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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the nonprofits. In our second segment this week,

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<v Speaker 1>we continue our examination of the US government's cancelation of

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<v Speaker 1>grants already earmarked to support projects of inclusion. Jonathan Raudebush

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<v Speaker 1>these stories are becoming too common, but is it? But

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<v Speaker 1>it is still very important that we break out the

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<v Speaker 1>magnifying glass and examine them. So what are the details here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dodgy Dodge strikes again in the new administration in

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<v Speaker 2>their efforts to erase anything not white or heteronormative in government,

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<v Speaker 2>with the excuse of creating a meritocracy where only your

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<v Speaker 2>personal accomplishment matters. Any minority is not allowed to be

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<v Speaker 2>shown as meriting anything. Is the result, so and primarily racist, transphobic,

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<v Speaker 2>and homophobic, denying minority and divergent people the credit and

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<v Speaker 2>for the accomplishments they deserve. So as a result, it

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<v Speaker 2>is an attempt to make an all non privileged citizens

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<v Speaker 2>invisible to the white, heteronormative Christian minority. So they canceled

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio grant to place historical markers. And these these

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<v Speaker 2>historical markers include famous LGBTQ sites. So this is a

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<v Speaker 2>little personal for me, but this is part of the

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<v Speaker 2>cancelation of twenty five million dollars in grants. The Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>History Connection received two hundred and forty nine and ten

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<v Speaker 2>federal Of the federal grants in twenty twenty two, one

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<v Speaker 2>marker for where Ohio's first and longest running lesbian bar

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<v Speaker 2>once stood it's since been demolished, was not paid from

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<v Speaker 2>this grant the historic There was a historic group that

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<v Speaker 2>paid for that, And this is another shameful attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>erase our history and our lives. They will ultimately fail.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still here and we're still alive, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>what we had as history. But until then, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>story is? Is from Central Ohio News by David Reese,

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<v Speaker 2>published April eighth, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thanks Jonathan. Yeah, so these cuts were made

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<v Speaker 1>in the name of, quote government efficiency. As a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the LGBTQ community yourself, as you mentioned earlier, I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine you take that quite personally, that you know, having

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<v Speaker 1>part of your history removed as government efficiency. So how

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel about having those contributions of this community

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<v Speaker 1>just being cast aside? What are your thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's something we've been suffering from since

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<v Speaker 2>I was since I was a child, and long before that,

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<v Speaker 2>society has never accepted LGBTQ plus people as people, as

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<v Speaker 2>human beings. They've always tried to demonize, tell us that

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<v Speaker 2>we're things that were not define us for ourselves. All

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<v Speaker 2>the nasty, ugly things you do to people when you

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<v Speaker 2>just want to make them go away, you think they're

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<v Speaker 2>icky or something like that, and your culture is what

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<v Speaker 2>does that? And when the culture started changing to accept us,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a large part of that culture who is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say no, no, no, you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is how my identity, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is me, you know, and we're saying, yeah, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>here too, We're a me too, you know. So you

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<v Speaker 2>get your act together, get over it, and move on

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<v Speaker 2>with your life, you know. So we're moving on with

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<v Speaker 2>ours regardless of what you do or say. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you stay in my way, I'll walk over you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going away. We're not going back in the closet.

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<v Speaker 2>So there, you know. So there that's my opinion anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing that. Eli.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you specific about the article. It

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<v Speaker 1>mentions that of the over eighteen hundred historical markers in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Only three of them lawed contributions of the LGBT community,

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<v Speaker 1>three out of eighteen hundred. I think we all know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to this question, but I'm going to ask

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway. Is this really a matter of government deficiency?

