
Speaker 10: it's going to take longer than two weeks to build
Speaker 10: them up to the point where they should hold the titles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I think that's part of Moxley's mission.
Speaker 10: Is it be can be part of his mission, But
Speaker 10: it's not gonna I don't think a lot of fans
Speaker 10: are going to buy that type of turnaround in that
Speaker 10: short of time.
Speaker 9: I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 11: I can see it happening, and I think that if
Speaker 11: you take Moxley and and the rest of the Death
Speaker 11: Writers out of the equation and you make it about
Speaker 11: the Young Bucks and Private Party, I think that it's
Speaker 11: fright night where a lot of crazy things happen, and
Speaker 11: I think that Private Party absolutely is going to beat
Speaker 11: the Young Bucks. I've been saying this for weeks now
Speaker 11: that their moment is coming, and if anything, I really
Speaker 11: do have a feeling that if there's going to be interference,
Speaker 11: I think it's Kenny and Aboushi, and I don't think
Speaker 11: we have to wait for the pay per views to
Speaker 11: see it. I think that it's just going to happen unexpectedly.
Speaker 11: They've been goofing around and hinting about it way too
Speaker 11: much for it not to happen, and it's going to
Speaker 11: happen when none of us are thinking about it. So
Speaker 11: that's my thing.
Speaker 4: I think the fantasy booking aspect of Coda and Kenny
Speaker 4: coming in makes a lot of sense when that was pitched,
Speaker 4: and that was something that I thought a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago as well. But a lot of that hinges
Speaker 4: on whether Kenny's cleared and how much bumping he can do,
Speaker 4: because if they come in and interfere, if he's not
Speaker 4: cleared for a few months, like Aw's had. One thing
Speaker 4: is it takes too long for them to get to
Speaker 4: the payoffs. Could that be a problem. I mean, do
Speaker 4: you do you think if he's not cleared and they
Speaker 4: get a little ahead of ahead of themselves, if they
Speaker 4: were to were to interfere and cause the Bucks to
Speaker 4: lose the straps? Can they bank on those two being available.
Speaker 9: They don't even have to show up to cause them
Speaker 9: to lose the title.
Speaker 10: All they got on the videos.
Speaker 4: That's a good point, works, Yeah, or I don't.
Speaker 10: Didn't someone didn't somewhere not long ago a Booshi say
Speaker 10: that it was going to be a little while before
Speaker 10: Kenny was ready. Yeah, I'm thinking that's a world's end
Speaker 10: kind of thing or something like that. Is I think
Speaker 10: it's too early for them go ahead?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you had something to say.
Speaker 8: Well, again, I want to put something in perspective.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been watching Kenny Omega now for over
Speaker 2: a decade, and there is like Kenny is going to
Speaker 2: go through stages of recovery.
Speaker 8: First off, he's going to be up.
Speaker 2: And running, then he's going to be a ring ready
Speaker 2: and then he has to be Kenny Omega ring ready.
Speaker 8: He's not going to step back in the ring until
Speaker 8: he's a to hit all the spots. So he's been
Speaker 8: like that across his entire career, through every single injury.
Speaker 2: And to note on the a Boushie kind of alluding
Speaker 2: to them returning to aw you know, last week of
Speaker 2: Boushie gave a two and a half month timeline for
Speaker 2: the both of them. You know, Kenny obviously had a
Speaker 2: potentially career ending you know, diverticulitis lost, you know, twelve
Speaker 2: inches feet of his lower intestines, that that there's no
Speaker 2: conceivable reality where he should have retired. Then I think
Speaker 2: he's coming to back to do his farewell to Harder.
Speaker 2: But that does start with screwing over the young Bucks
Speaker 2: and getting his revenge.
Speaker 4: So do you just have his music hit and then
Speaker 4: they're like what the heck and the crowd goes crazy
Speaker 4: and then they get a quick roll up to the
Speaker 4: flash pin or.
Speaker 12: Something That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4: And then Kenny comes out of the end and he's
Speaker 4: like haha, so he doesn't have to be like yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean that works.
Speaker 1: With Kenny and a Bushie. They don't have to be
Speaker 1: in the arena to be effective. Well, let's hear from you,
Speaker 1: because I know that you came back specifically to say something,
Speaker 1: so I see what you have to say.
Speaker 13: Oh, I just don't feel like working yo, all right,
Speaker 13: So I like what I'm hearing. I like the idea.
Speaker 13: I didn't even think about Kenny returning. I didn't think
Speaker 13: about Bushi returning.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 13: I can't top it. But I don't think Private Party
Speaker 13: are losing this match. I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 13: It doesn't make sense, Like, why would they completely deflate
Speaker 13: them at this point?
Speaker 8: You know, their their whole story.
Speaker 13: Arc up to this point for the last few weeks
Speaker 13: is are they good enough? Can they step up? Can
Speaker 13: they rise to this challenge and actually win the big one?
Speaker 13: I don't really know what's going to happen. I can't
Speaker 13: tell you. I do wonder if Stokely is going to
Speaker 13: play a role in this, because he has been sitting,
Speaker 13: and he has been I have a feeling it relates
Speaker 13: with Top Plate because they're also you know, evolved with
Speaker 13: BCC and kind of rubbing elbows with Private Part already.
Speaker 13: I just I can't formulate exactly what's going to happen,
Speaker 13: but I do think Private Party is going to win
Speaker 13: the tag straps tomorrow. And I think I think Matt
Speaker 13: Jackson he needs to tie his shoe on tight because
Speaker 13: I see it fall it falls off.
Speaker 5: That's right, the field sail. I love that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Stokely has to get involved because I thought the
Speaker 6: other few weeks ago they.
Speaker 5: That one of them at was.
Speaker 6: We're thinking maybe they do need a change, and maybe
Speaker 6: Stokely does get involved and play some type of trick
Speaker 6: and says, see, I can't help you, but it's time
Speaker 6: for the Bucks to lose. They don't need that title
Speaker 6: at all anymore. And it gives and it gives a
Speaker 6: team a w a title back. They don't have many,
Speaker 6: so it gives him a title.
Speaker 4: Back because all heels have the belts right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have a couple of thoughts to interject here,
Speaker 1: and I've been interested in hearing what do you think
Speaker 1: of these two different thoughts? Everybody? This goes out to everybody.
Speaker 1: The first thought is is if the BCC or Death
Speaker 1: Writers do interfere on behalf of the Young Bucks, how
Speaker 1: is that going to work? Because the Young Bucks are heels,
Speaker 1: BCC or heels. I don't think that we want to see,
Speaker 1: at least I don't want to see the BCC and
Speaker 1: the Young Bucks form a team or a conglomeration, if
Speaker 1: you will, But because I just think that's too much.
Speaker 1: One of the things that the nWo in WCW did
Speaker 1: wrong is that they just got too many people in it.
Speaker 1: Keep it just BCC, maybe a few months from now,
Speaker 1: add somebody else into it. That's one of my thoughts.
Speaker 1: The second of my thoughts is we have this match
Speaker 1: tomorrow night where if the private party loses, they have
Speaker 1: to break up. What if private party actually wins tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: Young Bucks then put forth their rematch clause and Christopher
Speaker 1: Daniels comes out and says, yeah, we can do the rematch.
Speaker 1: But I think it's only fair that if you lose
Speaker 1: the rematch at full gear, you have to break up.
