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<v Speaker 1>In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's

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<v Speaker 1>and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls

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<v Speaker 1>and Teas, your passport to the golfing universe where every

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<v Speaker 1>swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.

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<v Speaker 1>Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the world of diveds, drives and delightful better the magician.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is the one and

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<v Speaker 2>only podcast to be here, and this is Balls and

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<v Speaker 2>t S. I am Tony Tone, the boy with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of players, a classic man, and as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no better place to be than to be here

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<v Speaker 2>with me, Ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so.

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<v Speaker 2>Excited to be back on your airwaves and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that you are glued to your seat because the hardest

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<v Speaker 2>podcast is back. There's a season two and we are

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<v Speaker 2>starting off with a bank I won't be spoiling the

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<v Speaker 2>beans because we've got a beautiful lady as against very

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<v Speaker 2>very strategic, and she's going to be sharing her insights

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<v Speaker 2>with us when it comes to golf as well as

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the business sphere. So ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't know the drill, this is how we work.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go for a two minute break. Make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I get myself a very very cold jug

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<v Speaker 2>of water so that I can refresh and cool myself down, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, this podcast is so hot, You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be sweating wherever you are. If you're in your car,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be sweating. If you're out in the golf course

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<v Speaker 2>and you just happen to listen to me, you will

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<v Speaker 2>be sweating. So I'm going to give you a few

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to get yourself ice cold water and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you are in a comfortable position because when we

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<v Speaker 2>come back, I will be introducing our guests and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be getting into the cracks of the matter.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's go. They're two minute break in the.

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<v Speaker 1>World where fairways meet the airwaves, where Birdie's and Banker collide.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show that takes you beyond the clubhouse

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<v Speaker 1>and onto the green. This is Balls and Teas, your

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<v Speaker 1>passport to the golfing universe, where every swing tells the

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<v Speaker 1>story and every part has its punchline. Get ready to

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<v Speaker 1>step onto the large screens and dive into the world

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<v Speaker 1>of diveds, drives and delightful better the magician.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ladies and gentlemen, like I said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the one and only Tony Tone. You are tuned into

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<v Speaker 2>Balls and Teas Podcast, the hardest golf podcast there is

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<v Speaker 2>in the entire world. As I said, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't just cover South Africa. We are everywhere. We are

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<v Speaker 2>on Amazon, we are on iTunes, and we are exclusively

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<v Speaker 2>on our own platform. So if you want to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to us, you can go to ww dot bosanties dot Golf.

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<v Speaker 2>You will definitely be able to catch up with all

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<v Speaker 2>the episodes that we have, and you can also go

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<v Speaker 2>on to Spotify. You will definitely catch us there. So

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<v Speaker 2>before the break, I told you please make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>you get yourself as cold water because it's about to

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<v Speaker 2>get extremely hot in here. Like I said, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful guest, beautiful voice, beautiful golfing career and a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful professional career. So, ladies and gentlemen, allow me to

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<v Speaker 2>introduce the one and only Tandega.

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<v Speaker 3>Kise, how do you do?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm well, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm all good? Thank you Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to introduce you as best as I could,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel that I didn't do any justice. So

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<v Speaker 2>before we actually get into any conversation, would you mind

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<v Speaker 2>reintroducing yourself thoroughly. Let us know who you are, let

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<v Speaker 2>us know what you do, let us know how you

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<v Speaker 2>actually got into golf as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's an obvious question that I always get, is

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<v Speaker 4>a woman playing golf? But anyway, Yeah, so, hi guys,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you so much for having me in your platform.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm turning them. Kids are from Durban, based in Johannesbeck

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<v Speaker 4>currently a senior manager at Peter WC Consulting in real

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<v Speaker 4>Services Practice. And what I do at Peter WC, I

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<v Speaker 4>focus on technology risk governance and helping clients build trust

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<v Speaker 4>in their digital transformation journeys. Beyond my role at Peter WC,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm also building initiatives that actually connect business and communities,

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<v Speaker 4>including you know, platforms for partnership and growth across Africa,

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<v Speaker 4>not just locally. So I'm very passionate about creating sustainable

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<v Speaker 4>collaborations that actually delivers real impact and I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 4>actually share some of those and part of my initi

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<v Speaker 4>natives outside of pw C is CSG, which is a

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<v Speaker 4>social golfing platform that actually coordinate monthly socials within the

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<v Speaker 4>golfers in our school. We also have provincial tournaments that

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<v Speaker 4>we play annually against other school outside of outside of

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<v Speaker 4>the province, and we are currently in the process of

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<v Speaker 4>actually launching our Pan African tournaments. And we've got access

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<v Speaker 4>to East, North, and West African markets obviously including our

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<v Speaker 4>South Southern African market the Southern African countries. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 4>about that. But what we're trying to achieve is actually

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<v Speaker 4>use golf as a catalyst for change and impact. Basically,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, awesome, awesome. So just a quick one right before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into serious business. How long have you been

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<v Speaker 2>playing golf and how did you actually get involved start

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<v Speaker 2>getting involved into the sport because many times people would say,

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<v Speaker 2>now golf is boring, golf is too slow. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to understand what entrigated you to get into

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<v Speaker 2>the sport.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, that's a very normal question. So so for me,

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<v Speaker 4>like the nature of my work is consulting and it

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<v Speaker 4>requires you to have a little bit of business development

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<v Speaker 4>because obviously we save as clients, we need to build relationships,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, generate leads, pipelines and eventually revenue. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think as part of my business development strategies, I use

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<v Speaker 4>golf to actually connect to my clients because most of

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<v Speaker 4>my clients they play golf. I didn't know anything about

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<v Speaker 4>golf up until one of the clients that I used

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<v Speaker 4>to save is a few years go. They will invite

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<v Speaker 4>me on their golf days and I will sit there

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<v Speaker 4>and just watch. I'm like, actually, this looks interesting, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the way I is beautiful, the greens look nice. And

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<v Speaker 4>then I started pursuing the game. But I didn't just

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<v Speaker 4>started playing. I started, obviously by going to the World

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<v Speaker 4>of Golf practicing, signing up using their you know, their

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<v Speaker 4>clubs to actually just hit the balls and see how

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<v Speaker 4>it feels. And I really really love the spots. So

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<v Speaker 4>then I started pursuing the game. I think I only started, No,

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<v Speaker 4>not that I think I started. My first game was

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<v Speaker 4>in December twenty two, December twenty twenty three. That moment,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't even have a driver. I've only ever been

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<v Speaker 4>into the range. It was very interesting, But since then

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<v Speaker 4>I never looked back.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, awesome, you know, I like the back that catches

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<v Speaker 2>people when it comes to golf, because people would say, nah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this thing, I'm not feeling it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>once you get one great shot, then it excites you.

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<v Speaker 2>You look forward to more and you just continue carry on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I like the fact that it also got you.

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<v Speaker 2>You never look back, you never stop playing.

