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like a good co host. Hey, what's happening here?
Speaker 2: What's going on? Man? Happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, what we talked about last time, Yes, I got
a couple of reactions from that. That was that was interesting.
Also going on Tim Kelly Short, Tim Kelly Show, Our
Interesting Times. Shortly after that we talked a little more
about that. But you like, like Tim, Yeah, he's cool
as Helena. You know, I'm fascinated by coninc mostly because
con inc is, you know, the enemy. But when the
enemy starts doing things that seem you know, that that
seem out of place and seem like something that they
wouldn't do, I take note of it, and I'd take
an interest in it. Now that it's giving me any
hope or anything. I just think it's real interesting and
it's like a mirror of what we're seeing in uh
of what we've been seeing for a while now.
Speaker 2: There's certainly some glimmers of hope, certainly some opportunities, certainly
some risks.
Speaker 1: What we do know is is that these are people
who don't they're not operating at our best interest or
operating in other people's best they're operating in their own
best interests, the best interests of their donors, the best
interests of their you know, their constituents wherever they are.
And you know, if if, if change does happen and
it happens to benefit us in some way, well good, Yeah,
I won't counter signal. Uh, counter signal too bad. If
you know, if someone's looking to take down you know,
or at least put a message out there that I
think is a message, it needs to be heard. So
you want to you want me to play this video
from Evan Roberts of the Heritage Foundation that I mean conspicuously.
I mean, I mean it is a coincidental that it
happened right after Tucker Carlson interviewed Nick Flansas.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean that interview enraged a lot of people,
and people that most likely didn't even watch it, didn't
need to watch it. And I remember for the week
prior to that, there were rumblings that it was going
to happen, and people were already working themselves up into
a frenzy over it.
Speaker 1: M yep, all right, let's play this. This is interesting.
Play it's our two minutes and thirty nine seconds. I'll
just play it, play it all the way through. If
you want me to stop or pause at any time,
tell me too.
Speaker 3: I'll have more to say on this in the coming days,
but today I want to be clear about one thing.
Christians can critique the state of Israel without being anti Semitic,
and of course anti Semitism should be condemned. My loyalty
as a Christian and as an American is to christ
first and to America always. When it serves the interests
to the United States to cooperate with Israel and other allies,
we should do so with partnerships on security, intelligence, and technology.
But when it doesn't, Conservatives should feel no obligation to
reflexively support any foreign government, no matter how loud the
pressure becomes from the globalist class or from their mouthpieces
in Washington. The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone
of the conservative movement by canceling our own people or
policing the consciences of Christians, and we won't start doing
that now. We don't take direction from comments on x
though we are grateful for the robust free speech debate.
We also don't take direction from members or donors, though
we are inherently grateful for their support, and we're adding
more every day. This is the robust debate we invite
with our colleagues, our movement, friends, our members, and the
American public. We will always defend truth, we will always
defend America, and we will always defend our friends against
the slander of bad actors who serve someone else's agenda.
That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains and as I have
said before, always will be a close friend of the
Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking him or sowing division
their attempt to cancel him will fail. Most importantly, the
American people expect us to be focusing on our political
adversaries on the left, not attacking our friends on the right.
I disagree with and even the poor things that Nick
Flintess says, but canceling him is not the answer either.
When we disagree with the person's thoughts and opinions, we
challenge those ideas and debate. And we have seen success
in this approach as we continue to dismantle the vile
ideas of the left. As my friend Vice President Vance
said last night, what I am not okay with is
any country coming before the interest of American citizens, and
it is important for all of us, assuming we are
American citis, to put the interest of our own country first.
That's where our allegiance lies and that's where it will stay.
Speaker 1: All right, So was there any one word? There's like
one word in there that really stood out to me?
Do you know do you have any idea what word
I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Uh? When he's talking about prioritizing the interests of America first.
Speaker 1: Well, there's one. No, there's another, a single word, he
says before that, Now, do tell he uses the word globalists.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, and your audience might know that globalist is a
is a substitute for another word.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's the thing, is exactly you know,
he says, Oh, we have boor Anti Simmons's and area,
I mean anti said, I don't. I hate the term
anti Semitism. I prefer Jewish aware, no Judeo aware.
Speaker 2: You know. So the.
Speaker 1: Well you you were talking about the comments, So apparently
Nick got the got the comment first comment in here.
He says, I don't know what exactly you a bore
about my views, but we can all agree that free
speech christ in America FIRS should be the pillars of
our movement. Thank you for your courage and standing up
rope and discourse and defending Tucker against the israel first
woke right.
Speaker 2: Yeah he had to be a little bit bitchy, but overall, uh,
very positive. Yeah that can't help himself and being just
a little bit bitchy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Briggs says, I'm well, I'm amazed, amazed and
quite cheered. God bless Roberts. The shrieking class won't take
this quietly. Stephen Wolfe says Patriot. Avid Petrudi says, when
we disagree with someone's thoughts and opinions, we challenged those
ideas and debate. It's shocking how many people on the
right have forgotten this. Sandra McDonald, my respect for you
just shot through the roof dis in it media. I
think this is Michael Heiss actually, well said, meltdown from
neo cons in coming. There's a mel village crazy lady.
