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<v Speaker 1>I'm married to a buncle pap.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, we got better to conjoined in a subway shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, I'm married to a bunco.

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<v Speaker 3>To a buncle.

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<v Speaker 2>Amnin man, we got better conjoined in a.

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<v Speaker 4>Sub Oh yeah, what's up y'all? Welcome everybody. It's another

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<v Speaker 4>live stream, another open for him. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 4>I was getting a double feedback loop there, but we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna go ahead and just get into it as usual.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a little late. We're on dire time, which the

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<v Speaker 4>Hodge Twins said was ethnic time, their joke, not mine.

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<v Speaker 4>I would never make such a horrible gracist comment ever, ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 4>But hey, I'm have black. What can I say if

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<v Speaker 4>I show up thirty minutes late. I'm just being who

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<v Speaker 4>I am, And if you call me out, you're racist.

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<v Speaker 4>So chew on that bigot. Welcome everybody. We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>opening it up here in a little bit. There's the link.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me start this dumb ass Twitter space for all

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<v Speaker 4>these dumb asses to come in here and make all

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<v Speaker 4>their dumb ass argus. Miss yeah uh, there we go.

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<v Speaker 4>Gotta hear that sweet Elon music. They hear that sweet

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<v Speaker 4>Elon remix the met more the Elon remix and the

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<v Speaker 4>Meat More Meat More. Yes, of course you need esoteric

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<v Speaker 4>Hollywood through you need all of the esthetic Hollywood series.

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<v Speaker 5>My my, did I'm not include the I didn't include

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<v Speaker 5>the damn stream Labs link?

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<v Speaker 4>Mom, Mom, let me get you out of the Strength

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<v Speaker 4>the Strength Labs. By the way, I'm in joined my

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<v Speaker 4>reading of Max Blumenthal's book, it's a good compliment to

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<v Speaker 4>the other texts in the series, as we noted. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm about halfways through now. I wish I wish rid

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<v Speaker 4>Bond hadn't backed out of the debate. But it is

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<v Speaker 4>what it is, you know, as the book, as the

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<v Speaker 4>Boomers say, it is what it is. It was what

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<v Speaker 4>it was. Bloomer wisdom cliches, Member wisdom cliches, y'all like those?

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<v Speaker 4>All right, here is the super chat link if you

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<v Speaker 4>want us to support the stream. I tried to make

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<v Speaker 4>the topics broad, but sometimes that's kind of a mixed bag.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, the I think the Hodgewins gave me

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<v Speaker 4>an inward pass, but many other brothers have also giving

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<v Speaker 4>me in word passes. So but I'm afraid if I

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<v Speaker 4>use it, the system won't recognize the past that I have.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, Like, if I go on

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<v Speaker 4>Piers Morgan next week and I try to use it,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't feel like they're gonna let me use it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. So there's the uh, the

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<v Speaker 4>link if you want to support the stream right there. People.

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<v Speaker 4>So I woke up today to people saying, when you

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<v Speaker 4>going to debate thoughtful lds or I'm like, dude, I've

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<v Speaker 4>already debated that guy. What do you mean he he

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<v Speaker 4>came on and was one of the stupidest much of

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<v Speaker 4>nonsense arguments that we've ever heard on here. Now the

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<v Speaker 4>problem is, just like with Derek Brows, I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>which one of the clips, oh there it is is

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<v Speaker 4>that person. So if we go back to here, this

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<v Speaker 4>was a weird profile with an alternate name Derek Brose

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<v Speaker 4>with a Z, so I don't know if that's a

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<v Speaker 4>fan account or if it's his account, but it had

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<v Speaker 4>like one hundred thousand subscribers on Twitter, so I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 4>that's his account. But it was the biggest bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>gnostic nonsense I've ever heard. But here is the Derek

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<v Speaker 4>Brose clip. People said, well, where did you debate with

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<v Speaker 4>Dereck Brose? Okay, right, here, and I don't know which

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<v Speaker 4>of the Mormons is the thoughtful Mormon dude or whatever

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<v Speaker 4>his name is, but it's not even a big account anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's Robert Gerr. Here's that wild Mormon chick that

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<v Speaker 4>called in. Had a just almost schizo level rant of nonsense.

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<v Speaker 4>It didn't even make sense what she was saying. Here's

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<v Speaker 4>another Mormon. Let's see if it's this guy. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 4>this one. It is a fallacy. Can you can you

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<v Speaker 4>tell me what a fallacy? What's up?

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<v Speaker 6>Papa?

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<v Speaker 4>No, that was a different Mormon because that was a

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<v Speaker 4>recent stream. That's a different Mormon recent stream. Uh, Robert Gerr. Again,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe it's this guy. Let's see if this is the

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<v Speaker 4>right Mormon. There's another one, Thomism. There we go, the

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<v Speaker 4>smartest Mormon Thalmism, a lot of stuff like that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if this is the right one, but

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give you this one. And then there's another clip

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<v Speaker 4>here this Mormon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember.

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<v Speaker 4>The t or is that the same guy? That's the

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<v Speaker 4>same question and my friend saying that you but okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is him. I think this is the

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<v Speaker 4>right guy. So for all the people asking when and

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<v Speaker 4>where did you argue already with I forget his name

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<v Speaker 4>on Twitter, but it might be this guy. I wish

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<v Speaker 4>people just use their name so we could identify them.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody's got these stupid ass handles that are Mormon thoughtful

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<v Speaker 4>mystic sixty nine, Like, I don't, dude, just tell me

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<v Speaker 4>who are you? This is him because it's the same logo.

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<v Speaker 4>So this guy, I've already debated this guy, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's that clip that I just pull this one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, so here's the guy looking kind of weird here,

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<v Speaker 4>and I let's let's hear him talk and then I

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<v Speaker 4>think we can figure out his voice. But it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>the same logo in his channel that I think was

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<v Speaker 4>on his.

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<v Speaker 7>Twitter presented what members of the Church of Jesus Christ

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<v Speaker 7>of Latter day Saints actually believe.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we didn't, because your own church changes this position.

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<v Speaker 4>Your changes this position historically. So uh, let's see if

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<v Speaker 4>that's the same guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Trying to get an understanding of the what do you

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<v Speaker 6>call it, the monarchical treated carrying?

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<v Speaker 4>That doesn't sound like the same idea, does it.

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<v Speaker 6>You like that, but it's like you had other things

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<v Speaker 6>that you want to debate about Mormonism or w.

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<v Speaker 7>And how do I know this well? Because I am one.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you are not a Latter Day Saint, you

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<v Speaker 7>need to be aware that Jay Dyer and people like

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<v Speaker 7>him are misleading you. And by the end of this

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<v Speaker 7>video you will see why.

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<v Speaker 8>You see.

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<v Speaker 7>Jay Dyer is one of those internet apologists known as

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<v Speaker 7>the Ortho Bros of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and he

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<v Speaker 7>was invited on the Hodge Twins podcast to give his

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<v Speaker 7>take on Jews and Muslims, but at a certain point

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<v Speaker 7>become rotation veered into a discussion about the beliefs held

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<v Speaker 7>by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

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<v Speaker 7>day Saints, or more commonly known as Mormons.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, I remember as a little kid, me and Kim

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<v Speaker 9>was playing outside and these woman kids came to our

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<v Speaker 9>house on bike said that white shirts and black tyes,

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<v Speaker 9>if I remember correctly, and they went, Mama, whenever we

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<v Speaker 9>want to talk about God Jesus. My mom election in

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<v Speaker 9>the house, right, she's very religious. So me and my

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<v Speaker 9>brother's outside playing, and then I heard my mama, cause

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<v Speaker 9>get the fuck out of my house. Ristians right got you?

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<v Speaker 9>And I said, what happened, mama?

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<v Speaker 4>You said?

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<v Speaker 9>They said, I'm the I'm a descendant of Cain, and

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<v Speaker 9>that's why my skin is brown.

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<v Speaker 4>So Mormons belief, Now this is specifically one of those

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<v Speaker 4>teachings that as we saw two calls back, we had

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<v Speaker 4>former Muslims in here. The Mormon Church has distanced itself

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<v Speaker 4>from so the pre existence of soul. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 4>they still believe in pre existence of souls, but they

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<v Speaker 4>distanced themselves from the older Mormon prophet teaching of the

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<v Speaker 4>pre existence of souls, leading to the people that sided

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<v Speaker 4>with with the rebellion against God being cursed to have

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<v Speaker 4>dark skin. Right, even Mormons believe in the pre existence

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<v Speaker 4>of souls. That you weren't created at your conception. You

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<v Speaker 4>existed before, okay, and so the reason that you have

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<v Speaker 4>black skin is because you send in your previous life.

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<v Speaker 4>It's oh yeah. They believe that black people are the

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<v Speaker 4>ones that followed Lucifer in rebellion, and so the curse

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<v Speaker 4>was to be born as black.

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<v Speaker 10>No, for none of these iniquities come of the Lord,

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<v Speaker 10>for he do with that which is good among the

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<v Speaker 10>children of men, and he denieth.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but this is not even talking about their secret

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<v Speaker 4>doctrines which the Mormon that called in said, it's from

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<v Speaker 4>the Book of Abraham, right, And he said, that's where

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<v Speaker 4>it talks about black people can't be in the Mormon priesthood.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now. This what Mormons always do is they don't

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<v Speaker 4>talk about the actual teachings to normies. They act as

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<v Speaker 4>if they have the same kind of basic ideas as

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of Christianity. And they always base it on

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<v Speaker 4>word concept fallacies and equivocation. Oh, you believe in Jesus

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<v Speaker 4>being divine, and you believe in the Godhead, so do we.

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<v Speaker 4>But they mean totally different things, right, And I'm trying

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<v Speaker 4>to find the actual text from actual Here's Abraham, the

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<v Speaker 4>Book of Abraham, which is a forgery, by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>And let's see in the Book of In his book

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<v Speaker 4>Church and the negro Lds, writer doctor John Lewis Lund

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<v Speaker 4>cited David O. McKay from nineteen forty seven giving a

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<v Speaker 4>lengthy response about the fellow students that were perturbed about

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<v Speaker 4>the question of Negroids not being welcomed into the Mormon priesthood.

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<v Speaker 4>I know of no scriptural basis for the priesthood for negroes,

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<v Speaker 4>and I believe, as you suggest, that the real reason

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<v Speaker 4>dates back to our preexistent life. So here's one of

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<v Speaker 4>the Mormon leaders, one of the Mormon so called the Allogians.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if he is one of the prophets

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<v Speaker 4>LDS President David O. McKay, So that's pretty high up.

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<v Speaker 4>Such a statement carries significant importance because McKay referred directly

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<v Speaker 4>to the Yell Scripture of the Pearl of Great Price,

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<v Speaker 4>where the Book of Abraham is found by itself. Verse

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<v Speaker 4>twenty six might sound vague and confusing. It says Pharaoh,

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<v Speaker 4>being a righteous man, established his kingdom and judged his

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<v Speaker 4>people wisely and justly throughout the days. And then it says,

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<v Speaker 4>even in the reign of Adam and also of Noah,

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<v Speaker 4>his father blessed him the blessing of the earth and

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<v Speaker 4>the blessing of wisdom. And cursed, but cursed is he

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<v Speaker 4>that as pertains to priesthood. So this is saying that

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<v Speaker 4>the sentence of Cain cannot be Mormon priests. And as

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<v Speaker 4>you saw, it was because of quote their previous life,

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<v Speaker 4>their pre existence. These Mormon leaders felt that Abraham won

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<v Speaker 4>twenty six was a key verse when it came to

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<v Speaker 4>denying the priesthood to black people, and so doing verse

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<v Speaker 4>twenty six is put in the context of denial. Since

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<v Speaker 4>the Lord appeared to Cain and converse with him many

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<v Speaker 4>times before Kin killed Abel, Cain must have held priesthood.

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<v Speaker 4>God said to him, from this time fourth, it shall

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<v Speaker 4>be that the father of lies he shall be called Perdition,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Lord curse Kine with severe cursings. This is

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<v Speaker 4>not the Bible, this is their stupid made up book.

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<v Speaker 4>On those cursings was placed a mark of Cain, which

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<v Speaker 4>mark would be carried by his posterity throughout all generations.

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<v Speaker 4>This mark was Cain's black skin, according to the Pearl

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<v Speaker 4>Great Price LEDs. Theologian Hunter went on to say that

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<v Speaker 4>the greatest curse of all was the cursehood of black

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<v Speaker 4>skin and not having the priesthood. Hunter insisted that Joseph

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<v Speaker 4>Smith himself identified black people as the descendants of Cain.

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<v Speaker 4>In Nauvoo in eighteen forty two, the brethren were discussing

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<v Speaker 4>whether the Negroes or the Indians had received a worse

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<v Speaker 4>treatment from whites. The prophet Joseph Smith said, the Indians

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<v Speaker 4>have greater cause to complain of treatment of whites than

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<v Speaker 4>to the teaching of the Pearl Great Price that Joseph

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<v Speaker 4>from the priesthood and noticed that it was due to

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<v Speaker 4>of souls. Here is Brigham Young, the second LDS President,

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<v Speaker 4>Brigham Young. The curse that remains upon them can never

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<v Speaker 4>They shall never hold the priesthood nor sharing it until

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<v Speaker 4>all the descendants of Adam have received the promises. Why

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<v Speaker 4>Mormonism cannot recover from the Book of Abraham? Right?

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<v Speaker 11>Why more people left Mormonism over this issue than almost

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<v Speaker 11>any other.

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<v Speaker 4>The Book of Abraham.

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<v Speaker 7>What is this tiny, unassuming five chapter book that definitively proves.

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<v Speaker 2>That Joseph Smith was a fraud and a false prophet

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<v Speaker 2>of all the different books.

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<v Speaker 4>In Mormons true. Now, remember this is the book that

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<v Speaker 4>the livestream talking about the Book of Abraham. It's obviously

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<v Speaker 4>a forgery. It's not anything to do with actual biblical figures.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just old Egyptian funerary texts that Joseph Smith bought Charles.

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<v Speaker 4>What's up? I'll give you guys this video, but this

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<v Speaker 4>stream the other day. So I'm not gonna repeat all that.

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<v Speaker 4>What's up, Chuck, I'm mute, Chuck, I'm mute. Chose a spliff?

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<v Speaker 4>How come people don't I'm mute, man, I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe Twitter's not working right today, Chuck? Did you not

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<v Speaker 4>turn your Chris Smitt I should say, did you not

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<v Speaker 4>turn your mic on? It's like nobody's ever used Twitter

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<v Speaker 4>spaces until they come to my Space Bohemia. What's up?

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<v Speaker 6>Man?

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give you guys this link to here if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to read the full article on the Book of

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<v Speaker 4>Abraham right here. What's up?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the topic?

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of the topic is all the things listed

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<v Speaker 4>in the topic description? Oh shit?

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, So I would have a question because I'm deciding

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<v Speaker 12>And the Orthodox Church, and uh, I am pretty said

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<v Speaker 12>like I'm not the church hopping. I'm said, I'm becoming Orthodox,

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<v Speaker 12>and this next to your getting baptized. But I had a

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<v Speaker 3>Pray with Catholics.

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<v Speaker 12>And I have a lot of Catholics friends, and I

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<v Speaker 12>one of my friends actually.