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<v Speaker 3>So please carry on playing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope you bring more of your friends and

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues into the sport. You encourage them to get involved

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<v Speaker 2>into the sport, because for me, it's more than just

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<v Speaker 2>a sport.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>There's certain values that one actually learns from the sport itself,

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<v Speaker 2>and like you said, it's a good tool for business development,

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<v Speaker 2>which I believe has been working well for you as well.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like you know, everybody has different ways of

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<v Speaker 4>actually pursuing business because there's so many ways through it.

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<v Speaker 4>I love sports. When I was at school, I played basketball,

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<v Speaker 4>and then yeah, along the way, I stopped playing basketball

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<v Speaker 4>because obviously work and time, it's not possible. And then

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<v Speaker 4>I do gym. I go to gym. Obviously with Jimmy,

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<v Speaker 4>get a bit bored and you need something that's going

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<v Speaker 4>to get you excited or something to look forward to.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not just about business development, but it's also

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<v Speaker 4>your own it's also my happy place, like where I

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<v Speaker 4>get my pinings and all of that. And yeah, the

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<v Speaker 4>thing is once you start, like I said, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>look back because you know, with golf, you always you

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<v Speaker 4>play and you always feel like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 4>need to go back. I'm going to do better tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 4>or I need to fix this or I need to

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<v Speaker 4>fix that.

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<v Speaker 2>One per I like your positive outlook on golf. So

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<v Speaker 2>now let's talk about today's theme, right. Our theme is

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<v Speaker 2>titled the Fairway Framework. So I just want to get

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<v Speaker 2>your understanding of what or your own view, your own opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>or what fairway framework means to you before we start

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<v Speaker 2>breaking things down and talking more serious stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, yeah, you know like fairway framework. For me, it's

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<v Speaker 4>really what you do on the fairway. It's also applicable

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<v Speaker 4>in your business or personal life. So the fairway framework

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<v Speaker 4>actually helped me, helps me to outline or plan how

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<v Speaker 4>I do things because on the fairway you plan for

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<v Speaker 4>every short you have an objective. You need to be

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<v Speaker 4>calculative in terms of what clubs you play, what you

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<v Speaker 4>want to achieve. It's the same in business, so you

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<v Speaker 4>have a framework that actually guides your decisions. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>same as on the fairways on business.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome. Awesome, Yeah, I really like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the way you explained it, it made me

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<v Speaker 2>understand it better as well. No, no, no, it definitely makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, considering the theme, I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>find out from yours, how do you equate the strategic

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<v Speaker 2>planning before a business to business partnership to choosing the

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<v Speaker 2>right club and aiming for the perfect tea shot? So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you mentioned that you are in consulting.

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<v Speaker 3>So if we.

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<v Speaker 2>Were to say, or we were to look at the

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<v Speaker 2>critical consulting analysis that happens at the initial stages, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to take that and put it into the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course, how would you then define it? All?

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<v Speaker 4>Right? So I will say that, you know, how do

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<v Speaker 4>I equate the strategic planning? It's simple, Like for instance,

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<v Speaker 4>in consulting the T shirt, It's all about preparation, right,

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<v Speaker 4>That's where the team of because you need to prepare yourself,

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<v Speaker 4>take the right clab. You know you've got the tea

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<v Speaker 4>and everything. You look at your distance, you prepare. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's all about preparation, understanding the market landscape, partner of it,

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<v Speaker 4>as well as long term objectives. Say, like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>in the club. We use structured DOOS diligence to actually

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<v Speaker 4>do our stakeholder alignments and scenerio analysis ensure that the

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<v Speaker 4>first strat, the first strike will set us up for success.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, that's that's quite interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, now you'll you'll pardon me, but I love golf

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<v Speaker 2>so much that every single question that I'll be asking

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<v Speaker 2>you will be more or less related to golf, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so I will just put in a touch of golf

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<v Speaker 2>in whatever question, although it could be business related as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a quick one here. So you know, in golf,

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<v Speaker 2>as you play, you play the ball where it lies,

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<v Speaker 2>unless it's obviously uh in a house hazards place where

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's concrete, or it's just right next to a three,

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<v Speaker 2>and you might end up breaking your clubs now. So

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<v Speaker 2>with that being instead, if you were to look at

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<v Speaker 2>B to be partners B to be partnerships across diverse

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<v Speaker 2>African markets, what are the inherent cost conditions or risks

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<v Speaker 2>you must assess and how does your consulting savies help

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<v Speaker 2>if we talk about markets, there's always volatility in different markets.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to understand how you adapt the

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<v Speaker 4>Ye, I know, that's very interesting question. So it feels

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<v Speaker 4>you throw those business conversations, but in a real life manner.

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<v Speaker 4>So obviously with the cost conditions, it's the same, like

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<v Speaker 4>you will assess your risk first, is it safe to

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<v Speaker 4>cheap into the fair way? Right, you are assessing your

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<v Speaker 4>in the African B to B matchmaking contexts, those conditions

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<v Speaker 4>will include regulatory preductive unpredictability because there's all these changes.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, So obviously in our saying, in the B

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<v Speaker 4>a rists can go for it. With that being said,

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<v Speaker 4>the infrastructure gaps, and our role is to actually help

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<v Speaker 4>our clients adjust their swings through governance frameworks, constituency planning

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're speaking very very big with there, but

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<v Speaker 2>I get the gist of everything. The one thing I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to ask you is so with regards to

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<v Speaker 2>different with different backgrounds, with different belief systems, with different

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<v Speaker 2>business approaches. So do you always try to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>put together more or less within the same mindset or

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<v Speaker 2>the same framework, or do you find yourself having to

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<v Speaker 4>So in business, in any business, you always want to

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<v Speaker 4>trying to achieve for that particular deal. Yeah, and with

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<v Speaker 4>that thing, Yeah, I don't know, are you answered.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe your answer was very straightforward and very clear,

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<v Speaker 2>because the bottom line is all that met us in

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's just go for a two minute break, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when we come back, we'll be getting or delving

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<v Speaker 2>more into this serious conversation. Like I said, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want you to visualize yourself being on the golf course,

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<v Speaker 2>chatting to a potential client or chatting into a colleague.

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<v Speaker 2>And then let's make this as fun as possible. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be all intricate and yeah, too serious.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, awesome, awesome stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're quickly going for it too.

