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Speaker 2: We'll take a brief break. On the other side, the
meat bag, Jesse will interview our guest. I really want
to thank our yesterday for coming on. It's Corey Snyder
on the shutdown line out there on x and the purveyor,
the founder, the man behind all three zones the website. Corey,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Hey man, We've really appreciate having you on because you
do some great stats stuff out there and really very
useful to our listeners. Who are digging into the stats
every day of hockey for their fantasy purposes. But all
three Zones is your site. I'm wondering, Corey, if you
could start by letting people know, if there are people
here who aren't aware of it, what that site is,
where it came from.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I guess so the majority what I do
is I watch a lot of NHL and other hockey
games and collect what's known as micro stats, which basically
stats that aren't available like through the website, through NHL
dot com or like the normal play by play sheets
or anything like that. So the main things that I
collect are passes or shots, setups in particular to like
judge playmaking or great playmaking skills of certain players. And
I also I also track certain passes like once from
behind the net, cross slot passes, stretch passes, things like that.
I track where the passes come from, like the neutral zone,
offensive zone, whether it's off the rush or off the
fore check, basically breaking the game down into all sorts
of different situations, all sorts of situations in scenarios to
get a really closer look of what happens during the game,
to figure out who's driving play and who's who might
be undervalued, who might be really driving the bus on
certain teams and whatnot. But and the real thrill thing
is it's just a different scope of a game and
a lot of people. It's something I did on my
own time for a little bit, and then more people
were interested in it just because it's a different way
to watch a hockey game. It's a different lens of
watching things. People have told me they pick up on
things they don't notice before, like defensemen breakouts and such
things like that, like through my work. So it's been
cool to see the project grow over the last few years.
Speaker 2: Was it related at all to the stuff Ryan Stimpson
used to do with his passing project?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What I did first was I collected zone entry
data based off ver Tulsky's work in zone X sets
off my own data, and then Ryan was doing passing
and I started tracking that for I started tracking that
in addition, like based pretty much based pretty heavily on
his work, and I was weird working together for a
little bit. He's doing his own thing now. I think
he's working outside of hockey right now, So I'm just
carrying the torch at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, outstand it Yeah, I just wanted to say, because
back in twenty fourteen fifteen, I was tracking Washington capitals
for him. I remember those days. Finally, but yeah, so
all this data goes in and I know people we'll
probably have or could if they look up shut down
Line see the cards that you create on X for
individual players. It gives a good sense of maybe what's
going on with those players. Can you give a sense
to people what sort of information you find to be
most useful on these cards that you're creating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it depends on the player, and like
what you're looking at, Like, I'll go to the default
page right now, it's Matt Barzal. Matt Barzal's card. You'll
see a lot of blue bars. Mean he's good at
a lot of things. And I guess the biggest thing
I try to stress with the player cards is not
to get too overwhelmed because there's a lot of data
on these cards, and a lot of them are breaking
down completely different parts in the game. With barzl he's
very With Barzil, you'll see a very thick blue bar
under shot assists for playmaking chance assists, but a lower
blue bar on shots and chance creation. On his own,
so studying up chances he's elite, but creating chances on
his own he's a little closer to the league average.
And creating shots and other like certain shot categories. A
few columns down, you'll see that he creates a lot
of his chance. He creates a lot of his offense
off the cycle rather than off the rush, so that's
a little interesting. And he has a little some of
his more detailed shot data like rebounds, one timers and
shots off high danger passes. That's a little more further
in the reds. So it speaks that he's excellent at
setting up his teammates, but his teammates don't do a
great job as setting him up, or maybe he doesn't
do the best job of getting open one thing or
another like that. So I guess a big thing I
try to stress with the player cards is it's never
a black and white situation. That could be a lot
of different things going on as to what leads to
the final results. So it's easy to get confused and lost,
but there's definitely some key points to hammering on, and
you can get a skuppell what's going on with the player?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's extremely cool. Yeah, every one of the
categories has that red to blue line going all the
way to the left or all the way to the right.