It's one of the greatest at names on Twitter. Village
crazy lady. This is a great statement. Thanks for addressing this,
Clint Russell, good for you. Thank you, our buddy. Brandon
Harnish patriot, So what do you what do you take
away from this, uh, you know, defending defending Tucker and
it coming from Heritage.
Speaker 2: I was a little bit taken aback, you know, knowing
what I know about Heritage Project twenty twenty five and
their relationship there recently strained relationship with Tucker, if I'm
not mistaken, they went through and kind of washed their
sight of him fairly recently. You know, they went in
and kind of removed him from a lot of mentions,
a lot of credits.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder, you know, if Kevin Roberts had
the had the sanction of Heritage to do this.
Speaker 2: It does it It begs the question, what's going on
in the office. Is there a firefight right now? Is there?
You know, are we going to get some leak gcs
from them?
Speaker 1: Well, I've yeah, I was told at the beginning of
last year that there were are a lot of divisions
in Heritage, especially in the boardroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People wanted Project twenty twenty five to go through. Some
people were saying it, you know, it went too far.
People were saying it didn't go far enough. You know,
there was a lot of a lot of talk, you know,
and Project twenty twenty five was made. You know, what
was part of you know, I'm sure people remember last year,
maybe they don't. Project twenty twenty five was the boogeyman
for the left anytime they wanted to bring something up
during the campaign. It was Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: But there was a there was a part of Project
twenty twenty five that was kind of at least it
gave me concern. It was Project Esther combating anti Semitism
and trying to trying to treat it as like a
national security threat. And you know, the the former Libertarian
and US always says like, you know, how is this
going to affect me? Knowing what I've posted on my timeline,
But uh, so far it's really just been selectively enforced
on you know, higher education, pro Palestine activism, you know,
all all all these institutions and people that you know,
if you need to stick the FBI on him, like,
I don't think we have very much to say on it.
Speaker 1: No, you know, and it's it really goes to show
that if you have Project Ester there and Tucker has
become such a pariah. You know why this video was
put out because Tucker is just not stopping. I mean,
he's going full in. I don't know if you what
was the what was the thing that I saw the
other day was let's see if I can find it.
But when he was when he was interviewing Colonel Douglas McGregor,
he said something recently that was Douglas McGregor said something
and I'm trying to I'm trying to find it now
some when it posted it up and in my supporter chat,
but it was basically like, let me see it.
Speaker 2: I mean, to paraphrase him. In the Fuentes interview, he said,
straight up he despises Christian Zionists. He thinks that they're heretics,
and he'd basically like to see them ejected from you know,
ejected from the discourse, which right, you know, I can't
help but really respect him for saying that in front
of you know, his his entire audience was I'm sure
is a mix of a lot of different fass still here.
Speaker 1: Let me, uh, let me play this. This is he
was with colonel Colonel McGregor, and this is a short
clip from his interview with Colonel McGregor. Who who is
naming them? I mean, it's I mean, it's just openly
and yeah, hold on, let me see. Yeah, let me
play this.
Speaker 4: If you haven't heard this, why don't any politicians in
the Congress put the open air drug market in Philadelphia
above the threat of hamas well?
Speaker 5: I think you have an answer of sorts, and it comes,
interestingly enough, from missus Muschado. She's the lady that just
won the Nobel Peace Prize and she's from Venezuela. And
she said, if we're liberated by the US Armed Forces
and they remove Maduro, our first act will be to
move the Venezuelan embassy to Jerusalem.
Speaker 4: What does that have to do with I'm completely confused,
Like what she's.
Speaker 5: Hit on something very important. She's figured out where the
power lies, and she's playing to the audience that makes
the decisions. And I think we can pretty much conclude
that we're ruled now by a small group of extraordinarily
wealthy people. Billionaire oligarchs. Those are the terms they use
in Eastern Europe, in places like Ukraine. Yeah, I think
they're in George. I think they're calling the shots.
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to be a genius to read
between those lines. And that's that's kind of what Tucker.
Tucker's function is. He has a lot of normies that
really like him still, and even to the most boomer
Woffen Maga hat guy. You don't have to read between
the lines too hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just seems like, yeah, if Heritage
wanted to disconnect from Tucker completely, that video would have
sounded a lot different. Mm hm, you know that. I
mean it's easy. You know, Nick is a Nick is
a boogeyman that anybody you can use to dismiss anyone
who's ever talked to him, although I mean basically everybody's
talked to him at this point except for like Rogan
and Lex Friedman. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's been on
Glenn Greenwald Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's starting to moderate, he's starting to realize that, uh,
you know, they're his His whole thing is like, all right,
they put these ten second clips of him on TikTok, which, uh,
because of all kinds of reaction videos and all kinds
of outrage from the usual you know, left or center
media outlets, and he's just a foil for why we
can't have any type of discourse. And uh, he I
mean fairly recently has kind of become self aware on
that and is desperately trying to moderate and we'll see,
we'll see where that goes.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's like I've been trying to tell
people lately. Yeah, the the part of the right, you
know that that knows the JQ and is very important.
