WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:07.000 Welcome friends and podcast podcast is done? 2 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:11.080 Show back again right there? Talking about Bob? 3 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:19.679 What is it? It's your pet? 4 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:22.920 Number one? If you've got to keep him out of 5 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:31.359 bright life. Number two, keep him away from water. It's 6 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:35.840 incredible and probably the most important thing. Don't ever feed 7 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:43.320 him after midnight? Do you? What are these things? 8 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:51.200 Gremlins? 9 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:56.520 That was I'll bet every kid in America would like 10 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:58.600 to have one. They might even replace the dog as 11 00:00:58.600 --> 00:00:59.280 the family pet. 12 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:04.000 Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is 13 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:05.400 Zachie Son. I'm here with Brian Hall. 14 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:07.840 Hey, how's it going, Zachi? Brian? 15 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.920 You know, I feel like it's a test of character 16 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:15.519 whether you know the three absolutely inviolable rules. Whenever I 17 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:17.799 meet somebody, I say, there are three rules, and you 18 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:19.760 cannot You cannot defy them. 19 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.519 That's right. You do not talk about politics or religion 20 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:23.439 at the dinner table. 21 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.319 Those are those are the less important rules? 22 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.719 Oh oh well, fill me in. What are the more 23 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:30.040 important rules? I need to know these? 24 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:36.359 Well? Number one, never expose them to light, don't get 25 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.840 them wet, yes, And most importantly, no matter how much 26 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:45.319 they beg do not feed them before noon. 27 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:48.760 Oh okay, I did see it written out when I 28 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:53.760 saw twelve. So I just assume I surely got the gist. 29 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.480 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure if you follow those three exactly 30 00:01:57.519 --> 00:01:59.680 as I stated, everything will be fine. 31 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:05.000 Perfect. So we're here to talk about Gremlins. 32 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.719 Gremlins is you know, Gremlins is a It is a 33 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.919 very specific memory, That's what I've realized, because I don't 34 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.120 know that this is a movie that has transcended in 35 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:15.919 the way that, for example, Back to the Future has. 36 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.919 I was thinking about that as I was watching it, 37 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.479 because I feel like it's something everybody knows, even when 38 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.479 my parents are in town now because Christmas is upon us, 39 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:29.439 and I mentioned that I was watching Gremlins. Oh Gremlins. Yeah, yeah, 40 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.120 you know, like, but it's not something you see replayed 41 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.439 on television a lot. I don't feel like you see 42 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:39.000 as many toys. Yeah, you know, there's certain toys that 43 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:40.240 have transcended, you know. 44 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.080 I mean, well, I was, as it happens, I was 45 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:43.879 at Target a couple of weeks ago, and I saw 46 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.919 a gizmo on the toys for grown ups, and I 47 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:48.960 was absolutely delighted because because of what you kind of 48 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.639 what you say, like I I would not have thought 49 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.479 that you would see a thing such as that. 50 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:55.840 Yeah, I stand corrected. I mean, and he is such 51 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:59.879 an iconic design, right, He's just immediately adorable, so much 52 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.800 so that apparently later you know, Ferby basically ripped them off. 53 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.840 So bastards. But yeah, but this is also one that 54 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.639 I think I was a little young when it came out, 55 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:12.759 too young for it, so I kind of had to 56 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.719 find it along the way, And you know, it was 57 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.039 I was a little bit older, like in my teens, 58 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:19.840 I think when I first saw it. Oh really, even 59 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:23.199 though I was very familiar with it. Oh that's interesting. Yeah, Like, 60 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:25.159 it wasn't something I got from the video store. It's 61 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.879 probably something I saw on television, okay, and then it 62 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.039 was like oh and then probably the Steven Spielberg of it, 63 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.599 you know, present like, oh, okay, I should this should 64 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:33.639 be something I watch. 65 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.199 Well, with that in mind, speaking of something you should watch, 66 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.919 why don't we start watching it? Yes, and then we 67 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:44.240 can continue this conversation. Let's so, folks, we are watching 68 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:47.039 the nineteen eighty four original Gremlins. There's only one cut. 69 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:48.599 It is the theatrical cut, So if you want to 70 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.240 watch along with us, you're certainly welcome to do so 71 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:53.680 if not, hey, we'll try to keep this an interesting conversation. 72 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.719 Hopefully drop some drop some factoids, some nuggets, some words 73 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.199 of wisdom along what we've learned from a lifetime of 74 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.879 battling gremlins. Yes, uh, so let's do this thing. We'll 75 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:07.919 do the usual thing. Hit play on three one two 76 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:10.520 three play Brian, You're ready, I'm ready, all right, here 77 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.199 we go one two three play. 78 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:17.399 So right up top. 79 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.720 Worth mentioning that this movie was the first one to 80 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:26.040 bring back this classic Warner Brothers shield. Uh and Warner 81 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.279 Brothers liked the look so much that they brought it 82 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.519 back for their other films. But up you know, day 83 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.639 before this, they had been using the kind of art 84 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:35.600 deco looking not art, not really art deco, kind of 85 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.519 a you know, I'm talking about it, like the three. 86 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.839 What's that like the Saal bass. Yeah. 87 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:42.639 I was about to say, yeah, the sal bass looking thing. 88 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.160 Yeah, so yeah, yeah. Interesting. You know, I've never loved 89 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:45.519 that one. 90 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:46.480 I'm not a fan. 91 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:48.920 It doesn't make me warm and fuzzy where I'll say 92 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:51.120 the shield does. Well, that's because that's what we grew 93 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:55.120 up with, right, definitely, I mean and then also, I 94 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:57.720 don't know, there's something aesthetically nice about it, the blue 95 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.319 and orange and the clouds, and yeah, I mean it's 96 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.480 definitely the one that I love the most. Yeah, and 97 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.120 I know recently, I think with Barbie now they have 98 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.480 sort of a more updated version of it. And I'm like, no, 99 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.399 speaking of Warner Brothers, when you go on the Warner 100 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.120 Brothers tour, they take you down a street, you know, 101 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:19.319 a fake city street, and they say, you know, at 102 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.240 the end of this is where Prince shot the image 103 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.360 of him on the motorcycle and purple rain and over 104 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.600 here this little staircase, this is the entrance to the 105 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:32.800 shop in Gremlins, And wow, so kind of cool. 106 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:38.279 So hoyt Axton as Randall Peltzer as I do. I 107 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:40.040 looked it up. You know how old he was in 108 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:40.560 this movie? 109 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.000 Oh my gosh, how much forty five? Forty five so 110 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:51.000 our age? Yeah, yeah, so I rocketed right past Billy 111 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.519 and ended up at rand Wow. Well, and I saw 112 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.399 that the mother is thirty nine. 113 00:05:58.279 --> 00:05:58.639 Wow. 114 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:02.120 And yeah, it's just it's just interesting. In the eighties 115 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.279 they had people just old, you know, of a certain age, 116 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.079 dressing more dowdy, you know, or you. 117 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:09.759 Know what's funny though, this is this is a testament 118 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:11.360 to I think me just getting older. I watched this 119 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:13.600 and I'm I'm looking at at Hoite accident over here. 120 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:15.240 I'm like, man, that's a nice looking hat. 121 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.079 That's yeah. You know, it's funny you say that because well, 122 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.040 I know, you do rock a fedora and you you 123 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:23.319 kill it. I mean, certain people can pull that off. 124 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.279 But actually, this very shot we're looking at right now. 125 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:28.639 When I watched this two nights ago, I did think, 126 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.680 I I it's it's just a shame that we lost 127 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.759 the fedora. I agree, you know, just by and large 128 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.399 of you know, going into the office and taking off 129 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:41.439 your fedora. You know, there's something classy about it. Yeah. 130 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.600 I don't know now, I don't have the subtitles on, 131 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.079 but I think this gentleman is offering him frogert. 132 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:55.079 Which is cursed. 133 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:57.160 That's good. That's bad. 134 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:03.360 The topping is made of potassium benzo weet, that's bad. 135 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.800 I was watching this scene, you know, and you have 136 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:09.959 Key Luke as grandfather. 137 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.920 And I was kind of like, is this racist? You know, 138 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.879 I was doing you know, it's funny. I've seen think 139 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.360 pieces on it. Yeah, and some could feel yeah, I 140 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:24.399 mean these are sort of very generalized, stereotypical sorts of imagery. 141 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.360 We're seeing of an Asian man here with the pipe, 142 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.199 and you know, maybe slightly mystical. And then I've seen 143 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.560 other people saying that maybe this is an allegory about 144 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:37.480 how American culture tries to exploit other cultures. 145 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.680 You know, yeah, well I definitely had that thought watching this. Yeah, man, 146 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.920 this is like, this is just America coming in. It's like, hey, 147 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:45.959 I'm gonna take this. It's like no, no, no, you absolutely shouldn't. 148 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:47.079 I'm gonna take it anyway. 149 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:49.399 It is kind of funny. I mean, this boy's like, here, 150 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.759 take it, and he's just like, yeah, all right, even 151 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.560 though like your grandfather explicitly said he's like sure, a 152 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.879 little kid, I'll take this for me. 153 00:07:58.040 --> 00:07:59.959 He doesn't say like, well no, Willie, we should check 154 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:01.000 with your grandpa, you. 155 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.439 Know exactly exactly. 156 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.560 What's interesting though, is that especially you know, the way 157 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.040 White Acton plays him. But I mean, rand Peltzer is 158 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:14.120 so lovable, he's great, yeah right, yeah, and I think 159 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:14.720 that helps. 160 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:19.399 Oh yeah, yeah, he seems well did you read that 161 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.920 Pat Hinkle read for this role really ok? And they 162 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:27.800 said he was really good. But you know, his character 163 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.000 is sort of a failed inventor. Yeah, and they said 164 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.960 that pat Hingle really leaned into the drama of that, 165 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.159 and it just made it sort of sad, you know. 166 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.399 And here this guy is a little bit I would 167 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.759 he's not clumsy or goofy, but he's also you can 168 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.480 see he's frustrated, but he kind of keeps his chin up. 169 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.559 You know, right, he always sees the positive side. 170 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.519 Exactly, And they leaned toward that, and I think that 171 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:54.039 makes sense. 172 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:55.559 I think that's the right tone. 173 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.279 Yeah. And by the way, I mean, another fun fact 174 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.120 about him is that he was a songwriter and he 175 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:06.080 wrote three Dog Night's Joy to the World. Wow. 176 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:06.840 I didn't know that. 177 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:10.600 Actually incredible. Wow. Yeah. And I guess he had been 178 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:13.000 in The Black Stallion before this, which is where they 179 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.879 noticed him. Okay, okay, which I haven't seen that a 180 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:18.600 long time. Did you ever show that to your kids? 181 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.799 Never shown which I haven't seen it since the eighties? Probably? 182 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:23.159 Yeah. I was gonna say, I feel like that was 183 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.440 something they even showed us in school. But yeah, I 184 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.360 speaking of a movie that's been lost a little bit 185 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:28.840 to times. 186 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.360 Yeah, right, I think Francis Koppla produced that, didn't. 187 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:36.840 He Uh oh? Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, 188 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:41.200 and then uh oh shoot, you know the woman who 189 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.879 rody Tea shoot him losing it, but she she wrote that, 190 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.240 and then she was Lyssa Matheson. I was, I was 191 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.840 thinking of the Yeah, anyway. 192 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.919 This nice little shout out to Steven Spielberg. 193 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:54.519 By the way, there's a lot of them. Oh yeah, 194 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:55.759 it's it's kind of funny. 195 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.720 They should call it Spielbergville, you know, it was kind 196 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:00.559 of fun Well. 197 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.559 Let's appreciate Hill Valley by the way. Here Hill Valley 198 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.679 before it was Hill Valley, right, and then we got 199 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:11.039 a fun old timey Matt painting there to extend it 200 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.279 and make it look like a Norman Rockwell kind of picture. 201 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:14.399 Yeah. 202 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:14.679 I was. 203 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.799 I was watching this with my eleven year old yesterday 204 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:18.519 and I was like, do you recognize that's Hill Valley? 205 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.399 And he goes, yeah, look there's the courthouse. So he 206 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.639 he caught it. 207 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:24.679 It's so iconic. 