Speaker 1: What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind that we've seen it before. I believe
Speaker 1: it was with Swerving Our Glory and the Acclaim when
Speaker 1: they were going at it. We had one week the
Speaker 1: Acclaimed one or I can't remember who won, but whatever
Speaker 1: it was we had one team win and then a
Speaker 1: week or two later the next team lost. You know,
Speaker 1: they lost it right back. So that is not something
Speaker 1: that AAW has ever shied away from. We've seen it
Speaker 1: a couple of times, especially in the Tag division. I
Speaker 1: believe it's happened twice in fairly recent memory. What do
Speaker 1: you think those two scenarios.
Speaker 2: They break up the Bucks Man, it ain't happening like that.
Speaker 2: Got Matt Jackson would be the I mean Nick and Jack,
Speaker 2: Matt are both fantastic. You know, Matt is the more
Speaker 2: complete package between the two of them, equally skilled, but
Speaker 2: he's got more of a mouthpiece. And they built their
Speaker 2: whole entire careers on the back of each other. They're
Speaker 2: a brother tech team. They're the hearties for this generation.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, because hey, look we've also
Speaker 1: got the Young Bucks have already been announced as a
Speaker 1: team for Russell Dynasty on January fifth, and that way, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'll be giving them back to can't wait.
Speaker 6: I like them to pull Cody and say that if
Speaker 6: you don't win this, you don't get a shot again.
Speaker 6: And you know, like Cody was where he couldn't get
Speaker 6: the championship. If you lose this match, you can't go
Speaker 6: for the titles again because they don't. I mean, they
Speaker 6: could still be the Bucks without titles. They don't. At
Speaker 6: some point they got to stop taking the titles and
Speaker 6: giving the young guys a chance to run with them more.
Speaker 4: I think in this case though, when they strapped up
Speaker 4: the Bucks, the tag team division was a mess, so
Speaker 4: when they put it on them, I didn't see an
Speaker 4: issue with that because there wasn't anybody. My main worry
Speaker 4: with Private Parties build is they slow roll it like
Speaker 4: they did with the Acclaimed and Swerve in Our Glory
Speaker 4: when the switch should have been the week before the
Speaker 4: rematch and they lost a lot of buzz I know
Speaker 4: they wanted to do in New York. If the crowd
Speaker 4: tomorrow night is going bonkers for Private Party and they
Speaker 4: want the straps, I think TK, even if it's not
Speaker 4: the plan, needs to call the audible and put it
Speaker 4: on them. And if the plan is to do the
Speaker 4: rubber match to the paper route, you do it again
Speaker 4: and guess what put them over again? You want to
Speaker 4: establish Private Party as a top tag team. Back to
Speaker 4: back wins over the Bucks there's not a better way
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 14: That's the third Okay, they beat the Private Party, beat
Speaker 14: them in the first tournament to get the title when
Speaker 14: it first started, and then they lost to them at
Speaker 14: the right paper.
Speaker 9: So this, this one tomorrow is the third time.
Speaker 8: A promocative idea.
Speaker 2: What what if this storyline is being used as a
Speaker 2: device to remove the e v P status from the
Speaker 2: Bucks and they take this match and they take this
Speaker 2: match over to to the next pay it to full
Speaker 2: gear and they and they lose.
Speaker 4: So that's the step for the rematch? Is they the
Speaker 4: title that instead of being split up?
Speaker 8: There that's lose the e VP titles. It's creative, let's
Speaker 8: go that's good.
Speaker 6: I'm off for that from the cod family. Then you
Speaker 6: like that, Then it's the Candy being the only v P.
Speaker 3: Well, I think conversation show how unpredictable this match is
Speaker 3: gonna be because we've all presented a number of ideas
Speaker 3: of how this match could go. Like, you know, it
Speaker 3: totally makes sense for the Young Bucks to win and
Speaker 3: retain the titles, but it totally makes sense for Private
Speaker 3: Party to win and become the new tag team champions.
Speaker 13: So what if I got another scenario all right, so
Speaker 13: we've seen kind of some eluding, some seeds planted with
Speaker 13: the thought that Jack Perry turns on the elite and
Speaker 13: and the young bucks. What is is this the spot
Speaker 13: where he costs them the titles.
Speaker 1: And all that's hot?
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, I didn't notice.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't think it's that.
Speaker 10: I don't think it's so much that he's showing that
Speaker 10: he's going to turn on them.
Speaker 9: But he's the one.
Speaker 10: If you watch back to show last week when they
Speaker 10: were saying, you know, when they were starting to duty attack,
Speaker 10: it was Jack that was saying, come on, guys, we
Speaker 10: gotta go, we gotta go, And they were kind of
Speaker 10: the bucks were kind of standing there, and he was
Speaker 10: the woman in his arms around both of them, patting
Speaker 10: them on the chest, saying, come on, we gotta go.
Speaker 9: So, I mean, there there is a little bit of that, but.
Speaker 1: I don't like that could work.
Speaker 9: That could wait.
Speaker 4: Wait, let's go back to the EVP stipulation at the rematch, right,
Speaker 4: If you're gonna turn Perry, that's where you do it.
Speaker 8: Oh, I agree completely, Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But if you're gonna turn parents, that's writers that's
Speaker 4: where you do it.
Speaker 9: I don't like them taking the EVD titles and putting
Speaker 9: it in that.
Speaker 2: I got myself all right, Shane, I got to piggyback
Speaker 2: off a wolf really quick. And I, guys, most of
Speaker 2: you are new to me being here. I have I
Speaker 2: have a bad tendency of hijacking these conversations. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to apologize in advance.
Speaker 12: Yes you do shame.
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm the worst of the smart marks, absolutely horrible person.
Speaker 2: No, what if you know the whole narrative being pushed
Speaker 2: with Jack Perry right now and will find know that
Speaker 2: you know, you guys will kind of see this after
Speaker 2: I say it, But is that he's willing to go
Speaker 2: to the extreme lengths in order to, you know, fulfill
Speaker 2: his goal of taking aw back from you know, the
Speaker 2: everybody else. And that's kind of like the direction the
Speaker 2: death Writers are are headed in right now, so that
Speaker 2: that is probable that that could be used as a
Speaker 2: device to split them. And he finally turns, and then
Speaker 2: the death Writers are belt collecting.
Speaker 3: The only reason I'm not fully on board with the
Speaker 3: Jack Perry face turn idea is because I think they're
Speaker 3: waiting for Kenny Omega the return to do that.
Speaker 12: Few like remember last.
Speaker 3: Week during that weird birthday segment or whatever, it was
Speaker 3: Jack Perry that was cutting the promo, and I believe
Speaker 3: he was the one that done to those organs on
Speaker 3: that birthday cake.
Speaker 10: So, but it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a Perry
Speaker 10: face turn. It would be the Bucks with the face.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 10: Yeah, in this scenario, Perry's joining the death Riders who
Speaker 10: are nowhere.
Speaker 9: Near face, very far from face. So your your par
Speaker 9: the Parry would be the.
Speaker 10: Would be stay where he's at and join them, and
Speaker 10: the Bucks would be turning face and then you could
Speaker 10: get them involved in if that would.
Speaker 9: I love where.
Speaker 4: I love that we fantasy book two weeks of programming
Speaker 4: and we're building on top of that now like the weeks,
Speaker 4: we're putting together some.
Speaker 11: So we need to be in creative.
Speaker 8: Two years on the server.
Speaker 1: Over the last two or three weeks has been putting
Speaker 1: on some great TV.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think it's really strong.