They're literally they literally act like libertarians in that they
think that the only way that any of this gets
solved is they have to wake everyone.
Speaker 2: Up by smashing them in the face with a hammer.
You are not allowed to be a normy. There is
no transition period like here is a nine thousand point
post about you know, naming them and going through the
entire higher history of the ethno religion of Judaism, and
every single time that you know, every single time, well
going through literally every single time.
Speaker 1: I remember this, this plan by the Mesas Caucus and
the Libertarian to take over the Libertarian Party run Dave
Smith as president because he delivers the message very well,
and he's a good debater and you know, very presentable,
so that you know, they could redo the Ron Paul moment.
They need to wake people up, they need to know
you if we just deliver the message perfectly, everybody will
want to become a libertarian. And that's the same thing
on our side. If you just deliver the message perfectly,
everybody will become woke to the JQ and become a radical.
And that's literally impossible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nope, everybody's different the way you reach I mean,
you have to know your audience, and you have to
know individuals in real life. I've the most success I've
had is just with individuals in real life like this.
My coworkers are like blue collar Catholics. How do I
wake them up to Hey, you know what it's it's
your Your unconditional support for Israel is neither blue collar,
nor Catholic.
Speaker 1: Or American.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you just have to know your audience and
know what buttons to push to kind of at least
get them to think. And I've I don't know, I
think I've made a good amount of progress in my
very limited sphere. My contribution. There's a tiny droplet of
water in a giant bucket.
Speaker 1: And if you just do what you can to help
your you help people realize exactly how the world works,
they can better navigate it so they don't have to
become they don't have to become radicals in order to
be you know, in order for your for your goals
to be achieved.
Speaker 2: No, if I can just get them to be apathetic,
that's progress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or to you know, or if you if they
understand exactly how the world works, they can better navigate
it and that could be to their benefit. Yeah. So
there's this, there's this other conservative thing. I've found that.
This is from the American Conservative magazine And this was
dropped on the same day that Kevin Roberts dropped that video.
And it says title of it says, and this is
by Daniel bogus Law. FBI use a secret threat category
for Israeli criminals operating in the US. Did you know
that there were Israeli criminals operating in the US?
Speaker 2: I had an idea. I had a vague idea.
Speaker 1: The FBI's growing listed domestic threats has mutated in recent
years to include every conceivable affiliation of Americans across the
political spectrum, right wing violent extremists, left wing violent extremists,
black identity extremists, and animal rights extremists. The current administration
has even added nihilistic violent extremists those who believe in nothing,
believe in nothing, Lebowski, we believe in nothing to the
laundry list, the Biden administration, for its part, aided in
this exercise by vastly overstating the threat posed by Trump
aligned conservatives in the waken Jen seven. But neither Democrat
nor Republican administrations has ever grand standard about another significant
group threat that the FBI secretly monitors on US soil,
Israeli based organized crimes indicates or IBox that sounds serious,
Like if you call it a syndicate that I assume
they have some power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would assume too. I mean, knowing, knowing the
little bit of history I know about organized crime.
Speaker 1: You mean that it's that it's not Italian.
Speaker 2: Yes, very little to do with the Irish and Italian mafia.
Speaker 1: Leaked FBI records and court filings detailed widespread money laundering,
taxpayer theft, and drug smuggling. Enterprises operate drug smuggling. That's
isn't that beneath them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought that was more Chinese.
Speaker 1: Operated in the US by Israeli citizens connected or belonging
to Israeli crime groups. Despite the trickle of prosecutions over
the past twenty five years, the FBI has never publicly
disclosed the fact that it has designated resources allocated to
investigating Israeli crime organizations. Twenty twenty FBI intelligence report from
the Blue Leaks hack conducted by the hacker group Anonymous
and archive by the nonprofit Dedas Secrets describes Eyebox operating
in Nevada and Florida embezzling money from the PPP from
PPP loans Nevada and Florida. I know you're shocked, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like did they change their name to Israeli? Like?
Speaker 1: Eyebox have defrauded US government relief programs and manipulated tax documents.
It's at least twenty to fifteen or reduced tax liability
and conceal money laundering activities, as well as have access
to companies and agents which are necessary to process PPP
loan applications. The report found.
Speaker 2: This next part is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: The report also lists instances of eyebox can hitting both
disaster relief and tax fraud, and notes that IBox are
involved in money laundering, extortion, illegal gambling, fraud, and narcotics
trafficking in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, and New York.