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<v Speaker 1>In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's

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<v Speaker 1>and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls

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<v Speaker 1>and Ts, your passport to the golfing universe where every

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<v Speaker 1>swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying tuned in.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the one only Balls and Tea is the

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<v Speaker 2>only relevant podcast to listen to in the entire world. Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking golf, We're talking business, We're talking comaraderie. We're

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<v Speaker 2>just having fun. And guess what, with all the fun

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<v Speaker 2>that we're having, we're just saying, please, let's use golf

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<v Speaker 2>to unwind, Let's use golf to network, let's use golf

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<v Speaker 2>to expand our businesses. Today we are joined by the

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<v Speaker 2>one and only Kyser and she is a golfer. She

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<v Speaker 2>is in the consulting space from a business point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, yeah, we're just having a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We're having a beautiful chat. Now I'm yet to ask

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<v Speaker 2>her some of the West golf experiences as well as

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<v Speaker 2>some of the best memories she's head on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>So please stay tuned in as I engaged with Tanda.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you still with me?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm here awesome only when I hear about my good experiences,

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<v Speaker 4>because I don't if you want to share with the

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<v Speaker 4>bad ones.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you know, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing about golf is that your West experiences

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<v Speaker 2>actually shape up your best game.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it from me.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, the worst experience I've had on the golf course,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, it was actually earlier this year at

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<v Speaker 2>a golf day in Johannes bag So whilst I was

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<v Speaker 2>playing there, someone hit the ball from behind me. From

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<v Speaker 2>behind me and they screamed four. The first reaction that

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<v Speaker 2>came to that came to mind was dropped down. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>even look back, don't turn your head, just dropped So

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<v Speaker 2>I went so quick then I squatted so quick that

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<v Speaker 2>my my pants tore on the spot and it was

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<v Speaker 2>very discomforting. So it was not a nice side And luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>luckily what my mind told me to do, I did

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<v Speaker 2>it on time because that ball was heading straight from

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<v Speaker 2>my head, so it just passed as I as I

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<v Speaker 2>went down. So afterwards, I think I think my game

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<v Speaker 2>improved with torn pens. I had to buy new pants

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that is insane. Yeah, we're being too tight,

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<v Speaker 4>Like did they hit properly?

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<v Speaker 2>No, they were, they were loose enough. It's just that

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think it's just how how quick I

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you told the bullet because you know it's better

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<v Speaker 4>than towns. Then, Yeah, being hit by that little bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is painful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hit me three times already, and yeah, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a nice experience. But anyway, I was just saying, please

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<v Speaker 2>do not be embarrassed to share your West moments. In

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<v Speaker 2>the golf course because everyone has them. I've seen a

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<v Speaker 2>to the best of us.

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<v Speaker 4>No, if I think about my worst moments, there's actually

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like with ladies outfits, you've got dresses, skirts,

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<v Speaker 4>particular day, I'm wearing my long pants because it's obviously cloudy,

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<v Speaker 4>but for some reason, the zip would just not stay

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<v Speaker 4>up right. And I'm fully dressed, but every time I

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<v Speaker 4>check myself, the zip is open, and my peers will

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<v Speaker 4>keep reminding me, start out your zip. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the guys had to borrow with the belt

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<v Speaker 4>I cut my chasy wrapped this around my way. He

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<v Speaker 4>their belts and they're like, okay, such your self out

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<v Speaker 4>and then I was able to focus to the game,

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<v Speaker 4>focus from the game again. But it was tricky. It

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<v Speaker 2>No, definitely, and I'm really sorry for having such an experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But I hope after you got that sorted out, you

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<v Speaker 2>started playing your golf instead of a disteped game of golf.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, My naturals wing came back because now I was

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But but like I said, each one of us have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of embarrassing moments.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we all play to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Through all these experiences. That's that's the nice thing about golf.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no one who can say that they've mastered it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's no one also who can say that they've

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<v Speaker 2>prevented things from happening. I mean, certain pros, you find

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<v Speaker 2>them so frustrated, they break their clubs, and at the

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<v Speaker 2>time they are alive on TV, so we're watching them,

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<v Speaker 2>We're like, okay, what's going on? So please do not

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<v Speaker 2>feel embarrassed about that. It happens, and hopefully it will

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<v Speaker 2>repeated itself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, I'm thinking to dresses, no long pens.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my, stick to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully nothing, nothing else will happen in the gist of

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. But now moving right along time, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to find out. I mean, as you know, in golf,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's water, hasards, there's the rough, there's bunkers, and

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<v Speaker 2>those things they actually represent risk. I mean they are

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<v Speaker 2>there to actually shake you, shake you off a bit

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<v Speaker 2>as a golf I mean, if you fall into a

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<v Speaker 2>fairway bunker, it becomes very complex and very stressful for

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<v Speaker 2>you to actually try to approach the green from that

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<v Speaker 2>shot if you're not fully confident, as well as if

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I want to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>From you, if you were to look at the space

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<v Speaker 2>that you oper waiting in from a professional level in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of your consulting services, how how do you come

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<v Speaker 2>across such risks if there are any within the business

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<v Speaker 2>s fere and what measures do you actually take to mitigate.

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<v Speaker 4>Such Yeah, that's a good question. So, yeah, in golf

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<v Speaker 4>we always face those hazards. And in most cases, if

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<v Speaker 4>it's not good already. You panic and you try avoid

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<v Speaker 4>the banker and you shank and you are even in

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<v Speaker 4>more more trouble, so exactly, or you try to avoid

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<v Speaker 4>what you end up hitting the tree and then you

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<v Speaker 4>go back and it just you know, adds more more

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<v Speaker 4>to your problems. So in my business, well, to actually

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<v Speaker 4>manage this, we focus on tier complaint complaints, checks around checks,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, testing different scenarios, and ensuring that we put

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<v Speaker 4>in place the mechanisms that can resolve conflicts quickly so

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<v Speaker 4>that the partnership can stay on the cause. There's obviously

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of risks that I'm you know, in place

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to B two B making matchmaking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes you can you can find that partners might not

425
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<v Speaker 4>be pulling into the same direction, or the political shift

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<v Speaker 4>or the shifts in the regulations. Like I said, there's

427
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<v Speaker 4>all these changes. But for us, actually manage the risk,

428
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<v Speaker 4>manage the hazards so that you don't find yourself in trouble. Upfront,

429
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<v Speaker 4>You do your compliance checks, you do your all the

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<v Speaker 4>controls in place, actually manage the risk and ensuring that

431
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<v Speaker 4>the partnership stays on the cause.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So we're still on risk and risks and hazards.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to find out from you in terms

434
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<v Speaker 2>of your golf. Have you ever found yourself in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where you approach a hole where the green is

436
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>actually surrounded by water, and then suddenly the green starts

437
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.599
<v Speaker 2>looking like it's shrinking or it's becoming smaller.

438
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:14.079
<v Speaker 3>Then it starts intimidating you.

439
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Even in that situation, how do you then reposition your

440
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>mind to say, listen, let me stick to the game

441
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.279
<v Speaker 2>that I've been playing, or do you then just panic

442
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<v Speaker 2>and then carry on as if that will be your

443
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<v Speaker 2>last shot of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to find out from you.