Speaker 1: You've got to build story and that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Sure it's not getting the high ratings right now, but
Speaker 1: you've got to be patient. We know one thing about
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan is that he's patient.
Speaker 9: Yes, you know it's about right now.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, I predicted we will finally know
Speaker 1: what the death Writers are actually up to. Let's man,
Speaker 1: what are because I don't know about the rest of
Speaker 1: you guys, but I am kind of totally confused by
Speaker 1: the whole John Moxley and Death Writers thing. I don't
Speaker 1: really understand what their end goal is. And I think
Speaker 1: that's good storytelling right there, because it's open ended. There's
Speaker 1: every possibility that at the end of this thing can
Speaker 1: come out as the biggest baby faces in a w right.
Speaker 10: And and that's the nice thing about it is to interpretation.
Speaker 11: Yeah, maybe they know something.
Speaker 10: Everybody, everybody there's what sen Here's eight of us in
Speaker 10: here right now, and I guarantee you every single one
Speaker 10: of us has got a different idea about what they're
Speaker 10: up to. And that's just us A that doesn't count
Speaker 10: the thousands and thousands and thousands of other people who
Speaker 10: watch AW on a regular basis, So.
Speaker 1: Suck do you have an idea of what they're up to?
Speaker 1: What they're up to?
Speaker 10: I think basically he said exactly what he's wanting to do.
Speaker 10: He thinks that AW has become too much of a
Speaker 10: show boating kind of thing because you've got all the
Speaker 10: hot fires, and he wants it to go back to
Speaker 10: what it was when it first got started. He wants
Speaker 10: to go back to not so much show voting, straight
Speaker 10: up wrestling, and that's what I think he's after.
Speaker 6: He reminds me of what i've I watched the Undertakers
Speaker 6: podcast and it reminds me of of that sentiment of
Speaker 6: the young The young guys are lazy and they've gained
Speaker 6: too much and all that crop, and that's what it
Speaker 6: reminds me of, as they're just too soft. And I
Speaker 6: really think it is iron sharpens irons, as I always say,
Speaker 6: And he's trying to make them more tougher and make
Speaker 6: them realize that how soft they are, and we can
Speaker 6: elevate the game through working as they do other instead
Speaker 6: of you know, just being painsies and doing flip flops
Speaker 6: and stuff.
Speaker 4: I saw that clip from the Undertaker, and with all
Speaker 4: due respect to the guy who's at a glorious career,
Speaker 4: he sounds like the bitterest, crankiest old man who has
Speaker 4: not paid attention to modern wrestling in fifteen years. The
Speaker 4: audacity of that dude who walked as slow as lurch
Speaker 4: in the Ring. To say that the athletes performing today
Speaker 4: are soft is absurd. They're in better shape, they're healthier,
Speaker 4: they're smarter, they do athletic things that that man could
Speaker 4: only dream of. He can critique them because maybe the
Speaker 4: storytelling and the matt psychology is a little too high
Speaker 4: spot based. There's arguments for that, pro and con. Depends
Speaker 4: on your style. But when I hear stuff like that
Speaker 4: from the veterans, it just lets me know how toned
Speaker 4: down and bitter they are, that they've gotten old and
Speaker 4: they're not in the business anymore in the way they
Speaker 4: want to be. I just it made me grind my
Speaker 4: teeth because the wrestling today is so much better than
Speaker 4: when he had to speak in the nineties. It's not
Speaker 4: even close. Well, I mean that, you're sorry to go
Speaker 4: on a tangent there, No, you're that.
Speaker 8: That's a fantastic point.
Speaker 2: He cohabitated in a company that denies CTE and didn't
Speaker 2: and lied to the government about forcing their you know,
Speaker 2: talent to use steroids.
Speaker 13: You know, let's let's forgettuated an entire locker room culture.
Speaker 4: It's like a business changes. Yeah, like the business changes, dude,
Speaker 4: it's just different now. It doesn't mean it's bad, but
Speaker 4: like back to the k fave aspect of the softness,
Speaker 4: I think that's a legitimate thing. There's that's a storyline.
Speaker 4: There's too many cutesy stuff. We all joke on the
Speaker 4: chat that when the FTR is out there, not FTR,
Speaker 4: when the Outrunner is out there with MXM, Like if
Speaker 4: there was a tag match for the Death Riders to
Speaker 4: come in and kill guys like, that's who Max would hate, right,
Speaker 4: because that's the character now. They hate all the gimmick
Speaker 4: they don't like. They don't like gimmicks.
Speaker 10: Actually, actually I think the Outrunners would be more what
Speaker 10: Max is wanting than not hating on because they are
Speaker 10: a throwback to the old days.
Speaker 9: They don't they come out.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they do their their thing and they're gimmicky, but
Speaker 10: that's the point. They're showing what tag team wrestling used
Speaker 10: to be. You go back and watch the guys that
Speaker 10: wrestled back in the day, like the British Bulldogs and
Speaker 10: the Killer Bees.
Speaker 9: And even the uh you know, any group like that.
Speaker 1: The Art Foundations.
Speaker 9: Yea, it isn't that was the way it used to be.
Speaker 9: I grew up watching that stuff.
Speaker 10: I love tag team wrestling back then because you know
Speaker 10: you had you had specific tag teams, this did specific stuff,
Speaker 10: and they came out and did it every week. They're
Speaker 10: showing what it used to be. That's the whole point.
Speaker 10: They're mocking. They're mocking and and and showing tribute to
Speaker 10: the nineties of the Hogan Area era when you had
Speaker 10: the Great American Hero and all that different stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 10: they're not being that way to be gimmicky. They're trying
Speaker 10: to show what old tag team style is.
Speaker 4: Its gonna be great. Turns on them.
Speaker 1: Wheelers.
Speaker 11: They're gonna be heartbroken. I'll be able to survive it.
Speaker 1: In the end. The endplay for the Death Riders is
Speaker 1: to kill the Outrunners.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, speaking about going on Tangents, go ahead, No, No,
Speaker 2: I have nothing.
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 8: I could see it happening. That's all I've got for you.
Speaker 1: And I'm very happy about that too, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, because.
Speaker 3: Oh, trust me, Kelson, I remember what you said that
Speaker 3: the Outrunners.
Speaker 12: When the tag team kyles and they hold them for.
Speaker 3: More than two weeks, you're done with a w You're
Speaker 3: done with this server, You're done with everything.
Speaker 2: And I said, bro, you said the same thing about
Speaker 2: Eddie Kingston holding Golden six months ago, get out of me.
Speaker 9: I honestly think.
Speaker 1: Edie was very thought provoking. It was very sweet and sentimental.
Speaker 1: I admitted I was wrong.
Speaker 2: I wasn't here, but I'm glad I got to hear it.
Speaker 9: Oh that one.
Speaker 1: And then I told everybody after I read this statement,
Speaker 1: which I made an all seriousness and at the very
Speaker 1: end that I said it, you guys believed Eddie word
Speaker 1: that I just said. You are absolute censored.
Speaker 8: I'm going to go eat a slice of Humble pirately quick.
Speaker 1: There you go. No, but no, I Barry made a
Speaker 1: really good point. You know, the Outrunners are everything that
Speaker 1: the undert Undertaker probably loves the Outrunners. Seriously, he probably does.
Speaker 6: He's too much of a mark to be able to
Speaker 6: watch another show.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he's old.
Speaker 1: He probably doesn't even realize if it's a r W,
Speaker 1: W W E or g c W. For God's sakes,
Speaker 1: what do you wants?