According to FBI investigations, No no.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, it's the next. It's the next part
talking about the visa loopholes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As far back as two thousand and nine, leaked
State Department cables obtained by WikiLeaks detailed one of the
reasons why criminals belonging to are associated with Israeli crime
families and syndicates have been able to operate inside America
with ease. The State Department is not authorized to block
their visas.
Speaker 2: Uh, you think Marco Rubio is going to close that loophole?
Speaker 1: The cables warned the Israeli mafia taking on a greater
role in the American trie of ecstasy, and the loophole
which prevents US embassies from automatically denying Israeli crime figures
travel documents.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, that through me.
Speaker 1: While the State Department has formalized powers in its Foreign
Affairs Manual to restrict visas from Chinese triads, Japanese Yakusa,
the Italian Mafia, the Hell's Angels, Banker Gang Outlaws, Bendido's Mongols,
and two dozen Latin American gangs, including Trend de Aragua,
Israeli organized crime groups remain absent. More than a decade
after the State Department cable first warned of the Israeli
mafia loophole. Ah, I will remind people the reason we're
reading this is I would this would have never if
this would have been put out by like, you know,
occidental observer or something like that, I probably would have
just read this and forgot about it. The fact that
is put out by the American Conservative on the same
day that Tucker, you know that Kevin Roberts from Heritage
puts out that little message. I mean, who the hell
would have thought?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the visa exemptions just destroyed me. Like I
don't know whether to laugh or cry or get angry,
but like an exemption car vote for known criminal like
organized crime members for every country, every group in the
world except this one.
Speaker 1: Well, when you take into consideration, you know, one of
their people got arrest they caught up in a sting
in Las Vegas trying to solicit a fourteen or fifteen
year old, and then the the state's attorney, acting state's
attorney appointed by Trump just let him go.
Speaker 2: I mean this is just yeah, law enforcement was instructed
to let him go, right, to not pursue correct, Yeah,
all right, I just wanted to make sure I didn't
get that wrong.
Speaker 1: So going on, given the volume of trade, travel and
trade between the United States and Israel, it is not
surprising that israel OC organized crime has also gained a
foothold in America. When Cable reads, the Consular Section has
revoked several visas for those who have been convicted of
crimes in Israel, but many organized crime figures have no
prior criminal convictions and carrying no visa in eligibilities. As
a result, many hold valid non immigrant visas to the
United States and have traveled freely and attempted to travel
for a variety of purposes. A former FBI special agent
who worked on investigations involving IBox told The American Conservative quote,
there is real Israeli organized crime in this country, and
there's a formalized FBI program for investigating these groups, adding
that they look for the success of other criminals and
then try to build a better model on those. He
also said, quote, once you move beyond that and your
target becomes more sophisticated, they are presumed to be intelligence
operatives and operatives of the Israeli government, and then that
gets moved high side in the National Security Division. Yeah, yep,
a sentence by the way, Oh yeah, I mean it's
Just who the ones who researched this and put it
out is the surprising part. But the information is still
good for people to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A sentencing letter for an international narcotic smuggling case prosecuted
in the Southern District of New York hints at this reality,
referencing the eye box designation and connection to an international
ecstasy smuggling conspiracy. Quote the defendant engagement internationally laundering narcotics
proceeds as part of an Israeli based organized crime syndicate.
In addition to his demonstrated ability to launder drug money
across borders, he also possessed ample global connections in the
narcotics trade and access to narcotics themselves. That sounds like
anti semitism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like we need to send fifteen billion
dollars more. Can we just ad their aid package.
Speaker 1: A second former FBI agent pointed to the recent West
Coast indictment of quote a suspected high level member of
an Israeli transnational organized crime group running an illegal poker
game in Hollywood. Quote. It's no secret that politics inevitably
shaped enforcement priorities, the agent said, explaining why the bureau
has never highlighted its eebox enforcement quote that has not
been a popular thing to wave around in the press,
which is why you see a steady stream of prosecution
as related to Israeli crime figures without the same discussion
of organization you might have with cartels or gangs. So
basically no rite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I mean, let's let's say that the FBI
as as as an institution exists in a vacuum and
is not captured by any any interests, any ethno religious interest.
What do we do with this? Like, I mean, is
there is there any chance that like we can we
can close this loophole? I mean, I know the American
Conservative isn't like, isn't a giant think tank or anything,
but this seems like a slam dunk, especially now.
Speaker 1: It's if there let me just let me act like
a normy conservative or enormy maga maga guy. Well, if
they're not going to go after Epstein, why would they? Yeah? Yeah, true,
All right, there's only two more paragraphs here. So politically
unpopular as criticism of illegal activities by israelis that repeated
espionage efforts have been swept under the rug or at
the very least restricted from public view. In twenty nineteen,
Politico reported that intelligence officials suspected Israel was behind the
placement of cell phone surveillance devices planted around the White
House and in other locations in Washington, d C. According
to the report, the Israelis were not sanctioned with a
formal reprimand from the State Department.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, and we just need to do
something about these Kataris.