208 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:25.440 Yeah. 209 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.639 I mean, now, I no matter what you watch, you 210 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:30.879 can't help it. Yeah, I mean because that that clock 211 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:37.879 tower becomes a character in that film, right. Yeah. I 212 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.799 was noticing that this was split up between Universal this 213 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:44.639 sort of town Square and then Warner Brothers because I 214 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.480 had gone, and I mean again, I know it's because 215 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.440 the tour and we had gone as a family around 216 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.639 the holidays. They dress it up like stars Hollow from 217 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.159 Gilmore Girls, so they make Luke's Cafe look like Luke's 218 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:00.200 Cafe and whatever. But as we were going through there, 219 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.360 and I hadn't seen Gilmour at the time, now I have, 220 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.000 but and so I'm like, oh, I don't know any 221 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:06.799 of this stuff. And then our tour guide's like, oh, 222 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.720 and then that's the house where the old woman flies 223 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:12.679 out the window in Gremlins, And I was like, oh, 224 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:14.960 take out my phone snaps and now you're speaking my 225 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:20.799 language exactly. Yeah. You know, I got to say here 226 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:24.039 this isn't like an actual criticism, but watching this specific 227 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:25.879 scene here where we have the snow covered car and 228 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:27.720 the car won't start and Billy's like oh, and then 229 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:29.840 his neighbor comes over and talks to him, I was like, 230 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:35.840 you know, this doesn't look cold, like his jacket's kind 231 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.799 of open. You know, they're not hunched in like that. 232 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:44.960 It feels like may and southern California with some you know, 233 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:47.480 you know, white something on the ground. 234 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.639 That's really funny. We've lived it. 235 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:53.279 We know, yeah, we know, we know. 236 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.320 I was watching this. I was like, man, you know, 237 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.879 Zach Gallaghan is really charming. He's such a good lead 238 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.679 in this movie. I agree, Like it's a shame, like 239 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.840 I mean, he's never stopped working, but it's a shame 240 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.279 like he never really had a higher profile, like he's 241 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:11.799 still like, oh, from Gremlins. 242 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.279 You know, I'm a little surprised. Yeah, yeah, he's very 243 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:18.279 very likable. Yeah, I think that. 244 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.879 He you know, he's sort of a quintessential nineteen eighties 245 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.480 lead character where he's kind of straight and narrow, good guy, 246 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.919 and he embodies that well you know that that sort 247 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:32.559 of that archetype. 248 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:35.080 Yeah, hey, it's that guy. 249 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:35.799 Dick Miller. 250 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:39.919 Yes, yes, Well he's in every Joe Dante movie I think, right, 251 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.399 pretty much, not in every, but in many well not yeah, sorry, 252 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:43.879 not literally. 253 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:45.320 And he had a good year this year because he 254 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.000 was also in a The Terminator in nineteen eighty four. 255 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.399 That's right. Way we have to point out that marquee 256 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.879 there in the theater, So Watch the Skies was the 257 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.440 original title of Close Encounters, and a Boy's Life was 258 00:12:55.440 --> 00:13:00.279 the original title of et a Little Spielberg Easter in 259 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:06.240 there you know what's funny. I remember when Ready Player 260 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:09.879 one came out, people were like, is this too? 261 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.600 You know what would make this scene work better? Sorry, 262 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:14.080 I don't mean to interrupted. Yeah, if you had Power 263 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:15.799 of Love playing in the background. 264 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:21.240 Exactly, just that's the theme of this square. Just thenytime 265 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:25.200 you walk through this square, no matter what movie by law, 266 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.240 just I would love that anyway, Sorry you were saying, well, no, 267 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:32.279 I'm just gonna say people were sort of wondering if 268 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:36.559 Ready Player one was too self referential because the story 269 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:40.360 inherently is a love letter to Spielberg's sort of movies, 270 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:42.080 and then to have Spielberg make it was that too. 271 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:44.399 Is he the right guy to make that film? Yeah? 272 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.600 And it's just funny because I mean it's always sort 273 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.840 of been that way, even nineteen forty one opens with 274 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.080 a Jaws parody. You know, you got him producing this movie, 275 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.399 and there's like a lot of Spielberg Ye nods in here, 276 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.960 so sort of always been like that. So I was 277 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:00.399 also going to say there was a story I came 278 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:05.759 across a lot researching this movie, which was about Zach 279 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:10.679 Gallaghan's audition with I guess he was reading opposite Phoebe 280 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.440 Kate's and. 281 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.480 And he was like hamahammahammahammada. 282 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.919 Well sort of, he was very he was very Google eyes. 283 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.679 And I guess the quote I saw everywhere I read 284 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:22.919 about it was Spielberg was like, look at look at it, 285 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.600 like he's in love with her. Like we've we've got 286 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.360 to cast him. Okay, in that case, I should have 287 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.320 played Billy, I know, yeah, like if it's very difficult. 288 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.840 That was before they yelled action. Yeah. I mean Phoebe Kates, 289 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:44.200 she's just iconic, iconic eighties beautiful, just yeah, you know, 290 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:48.320 fast times. Obviously, it was two years before this, and 291 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.960 I guess that was another thing with the with Warner Brothers. 292 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.840 They thought, is she wholesome enough for this role? Because 293 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.360 you know, her role had you know, fast times and 294 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.120 fast times. But she's she's great in this. Yeah. Married 295 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.039 to Kevin Klein, which I think, Yeah, she just like 296 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:08.240 stopped acting, yeah, yeah, to raise her family, which good. 297 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:08.799 Good for her. 298 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:10.919 I say, you know, yeah, if. 299 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.200 You can, if you can get out of the hellscape 300 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.159 that is Hollywood and just you know, be content. 301 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.799 Yeah, not feel any pressure. You just live your life 302 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:21.639 the way you choose to live it exactly. You know 303 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:27.320 this is interesting. This. Uh, there's if I remember correctly, 304 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:29.639 there's sort of inference about what's going on and what 305 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:33.279 miss Deegal does in this town here. It's not quite explicit. 306 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.600 We just know that she's not very forgiving to people 307 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.600 who owe her money. I think later we see a 308 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:39.080 real estate sign. 309 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:45.440 Yeah, basically she's trying to sell the land to someone 310 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:46.200 like developer. 311 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.240 Yeah, she's like a Mister Potter esque character. And it's 312 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.320 it's funny because I was reading that the original cut 313 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.440 of this so this movie is about an hour forty five, 314 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.159 The original cut was over two and a half hours, 315 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:02.159 and I was like, what could that possibly be? And 316 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.799 basically you read that there was a lot more story, 317 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.279 you know, even like Judge Reinhold's character had an entire 318 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:09.080 arcy he. 319 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.679 Just disappears after like the fifteen minute mark, right. 320 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:13.840 Well, and I was gonna say that it's sort of 321 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.480 to me shows that they made the correct decision. I agree, 322 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.320 where there are certain movies where you think, well, why 323 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.519 did that guy just show up and not come back? 324 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.759 And they really did have it seems like a lot 325 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:27.720 of story going on in this town and these characters 326 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:31.000 and the way that they interacted and growth and whatnot. 327 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.039 But at the end of the day, at this movie, 328 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.120 what you want to see is Gremlin's in the snow 329 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.559 in little clothes, singing Christmas Carol. That's right, Like I 330 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.200 think they they got that, and so they whittled it 331 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.559 down to exactly what we wanted to see for exactly 332 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.159 the right amount of time we wanted to see it, 333 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.600 and we don't miss Judge Reinhold's characters, Catharsis later in 334 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:52.039 the film. 335 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.120 You know, now you can you can see the deleted footage. 336 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.200 I believe it's it's online. 337 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:00.600 I'd like to see it. 338 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.120 I haven't seen it, so this too, I mean, Judge 339 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.680 Ryan Hold the same year as Beverly Hills Cop So, 340 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:09.160 which was the number one movie of eighty four. I 341 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.240 think this was the fourth highest grossing movie of nineteen 342 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.400 eighty four. Yeah, man, I'll tell you it was. 343 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:15.160 It was. 344 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.200 The hype train was real because I remember I was 345 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.160 a kid, and you know that summer when we came 346 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.519 to the States, you know, we got Gremlin's toys, and 347 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.880 I remember when I was at school, I checked out 348 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.359 the Gremlins story books and everything, Like I fully I 349 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:36.279 knew the world. I had read the novelization. Hmm, like 350 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:41.200 it was very, very culturally ubiquitous. There's Chuck Jones, by 351 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:41.839 the way, on the right. 352 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:45.960 I love it. He's basically like, you're gonna make it someday, Billy, 353 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:47.960 and the camera just kind of moves past, and like, 354 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:51.519 I love it. So I guess him and Joe Dante 355 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:52.000 are friends. 356 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.279 They were friends, and that was at least part of 357 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:57.720 the reason why Joe Dante directed Looney Tunes Back in 358 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:02.079 Action was Yeah, because Chuck Jones before he died, was 359 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:06.480 not thrilled with space jam. Okay, like the way that 360 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.440 the Loony Tunes were characterized, Yeah, he said it. It 361 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.640 sort of it betrayed their essence, even though I believe 362 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.839 Dante is a producer on that. And so Joe Dante 363 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.160 had said, like he took Onloney Tunes Back in Action 364 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.200 as a way of protecting Chuck's legacy. 365 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:22.480 You know that rings a bell because I think I 366 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.160 remember Chuck Jones saying that bugs Bunny wouldn't call on 367 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:29.119 anyone for help, right, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And the 368 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.480 plot is him, of course, calling on Michael Jordan. 369 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:33.400 Which of all people, of course, he would call on 370 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:34.319 Michael Jordan for help. 371 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.839 You know. Yeah, yeah, which, by the let me just 372 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:39.799 say Looty Tunes Back in Action, which is a movie 373 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:41.440 that Dante is basically disowned. 374 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.160 It's not a bad movie. It's actually pretty decent. 375 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.319 That's my memory of it. I've only seen it once, 376 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.880 but I remember it's not gonna live on like a 377 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.160 Roger Rabbit or something. But if you like the Looney Tunes, 378 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:53.559 it's fun. 379 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:57.839 And I will say in terms of like the marriage 380 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.279 of live action and animation, it it easily competes with 381 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.799 with what Roger Rabbit accomplished. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's 382 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.920 one of those like it's been lost to the mists 383 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:10.920 of time. But but you know, anybody listening to this, 384 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.240 it's a it's a decent movie. I think if you 385 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:14.960 like the Looney Tunes characters, you'll enjoy it. 386 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.039 Yeah. By the way, I have to point this, Oh, 387 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.759 this is funny a Chris Columbus tick in his writing, 388 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.240 which is just like something around a household getting knocked over. 389 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:26.119 So you think a home alone, and you know they 390 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.559 always bump that little statue out front, and here we 391 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:32.839 have the stords falling off the wall. That's hey, there's uh, 392 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.880 it's a wonderful life yeph which also features in a 393 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.480 lot of Chris Columbus movies. But I wanted to point 394 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:42.319 out real quick this little moment in the bar that 395 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:44.680 I really loved, and then I read about it later. 396 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:47.839 I guess Phoebe Kates was talking to Zach Gallaghan and saying, 397 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:49.680 you know, when you're acting, you always want to give 398 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.759 your character something interesting to do. And so then she 399 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:54.960 picked something up off the ground and put it on 400 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.440 his shoulder. And then in that scene where Judge Reinhold 401 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.640 is hitting on her, she turns to Billy and then 402 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:05.200 picks that little thing off his shoulder, which is a 403 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.160 really great character moment because you see where her you know, 404 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.079 loyalty lies or yeah, that's creations and it's very sweet. 405 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.519 It immediately in my mind makes me think, oh, I 406 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:15.359 love these two together. 407 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:16.119 That's great. 408 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.359 Yeah, it's it's pretty smart. 409 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.920 So this movie Yes, started out Sorry as you're talking 410 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.640 about Chris Columbus, it was a spec script that he wrote, Yes, 411 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.640 and it was like hard are horror, Yes, Like the 412 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.160 mother gets to Capital, she gets decapitated. They eat the gremlins, 413 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.720 eat Barney, Yes, eat the dog. 414 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:40.240 I guess there's like a scene in McDonald's where you 415 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.640 see them inside the McDonald's, but then when it cuts inside, 416 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.599 they're not eating the food, they're eating the customers, right, 417 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:46.759 And it's so. 418 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.519 This is you know, we say this a lot, but like, 419 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.400 you know, this is the Spielberg of it, all right, Yes, 420 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:58.519 and so many times his instincts are so dead on 421 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:03.160 where he's like, this is not this is not that movie, because. 422 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.400 Then you do do that and you could end up 423 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:09.119 with like ghoolies. I was thinking exactly that. That's exactly 424 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:10.759 what I was thinking, Like that box at the video 425 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.039 store where you're like, what what is that? Yes? 426 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:17.759 It well and the other thing as written originally, Gizmo 427 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:24.359 becomes Spike mm hmm. And Spielberg again, man, like the 428 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:27.720 guy just understand just instinctively. He's like, no, audiences are 429 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:28.480 not gonna. 