Speaker 2: A W is kind of mirror mirroring NXT right now
Speaker 2: in terms of their programming, so I can imagine that
Speaker 2: the Takers will watch them.
Speaker 1: I know I want to switch I want to switch
Speaker 1: things up a little bit because we just saw last
Speaker 1: week uh. Chris Jericho, the Learning Tree. Chris Jericho took
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor World Championship off of Mark Brisco.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of speculation going out there that
Speaker 1: having the Oho non dueba uh win this title is
Speaker 1: uh something that a W and R O H is
Speaker 1: doing to maybe get R O H a TV deal.
Speaker 1: I don't see it, but did any of you guys
Speaker 1: see it? And if you do, I mean where would
Speaker 1: r oh go on TV? And do you think it's
Speaker 1: a good idea? Yeah, it's a good idea, but there's
Speaker 1: a true TV, true TV, True TV.
Speaker 6: I think that's what Shockway should should be mixed in
Speaker 6: with a mixing with make it kind of an NXT deal.
Speaker 6: H Jericho is known look worldwide. He was part of
Speaker 6: the reason why AW had success. I think he can
Speaker 6: go over there and do something, keep it for a
Speaker 6: little bit and then Big Bill take it or something
Speaker 6: like that. Who's over it makes business sense. It's why
Speaker 6: he did it last time, I think. And and once
Speaker 6: again this does get it off the plate of.
Speaker 5: Brisco.
Speaker 6: So he could be part of this collaboration in this
Speaker 6: war so SO had a double feature. But I could
Speaker 6: see them trying to get on TV at least try
Speaker 6: adding a herd anything.
Speaker 1: How much.
Speaker 8: Go ahead?
Speaker 4: How much appetite is there for Ring of Honor on TV?
Speaker 1: That's the one.
Speaker 4: Like I saw people say that with CJ then putting
Speaker 4: the strap on them. But like I just.
Speaker 8: More, much more?
Speaker 4: How much more room is there? You've got TNA, you've
Speaker 4: got NXT, you've got SmackDown, you've got raw, you've got Dynamite,
Speaker 4: you've got Collision. I'm ignoring rampage because we all know
Speaker 4: that goes away at the end of the year. Like,
Speaker 4: is there room for an hour Ring of Honor show?
Speaker 12: And Jock Wave comes in?
Speaker 3: Then no, Shane, do you remember when we were at
Speaker 3: Collision here in Cleveland and like nobody really was caring
Speaker 3: about the Ring of Honor matches that were going on
Speaker 3: before collision or really after, Like it seemed like once
Speaker 3: Collision ended, most of the crowd lack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna make two comments and then you guys
Speaker 2: could rehijack this podcast. For me, the worst thing that's
Speaker 2: ever happened to Ring of Honor is Tony kah purchasing
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor. I am sorry for saying it, but
Speaker 2: his influence over the product has cheapened the product.
Speaker 8: It's a caricature of itself, the product. Yeah, listen, he's
Speaker 8: using it as a developmental landscape for AW as opposed
Speaker 8: to separating it from AW completely and having its be
Speaker 8: It's not being built the same way a.
Speaker 9: W is glue.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, like Ring.
Speaker 2: Of Honor was a standalone product for two decades. It
Speaker 2: had it grew some of the best talent we have
Speaker 2: in every major wrestling promotion that's out today. Like, I
Speaker 2: think the best thing for it would to be segregated
Speaker 2: from ae W to book some more younger talent and
Speaker 2: build build your.
Speaker 8: Subsidiary company on that foundation. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think Ring of Honor is working at all
Speaker 2: right now, which is sad because there's a lot going
Speaker 2: on over there that's really good wrestling to watch. But
Speaker 2: I feel like Rollin said, they had Ring of Honor
Speaker 2: before Collision and after collision, and after Collision was over,
Speaker 2: you know, everyone left, no one out, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Night.
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, if you're gonna have fifteen, if you're gonna
Speaker 10: have like two hours of of dynamite and then you're
Speaker 10: gonna do an hour of rampage or two hours of
Speaker 10: collision and then another hour. I mean, that's five hours
Speaker 10: of wrestling, and that's not gonna especially in the middle
Speaker 10: of a week. Now pay per views you can get
Speaker 10: away with it because it's the weekend, but during the
Speaker 10: week you can't. Like Wednesday night, if you don't start
Speaker 10: until eight o'clock, you're looking at one two o'clock in
Speaker 10: the morning.
Speaker 12: I agree.
Speaker 10: I think the biggest problem with Tony Kahn owning ro
Speaker 10: H is that instead of keeping it separate like he
Speaker 10: should have, he allowed I mean, he's kept the women's
Speaker 10: portion separate. I mean that's a great thing because you've
Speaker 10: got the champion has never been on AWTV. She's not
Speaker 10: planning on being a w TV as long as she's
Speaker 10: the rh champion, and he should have did that with
Speaker 10: the men's titles. There's absolutely no reason that aw title,
Speaker 10: that the ROH title should or r OH wrestlers should
Speaker 10: be on aw TV.
Speaker 9: You have too many good wrestlers, most of them are young.
Speaker 9: Some of them should do some time in RH to
Speaker 9: help them get better. But the way it stands right now,
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 10: It could be the reason why he put the title
Speaker 10: one Chris Jericho. It could be because, like everybody said before,
Speaker 10: you know, Jericho is Jericho.
Speaker 9: He's one of the only people that is known by everybody,
Speaker 9: so you know it's hard to tell.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Barry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So two things. I think it's important for people
Speaker 4: to remember that had Tony Kahan not bought a Ring
Speaker 4: of Honor, there would be no Ring of Honor right now.
Speaker 4: There was no Ring of Honor. It needed an owner.
Speaker 4: It was defunct for lack of a better term.
Speaker 5: So I understand him at that point.
Speaker 4: Regardless, I don't well any rate, it wouldn't be around
Speaker 4: or it wouldn't be around in the way it is now.
Speaker 4: So I get why he bought it. What he did
Speaker 4: with it, I think is completely up for debate. Sean,
Speaker 4: did you see the Maple Leaf Pro Show last week
Speaker 4: by any chance or any clips from it?
Speaker 1: Dang?
Speaker 9: But yeah, the.
Speaker 8: Ta Castro match.
Speaker 4: Any footage?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I brought this up on last week's pod too.
Speaker 4: When I was watching that, I just kept thinking, this
Speaker 4: is what Ring of Honor should be. It should be
Speaker 4: a studio show. Fifteen you know, the eight hundred to
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred people, however many they get in there, it's
Speaker 4: probably less than fifteen hundred. Should be a studio show.
Speaker 4: They should just tape it into studio and like you said,
Speaker 4: all on its own and to start, I just have
Speaker 4: it on YouTube every week. Stop trying to cram it
Speaker 4: into like Honor Club. That's one of the problems. I'm
Speaker 4: not paying for Honor Club. I pay for too much stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm not paying for Honor Club to get third tier
Speaker 4: matches from aw that I can watch. Probably these same
Speaker 4: two performers at an indie show already on clips or
Speaker 4: just pay for the show. I'm the triller or something.
Speaker 4: So they need something away from Honor Club. They need
Speaker 4: a consistent product that's taped in an environment where you
Speaker 4: don't have people leaving and you've got people there to
Speaker 4: watch the show, not to hang out afterwards. And I
Speaker 4: think that's one of the problems.