And there's so many different categories, and of course I'm
sure you would be the first to say not all
those categories are created equal, but it's useful to see
which ones of them are to the positive or to
the negative. And at Barzol, poor guy. It's tough to
be an islander. Sometimes I think you're getting yourself set up.
But are there things, I know, what sorts of things
do you think don't necessarily get captured as well? Or
you're not trying to capture Nobody said you have to
capture every single thing in hockey or that everything is
translatable from the data that we can most easily quantify.
Are the things that don't necessarily fall into this stuff
that you don't make claims about.
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say, like past quality is
something that this project does to a good job of
kind of shedding some light on showing who like the
high level playmakers are, because like, I feel like there's
been more of an emphasis not necessarily I mean, I
guess it's shock quality. At the end of the day,
I keep using that phrase because it's a catchall term
to throw away some not so it's I don't know,
I feel like some teams just use it to excuse
some poor results. But there is more of a focus
now on limiting teams to the perimeter and trying to
make the most out of your limited possessions. Like kind
of we saw on this in the final last year
of Florida, because I mean think dominated to play territorially,
but Florida when they got the puck, they were creating
some very good looks off of it, especially off counterattacks
and off the rush. I think that's something that the
Project does a good job of kind of shedding some
light on where I do think things that I could
do better at is judging me grading defense is something
that I don't thinking. I'm never going to It's never
going to be perfect. It'll take too much, too many
man hours to really do show how good defensemen are
taking away space. That's hard. That's especially hard to do
on a broadcast feed because you can't really tell. You
can't really tell how much space like they're giving a forward,
especially like with the especially with like stick checks and
how the forward is protecting the pucket things like that,
so i'd have to zero in on my own categories
and kind of show, like which results they lead to.
With defense, I started tracking what I started tracking puck
retrievals a couple of years ago. So basically it's linked
to zone exits and breakouts, but it's where the zone
exit starts and it's the player that goes back to
get the puck, and basically I mark whether or not
he retrieves the puck or turns it over or gets
knocked off it and there's a change of possession. So
that kind of shows so like to me, that kind
of or when I tested the results, it linked up
with defense pretty well with limiting shots, especially with limiting chances.
But the thing is, sometimes there's players that aren't great
at this certain thing that are good defenders. I don't know,
it's never going to be perfect in my opinion, so
especially since like you're grading one player, there's four other
guys on the ice that can pick up for some
of the faults that they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mean to be that guy who five
minutes into the interview says, what are the things your
model's not good at? As you've done this amazing thing.
It's always important for people to understand what they should
be getting out of it, what the most important things
are they're getting out of it, and what it captures.
Because you're right, there's so many different ways that people
can succeed and fail that don't necessarily map easily to
the types of notches that we can observe. But this
is an amazing start. I know a lot of our
listeners are it's primarily a dynasty fantasy hockey podcast, but
these you get fifty or you get seventy points a year,
that's a huge deal to us. That's a couple of
events that happen on the ice in actuality. Are there
things that you think you pick up on these reports
that are maybe leading indicators for those box score stats
that we all love so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say shot us to serve pretty big one.
That's a pretty player. That is a player that's good
at site of teammates, He's going to be conser distantly
good at that. Over the years, that's a pretty reliable,
consistent stat. It always has been high danger passes. That's
also at least the players on like the high end,
like your Patrick Kanes, your Robert Thomas's those guys are
always going to be good at that. Dylan Strom's another
guy who's been sneaky good at that over the years,
and it's he's always been an okay point producer, but
this year it's started to take off a lot more.