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<v Speaker 1>Quote unquote?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they're saying it's about budget consciousness, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a good reason to believe that that's not

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<v Speaker 3>the case. I think it's cultural warfare, just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for all of the reasons that you know Jonathan described,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's people. You always hear people say like one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most I don't know if it's most common,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's always this idea of like, I'm fine with

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<v Speaker 3>whatever people want to be as long as they don't

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<v Speaker 3>shove it down my throat. And then when you ask

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<v Speaker 3>for an example of like, okay, well what do you

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<v Speaker 3>mean when you say shoving it down your throat? It's

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<v Speaker 3>something like this. It's like, well, why do there have

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<v Speaker 3>to be monuments for gay and trans people? Why can't

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<v Speaker 3>they just be monuments for people? And it's this idea

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<v Speaker 3>that like in that identity, having uniqueness and having identity

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<v Speaker 3>and individuality is like just not something to be that

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<v Speaker 3>that's worth acknowledging when you when you what's I had,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a thought and I had it put in

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<v Speaker 3>a certain way that they they When you don't acknowledge

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<v Speaker 3>their existence, you participate in their erasure.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's an excellent point. Say that again, please.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when when when you don't acknowledge their existence in history,

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<v Speaker 3>their contributions, you're participating in their erasure. And what that

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<v Speaker 3>means is is that gay kids, and trans kids, and

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<v Speaker 3>and and all types of kids, all kinds of kids

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<v Speaker 3>from everywhere deserve to see that people just like them

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<v Speaker 3>have always existed, have always contributed, have always mattered and participated,

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<v Speaker 3>and that there's no one particular way that you have

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<v Speaker 3>to be. You're allowed to be an individual. You're allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to have an identity, and there's nothing wrong with whatever

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<v Speaker 3>that identity is. And the history is not the way

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<v Speaker 3>when you take out identity, the default view of history

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<v Speaker 3>is that it's just filled with a bunch of white

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<v Speaker 3>men fueled by guns and God power, God by God

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<v Speaker 3>and gunpowder. Right, and it's just not consistent with reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. I want to stick with you, Eli, So, building

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<v Speaker 1>on what you were just talking about, so these were

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<v Speaker 1>historical markers that were canceled, So they're really just tearing

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<v Speaker 1>pages out of the history book. Basically, why would the

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<v Speaker 1>inclusion of the of a marginalized segment of the population

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<v Speaker 1>be important in a historical context.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, and partly for for kind of how I

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<v Speaker 3>was describing, you know, kids deserve to see that, like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's there's all kinds of individually. But also

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<v Speaker 3>there was like a statement made by you know, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the individuals involved in this is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't fund identity politics, and it's that it's that

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<v Speaker 3>identity shouldn't be political. Like there's no one event in

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<v Speaker 3>I think human history. I might be justified in saying

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<v Speaker 3>that only involved exclusively one demographic of people and no

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<v Speaker 3>other people. And so like you think of like you

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<v Speaker 3>know wars, the Civil War, the Revolutionary War nine eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>like yeah, the co like the COVID pandemic, all these

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<v Speaker 3>things have always involved all types of different demographics of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And when it's just like kind of how I was

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<v Speaker 3>saying before, if you don't you don't you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't acknowledge their existence, you're just erasing their

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<v Speaker 3>existence and you don't have to be a part of

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<v Speaker 3>a demographic of people that Harry and Tubman you benefited

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<v Speaker 3>in order to acknowledge the benefit of her contributions and

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<v Speaker 3>the work and the effort that she put in. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So there's there's value in celebrating the just there are

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<v Speaker 3>things that make you know, people different from each other,

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<v Speaker 3>and those things are great and fine to celebrate and

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<v Speaker 3>not be ashamed of it, not hide from and not

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<v Speaker 3>you know, put away and a race from history and

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's I don't know, I can't put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's almost like before you were saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why not why do we need to celebrate specific categories

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<v Speaker 1>of people, Why don't we just celebrate people? Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing is they're eliminating those separate categories, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they're really they're actually saying that while at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time they're arguing to actually not just celebrate people. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked before about how three out of the eighteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>historical markers were related to LGBTQ people, and that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>way less than the percentage of the population that would

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<v Speaker 1>fall into that group.

