Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into another episode of the Lol Limit Cash
Games podcast. Glad to have you Here're gonna talk about
some little limit pokers to day, specifically putting quote unquote
fish on ranges. You know, the bad players at the
table on ranges, the poorest players at the table on ranges.
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talk about low stakes ranges for bad players. I don't
know fish is really a good word. I've heard lately
people try to use different terminology for the poorest players
at the table, the fun players, the VIPs. I don't
know that people are using different terminology because they say
fish is derogatory. I mean, I don't necessarily know that
fish is derogatory. When you think about the way that
players who are playing for profit play. They're showing up
to a pool of players and they're trying to.
Speaker 2: Quote unquote catch a player that.
Speaker 1: You know as playing optimally. I don't know that it's
I don't think it's derogatory. It's become derogatory. Uh, we'll
just call them recreationals though. I think out of all
the terms that we've been used heard used over the
past few years, probably recreationals is probably the best. These
are people that are there for recreation, they're there for fun. Anyways,
for the purposes of this content, I'm gonna use fish
ranges because that's the way it's been asked of me.
So I'm assuming that's the way most.
Speaker 2: People think of it when they talk about it.
Speaker 1: Now, for the purposes of this episode of the podcast,
I'm gonna be talking specifically about a passive fish. This
is ninety percent of all fish. This is ninety percent
of all recreational players. They like to see a lot
of flops. They'd like they'd see every flop if they could.
Speaker 2: There's rarely a hand that they would fold.
Speaker 1: You know, they might fold some stuff, but you know
they won't see like eighty percent of flops if it
would go. If you're in a one two game and
it goes two dollars, two dollars, two dollars, they're going
to see a flop with the two dollars hand. This
is your average passive recreational slash fish, whatever you want
to call them at the table. And what's important is
understanding they're raising ranges because I continue to see people
get themselves in trouble.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could play very long.
Speaker 1: With your standard recreational player and not you know, really
grasp what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do understand it.
Speaker 1: Most people don't really pay attention to what's happening at
the table. They're just there and they look at their
cards and they're like.
Speaker 2: I'm a good player. I play tight.
Speaker 1: Well, if you just play tight, yeah, you probably are
playing better than most everybody else at the table.
Speaker 2: But don't mean you're a good player.
Speaker 1: It means you're playing tight, and that's step one is
understanding that you can't play every hand.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you're a good player, though.
Speaker 1: But I find that a lot of people think they're good players,
but they never pay attention to anything that's going on
at the table. They couldn't tell you what anybody at
the table's doing wrong. They can't tell you what anybody
else at the table's doing right. They don't, you know,
have any any inclination as to what people's different bet sizings,
bet timings, these type things mean like.
Speaker 2: They don't do anything else going on at the table.
Speaker 1: So people continue to make this mistake, especially people that
are what I want to call tryhards.
Speaker 2: So now that is a derogatory.
Speaker 1: Term, but I don't necessarily mean it that way, Like
there's a lot of people that are tryhards that aren't
that It isn't a negative connotation like they're trying hard.
They just haven't advanced to a stage of really grasping
what's going on.
Speaker 2: But tryhards are people who you know, they'll they'll it
is derogatory. I'm sorry, it's a little bit derogatory.
Speaker 1: Tryhards are people that and look, no offense intended, probably
isn't you, but that will.
Speaker 2: Listen to podcast episode. It's like mine. They'll listen to
the episode. They won't do anything about it afterwards.
Speaker 1: Like they won't put any time try and develop a
skill set or practice anything or rework their game or
take notes on it or anything like that. They'll just
listen to it, listen to it every time it comes out.
They will watch videos on YouTube. They'll watch all the
videos on YouTube from all the creators and they'll, you know,
they'll they'll pick up a few things subconsciously or maybe
even consciously, and.
Speaker 2: To try to play, you know, a reasonable game.
Speaker 1: But they're not really doing the work, like they're not
putting in the work because it's hard work to get
better at poker.
Speaker 2: It's not hard to get better at poker, but it's
hard work, Like you have.
Speaker 1: To consciously make the decision to get better at poker,
and then you have to actively do things.