So it could just be that could just be like
that could just be like, I don't know, ice time
going up things like that too. But another thing, one
of the one stat that's really consistent with point production
that I've noticed over the years is controlled entries leading
to scoring chances, because a lot of the players good
at that are the ones that really pop off. This
is something that Jack Hughes was really good at his
first couple of years when he wasn't producing points, and
then like his third year, it just took off, like
they started getting some better talent around him. He got stronger,
he got better at shooting the puck mainly, and that
really took off for him and McKinnon. That was another
thing hit like really early in his career, because if
you remember, he wasn't like a superstar level player until
like the year four or five in his career, I
think something like that. But then it took off and
he has a look back since and that's another although
some of the results are a little frush frustrating too,
because that is a skill that Matt Barzal is very
good at too. He's one of the best players in
the league and has been consistently. But with him, a
lot of it just comes down to power play production.
Like it even strength is production has always been pretty good,
but the power play production hasn't been there, and like
his skills at even strength don't really translate to the
power play for whatever reason, or they hadn't in recent seasons,
So there are some holes there too, but on but
overall it does it's a pretty good gauge of telling
when a play if a player is going to become
like a superstar. Like another guy you really popped off
was rope Hints his first couple of years and now
he's a pretty consistent point producer. And someone that I
got my eye on now with this is Matty Beniers
because he was very good at He's it's a skill
he's very good at. He's very good at retrieving the
puck in the defensive zone and going coast to coast too,
and his Brookie year he was excellent last year not
so much, but these skills were still there and that
was something that I did a deep dive on on
my own time just to see what's going on with him.
And this is part of where you can use the
all three zone stata to get a bigger picture of
the puzzle, of like the puzzle because of veneers, he's excellent,
like as excellent as his transition skills. Where his only
offense was off the rush. He wasn't getting any offense
off the cycle, he wasn't shooting the puck, he wasn't
creating chances on his own. So it just showed that
he has parts of his game that needed to be
worked on, and Seattle could also do a like a
better job of helping him out too, because Seattle wasn't
a good team off the cycle last year. They were
a rush only team. They couldn't really create any consistent offense.
So he went as the team went. And it goes
back to what I said earlier, but never being like
a black and white situation because because it's like if
it means he's good at this, then he'll be great
at this, And sometimes it doesn't work like that. There's
compounding factors going on, and I'm not really I have
been keeping up with Seattle this year. I'm not really,
I'm not entirely sure how he's doing. But he's looked
pretty He's looked pretty much how he always has from
what I've seen so far. Early on, I'll have to
do a check on him. But yeah, he's another guy
that I'm interested to follow as he gets, as he
gets further in his career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly they've undergone some changes there in Seattle,
haven't really had the team success to show it, and
Veneers is not getting on the scoreesheet, but that would
be very interesting because you just as a process thing
for you, you're not trying to keep up with these cracking
these games live. There's two dang much. Even if you
did twenty four hours a day, you couldn't keep up.
So you catch up over the summer and everything like
that for last year's data to back populate the year.
Speaker 1: What I'm doing this year is I have a subscription
tiers on my website. What fans can do is they
can either purchase a normal subscription or you can purchase
a higher subscription, and I'll prioritize your favorite team and
there's a subscription where I'll track the game immediately after
it happens, I'll track everything at the end of the
month something like that, so fans of those teams can
have a more complete data sets and basically, like my
data can serve as like a de facto beat writer
for them. And I originally wanted to do some articles
every week, but it's very the date. Collecting the data
alone is very time consuming, especially with especially with a
one year old in the house too, so it's a
little So I was ambitious and like what I wanted
to do with what I wanted to do with this
early on, but I settled on to something that works
for now right now. I got five or six teams,
fans of teams subscribing right now. I believe it's Chicago,
Saint Louis, Tampa Bay, Seattle, Vancouver, And did I say
Tampa Bay, Dallas?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Dallas is the Allas?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, I got six teams that I'm following
right now and keeping up with on almost the nights
a night basis.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, So if you're with one
of those teams, if you're already fan of one of
those teams. Man, time to jump in right now and
get out on those stats. But yeah, that is really cool.
So you've seen some Matty beniars this year, but you haven't.
