1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,279 Speaker 2: Here shit Keuss. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Books your source of information and analysis to help you 4 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:17,559 win your fantasy hockey league. Block Off has a step 5 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:23,000 hit on stay lock. Here's your hosts, Jesse Severe and 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,320 Victor Nuno. 7 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Life. It's time for some great fantasy hockey talk. 8 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:33,399 I'm robot Jesse Severe in joining me, the robot whose 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,399 NHL E is in the Superstar range. Fake, Victor Nuno. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,119 Speaker 3: That's right, Jesse, I am here, but not here. 11 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: How is the weather in your Internet tubes today, Robot Victor. 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,359 Speaker 3: I am in the California Internet Robot Jesse and the 13 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:49,880 big tech companies keep it at a Chris forty degrees 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,039 for us here. I know that sounds cold, but it 15 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:53,719 is perfect for optimal operation. 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: Enough jibber, jabber, Robot Victor. We have an episode to 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,159 discuss today. We are going to have a great guest 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,959 to talk about microstats. He is Corey Snyder and we 19 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:08,640 often cite his stats on the show. Technically, it will 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,400 be non robot Jesse interviewing him. 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There are a ton of perks 31 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:50,920 that be had at patrion, including roster doctor sessions, prioritized access, 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,159 advanced stats and rankings, and patroncasts. Patrion dot com slash 33 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:56,280 Fantasy Hockeylife. 34 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: We'll take a brief break. On the other side, the 35 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:09,960 meat bag, Jesse will interview our guest. I really want 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,800 to thank our yesterday for coming on. It's Corey Snyder 37 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:16,400 on the shutdown line out there on x and the purveyor, 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,360 the founder, the man behind all three zones the website. Corey, 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,120 how are you doing today? 40 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. 41 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: Hey man, We've really appreciate having you on because you 42 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,759 do some great stats stuff out there and really very 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,680 useful to our listeners. Who are digging into the stats 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,520 every day of hockey for their fantasy purposes. But all 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,400 three Zones is your site. I'm wondering, Corey, if you 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,120 could start by letting people know, if there are people 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,319 here who aren't aware of it, what that site is, 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,560 where it came from. 49 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: Yes, so I guess so the majority what I do 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,759 is I watch a lot of NHL and other hockey 51 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:58,280 games and collect what's known as micro stats, which basically 52 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:02,199 stats that aren't available like through the website, through NHL 53 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,080 dot com or like the normal play by play sheets 54 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,680 or anything like that. So the main things that I 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:12,039 collect are passes or shots, setups in particular to like 56 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:15,599 judge playmaking or great playmaking skills of certain players. And 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,360 I also I also track certain passes like once from 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,719 behind the net, cross slot passes, stretch passes, things like that. 59 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,520 I track where the passes come from, like the neutral zone, 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,879 offensive zone, whether it's off the rush or off the 61 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,400 fore check, basically breaking the game down into all sorts 62 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:36,199 of different situations, all sorts of situations in scenarios to 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,159 get a really closer look of what happens during the game, 64 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,039 to figure out who's driving play and who's who might 65 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,759 be undervalued, who might be really driving the bus on 66 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,719 certain teams and whatnot. But and the real thrill thing 67 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,520 is it's just a different scope of a game and 68 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,240 a lot of people. It's something I did on my 69 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,840 own time for a little bit, and then more people 70 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,960 were interested in it just because it's a different way 71 00:03:58,039 --> 00:04:01,560 to watch a hockey game. It's a different lens of 72 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:03,479 watching things. People have told me they pick up on 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,479 things they don't notice before, like defensemen breakouts and such 74 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:10,800 things like that, like through my work. So it's been 75 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,360 cool to see the project grow over the last few years. 76 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: Was it related at all to the stuff Ryan Stimpson 77 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,879 used to do with his passing project? 78 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? What I did first was I collected zone entry 79 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:26,439 data based off ver Tulsky's work in zone X sets 80 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,000 off my own data, and then Ryan was doing passing 81 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,959 and I started tracking that for I started tracking that 82 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,199 in addition, like based pretty much based pretty heavily on 83 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,439 his work, and I was weird working together for a 84 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:42,839 little bit. He's doing his own thing now. I think 85 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:46,759 he's working outside of hockey right now, So I'm just 86 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,160 carrying the torch at the moment. 87 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, outstand it Yeah, I just wanted to say, because 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,680 back in twenty fourteen fifteen, I was tracking Washington capitals 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,639 for him. I remember those days. Finally, but yeah, so 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,279 all this data goes in and I know people we'll 91 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,959 probably have or could if they look up shut down 92 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:05,639 Line see the cards that you create on X for 93 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:08,160 individual players. It gives a good sense of maybe what's 94 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:11,120 going on with those players. Can you give a sense 95 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,600 to people what sort of information you find to be 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,240 most useful on these cards that you're creating. 