430 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.759 Want that, yep, yep. And then I mean along that train, 431 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.960 it was like, sorry, did I say Spike stripe Stripe? Yeah, yeah, 432 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:37.599 but at the end it was going to be Billy 433 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.240 who saved the day, which you can kind of understand 434 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.039 as a writer. Yeah, but Spielberg is like, no, it 435 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.119 has to be Gizmo, Like these are his people. He's 436 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.920 gonna stop his his people, and I was like, yeah, 437 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:53.319 his instincts, like you said, and it makes sense, you know. 438 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:55.839 I again, from a writer perspective, I do sort of 439 00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:01.279 see the friend turned enemy. I can see that version 440 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:05.759 where Gizmo becomes stripe, but he's so cute we don't 441 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.519 want to lose him. Yeah, I know it's and it 442 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:09.960 is kind of nice then that he's the one who 443 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:11.440 takes care of everything at the end of the day, 444 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:12.960 even though he didn't start it, but he's the one 445 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:18.559 who will stop it. I mean, this, this design is 446 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.720 just undeniable. It's genius is genius. 447 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:23.240 I mean it is iconic. 448 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:32.319 Yeah, baited breathway from the show's face here, but he 449 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:35.079 means who did not want a gizmo after watching this movie? 450 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:40.599 And I still want a gizmo? Yeah? And then of 451 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:44.720 course Howie Mandel as his squeaky little voice. 452 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.759 Yeah, doing a dry run for Bobby's world. 453 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:53.680 Yeah. Yeah, And I guess I read somewhere. I don't 454 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.640 know if this is you know, sort of becoming legend 455 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.480 or whatever making things up, But the rule of light 456 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.440 not having them in light had to do with making 457 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.799 it easier to hide cables and strengths and puppets interest, 458 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.000 which makes sense. 459 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.119 I mean it does, but also like it's so intrinsic 460 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.400 to the story, right, like. 461 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.279 Yeah, yeah, well it helps too. Yeah, just you know, 462 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:18.559 it makes you wonder what they're going to do on 463 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:20.400 the fourth of July, like the poor thing has to 464 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.000 be left in a room with the blind shut, you know. 465 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:26.200 But it does also allow the movie to be sort 466 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:31.799 of moody, right, creepy. You know, it's so cute. Oh 467 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:33.880 my gosh, she's so adorable. 468 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:36.920 Man, practical puppets. 469 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.240 You know, there's just something magical there. 470 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:40.839 You know. 471 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.240 I know they're limiting like in a lot of ways, 472 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:49.079 but it's just so much more effective seeing him curled 473 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.880 up into his dad right there with that little scared 474 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:58.599 expression on his face shaking, you know. Yeah yeah. And 475 00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:02.200 you know, they could do a sequel now and and 476 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:05.880 have thousands of gremlins, you know, but it seems like 477 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.559 that was sort of the point of contention where it's like, no, no, 478 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:09.799 if we do this, we need it to. 479 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:11.759 Have the. 480 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:17.519 You know, the same sort of tactility and the puppetry 481 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:21.519 and the originals. And I don't know, I know they 482 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.920 did do an animated series that was on Yeah, I think. 483 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:27.039 It's still going. Yeah, the Secrets of the Mugway. See 484 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:29.680 what's interesting If you look at Gizmo, there's something vaguely 485 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:31.359 evilish on his face. 486 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.160 You know, I noticed that mostly in this scene. He 487 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:35.759 looks different in this scene. 488 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.839 Yeah, well I think at this point there were still 489 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.039 like it was it was the stripe version. 490 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:48.240 Ah, that makes a little sense, right, yeah, because later 491 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:50.720 or for most of the film, he doesn't have that 492 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.000 little i don't know what you'd call it, like a 493 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.759 sharper sort of expression on his eyes. Here where. 494 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.839 Now now, I should say. In the novelization my recollection, 495 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:06.880 I read this a while ago, but they they explained 496 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:12.200 that the mug why were created by aliens. Oh interesting, 497 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:17.039 and that what they found was that only one out 498 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:24.200 of every ten thousand remained you know, docile and cute. 499 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:30.200 Oh and so they were you know, disposed of, And 500 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:34.640 somehow Gizmo ends up on Earth. And I'm like, well, 501 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:35.920 I don't like that. 502 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:38.880 Yeah, it kind of makes me think of that the 503 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:40.720 ancient Aliens meme. That guy. 504 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:44.960 Yeah, he's like aliens, Like, I don't need Gizmo to 505 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.079 be an alien. I need Gizmo to be We don't 506 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:48.839 know what gizmo is he's just Gizmo. 507 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:51.799 I kind of agree. I'd rather it feel a little more. 508 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.480 That just feels like a catch all aliens, something that 509 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:58.640 can explained, Like I'd rather be like, well, he comes 510 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:04.279 from a remote area, been untouched by humans, you know, 511 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.359 messing with them, and they know how to exist and 512 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.039 take care of themselves. But when you bring them, you know, 513 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.839 into people who can't be responsible, this is what you get. 514 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:16.960 Yeah, right, just people ruining everything. 515 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:25.720 Yeah, that's a great shot right there with the juice 516 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.720 the juice maker just looming and like. 517 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:29.799 You'd rather not use it. 518 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:31.400 It's great. 519 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.359 Yeah. This is one of those things too where you 520 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:36.960 imagine like you want to get it right because you 521 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.440 don't want to have to reset this set after they 522 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.039 basically blow up all this orange juice everywhere. That's right. 523 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.200 Do you recognize that glass, by the way, That is 524 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.960 a very nineteen eighties glass. I remember a lot of 525 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:54.559 my foods. Yep. I have definitely drunk out of that glass. 526 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.440 Corey Feldman, very young Corey Feldman here. 527 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:08.680 Yeah, well this is what got him the gig on Goonies. 528 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:15.599 Yeah. Apparently he auditioned for E t Okay and I 529 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.039 thought I had heard somewhere that as they were developing 530 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.799 the script there was an extra kid, and they decided 531 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.000 to just make all the focus on Elliott, okay, And 532 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.559 so then they you know, went with Henry Thomas, and 533 00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.640 Spielberg promised Feldman like, well, we'll get something for you 534 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.400 because he saw there was something there, and then put 535 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.359 him in Gremlins and of course he had Goonies and 536 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:42.079 stand by me. Yeah, I mean he's you know, the eighties, 537 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:42.720 one of the greats. 538 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:46.880 Yeah, he's in he's in Burps also. 539 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:50.119 Right, yes, that's right. Well, wow, I didn't think about that, 540 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.640 the Dante connection. Yeah, they must have hit it off. 541 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.200 I mean, he's quite young here, but I mean, isn't 542 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.440 that funny. It's less than a decade, but he seems 543 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.039 so much older in the Burbs than here. Yeah, weird, 544 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:07.200 really young. Yeah. I thought I read somewhere else and 545 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.799 I couldn't see it. I only saw it in one spot. 546 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.480 But they said that Billy was originally going to be 547 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:15.839 a little younger, and so that's where the Feldman as 548 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.039 sort of his buddy comes in, because here it just 549 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.039 seems like, you know, he's Billy is what probably like 550 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.039 twenty or something. Maybe having the job he has, and. 551 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.680 I assume he's like eighteen, yeah yeah, out of high school, right, 552 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.480 because he goes back to visit that teacher. Yeah so 553 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.240 just out of high school. Yeah, yeah, said. I always 554 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.440 liked the relationship. It's like it's like a cool older brother, 555 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:38.839 you know. 556 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.920 Yeah. I remember having people like that in my neighborhood 557 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.440 where it was like, oh yeah, the kid was older, 558 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:50.799 was like nice, and you kind of looked up to him. Yeah. Oh, 559 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:52.880 we didn't get to it earlier. But there's that moment 560 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.559 where Billy reflects the mirror on him and then the 561 00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.759 the light makes Gizmo fall off, and then we see 562 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.480 his legs kicking in the garbage can. And it's fun 563 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:06.039 watching the practical ways they switch out the puppet, you know. 564 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.880 So the camera is sort of pushing in on his 565 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.559 little legs and then it tilts up to Billy, and 566 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.400 so you can do like a little Texas switch, right, 567 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.640 Like you leave the leg kicking robot down there and 568 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.319 then you pick up a different one into frame, you know. 569 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.720 So it's like, well, this one does wiggles its legs, 570 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:27.079 this one has expressions, this one. It's very clever how 571 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:36.599 they execute all this you know, and this is another 572 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.480 thing too. I was thinking about, well, you know the. 573 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.599 Rule, it'd be funny right here if Billy just went 574 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.960 ape shit on God damn it, you idiot. 575 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:55.559 You know you're done, Yeah, get out. Yeah, only in 576 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:56.400 this scene. 577 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.599 He's totally mellow the whole to the movie. 578 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.559 Yeah, this is kind of fun. You know, these sort 579 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:05.240 of like I mean, clearly, that's like a hole in 580 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.920 the desk and like a balloon covered in fur or something. 581 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:10.640 See. I was looking at these comics. I was like, man, 582 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.480 there's some vintage comics. I was like, oh wait, those 583 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.680 were like present day comics back then. M really, I'm vintage, 584 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:20.119 not the comics. 585 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.359 Yeah. I guess that was a much bigger plot point 586 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.559 in the longer version about him being a cartoonist. Yeah, 587 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:35.039 here's just flavor. But I works for me. Yeah, I 588 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:36.039 think the. 589 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.680 World is flashed out enough that the characters aren't just 590 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.559 ciphers by the time we get to all the you know, 591 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.880 all the the gremlininius gremlininess of it all. 592 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.079 You know, we talk about this sometimes, but you know, 593 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.400 with animals in movies, they don't know they're in a movie. 594 00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.640 You know, they're just standing somewhere there happens to be 595 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.480 camera and weird things are happening around them, and it's 596 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.799 kind of funny watching this dog look at these things. 597 00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:05.960 What is he thinking? 598 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.079 Yeah, you gotta wonder, you know. 599 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.359 I do love the when we get like the reaction 600 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.039 shot of. 601 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.359 Gizmo, oh like nervous. 602 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.200 Yeah, Like I mean you get a such a clear 603 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.680 sense of what a puppet is feeling, you know. 604 00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:26.880 Yeah, oh here he has. It's kind of like despair 605 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:33.000 because he knows, yeah, he knows what's coming. It's kind 606 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.960 of funny how quickly Feldman's character is like, oh yeah, yeah, amazing, 607 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.799 just seem like a gizmo right there, isn't that great? Yeah? 608 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:41.440 Look at that. 609 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:42.599 He's so expressive. 610 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:43.599 I know, it's amazing. 611 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:53.720 Yeah yeah, this is hoyite accident here, Like this moment here, 612 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:55.880 there's just the right amount of sadness. Like as a 613 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.400 grow I don't even know what would have clocked with 614 00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:58.960 me as much as a kid, but as a grown 615 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.319 up here I feel a little bad form yeah right, 616 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.920 things not working in front of his son, and but 617 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.319 then here, you know, he picks himself back up. Hey hey, hey, 618 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.920 check this out, and he's all excited about it. 619 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.599 Yeah, I think there's something sort of there. There's a 620 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.759 there's a stick toitiveness that is either admirable or depressing. 621 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:22.720 He's still okay. On that note. I never really thought 622 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.640 about it very much. But there's that scene where the 623 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.880 mother is chopping I think onions, I think, and she's 624 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.960 watching It's a Wonderful Life or It's Potatoes, I actually 625 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:36.839 can't tell. But she seems sad, right, and she blames 626 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.039 it on the movie. I thought it was maybe the onions, 627 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.799 but it seems like she's really internalizing something which I 628 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:47.640 think is their life. Yeah, you know, and I never 629 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.200 realized how kind of sad that is still actually this 630 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:51.000 recent viewing. 631 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:56.920 Yeah, I mean, I I again, it's like at forty five, 632 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:01.839 if you're still trying to have the bathroom, buddy cell, 633 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.039 you know, yeah, maybe maybe you need to rethink your 634 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:06.079 choices a little bit, you. 635 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.400 Know, yeah, which which is good motivation. Then when he realizes, well, 636 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.559 if we could sell this the Peltzer pet, yeah, you know, 637 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.759 it makes sense. That's is that gizmo playing the trumpet 638 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.480 there really happy under the tree because they throw something 639 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.640 at him, I think, acting like jerks. That's why I 640 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.279 thought it was. Yes, I think so yeah, I wasn't certain, 641 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.319 but it is so adorable. How happy he is playing 642 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:32.160 that little trumpet. 