You don't have a sense of whether he's gone with
more of his first year or his second year performance
at this point. A little early to jump in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still pretty early. And just like I'm going
off what I've seen, and I don't know when you watch.
There's a lot of stuff that I see and it's
hard to retain Sometimes it's hard to retain information when
you're watching like as much as I do, so I
have to like really down and dive in. His offense
isn't really quite where it is the last few years,
shooting more, we're not passing as much below average in
terms of overall offense, So it's interesting to see what's
going on there. And as far as zone entries go,
which is bread and butter, he's taken a bit of
a step back. He's still carrying the puck in the
lot and not creating as many scoring chances. So something
fishy's going on there in Seattle. From what I've noticed, though,
it's Seattle's been a bit of an inconsistent team early on.
They were not getting any they there rush chances were.
They were just a weird team to watch overly noon
because they weren't getting an rush chances offf counterattacks early
like they were relying heavily uprated Montour to spark their
transition game, but they didn't have events done for half
the season two that that's a huge loss for It's
a huge loss for them. They don't really have a
guy who can didn't really have a guy who can
kick start their transition game and kind of quarterback things
at the point the way he can too, So that's
definitely so that definitely puts a hit on their offense.
But yeah, if they were going to anything off the rush,
it would have to be from a situation where they
can control things. If they would, it's like they'd have
to peel back regroups set it up from there, and
it's an effective way to create offense. It's just very
hard to accomplish if you don't have a horse's and
Seattle's kind of trying to get there. They have some guys.
I've always been high on Barakovski. I know they brought
in Stevenson to be that guy. To do it. It's
Tanev's a very good guy on the third line. But
so they took a big hit on that recent road trip,
but they're starting to climb out of it. They've played
some not so great teams at home here recently starting
to get back on the starting to get back on
a winning streak. So we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how weird this team. One of the things that
they were famous for a while was nobody got the
minutes on the forward end. They had such equal lines
near the top. Now this year's you thought maybe with
the changes they might be a little bit different, but actually,
somehow Chandler Stevenson is getting over twenty minutes a night.
Benears is the second Eyes forward seventeen, twenty two and nine,
So I don't know what's going on with those minutes.
But anyway, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like they're like every game I've watched their best player,
their best forward has been every then they're he's been
like their most effective forward. They always have. They have
guys who are good at certain things. They just don't
have a lot of guys who are very complete except
for Jane Schwartz, who is like a who's a I
mean I say this, it sounds like a knock, but
I say he's a B plus player and everything. Hey, yeah,
like excellent player to have in your lineup. He can't
be like he can't be like your one guy going
every night though, Like you're not gonna win a lot
of games.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, Hey man, you can you can
live pretty well on B plus'es. B pluss gets you
foreign life actually, but yeah, okay. There were some questions
that came in from some of our readers. A couple
of guys were mentioned anyway, and I'm going to bring
them up. One of them was Robert Thomas. In his
h he's a big playmaker. He gets lots of points,
doesn't take many shots, take a more than he used to.
What is your assessment of him through your cards and
some of the stuff like that, is is Thomas in
a sustainable position or what do you see when you
look at his game.
Speaker 1: He's been in the league for how many years now?