97 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it depends on the player, and like 98 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:22,600 what you're looking at, Like, I'll go to the default 99 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:25,680 page right now, it's Matt Barzal. Matt Barzal's card. You'll 100 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,720 see a lot of blue bars. Mean he's good at 101 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,240 a lot of things. And I guess the biggest thing 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,920 I try to stress with the player cards is not 103 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:36,560 to get too overwhelmed because there's a lot of data 104 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:38,680 on these cards, and a lot of them are breaking 105 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,920 down completely different parts in the game. With barzl he's 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,000 very With Barzil, you'll see a very thick blue bar 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,240 under shot assists for playmaking chance assists, but a lower 108 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:52,199 blue bar on shots and chance creation. On his own, 109 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,759 so studying up chances he's elite, but creating chances on 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,680 his own he's a little closer to the league average. 111 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,839 And creating shots and other like certain shot categories. A 112 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,439 few columns down, you'll see that he creates a lot 113 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,399 of his chance. He creates a lot of his offense 114 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:10,639 off the cycle rather than off the rush, so that's 115 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,519 a little interesting. And he has a little some of 116 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:17,199 his more detailed shot data like rebounds, one timers and 117 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:19,519 shots off high danger passes. That's a little more further 118 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,480 in the reds. So it speaks that he's excellent at 119 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,480 setting up his teammates, but his teammates don't do a 120 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,839 great job as setting him up, or maybe he doesn't 121 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:31,480 do the best job of getting open one thing or 122 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:33,839 another like that. So I guess a big thing I 123 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:37,519 try to stress with the player cards is it's never 124 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,720 a black and white situation. That could be a lot 125 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,160 of different things going on as to what leads to 126 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,759 the final results. So it's easy to get confused and lost, 127 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,439 but there's definitely some key points to hammering on, and 128 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,399 you can get a skuppell what's going on with the player? 129 00:06:53,439 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's extremely cool. Yeah, every one of the 130 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,920 categories has that red to blue line going all the 131 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,560 way to the left or all the way to the right. 132 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,800 And there's so many different categories, and of course I'm 133 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,079 sure you would be the first to say not all 134 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,240 those categories are created equal, but it's useful to see 135 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:13,000 which ones of them are to the positive or to 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,560 the negative. And at Barzol, poor guy. It's tough to 137 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,279 be an islander. Sometimes I think you're getting yourself set up. 138 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:21,160 But are there things, I know, what sorts of things 139 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:24,560 do you think don't necessarily get captured as well? Or 140 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,160 you're not trying to capture Nobody said you have to 141 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,480 capture every single thing in hockey or that everything is 142 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:33,800 translatable from the data that we can most easily quantify. 143 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:37,920 Are the things that don't necessarily fall into this stuff 144 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:40,120 that you don't make claims about. 145 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:42,519 Speaker 1: I would say, I would say, like past quality is 146 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,079 something that this project does to a good job of 147 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:47,720 kind of shedding some light on showing who like the 148 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,600 high level playmakers are, because like, I feel like there's 149 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,240 been more of an emphasis not necessarily I mean, I 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,959 guess it's shock quality. At the end of the day, 151 00:07:56,959 --> 00:07:59,160 I keep using that phrase because it's a catchall term 152 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:01,720 to throw away some not so it's I don't know, 153 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:03,759 I feel like some teams just use it to excuse 154 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,120 some poor results. But there is more of a focus 155 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,639 now on limiting teams to the perimeter and trying to 156 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:14,439 make the most out of your limited possessions. Like kind 157 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:16,519 of we saw on this in the final last year 158 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,720 of Florida, because I mean think dominated to play territorially, 159 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,680 but Florida when they got the puck, they were creating 160 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,360 some very good looks off of it, especially off counterattacks 161 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,439 and off the rush. I think that's something that the 162 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:31,600 Project does a good job of kind of shedding some 163 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,000 light on where I do think things that I could 164 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:38,000 do better at is judging me grading defense is something 165 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:39,639 that I don't thinking. I'm never going to It's never 166 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,240 going to be perfect. It'll take too much, too many 167 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,200 man hours to really do show how good defensemen are 168 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,559 taking away space. That's hard. That's especially hard to do 169 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,279 on a broadcast feed because you can't really tell. You 170 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,200 can't really tell how much space like they're giving a forward, 171 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:57,600 especially like with the especially with like stick checks and 172 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,799 how the forward is protecting the pucket things like that, 173 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,840 so i'd have to zero in on my own categories 174 00:09:02,879 --> 00:09:06,679 and kind of show, like which results they lead to. 175 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,519 With defense, I started tracking what I started tracking puck 176 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,600 retrievals a couple of years ago. So basically it's linked 177 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,960 to zone exits and breakouts, but it's where the zone 178 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,440 exit starts and it's the player that goes back to 179 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:22,720 get the puck, and basically I mark whether or not 180 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:25,559 he retrieves the puck or turns it over or gets 181 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,240 knocked off it and there's a change of possession. So 182 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,320 that kind of shows so like to me, that kind 183 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,919 of or when I tested the results, it linked up 184 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:40,000 with defense pretty well with limiting shots, especially with limiting chances. 