Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome back to the show. My name
is Adam.
Speaker 2: I'll be your host here on Hobby Hotline. This is
episode two twenty three. I'm here with Orlando and I'm
also here with Uncle Rich Kline. Start with you, Orlando.
How's your week been going.
Speaker 3: It's great, Adam, Good to be with you guys, and
good to be Rich. Yeah, it's good. Good week. Busy
week with the with the election going on, and we
had the election for Hobby President from Sportscard Radio. Yeah,
we're gonna talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll start. We'll start out with that and then
I'll start. We'll go to you first, Rich. How is
How is your week?
Speaker 1: What you got going on was fine?
Speaker 4: I have no cards at home. I sold out again.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, I can't do hobby showing.
Speaker 4: Tell I keep telling I had nice and I actually
told out without that pesky little detail of having a
table nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you. Love when that happens. Love when
you can get the inventory back in.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the fun parts about cards,
is the buying of the cards. I mean, so like
with you're in a position where you're selling all of them,
you know, now you get to go buy and that's
kind of that's one of the fun parts.
Speaker 4: And I'm pretty good at that. Nobody bottom feed. Nobody
bottom feeds better than I do.
Speaker 3: Well maybe doctor Beckett.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah he is.
Speaker 4: Yes, he is a little more. He is a little
more uh money than I do. So yeah he can
boydom feed even better.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So over this past week, here's when we got the
first topic we had. Sports Card Radio did like a
sports card hobby election and we had two winners here.
I mean, I know, Orlando, you were talking about this
a little bit before the show, So I'll let you
kind of get into it. I'll flip flop between the two.
We had the hobby winner and then the the hobby
first lady, which is also you can probably tell who
that might because she's already on the screen here, but
I'll let you kind of get into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just a fun thing that sports Card
Radio decided to go along with the presidential election. They
decided to go ahead and do a sports card YouTube
hobby president So you know, they put up they nominated
a whole bunch of people in there that you could
see the top eight that were there, and there were
a few more on there, and they did it for
like a month and they would ended right when the
election ended, and they did like you see the Hobby President,
Hobby First Lady, So Alex who worked for Golden and
doing the uh the show's uh you know on on Netflix,
she was the Hobby First Lady and uh and Manginie
ended up winning the Hobby President and it was great
to see a collector like John win it, you know,
over people like you know, the sportscard Dad or Jeff
Wilson and yeah, Bryan Gray was in the company. They're
Bojo Sports. We are really more flippers type thing, so
it was kind of good to see collected there. And
then John actually did a challenge for everyone this week.
Anybody who does YouTube it wants to put out a video.
He wants any ideas on how we can grow the
hobby through collectors, mainly any ideas versus you know, the
flipping type thing, so uh tenext to hobby but doing
it for so that was his idea. I just thought
it was a fun thing to do. And it's kind
of interesting that I think John probably has one of
the fewest UH subscriber based but the more most friends, I.
Speaker 5: Would get yeah, right right makes YouTube.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean that's like that's one of the
I think that's one of the biggest changes within sports cards,
is like the social media aspect to it, because you know,
years ago all these you know, you had people you
probably saw at shows, but then you leave the show
and you never you didn't hear about you didn't hear
from him until maybe the next show. But you know,
now with so much online content, you know somebody who
again only you said, only has like three which now I'm.
Speaker 3: Sure thirty eight or something like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm sure I'm sure subscribers
have probably gone up since winning this. I mean that's
you know, uh, sports car Radio with thirty thirty k
and I know they have a pretty lively audience. Let's
just I could I think that's probably one way to
describe the chat. I'm sure that they probably you know,
went and subscribed, I would hope.
Speaker 3: So quite a bit of vote you could see I
think it was twenty eight thousand, oh yeah, yeah, right here,
so that's quite a few people that participating in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And.
Speaker 3: I guess the first lady got fourteen thousand votes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, And I mean that's kind of
one of the cool things about social media and cars nowadays.
Like I was just saying, like you can get people
together like that to vote on something cool that you know,
people are having a good time, they're you know, voting
for stuff like that. It's all cool to see within
the sports card industry. I guess we will transition to
maybe a not so cool story. In February of this year,
there was a Wayne Gretzky case that sold through Heritage
Auctions for three point seven million dollars and the collector,
or not the collector, the person who bought it, didn't
pay the tab and now it's unfortunately going back up.
So you know, Rich, I'll kick it to you first.
What were kind of your initial thoughts when you saw
this story.
Speaker 4: I was just as these kids nowadays say. I was smh,
shaping my head. This is like the grepiest story I've
heard in a long time. If you're going to bed
three point seven million on something, don't you think somebody
should have checked to make sure you had the money,
or don't you think you should have had the money
in escrow ready? If you're going to split let's say
it's a twenty box case and each box is two
hundred K or whatever, and you get and you get
everybody to pay you in advance, and you just put
that money away and you just send send the money
to Heritage at that point and you say, okay, I've
got my money. Everybody's going to get their boxes and
we move on. It's just so goofy. This this is
like missing missing things on every single level. I mean,
I don't know the Canadian exchange anymore. Was he bidding
in Canadian dollars, which is not a yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot, there's I mean, there's so
many questions. It's really pretty wild.
Speaker 4: It's just goofy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, my understanding is that he was kind of
like an investor or something like that and not really
as knowledgeable in the sports car business as he should
have been, and again from canad from Canada, so obviously
probably paid more than than that, you know. But I
think what he was trying to do, and I heard
that when he when he ended up buying the case,
he was trying to either resell it or like like
Rich said, box it out and try to get money.
But I think he knows this that there was no
way he was even going to get his return back
on his investment. So I think that's where he kind
of gave up. And I also heard that he did
have that he did give some deposit or something down
and he probably lost that. I don't remember how much.
Somebody in the chat may know, but yeah, I did.
I do think that. I remember reading somewhere that he
had to send him some portion of the money, you know,
right after that, and then he promised to pay there
it is. Yeah, yeah, that's what he tried to do,
tried to flip it, and he was unable to and
after all this time, he finally just gave up on it.
And obviously he must have lost his deposit or lost
whatever money he had put. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was unfortunate, and I mean, you know, I
talked about this on Hobby News Daily the podcast, and
then I also wrote a little bit for it for
s I and it just didn't like looking into the
story and reading the article on the Athletic, it just
was like there were it seemed like there were a
lot of red flags along the way, But at the
same time, it's like it it could have just been
this guy was just stringing them along. I mean, it's
really just it's unfortunate that it had to happen with
what what is and probably will only be the it'll
be the only case, like you know, it's yeah, I
think two with these, with these one of a kind items,
it's like it almost adds to the story, I guess,
which I mean, I don't really necessarily think that the
Oh so maybe actually maybe this was maybe this explains it.