643 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:33.880 Yeah that's that's gizmo. 644 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.200 Yeah yeah, and he's so sad. 645 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:37.599 There's some mean. 646 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.079 Even that, I mean the acting on those puppets where 647 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.759 he's like looking over like that I hurt his feelings good, 648 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.480 And then he goes back to the video game like 649 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:57.599 just so simple but so expressive, and it was it's 650 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.880 smart to because the others they go way further where 651 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.000 than in part two, where they you know, you have 652 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.200 a googly eyed gremlin, you have a female gremlin, you 653 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.280 have but this but this one they do sort of 654 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.360 look similar. But it's nice. You have Stripe. It's like, 655 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.719 and I've noticed it. It seems like adr because you 656 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.719 never see him actually say it with his mouth, but 657 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.960 he'll be like, oh that's Stripe. That's the leader, you know, 658 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:24.159 and it gives you you can identify it. You know. 659 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.000 People give this sequel a lot of shit, you know, 660 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.800 for you know, obviously we got a whole key and 661 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.920 peel sketch out of it, right like all the crazy 662 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.119 ideas that they had for it, and and Joe Dante 663 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.599 has said is like, no, that's that's very accurate, like 664 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.719 in terms of how they came up with the ideas 665 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:48.119 for part two. That's hilarious. But like, the truth is, 666 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:50.440 the second one is not that far removed from this 667 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:51.159 one tonally. 668 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:59.320 Hey, you know, I don't you know it's funny because 669 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.360 I think this one it feels a little bit more 670 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:05.280 in reality, except like, yes. 671 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.880 Well sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but yeah, 672 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.280 in terms of the human character sort of acting like 673 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.280 regular human beings, yes, yes, yes, But in terms of 674 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.400 the gremlins and the way they are sort of cartoonish. 675 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.000 Yes, and that they have little clothes that are tailored 676 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.079 to them, and you have like the flasher like gremlin. 677 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.519 Where did he get that trench coat exactly? So it's 678 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.760 like that, take that part of it, yeah, and then 679 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:38.000 say let's run with that, right. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny 680 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.320 because I mean I'd seen this one numerous times before 681 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:42.920 I saw the second one. I think I found the 682 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.719 second one a little jarring in just how much of 683 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.639 a Looney Tunes cartoon it is, and I would like 684 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.440 to revisit it. 685 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:55.559 Yeah, I like it, and I remember so I this 686 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.320 movie came out in eighty four. I think I saw 687 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:01.639 it in eighty seven is my recollection visiting Toronto and 688 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.440 my cousins Harris and Humsa who listened to the show. 689 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.440 I watched it at their house, but I knew the 690 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.039 story very very well because I had read the book 691 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.599 and you know, I knew it. And then you know, 692 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:16.920 Gremlin's Two was what ninety right, yeah, so relatively shortly thereafter, 693 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.760 and so I wasn't watching it with like I remember 694 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.559 watching it and being like, oh, this is funny, and 695 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:26.800 I wasn't like, how dare they be funny? I was like, oh, 696 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.159 it's funny, you know, right, So I just sort of 697 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.679 onboarded it. Maybe just because I was young, I don't know, 698 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.119 you know, but I've always I've always enjoyed it. 699 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.320 Yeah, I think I would approach it differently now, especially 700 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.280 you know Joe Dante letting his freak flag fly, you know, 701 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.800 and like following his passions and his love for you know, 702 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.119 Looney Tunes cartoons and things like that. I think, for me, 703 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:51.719 what I love about this, and we talk about this 704 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.880 a lot, is why all these eighties movies really appeal 705 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:56.960 to me is I love this magic in your own 706 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.760 backyard type of yarn. And this movie feels a little 707 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.920 bit more like that, whereas the second one feels like 708 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:08.920 a slightened, heightened reality, you know, with the futuristic building 709 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:11.440 and sort of the funny hats that they wear as 710 00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:16.280 employees there, and a little more cynical. Yeah, a little 711 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:20.519 more cynical, a little more fantastical, just reality itself. But 712 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.800 I think knowing that, so, I think I was jarred 713 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.119 when I went from this one to that one. But 714 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.960 I think if I now that I know, that, I 715 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:32.599 might enjoy it for its own personality. Yeah more Yeah. 716 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.079 Well, I watched this yesterday with my eleven year old 717 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.000 and he's like, oh, can we watch the second one tomorrow? 718 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.480 And I'm like, yeah, so I guess I'll be watching it. 719 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.239 In the couple. Actually, I would love to know what 720 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:41.679 he thinks. 721 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:48.199 Yeah, Like, I think that the I think that there 722 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:52.760 is a in the second one, you know, where you 723 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.760 have like the people who saved the day are Billy 724 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.320 mister Futterman, right, So there is sort of an and 725 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.960 implied like, oh, small town values are still gonna gonna 726 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.599 beat out you know, all them them them city folk, you. 727 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.480 Know, sure, sure, sure, Oh that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, I 728 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:17.000 can see that as a take definitely. Well, here we're 729 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.599 getting a little bit where we're having this guy, you know, 730 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:25.559 the Futterman, talking about World War two, right, and that's 731 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.519 kind of where the notion of gremlins began. Yeah, so 732 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:29.599 here's here's my question. 733 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.880 Were those actual gremlins like in this movie? 734 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:41.280 Oh that's a good that's a good point. Are they 735 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.039 even gremlins or is it appropriating? 736 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.960 Exactly right, that's my question. 737 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.599 Yeah, to whatever these little moms. 738 00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:49.320 That's what I see. 739 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:49.960 That's what I want. 740 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.079 You know how they keep talking about the USS Indianapolis 741 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.480 movie for a Jaws like a prequel. Yes, I want 742 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:56.440 the mister Futterman prequel with the Gremlins. 743 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:03.280 Zachy. That could be a really fun movie. That could 744 00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:05.559 be you know, speaking of one of those things. I mean, 745 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.320 obviously i'd prefer in the theaters, but when they were 746 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:11.039 trying to come up with stuff straight to Max or whatever, dude, 747 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.519 there you go, there you go, like this World War 748 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.039 two adventure and then you know, fighting the gremlins. I 749 00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:18.639 would love that. 750 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:25.280 And and have have that adventure somehow intersect with the 751 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.880 USS Indianapolis prequel. 752 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.679 Yeah, yes, yeah, it's connect all the universes. Yeah, it's 753 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.239 a Spielberg universe. That's right, yeah, but I mean to 754 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.440 get specific, I guess it's in the when there was 755 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.480 mechanical failure with aircraft or machinery in the war. I 756 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.400 guess it sort of began in the RAF. Yes, that's 757 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.960 the UK, but they would blame like, oh, there must 758 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.360 be a gremlin in the machine. Yeah, you know, messing 759 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.599 with the internal machinery making it mess up. And so 760 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.840 that's where and then roll dall real quick right. 761 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.119 There where she's sorry, I don't mean to cut you off. 762 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:03.960 She's like, I don't celebrate Christmas. He's like, what are 763 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:04.880 you Hindu or something? 764 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.079 Yeah? I know. It's like, yeah, he's very as sweet 765 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:09.880 as he is, he's a little insensitive in this scene. 766 00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.599 I mean not just for that that specifically, but just 767 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:14.880 like what's better you know, you know. 768 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.239 It has little things that like it's like that SNL 769 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:21.760 with the with the the old p S A S. 770 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:26.280 Where he's like smoking that's gay, you know, right right right? 771 00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:33.880 Yeah, yeah, like how immediately dated certain things are from. Yeah, 772 00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:36.880 but it's like you would think a sensitive person would say, oh, 773 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:42.960 well why is that You're right, what's the matter with you? 774 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.800 Hindu or something? Yeah? 775 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:53.400 Yeah, that's hilarious, but this is really sweet. 776 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.159 He's so like, I don't know, look at her, look 777 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.280 at They're both freaking adorable in this scene, so like yeah, 778 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:05.199 wide and look at that start out. 779 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.079 And then out of nowhere he's like, can you take 780 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:11.280 off your shirt? Because he watched Fast Times at Ridgemont High. 781 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:12.679 And then Warner Brothers is. 782 00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:17.880 Like, see like a poor phosy kids. 783 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.079 Good Times so sweet anyway, so yes, but Roll Dahl 784 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.280 was in the RAF and then he so he would 785 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.519 know this whole sort of like joking around that people 786 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.960 would say about Gremlins, and then he wrote a book 787 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.360 called The Gremlins, and I guess at some point Walt 788 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.079 Disney wanted to make it into a movie. 789 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.719 Wow, okay yeah. 790 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.000 And then there's a Bugs Bunny cartoon about Gremlins on 791 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:45.440 an airport. 792 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.400 Dad, I remember seeing and I saw that after this 793 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.519 movie and I was like, that's not what gremlins look like. 794 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.639 Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. And this actor I don't have 795 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.440 his name right off the top. See. 796 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.119 Now this is interesting because like you know, with missus Deegal, 797 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.800 like the movie is setting her up to get her up. 798 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:08.079 And yes, with mister Hanson, you know, the whole needle thing. 799 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.639 It's supposed to be like ironic death. Yeah, and I'm like, well, 800 00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:12.440 it's sound like he's. 801 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.840 Torturing the guy, you know, you know it's funny because yeah, 802 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:16.920 he never comes across his sinister and I had read 803 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:18.360 I don't know if they filmed it or if it 804 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.320 was in the script, but it was originally going to 805 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:21.880 be he had a bunch of needles sticking out of 806 00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.440 his face and he was dead. And instead what we 807 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:27.320 get is we don't even see his face. He's on 808 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.280 his front and we see a needle in his butt, 809 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:33.960 which feels appropriate to the tone of this movie. Yeah, 810 00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.239 but yeah, yeah, although it does, I do they do 811 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:41.400 make it look kind of like it hurts the poor 812 00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:43.960 little guy. He's like, what are you doing sticking that 813 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.599 in his arm? And you think about it, that is 814 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.000 a long needle for as big as that little maglay is. 815 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.559 This is a great little twist here with the midnight thing. Yeah, 816 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.800 checking the clock, and then you realize later that they 817 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.320 ripped the cord. Look at that. I love that. That's 818 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.480 so creepy, the way they're watching him. Their heads are 819 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.440 all turning in sync, and look at the whispering and 820 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.920 the conspiring it's so good. 821 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.360 I mean, the whole after Midnight thing doesn't make a 822 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:10.360 lick of sense. 823 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.159 Which I guess is what two sort of gets into, Like, right, 824 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:14.840 let's just have fun with this and make fun of 825 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.679 the premise itself. Yes, that's right, because characters in that 826 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.679 film are even like, well, wait a minute, what if 827 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.280 you're on an air it's always midnight somewhere. Yeah, you're 828 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.480 crossing a time zone and it's like yeah, or what 829 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.880 if you have something stuck in your teeth and then 830 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.079 it happens. It's but you know, it's I don't know. 831 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.840 Maybe nowadays, if this movie came out, people would immediately 832 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.960 pick it apart on TikTok or something. But there's something like, 833 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.719 when you're a kid or whatever, you just okay, not 834 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.840 after Midnight, got it? You just go with it. 835 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.880 I don't know, No, you know, well, you are right. 836 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.360 But it also just makes me think, how like this 837 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.760 movie came out at the perfect time for it to 838 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:57.519 have this kind of real cultural sway. Yeah, you know, 839 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.679 like I don't know that could happen today, like something 840 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.960 brand new, not like Gremlin's the Legacy sequel or whatever. 841 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.599 But just like. 842 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.519 Something new like this. 843 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.800 I don't know that it would sort of capture the 844 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:11.320 people's fancy the way this did. 845 00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.599 And I don't know where that is. You know, I've 846 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.360 complained for years, probably about like the duration of the 847 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.320 existence of this podcast, but I feel like movie aliens 848 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:24.119 are less and less iconic, and I think it's almost 849 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.599 because there are no limitations. Yeah, you know, so then 850 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.880 they make them super fanciful, and then they are less 851 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.559 memorable than your ET's or your whatever or your gizmos. 