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<v Speaker 4>You know city. Liking them doesn't equate to being able

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<v Speaker 4>to celebrate liturgically with heterodox groups. That's the teaching of

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I guess my question would be like about the prayer,

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<v Speaker 12>Like if I pray with Catholics, do you think that's bad?

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<v Speaker 3>Like just like an outside the church, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Might get permission in certain circumstances to do that, but

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<v Speaker 4>in general, the problem is that it suggests that we

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<v Speaker 4>have the same faith and we're all good and it's

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<v Speaker 4>just not true. That's why the agree. I agree, But

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, I would just like take a case

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<v Speaker 4>by case instead of trying to like find out one

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<v Speaker 4>size fits all situation, because there might be situations where

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<v Speaker 4>you know you need to go to a funeral. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sure your priests would give you permission to go, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know you could privately pray or something like that

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<v Speaker 4>and not have to join in or something. Maybe vain.

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<v Speaker 4>What's up?

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<v Speaker 8>Man?

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<v Speaker 13>Would you say that they are disabled if their descendants

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<v Speaker 13>of case?

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<v Speaker 8>That was so bad?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, Oh I get it now. I had to

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<v Speaker 4>think for a second. I don't I am not opposed

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<v Speaker 4>to wordplay, so I don't find your wordplay offensive. Vein,

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<v Speaker 4>I commend you.

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<v Speaker 8>I just thought it was fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, it's okay. Is that it just one little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of wordplay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't want to take up time.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all right, thank you for that wordplay. Now, guys,

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<v Speaker 4>you can support the stream through super chats, through a

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<v Speaker 4>stream las especially YouTube doesn't take a cut if youse

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<v Speaker 4>stream labs. The link is pinned in the show description.

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<v Speaker 4>Rolph Stakes became a member for fourteen months? How many

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<v Speaker 4>months I have to subscribe before you to drop the

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<v Speaker 4>next biggest cringe corps banger about Jordan Maxwell. Well, the

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<v Speaker 4>problem is if I do it Jordan Maxwell song, nobody

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<v Speaker 4>will get that or know anything about it. But maybe

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<v Speaker 4>I can find some time. I don't know, mister who

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<v Speaker 4>cares five dollars? What do you think about the patriarch

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<v Speaker 4>meeting the pope? Not much. I mean these kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>things happen all the time. I'm not a fan of

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<v Speaker 4>either one of them. H Brozi, five dollars. I'll make

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<v Speaker 4>this joke for you, Jay Jay is on now. Ah,

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<v Speaker 4>Brozzie is a black dude, so he says, Jay is

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<v Speaker 4>on inward time. He is truly one of us. I

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<v Speaker 4>have the pass. There you go, an actual brother gave

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<v Speaker 4>me the brother pass. So let it be known henceforth

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<v Speaker 4>and forevermore. I shall not be able to be canceled

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<v Speaker 4>given that the black community has given me honorary pass

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<v Speaker 4>being half black. To use the words top jacko maattic

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<v Speaker 4>ten dollars. I was at boot camp for three months.

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<v Speaker 4>My phone just came back to me. What did I miss?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh dude, Oh my gosh, what did you miss? I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if I can make it through this whole

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<v Speaker 4>Mormon video. Let's just invite the Mormons to come. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>what you missed was I completed esoter Colli WITHOO three

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<v Speaker 4>that will be shipping in about a month. A month

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<v Speaker 4>and a half. I did a podcast tour throughout LA

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<v Speaker 4>and Vegas that was pretty hype. I did whatever debating

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<v Speaker 4>the fraud, not so erudite, and I'm sure all of

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<v Speaker 4>you saw the clip. Once again, Jay Dyer is vindicated,

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<v Speaker 4>and I wish more people would just have faith that

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<v Speaker 4>when I say stuff, I'm probably know what I'm talking about. Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Every now and then I get things wrong, all of

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<v Speaker 4>us do. He's infallible except for the Pope, just kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>Except for the Universal Orthodox Calogy Church. No one else

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<v Speaker 4>is infallible. And I told you guys that aerudite I

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<v Speaker 4>could tell, and Father Deacon as well. Ken I think

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<v Speaker 4>attest to this, who's more advanced in philosophy than I am.

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<v Speaker 4>If you study philosophy and you've done it at a

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<v Speaker 4>graduate level, you can very easily detect when somebody is

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<v Speaker 4>faking it, when they're a sued pretending to know about

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<v Speaker 4>a subject that they have no knowledge of. It works

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<v Speaker 4>to dupe dumb people like the Destiny audience. Many of

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<v Speaker 4>them fall for her her stick, which is to spout

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<v Speaker 4>out a bunch of terms that she reads on chat

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<v Speaker 4>GPTWO right, and I knew in the midst of that

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<v Speaker 4>discussion and I'll just play this one clip here to

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<v Speaker 4>remind you from my team. If you go to my TikTok,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll remember that I asked her a more more than

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<v Speaker 4>once on the second eight hour day that whether or

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<v Speaker 4>not she had read a single text that she could

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<v Speaker 4>recall the name of, and she couldn't tell me. That

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<v Speaker 4>tells me that she's a suit And she just repeats

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<v Speaker 4>what chat GBT tells her. And in the discussion, I

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<v Speaker 4>even said, I guarantee you she just uses chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is what like zoomers and younger millennials like,

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<v Speaker 4>they think that intellectualism, academia, being scholastic is literally just

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<v Speaker 4>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Dave. Dave Smith said this to Tucker the other

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<v Speaker 4>day that the left and liberals and these kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>people and these younger people, they think that as long

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<v Speaker 4>as you pull off being looking like an intellectual or

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<v Speaker 4>talking fast, then you're intellectual.

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<v Speaker 13>Do you think that's because I mean just kind of

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<v Speaker 13>given the kind of relativistic and realistics kind of cultures

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<v Speaker 13>that they live in, that everything's.

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<v Speaker 4>Just appearances exactly.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, yeah, but have you appredictically derived from your categorical

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<v Speaker 13>imperative a sort of kind of dialectical Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a contra distinction between the superposition of the

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<v Speaker 4>newmena and the phenomena in the Kantian deontological status of normativity.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like you just spout out.

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<v Speaker 13>Words, yes, my brother, Now would you say that is

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<v Speaker 4>What what?

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<v Speaker 3>What should I say? Or in other words, uh, descriptive.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just like, yeah, they're like the Waynes brothers, right,

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<v Speaker 4>remember the skit on in Living Color? When Living Color, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>when one of the more the Waynes Brothers is he's

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<v Speaker 4>in prison and he's just he just misuses big words

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<v Speaker 4>to sound smart. That literally all of them are that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>So listen, here's me asking Arad to just name one

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<v Speaker 4>book which happened three times in this nightmare day of

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<v Speaker 4>eight hours of this nonsense acting what you know? You

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<v Speaker 4>could you name one philosophy book that you've read.

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<v Speaker 14>The Five five Dialogues by Aristotle the Plato Republic.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no book the Five Dialogues by Aristotle Plato Republic.

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<v Speaker 13>Those are two books that I've read, So the Five

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<v Speaker 13>Dialogues as yet?

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<v Speaker 15>Or do you would just want to be in that

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<v Speaker 15>to try to.

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<v Speaker 4>Get one philosophy book from any philosophers.

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<v Speaker 9>One philosophy book, it's your public.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you read that? No? So I asked her to

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<v Speaker 4>name a book she read, and she named a book. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't read it, but okay, now let's listen to

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<v Speaker 4>Destiny do the exact same thing. So noticed she's literally

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<v Speaker 4>just female Destiny. Watch. Okay, can your name when you

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<v Speaker 4>read it?

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<v Speaker 14>Off the top of my it's been very hard to

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<v Speaker 14>like read like full books and read a whole person books.

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<v Speaker 4>What's your first book? But you're read what's trying to

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<v Speaker 4>think of a joke.

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<v Speaker 16>Game?

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<v Speaker 4>The game? Yeah? Okay, go hilarious culture reference? He okay, continue.

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<v Speaker 4>So Destiny couldn't name one book. He's reader couldn't name

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<v Speaker 4>one philosophy text that she's read, not just a text

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<v Speaker 4>that she's read.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that she mixed Xeno Xeno's Republic.

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<v Speaker 4>She said Aristotle's Republic.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh did she?

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<v Speaker 4>She said five Dialogues ariosotol Republic.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, I heard her say Xeno's Republic.

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<v Speaker 4>To be all up in there, because when you come

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<v Speaker 4>to debate, you know what you're talking about. Could you

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<v Speaker 4>name one philosophy?

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<v Speaker 3>Read uh, five.

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<v Speaker 13>Dialogues by Aristotle Plato Republic.

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<v Speaker 4>There's the five Dialogues by Aristotle Plato Republic. So just gibberish,

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<v Speaker 4>right now, what was the point of all that. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>see what these bros over here on this podcast. I'm

424
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<v Speaker 4>not familiar with these guys, but shocker, in the midst

425
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<v Speaker 4>of a debate, she's actually using chat GPT, which is

426
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<v Speaker 4>exactly what Father Deacon and I have been saying. The

427
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<v Speaker 4>reason that a lot of people don't want to be

428
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<v Speaker 4>on video or in a live debate is because they

429
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<v Speaker 4>want to be able to use chat GPT. And what

430
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<v Speaker 4>do you know, this total sued fraud not so erudite

431
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<v Speaker 4>is caught doing that very thing.

432
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<v Speaker 14>And then it switches over and oh brother, what is

433
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<v Speaker 14>she fucking doing? This is like the IRA, very delayed

434
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<v Speaker 14>and impact. Right, they're good things, but they're delayed and impact.

435
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<v Speaker 4>Hold on, she got But we didn't even need to

436
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:07.680
<v Speaker 4>have this visual confirmation that she does this because we

437
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.839
<v Speaker 4>already knew that the way that she talked and the

438
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 4>nonsense that she was spitting out, which is why she

439
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<v Speaker 4>couldn't name a single paper or a single book by

440
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 4>any of the so called authors that she's familiar with.

441
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.640
<v Speaker 4>Is because she's just regurgitating what Chad GBD spit out

442
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<v Speaker 4>at her. And she was at a huge disadvantage when

443
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 4>we got into the studios at whatever and Brian was like, no,

444
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<v Speaker 4>we don't need to have your Apple computer over here.

445
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 4>So she actually wanted when we first got there to

446
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<v Speaker 4>have her computer, and she got really nervous when Brian said, no,

447
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.400
<v Speaker 4>you can't use your computer in a live debate. And

448
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:46.559
<v Speaker 4>if you guys can't see it, like maybe you can

449
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<v Speaker 4>see it on the videos. I don't know. But the

450
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<v Speaker 4>entire time that Jim Boberus and I were sitting there

451
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<v Speaker 4>with her the first day of the second day, like

452
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 4>her hands were shaking. That entire time, she was so

453
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<v Speaker 4>nervous and so scared because because it's it's fraudulent, and

454
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.960
<v Speaker 4>it's not wrong to call out people that are complete frauds.

455
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<v Speaker 4>People are saying, oh, you were you had a milt

456
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<v Speaker 4>down in that debate. No, no, no, it's to show

457
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.559
<v Speaker 4>it to demonstrate whether it's her or the destinies here

458
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.039
<v Speaker 4>in general, they're all frauds. Destiny couldn't name one book

459
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.400
<v Speaker 4>and therefore he's not educated. So all these people are

460
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.160
<v Speaker 4>like their deity, the deity of the SuDS is Ai

461
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.000
<v Speaker 4>and chat GPT, and it's very obvious. It's very easy

462
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 4>to spot when you are aware of this kind of stuff. Anyway,

463
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.440
<v Speaker 4>moving on, enough of that, but I am glad that

464
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<v Speaker 4>that came out because I told you guys, she was

465
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<v Speaker 4>a total phony. Caleb, what's up? Hey, j Yo.

466
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<v Speaker 16>Hey, So basically it's nothing about what we're talking about

467
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<v Speaker 16>topic wise, but like probably you get a lot. I'm

468
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<v Speaker 16>kind of inquiring of the Eastern you know, Orthodox realm

469
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<v Speaker 16>of things, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of.

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<v Speaker 16>It's just as that basically the Euchrist and also.

472
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<v Speaker 1>My confession and stuff like, I'm.

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<v Speaker 16>Not my mind around why people that aren't baptized take

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<v Speaker 16>Eucharist if they do everything else besides you know, being

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<v Speaker 16>in the church.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't you cut out? What's the question? Just ull

477
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<v Speaker 4>down the question? W you're cutting out?

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me a little bit better?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just reset the question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 16>So basically the question is is if you're not baptizing

483
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<v Speaker 16>the church, you obviously then can't take the Eucharist or

484
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<v Speaker 16>you know, do any of like the sacraments, And I'm

485
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<v Speaker 16>just it's kind of confused on why that is just

486
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<v Speaker 16>because you're not baptizing the church.

487
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<v Speaker 4>Well, baptism is the entrance into the church, is the

488
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<v Speaker 4>right of initiation, So why would you be taking up

489
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<v Speaker 4>Christ when you're not initiated yet. So there's just a

490
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 4>logical order or two in the way the New Testament

491
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<v Speaker 4>presents the sacraments. Chuck, what's up?

492
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<v Speaker 8>Bellow?

493
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<v Speaker 3>Hey, hey, real quick question. What do you think about

494
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<v Speaker 3>the Belluman Bellmont Declaration.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a fan of that, Well, so is it?

496
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<v Speaker 1>The reason I'm asking is is it?

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<v Speaker 11>I have a Catholic friend and he was he mentioned

498
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<v Speaker 11>and basically was coming from a position where he was

499
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<v Speaker 11>saying that, you know, this is why Catholics have this

500
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<v Speaker 11>innate ability or worldview where they're gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Happily, it'll be nice to you.

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<v Speaker 8>But the Eastern.

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<v Speaker 11>Orthodox is they're they're much more not aggressive. But I

504
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.599
<v Speaker 11>get the way he put it, was trying to steal converts.

505
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<v Speaker 11>And he was like, I don't know, I just is

506
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<v Speaker 11>it not binding?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know the terms, but is it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's just a it's no different than like any

509
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<v Speaker 4>other you know, inter religious academic conference or statement. How

510
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<v Speaker 4>could how could it be binding? I mean, we're not

511
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<v Speaker 4>papists to where there's this issued, you know, execa theater

512
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<v Speaker 4>statement and everybody's bound by it. No, I'm not bound.

513
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<v Speaker 4>I mean if the if the MP makes a mistake,

514
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<v Speaker 4>we're not bound by it. I don't have to agree

515
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<v Speaker 4>to that. There's no infallible MP, there's no infallible EP.

516
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<v Speaker 4>So I think I'm not faulting you, but I think

517
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<v Speaker 4>it's a papal mindset to think that, Well, don't your

518
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 4>patriarchs make bad statements at times? Don't you have heterodox

519
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<v Speaker 4>patriarchs at times? So how is that any better than

520
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<v Speaker 4>the Catholic position. It's a difference between a systemic defeat

521
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<v Speaker 4>the same type of problem in another system that's not

522
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<v Speaker 4>a systemic defeater. If in the Roman Catholic Church you

523
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<v Speaker 4>had say a bunch of American bishops that were super

524
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<v Speaker 4>ecumenist and liberal and saying heterodox things, that wouldn't be

525
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<v Speaker 4>a defeater in the Roman Catholic system, if the Bishop

526
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<v Speaker 4>of Rome was Orthodox or ECU mean, the Bishop of

527
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<v Speaker 4>Rome was still orthodox in the little O sense. But

528
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 4>if the Bishop of Rome begins to teach the heterodox things.