So maybe it was a three million dollars. Maybe the
deposit was seven hundred and twenty thousand potentially maybe, and
then the three million dollars on the tab is what
it says here, so maybe that's potentially what it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know exactly, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it says the initial buyer said he paid three
million of the tab.
Speaker 2: No, it's like seven seven hundred, seven hundred thousand, probably
because like that's if I'm I'm and I'm justind of
piecing these two numbers together here, So I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, yeah, you know, he he, I know, he
paid a deposit, so he put some money out there
and he lost it. And I think it was just
a gamble this guy took and just when you have
a product like that, which is a one of a kind,
the only one that exists like that, where there is
no comp so people are going to bid what they
feel it's worth. But obviously the collectors knew that it
wasn't worth that much, and this guy just kind of
went all out for it. And you know, and when
you have an item like that, sometimes it does work
out because it's the only one you had, the only
one that exists, and it could be worth what you want,
but you know, it could also take a few years
for get to get to that point where it will
sell for more than the what you paid for it.
I just think that, you know, some things like that,
you have to be careful with one of the kind
items because you just never know, you know, you may
be the only one that has that desire to pay
that much money for it, right.
Speaker 2: And I think the seventies Card Show had a comment
here that, yeah, so it's the case was because when
Baseball Card Exchange, who I believe is who wrapped the case,
they open all the They opened the product to make
sure everything is in there, so it gets it's not
it is open technically, but it's not. They rewrap it basically,
So like that's to answer that question, and because I
saw that in the chat and I.
Speaker 1: Thought that was important to make.
Speaker 2: The right Yeah, I mean, especially especially after that huge G. I.
Joe issue that they had, and you know in the
article they wrote that they could see that it probably.
Speaker 1: They could see that. Sorry, I lost my train of thought.
Speaker 3: The owner had put a hole in a little hole
in the box to see in it. I think that's
what it was, to make sure that the boxes were
in there.
Speaker 1: But he in the case itself, you're saying, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: He kind of opened a little hole to look inside
and see if the boxes were in there, but it
wasn't completely open until authenticator got it right.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, And I remember what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: In the article they were talking about how they think
that it probably will still sell in the same range.
But I'm a little bit skeptical, if I'm gonna be
completely honest, Rich, what do you think or where do
you think this ends up selling. Do you think it
gets back up to the three point seven or do
you think it's not really or do you think it's
not worth three point seven? I mean that three point
seven million dollars is a lot, But like, what do
you think I have?
Speaker 4: You know, and I'm gonna say this, I have no
idea at this point. I mean, this is so goofy.
And the question is if you think it's one of
a kind. But if the box, but if the case
is open, then it's no longer an unopen case. And
so what do you do then? If the case it's
not a pure unopened case anymore? So if all the
boxes are done, you don't have another open cases. So
you're really trying to buy each box, And then what
are the boxes worth? And you multiply it by whatever,
and you say, okay, and if the box is worth
X thousand times twenty, well then that if that's more
than three point seven, you get it. If it's less
than you don't, right. And it's not like the T
tool six Wagner the Kendrick in Arizona owns that had
a book written about it. Now, if this ever has
a book written about it, then the prices goes up
to the sky. This is not that type of a story.
It's not going to have a book written about it,
so it's not going to have quite the same cachet
as the Wagner in the Stamp World, the British Guiana
one cent card stand from eighteen fifty six, which is
unique and has had probably a book written about it
as well. This will have stories written about it, but
there won't be a book. Where are you going to
trace the book from?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: It doesn't have quite the same backstory. So then it
just becomes a matter of is it what is the
level it's really worth buying it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I was just gonna
I was gonna ask another question to the group here.
Speaker 1: But you can finish over your thought there, Richard.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I want you to finish, Okay.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I was gonna ask you
both would So if you were to hypothetically buy this,
do you think that you would open the boxes and
get the cards graded? Or are you keeping it like shot?
Speaker 4: I'm selling a pack by pack. I mean, everybody gets
a shot at it. I'm selling it by the packs.
We know that, we know the boxes were authenticated. So
I said, look, this came from. Here's where I'm getting
the case from. I'm selling you a pack. I'm not
opening them. I'm not doing anything. They're all sealed, they're
all put you can pay me for each pack. And
that's how I would do it, just to spread it out,
make it accessible to more people. I mean, if I
really wanted to have it fun and be we'll say
John Mangini like and collector like, give everybody who can
and granted it's going to be expensive and out of
a lot of collectors' budgets anyway, even for a pack.
Or you could do what like vintage what they call
vintage breaks now did at the National few years ago
with the fifty five Bowman pack, sell slats in each pack,
and there was a guy who got a mantle out
of one of the fifty five Bowman packs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: You know, you know that, you know it's good. And
you do it at a National and you get the
cards sent right over to PSA or SGC or Beckett
or CGC. You know, you get it to one of
the major raiders and say there it is. You saw
I was just opened. Granted, whatever it costs done and
the persons were probably very happy. I mean, so there
are certain things you can do to make this fun,
but that's only if I have the X million I need.
Speaker 2: Five right, yeah, right, exactly, Yes, the same question to you, Orlando,
would you.
Speaker 3: I'd have to agree with with Rich on that, you know,
because you know what there are those boxes are available
out there. You know, you can buy a box of
those out there. So once this case now has been opened,
it's just some wax boxes in a cardboard box, you know,
so the cardboard box a million. I would do what
rich says, I just go ahead and sell either buy
the box or by packs, but personally I would not
open them. Yeah, the chances to get the gretz Kis
are really and to get one on a high grade,
you know, those cars are all off centered and stuff.
For the most part, you're not going to get a
probably a nine or ten out of them. You may
get one right closely, there's I think twenty five gret
Skis or twenty six twenty somebody estimated a twenty five
Gretzky twenty six gretz Kis in that case, you know,
and out of that, you know you may only get
two or three that could possibly be a nined, you know.