852 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.639 And I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to imagine a 853 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.599 new movie coming out in a new creature and it 854 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.280 taking the world by storm the way that this did, 855 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.480 but that that could there's a lot of factors to that. 856 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.159 I mean, the world has just changed the way that 857 00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:50.400 we take in this. 858 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.159 Is Invasion of the Body Snatcher's right here that Billy's watching. 859 00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:59.119 So yeah, I don't know. You know. Another interesting fact 860 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.920 is that this was really on the same day as 861 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:08.199 Ghostbusters in nineteen eighty four. Oh interesting, Yeah, same day, 862 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:15.519 same day, and Ghostbusters ended up doing better than this. Yeah, 863 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:18.599 you know, I'm kind of curious because yes, I know, 864 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.599 there was the like I said, this was fourth place 865 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.559 for the year. I know it is. It must have been, 866 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.199 because I think it was Beverly Hills cop Temple of 867 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.320 Doom somewhere in there, and then probably Ghostbusters than this. 868 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.920 But it's funny, like these sort of family movies, kids movies, 869 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.320 but there are these horror comedies that kind of push 870 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.400 it a little bit. Yeah, you know, like that's what 871 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.159 we were subject to growing up. 872 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.119 Well, and of course, famously this movie and Temple of 873 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.679 Doom were what led to the creation of the PG thirteen. 874 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.880 Yes, yeah, yeah, although you imagine that leap like PG 875 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:53.440 to R. 876 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.320 Right, I mean that's well a couple of thus number one. 877 00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.440 I was watching this yesterday and I'm I'm like, you know, 878 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:02.000 it's pretty tame. 879 00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.719 Yeah. Really, the only gross thing is with the mother 880 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.079 right right, with the microwave, and I guess. 881 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.079 Yeah, there were folks who were worried that kids would 882 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:16.199 put their pets in a microwave, right, And and I'm 883 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.599 not discounting that that's a possibility, But I'm also like, well, 884 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.360 kids love their pets. Gremlins are the bad guys. 885 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:26.480 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, And that plays into the thing 886 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:28.400 that I keep saying that I like too, where it's 887 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.559 like what if there's a monster You're not on another 888 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.800 planet and you don't have a proton pack or something 889 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.559 like that, Right, Like, what if you were in your 890 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:39.519 kitchen and you know something, you understand there's a monster, 891 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.440 so you shove it in the microwave like you would 892 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.320 everything else. And like, I love using things that we 893 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.480 understand against them, supernatural things. That's always delighted. 894 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:49.960 Well, just this scene that we were just seeing right 895 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.719 there with with the you know, Glenn Turman has the 896 00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.639 gremlin egg in his office and you know like it 897 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:02.880 it the normalcy of just like high school classroom juxtaposed 898 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.599 with this this you know hr Giger looking thing. 899 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:14.440 Yes, yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, but yes, I mean yeah, 900 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.280 the PG thirteen thing you can't imagine. I guess I 901 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.559 did watch the trailer for this, and they don't reveal 902 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.000 the look of the creatures. 903 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.480 By the way, right behind, we got a quite accident there. 904 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.199 That's Jerry Goldsmith. There's Steven Spielberg right. 905 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.199 In front of him. Yeah, and then there's a funny 906 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:31.920 gag with the time machine in the background. 907 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:33.440 Yep, yep, right there, you see it. 908 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.039 Yeah, And so I. 909 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.320 Don't I want to get back to what you're saying, 910 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.039 but with Jerry Goldsmith there, we have to say, this 911 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.039 is such a great Goldsmith score. 912 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:43.760 It's the perfect tone. 913 00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.800 You know what occurred to me listening to it is 914 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.159 it's the most John Williams score that Jerry Goldsmith has 915 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:50.559 ever done. 916 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:52.639 Oh interesting, it's. 917 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.920 It feels very in terms of orchestration. He was almost 918 00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:59.400 like inspired by the spielbergness to be very Williams. 919 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:05.119 You know, well, you know that could be Spielberg pushing 920 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.000 for that because I know when Zamechis talks about making 921 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.920 back to the Future, he wanted to use Alan Silvestri 922 00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:13.840 because he had used him on Romancing the Stone. They 923 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:15.719 had hit it off. But Spielberg was like, no, no, no, no, 924 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.360 you need like a score, you need like a like 925 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:19.880 He was very specific about what the score needed sound like. 926 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.679 And then Silvestry did what he did, and Spielberg was like, oh, okay, 927 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:28.280 that's fine, so maybe here. Yeah, he was like, no, no, 928 00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.199 it's gonna sound like this. Although we do get these 929 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:37.119 random with Missus Diegal, especially this very early eighties synth sound, yeah, 930 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.000 which doesn't match the rest of the score. 931 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.239 Yeah, it well, and I suppose well it works in 932 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:47.679 the movie. Yeah, but it doesn't listen well if you 933 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:49.159 just if you put the album on, you. 934 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:54.599 Know, yeah, oh we should note this. The school movie 935 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:58.880 they're showing here is a Hemo the Magnificent Okay, which 936 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.000 I guess sort of kicked off an era of these 937 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.840 sort of educational films that incorporated animation and sort of 938 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.280 the style that we see parodied a lot on Wow, Okay, 939 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.679 Simpsons and things we grew up with. Yeah. Yeah, you 940 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.159 know who wrote and directed this school film, Hemo the 941 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.559 Magnificent Tell me Frank Capra Wow wrote and directed that. 942 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.360 So a couple couple of Capra images in this movie. 943 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:26.039 Yeah yeah, and mel Blank does a voice in it, 944 00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:30.880 and June foray and that is really random wow, weirdly 945 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:37.800 iconic little educational films. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this stuff 946 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:41.360 looks so good, these like sacks opening up. I love 947 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.639 how there's lights inside, even though that makes no sense, right, 948 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.239 but I love it. I mean, you don't question it. No, no, 949 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:54.639 the poor little gizmo watching on inside that helmet. But no, 950 00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:56.559 But I mean again, I just I don't want to 951 00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.880 gloss over the whole PG. Thirteen noess of this where 952 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.360 it's Yeah, in the advertising, they didn't show the creatures. 953 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:04.599 It's from Steven Spielberg, who just made et. 954 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:05.679 You know. 955 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.639 The poster basically shows a boy holding a box with 956 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.880 these furry little hands sticking out of it. And so apparently, 957 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.199 you know a lot of parents take their five year 958 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:18.280 olds to see this and are like, good Lord. 959 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:19.760 Good generational trauma. 960 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.159 Yeah. And then also the same Summer Temple of Doom, 961 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:26.079 which I think to this day remains shocking in its violence. 962 00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:28.679 Yes, like that one is easier to understand. I guess 963 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:29.280 what I'm saying. 964 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.760 Yeah, yeah, And so a lot of upset parents. So 965 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.360 Steven Spielberg himself proposes PG. Thirteen to the MPAA. 966 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.000 See, I think I think Spielberg sho should have been 967 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.320 like Michael Jordan, been like f them kids. 968 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:51.679 They got to learn sometime. Yeah, exactly about lava sacrifice. 969 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:52.320 That's right. 970 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:58.679 Hey, you know, if not now, then when yeah, have. 971 00:50:58.719 --> 00:50:59.639 You seen the Howling? 972 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.719 By the way, I have not seen. 973 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.360 Yeah, apparently that was where what put Dante on Spielberg's radar. 974 00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:12.559 And then they, I guess, collaborated in the Twilight Zone movie. Yes, 975 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.960 that's right, which he has that funny segment right with 976 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.760 the boy who has the holds the powers over everybody, 977 00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.960 that's right, Yeah, all the adults. And Nancy Cartwright is 978 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:21.840 one of the people in that. 979 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.480 It's the remake of It's a Good Life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 980 00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.920 Gizmo just oh no. 981 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:36.360 Yeah. But I thought that was interesting too because if 982 00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.880 if the Howling caught Spielberg's eye. D Wallace is in that, 983 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.239 so you wonder if he was like, oh, who's that? 984 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.599 And then you interested her as Mary and e t 985 00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.119 a year after that. Wow. Yeah. 986 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.840 Joe Dante, like we've talked about him's such a such 987 00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.760 a unique voice that it's it's a crying shame that 988 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:02.559 he has essentially been either by choice or sort of 989 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:08.159 just you know, by fiat, been been excommunicated from Studio Pictures. 990 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.079 Yeah. He he definitely has a voice, and it's a 991 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:16.119 really fun horror voice, and that it feels very unique 992 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.079 to me and I we were saying before we even started, 993 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.280 it's surprising he doesn't have like a streaming series that's 994 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.599 in his voice or something these days. 995 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:31.599 It you know, his last okay, so his last movie 996 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.840 was Looneychin's Back in Action. I think before that, I 997 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.039 think Small Soldiers. 998 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.719 Wow, you know, I've never seen Small Soldiers. 999 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.000 Yeah, well, it's I don't I don't think it's good. 1000 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.159 I would not recommend it, but I think it's it 1001 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.039 is interesting. I think the way that technology is used 1002 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.639 in that movie, it's really it's it's like, that's really cool, 1003 00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.360 you know. But the movie itself is kind of a 1004 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.079 swing and a miss. 1005 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.400 But it's Gremlin's ask, right, it's very much little yeah, 1006 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:07.039 little figures coming to life and terrorizing people, very very much. 1007 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:11.239 So yeah, and you can see that that's probably the influence. 1008 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.960 But but I think, you know, it's just studio interference, right, 1009 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:18.119 because because I think there's probably like, oh, you know, 1010 00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:20.239 we can sell the toys or whatever, and you know, 1011 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.199 you're not letting them just make the movie that he 1012 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:26.119 needs to make, you know, but you see how his 1013 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:30.239 sensibilities just sort of fell out of out of step 1014 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:35.440 with with executive thinking or you know. Yeah, I mean 1015 00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.960 it's it's ironic because Luney turns back in action the 1016 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:41.239 whole thing. It's it the plot hinges on the studio 1017 00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:43.719 making a stupid decision and then you know, like that's 1018 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.199 the story in the movie and that's. 1019 00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:49.400 Literally what the that's what the studio did with regards 1020 00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:55.559 to that movie. You know, yeah, but but it it 1021 00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:57.360 it's one of those things where I was I was 1022 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:00.960 thinking watching this right and it's it's so of the moment, 1023 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.119 and it really captured the zeitgeist, and I was like, 1024 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.239 this is kind of it's just the story of every filmmaker. 1025 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.800 I don't think any filmmaker is immune to this where 1026 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:15.559 you'll have that that window and maybe it's a short window, 1027 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.679 maybe it's a long window where everything you do hits 1028 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.079 and then eventually you just kind of fall out of favor. 1029 00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:27.159 It's someone else's turn. Yeah. 1030 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.079 And you know, even even Spielberg to some extent, is 1031 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:31.079 in that place right now. 1032 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.639 Yeah, he's one of those rare people who's just sort 1033 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.440 of grandfathered in where he'll always get to make what 1034 00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:41.320 he wants. But his movies don't, you know, take the 1035 00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:42.719 world by storm like they used to. 1036 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.400 Yeah, that's right, you know, like right now is kind 1037 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:51.480 of Christopher Nolan's moment, right, Yes, and like everything that 1038 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.719 moment is going to pass. Yes, that's just the nature 1039 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:55.480 of these things, you know. 1040 00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:03.000 Yep, yep. Well, he's not said specifically, but almost said 1041 00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.559 as much where he's said, you know, people ask him, 1042 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.119 are you ever going to make your small little indie movie, 1043 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.360 and he's like, no, I realize the privilege I have 1044 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.039 where I can make movies at the budget that I can. Yeah, 1045 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.639 you know, at this sort of scale. So it's almost 1046 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.480 like incumbent upon me. Yeah, to exercise that privilege while 1047 00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:26.360 you can do it, while you can Yeah. 1048 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:29.000 Yeah, I you know, it's just you know, like you 1049 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.719 realize this the longer you're around and you see the 1050 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:33.800 arcs of these filmmakers' careers, you know. 1051 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:39.920 Yeah, yeah, it's for a little gizmo on the dart board. 1052 00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:46.159 It is interesting how they torment Gizmo, but they're like 1053 00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:52.039 neighborhood bullies, Like they're not hurting him, Like they don't 1054 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:53.119 kill him. Yeah. 1055 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:54.719 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 1056 00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:58.639 Like it's not like he's family. Yeah, he sucks, but 1057 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.280 he's family kind of you know. Yeah, you know, I never. 