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<v Speaker 2>We're part of history, right, So if you don't, we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not, if we don't have LGBTQ. If we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have black Hispanic Asian people designated in our history,

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<v Speaker 2>they are in there our history. You're just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>rewrite history. You're not concerned about history. And this budget

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<v Speaker 2>excuse is the one that conservatives have used for time

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<v Speaker 2>immemorial to pass discriminatory legislation, and that's what has happened

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<v Speaker 2>here as well. They're just and the thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>people who are doing it do not have the authority

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. Congress passed these these these dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>go to that place. It's Congress's job to control the

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<v Speaker 2>burs strings. The administration does not have the right or

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<v Speaker 2>the authority to change what Congress said. So it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it just drives me insane that they think they can

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<v Speaker 2>just go in and we're just going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>hatchet to the budget. No, you do that in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't do that. You don't get to do that

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<v Speaker 2>as an administrator.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, sorry, go ahead of your life you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not an oval office, you know, activity right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, exactly. So, Jonathan, something that you said at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of your last little bit there really stod

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<v Speaker 1>out to me. You said, we're part of history. And

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<v Speaker 1>I would go beyond that. I would say, we're also

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<v Speaker 1>all part of we. It's not it's not that you're

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<v Speaker 1>part of history or you're not part of history. We're

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<v Speaker 1>all part of us. And so if we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>our history, we're talking about our society, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>include we. I mean, it all depends on you know it.

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<v Speaker 1>It boils down to that, uh, well, that nasty word inclusiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we want to include all these people or do

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<v Speaker 1>we want to exclude them and make them into them? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And so if we can make them into them and

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<v Speaker 1>then keep our we small.

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<v Speaker 2>And for all our problems, and we will exactly take

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<v Speaker 2>credit for what we do wrong, exactly to be responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for the fact that we have just managed to rip

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<v Speaker 2>off the majority pority of people by blaming a minority

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<v Speaker 2>of the people for doing it right. And that's just

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening. It's a deflection, it's and it's really sad

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<v Speaker 2>that that we fall for that every single year at

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<v Speaker 2>budget time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Jonathan, I want to stick with you for

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<v Speaker 1>a second. I'm a cisgendered, heterosexual white man. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a member of the LGBTQ community. Yeah, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>none of us are perfect, right, Uh, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>many people that I care about, including people on this panel, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that are important to me and so that are that

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<v Speaker 1>are part of that community. And so what could I

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<v Speaker 1>do to help validate this existence, validate the contributions of

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<v Speaker 1>the others that are being cast aside by by things

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<v Speaker 1>like this. What kind of advice would you give to me? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what can I do to help.

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<v Speaker 2>Being a good ally? It means a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>One is first just recognizing the people in your life

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<v Speaker 2>that are of LGBTQ. The other is getting acquainted with

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<v Speaker 2>our history. That's something that even LGBTQ plus people should do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's not a pretty history, but it is a

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<v Speaker 2>history and it needs to be out there. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you see somebody or if somebody is telling an

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<v Speaker 2>off color joke or something like that, speak up. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all an ally can do. The rest of us have

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<v Speaker 2>to be there to show them that we're human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't do that for us. We have to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can say that's not cool, dude, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>not cool, you know. And and when they say, well

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<v Speaker 2>what do you? You can say it's none of your business.

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<v Speaker 1>What it is that what.

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing is you're putting people down that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know, right, you know, or however you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, or whatever your idea is. ELI tends to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with some pretty good ways of phrasing things

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<v Speaker 2>like that that kind of get attention. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a poet, so I can't I use brute force a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the time. Like you know what, the language

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<v Speaker 2>I would use probably shouldn't be broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you are a sailor, right, You're a sailor, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right? All right? So yeah, so speaking of ELI,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to jump over to ELI real quick here.

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<v Speaker 1>So author Michael P. Watson Uh says that quote strong

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<v Speaker 1>people don't put others down, they lift them up. And

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<v Speaker 1>so how could how how could that reflect on this

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<v Speaker 1>situation here? What do you what do you what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of light do you think that that statements like that

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean it's firstly, I think I wholly agree

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<v Speaker 3>with that. I don't know if there's if I find

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<v Speaker 3>you take a look at what this, you know, these

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<v Speaker 3>budget the particular budget cut or you know, actions like

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<v Speaker 3>this are doing that are pretty clearly just targeting a

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<v Speaker 3>group of already marginalized people. How is that lifting anybody up?

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<v Speaker 3>What is and even it's not only not lifting up

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<v Speaker 3>that group, it's not really lifting up anybody, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>helping anyone at all. To not have these markers in place.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you could, I guess, make the argument, well,

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<v Speaker 3>now that money can go somewhere else, like you think

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<v Speaker 3>that's gonna do something good for.