So it's a big risk. But I but I do
like the idea of just taking a chance and opening
a pack and hopefully getting it out of it, because
you know, there's gonna be one at least in that box.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like like you guys were saying, it's
the house always wins here, Like, if you're the one
selling the thing, you're probably gonna do better than if
you open all the boxes and try and get all
the cards graded, especially with this product, because like the
Opeach is notorious for having the like the rigid edges,
because of the way that it was cut with a wire,
and because it was made in Canada versus made in
the United States. I mean, I think that the story
behind the difference in the tops versus Opeach is very
interesting to me. And then somebody said about twenty six
gretz skis, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I agree with Mookie. It's not worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah No, I mean, and then like you said, the
house always wins. So it's like if you're the ones,
if you're the ones selling, it's probably you're probably gonna
have a better chance of making at least some of
your money back versus opening everything up and getting everything grated.
Because I mean, off the top of my head, I
don't really I mean, I only know about Gretzky in
this case, but so I don't even know who the
other players really would be in this product that are,
But again that's just me not exactly knowing hockey as
much as I know maybe other sports. But I mean,
the Gretzky is obviously what you're shooting for there, right.
Speaker 4: Well, there's not a couple of fun cards in the set,
they're not super expensive, but you also have the last
cards of both Bobby Hull and as a player, both
Bobby Hull and Gordy App.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, there are.
Speaker 4: Some cool cards, but Gretzky is so far above everybody else.
I mean, he always was as a player, right, But
you know, in this set, there's I mean there's no
Mark Messier, there's no Yai Curry, there, there's no there's
nobody else who's really even a you know, a Hall
of Fame or close sect. And I think Raymond bark
is the next year two. So the guys who were
in that era all come a year or two later,
which is why he's so far above in all levels,
including the rookies in the set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because even I just went to card Loader real
quick and I looked up nineteen seventy nine OPAG and
like the first one hundred are all basically Gretzky, Like,
I'm not even seeing anybody else in this set that
really would you know. It's not like the uh, it's
not like the eighty six Fleeer set where you have like,
you know a ton of other players. I mean, I
guess you do, because I mean when you said the
name's rich, I did know those names, So, like, you know,
maybe you do have a chance. But it's like if
you're looking at a you know, PSA nine or a
PSA ten, which the PSA ten, I believe that there's
only three. No, there's only two PSA ten, So I
don't know the chances like this would probably be the
only shot that you could get another PSA ten because
of how rare the boxes and the cases are, So
you know, either way, I think it's gonna be it's
gonna be a tough, a tough flip if you're trying
to open anything versus just buying anything. So we're actually
gonna move on here to some big announcements that came
out of the National coming up in July, which I mean,
I guess it's November, so we still have some time there,
but we're gonna switch over we've got. There's some expansion
for the National, which I think is really cool. I mean,
we saw in twenty twenty, the last time it was
in Chicago, they opened up the whole floor basically, so
they opened up the whole they opened up a whole
nother section, which that whole other section was kind of
like the Breakers Pavilion, which I would still expect is
probably going to be pretty popular here. So I mean, Orlando,
I'll kick it to you first. What were your thoughts
when he saw the expansion here for the National?
Speaker 3: I think it's great. I think we need as many
dealers as we can in there now. When I first
looked at it, I thought it was seventy five dealers,
but it's seventy five tables, So maybe Rich can talk
a little bit more about that. But it's always great
to have more dealers. We'll just have to see, you know,
who are the other dealers that came in in the
last moment there. But I think all of those spots,
of course, are all taken by now.
Speaker 4: Well. My questions are more how much do they cost?
They're very specific in calling these tables. How much do
these costs compared to a booth? How are they located.
I know the main room is well secured. Are these
going to be well secured or do you have to
kind of really protect your stuff and take your stuff
home at night. You know, we've seen at shows some
of the robberies, and I'd be very concerned about how
the security works. You know, I'd also be concerned about
the price point. I'm also concerned about how am I
going and get enough people to see me? Am I
going to be treated when I'm going to use this
in parentheses? Is it going to be like a second
class situation where you're sort of like a second thought
or is it going to be that people have to
see you almost as if you're going to the main room.
You know, there's a lot of questions. I'm glad we're
doing more tables, don't get me wrong, but how how
is this going to be implemented is a key part
of it, and that's not quite explained, and I think
that's something that should be explained in a follow up post.
It's a great start, but if you know, I'm speaking
now as a vendor, I know what it's like. I
used to run a show where I have what we're
gonna call it a side room and I had X
tables in the main room, and then you could see
the other people, but you kind of had to pay
attention to know they were there. So if I had
a player signing, or if JSA was at the show,
I make sure they went into the separate room. And
the reason they went into the room where you could
see it, but it wasn't as as considered the main
room was people would come to see those people, so
I could make I could put them in there. Is
it that type of a situation. Again, these are questions
I have. This is not saying it's bad. I just
want to make sure these questions get answered. If I
were to have a table, those are questions I would ask.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point, Rich, You're usually uh, they'll go ahead
and put the dealer map on the website, and they
may I don't know, I've looked it up, but they
may even show where those additional tables were added, you know,
But like Rich, you know, I hope they didn't stick
them somewhere a little corner, somewhere lost where they don't
get seen anymore, you know, Hopefully they put them somewhere
in the main area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like last year at the National,
they they had issues where people were like they are
in they have the sign up where they were like
no dealing in the lunch area, and then they like
somebody took a video and they panned and everybody was
just doing deals, and it's just like, I think adding
more tables is very smart.
Speaker 1: I think adding more space for the National.
Speaker 2: Is always I think, in my opinion, especially in Chicago,
like Chicago, I think is in my opinion, I would
hope that they would keep it in Chicago because I
think Chicago is the easiest for everybody to get to.
I think it's the best location. I'm just I'm a fan,
you know. I also like Chicago a lot, so I'm
a fan there. I think Matt city Brew had an
interesting conversation, an interesting question here. Just have two Nationals,
one for vintage and collectibles and then one for modern
and shooting a basketball throwing, which I'm assuming that's probably
referencing the Fanatics Fest. So yeah, I mean I think
that would be interesting. I mean I know that Rich
you probably have a little bit more knowledge here about
about show like setting up for shows and stuff along
those lines. So like from your perspective, like do you
like what Fanatics Fest did where it really was more
focused on almost a the atmosphere and the vibes, and
then the National was really just for selling cards, I guess.
But what did you kind of think of that specific?
Like it did feel like there was a specific split
down the middle of what was going to happen at
each show.
Speaker 1: What did you think of that?