1058 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.519 Really thought about that, but you're right. Yeah, they pick 1059 00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:08.079 on him, Yeah, they don't hurt him. Yeah, it's interesting, 1060 00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:13.199 you know, Yeah that is I didn't think about that. So, uh, 1061 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:17.159 Francis Lee McCain playing the mother here, do you recognize 1062 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.119 her from another movie? 1063 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.159 I feel like I should. 1064 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.519 That is Lorraine's mom in Back to the Future. 1065 00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:32.400 Yes, okay, I knew, now, Marty. Yeah, yeah, wow, okay, yeah. 1066 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:37.239 Yeah, she got to go right back to that square. 1067 00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:43.199 You know, I'm I'm as i'm watching this, I'm realizing 1068 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.079 one thing that, like, you know, I was living overseas 1069 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:48.639 when this movie came out, and very much my the 1070 00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:51.960 notion in my head of like a typical suburban house 1071 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:53.920 was the Peltzer House. 1072 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.320 Yeah sure, sure, you know, yeah, and. 1073 00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:59.480 It is about as quintessential as it gets, like in 1074 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.840 terms of like what an eighties suburban house looked like. 1075 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:06.880 You know, it is funny what I mean, I'm gonna 1076 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.920 attribute it to Spielberg kicking it off, but making the 1077 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.960 suburbs like it's like movies take place in generally, if 1078 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.039 you're gonna make a movie, they take place in New York, 1079 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:19.079 they take place in Los Angeles, you know, with Hughes Chicago. 1080 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.239 With Spielberg, the Suburbs, right, the Suburbs are like a 1081 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.880 capital letter the location for him so much so, and 1082 00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.639 it's endured so long that now we have you know, 1083 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:33.119 Star Wars Skeleton Crew, Yeah, the series, and they have 1084 00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:36.320 a Star Wars version of the Suburbs because they're you know, 1085 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.960 intentionally trying to evoke that eighties feel. So that's amazing. Yeah, 1086 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.039 and I mean this is kind of like where I 1087 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.280 grew up, so it obviously struck a chord with me. 1088 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.880 And yet amazingly you did not see this movie all 1089 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.239 the way through until the nineties. 1090 00:57:56.000 --> 00:58:00.880 Yeah, that's very possible. Yeah, or maybe maybe the late 1091 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:03.119 eighties when the sequel was about to come out and 1092 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.920 it was on TV or something. But it was something 1093 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.039 I knew. I knew the box from the video store, 1094 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.719 you know, and you jogged a memory. I do remember 1095 00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:17.320 the story book at the school library. But yeah, yeah, I. 1096 00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:21.119 Remember at my school we had there was these like 1097 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.960 it was like the story of the movie for kids, 1098 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:26.719 but it was like these little it was like these 1099 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.719 little picture books and each book told a portion of 1100 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:31.239 the story. 1101 00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:31.920 Mmmm. 1102 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:36.000 So you had to check out, you know whatever, five 1103 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.960 or six of them in order to get the whole movie. 1104 00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:38.280 You know. 1105 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:41.519 Oh interesting, So it'd be from Gizmo's point of view, 1106 00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.199 it'd be from Billy's point of view, be from No, 1107 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.119 it wasn't even that. It was like like this book 1108 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.880 is from when mister Peltzer buys Gizmo to like, and 1109 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.239 now Billy and gizmoar are friends and that's like your 1110 00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:58.960 first book like that, right, I see, you know, but 1111 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.920 in the books, you know whatever, they were like twenty 1112 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:02.119 twenty by page or something like that. 1113 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.559 So I remember those. I remember checking all of those 1114 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.440 out and reading them, you know. So I was probably 1115 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:11.400 like five. Yeah, And like I said, I remember that 1116 00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:13.719 summer when we had to come to the States. You know, 1117 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:15.960 we got a little it was like a multi pack 1118 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:20.159 of little figurines and it was like Stripe as a 1119 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:25.480 mug why gizmo and Stripe as a gremlin and like 1120 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:28.760 a generic gremlin something like that. It's like this four pack. 1121 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:30.280 And I remember having those toys, you know. And I 1122 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.199 had a little Gizmo toy on my desk you know 1123 00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.519 for the longest time. Uh it was like it was 1124 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:38.559 a plastic figurine, you know. Yeah, And so it's again 1125 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:39.840 it was just part of. 1126 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.440 My here we go this. Yeah. 1127 00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:43.280 Yeah, I can see this as being kind of a 1128 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:44.599 traumatic moment. I suppose. 1129 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:46.559 Yeah, it's pretty grizzly. 1130 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:49.960 But I mean if any kid watches this and is like, hey, 1131 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:51.880 I want to do that to Rover, I mean, get 1132 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:52.800 that kid some help. 1133 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.960 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about the microwave. Yeah. People 1134 00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.599 not watching a lot. Oh and then also you can 1135 00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:00.320 see the grimlin she stabbed. 1136 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.480 To move, she grabs the second knife. 1137 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.519 Yeah yeah, but you see the guy still sort of 1138 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.320 struggling in the background the knife in him. Apparently they 1139 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.800 did film him struggling to get the knife out of him, okay, 1140 01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:13.639 and they were like, no, no, too. 1141 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:20.199 Far, that's too much, too far, too far. 1142 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.960 It is kind of funny, though, I know there's like 1143 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.199 a sliding scale or something as time marches on, because 1144 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.039 I mean, PG now is basically what you would think 1145 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.360 of as G when we were growing up. That's right, 1146 01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:35.079 but it is kind of like, you know, it does. 1147 01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.320 I guess things have calibrated ever since the invention of 1148 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:41.239 PG thirteen, you know, like your toy stories are rated PG, 1149 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.440 you know, right, right, But it's it's amazing to think 1150 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:48.800 seeing this mom with a like a psycho knife basically 1151 01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.400 just stabbing this creature repeatedly in the same rating as 1152 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:58.840 a toy story movie. I had that toy, that little 1153 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:00.760 robot right there, end up robot rightly. 1154 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:01.960 I had that robot. 1155 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:03.360 Oh wow, I remember that. 1156 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.199 I was like man sense memory. It was like it 1157 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.679 wasn't it was like it was a battery operated but. 1158 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:10.880 Yeah, oh okay, so you switch them on and then 1159 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:11.199 he moved. 1160 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:11.920 Yeah exactly. 1161 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:14.280 See. 1162 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.639 The the great thing about about the design of the 1163 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:22.960 Gremlins is that there's a real like it's not just 1164 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.360 just gleap clop, you know, mm hmm. There's this kind 1165 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:30.360 of artistic is there's a there's a weird beauty to 1166 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:30.960 the design. 1167 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:39.039 It really is. Yeah. Yeah, and like its body makes sense, yes, exactly. 1168 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:39.400 You know. 1169 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.480 Yeah, I was reading about an earlier version too, where 1170 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.440 the movie, like there was a version of the movie 1171 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:52.000 a draft or something where Billy was like wielding a 1172 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:56.039 sword through town. Is like him Corey Feldon character stuck 1173 01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:58.159 with him, and then the Phoebe Kate's characters like the 1174 01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:00.920 trio and he had the sword and they were just 1175 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:01.599 going through town. 1176 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.039 Probably the swords that they set up in the house. 1177 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.480 Yeah, yeah, you can kind of picture that version too. 1178 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.079 You know, almost feels like a Stranger Thing's kind of 1179 01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:15.159 kids with makeshift homemade weapons fighting a supernatural force. See. 1180 01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.599 I kind of dig that, and I love to see 1181 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:21.800 somebody like you said, like like when you think about 1182 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:26.960 like Stranger Things is not an excavation of some prior thing, right, 1183 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:32.079 it's a new thing. Inspired by people's collective memories. 1184 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.760 Right, Yeah, it's like do that do something new. I 1185 01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:40.079 would totally watch something like that, right. I remember when 1186 01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:43.440 Stranger Things was first announced and I saw the poster 1187 01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:45.920 and it was like the kids on bikes thing, and 1188 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:47.559 I remember thinking I was going to be the only 1189 01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:52.800 one watching it, which is laughable now, but I was like, 1190 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:57.159 oh wow, they bullseye for me. Yeah, it just I mean, 1191 01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:02.440 it proved that it's still evocative formula. You know, everybody 1192 01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:06.559 wants to watch that. Now. What is that robot again? 1193 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:10.199 Is that lost in Space? No, that's from a Forbidden Planet. 1194 01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:14.000 That's Robbie the Forbidden Planet. Yeah, yeah, not danger danger. Well, 1195 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:15.840 so that one must have been inspired by this one. 1196 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.119 Then it was yeah, yeah, Forbidden Planet. By the way, 1197 01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:21.880 if you haven't seen it, it's a very good movie. 1198 01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:22.760 I haven't seen it. 1199 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.960 Yeah. It stars Leslie Nielsen in a non comedic role, 1200 01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.039 so obviously when you you can't help but be like, oh, 1201 01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:33.679 that's Frank Grebin. That's hilarious. But despite that, it's it's 1202 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:35.039 very it's very good. 1203 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.559 Yeah. 1204 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:39.519 We were talking about the design of the Gremlins. We 1205 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.360 should shout out Chris Wallace, who actually designed them. 1206 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:43.079 M hm. 1207 01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:46.760 I mean it's remarkable. I mean it's you know, I 1208 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:49.280 think I think what he came up with was something 1209 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:53.119 that it stood the test of time. You know, I 1210 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:55.760 believe as Rick Baker, who did the effects for the 1211 01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:00.440 second one. Yeah, yeah, and you know with this one, 1212 01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.239 all the Gremlins are the exact same model, except for Stripe. 1213 01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.119 Obviously with the next one, Baker was able to take 1214 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.480 the foundation of what they established here and do something, 1215 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:14.440 you know, little wonk here. 1216 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:16.679 I think that was the appeal, right If he was 1217 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.960 just going to be recreating a design with the why 1218 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.400 I hire Rick Baker, But he got to make all 1219 01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:26.719 these an array of personalities and different types and looks 1220 01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:29.280 and like a bat gremlin And I love it. It's 1221 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:34.119 in the movie. The first time I saw that, I mean, 1222 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.079 it was just it's brilliant. It's a brilliant idea and 1223 01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:42.800 the execution could not be more perfect. Yeah, it's so good. 1224 01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:44.880 Well again, and so we're talking about the key and 1225 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.559 Peel sketch. Yeah, the fact that Joe Dante saw that 1226 01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.440 and was crack camp. He's like, yeah, that's basically what 1227 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:52.960 it was. That's that's very funny to me. 1228 01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.400 And you have to imagine too, Like, you know, Peel 1229 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:57.119 being sort of the horror guy that he is, he 1230 01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.840 probably loves that movie, like it's exactly probably done with affection, 1231 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:05.320 you know, yeah, yeah see. And I love this kind 1232 01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:08.199 of the humor throughout this movie. Like when the Grimlin 1233 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:10.280 jumps into the pool here, it's not like he just 1234 01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:13.079 goes in. They actually show a shot of him doing 1235 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.960 the cannonball pode and plugging his nose, you know what 1236 01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.360 I mean. That's the cheekiness of it. That's just so 1237 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:23.679 fun And I love this image. It's just so cool. 1238 01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.599 Oh it's great. You know what's funny. I'm sitting there 1239 01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:29.760 watching this this specific scene as the swimming pool is 1240 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.400 bubbling up, and in my head, I'm like, I just 1241 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:33.440 know Brian loves this. 1242 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.440 You really have my number, You're so like, but yes, 1243 01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:40.000 because it's like a y m C a public swimming 1244 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.639 pool that should be normal and safe, but then seeing 1245 01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.840 it bubbling and these weird strobe lights going on underneath, 1246 01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.159 that's that is my jam man. It's just a. 1247 01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:52.440 Great shot, you know, it's so effectively executed. 1248 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:56.599 Yep, here we go. 1249 01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:02.719 And here's Jonathan Banks aka Mike Ermin Trott yea from 1250 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:06.599 Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Yeah, and he's in 1251 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:09.280 Beverly Hills Cop the same year, same year man. 1252 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:15.039 Yeah, yeah, it's funny. This scene is very similar to 1253 01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:18.480 the scene in The Goonies, also written by Christopher Columbus, 1254 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:21.840 when Chunk is calling the police station and they're like 1255 01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:25.280 oh right, right, right, sure, you know, like not believing 1256 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.599 him talking about the Fertellies, Which is funny though, because 1257 01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:30.719 then he's like, oh, you and your stories, you know 1258 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:32.800 about like those little creatures that get wet when you 1259 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.320 would throw water on him, Like he references Gremlins in the. 1260 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:42.440 Thing about these these goddamn idiot cops here. Yeah, because 1261 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.920 you tell me once you see Gizmo, isn't that kind 1262 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.679 of like okay, maybe we should listen to this kid? 1263 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:53.760 Yeah, right, right, So this shot I love this. Look 1264 01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.480 at that that motion, it's so like funny. Yeah. 1265 01:06:57.519 --> 01:06:59.960 They could never quite figure out how to make Gizmo 1266 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:05.239 walk yeah, and make it look good. But as far 1267 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:08.599 as the Gremlins, I think I think the way they 1268 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:11.119 pulled that off that it's slightly from a distance that's 1269 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.119 stop motion. It has the problem it looks real enough 1270 01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.360 but also unnerving enough, you know. 1271 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.719 Yeah, something about the staccato, you know, stop motionness of 1272 01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:26.199 it makes it a little like unnerving, Yeah, which is 1273 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.960 I guess stop motion is what Joe Dante wanted to do. 1274 01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:33.719 And other people even proposed having a monkey dressing it 1275 01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:35.360 up like a gremlin, and I guess they tried it, 1276 01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:40.320 but the monkey panicked, and which makes speaking of Jordan Peele, 1277 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:41.800 you know, makes me think of Nope. I mean that's 1278 01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:46.320 like a whole plot point. Don't make real animals, especially monkeys, 1279 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.239 be a part of your TV show, Yeah right, yeah, 1280 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:55.400 they might freak out, but this is fun, Like you 1281 01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:57.360 couldn't do this anymore. Well, I guess you'd pull the 1282 01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.880 cable plug or something, you know, but like messing with 1283 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.039 TV intent on the roof and someone. 