Speaker 1: In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls
Speaker 1: and Teas, your passport to the golfing universe where every
Speaker 1: swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Speaker 1: Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive
Speaker 1: into the world of diveds, drives and delightful better the magician.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is the one and
Speaker 2: only podcast to be here, and this is Balls and
Speaker 2: t S. I am Tony Tone, the boy with a
Speaker 2: lot of players, a classic man, and as you know,
Speaker 2: there's no better place to be than to be here
Speaker 2: with me, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: I am so.
Speaker 2: Excited to be back on your airwaves and I hope
Speaker 2: that you are glued to your seat because the hardest
Speaker 2: podcast is back. There's a season two and we are
Speaker 2: starting off with a bank I won't be spoiling the
Speaker 2: beans because we've got a beautiful lady as against very
Speaker 2: very strategic, and she's going to be sharing her insights
Speaker 2: with us when it comes to golf as well as
Speaker 2: when it comes to the business sphere. So ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: if you don't know the drill, this is how we work.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go for a two minute break. Make
Speaker 2: sure that I get myself a very very cold jug
Speaker 2: of water so that I can refresh and cool myself down, because,
Speaker 2: as I said, this podcast is so hot, You're going
Speaker 2: to be sweating wherever you are. If you're in your car,
Speaker 2: you'll be sweating. If you're out in the golf course
Speaker 2: and you just happen to listen to me, you will
Speaker 2: be sweating. So I'm going to give you a few
Speaker 2: minutes to get yourself ice cold water and make sure
Speaker 2: that you are in a comfortable position because when we
Speaker 2: come back, I will be introducing our guests and we'll
Speaker 2: be getting into the cracks of the matter.
Speaker 3: So let's go. They're two minute break in the.
Speaker 1: World where fairways meet the airwaves, where Birdie's and Banker collide.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show that takes you beyond the clubhouse
Speaker 1: and onto the green. This is Balls and Teas, your
Speaker 1: passport to the golfing universe, where every swing tells the
Speaker 1: story and every part has its punchline. Get ready to
Speaker 1: step onto the large screens and dive into the world
Speaker 1: of diveds, drives and delightful better the magician.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, like I said, this is
Speaker 2: the one and only Tony Tone. You are tuned into
Speaker 2: Balls and Teas Podcast, the hardest golf podcast there is
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Speaker 2: before the break, I told you please make sure that
Speaker 2: you get yourself as cold water because it's about to
Speaker 2: get extremely hot in here. Like I said, I've got
Speaker 2: a beautiful guest, beautiful voice, beautiful golfing career and a
Speaker 2: beautiful professional career. So, ladies and gentlemen, allow me to
Speaker 2: introduce the one and only Tandega.
Speaker 3: Kise, how do you do?
Speaker 4: I'm well, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm all good? Thank you Listen.
Speaker 2: I tried to introduce you as best as I could,
Speaker 2: but I feel that I didn't do any justice. So
Speaker 2: before we actually get into any conversation, would you mind
Speaker 2: reintroducing yourself thoroughly. Let us know who you are, let
Speaker 2: us know what you do, let us know how you
Speaker 2: actually got into golf as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's an obvious question that I always get, is
Speaker 4: a woman playing golf? But anyway, Yeah, so, hi guys,
Speaker 4: thank you so much for having me in your platform.
Speaker 4: I'm turning them. Kids are from Durban, based in Johannesbeck
Speaker 4: currently a senior manager at Peter WC Consulting in real
Speaker 4: Services Practice. And what I do at Peter WC, I
Speaker 4: focus on technology risk governance and helping clients build trust
Speaker 4: in their digital transformation journeys. Beyond my role at Peter WC,
Speaker 4: I'm also building initiatives that actually connect business and communities,
Speaker 4: including you know, platforms for partnership and growth across Africa,
Speaker 4: not just locally. So I'm very passionate about creating sustainable
Speaker 4: collaborations that actually delivers real impact and I'm excited to
Speaker 4: actually share some of those and part of my initi
Speaker 4: natives outside of pw C is CSG, which is a
Speaker 4: social golfing platform that actually coordinate monthly socials within the
Speaker 4: golfers in our school. We also have provincial tournaments that
Speaker 4: we play annually against other school outside of outside of
Speaker 4: the province, and we are currently in the process of
Speaker 4: actually launching our Pan African tournaments. And we've got access
Speaker 4: to East, North, and West African markets obviously including our
Speaker 4: South Southern African market the Southern African countries. I'm excited
Speaker 4: about that. But what we're trying to achieve is actually
Speaker 4: use golf as a catalyst for change and impact. Basically,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, awesome. So just a quick one right before
Speaker 2: we get into serious business. How long have you been
Speaker 2: playing golf and how did you actually get involved start
Speaker 2: getting involved into the sport because many times people would say,
Speaker 2: now golf is boring, golf is too slow. So I
Speaker 2: just want to understand what entrigated you to get into
Speaker 2: the sport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's a very normal question. So so for me,
Speaker 4: like the nature of my work is consulting and it
Speaker 4: requires you to have a little bit of business development
Speaker 4: because obviously we save as clients, we need to build relationships,
Speaker 4: you know, generate leads, pipelines and eventually revenue. So I
Speaker 4: think as part of my business development strategies, I use
Speaker 4: golf to actually connect to my clients because most of
Speaker 4: my clients they play golf. I didn't know anything about
Speaker 4: golf up until one of the clients that I used
Speaker 4: to save is a few years go. They will invite
Speaker 4: me on their golf days and I will sit there
Speaker 4: and just watch. I'm like, actually, this looks interesting, you know,
Speaker 4: the way I is beautiful, the greens look nice. And
Speaker 4: then I started pursuing the game. But I didn't just
Speaker 4: started playing. I started, obviously by going to the World
Speaker 4: of Golf practicing, signing up using their you know, their
Speaker 4: clubs to actually just hit the balls and see how
Speaker 4: it feels. And I really really love the spots. So
Speaker 4: then I started pursuing the game. I think I only started, No,
Speaker 4: not that I think I started. My first game was
Speaker 4: in December twenty two, December twenty twenty three. That moment,
Speaker 4: I didn't even have a driver. I've only ever been
Speaker 4: into the range. It was very interesting, But since then
Speaker 4: I never looked back.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, you know, I like the back that catches
Speaker 2: people when it comes to golf, because people would say, nah,
Speaker 2: I mean this thing, I'm not feeling it. And then
Speaker 2: once you get one great shot, then it excites you.