Speaker 4: Well, I was obviously not a Fanatics Fest, so have
I can only know from what I saw from reading
legitimate posts on the subject. And almost all dealers, with
the exception of a small group against the back wall,
which will be fixed for the next time they have
a fanatics Fest. You know it is you are learning
on the fly. Almost every dealer did well to very well,
despite how much it costs for the tables. Despite all that,
they still did well. There were so many people there,
so it's a different type of show. You're not going
to go dime box hunting.
Speaker 5: At Fanatics Fest, right, right, right?
Speaker 4: I would love to, But I can go dime box
hunting or quarterbox hunting or dollar box hunting. We call
value box hunting at the Dallas Cards Show to my heart's.
Speaker 5: Content, And that's okay, right right, And.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to do that fanatics pest.
But fanatics best is in New York City. New York
City is a very untapped market, believe it or not
for people attending shows for the simple reason if you
live in the city, it's kind of hard sometimes to
get to even white planes. You can take the train
of white planes. You have to know to do that,
but you may not take the train of white planes,
but you may take the subway to the Datt Center.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So you've got a lot of people. You've got a
lot of people who collect in the city that be
thrilled to have shows in the city. Way back in
the day in the seventies, we had great shows in
New York cities in the seventies. That was where it
actually began. You know, for a lot of us in
the East Coast, we would actually have to trek into
the city to go to shows. And then my friends started,
my friends Tom Reid who's no longer with us, and
Bill Jakob, which is a great follow on Facebook. They
started a show at Montclair State College in New Jersey
that was a monster show and I'd saved my money
for that each year. That was a great show twice
a year, and I set up at that show and
we went from there. But New York City was always
a good place for a show back in the day.
It's a good place now. You know, shows in the
city have tricks, but New York City just has so
much of a populace.
Speaker 2: Even right right, totally yeah, and I mean I guess
you could if you're going to a Fanatics faster or
a show that's in the city, you could. It would
be expensive to stay in the city, but you could
stay in the city if you want. But with the Subway,
the New York the New York Transit, it's like it's
fairly easy to get in there. Like if you want
to stay somewhere in like New Jersey, or you want
to stay like not in the city where I mean,
I guess Chicago, you are pretty much staying at the
venue like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Chicago.
Speaker 4: You can take the train and it's about a quarter
mile walk to those Stevens Convention Center, so you're actual
and a lot of dealers I know, or back in
the day, we parked in the MTA lot the Chicago
because it was cheaper than parking and you could do yeah,
so you can take the train to the National and
rosemant as well. You can also fly in. You're absolutely right,
and I should let Orlando speak, so, but I agree
with you, and that's one reason the next three Nationals
will all be in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I'm I mean, I'm a fan of that,
and so you know, Orlando, I'll ask you this question.
I saw in the chat a couple of people were
talking about it. Do you think that there should be
more of a distinction between vintage and modern when it
comes to shows or do you think having them together
is the ideal way to do it or you think
they should s put it up?
Speaker 3: Well, No, I like it together. I mean I want
to go to a show where you can mingle with
all types of collectors, you know. I mean there's modern
and there's people that collect modern ad vintage. So I
do like to see it, you know, all together. I mean,
it'd be nice if they could kind of divide it
up and have like a vintage side, you know. Now.
I like what they did in Cleveland. It was kind
of that way. You had the vintage part of it,
a little bit of modern, but and then you had
all the breakers and all the other stuff on the
other side. So I kind of liked the way that
was set up. And as far as Chicago, I wish
that it would stay in Chicago. I think it's the
best place for everybody. It's so convenient. All the hotels
are there, you know, you can go everywhere. They have
trade nights everywhere and all the different hotels, everything within
walking distance. And for somebody that comes in from out
of town, I think that's the easiest way. You know,
I don't have to uber, I don't have to look
for rides. So I wish that it would stay in Chicago.
I'm glad it's going to be there for the next
three years. As far as the fan fest, you know,
it's a different show than the National It's more of
a comic con type thing, you know, it's more for
sports fans with cards, right right, you know. I was
I could see the one in Orlando the unfortunately they
canceled it. I was ready to go there. I had
my plans set up to see They said that was
going to be a little more of a card show,
but it was still going to have that sports end
of it, so I wanted to see that. Unfortunately, you
know that didn't come about. Now I heard and I
don't know, but I've heard rumors that Fanatics is trying
to buy out some of the bigger card shows and
maybe that's a way for them to kind of get
in there on an established show, yea, because my understanding was,
you know, I know they blamed it on the hurricane,
but I don't really think they had sold out everything.
And that's just you know, rumors that they weren't completely
prepared for the show, and you know, maybe they're looking
to buy buy out other shows. I mean, you know,
I don't know the Dallas Card Show or some like that.
You know, yeah, buy that out. I think that'd be
a huge win for Fanatics and they could make that
even bigger than it is now.
Speaker 2: And you know I think that, Yeah, that's what I
was gonna say. I was gonna ask Rich. Actually, this
is this question, like do you think it's good for
the industry to have a bunch of different shows ran
by a bunch of different like companies I guess, or
you know, entities or like for you, I mean, you're
right next to the Dallas Card Show, so I'm you're
you're going there and you're seeing how that show is
run versus like the National being a totally different show,
versus Fanatics vest being a totally different show, versus you know,
there's a they did, like the Fenway show, like that's
you know, that was one that I went to, probably
in like April or May of this year. So like,
do you think that it's you think that's the way
that it should be, or do you think it would
make sense to consolidate and have.
Speaker 1: A I don't know, a company like Fanatics.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know a lot of people will probably
say no, they don't want Fanatics buying something like the
Dallas Card Show, But like, do you think the consolidation
would be a good idea?
Speaker 1: So that way, I don't know what do you think
of that?
Speaker 4: I guess maybe I'm gonna and I don't remember the
number of the episode, but doctor Beckett and I talked
about that on one.
Speaker 1: Of his podcasts, Oh okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: And so we've actually talked about that, and I don't
exactly remember exactly what I said. So I apologize to
the people in the chat, but I mean, I will
tell you and this is what I this is what
prompted it forty years ago because I'm old, not as old,
not as old as anybody else, but I'm old. You know,
I'm older than everybody else here, even older than Orlando
that forty years ago Crousey ran into trouble when they
wanted to They actually put a bid in for I
think the eighty five National Milwaukee, and we were all
screaming at the time about conflict of interest. Uh yeah, uh.
Nowadays you wouldn't even bad and eye I know my
friends Franken, Vivian Barney. It wasn't a great bid, but
they put in a bid for the ninety one National
in San Diego. I would have loved to have gone
to San Diego, just to go to San Diego. Yes,
I've actually been. I got there finally on a show trick.