529
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<v Speaker 4>That's a system level defeater because it denies Vatican One.

530
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<v Speaker 4>In the Orthodox Church, if all the bishops are decentralized

531
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<v Speaker 4>and one bishop says something erroneous, it's not de facto

532
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<v Speaker 4>heresy because it's wrong. It's heresy. I mean, it could

533
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 4>be heterodox, but it requires a senat or some condemnation

534
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<v Speaker 4>of the statement before everyone is bound by that. You

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<v Speaker 4>see what I'm saying. So it's two different ecclesiologies where

536
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<v Speaker 4>one problem might not be a system for the other system.

537
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<v Speaker 4>But I don't understand why people. People just can't grasp this.

538
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<v Speaker 4>I'm not talking about you, but like no one seems

539
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<v Speaker 4>to be able to grasp systemic level defeaters. If I

540
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 4>have two Roman Catholic dogmatic teachings that contradict, that's that

541
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 4>means the system's done. It only takes one one contradiction

542
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 4>between two different statements. And that's why you see the

543
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 4>romancalolis and scramble to try to say, well, it's not infallible,

544
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't really count, or we can reinterpret it this

545
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.960
<v Speaker 4>way right to make it work. It's not that is

546
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.000
<v Speaker 4>not going to be a problem in the orthodox position,

547
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<v Speaker 4>because we don't have the view that any individual bishop

548
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<v Speaker 4>or patriarch is infallible or can never teach error. And

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't understand how people can't get this. Is

550
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<v Speaker 4>it that difficult to understand that one problem could be

551
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 4>a system level defeater for one system and not for

552
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 4>another because it's a different system. If we had the

553
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<v Speaker 4>position that the patriarch gets or the EP or the

554
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.800
<v Speaker 4>MP were infallible, then it would also be a defeat

555
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 4>for our system. But we don't have that view. So

556
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 4>it's like no one can It's like they can't conceive

557
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 4>of what an internal critique is designed to do. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>as to your Catholic friend's statement that we're stealing converts,

559
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<v Speaker 4>we don't believe that the Roman Catholic Church is half

560
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<v Speaker 4>of the church. We don't believe that it is the church.

561
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Speaker 4>So the Church is a single, unified, communal entity. It's

562
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<v Speaker 4>not a divided entity for the last thousand years that

563
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 4>hopefully we can heal and bring back together. The Roman

564
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 4>Catholic Church is not the church. It is, as mark

565
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 4>of market EPHISI has said, a para synagogue. It is

566
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 4>an extra ecclesial entity that operates more like a cult.

567
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 4>It's not as bad as Mormonism, but it is many

568
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 4>in many ways similar to Mormonism, because the Pope can

569
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<v Speaker 4>just revise and restate and redefine things to make this

570
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.679
<v Speaker 4>system unfalsifiable. It's just it's just it's like the Mormon

571
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 4>said when he called in the other day. So the

572
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:06.760
<v Speaker 4>reason I didn't go Catholic is like I didn't see

573
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<v Speaker 4>a huge difference between the prophets that had new revelations

574
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<v Speaker 4>in the Mormon sphere and the pope and his new

575
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 4>execa theater teachings, right, whatever they may be. It's just

576
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 4>really weird that it's like so hard for people to

577
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 4>understand a systemic level defeater.

578
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just a comment on that, I would say to

579
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<v Speaker 3>the guy, like, think about it.

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<v Speaker 13>Nestorius was the patriarch of Constantinople for three years before

581
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<v Speaker 13>he was condemned.

582
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<v Speaker 3>Would we have had to have been an historian?

583
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like that's where I go.

584
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<v Speaker 3>It's like, how do we solve it before was clearly.

585
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 4>Right, and even Cyril didn't immediately lackt like you know

586
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<v Speaker 4>that the idea was to have a council right to

587
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 4>deal with that church wide issue. Z. What's up? But

588
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<v Speaker 4>thank you've been in a team for a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Any of me. Yep I said a question about transcendental arguments,

590
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<v Speaker 1>if that was all right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, FDA's here.

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, So I came across this critique about transcendental arguments,

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<v Speaker 18>and it was essentially that from a skeptical position, all

594
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<v Speaker 18>a transcendental argument can do is show what you ought

595
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<v Speaker 18>to believe, not what is actually true.

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<v Speaker 4>Now that's the very strou position. So we agree with

597
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<v Speaker 4>Barry Stroud's critique of transcendental arguments. But the transcedental argument

598
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<v Speaker 4>for God is different because it's a systemic level argument.

599
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<v Speaker 4>It's not just a transcendental argument.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, what would be like the meaningful difference between those.

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<v Speaker 4>Because transcendental arguments can only show what ought to be

602
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<v Speaker 4>the case or what works within some conceptual scheme. But

603
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<v Speaker 4>the transcendental argument for God is a precondition for the

604
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<v Speaker 4>possibility of any schemes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, I got it.

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah they were They were just arguing that, like from

607
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<v Speaker 18>a skeptical position where you wouldn't have access to that

608
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 18>kind of thing, it was hard to show.

609
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<v Speaker 1>How your mental state related to the world in that sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we actually use that argument. So when we get

611
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<v Speaker 4>people that come on and say that all I need

612
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<v Speaker 4>to do is show that the other positions are incoherent. Well,

613
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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't necessarily mean that your position's true. So you

614
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<v Speaker 4>need a stronger presentation than that to get epistemic justification.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, in the Manion paper, he points out that

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<v Speaker 4>just having a systemic coherence isn't even enough, because maybe

617
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<v Speaker 4>it just appears to us that our worldview or our

618
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 4>schema is consistent, but how do we know that it

619
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<v Speaker 4>actually applies to the world. And that's precisely the type

620
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<v Speaker 4>of critique that Manion makes of why you need more

621
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<v Speaker 4>than just the appearance of coherence or rationality.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thanks, Manu Chef. Anywhere I can read.

623
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<v Speaker 3>Up about them?

624
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Manion paper, Russ Manun's.

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<v Speaker 1>Paper, Okay, thank you man.

626
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<v Speaker 4>What's it called for? The Deacon father digging? Are you there?

627
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 4>I guess you had to step away. It's a revelatory theism.

628
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<v Speaker 4>I forget the full name of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's up, chair? You know I got a question

630
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<v Speaker 3>on evolution. Is that under the topics?

631
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<v Speaker 1>I guess?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 19>So I So I've been thinking about your the argument

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<v Speaker 19>you made that death doesn't enter the world before before

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<v Speaker 19>the fall, And so I have a friend who brought

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<v Speaker 19>up the objection that, well, if if if there was

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<v Speaker 19>no death, how did any animal that was a carnivore?

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<v Speaker 4>How did the already answered this? And that's because the

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<v Speaker 4>entire structure of the world changed after the fall, so

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<v Speaker 4>they were not they were not eating animals prior to

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<v Speaker 4>the fall. But thank you for that question. Just read

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<v Speaker 4>you could even if you don't want to read the

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<v Speaker 4>full Genesis Creation Early Man, which has been reprinted, you

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<v Speaker 4>could read First Created Man by Saint Simeon Blessed Chungas.

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<v Speaker 4>What's up Eastern Orthodoxy? Ten rons, what's the difference between

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<v Speaker 4>begetting and proceeding? Sam Basil says that there is a difference.

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<v Speaker 4>We know what the difference is.

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<v Speaker 6>We do not know.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you think that this is somehow necessitating the philioque,

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<v Speaker 4>then you are sadly mistaken. The difference is that there's

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<v Speaker 4>a relation between the father and the son, that is

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<v Speaker 4>not the relationship between the father and the spirit. But

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<v Speaker 4>what the nature of the difference is, The Cappadocians say,

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<v Speaker 4>we do not know. So this is apathetic theology, and

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<v Speaker 4>all you need to distinguish the persons is their relationship

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<v Speaker 4>to the source, the Father. That's all you need. You

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to define the difference. In fact, no one

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<v Speaker 4>can to find the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up, man, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh huh?

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<v Speaker 20>All right, So I'm Catholic. I'm been Catholic for about

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<v Speaker 20>a year, and I'm kind of new to the whole

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<v Speaker 20>Christian world in general. Recently, I've been really liking your videos,

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<v Speaker 20>especially the ones on deconstructing movies and storylines. Before I

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<v Speaker 20>was Christian, I really liked like Slap Boys, I Can

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<v Speaker 20>Crawl Young, and the kind of deconstructionist stuff. And anyways,

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<v Speaker 20>I heard you say in one of your videos that

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<v Speaker 20>when you converted from Catholicism to Orthodoxy, you said something

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<v Speaker 20>like you were freed from something about Thomism, that you

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<v Speaker 20>didn't like Thomism.

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<v Speaker 4>Or you found it kind of like.

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<v Speaker 3>Burdens some or not coherent or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, I was very interested in into Thomism

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<v Speaker 4>for most of my and I thought it was this great,

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<v Speaker 4>elegant system, and then I realized that it has problems

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<v Speaker 4>and I was able to eventually just admit that it's

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<v Speaker 4>a failed system.

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<v Speaker 20>So I'm curious if you could in a short word

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<v Speaker 20>maybe describe what is the major problem of Thomism.

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<v Speaker 4>Thomas Aquinas teaches a reductive identity thesis notion of what

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<v Speaker 4>divine simplicity is, which essentially undercuts the trinity and the

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<v Speaker 4>incarnation and the reality of uncreated grace. He teaches that

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<v Speaker 4>grace in itself is a created thing, all of which

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<v Speaker 4>undoes the reality of our salvation and glorification.

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<v Speaker 20>So I know, okay, I can't just all of that,

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<v Speaker 20>but I'll try to reduce it for my brainlet status.

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<v Speaker 20>But so I know that there's major distinctions between Catholicism

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<v Speaker 20>and Orthodoxy, like theologically like essence energies distinction, and maybe

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<v Speaker 20>some of these.

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<v Speaker 4>Ryan Rome teaches that via the denial of the essence

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<v Speaker 4>inner distinction, grace is a created reality.

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<v Speaker 20>By the essence energy distinction, Grace is created reality by.

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<v Speaker 4>Rome's denial of the essence energy distinction. They necessarily then

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<v Speaker 4>dogmatized their position that the grace that we partake of

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<v Speaker 4>is itself a created reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll research that more on my own.

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<v Speaker 20>And I have a broader question to ask just about

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<v Speaker 20>sure Catholic Orthodox split because I heard you talking to

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<v Speaker 20>that Orthodox guy from Prague about how Orthodox are not

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<v Speaker 20>supposed to, you know, pray with athletics.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that sort of makes sense to me because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I would not go pray in a Protestant

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<v Speaker 3>church or something like that.

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<v Speaker 20>Right, I'm wondering this the vibe between Orthodox and Catholicism

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<v Speaker 20>come down to, like these theological issues like essence energy

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<v Speaker 20>is distinction or is it like more of a historical

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<v Speaker 20>political split.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's theological, and everybody who thinks that it's political

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<v Speaker 4>is sadly mistaken. I mean there are political elements, geopolitical,

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<v Speaker 4>historical developments that resulted from it and contributed to it,

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<v Speaker 4>like the Carolinians, But the essence of the fissure is

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<v Speaker 4>a totally different triadology, a different doctrine of grace, a

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<v Speaker 4>different doctrine of sacraments, a different ecclesiology. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 4>totally different.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, I'm just I'm just kind of learning the song.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I would say, go back through a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the old, you know, videos that we've done

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<v Speaker 4>on my channel. You can find a whole host of

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<v Speaker 4>stuff that will cover that stuff. But yeah, I welcome

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<v Speaker 4>the questions. I appreciate that. Devon what's up.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, Hey, my name is DeVaughn. I. Uh, I

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<v Speaker 3>am a Protestant.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh.

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<v Speaker 21>I want to say I appreciate your videos and the

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<v Speaker 21>work you do. It's really kind of opened up a

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<v Speaker 21>whole in the world for me. I never really had

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<v Speaker 21>any sort of access to the Orthodox paradimonds I started

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<v Speaker 21>watching your videos.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh I so, I think one of the biggest light.

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<v Speaker 21>Bulbs for me was the distinction that you pointed out

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<v Speaker 21>between individual certitude and normative authority. And I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 21>make sense of how to deal with that tension when

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<v Speaker 21>they're in conflict. And so maybe I'm just maybe it's

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<v Speaker 21>more of a personal question, but how how have you

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<v Speaker 21>dealt with that on your journey and making sense of

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<v Speaker 21>all of this between what is considered normative versus individual

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<v Speaker 21>certitude and responsibility to the truth and what you feel

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<v Speaker 21>like maybe you'll be help responsible for personally, you know,

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<v Speaker 21>before God. I don't know if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the two I mean, I'm not meaning to

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<v Speaker 4>be flippant, but I mean the two things are pretty

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<v Speaker 4>obviously different. Things like me and my own personal journey

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<v Speaker 4>coming to certainty about this or that doctrine or this

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<v Speaker 4>or that position is a different question from is there

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<v Speaker 4>a historical group of people that can bind people's conscience?

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<v Speaker 4>Those are two different questions. So I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 4>I will be held accountable for all the stuff that

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<v Speaker 4>I talked about and my life like everyone else. Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>I have more culpability responsibility because of the audience. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>but I guess I'm not. Are you confused on the

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<v Speaker 4>difference between these two things. It's the difference between do

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<v Speaker 4>I know what the institution says? Versus is there a

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<v Speaker 4>Supreme court that interprets the constitution? They're two different things.

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<v Speaker 3>I get what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, Yeah, I think as I've tried to sort through

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<v Speaker 21>some of these things and try to understand the historical

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<v Speaker 21>church more obviously as a Protestant, a lot of things

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<v Speaker 21>come into conflict with what I've been taught, right, right,

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<v Speaker 21>So yeah, I'm just trying to make sense of like

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<v Speaker 21>there's this tension there between you know.

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<v Speaker 3>What, I'm certain about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's put it this way, right, Let's put it this way.

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<v Speaker 4>Set aside the issue of personal certainty. It's a fact

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<v Speaker 4>that historically, when the Reformation happened, the Reformation, even though

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<v Speaker 4>they wanted to have some notion of elders or bishops

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, whether it's Anglicans or Lutherans or Presbyterians. The

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<v Speaker 4>fundamental idea that is necessary to the Reformation is write

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<v Speaker 4>a private interpretation and freedom of conscience. Write a private

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<v Speaker 4>interpretation is not do you read the books and interpret them.

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<v Speaker 4>What it means is no one can bind me to

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<v Speaker 4>their interpretation, Okay, okay. And freedom of conscience meaning that

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<v Speaker 4>my conscience is not bound by any external authorities telling

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<v Speaker 4>me what the word of God means. Yeah. That is

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<v Speaker 4>irreconcilable with the way that the first fifteen hundred years

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<v Speaker 4>of Christianity operated, where you do have a recognized, visible

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<v Speaker 4>authority structure that can bind people's conscience, and that no

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<v Speaker 4>one is granted the right of private interpretation. The right

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<v Speaker 4>of private interpretation is not can I interpret the text myself?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course everyone has to. But the difference is that

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<v Speaker 4>for an orthodox person you interpret them the way the

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<v Speaker 4>Church tells you to interpret them. For a Protestant, there's

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<v Speaker 4>no authoritative church that can bind my conscience. That's the difference.