Speaker 2: To make it happen.
Speaker 1: So tryhards don't really actively do anything that he's listening
to watch a lot of content and go, oh yeah,
I know, I understand a lot about poker. So tryhards
will pick up these things, like how one of the
biggest things I've seen tryhards pick up over the last
few years is how great Ace five suit it is.
And they saw some guy on YouTube that's well known
and well.
Speaker 2: Respected three betting from Ace five suit. It's the best
hand of three bet with man. Ace five suit is
the best and of three bet with man, and let's get.
Speaker 1: Crazy with it without putting any thought involved. And we'll
talk of that about that a little bit later. So
here's what you need to know about the raising ranges
from these passive recreationals. I'm gonna be very specific. They're
passive recreationals. These are people that are trying to see
every flop for two dollars and if it's raised to
ten them, I mean, they're probably still gonna see most
of the flops, and if it's raised to fifteen, they're
probably still going to call most of the time. They're
passive recreational players. Here's what you need to know. Obviously,
you don't need to know the calling range. It's nearly
every hand that they're is under the sun. Their raising
range is very similar from every single spot. They're raising
range under the gun is the same as their raising
range from middle position is the same as their raising
range from the button is the same as their raising
range if it were folded all the way to the
small blind, which obviously ever happens at low stakes hold them,
but if it did, their raising range from the small
blind would be the exact same as it was from
under the gun.
Speaker 2: Their raising range is always the same.
Speaker 1: They don't do any of this, you know, having a
tight raising range from under the gun and then a
much looser raising range when it's folded to them.
Speaker 2: On the button. They don't. They don't. They don't have
any of that.
Speaker 1: There is no nuance to their raising range. Obviously, They're
calling ranges are the same in every seat as well.
They're gonna play fire four suited under the gun. They're
gonna call with it, and they're gonna call with fire
four suited on the button. They're gonna call with pocket
deuces under the gun, and they're gonna call with pocket duces
on the button. They're gonna call with aue suited under
the gun. They're gonna call with ace ducee suited on
the button. Like all those calling ranges are the same,
and then they're raising ranges are the same, and they're
raising ranges.
Speaker 2: Are really really tight.
Speaker 1: How tight this ferries a little bit from passive recreational
to passive recreational.
Speaker 2: Some of them will only.
Speaker 1: Raise aces and kings and maybe queens. Some of them
will only raise aces and kings. Some of them will
only raise aces and kings and queens.
Speaker 2: And ace king. You know.
Speaker 1: Some of them will never raise ace king. Then some
of them will go down as far as jacks. But
I mean that's kind of like I would say, probably
the loosest of the passive recreationals that they're raising as
probably jacks. I mean they just start limping tens. Most
of them limp jacks because I hate jack. Why I
hate jacks. They'll do one or two things with jacks.
They'll either limp the jackson or when they raised that
worries really big with them. I actually played with one
of these players this past week.
Speaker 2: I was on the I don't cut off.
Speaker 1: I think it was I don't know it was in
a later position. What the button was later positioned in
one of these recreationals that I know very very well,
makes it forty dollars to go forty take go in
a one to two game forty take go, And at
Ace Queen it was Ace Queen suited, so I can
fold it. Why can I fold it? Because I mean,
we're kind of flipping. Why can I fold it because
raise so big? Raise is so big, Like, there's no
I don't have to put forty dollars.
Speaker 2: I don't need to.
Speaker 1: Put twenty big lines in with Ace Queen suited. The
reason that I.
Speaker 2: Often to call was because there was what I.
Speaker 1: Would call well, I hate using these terms. It sounds
so derogatory, just because there was a gigabole in the
big line, an absolute gigabol in the big line that
I knew wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Fold for forty. He's just not gonna fold for forty.
Speaker 1: And all three of us were pretty deep, well, all
three had you know, somewhere like between five point fifty
and seven hundred, So the shortest stack was five point
fifty and the biggest one was like seven hundred. So
for one two game, pretty good stacks, and I know
this Gigable in the big.
Speaker 2: Line is not folding for forty dollars.