Speaker 1: Well, Barry, let me break in here, because the rig
Speaker 1: of Watter what was the last pay per view death
Speaker 1: before Dishonor. They held that at the Esports Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
Speaker 1: That was one of the best chaper views I could
Speaker 1: ever remember saying. I enjoyed that from beginning to end.
Speaker 1: A w Well, Tony Kahn has Daily's place sitting right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Run it, run it, do tapings every Saturday afternoon and
Speaker 1: you can even put it live on YouTube on Saturday
Speaker 1: afternoons or whatever you want to do. It doesn't but
Speaker 1: you know whatever, afternoon, Saturday, Sunday, whatever, and then put
Speaker 1: it on YouTube and or True TV.
Speaker 4: Make Honor Club free. Just make it easy for people
Speaker 4: to see it.
Speaker 1: Verry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, what is one of the biggest complaints, Like, like,
Speaker 2: name top five complaints from eight W fandom?
Speaker 8: Where the hell did Dark Elevation go?
Speaker 2: Everybody that had the Google that was that was the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that, but like if you knew that that was,
Speaker 2: you know, from a fountain, like he built a lot
Speaker 2: of a e w out of that program. Like I
Speaker 2: think putting out I put think putting Ring of Honor
Speaker 2: on YouTube for free is and and the end their
Speaker 2: entire back love log is a wonderful idea. So and
Speaker 2: then the second thing is like look at Ring of
Speaker 2: Honor ten years ago and Ring of Honor now, Like
Speaker 2: do you think that a single person on the eighth
Speaker 2: on the Ring of Honor roster has you know, the
Speaker 2: capacity to become some someone from their previous roster ten
Speaker 2: years ago that blew up the same way. I mean,
Speaker 2: like the it's it's it's purgatory. It's it's purgatory for
Speaker 2: eight w talent. It's it, and it's it's almost unfair
Speaker 2: because yeah.
Speaker 5: But they have the talent. Oh, they have the talent.
Speaker 6: They had Ricky Stark sitting right there, and yet Tony
Speaker 6: wants to just keep him off totally. And he could
Speaker 6: be on there, Sam, he could stay on there for once.
Speaker 6: They had big enough stars, so hold it within there,
Speaker 6: and yet Tony I don't know why Tony.
Speaker 5: Does this, but they have the talent.
Speaker 6: And if they put it on there in an hour
Speaker 6: format and like a whole weekly at an East Bulger
Speaker 6: you know, or wherever you want to, or or Daily's place,
Speaker 6: I don't care what you put it on, but you
Speaker 6: put it on for free or semi free, people will
Speaker 6: watch or watch it.
Speaker 5: Because I used to go.
Speaker 6: With Dark and hear about a good match, and I
Speaker 6: will go back and watch it. I wouldn't watch it correctly.
Speaker 4: If you're trying to pitch a show to executives, how
Speaker 4: do you pictur ring of honor? Hey, we have this
Speaker 4: product that gets two thousand people a week. We can't
Speaker 4: name anybody on the roster. We don't have anything to
Speaker 4: connect it to other than it's related to a w
Speaker 4: How do you pitch that to a TV exec. It's
Speaker 4: not like TNA or NXT trying to get better deals.
Speaker 4: Like it is a non entity that you're pitching.
Speaker 1: But I just agree with it.
Speaker 6: N Yeah, it's always been bad ratings. It's never gotten
Speaker 6: over a million.
Speaker 3: I do, Barry I think, and Barry I think that's
Speaker 3: probably the reason why, like TNA has kind of tag
Speaker 3: teamed with next t if you will, and you see
Speaker 3: like TNA wrestlers coming into NXT and there are NXT
Speaker 3: wrestlers jumping over to TNA. It's kind of that crossover,
Speaker 3: the fact that you're talking about. But Kelson, I want
Speaker 3: to respond to something you also said. I don't think
Speaker 3: you could run Ring of Honor on a Saturday afternoon
Speaker 3: or a Sunday afternoon, because guess what, that's when college
Speaker 3: football is happening, and that's when the NFL is happening.
Speaker 4: The tape show you just take.
Speaker 1: You're always gonna have something going against something. Yep.
Speaker 5: Yes, but you can take it and people watch it
Speaker 5: back later.
Speaker 1: People will watch build you're going to have to build
Speaker 1: your If you put it on YouTube, people can watch
Speaker 1: it any time. I don't. I very rarely watch Dark
Speaker 1: or Dark Elevation at what what did it start? Seven
Speaker 1: o'clock PM, from seven to seven to eight. I very
Speaker 1: rarely watched them live. I always watched it a little
Speaker 1: bit later on in the evening, But I watched it
Speaker 1: because I enjoyed it, especially Darky should go forever, isn't it. Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Now, vary from time to time they'd have Sometimes it'll
Speaker 10: be an hour and a half, sometimes it'd be three
Speaker 10: and a half. It just depended on how many shows
Speaker 10: it matches they wanted. Again, the biggest part about Dark
Speaker 10: and Dark Elevation though, was it was what kept things
Speaker 10: going during the pandemic. Yeah, because they had they had
Speaker 10: so many people that they were trying to get into
Speaker 10: the regular show and they just couldn't do it, so,
Speaker 10: you know, and that was before they had rampage or collision.
Speaker 10: So you had two hours a week and you had
Speaker 10: to fit as many people into your work and keep
Speaker 10: them going. And that's how Tony kept them going. It
Speaker 10: was unfortunate when they got rid of them. I hope
Speaker 10: that they I hope that's kind of what the new
Speaker 10: show is going to be something like that, or they
Speaker 10: bring that back because they definitely have people that could
Speaker 10: use it. You know, you got people that need development,
Speaker 10: and that was how they were getting people developed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I want to loop back around to
Speaker 2: like the whole point of this. I don't believe that
Speaker 2: pulling Chris Jericho over to Ring of Honor is going
Speaker 2: to be effective.
Speaker 8: I don't think it's going to do anything to put more.
Speaker 2: Rise on the product, you know, especially when you had
Speaker 2: Mark Brisco the Ring of Honor Champion on a w
Speaker 2: programming every single Wednesday and Saturday for five months.
Speaker 10: I mean, like putting move in here solo, don't let
Speaker 10: him be on AW anymore, and it might make a difference, But.
Speaker 9: As long as he's on AW doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 10: It makes absolutely no sense to keep that. That's why
Speaker 10: I said, keep it separate. If you separate it, even
Speaker 10: if you only separate it for six months, give ro
Speaker 10: o H a chance to develop itself on its own,
Speaker 10: stand on his own two feet.
Speaker 13: If I can interject, I think I think.
Speaker 1: Doing a clean cut of r OH off of AW
Speaker 1: TV would eventually or ultimately be bad for r Oh,
Speaker 1: you've got to weed it away a little bit, and
Speaker 1: that I believe that's what they've been doing. Over the
Speaker 1: last six months. You've not really seen as much r
Speaker 1: OH on AWTV, although we have in the last pay
Speaker 1: per view in the last couple of weeks of TV,
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, there has been far less r OH
Speaker 1: on AWTV than there was at this time last year.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm just glad we don't have as many rh
Speaker 4: belts on TV. It's just there was a time when
Speaker 4: there was like eighty six belts on TV every week
Speaker 4: and its triting me crazy.
Speaker 9: Everything Not a belt fan?
Speaker 6: Huh that keep your pants up somehow?
Speaker 9: There you go.