185 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,039 But the thing is, sometimes there's players that aren't great 186 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,679 at this certain thing that are good defenders. I don't know, 187 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:49,440 it's never going to be perfect in my opinion, so 188 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,919 especially since like you're grading one player, there's four other 189 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,759 guys on the ice that can pick up for some 190 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:54,840 of the faults that they have. 191 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mean to be that guy who five 192 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:01,440 minutes into the interview says, what are the things your 193 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,000 model's not good at? As you've done this amazing thing. 194 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:08,519 It's always important for people to understand what they should 195 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:10,600 be getting out of it, what the most important things 196 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:12,360 are they're getting out of it, and what it captures. 197 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,879 Because you're right, there's so many different ways that people 198 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:20,200 can succeed and fail that don't necessarily map easily to 199 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:23,799 the types of notches that we can observe. But this 200 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,519 is an amazing start. I know a lot of our 201 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,879 listeners are it's primarily a dynasty fantasy hockey podcast, but 202 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,639 these you get fifty or you get seventy points a year, 203 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:38,639 that's a huge deal to us. That's a couple of 204 00:10:38,759 --> 00:10:42,799 events that happen on the ice in actuality. Are there 205 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:45,519 things that you think you pick up on these reports 206 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,840 that are maybe leading indicators for those box score stats 207 00:10:49,879 --> 00:10:51,000 that we all love so much. 208 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say shot us to serve pretty big one. 209 00:10:55,039 --> 00:10:58,080 That's a pretty player. That is a player that's good 210 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,399 at site of teammates, He's going to be conser distantly 211 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,639 good at that. Over the years, that's a pretty reliable, 212 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,600 consistent stat. It always has been high danger passes. That's 213 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,399 also at least the players on like the high end, 214 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,639 like your Patrick Kanes, your Robert Thomas's those guys are 215 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,360 always going to be good at that. Dylan Strom's another 216 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:17,600 guy who's been sneaky good at that over the years, 217 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,559 and it's he's always been an okay point producer, but 218 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,360 this year it's started to take off a lot more. 219 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,600 So it could just be that could just be like 220 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:28,679 that could just be like, I don't know, ice time 221 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:32,200 going up things like that too. But another thing, one 222 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,600 of the one stat that's really consistent with point production 223 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:37,600 that I've noticed over the years is controlled entries leading 224 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,679 to scoring chances, because a lot of the players good 225 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,519 at that are the ones that really pop off. This 226 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,759 is something that Jack Hughes was really good at his 227 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,519 first couple of years when he wasn't producing points, and 228 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,600 then like his third year, it just took off, like 229 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,480 they started getting some better talent around him. He got stronger, 230 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:58,919 he got better at shooting the puck mainly, and that 231 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:01,240 really took off for him and McKinnon. That was another 232 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:04,759 thing hit like really early in his career, because if 233 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:08,320 you remember, he wasn't like a superstar level player until 234 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,399 like the year four or five in his career, I 235 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:12,879 think something like that. But then it took off and 236 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:17,519 he has a look back since and that's another although 237 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:20,039 some of the results are a little frush frustrating too, 238 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:22,559 because that is a skill that Matt Barzal is very 239 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,440 good at too. He's one of the best players in 240 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,840 the league and has been consistently. But with him, a 241 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,000 lot of it just comes down to power play production. 242 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,679 Like it even strength is production has always been pretty good, 243 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,879 but the power play production hasn't been there, and like 244 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:38,240 his skills at even strength don't really translate to the 245 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,320 power play for whatever reason, or they hadn't in recent seasons, 246 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,120 So there are some holes there too, but on but 247 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,200 overall it does it's a pretty good gauge of telling 248 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:52,000 when a play if a player is going to become 249 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,039 like a superstar. Like another guy you really popped off 250 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,120 was rope Hints his first couple of years and now 251 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,000 he's a pretty consistent point producer. And someone that I 252 00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:05,200 got my eye on now with this is Matty Beniers 253 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:08,960 because he was very good at He's it's a skill 254 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,559 he's very good at. He's very good at retrieving the 255 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,960 puck in the defensive zone and going coast to coast too, 256 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,679 and his Brookie year he was excellent last year not 257 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:20,960 so much, but these skills were still there and that 258 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,639 was something that I did a deep dive on on 259 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,480 my own time just to see what's going on with him. 260 00:13:25,799 --> 00:13:28,320 And this is part of where you can use the 261 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,399 all three zone stata to get a bigger picture of 262 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,559 the puzzle, of like the puzzle because of veneers, he's excellent, 263 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,799 like as excellent as his transition skills. Where his only 264 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:42,039 offense was off the rush. He wasn't getting any offense 265 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,480 off the cycle, he wasn't shooting the puck, he wasn't 266 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,840 creating chances on his own. So it just showed that 267 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:52,159 he has parts of his game that needed to be 268 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,399 worked on, and Seattle could also do a like a 269 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:57,679 better job of helping him out too, because Seattle wasn't 270 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,159 a good team off the cycle last year. They were 271 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:03,720 a rush only team. They couldn't really create any consistent offense. 