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<v Speaker 2>How how do you then come across many situations on

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<v Speaker 2>the golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>In every hole, I stick to my basic principles, no

448
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<v Speaker 4>matter how intimidating the hole is. And my first principle

449
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 4>I stand on the teabox, I align myself, I look

450
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 4>at the flag, I read the distance. Once I understand

451
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 4>the distance, I take the club. This is accurate for

452
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<v Speaker 4>the stance. Now it depends that it might be windy

453
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<v Speaker 4>and I'm playing into the wind, and I have to play,

454
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, a bit of a at maybe a club over.

455
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<v Speaker 4>But then I just measure the distance, select the right club,

456
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 4>and I hit the ball and in most cases, I'm lucky,

457
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<v Speaker 4>and at times it doesn't work. And do you know

458
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<v Speaker 4>what they say, the more you play, the luckier you get.

459
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<v Speaker 4>So I really don't worry about Sometimes I even say

460
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what I'm in front of me. I

461
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<v Speaker 4>would even say that actually know what I're in front

462
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<v Speaker 4>of me. Yeah, and my game on those patteries have improved. Yeah,

463
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.559
<v Speaker 4>in the beginning I used to struggle. I will blow

464
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<v Speaker 4>every parttery, but currently not, I don't blow them as much.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe at the moment, you're getting your past, you're

466
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<v Speaker 3>getting your babies.

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<v Speaker 4>Well persant bookies. When I'm lucky, I get a baby.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah ouch, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>So so speaking of the more you practice or the

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<v Speaker 2>more you play, the luckier you get, would you say

472
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<v Speaker 2>that would be the same philosophy or concept when it comes.

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<v Speaker 3>To b to be match making in your in your space.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't think lucky existing business, eh, But the

475
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<v Speaker 4>more you play in business, the more you have experience

476
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 4>and your work speaks for itself. So it's like, the

477
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<v Speaker 4>more you play, the more I know of you, and

478
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.720
<v Speaker 4>you expeak for itself. So we can always use the

479
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<v Speaker 4>same terminology, but not the term lucky, because it's not

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<v Speaker 4>about luck, it's about you know your capability, your competencies,

481
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 4>your skills. You know your service offerings and how you

482
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 4>deliver your reputation as well. So does a lot of

483
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<v Speaker 4>things involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Young Yeah, you know, you actually mentioned something very critical

485
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<v Speaker 2>in the previous question where you said that, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>when you approach those island path reads, you would look

487
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<v Speaker 2>at the distance and make sure that you select.

488
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<v Speaker 3>The correct club.

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<v Speaker 2>I often hear a lot of people saying that a

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<v Speaker 2>great golfer would visualize the successful shot. Now, with that

491
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<v Speaker 2>being set, when it comes to business to business relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you then help two different businesses to actually

493
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<v Speaker 2>visualize the end goal or the relationship that you're trying

494
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<v Speaker 2>to establish between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so well, in golf, if you look at golf

496
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<v Speaker 4>having to visualize your shots, right, you have markers that

497
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<v Speaker 4>tell you how far you are from the green right,

498
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<v Speaker 4>and that guides you because you can't visualize something you

499
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<v Speaker 4>don't understand. Before you visualize your shorts, you need to

500
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<v Speaker 4>know how far you can you know you can hit

501
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:56.680
<v Speaker 4>the ball. So in business partnerships, you have KPIs which

502
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<v Speaker 4>works the same way. They give very clear miserable rules

503
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<v Speaker 4>stones so that both partners know how close they are

504
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<v Speaker 4>to the shared goals, whether it's driven growth, market entry,

505
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:13.240
<v Speaker 4>impact out comes. So that just guides the process because

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<v Speaker 4>when there's KPIs and then the goals are clear and

507
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.319
<v Speaker 4>the visual.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, that definitely makes sense. Now I just

509
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<v Speaker 2>want to find out. I mean, you've played golf, like

510
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<v Speaker 2>you said, you you play, you play golf, and you

511
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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to disclose exactly how many times you play

512
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<v Speaker 2>in a week, but hopefully it's nothing less than four

513
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<v Speaker 2>times in a week.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not telling you.

515
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<v Speaker 3>I understand.

516
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I understand that wouldn't even share how many times I

517
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<v Speaker 2>played golf in a week, although I don't really play

518
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<v Speaker 2>that much. But I just want to find out. Obviously,

519
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 2>when you go to any golf course, you would definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe especially in new golf courses, you would do a

521
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>bit of research to find out how long the holes

522
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>are and then also to find out if there's dog

523
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>legs left or right, and then you would look into

524
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 2>the weather to see what the weather would be like

525
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 2>on the day that you play. Now, those are I

526
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<v Speaker 2>would presume, or I would take it from my side

527
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>to say that those are risks that one is willing

528
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 2>to calculate. I mean, if you're going to spend a

529
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.319
<v Speaker 2>thousand runks for a round of golf, you would definitely

530
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 2>look at what you're getting in return. So I want

531
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<v Speaker 2>to find out from a business point of view, when

532
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 2>we talk.

533
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 3>About calculated risks.

534
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Especially when it comes to business to business expansion, would

535
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<v Speaker 2>you relate it to be similar to how one would

536
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<v Speaker 2>assess risks when it comes to approaching new golf courses,

537
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<v Speaker 2>Like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Said, Well, I would say it's because you know, you

539
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 4>assess it the the same way. But you know, calculated

540
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 4>risk is all about being bold, but you need facts

541
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<v Speaker 4>on your side. Right. It's like trying to end for

542
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Speaker 4>a baby over water. It looks very risky because you're like,

543
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 4>okay for this path three, I want to get a baby.

544
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.079
<v Speaker 4>But you've got water in the middle of you know,

545
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:26.880
<v Speaker 4>in front of the hole, and maybe you have banger

546
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 4>on your left and your right. So all you do

547
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.119
<v Speaker 4>you study your distance, you look at the conditions. You

548
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.880
<v Speaker 4>understand your swing. You know that if I swing this way,

549
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 4>my bowl will stay in the middle, stay on the line,

550
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<v Speaker 4>or if I do my shoulder this way, So you

551
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 4>do that even in business. That means you test the

552
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.240
<v Speaker 4>different scenarios, you check your assumptions, you put the necessary

553
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 4>safeguards in place before making any move, because before you

554
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 4>make business decisions, you need to actually know, you know

555
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<v Speaker 4>certain how is what are you looking for? What's in

556
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.720
<v Speaker 4>it for you? You look at the assumptions, you put

557
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 4>the necessary self guards in place, and then you make

558
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<v Speaker 4>your move.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome stuff. You know.

560
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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I actually want to share something with you.

561
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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned that, for instance, you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Take certain things into consideration when playing golf, and you know,

563
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<v Speaker 2>I'm a natural fade when it comes to go with

564
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<v Speaker 2>my swingers in natural faith. So a couple of years

565
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 2>ago when I played, there's a particular course here in

566
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Saint Children sat Children golf course and they've got this

567
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>long part three island hole. I think it's about two

568
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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifteen meters, So I mean I'm a long

569
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>hitter as well, So I mean two hundred and fifteen

570
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>meters for me, you're looking at around a four ie

571
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 2>to actually get to the distance.