Speaker 1: I mean it's all about the pants. Well, look have
Speaker 1: some fun. Uh. That came up with an idea saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's put any a W star in the role of
Speaker 1: a famous horror movie. H I'm gonna name an a
Speaker 1: W star and you tell me what role in a
Speaker 1: horror movie that they belong into. Whoever answers first, then
Speaker 1: they can come up with their own and we'll just
Speaker 1: keep it going. I'm gonna start with Eddie Kingston, which
Speaker 1: horror movie should he be in? He could be in
Speaker 1: Fried green Tomatoes, and it would.
Speaker 7: Be he's the guy.
Speaker 4: So do I do I name the performer?
Speaker 1: You named the performer, or you can say I think
Speaker 1: that's so much would be great in this role. You
Speaker 1: can on the.
Speaker 4: Performer, you know, like, what do you Adam Cole? If
Speaker 4: there's a guy I think they could go into acting.
Speaker 4: I think Adam Cole is the guy. So, so who
Speaker 4: would you go with for Adam Cole?
Speaker 1: I would say thinner.
Speaker 12: I was almost the saylash for Adam Cole.
Speaker 9: Invisible Man I would take.
Speaker 2: I would injury man first, the first version to die
Speaker 2: in the screen movies.
Speaker 5: Let's your your runner, Let's looks back?
Speaker 8: Uh, I got one. I'll throw this out.
Speaker 2: Why it's gonna be easier, but it might be a
Speaker 2: little more conversational.
Speaker 8: Sir Strickland, Oh, he's done a couple of movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bad guy.
Speaker 9: He's the candy man.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, there's there's I don't see him for anybody
Speaker 10: else but the candy man. That would be he, oh
Speaker 10: my god, was as evil as he can be in
Speaker 10: the ring and as much as he does with the
Speaker 10: crazy crap, he would definitely make a great candy man.
Speaker 1: I'd like to.
Speaker 12: What about from Nightmare on Elm Street, Bacon.
Speaker 7: You know murder Grandpa.
Speaker 1: Oh god, let's let's try.
Speaker 4: And he just goes, my bad.
Speaker 9: You gotta do you gotta do the murder Hawk.
Speaker 10: You gotta do the murder Hawk for Jason and either
Speaker 10: Jason or uh from Halloween Face dude, no, no, no,
Speaker 10: leather Face to the t.
Speaker 9: I just see. I don't know.
Speaker 10: He's just so big, and so I think he would
Speaker 10: make a great Jason or a great Michael Myers.
Speaker 1: I mean he could, But what I what if I
Speaker 1: think of a horror movie and I think of Lance Archer,
Speaker 1: it's leather Face, am I right? Yeah?
Speaker 9: What was the cane played? Yes, you know we can
Speaker 9: do that one too.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Rollins. What what Rustler would you
Speaker 1: like to see in a horror movie?
Speaker 3: Actually, I'm gonna flip it. Who would Who do you
Speaker 3: think would be good for slash.
Speaker 8: Slash like from Guns N' Roses? What's that?
Speaker 1: Wasn't Slash like the Charity of Scream? I don't remember Slash.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else, but we'll go with
Speaker 3: the guy from Scream.
Speaker 8: Oh that's ghost Face.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Slash, that's still.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's all that that was screen perfect.
Speaker 9: I don't care enough. He don't care enough. His hands
Speaker 9: in his pockets too much. You can't kill anybody, That's
Speaker 9: what nobody would expect them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he can go when he has to run, but
Speaker 5: he can just slowly walk. That's why he's perfect for
Speaker 5: if he just slowly walk.
Speaker 4: I know this is a this is a rat hole
Speaker 4: off o see. But they've done some significant character development
Speaker 4: with him the last couple of weeks, especially a collision
Speaker 4: or uh yeah that that end of Dynamite and they
Speaker 4: started Collision with the recapping that. What do you think
Speaker 4: he's doing this week?
Speaker 9: Oh, he guess.
Speaker 4: Are we going to see what if oc actually tries?
Speaker 8: We got that with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but every week, good point, we're going to see
Speaker 2: and put his hands in his pockets.
Speaker 1: Let you visit that in our pot poe section. So okay,
Speaker 1: let's go with you. Let's see what what.
Speaker 5: Is your I'm gonna go with Julia ar as Carrie.
Speaker 4: As car That may win.
Speaker 6: Ju Yeah, I like Carrie because of blood boring down
Speaker 6: on her picks, blood and all that.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. Well for you here, let's hear from you.
Speaker 13: Sure, how about John Moxley as ash from Evil Dead.
Speaker 7: Mhm hum hm hm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Can he do the one though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, Kenny do the one liners?
Speaker 1: You know? Does he does? He have the the twist, sick,
Speaker 1: twisted humor in him.
Speaker 6: He's always so serious. I've always heard he's not super funny.
Speaker 6: He's just very well.
Speaker 1: The first thing that comes in the mind when I
Speaker 1: see John Moxley on TV is oh, I prepared to laugh.
Speaker 4: He's a very jovial individual. He carries a lot of warmth.
Speaker 5: I've heard he's not very joking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they ever do a remake of Forrest, gup,
Speaker 1: John Moxley's your guy. That's what What do you have
Speaker 1: for us here?
Speaker 11: I was trying to think, But because of that brown noise,
Speaker 11: I would have to say Don Callous in the Friday
Speaker 11: the Thirteenth movies as Jason worehees. Because of that creepy
Speaker 11: music in those in those movies that kill kill kill,
Speaker 11: ha ha, quiet subtle music, I would say Don Kallus
Speaker 11: as Jason woarhees.
Speaker 5: Definitely, but then he could talk. That's perfect.
Speaker 4: Great part alas.
Speaker 9: I Got one for you, you Rush as the Leprechaun.
Speaker 1: Mine because I was gonna go with ReHO as Meghan.
Speaker 9: Ah, that's a good one.
Speaker 12: I haven't.
Speaker 8: I can't.
Speaker 2: I gotta go into the grab bag for a dude
Speaker 2: that isn't an a W anymore.
Speaker 8: Marty Skirl is the Predator.
Speaker 1: Well that can actually be swear stricklyd too. Yeah, think
Speaker 1: about it that he would be good at that.
Speaker 7: Do you remember the movie.
Speaker 1: I was taking?
Speaker 3: Do you remember the movie the mask went like the
Speaker 3: person would put on the mask and they go, it's
Speaker 3: show time. Yeah, yeah, who would be k W wrestler
Speaker 3: would be good for that role, something to do.
Speaker 2: Other than wine and fantasize and being on the w W.
Speaker 3: I what you have to take a straight shot at me?
Speaker 12: Thanks Boddy.
Speaker 8: I can't wait to see it. I mean that.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, what is it?
Speaker 9: So many y'all are in Ohio.
Speaker 2: That's just Ohio Cleveland Happenstance, that's legitimately Happenstances.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just two hours south of there, just so
Speaker 9: you know. Oh, so what's Ohio? Naive?
Speaker 10: I'm forty five minutes from downtown Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8: Yeah you're Pennsylvanian.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, I'm from Ohio.
Speaker 10: I'm just forty five. I'm closer to Pittsburgh than I
Speaker 10: am Cleveland. But that's just weird. There's so many people
Speaker 10: in this group that are from Ohio.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, let's wrap this up by going to our pop
Speaker 1: pre section segment and this is where everybody will get
Speaker 1: a chance to bring up whatever kind of discussion topic
Speaker 1: they want to bring up, and we will start with Barry.