272 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:10,559 So he went as the team went. And it goes 273 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,240 back to what I said earlier, but never being like 274 00:14:12,279 --> 00:14:14,720 a black and white situation because because it's like if 275 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,279 it means he's good at this, then he'll be great 276 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,480 at this, And sometimes it doesn't work like that. There's 277 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,679 compounding factors going on, and I'm not really I have 278 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:26,559 been keeping up with Seattle this year. I'm not really, 279 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,679 I'm not entirely sure how he's doing. But he's looked 280 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:31,919 pretty He's looked pretty much how he always has from 281 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,080 what I've seen so far. Early on, I'll have to 282 00:14:34,159 --> 00:14:36,840 do a check on him. But yeah, he's another guy 283 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,200 that I'm interested to follow as he gets, as he 284 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,919 gets further in his career. 285 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly they've undergone some changes there in Seattle, 286 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:47,879 haven't really had the team success to show it, and 287 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,639 Veneers is not getting on the scoreesheet, but that would 288 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:53,279 be very interesting because you just as a process thing 289 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:56,600 for you, you're not trying to keep up with these cracking 290 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,039 these games live. There's two dang much. Even if you 291 00:14:59,039 --> 00:15:00,840 did twenty four hours a day, you couldn't keep up. 292 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,039 So you catch up over the summer and everything like 293 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:06,200 that for last year's data to back populate the year. 294 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:09,879 Speaker 1: What I'm doing this year is I have a subscription 295 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,159 tiers on my website. What fans can do is they 296 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:17,799 can either purchase a normal subscription or you can purchase 297 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:23,759 a higher subscription, and I'll prioritize your favorite team and 298 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,679 there's a subscription where I'll track the game immediately after 299 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:28,840 it happens, I'll track everything at the end of the 300 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:32,879 month something like that, so fans of those teams can 301 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:36,559 have a more complete data sets and basically, like my 302 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:38,919 data can serve as like a de facto beat writer 303 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:42,559 for them. And I originally wanted to do some articles 304 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,200 every week, but it's very the date. Collecting the data 305 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,240 alone is very time consuming, especially with especially with a 306 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,559 one year old in the house too, so it's a 307 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,360 little So I was ambitious and like what I wanted 308 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,919 to do with what I wanted to do with this 309 00:15:57,039 --> 00:15:59,799 early on, but I settled on to something that works 310 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:03,159 for now right now. I got five or six teams, 311 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:06,480 fans of teams subscribing right now. I believe it's Chicago, 312 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,320 Saint Louis, Tampa Bay, Seattle, Vancouver, And did I say 313 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,679 Tampa Bay, Dallas? 314 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 315 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: Dallas is the Allas? 316 00:16:16,039 --> 00:16:16,279 Speaker 3: Yeah? 317 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,919 Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, I got six teams that I'm following 318 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:22,639 right now and keeping up with on almost the nights 319 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:23,440 a night basis. 320 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, So if you're with one 321 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,120 of those teams, if you're already fan of one of 322 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:31,840 those teams. Man, time to jump in right now and 323 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:36,159 get out on those stats. But yeah, that is really cool. 324 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,919 So you've seen some Matty beniars this year, but you haven't. 325 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,120 You don't have a sense of whether he's gone with 326 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,559 more of his first year or his second year performance 327 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,600 at this point. A little early to jump in. 328 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still pretty early. And just like I'm going 329 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,080 off what I've seen, and I don't know when you watch. 330 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:54,159 There's a lot of stuff that I see and it's 331 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:57,399 hard to retain Sometimes it's hard to retain information when 332 00:16:57,399 --> 00:16:59,360 you're watching like as much as I do, so I 333 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,440 have to like really down and dive in. His offense 334 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,759 isn't really quite where it is the last few years, 335 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:07,000 shooting more, we're not passing as much below average in 336 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,559 terms of overall offense, So it's interesting to see what's 337 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,279 going on there. And as far as zone entries go, 338 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,240 which is bread and butter, he's taken a bit of 339 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,559 a step back. He's still carrying the puck in the 340 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,880 lot and not creating as many scoring chances. So something 341 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,880 fishy's going on there in Seattle. From what I've noticed, though, 342 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,839 it's Seattle's been a bit of an inconsistent team early on. 343 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,880 They were not getting any they there rush chances were. 344 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,759 They were just a weird team to watch overly noon 345 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:36,960 because they weren't getting an rush chances offf counterattacks early 346 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,440 like they were relying heavily uprated Montour to spark their 347 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,480 transition game, but they didn't have events done for half 348 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,680 the season two that that's a huge loss for It's 349 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,079 a huge loss for them. They don't really have a 350 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:49,599 guy who can didn't really have a guy who can 351 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,640 kick start their transition game and kind of quarterback things 352 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,799 at the point the way he can too, So that's 353 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,599 definitely so that definitely puts a hit on their offense. 