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<v Speaker 1>You, But well, what about the other you know, seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety seven historical markers too, That money could

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<v Speaker 1>have gone to something else too. True, Yeah, and it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't I don't mean because of like the

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<v Speaker 3>small amount that these three you know, structures would have caused.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, like, I just I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of discussion around government spending going on,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm just not of the opinion that it is

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<v Speaker 3>going to become any more transparent than it ever has been.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think there's a strong case that may be

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<v Speaker 3>that those those funds that would have otherwise gone to

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<v Speaker 3>celebrating people that have done great things for others in

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<v Speaker 3>their community and their society. That's what that money would

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<v Speaker 3>have gone to. I would have celebrated those people, and

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<v Speaker 3>now it's going to go to you know, question, my question,

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<v Speaker 1>Right right? I have one last question I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask both of you. I'll ask Eli first because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to give Jonathan the last word here, but so

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<v Speaker 1>uh in this same question for both of you? Can

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<v Speaker 1>the harm that is being caused by this and other

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<v Speaker 1>similar recent events? Can this harm ever be healed?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I am not a part of the group

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<v Speaker 3>to whom the harm is being done, and for that reason,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I I don't know if it is my

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<v Speaker 3>if I could accurately make a judgment about that, because

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<v Speaker 3>I I think that's up to the ones that are

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<v Speaker 3>that are being harmed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough, fair enough, Jonathan, what are your thoughts then? Can't? Can't?

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<v Speaker 1>Can this? Can this real damage that's being done to

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<v Speaker 1>an important community in in our in our society? Can

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<v Speaker 1>this ever be healed? I mean, is this something that

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<v Speaker 1>a species and as a civilization and as a nation

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<v Speaker 1>to forever well to ever be shitting on other people?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess well.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that all all harm can be dealt

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<v Speaker 2>with and can be in the past. The repercussions of

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<v Speaker 2>it will resonate through at least several generations. Eventually it

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<v Speaker 2>will just be a footnote in a history book someplace.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, But the real harm and pain it causes now,

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<v Speaker 2>they're real people, and I just I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>situation anywhere in the world are real human beings. They

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<v Speaker 2>could be your sister, and oftentimes are. If you own

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<v Speaker 2>a uterus in this society, they're trying to put you

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<v Speaker 2>back in the kitchen, and that's all that they want

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<v Speaker 2>you to do, because you threaten men when you're better

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<v Speaker 2>at their job than they are. And that's the same

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<v Speaker 2>with all minorities. But the only thing you can do

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<v Speaker 2>is be who you are and be the best that

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<v Speaker 2>you can be, and do it publicly so that people

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<v Speaker 2>understand that you're human and you're a good human and

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing good things for them. As well, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that'll turn the tide eventually. I find that people

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<v Speaker 2>who were pretty bigoted that I got to know and

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<v Speaker 2>talk to on a daily basis, when they found out

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<v Speaker 2>I was queer, they all of a sudden changed their

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<v Speaker 2>mind on that. Well, they can't be that bad because

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<v Speaker 2>here's John, you know, and he lives a very quiet life,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he works hard, he does his stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's what we do as LGBTQ plus, as

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<v Speaker 2>other minorities do. But you know, the one last comment

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make about the whole thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>the opposition to us always uses the budget while they

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<v Speaker 2>are blowing the budget it up with financial giveaways to

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<v Speaker 2>their very wealthy friend. Right, we're targeting the wrong people.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to get a better society, target the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are making ripping you off essentially. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to stop there because I don't want to get too

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<v Speaker 2>involved in that, but just a.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought, sure, sure, So I just want to clarify. Did

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<v Speaker 1>I detect a hint of optimism in what you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right. Yeah, I'm old enough to where I

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<v Speaker 2>might not see it, but I have I have optimism

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<v Speaker 2>that people are people and they basically are good, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not They don't like being angry and mad, so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that eventually that will wear off and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>together and at least not be trying to beat each

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<v Speaker 2>other up every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hearing that from you, Jonathan, it does make you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know many of us have difficulty these days

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<v Speaker 1>finding room for optimism, and so I'm glad that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad to hear that you know that there is some

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<v Speaker 1>of that out there, So thank you for sharing. I

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<v Speaker 1>think both of you actually