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, okay, And can I ask one more question about tradition?

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<v Speaker 21>So I'm trying to sort through because I really appreciate this.

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<v Speaker 21>I mean, honestly, I feel like allowing tradition to help

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<v Speaker 21>me interpretscripture as actually give me a lot more freedom

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<v Speaker 21>to think about these things more clearly. But is there

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<v Speaker 21>is there a hierarchy of tradition or different degrees of

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<v Speaker 21>authority dependent upon the source of tradition, i e. The

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<v Speaker 21>councils versus I don't know, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know what I mean, Like, I mean, a council would

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<v Speaker 4>A council would have more authority than some you know,

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<v Speaker 4>individual saints speculation. That's why we hold the councils above

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<v Speaker 4>Augustine's on the Trinity constant and up one out ranks

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<v Speaker 4>Augustine's trinitarian speculations on you know, on the Trinity. That's

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<v Speaker 4>why we don't believe the Philly okuay okay okay cool.

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<v Speaker 21>And so is the first seven documental councils kind of

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<v Speaker 21>are at the top rung or top tier tradition.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nine authoritative universally received councils, not seven, but eight

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<v Speaker 4>and nine. Well, eight deals with the rejection of the philioquay,

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<v Speaker 4>and then not nine deals with the acceptance of holamite

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<v Speaker 4>essen syner distinction theology so technically speaking, most of the

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<v Speaker 4>Christology is summed up in the first seven, but eight

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<v Speaker 4>and nine are also you could call them universal, pan

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<v Speaker 4>Orthodox received synods, so they're all authoritative.

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<v Speaker 21>Okay, okay, I think, can I one last question? What

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<v Speaker 21>are the like epistemological means that you use or maybe

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<v Speaker 21>the churches determine whether something's infallible versus not infallible, that

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<v Speaker 21>that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there are general principles like we're gonna believe that

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<v Speaker 4>the dogmatic teaching of an ecumenical council or divine revelation

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<v Speaker 4>is what's infallible, but there is no there is no

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<v Speaker 4>Roman Catholic list of all the infallible things. It doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 4>Then none of the positions can give you that. Rome

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't give you that either, by the way, not that

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<v Speaker 4>you're tempted with it, but a lot of times and

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<v Speaker 4>when I say that, Roman Catholics say, oh, look he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't have it. No one has it. There is no

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<v Speaker 4>list of all there is no infallible list of the

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<v Speaker 4>infallible statements. For example, scripture is inspired. Okay, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you've got the liturgy as another aspect of divine revelation.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's I think, functionally impossible to list all of

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<v Speaker 4>the infallible statements in some infallible declaration. So what you

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<v Speaker 4>do have is the direct experience in the Orthodox Church

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<v Speaker 4>which will lead you to those things. But there is

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<v Speaker 4>no extra extra sensory, juridical perfect list of these things.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 21>So is there a distinction between infallibility and divine revelation

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<v Speaker 21>or are those to the same.

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<v Speaker 3>As the same thing?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think they're distinct because divine revelation ceased with

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<v Speaker 4>the depth of the Apostles. There's no new divine revelations,

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<v Speaker 4>and every every cult is premised on there being new

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<v Speaker 4>divine revelations that are binding on the public, and thus

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<v Speaker 4>some new prophet. But we are told that the faith

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<v Speaker 4>once we're all delivered to the saints, and so the

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<v Speaker 4>totality of the apostolic deposit. When John the Apostle died,

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<v Speaker 4>that's it. There's no more new revelations. There's no more

843
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 4>uh apostolic deposit that can be added to what the

844
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.239
<v Speaker 4>ecumenical councils are doing, even though they don't have it.

845
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.920
<v Speaker 4>They're they're in errant, they're not making mistakes in their

846
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 4>interpretation of that revelation. They're all they're doing is interpreting

847
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 4>the apostolic deposit Okay, cool with that, Okay, and we

848
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 4>would say that that interpretation is infallible. It doesn't like

849
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.239
<v Speaker 4>the Council of Ephesis didn't make errors, like Voice of

850
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 4>Reason says.

851
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, cool, Well, I appreciate you, thank you v.

852
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:43.599
<v Speaker 4>But I would say too that there has to be

853
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 4>flexibility as well, which some people fall into this mistake

854
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 4>where they think that, well, wait a minute, you said

855
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 4>ephesis can't err. So that means that everything Ephesis says

856
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.039
<v Speaker 4>is equivalent to divine revelation is an infallible That's the

857
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 4>canons are infallible. Canon law, by its very nature, has

858
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 4>to be flexible and cannot be equivalent to divine revelation.

859
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 4>It's church law. It's not the same thing as divine revelation.

860
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.280
<v Speaker 4>I think you have to distinguish these things or else

861
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.800
<v Speaker 4>you'll end up in absurd positions. So a lot of

862
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.119
<v Speaker 4>times when I bring this up, rigorists act like I'm

863
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 4>being some kind of modernist liberal and oh diar doesn't

864
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 4>think the councils are infallible. Well, if you look at

865
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 4>the complexity of say, when Richard Price, you know, translates

866
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.840
<v Speaker 4>the councils. There's a host of documents that are part

867
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 4>of the councils. There's letters from bishops, there's opinions that

868
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 4>are given, there's debates, there's dogmatic statements, there's confessions of faith,

869
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:43.239
<v Speaker 4>there's Acts of the Council. Okay, they're not all equivalent,

870
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 4>and Roman Catholics will go through those. It's the very

871
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.280
<v Speaker 4>thing ubi brought up in the Voice of Reason debate.

872
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 4>Roman Catholics will go through those quote mine and look

873
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:55.280
<v Speaker 4>for anything that supports Roman premascy and ignore what the

874
00:53:55.400 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 4>document actually was. What a leegate giving his opinion that

875
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 4>binding on the entire church, unless you presuppose that it

876
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:05.760
<v Speaker 4>can't want papal supremacy to begin with. So you see

877
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.400
<v Speaker 4>how silly. This is the same attitude that the Roman

878
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Catholics do when they mine the councils for papal stuff.

879
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:18.599
<v Speaker 4>Psycho rigorous point zero five percent online Orthodox people will

880
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.360
<v Speaker 4>mine the canons to find some way to call everybody

881
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 4>a heretic and apostate a modernist. When you literally cannot

882
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:28.119
<v Speaker 4>follow every canon, it's it's just insane. So there has

883
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:32.480
<v Speaker 4>to be some degree of flexibility with church law. And

884
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.440
<v Speaker 4>by the way, whether you're Orthodox or Roman Catholic, both

885
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 4>believe in a degree of flexibility for canon law for

886
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 4>church law, Father, deacon, what would you call this like

887
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:45.440
<v Speaker 4>even civil law operates this way where not everything is

888
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 4>black and white. You don't just follow the letter of

889
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:52.760
<v Speaker 4>the law. There has to be flexibility with the interpretation

890
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 4>of law, and that's why you have judges. Are you there,

891
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:05.159
<v Speaker 4>follow deacon? Right there, We can't hear you, but maybe

892
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:11.559
<v Speaker 4>maybe you're out of a no, maybe there's no signal

893
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:19.599
<v Speaker 4>where you are agent zero. Yeah, there's economia and a crevia, right,

894
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 4>so there's precision as well as flexibility. What's up?

895
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Hello? Hello, Yeah, Hey, what's up?

896
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 18>Kay?

897
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.760
<v Speaker 17>Hey, hey, I have a geopolitical statement.

898
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:34.079
<v Speaker 1>I believe that's it.

899
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.039
<v Speaker 17>Okay, so it's about your previous dream.

900
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 8>About because I called it, but my call dropped about is.

901
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Tiny mustache Man a tool?

902
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:48.719
<v Speaker 17>Yes he is, and he's currently being used as one,

903
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:54.360
<v Speaker 17>particularly as you know you covered in these online groups

904
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.480
<v Speaker 17>like MKU and the Order of Nine Angels and all

905
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 17>that stuff. So I think these people kind of like

906
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 17>young and dumb getting into this stuff. I don't think

907
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 17>they realize what it kind of leads to, and that

908
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 17>they could end up a dupe in something a lot

909
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 17>more nefarious and terrifying. And it's also being used as

910
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 17>a tool on the left to obviously kind of degrade

911
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:23.440
<v Speaker 17>the conservative movement.

912
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:26.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. Sure,

913
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 4>I know we know for sure within the Satanic groups

914
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 4>that they utilize that tiny mustache men aesthetic and ethos

915
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.880
<v Speaker 4>right to a degree. And I would not be surprised

916
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 4>if it's not used on a broader scale with people

917
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.360
<v Speaker 4>like Yay or whoever. Can't prove that, but it wouldn't

918
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:46.000
<v Speaker 4>be surprising.

919
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:49.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I totally agree with you on Matja.

920
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 17>I think it's also used as a type of weird

921
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.079
<v Speaker 17>culture war syop.

922
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 6>Right.

923
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:01.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, appreciate that. Now people are saying, it doesn't

924
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.920
<v Speaker 4>matter whether I'm here or whether I'm at the other place.

925
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:09.199
<v Speaker 4>I've had the two different internet companies come out twice,

926
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.679
<v Speaker 4>excuse me, at both places, probably here, probably ten times,

927
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 4>and it doesn't matter what they do. It doesn't matter

928
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 4>how many times they change the hub at the neighborhood.

929
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:25.239
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter, nothing matters. It doesn't you can't get

930
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:29.360
<v Speaker 4>a business connection here. I've tried everything so the people

931
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.360
<v Speaker 4>that wind and complain about the Internet, there's nothing else

932
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.960
<v Speaker 4>I can do. I'd have to buy a studio and

933
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 4>it has to be in town somewhere to where you

934
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 4>could get like a studio or like a business level

935
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:47.039
<v Speaker 4>internet connection. I've had them replace the whole line at

936
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 4>both houses. It doesn't work. There's nothing that Exfinity comcasts

937
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:59.000
<v Speaker 4>or any of those things. They can't do anything. Yes,

938
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Speaker 4>So in order to get you don't understand it, guys,

939
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 4>I've called them I don't know how many times. In

940
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 4>order to get business fiber, you have to be in

941
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:16.199
<v Speaker 4>city limits. It doesn't matter if I use the Ethernet cable.

942
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:18.440
<v Speaker 4>None of that matters. It doesn't get It's not even better.

943
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me out?

944
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Would you like to comment on law and how

945
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.920
<v Speaker 4>law works? That it like even law in the secular sense.

946
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 4>You can't understand it as like a totally black and

947
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 4>white spirit of law thing.

948
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:36.000
<v Speaker 13>Well, again, one of the things that I think that

949
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.440
<v Speaker 13>is either influenced by or.

950
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 3>In terms in.

951
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 13>Roman Catholicism, remember we were saying, is thoroughly Cartesian. And

952
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 13>I keep noticing this kind of this this theme, don't you.

953
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.320
<v Speaker 13>So it's kind of mathematical certitude.

954
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:03.760
<v Speaker 3>And but yeah, look there's nothing in life that's that's

955
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 3>really like that other than mathematics. But yeah, law.

956
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 13>Again, you have rules, and you have a precedent do

957
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:20.119
<v Speaker 13>you appeal to? But the judge has to use and

958
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 13>what's really interesting, what do we always say virtue epistemology.

959
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.519
<v Speaker 13>The judge has to use their discernment.

960
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, whether this applies, but they have a rule, you

961
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:31.840
<v Speaker 3>can it.

962
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.280
<v Speaker 13>They have a precedent, they have something that goes so

963
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:36.559
<v Speaker 13>they're not just a whimsical you know, make it up

964
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:42.480
<v Speaker 13>as they go along, judge. But it comes in different degrees.

965
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.400
<v Speaker 13>They can apply that in different that there's nuance and

966
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:50.280
<v Speaker 13>stuff like this. So it's really strange that and you

967
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.519
<v Speaker 13>see it is an orthodox too. It's not just Romancholtics,

968
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:57.320
<v Speaker 13>but I think people who convert to Orthodoxy you can

969
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.199
<v Speaker 13>have that that kind of ridget everything has to be

970
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Speaker 13>I have to have a list of the infallible stuff,

971
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.880
<v Speaker 13>and then like everything in the council has to be infallible.

972
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:07.920
<v Speaker 8>That and it's just.

973
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 3>That's not even what it's about.

974
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:16.760
<v Speaker 13>It's not about getting an infallible Cartesian list of.

975
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:20.480
<v Speaker 8>And what do I call it.

976
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:21.719
<v Speaker 3>It's abstractionism.

977
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:28.440
<v Speaker 13>It's like, congratulations, you made a cartesian abstract, mathematical dungeons

978
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 13>and dragons game in your head, Like.

979
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:32.119
<v Speaker 3>That's not going to save you.

980
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:33.559
<v Speaker 13>It's not going to heal you.

981
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:39.360
<v Speaker 3>And these people are just you know, algorithm worshipers. Like,

982
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:40.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to say.

983
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.119
<v Speaker 4>He's not talking about tag He's talking about the people

984
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.000
<v Speaker 4>who think that church law is somehow like divine revelation.

985
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.239
<v Speaker 4>And it's the same attitude the Pharisees. Right if you

986
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:55.960
<v Speaker 4>think about if you go back and listen to the

987
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.159
<v Speaker 4>debate that we had with Dale, a Protestant. It was

988
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.079
<v Speaker 4>me and doctor Branson versus Dale and some of his

989
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.079
<v Speaker 4>Protestant buddies. If you listen to that debate, doctor Branson

990
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 4>makes the point that the way that the Old Testament

991
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:14.199
<v Speaker 4>Israelite system was set up was the same structure as

992
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.079
<v Speaker 4>the way the Orthodox Church is structured. So you had

993
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:21.079
<v Speaker 4>like a group of you know, Leevites, or a group

994
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:26.639
<v Speaker 4>of sages or rabbis. The rabbinical system comes from Ezra,

995
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:30.760
<v Speaker 4>for example, and it's their job to interpret the law

996
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:35.079
<v Speaker 4>and come up with the right interpretation and to judge

997
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.440
<v Speaker 4>between the parties. You see this with Solomon, for example.

998
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:41.760
<v Speaker 4>That's why Solomon's always talking about judging wisely and not

999
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:44.159
<v Speaker 4>taking a bribe and and so forth, because he's trying

1000
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:47.199
<v Speaker 4>to set the principle that Father Digging just outlined of

1001
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:51.920
<v Speaker 4>a virtuous judge versus just some sort of weird obsessive

1002
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.159
<v Speaker 4>legalists or some sort of weird you know, letter of

1003
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:56.320
<v Speaker 4>the law over the spirit of the law.

1004
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:56.559
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1005
01:01:56.599 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 4>You find that throughout the way Solomon judges and speaks.