Speaker 1: I don't remember who it was. It was a brit
It was like I remember if it was Starmer or
Boris Johnson, who like one of them like said that
they Benjamin at Yahou was over their house and they
caught Benjamin at Yahoo trying to leave something in their bathroom.
Speaker 2: They can't help themselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's every single time. Oh God, last paragraph.
Another potential reason for the lack of visibility of Eyebox
is the changing face of Israeli politics and the increasing
proximity of organized crime figures to the ruling Lakud party.
Ten Lakut officials chose to spend the Jewish holiday of
Sakat with convicted mobster Rafi hiam kodieshim this year. In
the past, members of Israel's mafia. Families elected to parliament
on the Likud line have attempted to use their positions
to quash investigations in organized crime. The FBI did not
respond to the American Conservatives request for comment about the
current status of the bureau's eyebox investigation. I guess Cash
Battel was too busy trying to get get someone's email
and Bob's and regime. Yeah, yep, I mean this is
but you know, I mean, all right, there's a lot
in here that a lot of people wouldn't know and everything.
But I mean the American Conservative why would they put
this out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's a good sign. Yeah, you know,
we're in a tough on crime phase right now, and
I guess you could frame it as that, but you know,
you're still going to be investigated for antisemitism.
Speaker 1: Here I got another one for you. Here we go.
This is from RT so you know, we know it's
not real. This is from yesterday. US lawmaker accused of
sex tape blackmail. Dalia Atar became the first Orthodox Jewish
woman to serve in the Maryland Senate. This January. US
federal officials have charged a Maryland Democratic State senator with
extortion for allegedly masterminding a blackmail scheme involving secretly filmed
explicit videos. According to an indictment unsealed on Thursday, Dalia Atar,
who was first elected to the Maryland House of Delegates
in twenty eighteen and was re elected in twenty twenty two,
became the first Orthodox Jewish woman to serve in the
Maryland State Senate. Earlier this year, court documents alleged that
Atar devised a plan to stop a former employee from
speaking out against her twenty twenty two real election shouldn't
have been reelection bit. Prosecutors say she conspired with her brother,
Joseph Attar, and Baltimore police officer Common Finkelstein, who had
worked on her campaign.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, first of all, would.
Speaker 1: Oh man, It's just there's no conspiratory I mean, how
can art be this anti semitic? I thought that Putin
was owned by the Jews. It actually says that prosecutors
say she conspired with her brother and Finkelstein, who had
worked on our campaign. I mean, that's anti Semitism.
Speaker 2: They they when they're gaming this out, I have to
wonder if they ever consider, like the implications of what
happens if we get caught. How is this going to
make us look like? For for how for how much
in group preference they have? Like do they consider the
consequences to their reputation as a whole when they get
caught for shit like this, Like it's it's just insane
to me?
Speaker 1: Or well here, I mean this is actually pretty promising.
I mean people magazine picked it up, the Baltimore Banter
or the Washington Post, so it's not like it's being hidden,
you know, you know, it's not like the only place
you can read about it is in RT. But do
they care? I mean, though they don't care. There used
to be. They're used to being able to get away
with doing whatever they want. Look at the article we
just read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the contingency is all right where this is not
going to be in any media outlet that anybody cares about,
and if it is, then they're anti Samis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's as Starting in twenty twenty, they work
to threaten the ex employee into silence using covertly taken
videos of her in bed with a married man. The
court documents alleged according to WhatsApp message is cited in
the case, Atar said she wanted the ex consultant to
be a non issue in my mind, that she was
only doing this for her mental health. Yes quote two
years later, she is still looking to screw me badly.
Even more reason why the ladies should be afraid to
come out with anything at any point. Atar was cited
as saying the group allegedly conspired to follow the ex
consultants' movements using a tracker on her loaned car, and
to secure intimate videos intimate videos of her with her
lover by installing cameras disguised as smoke detectors. The documents
say the victim was staying in an apartment owned by
Finkelstein's family at the time. So their landlords, are you
fucking I'm kidding me.
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: The truth is so so antisemitic, it's ridiculous. The indictment
says that Joseph Atar, the brother, later approached the ex
consultant's lover to threaten them with the release of a
video and demanded she stay out of this election. All
three have been charged with extortion, whire it tapping in
other offenses, and face a sentence of at least twenty
years if convicted on all accounts. Do you want to
take a bet as to whether whether any of them
do one day in jail. I'm talking about like after sentencing.
I'm sure they have spent a little bit more jon jail.
Speaker 2: What color is the judge?
Speaker 1: Well, in this case, some weird kind of Turkish kasari.
Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, oh god, yeah, I just hey, they're
they're probably gonna get off. And uh, I just for
how prolific h anti Semitism alarmism is right now, they
have to have some better contingency of what happens if
we get caught.