But I mean, because I know it's so beautiful. But
we used to scream about conflict of interest. Now we
talk about it a synergy. Is it good, is it bad?
I don't know, but it's there and we don't look
at it quite the same way as we did forty
years ago. And that I know, I'm comfortable in.
Speaker 1: Saying yeah, right.
Speaker 2: And so Mike had an interesting comment that he wouldn't
go to anything fanatics related, but he's.
Speaker 1: In the minority.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like he might not be. I mean,
I don't know. I mean, I think the criticism has
been very prominent, I think for fanatics really leading up
to in this first couple of years. I mean, I
guess it'll be interesting to see what happens when they
switch over the licenses, to see if that makes any difference,
like with their hobby strategy.
Speaker 1: I guess, but I think, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think keeping the shows, on one hand, I could
I see both ways. On one hand, I would like
to keep the show separate, so that way it's just keeps,
you know, a different feel and a different look to
each of the card shows. But I think also maybe
there's a little bit of consolidation might be decent for
you know, to increase maybe budget on some of the shows.
But at the same time, it's like, I don't know,
you know, who really knows one way or the other
if consolidation would really work, I guess. And let's see
if we've gotten any comments here. We got foul Ball
said I would go to the National when they go
nationally and come to the West, the West coast. Yeah,
so like a West Coast Show. You know, I think
what that would be the the Burbank Show.
Speaker 1: Would that be considered the West Coast show? Probably?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean that's pretty impressive that, like Burbank
Sports Cards is able to put together a show of
that magnitude that a lot of people travel out to.
And then we got uh, is the Dallas Card Show
the right show for fanatics to buy?
Speaker 1: I mean it's maybe, I don't know rich.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, the biggest show in the Southwest.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's the biggest show for thousands of miles, and
you know, I don't know what you would call the radius,
but it's the biggest show for thousands of miles. So yeah,
it would be a very good show. And they've been
to the Dallas Card Show. Fanatics has been to the
Dallas Card Show, so they are well aware of all
the pros and cons thereof of.
Speaker 1: The show, right exactly.
Speaker 2: Let's see, So we're gonna move on here.
Speaker 3: As are good, you know what I mean? You get
different types of people into the hobby, and that's the key,
whether it's the new collector or the better collector. He
used to have a good show. A lot of attendance
and you know, a lot of fun at the show.
So I do like what Fanatics is doing, you know,
even though of course I'm more of a vintage guy, right.
Speaker 4: You know, I can speak because my synagogue show that
I run for my synagogue's brotherhood is now a twenty
table show. It used to be a forty five table
show with more of what today would be a Pelican
case show. But now I've because the facility is smaller
that we use. Now I've reduced it to a twenty
It's a twenty table show. And I have a bunch
of people who do the show that are that I'm
going to use the word collector dealers. They do one
or two shows a year, usually mine, and a lot
of times they'll sell stuff to them to each other
and it's like trading within each other and it's a
fun show. And I try to have one or two
more I don't want to use serious dealers, but I
like having one or two more serious dealers and the
rest I actually prefer that they're collector based dealers. And
it pays off that everybody has a good time. It
is not the show for a lot of people. And
I tell you, if you're a Pelican case guy and
you want graded cards, don't come and they then I
actually tell people don't come if you're looking for Patrick Mahomes,
RPAS and ps A nine or yes, nice, I tell
people don't come for that. You might mind one, but
that's not why you want to come. I want to
come and have a good time and have a relaxed atmosphere.
Then come to my show and you'll enjoy it. The
Dallas Card Show the main room and even some of
the Starlight Room is like that. But there's also a
lot of people in the Starlight Room, and that I
call it the Focation Room, the Friends of Kyle's Room,
where a lot of us who have been in the
Starlight Room were the people who used to do Kyle's
Show at the Hilton Garden in before it kind of expanded.
So it's got kind of the old school flare in
the Starlight Room.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the Dalla's Cards Show has something for almost everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They also have an arrangement with GTSM, and GTSM has
brought in really star power in the autographs. They had
Dennis Rodman and Bo Jackson at the show last week.
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, Yeah, and so I.
Speaker 4: Mean the crowds for them were out were amazing, drawing people.
They're drawing more people. Some people just come for the autographs,
some come from the new cards, some come for the
old cards, and some like me, come for the value boxes.
Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I think ultimately, I hope that they can
just create shows that, like you said, that has a
has something for everybody. I think ultimately that's what I
consider a good show. Like, I mean, for me, I'm
not necessarily if I'm going to the National, I'm not
necessarily buying a ton. So like maybe my idea of
what a good show is isn't necessarily the same as
you Rich or you Orlando in it.
Speaker 1: I think it's just it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's maybe just like a microcosm for sports cards in general,
Like there's so many different ways to do cards. There's
so's the same way that there's so many different ways
to do shows. And it's like, you know, somebody might
like that there's not as much dealing, wheeling and dealing
at the Fanatics show, But then some people might like
go to your the show that you were just talking about, Rich,
and they might like, like to find the you know,
the the the non Patrick Mahomes r pas, like the
kind of the maybe not harder to find necessarily, but
like cards that are not like not everybody doesn't have them,
you know, like there for example, like you might not
be able to find a Wayne Gretzky PSA ten, but
maybe you'll be able to find like the Bobby Hall
PSA ten or somebody else from that set. Like it's
there's so many different ways to do it. I think
ultimately that's I hope that they continue to do that.
I hope that I hope that it doesn't on like
I said, and I see it on both sides. I
hope on one hand it doesn't become too much too
much the same stuff, But at the same time, it's
like who knows, who knows what would be better?
Speaker 1: On who what wouldn't be better?
Speaker 3: Well, the big advantage that fanatics has is the the athletes.
I mean, they have virtually almost all the athletes on contract,
you know, and when you can bring Brady in or
Gronkin and stuff like that, these shows, I mean that
really really gets you know, not just the regular card guys,
but it brings just sports fans in general. And you know,
that's what Fanatics brings to the table. I think it's
great to get that kind of excitement, you know, but
you know, they also need to cater to US collectors,
you know, and like Rick says, bring those bargain boxes,
you know, because Fanatics shows, they're not gonna have bargain boxes.
So I think they need to they need to adapt
a little bit. But us older collectors also need to
kind of adapt and realize that that is going to
be the future. Now. These guys are the monopoly they own.
They're gonna own it all, and you know, we just
need to make sure that US collectors are included in
those shows the same way as the regular young sports
guys are bringing in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: We all guys still have money.