354 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:01,279 But yeah, if they were going to anything off the rush, 355 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,119 it would have to be from a situation where they 356 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,880 can control things. If they would, it's like they'd have 357 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,480 to peel back regroups set it up from there, and 358 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,720 it's an effective way to create offense. It's just very 359 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:13,559 hard to accomplish if you don't have a horse's and 360 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:17,640 Seattle's kind of trying to get there. They have some guys. 361 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,759 I've always been high on Barakovski. I know they brought 362 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:22,920 in Stevenson to be that guy. To do it. It's 363 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,400 Tanev's a very good guy on the third line. But 364 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:28,839 so they took a big hit on that recent road trip, 365 00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:31,559 but they're starting to climb out of it. They've played 366 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:35,200 some not so great teams at home here recently starting 367 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,880 to get back on the starting to get back on 368 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,599 a winning streak. So we'll see. 369 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, how weird this team. One of the things that 370 00:18:43,279 --> 00:18:45,920 they were famous for a while was nobody got the 371 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,559 minutes on the forward end. They had such equal lines 372 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,640 near the top. Now this year's you thought maybe with 373 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,000 the changes they might be a little bit different, but actually, 374 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,000 somehow Chandler Stevenson is getting over twenty minutes a night. 375 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,200 Benears is the second Eyes forward seventeen, twenty two and nine, 376 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,960 So I don't know what's going on with those minutes. 377 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,480 But anyway, I mean, yeah, I don't know. 378 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:09,039 Speaker 1: Like they're like every game I've watched their best player, 379 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,440 their best forward has been every then they're he's been 380 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,319 like their most effective forward. They always have. They have 381 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,279 guys who are good at certain things. They just don't 382 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:21,640 have a lot of guys who are very complete except 383 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,640 for Jane Schwartz, who is like a who's a I 384 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,720 mean I say this, it sounds like a knock, but 385 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:30,480 I say he's a B plus player and everything. Hey, yeah, 386 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,039 like excellent player to have in your lineup. He can't 387 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:36,119 be like he can't be like your one guy going 388 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,720 every night though, Like you're not gonna win a lot 389 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:39,119 of games. 390 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: If that's the case, Hey man, you can you can 391 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,880 live pretty well on B plus'es. B pluss gets you 392 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,440 foreign life actually, but yeah, okay. There were some questions 393 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:51,440 that came in from some of our readers. A couple 394 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,359 of guys were mentioned anyway, and I'm going to bring 395 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,920 them up. One of them was Robert Thomas. In his 396 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,359 h he's a big playmaker. He gets lots of points, 397 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,880 doesn't take many shots, take a more than he used to. 398 00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:03,960 What is your assessment of him through your cards and 399 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,720 some of the stuff like that, is is Thomas in 400 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:09,599 a sustainable position or what do you see when you 401 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:10,359 look at his game. 402 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: He's been in the league for how many years now? 403 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:18,359 Six seven years now, and every single year he's one 404 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,519 of the leaders in hind dager passes and one of 405 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:25,039 the leaders in entries leading to scoring chances. An extremely 406 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,160 high volume passer, his shooting goes up and down like 407 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,200 he's been. He's been more of a I'm only going 408 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:35,039 to shoot if I'm wide open and nobody's around me 409 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:37,880 and I'm set up perfectly, and Blewis play that or 410 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,400 they did play that system anyway when Berube was there, 411 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,079 so he was perfect for that. But he's he's consistently 412 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,319 been just a elead driver of offense, and like I 413 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,519 mentioned earlier with Seattle, as like a team that likes 414 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:54,240 to control the play or make those slow, really developing 415 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:57,519 plays to create off the rush. He's always been one 416 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:00,839 of the best at that, at least like in my data, 417 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,680 and that's why the Blues had such like a If 418 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,200 you remember a few years ago with the Blues, I 419 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,039 had that ridiculous season out of nowhere. They're one of 420 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,880 the highest scoring teams in the league. He was a 421 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,200 leader of that with Cayrou and that they had a 422 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,480 crazy season out of terras Nanko too. But I guess 423 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,920 the it's a hard It's hard for your entire team 424 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:26,359 to consistently play like that and get results on a 425 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,839 night's and night base or on a year to year basis, 426 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,720 and I think that's what the Blues figured out the 427 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:35,319 hard way. But Thomas like alone, he's pretty reliable on 428 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:35,839 that front. 429 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great and the high danger passes what to 430 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,839 look for there? And yeah, who how many players? Well, 431 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,720 maybe lots of players, but under a shot and a 432 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,039 half a game, and yet or for his career and 433 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,279 yet point eight points per game over the course of 434 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:56,200 his career. He's a sixty point player over the course 435 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,480 all the way back to his rookie season. And he 436 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:01,759 takes less than a shot. That tells you he can 437 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:05,720 set up some goals. Another guy who you were complimented 438 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,839 on in some of our questions, Connor McMichael of the 439 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,119 Washington Capitals, was a guy who had been liked by 440 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,960 you as a potential breakout this year, and obviously he's 441 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,200 had a great start to the year. What have you 442 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:20,640 seen with McMichael. 