Six seven years now, and every single year he's one
of the leaders in hind dager passes and one of
the leaders in entries leading to scoring chances. An extremely
high volume passer, his shooting goes up and down like
he's been. He's been more of a I'm only going
to shoot if I'm wide open and nobody's around me
and I'm set up perfectly, and Blewis play that or
they did play that system anyway when Berube was there,
so he was perfect for that. But he's he's consistently
been just a elead driver of offense, and like I
mentioned earlier with Seattle, as like a team that likes
to control the play or make those slow, really developing
plays to create off the rush. He's always been one
of the best at that, at least like in my data,
and that's why the Blues had such like a If
you remember a few years ago with the Blues, I
had that ridiculous season out of nowhere. They're one of
the highest scoring teams in the league. He was a
leader of that with Cayrou and that they had a
crazy season out of terras Nanko too. But I guess
the it's a hard It's hard for your entire team
to consistently play like that and get results on a
night's and night base or on a year to year basis,
and I think that's what the Blues figured out the
hard way. But Thomas like alone, he's pretty reliable on
that front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great and the high danger passes what to
look for there? And yeah, who how many players? Well,
maybe lots of players, but under a shot and a
half a game, and yet or for his career and
yet point eight points per game over the course of
his career. He's a sixty point player over the course
all the way back to his rookie season. And he
takes less than a shot. That tells you he can
set up some goals. Another guy who you were complimented
on in some of our questions, Connor McMichael of the
Washington Capitals, was a guy who had been liked by
you as a potential breakout this year, and obviously he's
had a great start to the year. What have you
seen with McMichael.
Speaker 1: Yeah, McMichael I was impressed with when the Caps first
called him up a couple of years ago. I think
Laby was still the coach there. But he was a
guy when he was a guy that just didn't look
out of place in the NHL, which is ironic because
I think they sent him down a year later and
he didn't come back until last year. But he just
got it. He didn't look out of place. He wasn't
afraid to make plays, he wasn't afraid to carry the plot,
play the kind of game that he succeeded in in junior.
He back checks like a demon. He's really fast, and
this year he just looks like he's leveled up in
every category. I watched that game against the Rangers a
couple of weeks ago, and he looked like Superstar. He
just looked unstoppable. And I don't know, I feel like
this is just him finally being put in like a
position to where a position to succeed a position that's
higher in the lineup. I thought he was one of
their better guys in the playoffs last year too, in
that series where they got whitewashed. But uh yeah, he's
just very He's very good at creating offense. He's a
very good I guess what. I guess One thing that
really helps his case is he's a very good chance creator.
He's very good at gain in between the circles without
relying on like having to go to the net for
tips and jam plays constantly. He can just get himself
open without getting like crosschecked and destroyed. So he like,
I'm not sure if he's like completely there yet as
far as like a complete player is, but he's his
offensive skills are phenomenal, and I think that's gonna really
I think that's really going to help him be a
guy that helps swash he's and navigate this little retool
era that got going on.
Speaker 2: Now, that's tremendous, that's tremendous. All Right, we're going to
take a brief break. We're going to come back and
get some ideas on players directly from Corey. All Right, Corey,
I've shared with you some of the questions, but I
know what my listeners are hoping for. And you brought
up Matty beIN here. So we got some good observations
there and a couple that people had curiosities about. But
what metrics might suggest, for example, inflated scoring totals for
somebody who could regress a little bit as somebody who
maybe had a career season, but you don't think some
of those underlying stats that you're tracking necessarily matches up
to Are there any players who you think might fit
that kind of category.
Speaker 1: One of the obvious ones I can think of is
Tara Senko A few years ago. It was a guy
who was it was a guy who's like supremely talented,
how the ability to bounce back as he had a
couple of tough seats before then, but a ton of
his goals that year we're off being were set up
from high danger passes and saying up high danger passes
an elite rate. That's a repeatable skill, but getting shots
of high danger passes isn't necessarily as reliable from year
to year. And high danger passes there's only like a
few of them that happened per game. It's a hard
game to play year after year if you're gonna if
it's a hard game to play like year after year.
And I'm always suspicious of like defensemen who have great
like great underlying stats, great on ice data. I don't
know defensemen who have great on ice data, but they're
not necessarily great in any category as it pertains to
zone entry defense or breaking the puck out or anything
like that, because that kind of suggests to me that
they're being carried by teammates to a teammates or the
system a little bit. This year it's Jack Roslovic and Carolina.
He's he's got nine goals, and I think almost all
of them were set up by Aho or specially Cough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Russell bitch. It's always suspicious when somebody
has that many goals and not quite so much over
on the assist side of the ledger. So yeah, I
don't hopefully people aren't buying high right now on Jack Russelvich.