Speaker 3: Yeah we do, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: And Orlando just did a great show about I believe
what was sixty eight Tops Games cards? You just did?
Speaker 3: Yes, I did, that's right.
Speaker 4: I love you know. I collected that set because they
were in the third series of sixty eight, the first
series I ever collected as a kid, So I'm a
lot of familiarity with that, but I didn't know for
years you could order those directly from tops eventually. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could order those box sets, but they're very
I don't think i've seen the actual box set with
the box neither of.
Speaker 4: Which is what's so amazing, but you could order it,
so I'd love to see the box.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny. But you know, those are
the type of cards that you know, I talked about
that the young collectors, if they want to get into vintage,
you could buy that mantle for fifty bucks and great
way to get into vintage. And that's why I what
I'm trying to do is get some of these younger
collectors or so some of them say, oh it's too expensive,
I can't buy a Willie Mays or a rovertical mandink. Yeah,
you can get that Willie Mays card for fifteen to
twenty bucks, you know. So that was one of the
things I wanted to open the eyes for people, and
that's kind of what I try to do in my channel,
just kind of share with everybody that, hey, you know,
vintage is for everybody, not just you've got to have
money to get a Ty Cobb card or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, Well.
Speaker 4: One of the things with people like Ty Cobb is
Eventually the numbers went out, and the guys with the
numbers are what people look at. But for people like
you and me who grew up with these people. Yeah,
when our friend Bo yesterday does his name the player
and he has the sixty eight tops game Rick Monday card, Yeah,
that's a card you can find in a quarterbox for
dollar boxing exactly. Monday's an American hero for what he
did with the flag. You get a really inexpensive card
from the six these of a guy that you know
every year you're gonna see the highlight of him grabbing
the live from the people trying to burn it out.
Speaker 5: You know, it's a pet that's less than the dollar
right exactly.
Speaker 2: And you know too, like if you're going to a
show like you were explaining Richer and any of the
shows that aren't like a Fanatics Best show, you're gonna
be able to find cards like that probably where at
Fanatics Fest it's like more of the mainstream stuff. So
I think ultimately, ultimately I hope that every show can
kind of cater to whoever is trying to go. I
think ultimately that's where that's kind of my stance on
the show, is how I would want how I would
want them to rerun, I guess is one way to
put it.
Speaker 3: Now, they rescheduled the show in Orlando supposedly for next
year early next year, February or something. You're saying. They
haven't given a specific date. But we'll see what happens
with that, because really the only one they've done, I
guess is the New York one. So I'm still waiting
to see what, you know, what, what's the next one
going to be like? Is it going to be as big?
Is it going to be as popular? So we'll see
what happens when that comes around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think if Fanatics does it right, and
this is this is a personal opinion. There are certain
shows that should be fanatics Fests and certain shows that
should be card show fests, so to speak. Not every show,
not every place should be Fanatics Fest. Orlando could be
a Fanatics Fest because come the you know, the cooler weather.
People want to go to Florida anyway, there's for many
years the Big Coin Show is the fun Show that
Florida United or whatever they call it, but they call.
Speaker 3: It the Fun Showstics or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge, and people want to go to People
want to go to Orlando in January. Yes, an Orlando
fan fest in January. I don't want to say I
guarantee you because guarantee, but I'll wager, well, that may
not be the right, but I'll say that there's a
really good chance that that show would be a monster. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, the weather's going to be in the sixties
and that around there. I mean, and for the family
to you know, the family can go to Disney and
then you know, the kids can the adults or whatever,
the father can go there. So there's a lot of things.
Speaker 4: It's not just Disney. Don't you have also another everything? Yeah,
you have all these all these things in Orlando. I
mean it's not just Disney. Disney's the Biggie, but you've
got Paramount or whatever at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a whole Disney village that you can
go for free, and it's got the shops and the
restaurants and things. It's just you can spend the whole
day there and it's it's like Disney, but it's free.
You just don't have the rides, right, yes, and the weather.
Speaker 4: It would make fanatics best work in Orlando. If you
can get the building for the right time of the
year when people want to go where it's warmer than
it is in New York in February. You don't really
want to go to New York in February.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I used to.
Speaker 4: Live in New York. Actually I lived in a suburb,
but we call it New York was twelve hours George
Washington Bridge. I used to live up there. You don't
want to travel up there in February. You don't even
know if you're going to run into a snowstorm.
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, you'll get stuck and you won't be
able to get out of there. Where Orlando, you probably
hopefully you get out of there. I mean, worst case
scenario in Orlando is you'll run it as a storm,
but not a.
Speaker 3: There's no storms in that Yeah, there's no storms there
in that time, and the weather is beautiful usually.
Speaker 2: Let's see if there's any comments here to people just
talking about all the stuff in Florida, which makes sense.
I mean, yeah, there's there is tons of stuff, so
really they really, uh, you know, there is a ton
of stuff to do in that area. Where Chicago there's
kind of the there's top golf, I know, like a
lot of people do like their corporate top golf trips
during the national But yeah, Orlando great.
Speaker 1: You know, I love Orlando down.
Speaker 2: There because it's tons of stuff to do other than well,
not other than, but including the card show if that's
down there also.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to I asked Rich something so he's
a little more familiar with the situation with with what's
happening with Beckett. And now that PSA is opening up
a on office in Texas, what are your opinions on that, Rich,
are they actually going after Beckett?
Speaker 4: I don't know how big it's going to be, what
they're going to do with the office. I will say.
The only thing I will say is if they have
enough manpower at PSA, they should set up at every
Dallas card show. They're really not that far away, and
that would be another way to hurt Beckett, because right
now Beckett has a major home field advantage at the
Dallas card Show. Their office is literally twenty minutes away
from the show. And I know this because I live
ten minutes away and their office is five to ten
minutes from my house. So on a bad traffic day,
it's twenty minutes to the Becket office from the Dallas
Card Show PSA. Then if they have enough bodies and
they have enough people working in the area, they should
set up at every Dallas card show because then you
don't have to pay a lot of people to fly in.
They'll learn how to do the shows, they'll learn how
to talk to people. It all depends what they're hired
for there too, But on a corporate level, with a
home field advantage, I would sure as Hex set up
at every Dallas card show.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that definitely is a no brainer. But it's
I mean they're very strategic. I mean having an office
in the East Coast, on the West Coast, and now
in Dallas, and well they own SPC, who is in Florida.