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00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 3>So I would take my club and I'm.

573
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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know what, I in the right direction and

574
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:08.039
<v Speaker 2>then first swing, I see my ball is in the air.

575
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.599
<v Speaker 2>It has the distance, but it then decides to go

576
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the drong direction. Right then I decided, okay, let me

577
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.360
<v Speaker 2>let me play again from the T box. Let me

578
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>not go and drop because I believe I can actually

579
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:24.719
<v Speaker 2>hit this.

580
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.239
<v Speaker 3>This this green.

581
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<v Speaker 2>So I aim more towards the left, do the same thing,

582
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<v Speaker 2>and then for some reason, the.

583
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<v Speaker 3>Faith just gets wet. Now the third teen.

584
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<v Speaker 2>I decided, okay, let me then close my club base.

585
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 3>Perhaps I will get it straight.

586
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>So I close my club base and then there it

587
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<v Speaker 2>is a hook.

588
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 3>So I ended up not hitting the green.

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00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, with that being said, I mean it's it's one

590
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 2>of those things where you'd say, you know what, I've

591
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 2>assessed the situation. I've looked at the possible risks. I've

592
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:09.599
<v Speaker 2>looked at what's what's possible or what is impossible, and

593
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<v Speaker 2>then you find yourself actually missing the goal. Have you

594
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<v Speaker 2>experienced such a thing when it comes to B to

595
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 2>B mesh making, for instance, where you're like, you know what,

596
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<v Speaker 2>I've assessed these two different businesses, and I believe that

597
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 2>they would be a great match. But when you when

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00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 2>you when you sit down with both of them and

599
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.800
<v Speaker 2>you try to match make them, you find that regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of the similarities, or regardless of your assessments, you find

601
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<v Speaker 2>that they still don't don't jail And yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I'm making sense to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, I hear so well. In the business, you know,

604
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<v Speaker 4>sometimes it happens. That's why, like for instance, things can

605
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<v Speaker 4>go wrong, which is why, like I said earlier on,

606
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 4>you do your your checks in the beginning, and then

607
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:05.000
<v Speaker 4>you know what works and you know what can possibly

608
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 4>work or what might not work. But you obviously when

609
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.199
<v Speaker 4>you do this, you know, initial matchmaking in the beginning,

610
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.519
<v Speaker 4>you will make sure that you have governance score cards,

611
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 4>little guide you know what you do right, because then

612
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<v Speaker 4>even when something goes wrong, you know there's still something

613
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 4>that governs what you do. You do your periodic health checks,

614
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, dispute resolutions because you know sometimes when things

615
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.559
<v Speaker 4>are not aligned, when there's misalignment, there can be disagreements.

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00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 4>How do you then, you know, resolve disagreements. Yeah, so

617
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 4>that way, even when they you know, doesn't go the

618
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 4>weight's supposed to go, but the partnership is still protected

619
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 4>or intact regardless of the you know, this didn't work,

620
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Speaker 4>that almost work. They didn't work, you know, but when

621
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<v Speaker 4>you're around it in what guides how you make decisions,

622
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.159
<v Speaker 4>and then yeah, you might get something out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome stuff, Awesome stuff that definitely makes sense, you know.

624
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<v Speaker 2>I like how you relate golf to business. It's so

625
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it comes so natural to you.

626
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 3>It's like you do this on a daily basis.

627
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>You see it, and then you're like the seventh and

628
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.480
<v Speaker 2>if I'm eight, one hundred and fifty, it means from

629
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<v Speaker 2>a governance point of view in business, I can actually

630
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.079
<v Speaker 2>do this. And then I like the relationship you actually

631
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<v Speaker 2>make between what you love, which is golf, and your

632
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<v Speaker 2>second lass, which is weak.

633
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's cool. So let's go for another two minute break.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go grab some refreshments, and then when we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be just addressing a few more questions and then

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<v Speaker 2>there will be the end of our discussion. But I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say it has been quite great check into you,

638
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 2>especially mixing business with pleasure. I always say when you talk,

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00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 2>when you talk business and golf, it's missiness with pleasure

640
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.199
<v Speaker 2>because there's nothing nicer than playing golf. I always say

641
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to everyone who doesn't play golf that they're missing out.

642
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Everything happens on the golf course. So whenever I get

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to engage with someone who can mix the

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00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>tool golf and business. I'm always excited, So let's go

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<v Speaker 2>for the two in the break and then we'll come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We can now wrap up and have ourselves a great evening.

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<v Speaker 1>In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where birdiees

648
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you

649
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 1>beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's balls and teas,

650
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>your passport to the golfing universe, where every swing tells

651
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<v Speaker 1>the story and every part has its punchline. Get ready

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<v Speaker 1>to step onto the large screens and dive into the

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<v Speaker 1>world of givets, drives and delightful better.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is still the one

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<v Speaker 2>and only twenty tone on Bowls and Tears. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the only podcast you ever ever want.

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<v Speaker 3>To listen to worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking golf, we're talking business, camaraderie, were having fun,

659
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<v Speaker 2>we having lighthearted conversations. This is the space where social

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<v Speaker 2>golfers actually get to express themselves. People who are always

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<v Speaker 2>in the work environment come here to distress. So wherever

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<v Speaker 2>you are, however, you're listening to me, whether it's on

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<v Speaker 2>your phone, whether it's on your laptop, whether it's on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Please do know that we would like to have a

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<v Speaker 3>chat with you next.

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<v Speaker 2>So wherever you are, go onto our social media platforms

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<v Speaker 2>and touch base with us and tell us that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be on the SHO. I will definitely contact

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<v Speaker 2>you and then we can have a beautiful conversation again.

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<v Speaker 2>So ladies and gentlemen, whiles I'm still here, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to share with you beautiful, beautiful great news to

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<v Speaker 2>let you know that on the nineteenth of November twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, there is a prestigious golf day by Africa

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<v Speaker 2>Summit Investments that will be happening at Aye of Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean Eye of Africa is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most prestigious golf courses that we have. Get in out

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<v Speaker 2>and so make sure that you go to the website

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<v Speaker 2>to actually check what is happening. So the website is

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<v Speaker 2>www dot Samit Organization dot Africa and then you can

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<v Speaker 2>get more details there. We also have contact details for

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<v Speaker 2>non Buomelelo which is zero seven nine one four six

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<v Speaker 2>on zero six zero seven three five eight seven sixty

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<v Speaker 2>six and they can share more details regarding this or

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<v Speaker 2>speech occasion that's taking place on the nineteenth of November. So,

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<v Speaker 2>ladies and gentlemen, as you know, we've got our guest,

688
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 2>and she is still hyped up. She actually wants to

689
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>go on for another two hours because she's excited that

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<v Speaker 2>we're speaking her language, which is golf and business. So Thunderga,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you once again for joining us, and I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that we are ready to go. Lend me bombach you

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<v Speaker 2>with more questions, but let's for the most let's have

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Thunderga, you back, I'm here awesome stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, you know, thunder got during the break,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought of something. You know, I've been playing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of golf with senior individuals, people who are just

699
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<v Speaker 2>over sixty into their seventies, and they always talk about

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00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 2>cost management or cost correction to me because they look

701
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.280
<v Speaker 2>at me and they're like, listen, man, you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>still young.