Speaker 1: Ah, I don't know, man, I mean, what's the one
word they said? What was? What did they say in here?
There was something in here that made me think that,
like this was intern They worked to threaten the lay
using covert court documents, according to alleged Oh yeah, according
to alleged WhatsApp messages cited in the case, Using WhatsApp
makes me in the United States makes me think they
were community kading when people overseas. The only time I
ever use WhatsApp is to is to communicate with people overseas.
I used signal for for everything here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is that is a good point,
Like why, Yeah, that's the only reason why you have
it WhatsApp? When my brother went to India and ended
up getting danky fever and almost dying, Like, that's the
only reason why I got what's app?
Speaker 1: Did he get a chance to at least like take
one dump in the street? I mean, like when in
a room? Right?
Speaker 2: He got sick, like within an hour of being in India.
He had the most stereotypical India trip ever. He actually
went there like for for a mission. And yeah, he
got sick as soon as he landed and then within
a week got danky fever. Uh, transported to the US consulate.
They flew him to Hawaii. Hawaii couldn't do any thing
for him, so they flew him to California and like
in the meantime, he's just dying.
Speaker 1: Dad, Why would did why did he go to India?
Speaker 2: He my my brother has lived like twelve lives. He's
twenty six years old, and he's been all around the world.
He has he's actually in Singapore right now. You know.
He complains about how like I'll never afford a house,
I'll never be able to like find like a normal
woman and live the American dream like like every zoomer
and then like he's just like, I'm going to go
to Europe for like a month and just like live
in hostels. He knows, he knows people all around the world.
But he went to India for I think like a
because he just wanted to go and see it. This
was This was a couple of years ago, so before
India was what we know it to be. Now we
kind of knew what it always was, but uh now
we definitely know. But yeah, so he went there just
like with a mission, like a Christian missionary group and
uh yeah, it was like his ticket to just go there. Uh.
Speaker 1: So, I guess we'll do this last one. This is uh,
this one actually came out today and you sent me
this one, so you can comment on this one. While
you thought this one was so important, I'll start reading.
So Fyodor Fyodor, Fyodor, Look Lukaya luk luke kyanoff, Yeah, Lukianoff.
As the US and China collide, other civilizations for prepare,
prepare their own course. The era of polite globalization is
over and civilian civilizations are back. So I think we're
gonna have some Aaron wants to talk about serious stuff here, guys,
Everybody strap in. The well worn business phrase push and
pull neatly captures the essence of today's US China relations.
What once looked like a competitive partnership has hardened into
a contest of wills, power, and identity, one that will
shape the global order for years to come. For much
of the late twentieth century, in the first decade of
the twenty first, the dominant Western assumption was that the
world was moving toward a liberal universal order. Economic interdependence,
global markets, and a single rules set were supposed to
smooth away historical grievances and cultural differences. In that vision,
civilizational identities, the deep structure, the deep structures of tradition, culture,
and worldview were treated almost as relics. That era is over.
The liberal order began to crack long before Donald Trump
entered the White House, but his arrival made the rupture
visible and irreversible. As the old framework faltered, the pendulum
swung back toward identity, difference and civilization civilizational self assays.
The question now is not whether this Trump this shift
is happening, it clearly is, but how the world will
function within it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Anything Now, I think It's a pretty good encapsulation of
what the last forty years was like. We were just
rocketing towards this ideal of I mean, I'll see a
global government that was supposed to make everything, you know,
you'll own nothing and like it. And that was never
meant to be. And I don't think I think regardless
of whether Trump came about or not, it was destined
to fracture. It just so happened that the United States,
that US politics were the catalyst.
Speaker 1: And without even really trying, Trump basically helped move that along,
maybe sped round it a little bit. You know. Yeah,
it's that whole thing about you know, Trump demands not important,
it's what he represents. I mean, I know that that's
a most a cliche at this point, but I think
there is a lot of truth behind it. So the
next section is titled the Trump Effect. George W. Bush
once promised compassionate conservatism. Barack Obama framed power and eloquent
multilateral terms. Trump dispensed with such packaging. In less than
a year in office, he changed not only American diplomacy,
but global expectations. The global expectation surrounding it. Washington, under
Trump rediscovered a bluntness that previous generations tried to bury
under layers of institutional polish. Part of this is personal theater,
his brusqueness, his disregard for protocol, and his habit of
airing grievances and demands in public. His supporters view this
as refreshing authenticity, a break from the professionalized hypocrisy of
the establishment. His critics call it dangerous. Either way, it
has been effective in forcing other players to adjust. Yeah, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 2: It's actually a little bit later in this article, but
the way he describes just the mode of our foreign
policy and our diplomacy as like just very polite layers
under just extremely complicated bureaucracy, Like I think that perfectly
encapsulates like the Obama era, and I could never really
articulate to normies, Like, you know, why was Obama bad?