443 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, McMichael I was impressed with when the Caps first 444 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,680 called him up a couple of years ago. I think 445 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,599 Laby was still the coach there. But he was a 446 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,079 guy when he was a guy that just didn't look 447 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,440 out of place in the NHL, which is ironic because 448 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,079 I think they sent him down a year later and 449 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,400 he didn't come back until last year. But he just 450 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,480 got it. He didn't look out of place. He wasn't 451 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,519 afraid to make plays, he wasn't afraid to carry the plot, 452 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:49,720 play the kind of game that he succeeded in in junior. 453 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:53,519 He back checks like a demon. He's really fast, and 454 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,519 this year he just looks like he's leveled up in 455 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:58,720 every category. I watched that game against the Rangers a 456 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,480 couple of weeks ago, and he looked like Superstar. He 457 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,440 just looked unstoppable. And I don't know, I feel like 458 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,480 this is just him finally being put in like a 459 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:09,759 position to where a position to succeed a position that's 460 00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:11,480 higher in the lineup. I thought he was one of 461 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:13,599 their better guys in the playoffs last year too, in 462 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,759 that series where they got whitewashed. But uh yeah, he's 463 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:20,759 just very He's very good at creating offense. He's a 464 00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:24,440 very good I guess what. I guess One thing that 465 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,759 really helps his case is he's a very good chance creator. 466 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:30,240 He's very good at gain in between the circles without 467 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,480 relying on like having to go to the net for 468 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,480 tips and jam plays constantly. He can just get himself 469 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:42,559 open without getting like crosschecked and destroyed. So he like, 470 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:44,240 I'm not sure if he's like completely there yet as 471 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:47,880 far as like a complete player is, but he's his 472 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,920 offensive skills are phenomenal, and I think that's gonna really 473 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,559 I think that's really going to help him be a 474 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,599 guy that helps swash he's and navigate this little retool 475 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,559 era that got going on. 476 00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: Now, that's tremendous, that's tremendous. All Right, we're going to 477 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,200 take a brief break. We're going to come back and 478 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:20,039 get some ideas on players directly from Corey. All Right, Corey, 479 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,279 I've shared with you some of the questions, but I 480 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:25,000 know what my listeners are hoping for. And you brought 481 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,200 up Matty beIN here. So we got some good observations 482 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,119 there and a couple that people had curiosities about. But 483 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,640 what metrics might suggest, for example, inflated scoring totals for 484 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,720 somebody who could regress a little bit as somebody who 485 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,799 maybe had a career season, but you don't think some 486 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,160 of those underlying stats that you're tracking necessarily matches up 487 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,599 to Are there any players who you think might fit 488 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,519 that kind of category. 489 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: One of the obvious ones I can think of is 490 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,319 Tara Senko A few years ago. It was a guy 491 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,319 who was it was a guy who's like supremely talented, 492 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,279 how the ability to bounce back as he had a 493 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:02,720 couple of tough seats before then, but a ton of 494 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,839 his goals that year we're off being were set up 495 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,680 from high danger passes and saying up high danger passes 496 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,400 an elite rate. That's a repeatable skill, but getting shots 497 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,799 of high danger passes isn't necessarily as reliable from year 498 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:20,680 to year. And high danger passes there's only like a 499 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,400 few of them that happened per game. It's a hard 500 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:27,279 game to play year after year if you're gonna if 501 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,000 it's a hard game to play like year after year. 502 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:33,000 And I'm always suspicious of like defensemen who have great 503 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,440 like great underlying stats, great on ice data. I don't 504 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,359 know defensemen who have great on ice data, but they're 505 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,279 not necessarily great in any category as it pertains to 506 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,039 zone entry defense or breaking the puck out or anything 507 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,559 like that, because that kind of suggests to me that 508 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,440 they're being carried by teammates to a teammates or the 509 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,880 system a little bit. This year it's Jack Roslovic and Carolina. 510 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,319 He's he's got nine goals, and I think almost all 511 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,440 of them were set up by Aho or specially Cough. 512 00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Russell bitch. It's always suspicious when somebody 513 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,759 has that many goals and not quite so much over 514 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,119 on the assist side of the ledger. So yeah, I 515 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,200 don't hopefully people aren't buying high right now on Jack Russelvich. 516 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,279 But is that that's interesting though? So one of the 517 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,519 things you look for in Tara Senko was the number 518 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:21,880 of goals he was converting off high danger passes. So 519 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,559 that's a potential trouble sign. We find one on another 520 00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:27,200 one of your players. If you see most of their 521 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,079 shots are going in off high danger, is that a 522 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,960 potential indicator of unsustainable performance. 523 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the conversion rate off of them 524 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:39,519 is what the is the most like alarming thing because 525 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:42,599 you can expect somebody that's a high end chance creator 526 00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:46,240 or a high end shooter to sustain that over the years. 