Speaker 1: So I get to play a guy that I know
almost always as jacks, like ninety nine percent of the
dummy as jacks. Sometimes it's tens, like I've seen him
do tens like this too, it's tins are.
Speaker 2: Jacks, probably jacks. And then I guess Gigabol in the
big line, that'll just he hits anything. He's just he's
just good for the stack. He's just this. Uh So
I called and.
Speaker 1: We flopped a nut flush straw and we want it
one in a pot, want it won in a three
way pot.
Speaker 2: It's pretty nice pot. Anyways. My point is.
Speaker 1: They all have a very very tight raising range, and
it's gonna be up to you over time. Like if
you're in a new poker room and you're gonna be
there for three days, you may not see a regular
is that often. If you do, you may only play
with them once or twice, maybe three times at most,
Like you're not gonna get an in depth understanding of
their range, not that nuanced, not like down to the
exact bottom of their raising range.
Speaker 2: So you just have to understand after you've been.
Speaker 1: Playing with them a couple hours that they are a
very passive recreational When they do raise, you won't know
what the bottom of it is. You won't know if
it's queens, or you won't know if it's kings, or
you won't know if it's.
Speaker 2: Jacks, or you won't know if they'll do it with
a s king. But you know it's not. It't gonna
meaning worse.
Speaker 1: Than that, right, Sally's passive recreationals play.
Speaker 2: So going back to this.
Speaker 1: ACE five suited hand that I mentioned earlier, I'm going
to give you an example of this how a quote
unquote try hard just completely misplayed hand and how they
were using this advice that they saw some professional who's
well regarded on YouTube talking about these people that battled
against tough competition.
Speaker 2: These people are in there against you know, really tough
thinking doing all the things players like.
Speaker 1: Those players are hard to play against. You got to
do a lot of crazy things against them. Their ranges
are well constructed, and you know their ranges aren't just
Queen's plus. So we're sitting in this game and one
of these very passive recreationals raises.
Speaker 2: From the cutoff.
Speaker 1: And this player that I'm talking about, who I'll call
it try hard, was in a small blind and he
three bet.
Speaker 2: Now if he were paying attention, right, if he were
paying attention, he knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: What do you think, what range of hands do you
think he should three bet with from the small blind?
Speaker 2: Only aces? Only aces is the only hand he shaid.
Three bet one of these guys with a small.
Speaker 1: Blind because now he mostly is relegated to having kings
and then sometimes queens, and then you know, sometimes you
just chopping with aces. Uh, there's this guy out at
full again. I don't want to call this guy's name,
but I don't play with him that much because he
plays earlier in the day at my fucker room. But
he's suber tight and he raised a few months ago.
Speaker 2: I had the aces. I three bet him.
Speaker 1: He shoves our call. Obviously we just both had aces.
Speaker 2: I mean, he would have just called with kings. He
just would have if I three other aces, he would
have just called with kings. But anyway, so I guess
one of these particular players where they're raising range.
Speaker 1: Again, this guy from the small blind is probably thinking, oh,
he's raising from the cutoff.
Speaker 2: I can three bat with.
Speaker 1: This particular range because quote unquote, I saw a range
chart somewhere quote unquote, I ranted in pre fund in
this Wizard program, or I saw this player do it
and talk about it in his training video on YouTube
or whatever. That's why I raised with this hand here. No, no, no, no,
it's very passive recreation. Was raised from the cutoff. That
is the exact same range he would have raised with
under the gun. The fact that he's in the cutoff
is meaningless. He just only raises these same these hands.
That's the only hands he raises at any point in
time from any position. Anyway, if you have one of
these players and you're and they raised from the cutoff,
and you're in the small blind, would you raise some
of these hands like I was talking about earlier, the
ACE five students, the A fourth too, things like that
pocket jacks. I mean, I do hope after listening to
this episode, your answer to that question is now back
to this hand that I witness I wouldn'tess in the hand.
Speaker 2: I just witnessed it play out.
Speaker 1: So this this try hard three beat from the small
blind and the cut off passive recreational player just called
the flop came pretty low. I don't remember exactly what
the flop was, but I want to say it was
something like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like nine five four or something. I
know it was a four.