He seemed like such a nice guy. He was such
an eloquent speaker, and like that's actually the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can. It's easy to hide behind form
and yeah, form, and I guess I don't know a
nice brown suit.
Speaker 2: His only scandal.
Speaker 1: Form dictates substance peace through strength, long a core American
formula now translates into course of bargaining, tariff threats, open blackmail,
and public humiliation of rivals and allies alike. The administration
has embraced this as a governing philosophy. Diplomacy is a battlefield,
hesitation is weakness, and courtesy is optional.
Speaker 2: Base.
Speaker 1: In a cultural sense, Trump resurrects a caricature Europeans once
drew of Americans, brash, self assured, contemptuous of nuance, Convinced
that power is the most honest argument, the farmer republic
instincts that nineteenth century observers attributed to America confidence of
one's rightness suspicion of subtlety are back on display. Trump
is proud of this, and whether one likes it or not,
he remains leader of the most powerful country on earth.
Everyone must factor that reality into their strategies. There is
a paradox here. Let me finish this part of this section.
There is a paradox here. Trump's bluntness, while abrasive, can
be easier to deal with than Washington's more polished double speak.
As President of Vladimir Putin has implied, it is simpler
to negotiate with someone who states his demands plainly than
with a smiling technocrat who buries intent under abstractions. But
bluntness without proportion is dangerous, and Trump often treats diplomacy
as if it were television stage, where escalation is drama
rather than consequence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that paragraph you now. For the last forty years,
or or at least prior to Trump, I mean, Washington's
more polished double speak. It's simpler to negotiate with someone
who states his demands plainly then with a smiling technocrat
who buries intent under abstractions. That's what we've had our
entire lives. That's been our foreign policy. Everything needs to
be layered in like this flowery language can stilly language,
but you know, we'll also drone strike you.
Speaker 1: I think that's why Trump likes someone like Lindsay Graham.
Lindsay Graham comes right out and just says shit, yeah,
well yeah, I don't like I don't like the homo.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna say, like take your pants off, boy,
direct to the point.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean about bombing other countries and just I
mean just insane, a different civilization. The most revealing contrast
to the style is China. In raw capacity, Beijing has
either reached parity with Washington or will soon do so.
That makes its America, That makes it America's primary geopolitical rival,
a structural fact that transcends personalities. Culturally, the two powers
cannot be more different. Where Trump prizes dominance and spectacle,
Beijing values continuity, discipline, pat face saving, compromise, and a
belief in gradual managed evolution, whereas we believe more in
gradual managed decline. China entered the global system expecting mutual
benefit and predictable rules. It did not expect and doesn't
particularly like, the American turn toward open intimidation during Trump's
first term. Chinese officials hope this was a passing phase.
Trump's second term disabuse them. The pressure is heavier, the
confidence greater, and the provocations more deliberate. China has responded
in kind, abandoning its previously understated posture for sharper language
and reciprocal signaling. Beijing is learning to answer bluntness with bluntness,
though it does so reluctantly. It is still cultural and
culturally uncomfortable with open confrontation. Yet the leadership understands that
the era of polite strategic ambiguity is gone. This phase
coercion versus resolved threat versus counter threat is no temporary disruption.
It's the new normal, push pull and the new order.
The future of US China relations will follow a rhythm
familiar to business negotiators. Pressure, pause, partial deal, break down, repeat.
Each side will test how much harm it can threaten
without tipping into disaster. Washington will push first, that is
Trump's instinct. Beijing will push back, no longer willing to
absorb blows silently. This is not a new Cold War.
It is something more fluid and unpredictable. Today's world is
not bipolar. It is a system in which other major actors,
from Russia and India to regional coalitions in the Middle East,
Eurasia and Latin America will assert themselves. But the central
access of what God.
Speaker 2: I disagree with him here. I think that all of
those regions he just mentioned are going to come under
the auspices of either usagemony or Chinese emy, and that's
going to be the great power competition.
Speaker 1: What do you think of I mean saying that, I
mean I would like Russia to be our friend, yeah,
but I mean that doesn't seem to be, you know,
with the people who you know, with with with all
the best ethnic Ukrainians in the in our government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the h I think the best we can hope
for is that Russia is simply just not We're not antagonistic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be best.
Speaker 2: You know, historically I don't think like and correct me
if I'm wrong, but I don't think the US and
Russia have historically been friends per se, but certainly not in.
Speaker 1: Definitely been friendly at times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, thanks for Alaska.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I I was recording an episode
this afternoon and we were talking about, you know, like
the future of Europe, and we basically said, if the
future of Europe is not going to be Islam, then
Europe is looking at two things to solve that problem.
One is going to be a race war. Yeah, and
two they're going they're going to have to have Dayton
with Russia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, day Tent with Russia. I mean there, but you
still think they're going to be a pan European super state, right, yeah,
all right, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think well, I mean who Russia.
Speaker 2: No, no, Europe.