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to swear Strickland versus Shelton Benjamin tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Much like Sean Ross sapt Benjamin was one of my
Speaker 4: favorite performers from the two thousands. When he came in
Speaker 4: as Team Angle, I thought this guy was going to
Speaker 4: be a mega superstar. Due to happenstance and scenarios, it
Speaker 4: never really went the way I thought it was going to,
Speaker 4: and I'm I was super excited to see signed with AW.
Speaker 4: I'm glad he's in a program with with Swerve. I
Speaker 4: don't know if this means that we're going to see
Speaker 4: Lashley tomorrow night or not, but I think those two
Speaker 4: in the ring together, it's gonna be magic tomorrow night,
Speaker 4: and I'm really really excited for that.
Speaker 2: Barry.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because looking at these matches
Speaker 1: on this card. One of the neat things about this card,
Speaker 1: even though there's not a lot of matches on it,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, there's four. None of them are obvious, No,
Speaker 1: none of them are often How do you see the Shelton,
Speaker 1: Benjamin and Swarzt Strickland match play out?
Speaker 4: I don't think we get a clean finish on that one,
Speaker 4: and I know aw kind of prides itself, but that's
Speaker 4: one where well, I don't know. I wouldn't be shocked
Speaker 4: if there's not a clean finish. I also would not
Speaker 4: be shocked if Swerve does a job either, depending on
Speaker 4: how they want they want to elevate uh Sheltman do
Speaker 4: the for his push for the Hurt syndicate or whatever
Speaker 4: they go with. But I love I love this show's
Speaker 4: cards so far because I don't know who's going to
Speaker 4: go over in most of the matches. We don't we're all,
Speaker 4: you know, we don't know how the tag is.
Speaker 1: Going to go. I don't know how may debut.
Speaker 4: Could could be. And if he does, then it's easy
Speaker 4: to see Shelling going over. You know where he where
Speaker 4: he kills us Serve on the outside or something. But
Speaker 4: like cold Buddy Matthews, I'm assuming Coal goes over, but
Speaker 4: I'm more concerned that he doesn't get hurt again.
Speaker 1: Right because somebody can let's say on the one match, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have another match. One of the complaints or one
Speaker 1: of the concerns is saying that Bobby Lashley, if when
Speaker 1: he debuts, should debut out a pay per view. My
Speaker 1: thought process is why not do it on a TV
Speaker 1: show because that makes it to where people here, even
Speaker 1: if they didn't watch it, they'll hear about it all.
Speaker 1: Lastly came at Dynamite. We got to start watching Dynamite
Speaker 1: because anything can happen. Now would you agree with that state?
Speaker 4: Now anything can happen has really been hurt in the
Speaker 4: advertising and the booking. I understand how exciting it was
Speaker 4: when AW was in its heyday and it was like
Speaker 4: peak WCW nitro. We had debuts every couple of weeks
Speaker 4: and it was crazy. You never knew what was going
Speaker 4: to happen. It's a mature product. Now the roster is mature.
Speaker 4: There's not a lot of moving back and forth. And
Speaker 4: I am much more interested in consistent booking where we
Speaker 4: know the direction of the shows than tune in each
Speaker 4: week we don't know what's going to happen. There is
Speaker 4: that excitement of uncertainty for sure, Kelson and I think
Speaker 4: there's value in that too, But I don't want to
Speaker 4: go to the well too often, and I felt like
Speaker 4: that's been part of the problem for them for the
Speaker 4: last eighteen months. They've gone to the will of uncertainty
Speaker 4: too often and it does not paid off for him.
Speaker 1: Well, Shane, I'm going to go to you, what is
Speaker 1: your potpourri for this evening?
Speaker 8: With a piggyback off of Barry that was very well said.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, and I know that I've said these on these
Speaker 2: podcasts before, but sometimes it feels when Tony Kahn is booking,
Speaker 2: it's like he's an eight year old with a bag
Speaker 2: of Pro Wrestling Action figures and and most of them
Speaker 2: are WWE once like I can't with myself today, But uh,
Speaker 2: the car tomorrow is absolutely stacked. It feels like a
Speaker 2: pay per view. It looks like a pay per view.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm excited to be sitting as close as I am.
Speaker 2: I really don't have anything too out of the box.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what matches they're going to slide in.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see how Max and the you know,
Speaker 2: death Riders are going to be involved with you know,
Speaker 2: any echelon of this show, on.
Speaker 8: How that plays out.
Speaker 2: You know, mox is an Ohio guy too, so you
Speaker 2: know they've they've consistently kept him on Ohio shows because
Speaker 2: so we know something is going to happen.
Speaker 8: I'm a little burnt out on OC.
Speaker 2: I do agree with the character development and how desperately
Speaker 2: he needed it, but put a put a significant belt
Speaker 2: on the guy or or leave him, leave him in his.
Speaker 8: Leave him in his lame you know. So that's that's
Speaker 8: what I got.
Speaker 1: Mkay, let's go to you. What is your poort pourri?
Speaker 5: I really don't have one, honestly.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, feel free to jump in on somebody else's
Speaker 1: and piggyback off of it. Let's go to Rawlins.
Speaker 3: So my pot pourri is gonna be a little bit
Speaker 3: more sentimental.
Speaker 1: Let me get a tissue hold on.
Speaker 3: And that's because the match I'm most interested in tomorrow
Speaker 3: is Chris Statlander against Camille. Chris Statlander has a bearded
Speaker 3: dragon named Boots and uh, for those of you who
Speaker 3: don't know, for about oh boy, like eleven or twelve years,
Speaker 3: I had a bearded dragon. Her name was Sandy, Yes,
Speaker 3: and over the last few months or so, she and
Speaker 3: I started watching aw together. Well, unfortunately Sandy has since
Speaker 3: passed away, which I'm still, you know, trying to get over.
Speaker 1: That. Mom.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I lost my my core in May, so
Speaker 4: I'm sorry for you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 9: That's tough.
Speaker 3: So it's it's a little bit heartwarming if you will
Speaker 3: to be seen Statlander knowing that she also has a
Speaker 3: bearded dragon, So I'm as good be especially rooting hard
Speaker 3: for Statlander in her match tomorrow against Camille. I'm planning
Speaker 3: on taking a bib of Furon's advice and making a
Speaker 3: poster that says, like, you know, something like stat and
Speaker 3: Boots are are greater than and Camille and the CEO.
Speaker 3: Or maybe I'll do like Sandy and Boots plus stat
Speaker 3: are better than Camillo and the CEO, something like that.
Speaker 1: I like your first first one better because anybody reading
Speaker 1: the signs won't know what who Sandy is.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Plus, if if stat Lander saw the signs, she would
Speaker 1: probably like it. Right, Rollins, maybe come over and give
Speaker 1: you a high five.
Speaker 11: That's true, That's true.
Speaker 2: I think it's yeah, Yeah, Stats headed straight for Mercedes. Hey, Rollins,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get on bach MANI again with my
Speaker 2: science nice I'd be three for three for Cleveland shows.
Speaker 7: I do want to comment on that though.
Speaker 3: Why are they having stat Lander go after the ad
Speaker 3: after the TBS champion and Chip again. She should be
Speaker 3: targeting Mariah May and going for the AEW Women's Championship.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I totally.
Speaker 5: That belt leans off the CEO bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah it does.
Speaker 10: But here's the thing, and this was gonna be my
Speaker 10: appropriate anyway Statlanders do. She has done so much for
Speaker 10: this company since she came back from and won the
Speaker 10: TBS title the first time she's given. She's been misused.