703
00:42:58.880 --> 00:42:59.800
<v Speaker 3>You've got energy.

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00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 2>You can hit the balls far, but when you get

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00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>within the hundred meter mark from the green, that's why

706
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 2>you make a lot of mistakes. And they said, look

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<v Speaker 2>at me, I am seventy two years for instance, and

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00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't hit, I don't hit far, but I plan

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<v Speaker 2>accordingly and instead of focusing on long shots, I would

710
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 2>rather focus on accuracy. Now that's where that's where the

711
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>cost management aspect comes in to say, if we are

712
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<v Speaker 2>on a path forward, that intention at the west would

713
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<v Speaker 2>be to be on the green with the third shot,

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00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 2>but they want to be as close as possible to

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<v Speaker 2>the pen. Now on my side, I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the green with my second shot, regardless of how

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<v Speaker 2>long the holies. I want to be there on the

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<v Speaker 2>second shot, and I then three parts and end up

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<v Speaker 2>getting a power same as they did, or they even

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<v Speaker 2>get a baby. Now with that in mind, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to ask you time that I mean from a

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<v Speaker 2>business point of view when you talk about risk management, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to find out with regards to partnerships,

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<v Speaker 2>the B to B partnerships that you actually conduct or

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00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 2>the ones that you actually formulate with different businesses when

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<v Speaker 2>they start to go of course, or when things don't

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00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 2>go the way that you ideally wanted them to go,

728
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<v Speaker 2>or whether the partners they don't come to an agreement

729
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<v Speaker 2>with certain things, what immediate risk interventions do you actually

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<v Speaker 2>recommend to get them back on the their way, if

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<v Speaker 2>I can put it that.

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<v Speaker 4>Way, well, the one is straightforward, honestly, because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes things don't go according to blend. But when the

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<v Speaker 4>partnership goes off track, the first step to do is

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<v Speaker 4>quickly find out you know what is wrong, because you

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00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.480
<v Speaker 4>always know when you go into business something might go

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<v Speaker 4>wrong because you need to be risk address. You would

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<v Speaker 4>have done your calculatives, turn all of that, and sometimes

739
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 4>you might find that there's smashed expectations and maybe weak governance,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, or maybe financial pressure. But once you know,

741
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 4>once you know the cause, then you can we can

742
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<v Speaker 4>help the partners fix it, whether that means negotiating the

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<v Speaker 4>terms or tightening the controls or restructuring the deal so

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<v Speaker 4>it gets back on the cause. You figure it out.

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00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 4>But once you know, then you put those things in

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<v Speaker 4>place at the end of the day that they will

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<v Speaker 4>get back on the cause. It's the same as when

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<v Speaker 4>you play on nice long drive. It's very long, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's on the right of the furway, it's on the tree.

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00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 4>What do you do? You go behind the ball, you

751
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.480
<v Speaker 4>assess what club do you need in order to get

752
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<v Speaker 4>to where you need to be? Do you want to

753
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<v Speaker 4>punch back to the faway or does it get or

754
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.639
<v Speaker 4>you can just punch. So in most cases, if the

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<v Speaker 4>gap is not big enough in front of me, there's

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<v Speaker 4>more problems. I just punch back to the fairway and

757
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<v Speaker 4>then I have a clear shot instead of trying to

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<v Speaker 4>take the long way, take dollars, can stand the chance

759
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 4>of hitting the tree and go back and meters backwards.

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<v Speaker 4>So even in business, it's simply there. You just check

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<v Speaker 4>if it's off track, you find out what a pend

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<v Speaker 4>and then once you know what a pen, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you fix and then yeah, part of the fishing, you negotiate,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you put on the controls, you will structure

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<v Speaker 4>the deal, get back on the curse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm laughing is because many times when

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<v Speaker 2>you find ourselves under those situations where you are in

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<v Speaker 2>the rough or there's a tree in front of you,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing that comes in mind is all these tricks.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, listen for it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can aim, If I can aim two feet

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<v Speaker 2>to the right of this tree and then just hit

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<v Speaker 2>a hook, I'll definitely past this. Then before you know it,

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00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>when you hit that shot, the ball is coming back

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<v Speaker 2>at you.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do that a lot. I do that a

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<v Speaker 3>lot a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think I will learn today to say, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm behind the tree, the best thing, that the

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<v Speaker 2>best thing to do would be to punch it out,

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<v Speaker 2>put it on the fair way. Same thing would apply

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00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 2>in business to say that, you know what, whenever I

784
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<v Speaker 2>come across any form of conflict or any unfavorable conditions,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing to do is to go back to

786
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<v Speaker 2>my mind map and say, okay, where did we go wrong?

787
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<v Speaker 3>And then how can we then fix it?

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<v Speaker 2>So you know I told you that I'm speaking your

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<v Speaker 2>language today, I'm speaking business, your first and second love.

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<v Speaker 4>My love languages. This all my love languages. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, going back to I mean long drives and.

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<v Speaker 2>Cost management as well as cost correcting, right, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to find out man, I mean for me as as

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<v Speaker 2>we're having this conversation, I am a very visual person

795
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<v Speaker 2>and I like.

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<v Speaker 3>Building puzzles.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we're talking about business to business connection, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I related to a very good drive on my end.

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<v Speaker 2>And but when when we're talking about sustainability and longevity, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>in golf particularly, we we are talking about the partying

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the keeping and cheaping, the cheaping and

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<v Speaker 2>pitching right now on your end when when when we talk,

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<v Speaker 2>when we go back to the business fear, how how

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<v Speaker 2>do you then ensure that the B two B connections

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<v Speaker 2>that you create, uh health longevity or there is continuity

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00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 2>when it when it comes to the services that you

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<v Speaker 2>provide for those partnerships.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, let's try forward. So firstly, we abt the governance

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<v Speaker 4>scorecard because the guides what you do. Then we'll have

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<v Speaker 4>our periodic health checks. Everybody knows where we are, what

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<v Speaker 4>we're doing, were checking periodically, and then the dispute resolutions

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<v Speaker 4>integrated into our B two B agreements. And then this way,

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<v Speaker 4>even after the drive, even after the drive of the

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<v Speaker 4>daily struck, the short game on the partnership, which is

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<v Speaker 4>the continuity is still protected because then when you embed

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<v Speaker 4>all of these things, you are safe. So your short

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<v Speaker 4>game partnership, which is continuation, is protected because when your

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<v Speaker 4>governance got cards a year, when your periodic periodic health

819
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<v Speaker 4>checks are in place, when these dispute dispute resolutions are embedded,

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<v Speaker 4>and then no matter what happens in the deal, the

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<v Speaker 4>short on the partnership is protected. It's a framework. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's framework that you've done obviously it would be

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<v Speaker 3>based on research prior to engaging these entities and formulating

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<v Speaker 3>that connection.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you will do your research, You will do your

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<v Speaker 4>background checks, you will do all of those things, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know what they're looking for. And then the scorecards

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<v Speaker 4>will everything have to speak to the dealer hand. M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>Now speaking about the dealer hand, I mean, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very visual and i like building puzzles, and the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that I'm very good at is analyzing a

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<v Speaker 2>golf game. Although I'm a terrible golfer. I'm not the best.