Speaker 2: You look forward to more and you just continue carry on.
Speaker 2: And I like the fact that it also got you.
Speaker 2: You never look back, you never stop playing.
Speaker 3: So please carry on playing.
Speaker 2: And I hope you bring more of your friends and
Speaker 2: colleagues into the sport. You encourage them to get involved
Speaker 2: into the sport, because for me, it's more than just
Speaker 2: a sport.
Speaker 3: It's a lifestyle.
Speaker 2: There's certain values that one actually learns from the sport itself,
Speaker 2: and like you said, it's a good tool for business development,
Speaker 2: which I believe has been working well for you as well.
Speaker 4: You know, like you know, everybody has different ways of
Speaker 4: actually pursuing business because there's so many ways through it.
Speaker 4: I love sports. When I was at school, I played basketball,
Speaker 4: and then yeah, along the way, I stopped playing basketball
Speaker 4: because obviously work and time, it's not possible. And then
Speaker 4: I do gym. I go to gym. Obviously with Jimmy,
Speaker 4: get a bit bored and you need something that's going
Speaker 4: to get you excited or something to look forward to.
Speaker 4: So it's not just about business development, but it's also
Speaker 4: your own it's also my happy place, like where I
Speaker 4: get my pinings and all of that. And yeah, the
Speaker 4: thing is once you start, like I said, I couldn't
Speaker 4: look back because you know, with golf, you always you
Speaker 4: play and you always feel like, oh my god, I
Speaker 4: need to go back. I'm going to do better tomorrow,
Speaker 4: or I need to fix this or I need to
Speaker 4: fix that.
Speaker 2: One per I like your positive outlook on golf. So
Speaker 2: now let's talk about today's theme, right. Our theme is
Speaker 2: titled the Fairway Framework. So I just want to get
Speaker 2: your understanding of what or your own view, your own opinion,
Speaker 2: or what fairway framework means to you before we start
Speaker 2: breaking things down and talking more serious stuff.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, you know like fairway framework. For me, it's
Speaker 4: really what you do on the fairway. It's also applicable
Speaker 4: in your business or personal life. So the fairway framework
Speaker 4: actually helped me, helps me to outline or plan how
Speaker 4: I do things because on the fairway you plan for
Speaker 4: every short you have an objective. You need to be
Speaker 4: calculative in terms of what clubs you play, what you
Speaker 4: want to achieve. It's the same in business, so you
Speaker 4: have a framework that actually guides your decisions. You know,
Speaker 4: same as on the fairways on business.
Speaker 3: Awesome. Awesome, Yeah, I really like that.
Speaker 2: You know, the way you explained it, it made me
Speaker 2: understand it better as well. No, no, no, it definitely makes sense.
Speaker 2: So I mean, considering the theme, I just want to
Speaker 2: find out from yours, how do you equate the strategic
Speaker 2: planning before a business to business partnership to choosing the
Speaker 2: right club and aiming for the perfect tea shot? So,
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned that you are in consulting.
Speaker 3: So if we.
Speaker 2: Were to say, or we were to look at the
Speaker 2: critical consulting analysis that happens at the initial stages, if
Speaker 2: you were to take that and put it into the
Speaker 2: golf course, how would you then define it? All?
Speaker 4: Right? So I will say that, you know, how do
Speaker 4: I equate the strategic planning? It's simple, Like for instance,
Speaker 4: in consulting the T shirt, It's all about preparation, right,
Speaker 4: That's where the team of because you need to prepare yourself,
Speaker 4: take the right clab. You know you've got the tea
Speaker 4: and everything. You look at your distance, you prepare. So
Speaker 4: it's all about preparation, understanding the market landscape, partner of it,
Speaker 4: as well as long term objectives. Say, like I said,
Speaker 4: in the club. We use structured DOOS diligence to actually
Speaker 4: do our stakeholder alignments and scenerio analysis ensure that the
Speaker 4: first strat, the first strike will set us up for success.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, that's that's quite interesting.
Speaker 2: Now, now you'll you'll pardon me, but I love golf
Speaker 2: so much that every single question that I'll be asking
Speaker 2: you will be more or less related to golf, right,
Speaker 2: so I will just put in a touch of golf
Speaker 2: in whatever question, although it could be business related as well.
Speaker 2: So just a quick one here. So you know, in golf,
Speaker 2: as you play, you play the ball where it lies,
Speaker 2: unless it's obviously uh in a house hazards place where
Speaker 2: maybe it's concrete, or it's just right next to a three,
Speaker 2: and you might end up breaking your clubs now. So
Speaker 2: with that being instead, if you were to look at
Speaker 2: B to be partners B to be partnerships across diverse
Speaker 2: African markets, what are the inherent cost conditions or risks
Speaker 2: you must assess and how does your consulting savies help
Speaker 2: companies adapt that swing to those conditions? Because I mean,
Speaker 2: if we talk about markets, there's always volatility in different markets.
Speaker 2: So I just want to understand how you adapt the
Speaker 2: principles of golf into your role as a consultant.
Speaker 4: Ye, I know, that's very interesting question. So it feels
Speaker 4: like I'm playing golf and working at the same time.
Speaker 4: This is what you always do, you know, when you're
Speaker 4: playing with your potential tind you're like you throw those
Speaker 4: you throw those business conversations, but in a real life manner.
Speaker 4: So obviously with the cost conditions, it's the same, like
Speaker 4: you will assess your risk first, is it safe to
Speaker 4: play through this tree or do I need to just
Speaker 4: cheap into the fair way? Right, you are assessing your
Speaker 4: conditions to see what's the right thing to do. So
Speaker 4: in the African B to B matchmaking contexts, those conditions
Speaker 4: will include regulatory preductive unpredictability because there's all these changes.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So obviously in our saying, in the B
Speaker 4: to B matchmaking like you will assess the condition before
Speaker 4: you play your ball as it lies. Is it the
Speaker 4: safe shot to play or you want to just take
Speaker 4: a rists can go for it. With that being said,
Speaker 4: you will, you know, the conditions in this context will
Speaker 4: include your regulatory unpredictability because there's all these changes with
Speaker 4: regulations and then you will take into consideration the political shifts,
Speaker 4: the infrastructure gaps, and our role is to actually help
Speaker 4: our clients adjust their swings through governance frameworks, constituency planning
Speaker 4: and adaptable operating models.