1006
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:05.599
<v Speaker 4>So that's in the law itself. Now, when you get

1007
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:10.119
<v Speaker 4>to the Pharisees, they're a great example of one extreme

1008
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:16.000
<v Speaker 4>where they engage in all kinds of misuses of the law,

1009
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:18.480
<v Speaker 4>as Jesus points out in Matthew twenty two to twenty three,

1010
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 4>et cetera, where they highlighted the smaller matters and neglected

1011
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.440
<v Speaker 4>the weightier matters of the law, so that lets us

1012
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:29.239
<v Speaker 4>know there's obviously weightier matters that matter more than the lesser,

1013
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:36.239
<v Speaker 4>weightier matters. They would focus on tithing small amounts of

1014
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.800
<v Speaker 4>spices and whatever, and they would hate their brother, right,

1015
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:42.719
<v Speaker 4>So it's like, what's more important whether you love somebody

1016
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.800
<v Speaker 4>or whether you tithe mint and Cuman? Right, It's like

1017
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 4>it's backwards so they would engage in all kinds of

1018
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:55.000
<v Speaker 4>skullduggery to bypass what the law actually taught. So that's

1019
01:02:55.159 --> 01:03:01.440
<v Speaker 4>one rigorous type of extreme misuse of law that Paul

1020
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:05.599
<v Speaker 4>is quite often in the New Testament disgusting and rebuking

1021
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:08.199
<v Speaker 4>and Jesus too, right, But you can also have the

1022
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 4>opposite extreme, which was the Sadducees, who basically were superlibs,

1023
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 4>didn't believe in anything like angels or resurrection or souls,

1024
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:19.559
<v Speaker 4>as they were naturalistic. They were the libs, and Jesus

1025
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.039
<v Speaker 4>calls them hypocrites too, but he has the most extreme

1026
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.760
<v Speaker 4>condemnations actually of the Pharisees. It's actually worse to be

1027
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:31.320
<v Speaker 4>some kind of legalistic law worshiper or authority worshiper, right,

1028
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:33.559
<v Speaker 4>And I would say that you in Rome, for example,

1029
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:37.360
<v Speaker 4>you get this tendency where Roman Catholics worship authority and

1030
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 4>they worship laws, and that's just really the whole spirit

1031
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:46.280
<v Speaker 4>is contrary to what the New Testament I think is

1032
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:48.280
<v Speaker 4>teaching when it comes to Christ. I mean, how many

1033
01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:51.559
<v Speaker 4>times did Jesus say that the apostles are not to

1034
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.280
<v Speaker 4>lord it over one another. The apostles are not there

1035
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 4>to act like kings and lords, and the very thing

1036
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 4>that the Bishop Rome becomes like the ultimate example of that.

1037
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:05.679
<v Speaker 4>He's the king of kings and emperor of emperor on

1038
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:07.519
<v Speaker 4>the emperors, on the world, in the world. I mean,

1039
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:10.199
<v Speaker 4>that's insane. How could anyone like read the New Testament

1040
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.360
<v Speaker 4>and think that the way the papacy acts in terms

1041
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:16.920
<v Speaker 4>of Middle Ages is anything like the way the New

1042
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:21.199
<v Speaker 4>Testament tells, you know, bishops to be. And I understand, yeah,

1043
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:23.519
<v Speaker 4>there have been. I'm sure there were corrupt bishops. You know,

1044
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 4>in the Russian Orthodox Church and the Bulgarian Order. There's

1045
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:31.199
<v Speaker 4>plenty of corrupt bishops, and Orthodox bishops violated the ancient

1046
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:33.639
<v Speaker 4>canons if they went into battle. I understand all that.

1047
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:37.800
<v Speaker 4>But it's different in the case of the papacy, precisely

1048
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:43.039
<v Speaker 4>because the papacy makes itself the de facto god on earth,

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<v Speaker 4>and no Orthodox bishop could ever do that.

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<v Speaker 3>The wait, what was the question about pat.

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<v Speaker 4>The tag question was how would you respond to the

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01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.480
<v Speaker 4>Barry Stroud critique that transcend arguments just show that something

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01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.719
<v Speaker 4>appears has to be the case logically, but doesn't mean

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01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:09.599
<v Speaker 4>that's actually the case. Oh yeah, And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we would agree with.

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<v Speaker 3>That, Yeah, exactly. We use Barrus Stroud's argument.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've just got to.

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<v Speaker 13>Get them to see see the problem is that people

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01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:30.440
<v Speaker 13>are operating within all the autonomous epistemological categories. So they're

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<v Speaker 13>just thinking, well, they're just doing another thing that I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 3>So what makes that argument better?

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<v Speaker 13>You have to see the radical disjunt that there is

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<v Speaker 13>no solution of it, the agrippas trum trilemma Barry Stroud.

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<v Speaker 13>What Verry Strouds points out, it's true all of these

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01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:50.239
<v Speaker 13>skeptical challenges is absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why it's calling to a radical different way.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't do it.

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<v Speaker 13>You cannot do it from your position within the space

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01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:02.599
<v Speaker 13>of reason alone. I'm an autonomous first of all, because

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01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:06.920
<v Speaker 13>you're not a position to know. Oh the way, I

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01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 13>don't have episdemic standing is what Russ's mannion. And so

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<v Speaker 13>the one who is in a position to note, because

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<v Speaker 13>he created the world, he knows somebody who creates something

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<v Speaker 13>that stands over and above their creation is obviously in.

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<v Speaker 3>A position to know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, JD has a good response to that guy's question.

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<v Speaker 4>Five dollars. Tag does not simply argue that people need

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01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:39.519
<v Speaker 4>to believe X is the case it argues that it

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01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:43.039
<v Speaker 4>requires that X is actually the case. Yeah, that's the argument.

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<v Speaker 4>It's two different layers of argument or levels of argument.

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<v Speaker 4>Thomas Miles has a great point too about system level defeaters.

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<v Speaker 4>The decentralized autocephalis layout is what saves the Orthodox ecclesiastical

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<v Speaker 4>system from the system level defeat that Papism is subject to.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly perfectly stated. Now, good luck trying to get a

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<v Speaker 4>Roman Catholic to understand that basic point. Thank you, Jay

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01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:15.000
<v Speaker 4>and Father Deacon for all you do. I'm sending you

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01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.360
<v Speaker 4>love from Father Josiah's parish, Ao ten dollars, Thank you, Ao,

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01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:22.880
<v Speaker 4>appreciate that Brian ten dollars. I was newly baptized underneath

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01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:25.800
<v Speaker 4>the EP And I learned that some Russian Orthodox churches

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01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.360
<v Speaker 4>don't recognize as sacraments. That's not true. I've never heard

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01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 4>that the every Russian church will still recognize the sacraments.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just that the two are not in communion, which

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01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:42.760
<v Speaker 4>has happened many times. I bought a house here. I

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01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.920
<v Speaker 4>don't know where you mean here? What challenges will I face?

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01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:49.559
<v Speaker 4>I don't where is that? Should I visit us or

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01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:53.440
<v Speaker 4>with Orthodox churches? Honestly, dude, I don't know your situation

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01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.199
<v Speaker 4>or what's going on. It's just I mean, you can

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01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.280
<v Speaker 4>you're not. I think that's father Deacon off On points out,

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01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:04.960
<v Speaker 4>like you're not penalized by visiting another Orthodox church. You're

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01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:07.679
<v Speaker 4>free to do that. You don't have to get permission

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01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 4>to attend another Orthodox church. Andres Palomades became a member

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01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:16.000
<v Speaker 4>Aristotle five dollars. Did you know that Derek Mythvision and

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01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:18.640
<v Speaker 4>doctor Malpass got together and they had a cope session

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01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:23.439
<v Speaker 4>about the spankings that you gave them? Well, actually, I

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01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:26.640
<v Speaker 4>don't know that to be fair, because the Malpass debate

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01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.319
<v Speaker 4>didn't actually ever finish. I wouldn't even call that really

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01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:33.399
<v Speaker 4>a spanking. He ended up wanting to just debate whether

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<v Speaker 4>or not Aristotle's retortion was a transcendent argument, which I

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01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:40.239
<v Speaker 4>don't really care whether it is or is, Like, what

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01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:42.279
<v Speaker 4>does that have to do with whether TAG works or not?

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01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:46.039
<v Speaker 4>That's where he wanted to spend most of that discussion.

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01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:52.159
<v Speaker 4>But I think Derek Mythvision is just super low tier,

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01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:56.520
<v Speaker 4>so I'm not surprised about that. Henry two dollars, here's

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01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.960
<v Speaker 4>a big super chat. How big of a super chat

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01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.560
<v Speaker 4>do I need for you to call yourself, goy, I

1116
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:08.439
<v Speaker 4>don't think it even requires super chets. Eb jay, here's

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01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:11.119
<v Speaker 4>get a better Internet. Sometimes it drops to one frame

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01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:13.640
<v Speaker 4>per second. Yeah, I'm aware of that. What do you

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01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 4>want me to do? So you'll notice right now it

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01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.640
<v Speaker 4>says stream health is excellent, and then it'll drop down

1121
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:23.479
<v Speaker 4>and then it'll come back. I've never been able to

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01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:26.880
<v Speaker 4>solve this issue. Like I said, at both houses, I've

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01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 4>had guys come out ten times to work on stuff.

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01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:36.600
<v Speaker 4>I've also tooled with the OBS frame rate settings and

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01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:39.439
<v Speaker 4>the stream rate settings and maybe I just don't know

1126
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.359
<v Speaker 4>what I'm doing, but I've never been able to get

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01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:46.880
<v Speaker 4>it right, So I don't know. Maybe maybe somebody who

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01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:50.159
<v Speaker 4>knows this shit better than me can come figure it out,

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01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:54.680
<v Speaker 4>because I don't know what else to do. Like Adrian

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01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:59.880
<v Speaker 4>five pounds, here's a wild affirmation. Is bitcoin prop to

1131
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.720
<v Speaker 4>in order to purposely collapse it in the USA? I

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01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.359
<v Speaker 4>don't think that makes any sense because it's decentralized, all right.

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01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:10.439
<v Speaker 4>I mean again, just think about the Orthodox Church. That'd

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01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:13.399
<v Speaker 4>be like saying the Orthodox Church is growing and they

1135
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:15.840
<v Speaker 4>want it to grow because they want to secretly then

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01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.319
<v Speaker 4>collapse it and take it over again. You're missing the

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01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:23.680
<v Speaker 4>point and the power of decentralization. So I mean, I

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01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.479
<v Speaker 4>think if you really wanted to look for a possible

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01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.039
<v Speaker 4>way that bitcoin could be no longer decentralized. A's like

1140
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:34.279
<v Speaker 4>if somehow you got like all the mining under one conglomerate.

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01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Maybe in that way it could be manipulated or controlled.

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01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.880
<v Speaker 4>But if you think about it too, like, no one

1143
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.840
<v Speaker 4>has an incentive to collapse it. If you've got two

1144
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.439
<v Speaker 4>trillion dollars right now of people's money across the world

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01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:53.680
<v Speaker 4>in bitcoin and it's decentralized, you would have to get

1146
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:58.600
<v Speaker 4>everyone in on the dump and the collapse. Why would

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01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:02.199
<v Speaker 4>I want to dump the majority of my wealth if

1148
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:04.760
<v Speaker 4>I have a huge portion of my portfolio and bitcoin,

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01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.680
<v Speaker 4>it just it would be It makes no sense. So

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01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:11.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's a plausible scenario. And I think

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01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 4>if you read about study about bitcoin, you'll see that

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01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.640
<v Speaker 4>that just really doesn't make any sense. Now, I mean,

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01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:23.399
<v Speaker 4>if everyone got on something centralized like ether, and the

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01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.119
<v Speaker 4>whole world in America started running on some sort of

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01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:32.560
<v Speaker 4>fiat eth system which is centralized, it could be controlled.

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01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:35.720
<v Speaker 4>Even if ninety percent of the bitcoin is held by

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01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:39.520
<v Speaker 4>one percent of wealthy people, they don't have an incentive

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01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:40.039
<v Speaker 4>to dump it.

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01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but have you thought about the quantum computer.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I've never heard of that, which doesn't even exist.

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01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.279
<v Speaker 4>By the way, It's like, what if one day, like

1162
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 4>quantum bigcoin takes over and it destroys the existing big cooin.

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01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:55.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like, well, okay, what if one day an asteroid

1164
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:57.760
<v Speaker 4>destroys the earth? What are you gonna do with your

1165
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 4>bitcoin when the asteroid destroys the earth? What are you

1166
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:02.720
<v Speaker 4>gonna do? Are you gonna argue with me when we're

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01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:03.279
<v Speaker 4>all destroyed?

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01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean like, yeah, oh one, I won the argument.

1169
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:06.680
<v Speaker 3>We're all dead?

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01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:10.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right, I want to vindicated. Everyone's dead. Connor became

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01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 4>a member What's Up? Christopher Scott at five dollars? What's up?

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01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.880
<v Speaker 4>Even though a lot of wealthy people have a large

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01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:21.560
<v Speaker 4>amount of Bitcoin, they still don't control the network. You

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01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:26.239
<v Speaker 4>don't understand that. That's why it's decentralized. Cardano is the

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01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:30.840
<v Speaker 4>only decentralized network. Okay, yeah, sure, I don't. I don't.

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01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.039
<v Speaker 4>I'm not. I mean whatever, I'm not gonna have this.

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01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard of them?

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01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:35.159
<v Speaker 8>Uh?

1179
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard of ledye coin?

1180
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Well, Hall Old Knights send a super chatter two dollars,

1181
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:48.319
<v Speaker 4>and he says that Father Deans is half Lamanite. What's that?

1182
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:50.680
<v Speaker 4>That's one of the people groups in the Book of Mormon,

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01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:54.199
<v Speaker 4>the Lamanites. Oh say, he says, maybe you should be

1184
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:55.520
<v Speaker 4>Mormon if you're half Lamanite.

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01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and them half?

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01:12:57.920 --> 01:12:58.079
<v Speaker 16>Uh?

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01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Was it half a quarter net one?

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01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:05.159
<v Speaker 4>When I sent my how tall are you?

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01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Six foot?

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01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:10.239
<v Speaker 4>That's a quarter You're not you gotta be tall or

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01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:11.640
<v Speaker 4>not to be one half net one?

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01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:13.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

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01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:19.279
<v Speaker 4>Uh, let's see, let's talk God. Five dollars poured a

1194
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:21.680
<v Speaker 4>funk go in the pot watch it is dire on

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01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.720
<v Speaker 4>that time he got theological riz. I don't know people

1196
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.079
<v Speaker 4>try to When people try to rap about theologies to me,

1197
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:32.359
<v Speaker 4>it's always cringe. I mean, I don't I appreciate your

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01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.359
<v Speaker 4>super chat gainer Zilla ten dollars. Do you think it's

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<v Speaker 4>consistent that Protestants will say that the immediate successors of

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01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:43.039
<v Speaker 4>the Apostles subverted Christianity? No, what would that be consistent?