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<v Speaker 2>For as long as I've been playing golf, I'm not

834
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<v Speaker 2>the best, but I'm very good when it comes to

835
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<v Speaker 2>analyzing the game as well as people's swings, except for

836
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<v Speaker 2>my own swing.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I just want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say something yet to say, you know, when you play golf,

839
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<v Speaker 2>obviously you can check the weather.

840
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<v Speaker 3>In the morning to say, okay, what's going to be happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Will it be sunny, will it be rainy, will they

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<v Speaker 2>be hel will there be a lot of wind, So

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<v Speaker 2>that you can prepare yourself mentally and obviously make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you take the.

845
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Right gear, and then you.

846
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Position your strategy barely to say how you're going to

847
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 2>approach the entire golf course. Now, the weather would obviously

848
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 2>change at certain points in time, and then you get

849
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.199
<v Speaker 2>to the golf course you find that perhaps the greens

850
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.039
<v Speaker 2>are still under maintenance, right, which then becomes a challenge

851
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 2>for you personally, because now you become handicapped due.

852
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.199
<v Speaker 3>To the weather or due to to.

853
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 2>The maintenance that's taking place. Your game gets disrupted. Now,

854
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 2>if we were to take that same concept and apply

855
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.039
<v Speaker 2>to a partnership agreement, I mean, with a partnership agreement,

856
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 2>two entities would then agree to say this is what

857
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 2>we agree upon.

858
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 3>These are at TEMs and conditions, and.

859
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Certain risks will be taken into consideration to say this

860
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 2>is how we're going to mitigate these risks. Now, when

861
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.639
<v Speaker 2>you draft that partnership, I just want to find out,

862
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 2>how do you then ensure that the partnership is in

863
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 2>such a way that it withstands all the challenges that

864
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>could ever come across the entire partnership as a whole,

865
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that the relationship continues forever or it

866
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.000
<v Speaker 2>remains effective over a long period of time.

867
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a very helpful question. But key way to

868
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:56.360
<v Speaker 4>my answer they is flexibility. I'll tell you why you

869
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 4>want to make you your stil flexible with pricing that

870
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 4>can be adjusted with exit options if things change and

871
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:10.519
<v Speaker 4>sustainability measures. That way, the partnership will will work, whether

872
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 4>in both in both good and bad times. You know

873
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:16.000
<v Speaker 4>whether things are good, the partnership will work. And when

874
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.639
<v Speaker 4>things are not going great, you go back and see

875
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 4>what needs to be adjusted right and then if you

876
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:27.599
<v Speaker 4>know exiting is a better option, that's also another option.

877
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 4>But you want you deal to be flexible, so that's

878
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.639
<v Speaker 4>when conditions change, you're able to actually make the decision

879
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 4>that is aligned with that current condition. You find yourself

880
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 4>in same way as and the the fillways. You know

881
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:43.519
<v Speaker 4>when you're playing the water might change or always if

882
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.480
<v Speaker 4>my umbrella, if it drains, I just pull it out.

883
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:48.559
<v Speaker 4>I don't melt. As long as there's no storm, the

884
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:52.639
<v Speaker 4>game proceeds. At the moment there's a storm, then it's dangerous.

885
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.199
<v Speaker 4>Then we have to exceit. You can't hit the club.

886
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 4>Same as in business flexibility.

887
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, I was actually going to ask you what

888
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 2>do you do in the golf course if there's if

889
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the weather changes, do you immediately escape when it starts

890
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 2>raining or do you continue playing up until Obviously, it

891
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 2>is advisable for you to get off the course when

892
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:21.719
<v Speaker 2>there's lightning, so I think you you've already play up

893
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:23.280
<v Speaker 2>until the bell rings.

894
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Out.

895
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, Now, If if you play like that,

896
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 2>then I think we should play around of golf. Although

897
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:37.159
<v Speaker 2>the weather the moment here and outing is quite unpredictable

898
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 2>because it's rainy season, so anytime it can rain. But

899
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.559
<v Speaker 2>as long as there's no lightning, I think will continue playing.

900
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 4>As long as there's no lightning, you know, the game continues.

901
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 4>M hm.

902
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Now Now, Now, like I said earlier, I'm still here

903
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 2>to ask you questions about your experience in golf. Obviously,

904
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I've already giving us a highlight of one of the

905
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.280
<v Speaker 2>most embarrassing moments you've encountered on the golf course. But

906
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I would really really like to get a gist of

907
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.679
<v Speaker 2>your highlights in the game itself. What were the higher

908
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>moments where you're like, yo, I enjoyed myself.

909
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh I did great here.

910
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know I do have some highlights guys, you know,

911
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 4>like last Friday, I played on a golf day. Okay,

912
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.559
<v Speaker 4>my handicap index is a bit high because my golf

913
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.039
<v Speaker 4>has been not that great it's currently twenty five point nine.

914
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 4>So when I was playing this golf day, I was

915
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 4>playing of daty one and on this particular golf day,

916
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 4>I was on fire. I shot ninety three. I was

917
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 4>and I had one patty. I had one patty and

918
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 4>it was difficult countries. It would ease. And then on

919
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 4>the first nine I shot forty eight and it was

920
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 4>only like what bugist bogies and then I blew one

921
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.480
<v Speaker 4>per five and triple bogie in one of four part

922
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:09.000
<v Speaker 4>and then bogie bog is forty eight done from home

923
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.440
<v Speaker 4>number ten it was bogie Brady and then yeah and

924
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 4>then bogie bogie is part and then triple bogie. Oh,

925
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:19.519
<v Speaker 4>double bogie because it was a part five. Then it

926
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 4>was four to five. I shot ninety three. I've never

927
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 4>made so many points. That was like the best game ever.

928
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 4>It's like the hairs. I was like, oh my god,

929
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 4>I need to repeat this.

930
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 3>I need to repeat this.

931
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 2>You've got to be very careful, right because now we

932
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>will start auditing your handicap.