Speaker 10: She's been losing the people she had no way in
Speaker 10: hell should be losing to. If this isn't a squasheds
Speaker 10: match to morrow night, it's gonna be ridiculous because I'm sorry,
Speaker 10: all right, I'm supposed to be this big jump. She's
Speaker 10: not good in the ring. She should get squashed tomorrow night.
Speaker 10: And Mercedes should do the same thing because neither one
Speaker 10: of them are in the same class as Statlanders.
Speaker 3: I mean, go back and watch Statlanders match against uh
Speaker 3: willo at all out in the street fight. The two
Speaker 3: of them put on an absolute begger.
Speaker 4: That was a death spot too, I mean, absurd.
Speaker 3: But like I think about I think about even the
Speaker 3: triple threat match at Full Gear. I think it was
Speaker 3: last year with her, Julia Hart and sky Blue. Like,
Speaker 3: I personally really liked that match. I thought all three
Speaker 3: of them did a solid job. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: why as in Statlander getting a bigger push? Like, personally
Speaker 3: I liked her as a heel. I get that they
Speaker 3: decided to change directions whatever, but I'm just like, give
Speaker 3: her a bigger push, Like she doesn't need to be
Speaker 3: feuding with Mercedes Monette. I'm sorry, but Mercedes hasnt work
Speaker 3: since coming to AW, so let's see her. Let's see
Speaker 3: Statlander feud with Tony Storm, for example, or like a
Speaker 3: thun your Rosa. I'd like to see a Deanna Perrazza
Speaker 3: versus Chris Statlan on your feed.
Speaker 7: You get my point.
Speaker 8: I think, uh, I think that a.
Speaker 2: I think that AW has the best women's wrestlers on Earth.
Speaker 2: I think that WWE's recent acquisition of Julia and Stephanie
Speaker 2: van Kor and how they're performing on that programming, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of highlights that idea.
Speaker 8: But I am also going to say that.
Speaker 2: I still believe to this day that the women are
Speaker 2: horribly booked, and I wish that they got more TV time,
Speaker 2: and I wish that he shuffled around things a little more. So,
Speaker 2: you know, the people like Diana Prazzo is one of
Speaker 2: the best women's wrestlers on earth. Why did we book
Speaker 2: or just a sideliner like three months after they put
Speaker 2: around programming it, you know, like it. I just I
Speaker 2: really like wish that they would do more to elevate
Speaker 2: that aspect of their programming.
Speaker 1: What let's go to net and get nets three.
Speaker 11: Uh, let's see. I'm looking forward to hearing what Hangman
Speaker 11: has to say. I'm always looking forward to hearing what
Speaker 11: Hangman has to say. So he's mad at everyone. Uh,
Speaker 11: he seems to be out there with no friends. I
Speaker 11: want to know what he's thinking and what he's talking about,
Speaker 11: what he's doing, and who he's going to beat up next.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that too.
Speaker 11: I want to know a lot about Hangman. So, yeah,
Speaker 11: that's an alcoholic. That's mine.
Speaker 7: We all know that shade.
Speaker 1: We know that that's an alcoholic. Yeah, I mean, to me,
Speaker 1: hang Man is top three bos beard a w right
Speaker 1: now easily, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's main character.
Speaker 1: Man. My potpourri is this, We've got hi wife. We
Speaker 1: have Fright Night Dynamite tomorrow night, one night before Halloween.
Speaker 1: It would be a travesty, a absolute travesty if if
Speaker 1: Julia Hart isn't part of the show. She's ready. She
Speaker 1: said that she's waiting for the call. The call should
Speaker 1: come because I do believe and I've said this before
Speaker 1: that back in before she got injured, the collision course
Speaker 1: was going to be between her and Mercedes Monette. Who
Speaker 1: was the first person that confronted Mercedes Monet on the
Speaker 1: very first night that she was in aw at Big Business,
Speaker 1: Julia Hart. She continued to confront Mercedes Monee until she
Speaker 1: got injured. In the that was put on the shelf.
Speaker 1: They need and they need to revisit this because Julia
Speaker 1: Hart is the former TBS champion. She never got a
Speaker 1: rematch clause match. This would be a great way to
Speaker 1: get her into the program. Let's face it, Julia Hart's
Speaker 1: draw every time that she was on me, the rating
Speaker 1: spiked were maintained, they didn't go down, So you use that.
Speaker 1: That's what you need to do. So my potpourri is
Speaker 1: Julia Hart on Fright night Dynamite. I would have her
Speaker 1: actually come out during the Chris Statlander and Camille match
Speaker 1: because you know, Mercedes Monett is going to be out there,
Speaker 1: Mercedes Monette is going to probably try to interfere. Why
Speaker 1: not have Julia Hart come out and beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of Mercedes Monet. Mercedes. She needs to get the
Speaker 1: upper hand on Mercedes to make it believable. She needs
Speaker 1: to come out and attack Mercedes Monette.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Probably after a match again, though I don't know who's
Speaker 1: gonna win this match between Statlander and Camille, because I
Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna win any of the matches Kelson.
Speaker 4: What if she comes out and well, Mercedes about to interfere,
Speaker 4: Julia returns, and then they fight back into the back.
Speaker 1: I hate, I hate I hate the fighting back. What
Speaker 1: I would really like to see is for her to
Speaker 1: attack Mercedes Monett get the upper hand.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then Camille come out and wallop Julia. Chris Statlander then
Speaker 1: comes out and handles Camille. Julia comes up, you know,
Speaker 1: from on the floor, probably near the ring post or whatever,
Speaker 1: comes up and goes out to Mercedes Monett again. But
Speaker 1: just as she's about to do a devastating move or
Speaker 1: whatever on Mercedes Monet. Camille comes in and Mercedes Monet
Speaker 1: had intend it on missing I mean, Julia Harden had
Speaker 1: intended on missing Mercedes Monet, but instead it hits Camille.
Speaker 1: Now you have this whole thing where Camille is a
Speaker 1: little bit off with Mercedes Monet, and it's not the
Speaker 1: brick house bodyguard that's going to protect Mercedes Monet at
Speaker 1: every turn. She's going to be a little bit off.
Speaker 1: Make a story up so that I'll post match post match, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but I don't yet. I don't know who's going to
Speaker 1: win this match, because I don't know who's going to
Speaker 1: win any of the matches.
Speaker 4: Well, if you do it right, you set up an
Speaker 4: easy women's tag match with the with uh Stat and
Speaker 4: Julia versus Mercedes and Camille next week too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd also like to know how close that
Speaker 1: sky Blue is the coming back.
Speaker 8: Not close.
Speaker 1: I would definitely say probably around May of next year
Speaker 1: at least for her. But you know, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: I really do feel like this could be an interesting Dynamite. Well,
Speaker 1: look that's gonna I mean, that's gonna be end of
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Speaker 1: Probably watching Rampage or child What what are they? What
Speaker 1: are they taking tomorrow? Is it? Is it? I know
Speaker 1: it's probably not strictly just okay, yeah, So so they're
Speaker 1: gonna be a little busy, probably a little bit of
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Speaker 1: the show. So they're gonna see a lot of wrestling
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, which is as it should be. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that'll there.
Speaker 3: You go, excuse me, but the Cavaliers are four and
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Speaker 1: Cavaliers. Is that a lacrosse team?
Speaker 12: I worked for them?
Speaker 1: Oh that's if you're ever uh and you want to
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Speaker 1: Hey,