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01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:45.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, Jesus says very clearly that the gates of

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01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:49.560
<v Speaker 4>Hell would not prevail against the Church. And I mean

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01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.119
<v Speaker 4>it's not just Matthew sixteen. If you look at Daniel

1204
01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 4>two Daniel two predicts that when the Messiah comes, his

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01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:59.840
<v Speaker 4>kingdom is set up, it grows into a giant tree,

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01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 4>and it takes over all the existing kingdoms. Right, So

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01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.680
<v Speaker 4>what empire did Jesus die under? And was his kingdom

1208
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:09.920
<v Speaker 4>set up under the Roman Empire? And what in three

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01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:13.600
<v Speaker 4>hundred years his kingdom took over the Roman Empire became

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01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:18.720
<v Speaker 4>the Orthodox Church. So it's predicted throughout the prophets. It's

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01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:21.199
<v Speaker 4>not just predicted in Matthew sixteen. How many times does

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01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:24.279
<v Speaker 4>Isaiah say that the gentile kings and queens will come

1213
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:27.239
<v Speaker 4>into the church? Okay, well what church did they come

1214
01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:30.800
<v Speaker 4>into in the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh,

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01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:37.399
<v Speaker 4>twelfth century. It's not the Protestant one. Protestants will say

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<v Speaker 4>that the Holy Spirit guides them to the invisible Church. Yeah,

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01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:43.600
<v Speaker 4>that didn't exist, right, that's the Protestant vehicle that they

1218
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:47.760
<v Speaker 4>invented to bypass the Historic Church, which proves that they're

1219
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:50.760
<v Speaker 4>not members of the Historic Church. Where do any church

1220
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:56.720
<v Speaker 4>fathers teach the invisible church doctrine? Nobody, not even Augustine

1221
01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:03.000
<v Speaker 4>teaches the invisible Church doctrine. Nate five dollars, the clip

1222
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:07.199
<v Speaker 4>of not so aerudit doing her degenerate hand motions, and

1223
01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:09.520
<v Speaker 4>your face when you saw it was hilarious, like what

1224
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:14.079
<v Speaker 4>just happened? That's that's because it was genuine. Scott G

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01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:20.039
<v Speaker 4>five A's I just watched I hypocrites video on Glenn Greenwald.

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<v Speaker 4>Dear God, that's horrendous. Do you mean Glenn Greenwald's take

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01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:27.279
<v Speaker 4>was horrendous or I hypocrite? I have not watched it,

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01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:31.279
<v Speaker 4>so I don't know whose position was horrendous, Eastern Orthodox

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01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:37.600
<v Speaker 4>Journey or you already did that one. Let's see. Scrolling down,

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01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:42.920
<v Speaker 4>h Brosy says for five dollars, choppy internet is actually

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01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.600
<v Speaker 4>based the chat needs to stop whinting. Yeah, that means

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01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:47.479
<v Speaker 4>they're trying to shut me down. Dude, they're fighting me.

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01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.680
<v Speaker 4>Green bear five dollars. If you were to debate a

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01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:55.560
<v Speaker 4>Roman Catholic on geopolitics, what would the resolution look like? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>I think the way I framed it was, what is

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01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.880
<v Speaker 4>a better explanation for the actions of the papacy in

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01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:07.960
<v Speaker 4>the last century? An infallible divine terrorism or geopolitical power

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01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.359
<v Speaker 4>block influence? Because the way I would argue that is,

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01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:17.479
<v Speaker 4>I think that the geopolitical power block influence is a

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01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:24.279
<v Speaker 4>much better explanation than supposed divine guidance and infallible kerorism,

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01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:29.359
<v Speaker 4>because again, like people don't understand. I remember when I

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01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:32.720
<v Speaker 4>was a trad cat, when I first started reading a

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01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.960
<v Speaker 4>lot of like a you know, trad stuff, and a

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01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.920
<v Speaker 4>lot of stuff about Vatican two. The first thing that

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01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 4>you'll encounter, which by the way, you can actually see

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01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.279
<v Speaker 4>Tim Gordon's kind of at this stage where you know,

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01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:46.319
<v Speaker 4>he'll cite AA one, O two five or whatever it

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01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:50.119
<v Speaker 4>is that supposed you know, KGB infiltration of the Cavic Church.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember reading that back in the day and

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01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:53.000
<v Speaker 4>I thought, oh, yeah, that's what it is. And then

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<v Speaker 4>he'll cite ALTA indeeda oh yeah, the Mason's infiltrate the

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01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.840
<v Speaker 4>caloch Church and and all of that is partially true,

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01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:01.960
<v Speaker 4>so it's not totally wrong, but it's like, okay, some

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01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:04.840
<v Speaker 4>of this is partly true. This is a puzzle piece.

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01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:09.000
<v Speaker 4>But it wasn't until I got into doing grad studies

1256
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:12.279
<v Speaker 4>of studying espionage and psyops and that kind of stuff

1257
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.960
<v Speaker 4>reading the whim Hoff book where you really start to realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>so the CIA it was all up in Vatican two,

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01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:24.800
<v Speaker 4>and yeah, there's a Jewish role as well. If you

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<v Speaker 4>read Gordon Thomas's book, he argues that the Massade wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>really influential in the Vatican until John Paul the Second,

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01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:39.600
<v Speaker 4>which seems plausible. I'm not saying Massad controls the Vatican,

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01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:41.319
<v Speaker 4>but I'm just talking about different networks. I think the

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01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:45.079
<v Speaker 4>CIA had a much stronger foothold in the Vatican way

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01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:47.399
<v Speaker 4>prior to John Paul the Second. But I mean, you've

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<v Speaker 4>got normy books and critical books. Whether it's Kaylor's book

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01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 4>or whether it's Paul Williams's book, one's critical of the CIA,

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01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:04.479
<v Speaker 4>one is pro CIA. They all admit, like absolutely, John

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01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.439
<v Speaker 4>Paul teamed up with the CIA to win the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, Kaylor argues that one of the key signs

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<v Speaker 4>of the victory of the West and the Cold War

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01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:16.680
<v Speaker 4>was the not just the John Paul ali Aga assassination attempt,

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01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:20.199
<v Speaker 4>but various stuff like photoshops that John Paul the Second

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01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:25.279
<v Speaker 4>took that were arranged CIA photo ops. Right, and then

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01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:29.479
<v Speaker 4>if you look at the Bush Malta Gorbachew Bush, John

1276
01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:33.479
<v Speaker 4>Paul the Second meeting at Malta, that's a huge concluding

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<v Speaker 4>meeting of the Cold War, setting the stage four where

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<v Speaker 4>we are now, which, by the way, amazingly Again, I

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<v Speaker 4>have some pretty pretty stiff criticisms of some of Max

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01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:48.479
<v Speaker 4>Bluementhal's chapters. But the chapter that he just covered on

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01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:55.279
<v Speaker 4>the neo conservative takeover via net and Yahoo's so Net

1282
01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:59.319
<v Speaker 4>y'aw wrote this paper called clean Break. So after the

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01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.399
<v Speaker 4>assass nation of Yitsuk Rabin, the Lekuds wrote a paper

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01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:06.640
<v Speaker 4>called clean Break, which was to make a clean break

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01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:11.840
<v Speaker 4>with the pro plo pro piece attitude that like Yitsuk

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01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.520
<v Speaker 4>Rabin had, and then they brought in this seven Nations

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01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:21.399
<v Speaker 4>plan that General Wesley Clark famously talked about. Magically, the

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01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:24.600
<v Speaker 4>Big Nine event ends up supporting all of that, All

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01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:27.600
<v Speaker 4>of that has been That's the other puzzle piece you

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<v Speaker 4>see to understanding the wasp Zionist alliance that characterizes the Cold.

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<v Speaker 8>War and.

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01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:43.119
<v Speaker 4>The state of foreign policy after the Cold War entering

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01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:48.359
<v Speaker 4>into a designed and planned war on terror. And so

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<v Speaker 4>Max Bloemhald's book is great for that, but I have

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01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:58.359
<v Speaker 4>again he's he's two leftists on things like nation states.

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01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:06.039
<v Speaker 4>He seems to be quasi socialist. He thinks that geo

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01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:08.159
<v Speaker 4>engineering isn't real. I mean it's so it's like I

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01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:10.840
<v Speaker 4>have some criticisms obviously in that book, but there's also

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of really good details. They're good information even

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01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.960
<v Speaker 4>though there's criticism. So we'll be getting into this. I'm

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01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:19.279
<v Speaker 4>almost halfway through the book. It's really good overall. But

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01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:25.199
<v Speaker 4>Connor began to remember, what's a Christopher Scott? Since five dollars,

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01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:32.119
<v Speaker 4>thanks Chris, let's see gainer Zola says for ten dollars,

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01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:35.960
<v Speaker 4>you misread my question. I know that Protestants are inconsistent.

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01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:39.239
<v Speaker 4>What I mean is a quote fully consistent Protestant. I

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01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:43.640
<v Speaker 4>don't know what that means. Do they affirm the immediate

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01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:47.600
<v Speaker 4>successors subverted the Church? Well, I think in the Protestant

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01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:50.840
<v Speaker 4>world you have a range of views. So the only

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01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:52.960
<v Speaker 4>people that I'm aware of that believe in a complete

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01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:57.600
<v Speaker 4>subversion would be Seven day Adventists, Mormons. They're not Protestant,

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01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:01.039
<v Speaker 4>but they're they have the view that the Church was

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01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:07.279
<v Speaker 4>the Great Apostles. He happened right after the Apostles. Maybe

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01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:13.640
<v Speaker 4>Baptists think that, but what's called the classical Reformation or

1314
01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:16.560
<v Speaker 4>the quote magisterial Reformation, which is a retarded term. But

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01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Luther Calvin Zwingley, those people, they believe that the Church

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01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:27.359
<v Speaker 4>didn't apostatize right away. It just got subverted and infected.

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01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:29.920
<v Speaker 4>But there was still true Christians, right. Calvin and Luther

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01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.960
<v Speaker 4>would say that there were true Christians in every century.

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01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:33.479
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:39.520
<v Speaker 4>So really it's only an a Baptist that I know

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01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:44.399
<v Speaker 4>that are quote Protestant that have the view that the

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01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:51.479
<v Speaker 4>church immediately fell away. That's a classically Anabaptist position, radical

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01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:55.760
<v Speaker 4>Reformation position. Felt it snake ten pounds. Will you be

1324
01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:59.279
<v Speaker 4>doing other shows again? I'm sure I will. I don't

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01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:01.399
<v Speaker 4>know as of yet what other shows are doing. What

1326
01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:04.960
<v Speaker 4>about the whatever podcast is that once a year. I

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01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:10.199
<v Speaker 4>have no idea. It's up to I mean, I all,

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01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:12.359
<v Speaker 4>I just when those people ask me to do shows,

1329
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:18.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, okay, we'll see. Brian asked me to debate Dasha,

1330
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:20.279
<v Speaker 4>and I just I don't think Dasha wants to do that.

1331
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:21.840
<v Speaker 4>I asked about it and she was like, oh, I'm

1332
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:24.800
<v Speaker 4>getting married, and I never heard back. So I don't

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01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:26.359
<v Speaker 4>think she wants to do a debate on there. And

1334
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:27.920
<v Speaker 4>plus I don't know what we would debate. We'll just

1335
01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:31.119
<v Speaker 4>have the same I don't think she's a feminist, so

1336
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:34.279
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that she would want to debate feminism.

1337
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:37.239
<v Speaker 4>So The problem is that there's not many people that

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01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:40.880
<v Speaker 4>will debate feminism. So you know, basically you got to

1339
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:45.119
<v Speaker 4>get you know, basically Andrew just has to scour the

1340
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.640
<v Speaker 4>internet to find like the most insane feminists that are

1341
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:56.960
<v Speaker 4>willing to debate feminism. Can FDA interpret Wisdom of Solomon?

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01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:00.279
<v Speaker 10>I don't.

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01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1344
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:05.600
<v Speaker 4>It's an odd question. Are you able to interpret? Brother Dickon?

1345
01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:07.479
<v Speaker 4>Somebody asked a weird question.

1346
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:08.880
<v Speaker 10>It was like a.

1347
01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Can you interpret the signs?

1348
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:20.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like the Matt slick with Babe. How come

1349
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:22.359
<v Speaker 4>you don't want to go to any Bible texts. That's

1350
01:23:22.359 --> 01:23:24.840
<v Speaker 4>because you don't like the Bible. You're scared of the Bible,

1351
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:26.640
<v Speaker 4>or else you would be doing.

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01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Matt, the Bible is a Protestant book. I ain't going there.

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01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:36.479
<v Speaker 3>I should have just I should have just trolled them

1354
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.800
<v Speaker 3>all more autistic.

1355
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:43.880
<v Speaker 13>I kept I basically kept Remember I said I was

1356
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.199
<v Speaker 13>handicapped and a wheelchair or something.

1357
01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.479
<v Speaker 3>Like that, and he was like, well, I'm autistic, and.

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01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:51.119
<v Speaker 4>No I forgot.

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<v Speaker 15>And then what was weird is like I've traveled around

1360
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:56.800
<v Speaker 15>the country and like people were like, I thought you

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01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:57.520
<v Speaker 15>were in a wheelchair.

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01:23:57.520 --> 01:23:59.880
<v Speaker 4>I thought you were serious I'm like, yeah, but now

1363
01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:03.439
<v Speaker 4>you are, right now, you actually are in a whelchair

1364
01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:09.640
<v Speaker 4>because broke your ankles skiing. But or as they say, snowsurfing.

1365
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:13.079
<v Speaker 4>People have forgotten. They don't know that you had a

1366
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:16.199
<v Speaker 4>debate with Matt Slick. And what was funny about it.

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01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:18.319
<v Speaker 10>Was that.

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01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:23.560
<v Speaker 4>The Protestants all were like, he's scared to go to

1369
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.960
<v Speaker 4>the Bible, and what Father Deacon was doing was trying

1370
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:30.600
<v Speaker 4>to debate him on epistemology, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because i mean what was going to happen is

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01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:41.079
<v Speaker 3>all right, we'd go to the Bible and just like anything, Well,

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01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:45.640
<v Speaker 3>that's not what the verse means. You see the versus,

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01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:47.680
<v Speaker 3>it's the persecuted scripture.

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01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:49.680
<v Speaker 13>I mean clearly means what it says, and it says

1376
01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:50.399
<v Speaker 13>what it means.

1377
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:51.920
<v Speaker 3>And it means what I say and not what you say.

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01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:55.880
<v Speaker 13>And then I'm like, well that that's going to get

1379
01:24:56.720 --> 01:25:00.079
<v Speaker 13>into prior kind of presuppositions of like well why you

1380
01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.039
<v Speaker 13>reading the text that way? Why are and these kind

1381
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:05.199
<v Speaker 13>of epistemic And I'm like, well, let's just save time,

1382
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:06.960
<v Speaker 13>like why are we going to go?

1383
01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:10.119
<v Speaker 3>And this is all Protestants do. They just quote my

1384
01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:12.039
<v Speaker 3>scriptures and create.

1385
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:20.039
<v Speaker 13>The do the fallacy of tech, textonomy, contextronomy, taking stuff

1386
01:25:20.079 --> 01:25:20.880
<v Speaker 13>out of context.

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01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:23.399
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, this is so stupid, Like I grew

1388
01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:24.359
<v Speaker 3>up as a Protestant.

1389
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:25.199
<v Speaker 4>I know that's what you do.

1390
01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:30.079
<v Speaker 3>It's just like he who matches the most Bible versus wins.

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01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:34.039
<v Speaker 13>And then we could just supply our hermaeneutical principle here,

1392
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:38.319
<v Speaker 13>and which is hilarious. If it's so clear and obvious,

1393
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.840
<v Speaker 13>why do you have to have hermaanutical principles to guide

1394
01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:42.319
<v Speaker 13>you through?