Speaker 2: You know you're speaking very very big with there, but
Speaker 2: I get the gist of everything. The one thing I
Speaker 2: just want to ask you is so with regards to
Speaker 2: obviously be to be match making, I mean, you get
Speaker 2: people from different backgrounds or should I say entities from
Speaker 2: different with different backgrounds, with different belief systems, with different
Speaker 2: business approaches. So do you always try to make sure
Speaker 2: that two different businesses or two different individuals that you
Speaker 2: put together more or less within the same mindset or
Speaker 2: the same framework, or do you find yourself having to
Speaker 2: do a mix and match of different clientele bases to
Speaker 2: try to reach common ground.
Speaker 4: So in business, in any business, you always want to
Speaker 4: reach common ground because we may come from different backgrounds
Speaker 4: with different experiences, but what brings us together in a
Speaker 4: particular business transaction is actually the objective of what we're
Speaker 4: trying to achieve for that particular deal. Yeah, and with
Speaker 4: that thing, Yeah, I don't know, are you answered.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I believe your answer was very straightforward and very clear,
Speaker 2: because the bottom line is all that met us in
Speaker 2: business as long as the memorandum of operandi is in place.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 2: Now, let's just go for a two minute break, and
Speaker 2: then when we come back, we'll be getting or delving
Speaker 2: more into this serious conversation. Like I said, I just
Speaker 2: want you to visualize yourself being on the golf course,
Speaker 2: chatting to a potential client or chatting into a colleague.
Speaker 2: And then let's make this as fun as possible. It
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be all intricate and yeah, too serious.
Speaker 3: All right, awesome, awesome stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're quickly going for it too.
Speaker 2: In a break and down. When we come back, we
Speaker 2: will continue our conversation with tunder.
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Speaker 1: In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls
Speaker 1: and Ts, your passport to the golfing universe where every
Speaker 1: swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Speaker 1: Get ready to step onto the last screens and dive
Speaker 1: into the world of divets, drives and delightful better the magician.
Speaker 2: All Right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying tuned in.
Speaker 2: It is the one only Balls and Tea is the
Speaker 2: only relevant podcast to listen to in the entire world. Guys,
Speaker 2: we're talking golf, We're talking business, We're talking comaraderie. We're
Speaker 2: just having fun. And guess what, with all the fun
Speaker 2: that we're having, we're just saying, please, let's use golf
Speaker 2: to unwind, Let's use golf to network, let's use golf
Speaker 2: to expand our businesses. Today we are joined by the
Speaker 2: one and only Kyser and she is a golfer. She
Speaker 2: is in the consulting space from a business point of view.
Speaker 2: And then, yeah, we're just having a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: We're having a beautiful chat. Now I'm yet to ask
Speaker 2: her some of the West golf experiences as well as
Speaker 2: some of the best memories she's head on the golf course.
Speaker 2: So please stay tuned in as I engaged with Tanda.
Speaker 3: Are you still with me?
Speaker 4: I'm here awesome only when I hear about my good experiences,
Speaker 4: because I don't if you want to share with the
Speaker 4: bad ones.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you know.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about golf is that your West experiences
Speaker 2: actually shape up your best game.
Speaker 3: Take it from me.
Speaker 2: For example, the worst experience I've had on the golf course,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it was actually earlier this year at
Speaker 2: a golf day in Johannes bag So whilst I was
Speaker 2: playing there, someone hit the ball from behind me. From
Speaker 2: behind me and they screamed four. The first reaction that
Speaker 2: came to that came to mind was dropped down. Don't
Speaker 2: even look back, don't turn your head, just dropped So
Speaker 2: I went so quick then I squatted so quick that
Speaker 2: my my pants tore on the spot and it was
Speaker 2: very discomforting. So it was not a nice side And luckily,
Speaker 2: luckily what my mind told me to do, I did
Speaker 2: it on time because that ball was heading straight from
Speaker 2: my head, so it just passed as I as I
Speaker 2: went down. So afterwards, I think I think my game
Speaker 2: improved with torn pens. I had to buy new pants
Speaker 2: and that at the pro shop.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is insane. Yeah, we're being too tight,
Speaker 4: Like did they hit properly?
Speaker 2: No, they were, they were loose enough. It's just that
Speaker 2: I think. I think it's just how how quick I
Speaker 2: moved so I stretched them.
Speaker 4: Yeah you told the bullet because you know it's better
Speaker 4: than towns. Then, Yeah, being hit by that little bowl.
Speaker 3: And the thing is painful.
Speaker 2: It's hit me three times already, and yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 2: a nice experience. But anyway, I was just saying, please
Speaker 2: do not be embarrassed to share your West moments. In
Speaker 2: the golf course because everyone has them. I've seen a
Speaker 2: professional golfer missing a tear of shot, so it happens
Speaker 2: to the best of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, if I think about my worst moments, there's actually
Speaker 4: a lot of them. I think the highlight for me.
Speaker 4: You know, like with ladies outfits, you've got dresses, skirts,
Speaker 4: and then you have long pants. So yeah, so this
Speaker 4: particular day, I'm wearing my long pants because it's obviously cloudy,
Speaker 4: but for some reason, the zip would just not stay
Speaker 4: up right. And I'm fully dressed, but every time I
Speaker 4: check myself, the zip is open, and my peers will
Speaker 4: keep reminding me, start out your zip. And you know,
Speaker 4: one of the guys had to borrow with the belt
Speaker 4: because they could see and from sucking. I had to
Speaker 4: take out my lung thing that I was wearing, you know,
Speaker 4: like it was cold. It was a bit cold, so
Speaker 4: I cut my chasy wrapped this around my way. He
Speaker 4: said like, no, but it's cold. I'm like, yeah, but
Speaker 4: my zip is acting up. And someone just took off
Speaker 4: their belts and they're like, okay, such your self out
Speaker 4: and then I was able to focus to the game,
Speaker 4: focus from the game again. But it was tricky. It
Speaker 4: was it was affecting me mentally.
Speaker 2: No, definitely, and I'm really sorry for having such an experience.
Speaker 2: But I hope after you got that sorted out, you
Speaker 2: started playing your golf instead of a disteped game of golf.
Speaker 4: Exactly, My naturals wing came back because now I was
Speaker 4: not worried about my seap going off. Was the only
Speaker 4: lady on the football So can you imagine? Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 2: But but like I said, each one of us have
Speaker 2: a lot of embarrassing moments.