Speaker 4: Well Dallas also CSG Fanatics. We were talking about finance
and the Dallas car earlier a couple This has nothing
to do with buying out the Dallas card show. Fanatics
had one of their quarterly meetings in Dallas because it
is doubt The DFW Airport is a hub airport for
American airlines, so you can get there from just about
anywhere in the country, just like Chicago with O'Hare. So
I remember they asked Kyle Robertson the promoter, and Kyle
gave everybody all access passes and he handed out like
seventy passes to people at Fanatics to attend the show
because most of them are going to be collectors spending
good money. So it was worth his vendors for him
to lose a little But I'm gonna use the word
lose a little bit of money to make all his
vendors happy. I'll make that trade any day. You know.
If I can make my vendors happy, they want to
come back. So if it costs me x thousand to
do all access passes, but it gets me x thousand us,
that keeps my vendors happy and coming back. That's a
good short term tree.
Speaker 3: You got seventy plus people with money coming.
Speaker 2: In, yes, right, and and you have people saving a
little bit of money because they got the passes too,
so that definitely add that to add that to your
budget to buy cards.
Speaker 4: So it's a good deal all around. And so Fanatics
hasn't has their I mean PSA has their office in
the New York area, big big collecting area. They had
the California office and now a Dallas office makes sense
because you're in a Midwest we're the south southern tip
of the Midwest, but you're in the Midwest area, it
makes sense to have an office where people can coalesce
and it's easy enough to get to. So it's a
it's a good forget everything else. It's a good marketing move.
Speaker 3: And it's a great marketed period that the Texas area
anywhere around there because it's very easy to drive from
Texas from you know, Missouri, in any any place basically,
but I don't know.
Speaker 4: How easy to drive in Texas under construction since eighteen
sixty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're kind of I guess that. I mean,
that was great.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we were able to get so much
conversation out of the sport of that of the the
National News because I think this one will probably pretty quick.
We'll just we'll quickly, we'll quickly touch on this last
topic and then we'll kind of wrap things up. So
let's see Bronnie James and I know some people are
probably gonna roll the rides in the chat here. I
can can I can already see it coming. Uh, Bronnie
James is going back to the G League. Not surprising
really at all. I mean he shouldn't have really been
on the team. He shouldn't have been on the starting
roster anyways, I guess, but you know, we still had
a couple different cards of his and his his father,
And do you think I I don't know, I mean,
rich this is all hypothetical and speculative, Like do you
think that Lebron had anything to do with the cards
that they produced, like at the beginning of the year,
like with with him and Browny, Like, do you think
they were like, we'll get a card and then then
we'll send him down or do you think that's sort
of you know, that's maybe a little bit too conspiratorial.
Speaker 4: That's way too conspiratory, way too conspira However, he's a
second round draft pick, right if he was really that good,
he would have been a first round draft pick. I
think they handled it appropriately. They got him on the
floor with his with his father, They got him some
shots in the NBA, he scored points. And now if
he's really good, he'll be alternating between the g he'll
have whatever, if it's a two way contract or whatever.
A lot of people in the G league, can you know,
switch back and forth. You know, the NBA lasters are
fourteen or fifteen people you are not, you know, and
a lot of times your your rotation is players. So
he's not going to be in the main rotation. It's
not a big deal when it comes to playing. They've
already taken care of they've played together, he scored points,
they've already taken care of all that. You don't have
to do more at this point. Now you can alternate
and he can learn NBA stuff and be with his dad.
And his dad is still the best player on the
Lakers almost an age, right, So you want to keep dad,
who is who is in the mount rushmore of NBA players.
You want to keep that and it's still producing at
a high level.
Speaker 5: You keep that happy, right, So it's okay, It really
is okay. Yeah, And I thought, as.
Speaker 4: I pointed out in our chap before, and I don't
know if Orlando was in the room yet, did you
all see that Scottie Pippen Junior had a triple double
last night, making it the first father son combo to
ever have triple doubles.
Speaker 3: That's great news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely good.
Speaker 2: And so Orlando, I mean, what about what about you
do you think this from a sports car perspective. Do
you think it really matters like that he is getting
sent down? Like, do you think people are still gonna
want to buy his cards? I mean, like I think
people will do and they will, But the interesting.
Speaker 3: I think people will still buy his cards, especially at
least with Lebron, just to have that dual card, you know,
like the King Griffy Senior and Junior type things. I
think people would like that, just to have that. Really,
for me, I think it was just more of a
gimmick bringing him in. I don't think he would have
been drafted by any other team other than the Lakers,
And you know, it was just to make Lebron happy
and really to create history. And I think it's a
nice thing to do. I think it was a good
gesture and all that, you know, But I've always had
concerns with Bronnie. You know, you know, he had a
heart issue when he's in college, and you know, I
don't know if he had actually has the skills you know,
to be a starter, you know, at everyday starter. But
we'll see what happens, you know. I mean I wish
him well and all that, but I really think that
it was it wasn't for Lebron on the team, he
wouldn't have been drafted at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right about that. I mean,
they did sell a one of one with Lebron and Bronny,
so I think that'll be interesting to see what that
ends up selling for. I mean, we've seen that dual
auto sometimes don't work out when they have rookies like this,
but I mean, it is Lebron, so it's like one,
on one hand, it's like the best player of our generation,
but then also like you know, I don't know, I mean,
I don't know if that affects the Lebron I don't
know if eventually one day people will just say, oh,
it's just a little like sure, it's a dual card,
but if even if Briny doesn't pan out, it really
is gonna stay sort of where the price is, Like
it's not gonna drop because it's not like some random player,
because it's the Sun and it's still a big deal.
But yeah, I mean, overall, we'll see how this goes
once Panini starts coming out with their basketball sets, Like, Rich,
do you think Bronni's probably gonna be in these sets?
Speaker 1: Right? Like you would have to imagine a member of
the NBA PA.
Speaker 4: He he will be, you know, as long as all
the contracts you're done, because you have the right to
print the cards. You may not be able to get
the autographs, but they'll have cards, and it will be interesting
to see where his rookie cards fall and whether they
do any dual cards with Daddy, and that's okay, that's allowed,
whether they kind of put Dad on the card as well.
You know, there are gonna be photos of them together
in Lakers' uniforms.
Speaker 2: Somebody asked if if Brownie still gets to participate in
Taco Tuesday, I mean, I don't know, you'd hope, So
I guess I don't know. But with I think with
those teams, at least i'm pretty well Salt Lake City,
I guess that's or no South Bay, so I guess
they're still in the California area.