1395
01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Is it brought that up? And number two, if it's.

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01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:52.680
<v Speaker 13>Persecuted scripture, if it's so clear, like, isn't that a

1397
01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:53.640
<v Speaker 13>worst argument for you?

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01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Like, then why are you so retarded to get every

1399
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:59.000
<v Speaker 3>verse wrong? It's so clear?

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01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:01.039
<v Speaker 4>So I have to read to you. I have to

1401
01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:04.640
<v Speaker 4>read this to you. This is from the Book of Wisdom.

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01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Wisdom is a gift of God. Reflecting on these things

1403
01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:11.439
<v Speaker 4>and considering in my heart immortality lies in kinship with Wisdom,

1404
01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:15.760
<v Speaker 4>great delight, in love of her, unfailing riches, in the

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01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:17.840
<v Speaker 4>work of her hands, and in associating with her, there

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01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:20.920
<v Speaker 4>is prudence, fair renown, and sharing with her discourse. I

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01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:23.800
<v Speaker 4>went about seeking her for my own. Now I was

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01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.119
<v Speaker 4>a well favored child and I became. I came by

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01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:30.000
<v Speaker 4>a noble nature. Rather being noble, I attained an unblemished body.

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01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:34.000
<v Speaker 4>And knowing that I could not otherwise possess her unless

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01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:37.560
<v Speaker 4>God gave it, this too was prudence, and to know

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01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:40.039
<v Speaker 4>the gift that she is, I went to the Lord

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01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:42.000
<v Speaker 4>and besought him and said it with all my heart.

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01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:45.199
<v Speaker 4>You're supposed to interpret those texts for the deacon.

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01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:51.000
<v Speaker 13>Well, first we're going to have to go to uh

1416
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:53.479
<v Speaker 13>astronomy and the blivements.

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01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:56.199
<v Speaker 4>No, but I'm seriously this guy sent a super chat

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01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:58.119
<v Speaker 4>and he said, would you ask for that? I don't

1419
01:26:58.119 --> 01:27:00.000
<v Speaker 4>know why he said, would you ask mister kool Aid's

1420
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:02.319
<v Speaker 4>please ask for that? You can any us to interpret

1421
01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:06.039
<v Speaker 4>what the personification of wisdom is in these texts? And

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01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:08.920
<v Speaker 4>can you I got to use the restroom, so could

1423
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:11.119
<v Speaker 4>you exposit these I'm.

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01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Looking at on the screen?

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01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:13.239
<v Speaker 8>What is it?

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01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Wisdom?

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01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:23.560
<v Speaker 4>What wisdom? Eight nineteen to twenty one?

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01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:26.399
<v Speaker 3>Listen a nineteen?

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01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:30.079
<v Speaker 4>I just pop it on my personification of wisdom like

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01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:31.960
<v Speaker 4>a woman wisdom.

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01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:40.920
<v Speaker 3>That's a crazy task, like on the fly.

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01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:41.680
<v Speaker 4>I just have to.

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01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:48.119
<v Speaker 3>Go through a text. And nevertheless, when I perceive that

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01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:48.840
<v Speaker 3>it could.

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01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:50.760
<v Speaker 9>Not pain her.

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01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:55.279
<v Speaker 8>Well, I'll do it right here.

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01:27:56.079 --> 01:28:00.279
<v Speaker 13>That's talking about autonomous epistemology right there. H.

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01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:03.800
<v Speaker 3>It was at that point wisdom was also the gish

1439
01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:07.199
<v Speaker 3>she was, so God.

1440
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:08.319
<v Speaker 20>Gave it her to me.

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01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I prayed unto the Lord, and he besought me.

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01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:17.199
<v Speaker 8>Let me see.

1443
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:30.680
<v Speaker 3>It ends at twenty How far am I supposed to

1444
01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:31.039
<v Speaker 3>go here?

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01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:47.920
<v Speaker 8>H I figured it out. I'm supposed to go before

1446
01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:53.880
<v Speaker 8>that that.

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01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:57.319
<v Speaker 4>He's about the room. So it's just the wisdom passages

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01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:58.520
<v Speaker 4>in wisdom.

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01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:03.039
<v Speaker 13>And yeah, he's obviously talking about autonomous pistemology.

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01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm not joking when I perceive that I could not

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01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:08.800
<v Speaker 3>otherwise obtain her except God gave.

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01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:12.079
<v Speaker 4>Her to me. Right. So the personification of wisdom is

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01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.600
<v Speaker 4>in one sense the divine energy of wisdom. It is

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01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:19.640
<v Speaker 4>also the Holy Spirit, and it is also Christ praying

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01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:23.079
<v Speaker 4>about his unblemished, immaculate body. Yeah.

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01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what it looks like.

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01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:30.800
<v Speaker 4>All right, That was it.

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<v Speaker 8>That was the ex Jesus right there.

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<v Speaker 13>But there is a notion of what twenty one is

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01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:40.680
<v Speaker 13>showing those alpa faticism and humility.

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01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly that.

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01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:48.800
<v Speaker 13>You know, it's a divine energy, Like you don't create wisdom,

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01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:52.279
<v Speaker 13>you don't obtain it on and as it says in

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01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:57.680
<v Speaker 13>Matthew and elsewhere, if you exalt yourself, God humbles you,

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<v Speaker 13>and if you humble yourself, God exalts you.

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<v Speaker 3>So that seems to be true. And then yeah, it's true.

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<v Speaker 13>It's thoroughly trinitarian as well. In that passage, I would say,

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<v Speaker 13>we've got Christ and the Incarnation and the Holy Spirit

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01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.439
<v Speaker 13>as well, and the Father and the Father.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's a pretty good ext to Jesus. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Aristotle says, for this is the actual aristotol ten dollars.

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01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:37.520
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember that in your Derek myth vision debate

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01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:40.319
<v Speaker 4>he prophesied that he would have five hundred thousand subscribers

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01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:42.720
<v Speaker 4>by the beginning of this year or last year, and

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01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:48.720
<v Speaker 4>the people would move towards his teachings. Yeahought, I remember that. Adrian.

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<v Speaker 4>There were interesting events happening in Romania and Poland. They

1478
01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:57.560
<v Speaker 4>have to do with the recent elections. When it concluded,

1479
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:01.560
<v Speaker 4>all the extreme left rhetoric flooded online. Yeah you mean

1480
01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:06.479
<v Speaker 4>that or Jescu being arrested and told that he can't run.

1481
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:11.079
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, in fact, I've been I emailed multiple times

1482
01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:12.560
<v Speaker 4>with his people and we were going to do an

1483
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:14.319
<v Speaker 4>interview and then as soon as we're gonna do the

1484
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:19.039
<v Speaker 4>interview is when he he the court banned him from

1485
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:23.560
<v Speaker 4>doing interviews. So beyond that, I've not heard what the

1486
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:26.199
<v Speaker 4>update is, although I think Lord Voldemort mentioned the other

1487
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:29.479
<v Speaker 4>day an update, but I forgot what he said is

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01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:33.640
<v Speaker 4>going on. So I don't know about Poland though. But yeah,

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01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:37.319
<v Speaker 4>NATO doesn't want anyone who's not fully controlled by NATO

1490
01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:44.279
<v Speaker 4>to thank you to have elections. Of course, Ea five dollars.

1491
01:31:44.359 --> 01:31:47.600
<v Speaker 4>You definitely bring in a whole new audience if you

1492
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:52.359
<v Speaker 4>talk about seven day adventism. Nudge nudge. Uh, yeah, I'm sure,

1493
01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:55.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure we would. Why don't some seven day avenues

1494
01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:56.880
<v Speaker 4>call in a debate? I mean, maybe I should put

1495
01:31:56.920 --> 01:31:59.039
<v Speaker 4>that in the title. I always forget when i'm listing

1496
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:02.680
<v Speaker 4>different cults at to put that in the title. Let's

1497
01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:06.319
<v Speaker 4>see Jordan five dollars. There's a saying that if you

1498
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:12.119
<v Speaker 4>don't use it, you lose it. Keep those passes. Noah

1499
01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:15.840
<v Speaker 4>m five dollars. Ask Jamie if I can use her

1500
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:20.039
<v Speaker 4>tallow like a lip bomb. She said, yes, you can.

1501
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:23.159
<v Speaker 4>I work in a cement factory and it seems like

1502
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:27.239
<v Speaker 4>this stuff works great. Yes, let's talk God. No, already

1503
01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:29.720
<v Speaker 4>did that. Let's see noah m five dollars. I don't

1504
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:31.920
<v Speaker 4>know if you've covered it, but there's a big stink

1505
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:37.880
<v Speaker 4>being made on Twitter about this. What's the this? You

1506
01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:42.239
<v Speaker 4>mean Francis meeting with the EP. I mean that these

1507
01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:44.800
<v Speaker 4>kinds of things have happened all the time. What about

1508
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:50.000
<v Speaker 4>the situation with Metropolitan Tikikos being disciplined for requiring that

1509
01:32:50.720 --> 01:32:56.960
<v Speaker 4>a woman undergo corrective baptism to get married. I don't

1510
01:32:57.039 --> 01:33:02.279
<v Speaker 4>know anything about it. She was already christmated top jackomatic

1511
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:10.199
<v Speaker 4>ten dollars. We did him, Jake need him three dollars.

1512
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:14.880
<v Speaker 4>The fallacies of reification and anthropomorphism can be good tools

1513
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:20.319
<v Speaker 4>in addition to your tag work by critiquing God being

1514
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:27.279
<v Speaker 4>too apathetic or too imminent, which, in order to avoid

1515
01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:31.319
<v Speaker 4>necessitates Yes, it's an interestinction. Okay, Yeah, that's interesting. Anthony

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01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:33.359
<v Speaker 4>one dollar? What's service between you? Oh? We already did that,

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01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:39.159
<v Speaker 4>Big Iron ten dollars. Thank you for recommending readings Space Trilogy.

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01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:41.880
<v Speaker 4>I finished it. Do you have any similar recommendations? Should

1519
01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:44.520
<v Speaker 4>I read Wmberto Echoes? I wouldn't read Romberto Echo. He's

1520
01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:55.800
<v Speaker 4>his stuff is atheistic, nihilistic, postmodern Satanism. I don't know

1521
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.239
<v Speaker 4>if you mean, like in general or just in terms

1522
01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:00.640
<v Speaker 4>of fiction. I mean there's a lot of good fiction.

1523
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean, look at the recent fiction text we've covered.

1524
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:07.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, if you haven't read Lord of the Flies

1525
01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:11.279
<v Speaker 4>is a good one, Childhood's End. You know, these are

1526
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:15.760
<v Speaker 4>all just depends on what you're interested in. John underneath

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01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:21.119
<v Speaker 4>your Space I commented an AI image illustrating a system

1528
01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:26.600
<v Speaker 4>level defeating critique an AI image? Can you pull that up?

1529
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.199
<v Speaker 4>Not for one dollar, dude, I don't understand what you're saying,

1530
01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:41.800
<v Speaker 4>arisol five dollars. We already did that. Tain't nothing ten dollars.

1531
01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:46.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry that if you already covered this, But are

1532
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:51.279
<v Speaker 4>you debating the Mormon guy thoughtful faith? He's yes, he

1533
01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:54.279
<v Speaker 4>has already called in. We already had an exchange and

1534
01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:57.960
<v Speaker 4>what he said was completely stupid. But I don't remember

1535
01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:00.840
<v Speaker 4>which of the there's probably ten more clips now that

1536
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:02.720
<v Speaker 4>are out there. I just don't remember which one is him.

1537
01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:11.720
<v Speaker 4>But he's we've already had an exchange. Christopher Scott five dollars, Uh, honest,

1538
01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:13.920
<v Speaker 4>diecast ask father Deacon if he would rather have an

1539
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:15.840
<v Speaker 4>alien to work for him or to work for him?

1540
01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:24.439
<v Speaker 4>Father deacon. Okay, he must have stepped away. Let's go

1541
01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:25.640
<v Speaker 4>to the calls. We've got a lot of people on

1542
01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:42.680
<v Speaker 4>the line here, Godhead, I'm mute, god Head on you?

1543
01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:47.119
<v Speaker 8>Oh sorry, sorry? Can you hear me?

1544
01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:47.439
<v Speaker 7>Ye?

1545
01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:49.039
<v Speaker 20>Huh?

1546
01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:53.399
<v Speaker 4>Go ahead?

1547
01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:55.439
<v Speaker 3>So can I Can I come back to you in

1548
01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:56.199
<v Speaker 3>just ten seconds?

1549
01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:59.720
<v Speaker 4>Okay? Do you want to just wait ten seconds with

1550
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:03.520
<v Speaker 4>so I'll read another super chet Brian. Five dollars is

1551
01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:08.600
<v Speaker 4>the Catholic dilemma of them refuting the first thousand years

1552
01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:13.560
<v Speaker 4>equivalent to the Islamic dilemma. I think when I talked

1553
01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:22.279
<v Speaker 4>about Catholic dilemma it was just contradictions. I would say,

1554
01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:27.640
<v Speaker 4>in terms of basic structure, a contradiction in Islam would

1555
01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:31.319
<v Speaker 4>be similar to the contradiction in papism. Sure, gainer Zilla,

1556
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:37.119
<v Speaker 4>now we already did that. Bastion ten dollars or Oca

1557
01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:39.479
<v Speaker 4>parish is just as good as ro Corps parishes. It

1558
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:42.279
<v Speaker 4>just as paris about parish, man, I would I would say,

1559
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:50.880
<v Speaker 4>check them all out. Lean five dollars. Does the Eucharist save?

1560
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:56.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's part of salvation. There's no singular thing like,

1561
01:36:56.920 --> 01:36:59.199
<v Speaker 4>oh it's just baptism. Oh, it's just the Eucharist. So

1562
01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:01.920
<v Speaker 4>it's just the like all of these things are part

1563
01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.800
<v Speaker 4>of salvation, because we're not Protestants who have like a

1564
01:37:05.800 --> 01:37:09.479
<v Speaker 4>reductionist idea of salvation as just like a one time

1565
01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:14.399
<v Speaker 4>event where you, you know, said the sinner's prayer. Jesus

1566
01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:16.520
<v Speaker 4>says you got to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Correct,

1567
01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:21.600
<v Speaker 4>what if you don't know about this? Again? Too much

1568
01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:25.520
<v Speaker 4>is given, much is required Aristotle? No where did that

1569
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:33.359
<v Speaker 4>gainers ten dollars? I think a fully consistent Protestant would

1570
01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:37.039
<v Speaker 4>have to concede that the immediate successors such as Clement

1571
01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:43.439
<v Speaker 4>Ignacious Aeronaeus subverted the church if they Yeah, I mean

1572
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:53.720
<v Speaker 4>Protestants are never fully consistent. How about that? But the

1573
01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:59.600
<v Speaker 4>Anabaptists will argue that Clement Ignacious and Aeronaus subverted the

1574
01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:04.840
<v Speaker 4>church Lean three dollars. How would you debunk Sevendy Adventism

1575
01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:09.239
<v Speaker 4>by going to the standard reputations of all the other

1576
01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:13.680
<v Speaker 4>sects and cults, like there's no new revelations. Ellen White

1577
01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:18.119
<v Speaker 4>taught that she was a charismatic prophet and she got

1578
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:21.319
<v Speaker 4>new charismatic revelations. Well, if there's no new revelations, that

1579
01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:26.439
<v Speaker 4>immediately cuts out all sects and cults that teach new revelation,

1580
01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:29.640
<v Speaker 4>whether it's Mormon, Muslim, or Seven of Day Adventists. So

1581
01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:34.680
<v Speaker 4>again we've already done link these streams on the canon

1582
01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:39.399
<v Speaker 4>of You understand, guys, it only takes like one argument

1583
01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:42.479
<v Speaker 4>can cut out all the cults and sects. You don't

1584
01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:46.560
<v Speaker 4>have to refute every single cult and sect individually, because

1585
01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:50.439
<v Speaker 4>if the canon of Scripture is determined by the Church,

1586
01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:56.000
<v Speaker 4>that undercuts every Protestant sect or cult, you don't have

1587
01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:58.560
<v Speaker 4>to do all ten thousand of them one by one.