Speaker 3: I mean, we all play to go.
Speaker 2: Through all these experiences. That's that's the nice thing about golf.
Speaker 2: There's no one who can say that they've mastered it.
Speaker 2: So there's no one also who can say that they've
Speaker 2: prevented things from happening. I mean, certain pros, you find
Speaker 2: them so frustrated, they break their clubs, and at the
Speaker 2: time they are alive on TV, so we're watching them,
Speaker 2: We're like, okay, what's going on? So please do not
Speaker 2: feel embarrassed about that. It happens, and hopefully it will
Speaker 2: repeated itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I'm thinking to dresses, no long pens.
Speaker 3: Oh my, stick to them.
Speaker 2: Hopefully nothing, nothing else will happen in the gist of
Speaker 2: the moment. But now moving right along time, I just
Speaker 2: want to find out. I mean, as you know, in golf,
Speaker 2: there's there's water, hasards, there's the rough, there's bunkers, and
Speaker 2: those things they actually represent risk. I mean they are
Speaker 2: there to actually shake you, shake you off a bit
Speaker 2: as a golf I mean, if you fall into a
Speaker 2: fairway bunker, it becomes very complex and very stressful for
Speaker 2: you to actually try to approach the green from that
Speaker 2: shot if you're not fully confident, as well as if
Speaker 2: there is let's say water that you have to cross
Speaker 2: sometimes in the steps you mentally.
Speaker 3: Now, I want to find out.
Speaker 2: From you, if you were to look at the space
Speaker 2: that you oper waiting in from a professional level in
Speaker 2: terms of your consulting services, how how do you come
Speaker 2: across such risks if there are any within the business
Speaker 2: s fere and what measures do you actually take to mitigate.
Speaker 4: Such Yeah, that's a good question. So, yeah, in golf
Speaker 4: we always face those hazards. And in most cases, if
Speaker 4: somebody sees the banker and they know their banker game,
Speaker 4: it's not good already. You panic and you try avoid
Speaker 4: the banker and you shank and you are even in
Speaker 4: more more trouble, so exactly, or you try to avoid
Speaker 4: what you end up hitting the tree and then you
Speaker 4: go back and it just you know, adds more more
Speaker 4: to your problems. So in my business, well, to actually
Speaker 4: manage this, we focus on tier complaint complaints, checks around checks,
Speaker 4: you know, testing different scenarios, and ensuring that we put
Speaker 4: in place the mechanisms that can resolve conflicts quickly so
Speaker 4: that the partnership can stay on the cause. There's obviously
Speaker 4: a couple of risks that I'm you know, in place
Speaker 4: when it comes to B two B making matchmaking. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sometimes you can you can find that partners might not
Speaker 4: be pulling into the same direction, or the political shift
Speaker 4: or the shifts in the regulations. Like I said, there's
Speaker 4: all these changes. But for us, actually manage the risk,
Speaker 4: manage the hazards so that you don't find yourself in trouble. Upfront,
Speaker 4: You do your compliance checks, you do your all the
Speaker 4: controls in place, actually manage the risk and ensuring that
Speaker 4: the partnership stays on the cause.
Speaker 2: All right, So we're still on risk and risks and hazards.
Speaker 2: I just want to find out from you in terms
Speaker 2: of your golf. Have you ever found yourself in a
Speaker 2: situation where you approach a hole where the green is
Speaker 2: actually surrounded by water, and then suddenly the green starts
Speaker 2: looking like it's shrinking or it's becoming smaller.
Speaker 3: Then it starts intimidating you.
Speaker 2: Even in that situation, how do you then reposition your
Speaker 2: mind to say, listen, let me stick to the game
Speaker 2: that I've been playing, or do you then just panic
Speaker 2: and then carry on as if that will be your
Speaker 2: last shot of the day.
Speaker 3: I just want to find out from you.
Speaker 2: How how do you then come across many situations on
Speaker 2: the golf course.
Speaker 4: In every hole, I stick to my basic principles, no
Speaker 4: matter how intimidating the hole is. And my first principle
Speaker 4: I stand on the teabox, I align myself, I look
Speaker 4: at the flag, I read the distance. Once I understand
Speaker 4: the distance, I take the club. This is accurate for
Speaker 4: the stance. Now it depends that it might be windy
Speaker 4: and I'm playing into the wind, and I have to play,
Speaker 4: you know, a bit of a at maybe a club over.
Speaker 4: But then I just measure the distance, select the right club,
Speaker 4: and I hit the ball and in most cases, I'm lucky,
Speaker 4: and at times it doesn't work. And do you know
Speaker 4: what they say, the more you play, the luckier you get.
Speaker 4: So I really don't worry about Sometimes I even say
Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm in front of me. I
Speaker 4: would even say that actually know what I're in front
Speaker 4: of me. Yeah, and my game on those patteries have improved. Yeah,
Speaker 4: in the beginning I used to struggle. I will blow
Speaker 4: every parttery, but currently not, I don't blow them as much.
Speaker 3: I believe at the moment, you're getting your past, you're
Speaker 3: getting your babies.
Speaker 4: Well persant bookies. When I'm lucky, I get a baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah ouch, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: No, that's goodness.
Speaker 2: So so speaking of the more you practice or the
Speaker 2: more you play, the luckier you get, would you say
Speaker 2: that would be the same philosophy or concept when it comes.
Speaker 3: To b to be match making in your in your space.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think lucky existing business, eh, But the
Speaker 4: more you play in business, the more you have experience
Speaker 4: and your work speaks for itself. So it's like, the
Speaker 4: more you play, the more I know of you, and
Speaker 4: you expeak for itself. So we can always use the
Speaker 4: same terminology, but not the term lucky, because it's not
Speaker 4: about luck, it's about you know your capability, your competencies,
Speaker 4: your skills. You know your service offerings and how you
Speaker 4: deliver your reputation as well. So does a lot of
Speaker 4: things involved.
Speaker 2: Young Yeah, you know, you actually mentioned something very critical
Speaker 2: in the previous question where you said that, for instance,
Speaker 2: when you approach those island path reads, you would look
Speaker 2: at the distance and make sure that you select.
Speaker 3: The correct club.