933
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.199
<v Speaker 4>Stop. Wait, guys, I wanted to repeat this name, listen

934
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.280
<v Speaker 4>to this. Played this game on a Friday. I'm like,

935
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.760
<v Speaker 4>I need to repeat this. And then I've got a game.

936
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 4>How get to Halton. It's a nice tournament. I'm just

937
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.119
<v Speaker 4>coming in as a guest because I was not part

938
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:57.039
<v Speaker 4>of the tournament. From the beginning. Well, I got a

939
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 4>good football, good players too old you know, old people,

940
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 4>those ones above sixty and myself and my card partner,

941
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:06.920
<v Speaker 4>I think we're the same age group, and I'm not sure.

942
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:11.519
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, this day was not going as great as

943
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 4>the other day, but I was still number one on

944
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:17.079
<v Speaker 4>my football. So when we started, I was struggling. I

945
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 4>think it took me long to warm up. I think

946
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I blew like two holes in the beginning. Then after

947
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.599
<v Speaker 4>that it was per bogy bogy. Now the old people

948
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.639
<v Speaker 4>are like, okay, the more she plays, the better she gets.

949
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:34.119
<v Speaker 4>She's dealing with all of us. Yes, I love yeah,

950
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 4>because they were like, oh this girl, she's playing off

951
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 4>thirty one and now this that's asking me, oh, so

952
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 4>what do you do for a living? When are we

953
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 4>playing again? And I did win on that football. I

954
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:49.199
<v Speaker 4>finished five over. Yeah she was five over, but she

955
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 4>was still a win.

956
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Like I said to you, you have to be very careful.

957
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 3>We are going to audit that INDICAB by the end

958
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:01.639
<v Speaker 3>of this year. It will be way below to.

959
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 4>Know. I wish, you know, sometimes I play very so

960
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.880
<v Speaker 4>what happens. Sometimes I toy a lot and I play

961
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:13.480
<v Speaker 4>courses I'm not familiar with, and then you know, it's

962
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.880
<v Speaker 4>a combination of you know, golf and and fun and

963
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.800
<v Speaker 4>it's just a lot. And then then I don't play

964
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.639
<v Speaker 4>so great, and then I'm blowing or the time my

965
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.920
<v Speaker 4>handicap ends up being the way it is. But when

966
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.039
<v Speaker 4>I come back to my normal courses, home courses, familiar grounds,

967
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 4>then I play well. And then yeah, but anyway, let's

968
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 4>see how the adit goes by the end of the samber.

969
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, I believe that it would have improved drastically as

970
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.800
<v Speaker 2>long as you continue playing. And uh yeah, I mean

971
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to to a game with you. Please

972
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 2>do not do not what do they what do they

973
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:58.519
<v Speaker 2>say in English? Do not surpass the master? You know,

974
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I played the sport for Saul. But yeah, you would say,

975
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 2>you would say a different story when you play with me.

976
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm not chatting, yeah, but yeah, time too.

977
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 2>It's been It's been fantastic chatting to you, and I

978
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.519
<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed my time. I believe that our audience enjoyed

979
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 2>that time. Listening to you and thank you for actually

980
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:31.320
<v Speaker 2>enlightening us with your expertise knowledge in business to business

981
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>match making. I believe that all our audience have learned

982
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:41.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot about business to business matchmaking. And if there's

983
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:43.800
<v Speaker 2>anything that I would like to ask you, is this

984
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:49.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteenth November I of Africa Africa Summit Investments.

985
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:50.639
<v Speaker 3>There is ago of day.

986
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I hope you'll be coming through to join us and

987
00:59:57.159 --> 00:59:58.719
<v Speaker 2>have the best time of your life. I mean I

988
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 2>of Africa. It's actually I think it's one of the

989
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 2>long courses that we have here in Houting as well.

990
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 2>But it's a very beautiful golf course, so I look

991
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 2>forward to seeing you there. There will be a lot

992
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:20.360
<v Speaker 2>of businesses involved, or business people rather in that space,

993
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:24.719
<v Speaker 2>so I believe it will be an opportunity for you

994
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.639
<v Speaker 2>to actually do what you do best, which is.

995
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 3>BA to D match making.

996
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. No, absolutely, I'll be happy to be there. I'll

997
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.159
<v Speaker 4>look forward to reach I'm sure that it will be

998
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:41.760
<v Speaker 4>beneficial to actually here participating in a golf day.

999
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:44.239
<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent.

1000
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 2>So with that being said, Tandaga, let me love and

1001
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.480
<v Speaker 2>leave you. Please have yourself a beautiful evening and make

1002
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:55.239
<v Speaker 2>sure that you continue playing golf. One other thing, please

1003
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.920
<v Speaker 2>do not be embarrassed with those embarrassing moments in golf.

1004
01:00:59.280 --> 01:00:59.880
<v Speaker 3>It happens.

1005
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.679
<v Speaker 2>It's just normal for all the golf us to actually

1006
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>go through some form of embarrassment. So next time when

1007
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.039
<v Speaker 2>someone asks you what's your most embarrassing moment, just you know,

1008
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.199
<v Speaker 2>just make fun of it and say, you know what,

1009
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I had a hole in one. There's nothing more embarrassing

1010
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:23.320
<v Speaker 2>than that awesome stuff. Now, it's been great having you,

1011
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.559
<v Speaker 2>so thank you so much. Right, ladies and gentlemen, this

1012
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.039
<v Speaker 2>is the end of our show. Is the one and

1013
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.400
<v Speaker 2>only Tony two. Make sure that you tune in every

1014
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 2>single Wednesday, Bows and Ties. As I said, we are

1015
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:40.480
<v Speaker 2>available on Spotify, Amazon, and on our own platform www

1016
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:45.119
<v Speaker 2>dot Bosantis, dot golf. All the episodes are there and listen.

1017
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:48.079
<v Speaker 2>I am so happy to be back to be on

1018
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.719
<v Speaker 2>your airwaves. Please please, please please engage with us on

1019
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.800
<v Speaker 2>our social media and make sure that you raise your

1020
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:57.599
<v Speaker 2>hand to be on our show.

1021
01:01:57.719 --> 01:01:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Out love to check to you. Yes you do.

1022
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't even look sideways or ask yourself questions. I'm talking

1023
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:05.400
<v Speaker 2>to you. I'm looking forward to having a chat with

1024
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.159
<v Speaker 2>you and having you on our show to make sure

1025
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.480
<v Speaker 2>that we understand what's happening in your world. With that

1026
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.559
<v Speaker 2>being said, ladies and gentlemen, it is a Wednesday evening,

1027
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and like I always say, the weekends starts today. For

1028
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:22.280
<v Speaker 2>those who are waking on Thursday, good luck. And for

1029
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.960
<v Speaker 2>those who are waking on Friday, please come and consult

1030
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:28.079
<v Speaker 2>with me. I'll teach you how to start your weekend

1031
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 2>on a Wednesday. Have a great evening, then we'll chat

1032
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:31.920
<v Speaker 2>later