But is that that's interesting though? So one of the
things you look for in Tara Senko was the number
of goals he was converting off high danger passes. So
that's a potential trouble sign. We find one on another
one of your players. If you see most of their
shots are going in off high danger, is that a
potential indicator of unsustainable performance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the conversion rate off of them
is what the is the most like alarming thing because
you can expect somebody that's a high end chance creator
or a high end shooter to sustain that over the years.
Mark Scheifey or somebody like that, he's always been a
high end shooter just from creating on his own, through
his own entries, through his own give and go type
of plays that he runs a lot. But somebody that's
somebody that's only benefiting the passes and let's just say
that's the only chances. And also it's not in data
that I track exactly, but sometimes I'll see a guy
who has an okay chance rate and twenty goals like
Tanner Jo a few years ago, because that just tells
me he's getting a very lucky off jamming and rebounds
and just tip plays, which like, yeah, you want somebody
to do that, but you can't expect them to do
that year rep year over year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's good. So that's one of the areas
that people can look for, is the conversions off the
high danger. Are there any other metrics that you look
at and you say, this guy's kind of getting lucky
or is that the main one?
Speaker 1: I would say those are the main ones. I also
look at like how many times they're getting set up
on one timer's deflection assists too. That's a big one
because deflections are very deflections are a high percentage shot
when they hit the net. It's just fifty to fifty
that they hit the net. So that's the issue with them.
And I also sometimes I look at the environment of
players in too, because let's just say they're on Caroline,
I know, or a team that runs a lot of high,
low to high offense and a lot of point shots
with a lot of deflections. I think the results there
are very they're very streaky year over year. So if
you have a team, if you have a team that
doesn't create a lot off the rush, and they create
a lot off the load to high plays, it means
they're going to do a lot of rebounds, a lot
of very volatile what I call volatile offense because they're
going for high percentage plays. It's just that it's fifty
to fifty whether or not they hit the net or not.
So they're going to run hot for a little bit.
But they're also going to fall victim to a lot
of colt snaps, which a lot of teams like that
kind of run into.
Speaker 2: All right, very cool. So you've been watching obviously tons
of hockey so far this year. Are there players who've
impressed you as potential breakouts? Players who suddenly it's looking
like they're doing things that they hadn't been doing in
the past when you were tracking them and so forth.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a few. I feel like it's cheating
to say Logan's stink because he was so good in
the playoffs in the back half of last year, but
that I don't know. Dallas is like top players to
go off to a sluggish start this year, but it
hasn't mattered at all because Stankovin and Stankovin, Matt Duchane
and Tyler Sagan are carrying the load there. This one's
an interesting case because he's got three points in the season.
But Connor Geeky in Tampa Bay has been really impressive
at times and he's been a ghost at others. But
he's also been used a little bit around the He's
he's been used all over the lineup because he was
at center at there. He was centering the third line
at first, and he wasn't really doing much there, but
then they moved him up to Sarelli and Hegel's line,
and you can see like the skills that got him
drafted so high there. He's really good off the rush,
very good at leading the rush, positioned positioning to like
get himself open, really good at getting to the net,
creating really good plays if he's got the skilled linemates
to go with him. It's just that hasn't really translated
the points just yet. It's shown in some of my data.
He's been very good at he's been I learned about
Nears was last year really good at transition, fairly good
at creating zone entries and chances off zone entries. But
his overall offense isn't great right now. So I'm interested
to see what he looks like later in the season
and especially next year, because sometimes it takes a year
or two for these things to start to show.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Yeah, yeah, okay, Logan stink Covin is well known.
But that's interesting. I saw you were tweeting about Duchhane.
Was it just yesterday and how dominant he had been
in one of the last games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday, Yeah, yesterday against Boston. He was cooking like
he was the best player on the ice that game.