1284 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:06.639 Somebody pulls your modem router cable. 1285 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:16.239 Yes, right, right, yeah, you're right. But yeah, that's just 1286 01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:20.119 something so fun it just doesn't even register with me. 1287 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.560 But I guess there aren't TV in Tennis anymore on 1288 01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:26.039 enough of rooftops. But it's still I mean, I remember that, 1289 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.239 so it's still kind of fun to see these little 1290 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:32.079 monsters swinging on it. Yeah, you know, something that I 1291 01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.399 had on top of my house growing up. 1292 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:41.520 Dick Miller has the most character actor face, right, like, yeah, yeah, 1293 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:51.720 he just embodied a type totally. Now this movie based 1294 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.199 on this movie. Mister Futterman is dead. 1295 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.960 Yes, which always surprises me. You think they're gonna get 1296 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.319 out and it just destroys the house. But it's pretty dark. 1297 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:04.279 Yeah. Well, this is the thing because because I remember 1298 01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:06.479 watching the second one and being surprised he was in it, 1299 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:07.800 because I was like, I thought he died. 1300 01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.279 Well supposedly I read this, I did not hear it, 1301 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.920 but there's a news report in the movie. Okay, and 1302 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:18.640 you can hear them say that Futterman was taken to 1303 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:19.359 a hospital. 1304 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:21.039 Okay, so that's at the very end. 1305 01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:24.840 Yeah, so they probably realized this is pretty intense, and 1306 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.520 so they decided to keep him alive for them hopefully. 1307 01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:30.319 Well yeah, because they're both they're both in the next one. 1308 01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:36.680 Oh they both are okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. This immediately 1309 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.319 is like, oh, that's the church from Gilmore Girls. What's 1310 01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:40.840 happened to me? 1311 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:47.800 I think we need a Gilmore Gremlins, right, yeah, yeah, 1312 01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:51.359 I think there's a crossover opportunity. And they're both Warner 1313 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:53.840 Brothers properties, and it's just that somebody's leaving money on 1314 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:59.720 the table. Yeah, have Laura I attacking gremlins using a 1315 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.119 show as like a hatchet, you know, yeah. 1316 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:04.960 Right, and then like Luke shows up with like some 1317 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.600 contraption he's made out. It's like I'd watch it, watch it, 1318 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:13.800 and then all the banter. Imagine the banter. It'd be 1319 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:19.800 so fun, right, But this is kind of funny, how 1320 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:22.920 low fi this gag is here? Yeah, gremlin messing with 1321 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:25.760 the traffic light and we only hear the car crash. 1322 01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:28.199 You know, we don't like see anything. 1323 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.399 That is well and and see this is this is 1324 01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.520 why I was thinking about are the critters that uh 1325 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.319 mister Futterman talked about were they gremlins? Because they're acting 1326 01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:41.159 like those types of gremlins. 1327 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.119 Mm hmm, you know what I mean. 1328 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:47.840 They're not just a malevolent horde. They're mischievous, so those 1329 01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:49.720 you know, that's why I was like, so we're those 1330 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:51.279 real gremlins, like you. 1331 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:57.920 Know, yeah, yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Let's 1332 01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.000 get you know, how old he is in this movie? 1333 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:01.840 Oh no, how old? 1334 01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:06.119 Twenty three? No, No, he's like thirty seven. 1335 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:13.880 Yeah, yeah, there's a different time. I mean, yeah, I mean, 1336 01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:15.800 I don't mean this in any sort of negative way, 1337 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.399 but it just feels like people aged a little quicker. 1338 01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:19.640 I don't know if it has to do with even 1339 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.800 I mean truly like not making a joke, but like 1340 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.760 even just like sunscreen or you know, just certain sorts 1341 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:26.239 of things that have changed over the years. 1342 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:31.359 But well, but here's the thing I wonder, like, what 1343 01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.159 do my parent my not my parents, what do my 1344 01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:36.279 students think of me? 1345 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:41.880 That's very true, right, that's very true. I mean I 1346 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:44.920 can't speak for my own face, but just when I 1347 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.079 see certain people on TV who are a certain age 1348 01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:51.000 and then compare them to people of that same age 1349 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.000 in these sorts of movies, I do sometimes find it 1350 01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:57.479 a little surprising. I mean Wilford Brimley is the classic example, yes, right, 1351 01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.199 you know where people like Paul Rudd is older than 1352 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.479 Wilford Brimley was in Cocoon. Gwen Stefani is either the 1353 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.319 same age or older wow than Wilford Brimley and Cocoon, 1354 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:16.079 and that's just still shocking. So this sort of you know, 1355 01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:17.720 this is kind of a dark little joke. Having the 1356 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.560 woman on that chair that moves up and down the 1357 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:23.000 stairs and she flies out the window, which reminds me that. 1358 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.600 I guess when they were looking for directors they did 1359 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:29.399 look into Tim Burton. Oh interesting, and some of this 1360 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.800 you can definitely see Tim Burton having fun with this, 1361 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:36.560 and it would be interesting to see what parts of 1362 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:40.239 his voice he would bring into this. You know, not 1363 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:41.880 that I'd prefer it. I do like what we have, 1364 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.720 but it, you know, it's interesting. 1365 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:49.760 Yeah, I wonder about that because because I can definitely yeah, 1366 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:51.399 I don't know, that's a tough one, right, Like what 1367 01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:53.359 would a Tim Burton Gremlins look like? 1368 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:55.800 I'm sure it would have been a lot of fun. 1369 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.840 And you can imagine. I mean, his movie that everyone 1370 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:02.840 was watching in this moment was franken Weenie, you know, 1371 01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:05.680 kind of a horror comedy kind of thing. So you 1372 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:10.600 can see why they were like, wew, that's interesting. Yeah, 1373 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:12.520 but he hadn't made a movie yet, so I think 1374 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:14.239 they were nervous that this would be too much of 1375 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:20.479 an undertaking. I do love that though. The gremlins caroling 1376 01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:23.239 there and they have like their little little hats and 1377 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:30.800 scarves and you know, like little songbooks. Yeah, it's really funny. 1378 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:38.000 So Paullie Holliday, who plays missus Deegle, she was she 1379 01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.359 was flow the waitress on on Alice. 1380 01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:44.079 You know, I gotta be honest. I know that reference, 1381 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:45.399 and I hear it referenced a lot. 1382 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.000 But I'm you've heard that. 1383 01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:49.359 I see again, I know what that is. I didn't 1384 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:51.359 know that was from that. That's just something I don't 1385 01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:52.359 really know. 1386 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:54.119 You know, how old she is here? 1387 01:13:56.119 --> 01:14:03.560 How old are you kidding? I'm not kidding. I'm gonna 1388 01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:09.479 need them in Zachi. I don't know. I don't know 1389 01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:11.319 if this is like a certain sort of age where 1390 01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:14.039 you just suddenly become obsessed with actors' ages and movies 1391 01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:18.880 and comparing them to where you are. But I never 1392 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:24.600 get tired of it. I do kind of love this 1393 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.119 sort of idea of these two cops who didn't believe 1394 01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.199 the kid's story, being in this car and sort of 1395 01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:33.199 casually looking at all the horror around them, like, hey, 1396 01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:35.840 look at that Santa Claus. He's getting attacked by tiny 1397 01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:41.520 little kishure like slowly dawning on them. It's something kind 1398 01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:46.640 of cartoony and funny about it, just rolling up their window. 1399 01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:51.920 You know, I've not seen a lot of behind the 1400 01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:54.520 scenes footage of this, do you know if that's out there? 1401 01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:57.000 Like just seeing the puppeteers working all of this. That'd 1402 01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:57.760 be really interesting. 1403 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.960 I haven't seen any. I suspect something got to exist, right, Yeah, 1404 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.399 but we talked right past when missus Deegle dies, but 1405 01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:08.520 clearly a little nod to the wicked Witch. 1406 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.439 Very much after Billy's dog. After literally she says I'll 1407 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.920 get you and your little dog too, I mean she 1408 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:23.560 almost does. She says she's going to take the dog right. Yeah, 1409 01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:25.720 so here, maybe this is why we don't see the 1410 01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:29.720 car crash earlier. They're like, we get one. Yeah, that's right, 1411 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:34.359 that's the budget. Yeah, it's kind of fun. You know, 1412 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:36.920 you can see the little I don't know, rig or 1413 01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:40.000 whatever it is underneath the car that's put in place 1414 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:43.359 so it will flip over. Yeah, probably paint out digitally. 1415 01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:54.760 Kind of fun occasionally, you know. Yeah. But yeah, the 1416 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.880 Degal thing feels it's funny because they do paint her 1417 01:15:57.920 --> 01:15:59.680 as an awful person, and she does want to get 1418 01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:03.720 the dog. But it is sort of jarring to see 1419 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:07.720 an old woman yelling in terror being thrown out a window. 1420 01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:10.079 I don't know, Brian, I think I'm okay with it. 1421 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:13.439 I'd have been okay with it even without all this stuff. 1422 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:18.520 Earlier. It doesn't make me wonder I would. I'm not 1423 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:21.600 you know, clamoring for the Snyder cut per se of this, 1424 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:26.000 but like, I would be curious to see the full blown, 1425 01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:30.119 you know, two hour plus just all the story threads 1426 01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:31.319 and things that they had going on. 1427 01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:35.479 See. I want the Missus Deegal prequel where she comes 1428 01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:39.279 to Kingston falls as young and hopeful, and you know, 1429 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:42.479 she has a difficult marriage. You know, her husband goes 1430 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:44.560 off to war and die like, no gremlins at all, 1431 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.239 nothing to do with that gremlins at all. 1432 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.239 And she takes over the real estate business and it's 1433 01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.000 hardened her. She doesn't want to become hard but it 1434 01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:51.600 hardens her. 1435 01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.760 It would be like a secret Gremlin's prequel, Like she'd 1436 01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:56.960 be called like Beatrice or something, and that's like and 1437 01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:58.520 then at the very end, they're like, what do you 1438 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.119 want to do now, Beatrice, She's like, I'm not Beatrice, 1439 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:02.399 I'm Degel. 1440 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:04.279 Yeah, yeah, call Meg. 1441 01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:08.840 And then we hear the gremlins, the Jerry Goldsmith Gremlins, 1442 01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:10.079 Rag come up, you know, the. 1443 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:12.600 And then like. 1444 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:17.840 Three quarters of the audience goes, huh yeah. It's sort 1445 01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:20.479 of like at the end of Split where it revealed it, 1446 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:24.119 and I it was like me and three other people 1447 01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:28.720 in a full theater, going, hey, no one. 1448 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:29.800 Else got it. 1449 01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:32.079 Well, it's like the movie Pearl, right, Like if you 1450 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:36.560 happen to know it's a prequel to X right, otherwise 1451 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:38.960 you're just like, oh, it's just about this deeply disturbed woman, 1452 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:39.439 you know. 1453 01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:42.640 Right right? But you know what, Frankly, I think after 1454 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:44.159 this we should get in the car and drive away 1455 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:46.960 to Warner Brothers, because I think we have an ip 1456 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:53.840 bonanza just ready to go the GCU, the Gremlins Cinematic Universe. 1457 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:54.279 We're ready. 1458 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.960 Yeah, you know, I know again, I know they have 1459 01:17:57.000 --> 01:17:58.840 the animated series and I've heard it's pretty good, and 1460 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.399 I feel like, I don't know why not. I mean, 1461 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.079 they're doing it to everything else. I think there's some 1462 01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:05.840 fun to be had with us. I think that. 1463 01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:10.239 Definitely, Like I don't see any reason not to do 1464 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:11.520 something else with the Gremlins. 1465 01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:13.279 I am. 1466 01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:17.439 I am vehement that if Joe Johnson, well, Joe Johnson, hey, 1467 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:20.000 if you want to directed there, but Joe Dante has 1468 01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:21.479 to be involved in some way. 1469 01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:24.800 Absolutely, because this is a unique tone. I think it 1470 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:28.119 needs to stay with this playful darkness. 1471 01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:34.199 So Okay, so here's my question. We saw them drinking beer. Yes, 1472 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:38.760 but I thought the rule was don't get them wet. 1473 01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:43.800 See because the dad even says don't. He can't even 1474 01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:46.520 drink water, right, so then it made me wonder what 1475 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:47.479 he can drink. 