Speaker 2: I often hear a lot of people saying that a
Speaker 2: great golfer would visualize the successful shot. Now, with that
Speaker 2: being set, when it comes to business to business relationships,
Speaker 2: how do you then help two different businesses to actually
Speaker 2: visualize the end goal or the relationship that you're trying
Speaker 2: to establish between the two of them.
Speaker 4: Okay, so well, in golf, if you look at golf
Speaker 4: having to visualize your shots, right, you have markers that
Speaker 4: tell you how far you are from the green right,
Speaker 4: and that guides you because you can't visualize something you
Speaker 4: don't understand. Before you visualize your shorts, you need to
Speaker 4: know how far you can you know you can hit
Speaker 4: the ball. So in business partnerships, you have KPIs which
Speaker 4: works the same way. They give very clear miserable rules
Speaker 4: stones so that both partners know how close they are
Speaker 4: to the shared goals, whether it's driven growth, market entry,
Speaker 4: impact out comes. So that just guides the process because
Speaker 4: when there's KPIs and then the goals are clear and
Speaker 4: the visual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that definitely makes sense. Now I just
Speaker 2: want to find out. I mean, you've played golf, like
Speaker 2: you said, you you play, you play golf, and you
Speaker 2: didn't want to disclose exactly how many times you play
Speaker 2: in a week, but hopefully it's nothing less than four
Speaker 2: times in a week.
Speaker 4: So I'm not telling you.
Speaker 3: I understand.
Speaker 2: I understand that wouldn't even share how many times I
Speaker 2: played golf in a week, although I don't really play
Speaker 2: that much. But I just want to find out. Obviously,
Speaker 2: when you go to any golf course, you would definitely,
Speaker 2: maybe especially in new golf courses, you would do a
Speaker 2: bit of research to find out how long the holes
Speaker 2: are and then also to find out if there's dog
Speaker 2: legs left or right, and then you would look into
Speaker 2: the weather to see what the weather would be like
Speaker 2: on the day that you play. Now, those are I
Speaker 2: would presume, or I would take it from my side
Speaker 2: to say that those are risks that one is willing
Speaker 2: to calculate. I mean, if you're going to spend a
Speaker 2: thousand runks for a round of golf, you would definitely
Speaker 2: look at what you're getting in return. So I want
Speaker 2: to find out from a business point of view, when
Speaker 2: we talk.
Speaker 3: About calculated risks.
Speaker 2: Especially when it comes to business to business expansion, would
Speaker 2: you relate it to be similar to how one would
Speaker 2: assess risks when it comes to approaching new golf courses,
Speaker 2: Like I.
Speaker 4: Said, Well, I would say it's because you know, you
Speaker 4: assess it the the same way. But you know, calculated
Speaker 4: risk is all about being bold, but you need facts
Speaker 4: on your side. Right. It's like trying to end for
Speaker 4: a baby over water. It looks very risky because you're like,
Speaker 4: okay for this path three, I want to get a baby.
Speaker 4: But you've got water in the middle of you know,
Speaker 4: in front of the hole, and maybe you have banger
Speaker 4: on your left and your right. So all you do
Speaker 4: you study your distance, you look at the conditions. You
Speaker 4: understand your swing. You know that if I swing this way,
Speaker 4: my bowl will stay in the middle, stay on the line,
Speaker 4: or if I do my shoulder this way, So you
Speaker 4: do that even in business. That means you test the
Speaker 4: different scenarios, you check your assumptions, you put the necessary
Speaker 4: safeguards in place before making any move, because before you
Speaker 4: make business decisions, you need to actually know, you know
Speaker 4: certain how is what are you looking for? What's in
Speaker 4: it for you? You look at the assumptions, you put
Speaker 4: the necessary self guards in place, and then you make
Speaker 4: your move.
Speaker 3: Awesome stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: Actually, I actually want to share something with you.
Speaker 3: You mentioned that, for instance, you would.
Speaker 2: Take certain things into consideration when playing golf, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a natural fade when it comes to go with
Speaker 2: my swingers in natural faith. So a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago when I played, there's a particular course here in
Speaker 2: Saint Children sat Children golf course and they've got this
Speaker 2: long part three island hole. I think it's about two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen meters, So I mean I'm a long
Speaker 2: hitter as well, So I mean two hundred and fifteen
Speaker 2: meters for me, you're looking at around a four ie
Speaker 2: to actually get to the distance.
Speaker 3: So I would take my club and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, you know what, I in the right direction and
Speaker 2: then first swing, I see my ball is in the air.
Speaker 2: It has the distance, but it then decides to go
Speaker 2: the drong direction. Right then I decided, okay, let me
Speaker 2: let me play again from the T box. Let me
Speaker 2: not go and drop because I believe I can actually
Speaker 2: hit this.
Speaker 3: This this green.
Speaker 2: So I aim more towards the left, do the same thing,
Speaker 2: and then for some reason, the.
Speaker 3: Faith just gets wet. Now the third teen.
Speaker 2: I decided, okay, let me then close my club base.
Speaker 3: Perhaps I will get it straight.
Speaker 2: So I close my club base and then there it
Speaker 2: is a hook.
Speaker 3: So I ended up not hitting the green.
Speaker 2: Now, with that being said, I mean it's it's one
Speaker 2: of those things where you'd say, you know what, I've
Speaker 2: assessed the situation. I've looked at the possible risks. I've
Speaker 2: looked at what's what's possible or what is impossible, and
Speaker 2: then you find yourself actually missing the goal. Have you
Speaker 2: experienced such a thing when it comes to B to
Speaker 2: B mesh making, for instance, where you're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I've assessed these two different businesses, and I believe that
Speaker 2: they would be a great match. But when you when
Speaker 2: you when you sit down with both of them and
Speaker 2: you try to match make them, you find that regardless
Speaker 2: of the similarities, or regardless of your assessments, you find
Speaker 2: that they still don't don't jail And yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm making sense to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I hear so well. In the business, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes it happens. That's why, like for instance, things can
Speaker 4: go wrong, which is why, like I said earlier on,
Speaker 4: you do your your checks in the beginning, and then
Speaker 4: you know what works and you know what can possibly
Speaker 4: work or what might not work. But you obviously when
Speaker 4: you do this, you know, initial matchmaking in the beginning,
Speaker 4: you will make sure that you have governance score cards,
Speaker 4: little guide you know what you do right, because then
Speaker 4: even when something goes wrong, you know there's still something
Speaker 4: that governs what you do. You do your periodic health checks,
Speaker 4: you know, dispute resolutions because you know sometimes when things
Speaker 4: are not aligned, when there's misalignment, there can be disagreements.