Speaker 2: Oh man, nobody tell Nashville fans that happened. They just
don't need to know. So what about the flip side
of that? Who are some guys we talked about the
unsustainable performances, but who's on the downslide? Maybe people don't
realize yet from some of the stats that you're looking at,
who were starting to look a lot worse maybe than
they were in the past.
Speaker 1: In your the one guy that really sticks out like
a sore thumb. Here is Ryan Nugent Hopkins. I haven't
tracked a ton of Whailers games this year, but he's
been just a ghost st at five on five, which
is it's a little surprising to me. I know he's
not I know he's forgotten among all the talent there,
but he's usually a very good He's usually a pretty
good five on five player, at least a decent five
on five player. I think Adam Lowery's going to cool
off a little bit in Winnipeg. I think Nata Ryder
is kind of carrying that, but he's kind of carrying
things there offensively. Let's see Tyler versus. He's had kind
of a miserable start in Chicago at five on five.
He's been a power play guy only there, and he's
looked a mess too in the games I've watched. Let's
see someone that's surprising that I was expecting a little
I always expected a little more from this player, but
he's not exactly. I don't know how people feel of him,
because I know it's he was hyped up a few
years ago when he was a rookie. But Neil's hoglinder
in Vanco. He was somebody that impressed really early on,
like the first two or three seasons when he was
in the league, really impressive in the stats that attract,
really good transition player of really good chance creator, really
good passer. The last couple of years he's really just
taken a nose dive. And I know Vancouver fans aren't
really happy about the way he's used there his deployment.
But this year he's been a really bad spot and
the yeah, I don't know if Peterson is in the
bad spot now, Like he's been okay, but he's not
like in that elite territory where people expect him to be.
But Petterson's always Peterson's never really been a guy that's
impressed that much in the stats of that attract just
because he doesn't do a lot through volume. He just
converts at a really high rate. So he's always been
a tough player to gauge, and especially like in that
environment in Vancouver where it's been just low event for
so long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, excellent. Yeah, not every not every great performance
is created the same way. So that's that makes perfect
sense that some people are succeeding one way or another. Yeah,
this is excellent stuff. This is some good scouting on
a number of different players that I know that we're
all thinking about. I guess I'll just ask you where
where should people get all your stuff? No, join your Patreon,
follow you on X, follow you on Blue Sky? What
do you got going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I've been tweeting, or it's not tweeting on
Blue Sky, I guess it's posting. But I've been posting
a lot of Blue Sky lately because that seems to
be where a lot of the hockey people are migrating.
And I'm at All three Zones there instead of shutdown Line,
so it's all three zones at Blue Sky. I'm also
at all three zones at Substack. I'm hopefully going to
have a post there on Monday, just doing a little
update on all my subscriber teams, do a little uh,
just do a little fifteen game check there for everybody.
And I'm also at Twitter at shutdown Line all three zones.
Dot Com is the hub for all my data and
everything like that. That's where you that's where you can
buy a subscription and where all my data is housed too.
And I got the two I got the twenty four
to twenty five data pretty early this year, just because
I've been getting a decent sample from the subscriber teams
getting prioritized. So everything's a little ahead of schedule this year.
I'd like to get more. I like to get a
bigger sample of some other teams, but pretty happy of
where things are at right now, though.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that's excellent. Man, you're up. You got a lot
of things up in the air. You do a stubstack
and a Patreon and a website and multiple social media presences.
Speaker 1: Holy Tomy Fair, I haven't posted on the substack a month,
but I've been meetings here the past week. It just
hasn't really, I just have not really had the time.
Speaker 2: I got you, I gotcha. That's great stuff, Corey. I
really appreciate your dialogue, and I always appreciate following your
your tweets, your posts as they come out there. There's
always some great entertainment and some enjoyable stuff. And I
appreciate your love to Joe Beneratti that you put out
on X yesterday because he's my fabe. All right. Thank
you so much for coming on, Corey, and good luck
and tracking and watching those games this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks for having me.
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