527 00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:49,200 Mark Scheifey or somebody like that, he's always been a 528 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,039 high end shooter just from creating on his own, through 529 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,559 his own entries, through his own give and go type 530 00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:57,759 of plays that he runs a lot. But somebody that's 531 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:02,640 somebody that's only benefiting the passes and let's just say 532 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,960 that's the only chances. And also it's not in data 533 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,240 that I track exactly, but sometimes I'll see a guy 534 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,200 who has an okay chance rate and twenty goals like 535 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,839 Tanner Jo a few years ago, because that just tells 536 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,880 me he's getting a very lucky off jamming and rebounds 537 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,200 and just tip plays, which like, yeah, you want somebody 538 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,160 to do that, but you can't expect them to do 539 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,880 that year rep year over year. 540 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's good. So that's one of the areas 541 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:29,480 that people can look for, is the conversions off the 542 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:31,519 high danger. Are there any other metrics that you look 543 00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,559 at and you say, this guy's kind of getting lucky 544 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,079 or is that the main one? 545 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: I would say those are the main ones. I also 546 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,160 look at like how many times they're getting set up 547 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,680 on one timer's deflection assists too. That's a big one 548 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,720 because deflections are very deflections are a high percentage shot 549 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,559 when they hit the net. It's just fifty to fifty 550 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,920 that they hit the net. So that's the issue with them. 551 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,279 And I also sometimes I look at the environment of 552 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,000 players in too, because let's just say they're on Caroline, 553 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,400 I know, or a team that runs a lot of high, 554 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,119 low to high offense and a lot of point shots 555 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,400 with a lot of deflections. I think the results there 556 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,960 are very they're very streaky year over year. So if 557 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,279 you have a team, if you have a team that 558 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:16,440 doesn't create a lot off the rush, and they create 559 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,960 a lot off the load to high plays, it means 560 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,119 they're going to do a lot of rebounds, a lot 561 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,920 of very volatile what I call volatile offense because they're 562 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,720 going for high percentage plays. It's just that it's fifty 563 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,400 to fifty whether or not they hit the net or not. 564 00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,240 So they're going to run hot for a little bit. 565 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,920 But they're also going to fall victim to a lot 566 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,079 of colt snaps, which a lot of teams like that 567 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,680 kind of run into. 568 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: All right, very cool. So you've been watching obviously tons 569 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,599 of hockey so far this year. Are there players who've 570 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,799 impressed you as potential breakouts? Players who suddenly it's looking 571 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:53,680 like they're doing things that they hadn't been doing in 572 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400 the past when you were tracking them and so forth. 573 00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,039 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a few. I feel like it's cheating 574 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,200 to say Logan's stink because he was so good in 575 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,119 the playoffs in the back half of last year, but 576 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,680 that I don't know. Dallas is like top players to 577 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:08,599 go off to a sluggish start this year, but it 578 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,799 hasn't mattered at all because Stankovin and Stankovin, Matt Duchane 579 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,160 and Tyler Sagan are carrying the load there. This one's 580 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400 an interesting case because he's got three points in the season. 581 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,920 But Connor Geeky in Tampa Bay has been really impressive 582 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,720 at times and he's been a ghost at others. But 583 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,559 he's also been used a little bit around the He's 584 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:30,519 he's been used all over the lineup because he was 585 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,920 at center at there. He was centering the third line 586 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,039 at first, and he wasn't really doing much there, but 587 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,559 then they moved him up to Sarelli and Hegel's line, 588 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,000 and you can see like the skills that got him 589 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,839 drafted so high there. He's really good off the rush, 590 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,759 very good at leading the rush, positioned positioning to like 591 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,480 get himself open, really good at getting to the net, 592 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,799 creating really good plays if he's got the skilled linemates 593 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,720 to go with him. It's just that hasn't really translated 594 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,039 the points just yet. It's shown in some of my data. 595 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:00,519 He's been very good at he's been I learned about 596 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,160 Nears was last year really good at transition, fairly good 597 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,079 at creating zone entries and chances off zone entries. But 598 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,400 his overall offense isn't great right now. So I'm interested 599 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640 to see what he looks like later in the season 600 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,000 and especially next year, because sometimes it takes a year 601 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,200 or two for these things to start to show. 602 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: Perfect. Yeah, yeah, okay, Logan stink Covin is well known. 603 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:25,720 But that's interesting. I saw you were tweeting about Duchhane. 604 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:29,000 Was it just yesterday and how dominant he had been 605 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:30,640 in one of the last games. 