Speaker 4: How do you then, you know, resolve disagreements. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: that way, even when they you know, doesn't go the
Speaker 4: weight's supposed to go, but the partnership is still protected
Speaker 4: or intact regardless of the you know, this didn't work,
Speaker 4: that almost work. They didn't work, you know, but when
Speaker 4: you're around it in what guides how you make decisions,
Speaker 4: and then yeah, you might get something out of it.
Speaker 2: Awesome stuff, Awesome stuff that definitely makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2: I like how you relate golf to business. It's so
Speaker 2: it comes so natural to you.
Speaker 3: It's like you do this on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: You see it, and then you're like the seventh and
Speaker 2: if I'm eight, one hundred and fifty, it means from
Speaker 2: a governance point of view in business, I can actually
Speaker 2: do this. And then I like the relationship you actually
Speaker 2: make between what you love, which is golf, and your
Speaker 2: second lass, which is weak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool. So let's go for another two minute break.
Speaker 2: Let's go grab some refreshments, and then when we come back,
Speaker 2: we'll be just addressing a few more questions and then
Speaker 2: there will be the end of our discussion. But I
Speaker 2: have to say it has been quite great check into you,
Speaker 2: especially mixing business with pleasure. I always say when you talk,
Speaker 2: when you talk business and golf, it's missiness with pleasure
Speaker 2: because there's nothing nicer than playing golf. I always say
Speaker 2: to everyone who doesn't play golf that they're missing out.
Speaker 2: Everything happens on the golf course. So whenever I get
Speaker 2: an opportunity to engage with someone who can mix the
Speaker 2: tool golf and business. I'm always excited, So let's go
Speaker 2: for the two in the break and then we'll come back.
Speaker 2: We can now wrap up and have ourselves a great evening.
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Speaker 3: Thunderga, you back, I'm here awesome stuff.
Speaker 2: So you know, you know, thunder got during the break,
Speaker 2: I thought of something. You know, I've been playing a
Speaker 2: lot of golf with senior individuals, people who are just
Speaker 2: over sixty into their seventies, and they always talk about
Speaker 2: cost management or cost correction to me because they look
Speaker 2: at me and they're like, listen, man, you know you're
Speaker 2: still young.
Speaker 3: You've got energy.
Speaker 2: You can hit the balls far, but when you get
Speaker 2: within the hundred meter mark from the green, that's why
Speaker 2: you make a lot of mistakes. And they said, look
Speaker 2: at me, I am seventy two years for instance, and
Speaker 2: I don't hit, I don't hit far, but I plan
Speaker 2: accordingly and instead of focusing on long shots, I would
Speaker 2: rather focus on accuracy. Now that's where that's where the
Speaker 2: cost management aspect comes in to say, if we are
Speaker 2: on a path forward, that intention at the west would
Speaker 2: be to be on the green with the third shot,
Speaker 2: but they want to be as close as possible to
Speaker 2: the pen. Now on my side, I want to be
Speaker 2: on the green with my second shot, regardless of how
Speaker 2: long the holies. I want to be there on the
Speaker 2: second shot, and I then three parts and end up
Speaker 2: getting a power same as they did, or they even
Speaker 2: get a baby. Now with that in mind, I just
Speaker 2: want to ask you time that I mean from a
Speaker 2: business point of view when you talk about risk management, right,
Speaker 2: I just want to find out with regards to partnerships,
Speaker 2: the B to B partnerships that you actually conduct or
Speaker 2: the ones that you actually formulate with different businesses when
Speaker 2: they start to go of course, or when things don't
Speaker 2: go the way that you ideally wanted them to go,
Speaker 2: or whether the partners they don't come to an agreement
Speaker 2: with certain things, what immediate risk interventions do you actually
Speaker 2: recommend to get them back on the their way, if
Speaker 2: I can put it that.
Speaker 4: Way, well, the one is straightforward, honestly, because you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes things don't go according to blend. But when the
Speaker 4: partnership goes off track, the first step to do is
Speaker 4: quickly find out you know what is wrong, because you
Speaker 4: always know when you go into business something might go
Speaker 4: wrong because you need to be risk address. You would
Speaker 4: have done your calculatives, turn all of that, and sometimes
Speaker 4: you might find that there's smashed expectations and maybe weak governance,
Speaker 4: you know, or maybe financial pressure. But once you know,
Speaker 4: once you know the cause, then you can we can
Speaker 4: help the partners fix it, whether that means negotiating the
Speaker 4: terms or tightening the controls or restructuring the deal so
Speaker 4: it gets back on the cause. You figure it out.
Speaker 4: But once you know, then you put those things in
Speaker 4: place at the end of the day that they will
Speaker 4: get back on the cause. It's the same as when
Speaker 4: you play on nice long drive. It's very long, but
Speaker 4: it's on the right of the furway, it's on the tree.
Speaker 4: What do you do? You go behind the ball, you
Speaker 4: assess what club do you need in order to get
Speaker 4: to where you need to be? Do you want to
Speaker 4: punch back to the faway or does it get or
Speaker 4: you can just punch. So in most cases, if the
Speaker 4: gap is not big enough in front of me, there's
Speaker 4: more problems. I just punch back to the fairway and
Speaker 4: then I have a clear shot instead of trying to
Speaker 4: take the long way, take dollars, can stand the chance
Speaker 4: of hitting the tree and go back and meters backwards.
Speaker 4: So even in business, it's simply there. You just check
Speaker 4: if it's off track, you find out what a pend
Speaker 4: and then once you know what a pen, and then
Speaker 4: you fix and then yeah, part of the fishing, you negotiate,
Speaker 4: you know, you put on the controls, you will structure
Speaker 4: the deal, get back on the curse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm laughing is because many times when
Speaker 2: you find ourselves under those situations where you are in
Speaker 2: the rough or there's a tree in front of you,
Speaker 2: the first thing that comes in mind is all these tricks.
Speaker 3: You're like, listen for it.
Speaker 2: If I can aim, If I can aim two feet
Speaker 2: to the right of this tree and then just hit
Speaker 2: a hook, I'll definitely past this. Then before you know it,
Speaker 2: when you hit that shot, the ball is coming back
Speaker 2: at you.
Speaker 3: So I do that a lot. I do that a
Speaker 3: lot a lot.