Speaker 1: I think it was like nine five four nine six four,
something low and raggedy like that.
Speaker 2: The small blind leads.
Speaker 1: Out recreational passive calls. Turn is something meaningless and low.
Bat call river, small blind jams passive recreational calls. The
small blind try hard, has ACE four suited. He flopped
bottom pair and barreled it through because it was a low,
raggedy board, and he quote unquote thought he could get
the other guy to fold as king or some nonsense.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Anyway, the passing recreation has turned over kings.
He just had pack of kinks. He had pack of kinks.
He was never folding unless an ACE king. He's never
folded unless an ACE game. He was never folded. So look,
I mean, you could three bet this type hand against
some players. Right, if I race from the cutoff, you
could three bet me with ACE four suited. Might not
be the worst thing to.
Speaker 1: Do, especially if I race with the buttony race for
the button You're in small bone, you got ace four suited. Yeah,
you should be three betting me probably, you know, good
percentage of the time, these low bad low steaks. Passive
recreationals have one raising range and they it's one raisin
range from every position.
Speaker 2: And this is swin. They're easier to play against. This
is just win. They're easier to play against when you
find them.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to be very clear that I didn't
talk about aggressive recreationals, because that's a different type of
recreational There's a few of them I play against all
the time. There's this one guy that I come that'll
just I'll give you a perfect example of him. I'll
give you a perfect example of this guy. We're playing
a one two game. He shows up like eleven o'clock
at night, one two game in my particular room. You
can buy him for four hundred dollars. He buys him
for four hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Firsthand, he makes it fifty dollars. I know this guy
played with him forever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but anyway, he wound up winning.
I don't know what the cards or anything, but he
wound up winning. And then they say, you know, he's
doubled up. He's got like, he's got eight hundred, eight
hundred in front of him from the first hand with
some garbage.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, eight four nine six ers.
You know, it was something. I don't remember what the
hand was, but it was it was a it was
a stupid hand. It was a hand he shit have folded.
Now he's got eight hundred. And you know, I've been
playing a while.
Speaker 1: I got like a six fifty stack in front of me,
and you know, ten fifteen minutes goes by and he
raises to fifty and he gets to me, and I
have pocket aces. Now I've played this guy lot. He's
an aggressive recreational that will gamble with any two cards.
Not only is he aggressive, like he just raises a
lot with all.
Speaker 2: Kinds of cards.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really like to fold either, and especially like
the fold hands. Well I go that far, so he
makes it fifty.
Speaker 2: I look down at pocket aces.
Speaker 1: Look, there's all kinds of nuances to sizings and things
I could do with pocket aces against a lot of
recreational players.
Speaker 2: Against this one, there's one play, just one play.
Speaker 1: It's shoved. He ain't folding. I got six fifty. He's
got like eight hundred, So I'm the effective six. I
just shoved the aces. He ain't folding.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what cars he has. If he raised
to fifty.
Speaker 1: He ain't folding them. So I just made it six fifty.
It's just the easiest programmar has put it all in.
He snapped, he had six eight offsuit. He flopped us straight,
flopped me dead with a straight, and he won. That
being said, I mean, you know, he had an enormous
stack in front of him.
Speaker 2: That being said.
Speaker 1: About ninety minutes later, he was busted and walking out
the door. I was back up. I got back up
to a round, even I never.
Speaker 2: Really got up in the game.
Speaker 1: But so look when you when you're talking about recreationals,
there's all kinds of different recreation. The reason I tell
that story of that example and talk about how you
have aggressive recreationals.
Speaker 2: Just to make sure that you distinguished tween the two.
Speaker 1: There's most recreational players are passive. I would say ninety
plus percent of them are passive. The aggressive ones, you know,
you would play it a different way, and maybe I'll
do you know, another episode on how to play against
So it's the reason I didn't really want to talk
too much about that is because they're so rare, and
I mean, it doesn't take a lot of brain power
to figure out how to play against players that are
just raising a ton of hands. Just play a linear range,
which is play top of range and just three bat
them and look to play big pots with them. Long
story short, So that kind of sums it up. So
that just eliminated and need to do another pot. All right,
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