Speaker 1: I yeah, well, I mean if Russia falls, if they
fall under the influence of Russia, then I think it'll
be very much like a very watered down version of
what East Germany was like. You still get to you
still get to be German, but you know, you're basically
our partner because you know, you're you're a peninsula that
has no natural resources and we have them all. Yeah, yeah,
but you have manufacturing, so you know, you can help yourself.
You know, Europe can help themselves at least in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's going to have to be a
big Yeah, there's going to have to be a big
shift in Europe before that's even consideration. And I think
the race war happens first.
Speaker 2: Do you think the race war happens if the industrialization
happens first?
Speaker 1: I think it's inevitable no matter what. Yeah, all right,
but the central access of the transformation is US China. Divergence,
the symbiosis of interests that define the last forty years
has ended. Interdependence is now a battlefield, not a stabilizing force.
So after Trump, but.
Speaker 2: I mean, I remembering what little I do about Pat Buchanan,
he had always said that that the entire system of
globalism is based on interdependence being a stabilizing factor. But
it's actually the exact opposite, because you have civilizational cultural
religious differences that cannot be overcome.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we had a long discussion about that this
afternoon too. How how Christians can no longer live alongside
non Christians?
Speaker 2: Yep, I was just thinking about it earlier, you know,
the nationalism part of being a Christian nationalist and the
tendency for Christian nationalists to wander away into internationalism, especially
with what's going on in certain Sub Saharan African nations
right now.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, you know, And I mean we have a
common enemy we need to defeat, and any non Christians
who want to join in that fight, I'm good with.
But after that, we're just going to have to We're
gonna have to figure something out. Yeah, after Trump, Trump
will not remain president forever, and China itself is evolving.
A calmer phase may follow, or tensions may sharpen even further.
The decisive variable will be will not be ideology, but
power distribution. I mean that's what it always is, right,
It's never ideology. I mean, ideology is the excuse ideology
can be most of the time. Ideology is harmful. But
you know, power is where everything is at. Civilization an identity,
civilizational identity adds depth to the contest. Economics and technology.
Given urgency, leadership styles determine the tempo. The only certainty
is that we are witnessing a structural shift, not a
passing quarrel. Globalization's most ambitious phases over a world of
civilizational players, sometimes cooperating, often competing, has arrived, and the
relationship between the United States and China will define its
contours more than any other single factor. I think that's
pretty much hard to argue with at this point.
Speaker 2: M h yeah, that's that's what drew me to this article.
Is it just perfectly summarized the past, present, and future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's uh, you know, talk about
a couple of things where you know, it's really just
stuff that needs needs to be isn't really isn't really
applicable until the occupation regime is defeated. But you know,
in the meantime, if you are, if you're one of
those people who understands it the best way right now
is not national politics because you're not going to fix
national politics, but local, county and state, then you know,
you really do have to think about who you can
start thinking now and planning and talking about who you
want to live around and who you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only, the only contribution we can make to
national politics realistically is just leverage, leveraging on the margins.
Speaker 1: As a movement, helping us to try to burn faster
than it could possibly could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just letting letting our elected officials know that
come election time, if you are not taking us into account,
then you're not getting our vote. Doesn't mean we're going
to vote for your enemies. But you know, that's that's
something that Foytase has figured out. I don't know successfully
or not, but it'll be interesting to see the the
midterms and the next election.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I think it's one of those things
where you where a lot of people are going to
threaten with their vote and not even vote. Yeah, I mean,
I think, yeah, it's really it's at this point, at
this point, it's more important for you to vote for
your school board, your school board, and your mayor and
your sheriff than it is president of the the United States.
M Yeah, at least you at least you can know
them and know where they live. Yeah, just see, just
so you can take them cookies on the holidays.
Speaker 2: Spoken like somebody who lives in Alabama and not Massachusetts. Yeah,
you're fucked.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's where your people are from. Man,
it's kind of hard to kind of kind of. I know.
I tell people it's you know, if things are getting
really bad and get out, But I also understand people.
You know, people's culture and people's family and where they're
from is really important. So it's hard for me, you know.
That's Yeah. I try to just say, you know, you
got to just do what's best for you your family. Yeah,
if you're raising kids, like, if you're raising a kid
like you are, being around family is important, not only
because you have built in babysitters, but you know, you
want your kids to be around their family.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You have to trust that your enemies are too
incompetent and also not bring too much attention to yourself. Unfortunately,
that's the best I can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, man, let me get out of here.
Everybody go. So Timeline Earth released a ten and a
half hour Halloween episode. Are you anywhere on it?
Speaker 2: I am? I am actually on the last segment.
Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't gotten that far yet. Good good good
to you to put some time in over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think I've recorded with you more hours
than I have with TL in the past three months.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm certain like you've recorded more with me in
the last five years than you have with TLE. Completely
like overall.
Speaker 2: I know where my bread'spoked. It is certainly not at
a crackhouse.
Speaker 1: All right, man, have you good weekend. Thank you.