1588
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.239
<v Speaker 4>That one cuts them all out because they're all derivatives

1589
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:05.119
<v Speaker 4>of the Reformation. If the Reformation is false, those are

1590
01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:08.600
<v Speaker 4>also false. I'm not trying to be rude to you, guys.

1591
01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:11.439
<v Speaker 4>It's just like it should be obvious that if the

1592
01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:14.560
<v Speaker 4>Reformation is wrong, all the sects that come out of

1593
01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:17.880
<v Speaker 4>the Reformation are by default also wrong, if it's a

1594
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:21.640
<v Speaker 4>question of fundamental issues like the Canada Scripture and so forth.

1595
01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:27.800
<v Speaker 4>So we just had a live stream on charismatic cults

1596
01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:39.680
<v Speaker 4>right here, heated debates, charismatic Pentecostal stuff right here, six

1597
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:44.960
<v Speaker 4>hours right there, that will also, by necessity, by default,

1598
01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:49.760
<v Speaker 4>also undercut Seven day Adventism. So would any debate about

1599
01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:51.840
<v Speaker 4>the canon. So that's why you don't have to do

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01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:53.760
<v Speaker 4>every single cult one by one.

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01:39:54.520 --> 01:40:00.119
<v Speaker 3>They're not gonna just ask about seventy advenus. Yeah, can

1602
01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:01.319
<v Speaker 3>we get the same people in?

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01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:04.880
<v Speaker 13>Like my stream is your stream? That they've asked the

1604
01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:08.199
<v Speaker 13>same thing too. And I was like, it's kind of

1605
01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:12.720
<v Speaker 13>a weird question because I mean, the critiques that we

1606
01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:18.560
<v Speaker 13>would have of any heterodox theoretical applies to Seventh Day Adventism.

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01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:22.279
<v Speaker 3>And I think the question I mentioned to this individual,

1608
01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:24.199
<v Speaker 3>the question.

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01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:32.960
<v Speaker 13>Displays kind of a Protestant acumenism assumption in it, like, well,

1610
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:35.720
<v Speaker 13>what's the good stuff?

1611
01:40:37.399 --> 01:40:38.039
<v Speaker 3>How do I put this?

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01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:41.840
<v Speaker 13>It's something that a Protestant would ask, So, what's wrong

1613
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:43.680
<v Speaker 13>with Seventh Day Adventism?

1614
01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:47.279
<v Speaker 4>Right? They don't understand the system level defeaters again.

1615
01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:52.600
<v Speaker 3>But it's like, it's not like.

1616
01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:56.079
<v Speaker 1>How do I put this?

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01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:01.279
<v Speaker 13>It's not like there's something unique that like, I mean,

1618
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:03.479
<v Speaker 13>I guess you could dig in and try to find

1619
01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:06.039
<v Speaker 13>some weird thing about.

1620
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:11.239
<v Speaker 4>Uh, well, look, if there's no new profits, then any

1621
01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:16.880
<v Speaker 4>system built on a new profit is canceled out right.

1622
01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:21.000
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, it doesn't seem to yet. Well, I would say veganism,

1623
01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:21.760
<v Speaker 13>there's a.

1624
01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:24.239
<v Speaker 4>Well they're vegetarian.

1625
01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:27.039
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, right, that's vegetarian.

1626
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.600
<v Speaker 4>But an easier like because they're just going to try

1627
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.960
<v Speaker 4>to argue stupid stuff about that, Like why not just

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01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:35.880
<v Speaker 4>say that, first of all, seventy avodes and believes that

1629
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.960
<v Speaker 4>the Church apostatized in the first second, third century, so

1630
01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:42.800
<v Speaker 4>that would violate Matthew sixteen and the promise at the

1631
01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:45.840
<v Speaker 4>Gates of Elle will not reveal against the Church everybody.

1632
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:48.199
<v Speaker 4>Pre Icia teaches the same thing as post and Icea.

1633
01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:52.159
<v Speaker 4>You can go watch my live stream with Inspiring Philosophy

1634
01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:54.680
<v Speaker 4>on that where we talk about the pre Nicne teaching

1635
01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:57.600
<v Speaker 4>and the post nice teaching on the Trinity and episcopacy,

1636
01:41:58.239 --> 01:41:59.399
<v Speaker 4>all that kind of stuff is there.

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01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:03.359
<v Speaker 15>I mean, it's just a weird question to me, Like

1638
01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:09.119
<v Speaker 15>it's the question, what is it uniquely that seventh Day

1639
01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:11.640
<v Speaker 15>I don't that just have a problem that doesn't.

1640
01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:12.520
<v Speaker 3>That all Protestants?

1641
01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he says, my mother is stuck in the church

1642
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.840
<v Speaker 4>and she says that there's a secret truth that this

1643
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:23.680
<v Speaker 4>church has and everyone that goes against it is satanic. Well,

1644
01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:25.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I'm going to be able to logically

1645
01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:27.000
<v Speaker 4>argue with your mom on that.

1646
01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Man, You're not going to be able to you have

1647
01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:30.439
<v Speaker 3>to blackmail her.

1648
01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:33.479
<v Speaker 4>John says that's a joke. John says, were one dollar?

1649
01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:36.159
<v Speaker 4>You missed my last stream.

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01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Lab Okay, I think you guys can have me.

1651
01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:47.720
<v Speaker 4>Go ahead. What's up, Godhead?

1652
01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:50.039
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, how's it going?

1653
01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:52.359
<v Speaker 3>How's it going?

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01:42:52.479 --> 01:42:53.640
<v Speaker 18>Jay uh and.

1655
01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:55.680
<v Speaker 8>And co?

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01:42:56.520 --> 01:42:56.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 10>So yeah, I just want to say, hey, you'll or

1658
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:03.039
<v Speaker 10>your take on trinitarian morganism.

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01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:08.079
<v Speaker 3>It's such a tongue twister.

1660
01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:14.239
<v Speaker 4>Monarchical trinitarianism basically, yeah, is that what you subscribe to?

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<v Speaker 10>You just out of interest? Yes, I'm a believer as well.

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01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:22.119
<v Speaker 10>I am Protestant though, and I think your Orthodox, aren't you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? Okay, well so yeah. One thing I would say

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<v Speaker 4>is like, if you look at the original Nights in Creed,

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<v Speaker 4>it's right there. Athanatians teaches that the Father generates of

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<v Speaker 4>his nature an identical son, identical by nature, and he

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<v Speaker 4>uses the Greek term for generation there versus creation. So

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<v Speaker 4>that is monarchical trinitarianism. Where you have the Creed, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>the Niceno consert polity Creed says that we believe in

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<v Speaker 4>one God, the Father. We believe in the Father of lights, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So typically the one God is referred to by the

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<v Speaker 4>Cappadocians and by the creed as the person of the Father.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's monarchical trinitarianism in its most simple. There's a

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<v Speaker 4>sole source that is the Father. The Father is the

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<v Speaker 4>source of the Spirit and the Son.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you see that bit what you just said about.

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<v Speaker 10>I know you're mentioning about the Father being the sole source.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think the question for me is if the

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<v Speaker 10>Father is unorginated, you know, how can the son and

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<v Speaker 10>spirit be coequal and colternal? Because yeah, I sort of

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<v Speaker 10>feel like with this this idea of should we say

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<v Speaker 10>trinitarism monarchia, the Father is somewhat seen as.

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<v Speaker 3>He's seen.

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<v Speaker 10>It's quite for me a little bit too distinct.

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<v Speaker 4>That means two distinct. I mean we just follow the

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<v Speaker 4>teaching content, one which is Cappadocian, which is that the

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<v Speaker 4>Father is the sole cause. That's what is his hyposthetic property.

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<v Speaker 4>He's picked out as fount, ark, source, and arka, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are all terms that are his hypostatic property to

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<v Speaker 4>pick him out as the source. Hence why Jesus in

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<v Speaker 4>the Gospel says that his God is the Father. So

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<v Speaker 4>even Jesus has a God which is the person of

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<v Speaker 4>the Father.

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<v Speaker 10>But the Father also in Hebrews one calls Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>God as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that right? That's because God is not a term

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<v Speaker 4>that has a single reference. It can pick out a person,

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<v Speaker 4>you can pick out the divine nature, you can pick

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<v Speaker 4>out divine energies, and it can also pick out humans, angels,

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<v Speaker 4>and demons.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, So you obviously subscribe to Father's Son, holy Spirit

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<v Speaker 10>being as.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, equal equal in nature, not in role.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, So do you believe you know, I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 10>obviously believe that the Father's unoiginated the Son and the

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<v Speaker 10>Holy Spirit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Oration twenty three of Gregory nosanzeis where he talks about this,

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<v Speaker 4>and he says that the Father is on originate, the

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<v Speaker 4>Son is original.

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<v Speaker 10>What about in Michael five, verse two, which implies that

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<v Speaker 10>you know, the quest is, you know, eternally existing John

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<v Speaker 10>one Verse one's two.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea, none of we believe in eternally begotten son. There's

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<v Speaker 4>no beginning in time to his existence. So there's nothing

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<v Speaker 4>about monarchical trinitarianism that thinks that the Son wasn't eternal.

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<v Speaker 4>He's eternally begotten, as John one says, he was always

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<v Speaker 4>in the bosom of the Father even when he was incarnate, you.

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<v Speaker 8>Know, you know, do you know one thing?

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<v Speaker 10>I think one interesting thing is that it can somewhat

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<v Speaker 10>appear in a way that it's I'm not saying I

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<v Speaker 10>necessarily believe this, but it would be interesting to hear

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<v Speaker 10>your thoughts on is this somewhat because there's some arguments

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<v Speaker 10>that this is somewhat modalism and in disguise because modalism.

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<v Speaker 4>How would it be modalism when it's almost always critiqued

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<v Speaker 4>as subordinationism and arianism. So maybe you're confusing. I think

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<v Speaker 4>you're confusing modalistic monarchianism with monarchical trinitarianism. Those are totally

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<v Speaker 4>different things.

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<v Speaker 10>No, no, No, it's more like it's more about somewhat

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<v Speaker 10>the risks, like basically dis over emphasis on the Father.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know that this is not different modes.

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<v Speaker 4>In the Orthodox there is no emphasis on the Father.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just not true. The entire liturgy, the entire service,

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<v Speaker 4>the entire ethos is fully trinitarian. There's no emphasis on

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<v Speaker 4>one versity the other. O case, Okay, I would just

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<v Speaker 4>say go at ten Orthodox Church and you could see

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<v Speaker 4>if that's the case. But if you're looking for a

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<v Speaker 4>fuller treatment of this. Doctor bo Branson has an entire

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<v Speaker 4>lecture series that's on the channel GM. Just type in

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<v Speaker 4>Monarchy the Father Bo Branson, you'll get a five part

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01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.359
<v Speaker 4>lecture series which goes through most of these types of objections.

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<v Speaker 4>But go ahead, go ahead and make your point.

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<v Speaker 10>So you know the bit about it, you know, come

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<v Speaker 10>on so late in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>So for us, I'm in the UK.

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<v Speaker 10>So if you look at for example, John one, verse

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<v Speaker 10>one to two and he Brews nine, verse eighteen, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 10>the Son and the Spirit are co eternal.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing about monarchical trinitarianism that denies the eternality of

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<v Speaker 4>the Sun. He's eternally begotten, as nicea One says. So

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<v Speaker 4>Athanatians talks about the son being eternally begotten and receiving

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<v Speaker 4>his existence and his essence and his hypostasis. Everything that

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<v Speaker 4>he has he receives of the Father. Right, as Jesus

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<v Speaker 4>himself says in the Gospel of John. None of that

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<v Speaker 4>entails that there's any form of ontological subordination, or that

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<v Speaker 4>there's any sort of diminnition, right, or that he's not eternal, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, have you not heard me argue with Muslims

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<v Speaker 4>for years. I mean, I'm not trying to be rude

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<v Speaker 4>to you, but like I literally go through all those

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<v Speaker 4>texts when I'm arguing with Muslims to show that the

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<v Speaker 4>Old Testament teaches that the Son is eternal, the Son

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<v Speaker 4>is the eternal God. It's just that the word God

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't have a single reference.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I've heard you debate wanted two individuals, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>Muslims and so forth. Sure, I think the other thing is,

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, what's your case for implying origin this begotten

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<v Speaker 10>and proceeding because I know obviously you don't subscribe to

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<v Speaker 10>feel okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, well, again, if you read the Cappadocians, everything that

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<v Speaker 4>we say is literally what Basil teaches us, what Gregor

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<v Speaker 4>Nazianzows teaches, and as orations, it's what Gregor Nissa teaches

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<v Speaker 4>and against Eunomias, like, all of what we're saying is

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<v Speaker 4>just literally repeated verbatim from them, and they had as

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<v Speaker 4>their chief opponent Eunomius. Right, Eunomius is modalistic, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Unitarianism is precisely what they're geared towards opposing. So I

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<v Speaker 4>don't see at all but I think that they're perfectly

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<v Speaker 4>consistent with what Affanatius taught because consound number one is

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<v Speaker 4>building on the eternal beginning of the son that's pronounced

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<v Speaker 4>in the original original Nicene Creed that the cavedotions then

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<v Speaker 4>build on. So again, I just don't understand at all

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<v Speaker 4>where there's any emphasis over instants on the father or

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<v Speaker 4>subordination to say that there's a role. It's just like

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<v Speaker 4>a king and a son. Right, if you think about

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<v Speaker 4>a king and the king has a son who's a prince,

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<v Speaker 4>they have different roles, but the nature that they possess

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<v Speaker 4>is equal. Right. The prince has all the same authority

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<v Speaker 4>and power as the king. He has the same nature

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<v Speaker 4>as his father, the king, but they don't have the

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<v Speaker 4>same role. And that's why Jesus is always talking about

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<v Speaker 4>the Father as the one that's quote greater, not in

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<v Speaker 4>essence but in role, and as the one whom he

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<v Speaker 4>submits to, whom he obeys, whom he derives everything from.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's actually the Mormon or seeing the Muslim position,

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<v Speaker 4>which thinks that if the son derives his existence and

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<v Speaker 4>if he's not un originate, that he's somehow lesser. But

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<v Speaker 4>if you watch the debate between Jake and doctor Branson.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Branson demonstrates that it's just a logical fallacy to

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<v Speaker 4>say that