Speaker 2: So I think I will learn today to say, listen,
Speaker 2: when I'm behind the tree, the best thing, that the
Speaker 2: best thing to do would be to punch it out,
Speaker 2: put it on the fair way. Same thing would apply
Speaker 2: in business to say that, you know what, whenever I
Speaker 2: come across any form of conflict or any unfavorable conditions,
Speaker 2: the first thing to do is to go back to
Speaker 2: my mind map and say, okay, where did we go wrong?
Speaker 3: And then how can we then fix it?
Speaker 2: So you know I told you that I'm speaking your
Speaker 2: language today, I'm speaking business, your first and second love.
Speaker 4: My love languages. This all my love languages. Now.
Speaker 3: Well, going back to I mean long drives and.
Speaker 2: Cost management as well as cost correcting, right, I want
Speaker 2: to find out man, I mean for me as as
Speaker 2: we're having this conversation, I am a very visual person
Speaker 2: and I like.
Speaker 3: Building puzzles.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about business to business connection, I
Speaker 2: mean I related to a very good drive on my end.
Speaker 2: And but when when we're talking about sustainability and longevity, uh,
Speaker 2: in golf particularly, we we are talking about the partying
Speaker 2: as well as the keeping and cheaping, the cheaping and
Speaker 2: pitching right now on your end when when when we talk,
Speaker 2: when we go back to the business fear, how how
Speaker 2: do you then ensure that the B two B connections
Speaker 2: that you create, uh health longevity or there is continuity
Speaker 2: when it when it comes to the services that you
Speaker 2: provide for those partnerships.
Speaker 4: Well, let's try forward. So firstly, we abt the governance
Speaker 4: scorecard because the guides what you do. Then we'll have
Speaker 4: our periodic health checks. Everybody knows where we are, what
Speaker 4: we're doing, were checking periodically, and then the dispute resolutions
Speaker 4: integrated into our B two B agreements. And then this way,
Speaker 4: even after the drive, even after the drive of the
Speaker 4: daily struck, the short game on the partnership, which is
Speaker 4: the continuity is still protected because then when you embed
Speaker 4: all of these things, you are safe. So your short
Speaker 4: game partnership, which is continuation, is protected because when your
Speaker 4: governance got cards a year, when your periodic periodic health
Speaker 4: checks are in place, when these dispute dispute resolutions are embedded,
Speaker 4: and then no matter what happens in the deal, the
Speaker 4: short on the partnership is protected. It's a framework. Hmm.
Speaker 3: So that's framework that you've done obviously it would be
Speaker 3: based on research prior to engaging these entities and formulating
Speaker 3: that connection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you will do your research, You will do your
Speaker 4: background checks, you will do all of those things, and
Speaker 4: you know what they're looking for. And then the scorecards
Speaker 4: will everything have to speak to the dealer hand. M hm.
Speaker 2: Now speaking about the dealer hand, I mean, like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm very visual and i like building puzzles, and the
Speaker 2: one thing that I'm very good at is analyzing a
Speaker 2: golf game. Although I'm a terrible golfer. I'm not the best.
Speaker 2: For as long as I've been playing golf, I'm not
Speaker 2: the best, but I'm very good when it comes to
Speaker 2: analyzing the game as well as people's swings, except for
Speaker 2: my own swing.
Speaker 3: Now, I just want to.
Speaker 2: Say something yet to say, you know, when you play golf,
Speaker 2: obviously you can check the weather.
Speaker 3: In the morning to say, okay, what's going to be happening.
Speaker 2: Will it be sunny, will it be rainy, will they
Speaker 2: be hel will there be a lot of wind, So
Speaker 2: that you can prepare yourself mentally and obviously make sure
Speaker 2: that you take the.
Speaker 3: Right gear, and then you.
Speaker 2: Position your strategy barely to say how you're going to
Speaker 2: approach the entire golf course. Now, the weather would obviously
Speaker 2: change at certain points in time, and then you get
Speaker 2: to the golf course you find that perhaps the greens
Speaker 2: are still under maintenance, right, which then becomes a challenge
Speaker 2: for you personally, because now you become handicapped due.
Speaker 3: To the weather or due to to.
Speaker 2: The maintenance that's taking place. Your game gets disrupted. Now,
Speaker 2: if we were to take that same concept and apply
Speaker 2: to a partnership agreement, I mean, with a partnership agreement,
Speaker 2: two entities would then agree to say this is what
Speaker 2: we agree upon.
Speaker 3: These are at TEMs and conditions, and.
Speaker 2: Certain risks will be taken into consideration to say this
Speaker 2: is how we're going to mitigate these risks. Now, when
Speaker 2: you draft that partnership, I just want to find out,
Speaker 2: how do you then ensure that the partnership is in
Speaker 2: such a way that it withstands all the challenges that
Speaker 2: could ever come across the entire partnership as a whole,
Speaker 2: to make sure that the relationship continues forever or it
Speaker 2: remains effective over a long period of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very helpful question. But key way to
Speaker 4: my answer they is flexibility. I'll tell you why you
Speaker 4: want to make you your stil flexible with pricing that
Speaker 4: can be adjusted with exit options if things change and
Speaker 4: sustainability measures. That way, the partnership will will work, whether
Speaker 4: in both in both good and bad times. You know
Speaker 4: whether things are good, the partnership will work. And when
Speaker 4: things are not going great, you go back and see
Speaker 4: what needs to be adjusted right and then if you
Speaker 4: know exiting is a better option, that's also another option.
Speaker 4: But you want you deal to be flexible, so that's
Speaker 4: when conditions change, you're able to actually make the decision
Speaker 4: that is aligned with that current condition. You find yourself
Speaker 4: in same way as and the the fillways. You know
Speaker 4: when you're playing the water might change or always if
Speaker 4: my umbrella, if it drains, I just pull it out.
Speaker 4: I don't melt. As long as there's no storm, the
Speaker 4: game proceeds. At the moment there's a storm, then it's dangerous.
Speaker 4: Then we have to exceit. You can't hit the club.
Speaker 4: Same as in business flexibility.
Speaker 2: You know, I was actually going to ask you what
Speaker 2: do you do in the golf course if there's if
Speaker 2: the weather changes, do you immediately escape when it starts
Speaker 2: raining or do you continue playing up until Obviously, it
Speaker 2: is advisable for you to get off the course when
Speaker 2: there's lightning, so I think you you've already play up
Speaker 2: until the bell rings.