606 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday, Yeah, yesterday against Boston. He was cooking like 607 00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:37,599 he was the best player on the ice that game. 608 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,759 Speaker 2: Oh man, nobody tell Nashville fans that happened. They just 609 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:46,319 don't need to know. So what about the flip side 610 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:48,119 of that? Who are some guys we talked about the 611 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,640 unsustainable performances, but who's on the downslide? Maybe people don't 612 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160 realize yet from some of the stats that you're looking at, 613 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,200 who were starting to look a lot worse maybe than 614 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,000 they were in the past. 615 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: In your the one guy that really sticks out like 616 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,519 a sore thumb. Here is Ryan Nugent Hopkins. I haven't 617 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,640 tracked a ton of Whailers games this year, but he's 618 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,079 been just a ghost st at five on five, which 619 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,640 is it's a little surprising to me. I know he's 620 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,160 not I know he's forgotten among all the talent there, 621 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,440 but he's usually a very good He's usually a pretty 622 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,440 good five on five player, at least a decent five 623 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,359 on five player. I think Adam Lowery's going to cool 624 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,400 off a little bit in Winnipeg. I think Nata Ryder 625 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,519 is kind of carrying that, but he's kind of carrying 626 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:33,519 things there offensively. Let's see Tyler versus. He's had kind 627 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,839 of a miserable start in Chicago at five on five. 628 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,400 He's been a power play guy only there, and he's 629 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,519 looked a mess too in the games I've watched. Let's 630 00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,519 see someone that's surprising that I was expecting a little 631 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:49,559 I always expected a little more from this player, but 632 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,960 he's not exactly. I don't know how people feel of him, 633 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,279 because I know it's he was hyped up a few 634 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,599 years ago when he was a rookie. But Neil's hoglinder 635 00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,480 in Vanco. He was somebody that impressed really early on, 636 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240 like the first two or three seasons when he was 637 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,160 in the league, really impressive in the stats that attract, 638 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,480 really good transition player of really good chance creator, really 639 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:15,039 good passer. The last couple of years he's really just 640 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,680 taken a nose dive. And I know Vancouver fans aren't 641 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,000 really happy about the way he's used there his deployment. 642 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:27,039 But this year he's been a really bad spot and 643 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,720 the yeah, I don't know if Peterson is in the 644 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:32,880 bad spot now, Like he's been okay, but he's not 645 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,680 like in that elite territory where people expect him to be. 646 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,960 But Petterson's always Peterson's never really been a guy that's 647 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,000 impressed that much in the stats of that attract just 648 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:46,000 because he doesn't do a lot through volume. He just 649 00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,400 converts at a really high rate. So he's always been 650 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,480 a tough player to gauge, and especially like in that 651 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,279 environment in Vancouver where it's been just low event for 652 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:55,759 so long. 653 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, excellent. Yeah, not every not every great performance 654 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,039 is created the same way. So that's that makes perfect 655 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:08,200 sense that some people are succeeding one way or another. Yeah, 656 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,480 this is excellent stuff. This is some good scouting on 657 00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,160 a number of different players that I know that we're 658 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,480 all thinking about. I guess I'll just ask you where 659 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,440 where should people get all your stuff? No, join your Patreon, 660 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,440 follow you on X, follow you on Blue Sky? What 661 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,160 do you got going on? 662 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I've been tweeting, or it's not tweeting on 663 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,279 Blue Sky, I guess it's posting. But I've been posting 664 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,799 a lot of Blue Sky lately because that seems to 665 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,720 be where a lot of the hockey people are migrating. 666 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,559 And I'm at All three Zones there instead of shutdown Line, 667 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,799 so it's all three zones at Blue Sky. I'm also 668 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:43,480 at all three zones at Substack. I'm hopefully going to 669 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:45,519 have a post there on Monday, just doing a little 670 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:48,799 update on all my subscriber teams, do a little uh, 671 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,240 just do a little fifteen game check there for everybody. 672 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,960 And I'm also at Twitter at shutdown Line all three zones. 673 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Dot Com is the hub for all my data and 674 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,519 everything like that. That's where you that's where you can 675 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,160 buy a subscription and where all my data is housed too. 676 00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,799 And I got the two I got the twenty four 677 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,480 to twenty five data pretty early this year, just because 678 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,599 I've been getting a decent sample from the subscriber teams 679 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,880 getting prioritized. So everything's a little ahead of schedule this year. 680 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,559 I'd like to get more. I like to get a 681 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:23,360 bigger sample of some other teams, but pretty happy of 682 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,639 where things are at right now, though. 683 00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 684 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: Well that's excellent. Man, you're up. You got a lot 685 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,719 of things up in the air. You do a stubstack 686 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,800 and a Patreon and a website and multiple social media presences. 687 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,679 Speaker 1: Holy Tomy Fair, I haven't posted on the substack a month, 688 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,440 but I've been meetings here the past week. It just 689 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,920 hasn't really, I just have not really had the time. 690 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 2: I got you, I gotcha. That's great stuff, Corey. I 691 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,639 really appreciate your dialogue, and I always appreciate following your 692 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,480 your tweets, your posts as they come out there. There's 693 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,480 always some great entertainment and some enjoyable stuff. And I 694 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,039 appreciate your love to Joe Beneratti that you put out 695 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,400 on X yesterday because he's my fabe. All right. Thank 696 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,519 you so much for coming on, Corey, and good luck 697 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:10,599 and tracking and watching those games this year. 698 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. 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