Speaker 1: So maybe I don't I guess I hope you'd hope.
Speaker 2: So, so we are coming up a little bit on
the looks like we're coming up on the top of
the hour.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back around the horn one more time. Uh,
you know, give a shout out to whatever you're working
on any stuff you want to talk about, Orlando, I'll
kick it to you first, like what are your you know,
what you got coming up, what you got planned? Like
anything you want to give a shout out to you
on the show here as we're wrapping things up, I've.
Speaker 3: Got the next next weekend, I would be at the
Palm Beach Card Show up here in West Pump Beach.
It's about four hundred tables, so kind of a big
card show for Florida. You we usually don't have too
many big ones here, so I'll be doing that. And
you know that I like to follow a lot of
collectors and stuff like that. And one thing I wanted,
you know, I checked Net fifty four and you know
Riches on Net fifty four at the time. But I
was on Net fifty four this morning and I was
reading up on a collector who has completed a nineteen
sixty one Flear basketball set completely autographed. Oh wow, and
it's the only one that could be completed because there
are there's one player that there's only one autograph car
that exists, and like the Chamberlain and Act there's only
two autographs of that and only five of the regular
Chamberlain autographs and a couple other autographs. Is only like
one or two that are known, So I think that
is a huge task for this guy that built the
only nineteen sixty one for year basketball set completely signed,
and it's the only one that can ever be completed,
right right. So just I love to see stuff like
that go on there. Fifty four and you'll see that,
and then fifty four is great with Leon and all that.
I love it. I'm always on there just checking out
the news and stuff that's going on and just give
them a little plug.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, nice, Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: I mean that's one of the cool partsball collecting is
like these random things that no one knew you could do.
It's like, now you have a Now you have one
of the only sets of this specific type of set,
which I think is very cool.
Speaker 3: The only one that could ever be complete, right.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's the only one that ever could be
right exactly exactly. You know, rich, same question to you,
what you got coming up? Anything you want to plug here?
Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of things. One I sold out
again at the last dollars cards show, this time without
that pesky little detail of having a table I bought
a deal, and then one of my friends came over
and I sold everything else I had at home. So
this time I got to sell out without having to
pay for a table, which was even better. Yeah, that
pesky little detail. And so I'm starting all over again.
I'm actually having to run to I'm buying. I have
to buy certain things I can only get out of
either a Walmart or a Target. So I'm probably going
to buy a blaster box or two today and just
have some fun. And I understand that's not a way
to make money or anything. That is more like have
some fun. You know, twenty dollars box is fine. And
also our friends who donate us a lot of stuff
at Triple Cards in Plano, but they're part of and
I want to talk about this sometime. I'll call it
the Triple Card family of stores. He's opening four more
stores with they call it the Wax Stores. When they open,
he Lawrence and his team will have fourteen stores by
sometime next year.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: He has figured out the Rubik's cube of how to franchise.
That is something nobody else in this hobby has ever done.
I mean, usually if you have stores, you have two
or three you don't, you know. And our friend Rex,
so I didn't see in the chat. Rex has two
stores that's normally about how far you go fourteen is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know, and.
Speaker 4: Some of them are some of them he bought established stores,
like my friend Mike for in Colorado, and you know,
Mike has stole the manager. Mike still runs the most
of the day to day operations for the store, but
he doesn't have to do things like payroll anymore, so
it still has his stamp on it. But they also
have each year a Secret Santa Project where you spend
and if you're an adult, you have to spend two hundred.
If you're younger than adult or you want to be
in the you know, there's also a fifty dollars children's
we'll call it kids group, and there's usually a i'm
gonna call it a trade night attached, and they're doing
it December fourth. You know, I signed up. I signed
up at the local Plano card the you know, like
the day after the Dallas card. So I signed up,
and there you can sign up to like November twenty second,
and then you have like two weeks after that to
buy your gifts. Usually unopened, which lets them saw a
lot of an open product right total, and then the
party will be December fourteenth, and there's oh and it
becomes almost like a trade night too, so it's real
and plus I think that's also Fanatics has announced there's
some thing they're doing that day too, so it's actually
in conjunction, I believe, with a Fanatics event to oh nice,
So I mean talk about time, I mean beautifully secret
Samma Fanatics event Good Card Store where the Good Card
Store is literally, by the way, one of the best
Jewish style deli in town. Get away from the card store,
you can walk to itself and they get a break
and catering from there. So any time I hear there's
an event there, I say, I'm going to there, my wife, Okay,
we're not going out to dinner on Saturday night. You're
gonna have You're gonna have your sandwiches from there. Yeah. Yeah,
pre planned. And it's a lot of fun. But you know,
if any it's it's seriously also a lot of fun.
And that to me is like it's a convey convivial
way to have fun with the hobby. There's low pressure
because you're not you can sell. The stores will sell
you stuff, obviously, but you're already bought your stuff. You're
gonna be surprised by what people get you. I'll open
a pack, I'll open boxes thereever I.
Speaker 1: Get I get, yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 4: And then if there's something to buy at the store,
Oh great, let's buy something at the store.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And that, to me is one of the most joyful events.
And I'm I know, I've got a little past eleven.
Speaker 1: So I have It's all good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really one of the most fun events you can have.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does sound like a lot of fun. Now
I'm now I need to go get a sandwich. I
think I'm starving now you mentioned the deli.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I want to thank everybody in the chat. Thank
you for every This was very very lively today.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You love all the comments except for the ones making
fun of me asking if I was eating kitty litter.
I think before that one, I lost my train of
thought when I read that one in the chat. I
think that was a seventies card show. I think put
that one in there, so shout out, shout out to
that comment. I guess I mean it did it?
Speaker 1: Did it? Three for a little bit of a loop.
Speaker 2: I can't lie, but yeah, I mean all all I've
got is basically, well not all I've got, but I
you know, I'm writing for Sports Illustrated, I've got the
Hobby News daily podcast. Uh, and then I'm aaunched on
Twitter kind of promoting stuff and put post in tweets.
So you know, we want to get check me out
there at Heroes for Sale and then you know, like
I said, just go check out.
Speaker 1: All those places.
Speaker 2: I want to shout out to everybody here in the chat,
like I said, next week, we'll be back here on
the bench Clear Media Channel with episode three I guess
twenty four now at this point. So I want to
thank you everybody for listening watching, Make sure you go
like and subscribe, and we will see you.
Speaker 1: We'll see you in the chat next week. I guess.
Have a good one.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys, have a good weekend.
Speaker 1: Nope,