Speaker 3: Out.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Now, If if you play like that,
Speaker 2: then I think we should play around of golf. Although
Speaker 2: the weather the moment here and outing is quite unpredictable
Speaker 2: because it's rainy season, so anytime it can rain. But
Speaker 2: as long as there's no lightning, I think will continue playing.
Speaker 4: As long as there's no lightning, you know, the game continues.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 2: Now Now, Now, like I said earlier, I'm still here
Speaker 2: to ask you questions about your experience in golf. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I've already giving us a highlight of one of the
Speaker 2: most embarrassing moments you've encountered on the golf course. But
Speaker 2: I would really really like to get a gist of
Speaker 2: your highlights in the game itself. What were the higher
Speaker 2: moments where you're like, yo, I enjoyed myself.
Speaker 3: Oh I did great here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I do have some highlights guys, you know,
Speaker 4: like last Friday, I played on a golf day. Okay,
Speaker 4: my handicap index is a bit high because my golf
Speaker 4: has been not that great it's currently twenty five point nine.
Speaker 4: So when I was playing this golf day, I was
Speaker 4: playing of daty one and on this particular golf day,
Speaker 4: I was on fire. I shot ninety three. I was
Speaker 4: and I had one patty. I had one patty and
Speaker 4: it was difficult countries. It would ease. And then on
Speaker 4: the first nine I shot forty eight and it was
Speaker 4: only like what bugist bogies and then I blew one
Speaker 4: per five and triple bogie in one of four part
Speaker 4: and then bogie bog is forty eight done from home
Speaker 4: number ten it was bogie Brady and then yeah and
Speaker 4: then bogie bogie is part and then triple bogie. Oh,
Speaker 4: double bogie because it was a part five. Then it
Speaker 4: was four to five. I shot ninety three. I've never
Speaker 4: made so many points. That was like the best game ever.
Speaker 4: It's like the hairs. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I need to repeat this.
Speaker 3: I need to repeat this.
Speaker 2: You've got to be very careful, right because now we
Speaker 2: will start auditing your handicap.
Speaker 4: Stop. Wait, guys, I wanted to repeat this name, listen
Speaker 4: to this. Played this game on a Friday. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I need to repeat this. And then I've got a game.
Speaker 4: How get to Halton. It's a nice tournament. I'm just
Speaker 4: coming in as a guest because I was not part
Speaker 4: of the tournament. From the beginning. Well, I got a
Speaker 4: good football, good players too old you know, old people,
Speaker 4: those ones above sixty and myself and my card partner,
Speaker 4: I think we're the same age group, and I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: But anyway, this day was not going as great as
Speaker 4: the other day, but I was still number one on
Speaker 4: my football. So when we started, I was struggling. I
Speaker 4: think it took me long to warm up. I think
Speaker 4: I blew like two holes in the beginning. Then after
Speaker 4: that it was per bogy bogy. Now the old people
Speaker 4: are like, okay, the more she plays, the better she gets.
Speaker 4: She's dealing with all of us. Yes, I love yeah,
Speaker 4: because they were like, oh this girl, she's playing off
Speaker 4: thirty one and now this that's asking me, oh, so
Speaker 4: what do you do for a living? When are we
Speaker 4: playing again? And I did win on that football. I
Speaker 4: finished five over. Yeah she was five over, but she
Speaker 4: was still a win.
Speaker 3: Like I said to you, you have to be very careful.
Speaker 3: We are going to audit that INDICAB by the end
Speaker 3: of this year. It will be way below to.
Speaker 4: Know. I wish, you know, sometimes I play very so
Speaker 4: what happens. Sometimes I toy a lot and I play
Speaker 4: courses I'm not familiar with, and then you know, it's
Speaker 4: a combination of you know, golf and and fun and
Speaker 4: it's just a lot. And then then I don't play
Speaker 4: so great, and then I'm blowing or the time my
Speaker 4: handicap ends up being the way it is. But when
Speaker 4: I come back to my normal courses, home courses, familiar grounds,
Speaker 4: then I play well. And then yeah, but anyway, let's
Speaker 4: see how the adit goes by the end of the samber.
Speaker 2: Now, I believe that it would have improved drastically as
Speaker 2: long as you continue playing. And uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to to a game with you. Please
Speaker 2: do not do not what do they what do they
Speaker 2: say in English? Do not surpass the master? You know,
Speaker 2: I played the sport for Saul. But yeah, you would say,
Speaker 2: you would say a different story when you play with me.
Speaker 3: I'm not chatting, yeah, but yeah, time too.
Speaker 2: It's been It's been fantastic chatting to you, and I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed my time. I believe that our audience enjoyed
Speaker 2: that time. Listening to you and thank you for actually
Speaker 2: enlightening us with your expertise knowledge in business to business
Speaker 2: match making. I believe that all our audience have learned
Speaker 2: a lot about business to business matchmaking. And if there's
Speaker 2: anything that I would like to ask you, is this
Speaker 2: nineteenth November I of Africa Africa Summit Investments.
Speaker 3: There is ago of day.
Speaker 2: I hope you'll be coming through to join us and
Speaker 2: have the best time of your life. I mean I
Speaker 2: of Africa. It's actually I think it's one of the
Speaker 2: long courses that we have here in Houting as well.
Speaker 2: But it's a very beautiful golf course, so I look
Speaker 2: forward to seeing you there. There will be a lot
Speaker 2: of businesses involved, or business people rather in that space,
Speaker 2: so I believe it will be an opportunity for you
Speaker 2: to actually do what you do best, which is.
Speaker 3: BA to D match making.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, absolutely, I'll be happy to be there. I'll
Speaker 4: look forward to reach I'm sure that it will be
Speaker 4: beneficial to actually here participating in a golf day.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, Tandaga, let me love and
Speaker 2: leave you. Please have yourself a beautiful evening and make
Speaker 2: sure that you continue playing golf. One other thing, please
Speaker 2: do not be embarrassed with those embarrassing moments in golf.
Speaker 3: It happens.
Speaker 2: It's just normal for all the golf us to actually
Speaker 2: go through some form of embarrassment. So next time when
Speaker 2: someone asks you what's your most embarrassing moment, just you know,
Speaker 2: just make fun of it and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I had a hole in one. There's nothing more embarrassing
Speaker 2: than that awesome stuff. Now, it's been great having you,
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