1476 01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:48.159 Exactly. 1477 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:50.920 Yeah, so you can say, oh, don't, don't get them, 1478 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:54.960 don't don't they can't be exposed to water. Okay, well 1479 01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:59.760 then alcohol is different. But if the rule is don't 1480 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:01.319 get the wet, well, I mean they're. 1481 01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:03.720 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. 1482 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.399 Yeah right, shouldn't they be shouldn't they be popping off 1483 01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:09.680 and multiplying if they're drinking beer. 1484 01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:13.520 That's a good point because later when the stripe is 1485 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.680 at the fountain. Yeah, I mean he it's not like 1486 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.560 the metamorphosis is done once they become a gremlin. Apparently 1487 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.479 they can reproduce too, So exactly this cracks me. 1488 01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:22.800 Up, doesn't doesn't make sense for me. 1489 01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:26.760 This is very funny, sort of the loner jazz man, 1490 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:29.840 this whole thing right here, this has come on. That's 1491 01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:37.640 hilarious that the pup so funny. Yeah, so the gremlins 1492 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:42.560 have some level of intelligence obviously. Yeah, they're emulating people. 1493 01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:47.439 So this is not that far removed tonally from what 1494 01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:50.399 we see the Gremlin's doing in the second one. Yeah, yeah, 1495 01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.199 like this right here. No, you're right, Like they take 1496 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:55.800 this and they're like, no, we're doing that. 1497 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:56.840 This is the whole movie. 1498 01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:58.840 Yeah, flash dance is what we're talking about here, this 1499 01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:03.279 flash dance thing. Yeah, you're totally right. I mean, the 1500 01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:04.479 seeds of it are in here. 1501 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:09.000 For sure, Like famously Joe Dante because because Warner Brothers 1502 01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.800 was trying and trying to get something off the ground 1503 01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:16.479 with with the Gremlin sequel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 1504 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:18.239 Gremlins Go Hawaiian. 1505 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:19.359 I'm sure it was in the. 1506 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:24.800 Minutes the Warner Brothers go to was in doubt, you know, yeah, 1507 01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:25.960 Batman goes Hawaiian. 1508 01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:27.039 I think that was something they can said. 1509 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:31.399 I wish I had, but but they cut. They circle 1510 01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:33.239 back around to Dante. He's like, fine, I'll do but 1511 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:35.439 you let me do whatever I want. And they're like fine, 1512 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:38.880 mm hm, you know, and it's sort of the the 1513 01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.319 desperation of the Condemned. They were like, fine, whatever it takes, 1514 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:46.800 you know, and then unfortunately that gambled. 1515 01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:48.720 And pay off. That's what irks me a little bit. 1516 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:51.439 I wonder why that was. Was it a little too late? 1517 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:53.199 I think it's too late. It's six six years. 1518 01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:56.199 Yeah, yeah, I mean it didn't. 1519 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:58.199 Feel too late to me. Like that's I I think 1520 01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.800 I've said this before, right, because you had had Ghostbusters 1521 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:03.359 two in eighty nine, you had Gremlins two in ninety 1522 01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:05.880 and I wasn't like, oh finally, I was like, oh great, 1523 01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:07.560 you know another one. 1524 01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:11.359 Or weirdly, was this just one of those things that 1525 01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:14.760 just hit at the right time, just kind of a unicorn? Yeah, 1526 01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:19.319 I don't know. I mean it was no fluke. You know, 1527 01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:21.520 it made in in nineteen eighty four money, It made 1528 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:23.920 one hundred and fifty million dollars. It was the highest 1529 01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:27.000 grossing Warner Brothers movie until Batman in nineteen eighty nine. 1530 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:30.560 So I mean then, see, that's so people were going 1531 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.760 back again and again. Yeah, it struck a chord. 1532 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:34.840 Yeah, that's that's really interesting to me. 1533 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:35.119 You know. 1534 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.920 You know what's kind of interesting. I was reading you know, 1535 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.840 Howie Mandel did Gizmo's lines, and a lot of other people, 1536 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:45.039 of course did the Gremlins lines. But Frank Welker is 1537 01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:47.560 a stripe by the way, right right right in Michael 1538 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:52.439 Winslow of Police Academy. He's one of the voices, you know, 1539 01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:55.159 the one gremlin that's like rare, rare ring ring ring, 1540 01:21:55.520 --> 01:22:00.000 you know. Oh so just the Michael Winslow gremlin, Yeah, 1541 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.880 wouldn't be amazing. But no, Apparently what they did was 1542 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:07.000 when they dubbed it for overseas, Howie Mandel and those 1543 01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:12.279 actors like localized the dialogue that they were doing. Oh 1544 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.880 so they did jokes that made sense in Germany, that 1545 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:18.159 made sense in Japan. And apparently in this bar scene 1546 01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:23.840 they dubbed the gremlins to be singing German bar songs, right, 1547 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.560 and so it's like it just kind of resonated everywhere. 1548 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:28.800 They found a really clever way to make everyone sort 1549 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:30.479 of connect with it and find the humor in it, 1550 01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.239 you know, even locally. So that's it's pretty genius. 1551 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:36.439 Hey, it's it's a good way for them to make 1552 01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:37.560 a little extra coin too. 1553 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:43.319 Yeah. Yeah, but we're in the bank here, right, Yes, Yeah, 1554 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.039 I guess there was like a scene I think it 1555 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:47.319 was even filmed or maybe it was. It's filmed, yeah, 1556 01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:50.159 with Judge Errold. Yeah we get like payoff. 1557 01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:52.319 Yeah, he's like locked himself in the vault and he's 1558 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:53.560 gone a little kuocko bananas. 1559 01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:59.359 Yeah, yeah, so but again, I mean, you can see 1560 01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:02.199 why a writer would write that. It makes sense, you 1561 01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:06.079 set this guy up. But I think they've realized what 1562 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:08.279 we're doing here, and it's like, now just keep going 1563 01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:10.279 with you know the creatures. 1564 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:13.239 Like I wouldn't have complained if they kept that scene in. 1565 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.560 I don't think the movie loses anything because you're not like, well, 1566 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:16.880 what happened to Jerry? You know? 1567 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:19.720 Yeah, but I. 1568 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:22.880 Think just as as just sort of putting a button 1569 01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:27.079 on that character, I think it wasn't the worst thing. Yeah, 1570 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.600 oh no, same, same, And it might have even you know, 1571 01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:32.079 if Billy had no confidence at the beginning or something, 1572 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.920 and then through this adventure he has gained confidence and 1573 01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:37.279 he's able to tell off this guy who believes. 1574 01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:38.680 Him at work, I could see him satisfying. 1575 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:44.159 Okay, so let's talk about Kate's monologue here. Yes, about 1576 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.600 her her dad dad. Now, let me first say, her 1577 01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:52.920 dad kind of an idiot? Yes, So, like I think 1578 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:56.079 we have to we have to acknowledge at the heart 1579 01:23:56.119 --> 01:23:59.279 of this horrible tragedy is her dad was an objectively 1580 01:23:59.319 --> 01:23:59.880 stupid and. 1581 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:04.039 A grown man. Yeah, thinking it's a good idea to 1582 01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:08.359 go down a chimney in pretending he's Santa Claus. Bad idea. 1583 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:15.399 Right, So so so is this whole long thing about 1584 01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:18.279 how you know they found her dad's body and the 1585 01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:19.520 you know thing, and that's why. 1586 01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:21.800 She hits Christmas. And the studio was like, no, you 1587 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:26.199 have to cut that, and Spielberg was like, h I 1588 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:28.880 don't know about that, but he left it to Joe Dante. 1589 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:33.800 I really admire that. Yes, yeah, Spielberg also didn't like it, 1590 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:37.720 but well, it's your movie. Yeah. I mean that's talk 1591 01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:41.520 about a confident producer, like I picked you for a reason. 1592 01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:44.600 It's your movie. If you like it. I don't like it. 1593 01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:46.920 But if you like it, that's your movie, well leave 1594 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:47.159 it in. 1595 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:53.079 It is it is very jarring. 1596 01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:56.720 It is one of the only times I do Yeah. 1597 01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:58.640 I feel like after the action is kicked in, the 1598 01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:03.479 movie kind of slows to a stop just so she 1599 01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:04.600 can tell that story. 1600 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:07.479 You know what'd be funny is after that she finishes 1601 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:09.399 the story and then we go we get that reaction 1602 01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:11.720 from Billy and after beating he's just like, very quietly, 1603 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:14.680 he's like, I'm sorry I called you dude. 1604 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:21.760 You know what, though, when I say slows to a stop. 1605 01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:23.800 I think it's in the execution. I think it was 1606 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:29.199 throwing me off that she's telling this clearly emotional story 1607 01:25:29.199 --> 01:25:31.119 that she's finally ready to tell. 1608 01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:36.920 He's like listening exactly, yeah, which is kind of weird. Well, 1609 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.279 I think no, I'll tell you because he didn't expect 1610 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:42.119 it like that. Who has a story like that? 1611 01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:44.800 You know what I mean tooche, But I think characterized, 1612 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.399 it would have been nice to see him realize like, oh, oh, 1613 01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:50.960 she's like opening up to me, and then the thing earlier. 1614 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:53.199 Now I see why there's this like she's a little 1615 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.560 haunted and then you know this should be like then 1616 01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:58.800 where he pulls her close and like they connect or 1617 01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:02.279 something because he I don't know, I'll tell you what 1618 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:05.239 I love though, is the second one specifically, it makes 1619 01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:08.680 fun of that moment I don't remember. 1620 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:13.319 Yeah, well, if you're gonna watch it, just but it's 1621 01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.359 it's as if Dante himself is like, yeah, I'm gonna 1622 01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:18.000 like take take the piss out of that, you know 1623 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:19.079 that's funny. 1624 01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:24.039 Yeah, Now, I mean you could imagine that being some 1625 01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:26.880 sort of like urban legend or something, and probably I'm 1626 01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:30.920 sure it's like yeah, I'm just saying that dad kind 1627 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:36.279 of a Darwin Award. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. 1628 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:41.359 I was reading also because I do remember this. But 1629 01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:43.840 in the second movie, well, or I should say, with 1630 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:45.880 this movie, Leonard Malton, who is the film critic for 1631 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:49.159 Entertainment Tonight, didn't like this movie. Yes, right, he called 1632 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:52.479 it icky and gross, and so then he makes a 1633 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:53.640 cameo in the second movie. 1634 01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:55.520 Yeah, the gremlins murder him in the second. 1635 01:26:55.479 --> 01:26:58.720 Yeah, criticizing the first movie and then the gremlins kill him, 1636 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:07.960 which is what a good sport? Yeah, that's funny, Leonard 1637 01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:09.000 Malton legend. 1638 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:14.199 Yeah, I still you got me the very last Leonard 1639 01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:15.520 Malton film guide. 1640 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:16.079 Yep. 1641 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:18.560 Yeah, still have it sitting. I'm looking at it right now. 1642 01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:19.800 It's on my shelf. 1643 01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:20.880 Yeah. 1644 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:22.880 It just reminds me of a time. It's just a 1645 01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:25.239 piece of history, right, sort of like a pre internet 1646 01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:26.840 thing where it was like a movie guide where he 1647 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:31.319 had these little mini reviews for ya and that guy 1648 01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:36.840 reviewed everything. Mm hmm, yep. 1649 01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:39.439 It's just this fat little book that just kept getting 1650 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:40.199 fatter every year. 1651 01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:46.199 Yeah, this is so adorable, this execution. So they're in 1652 01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:48.640 the movie theater now, the Gremlins and Snow white just 1653 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:52.319 started playing and they're all like, you know, teasing each 1654 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:53.920 other or whatever. But then all of a sudden, they 1655 01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:57.119 slowly but surely become captivated. And then now they're like 1656 01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:00.399 bobbing their heads to the high hoe like it's this 1657 01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:06.840 gets me every single time. It's so funny. That's what's 1658 01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:09.359 so great too, Right. They're not these like mindless killers, 1659 01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:12.199 right exactly you were saying earlier. They have personalities, and 1660 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:15.199 they have senses of humor as twisted as it is, 1661 01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:19.479 you know, yeah, I I mean. 1662 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:22.399 You referred to Goolies earlier, right, which turned into its 1663 01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:27.279 own little franchise, and that was very clearly inspired by Gremlins, right, 1664 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:31.520 and but it you know it it lacked the I 1665 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:32.920 mean that was always going to be kind of a 1666 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:33.560 niche thing. 1667 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:35.800 Yeah, and that that's. 1668 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:38.640 What Spielberg understood, is there was an opportunity to make 1669 01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:41.039 like this is this you have to imagine that this 1670 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:46.199 was a gateway movie two more, uh you know, extreme 1671 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:50.880 horror for sure, sure for younger audiences, yeah, right, but 1672 01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:54.119 but it also it plays for people who don't like horror, 1673 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:56.439 you know, which I you know, that's that's you and me. 1674 01:28:56.359 --> 01:28:57.079 For the cost of us. 1675 01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:02.279 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, this is the the yeah, particular type 1676 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:03.720 of horror I kind of delight in, you know. Or 1677 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:06.600 it's like I like spooky, you know, like the shining 1678 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:08.560 and those sorts of things, but like this where there's 1679 01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:13.239 a little cheekiness to it. Or yeah, I don't know, 1680 01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:15.439 like I always I've said a million times, but the 1681 01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:21.680 something crazy in your backyard and using your understandable resources, 1682 01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:23.199 you know, the resources that I have in my own 1683 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:25.439 tool shed to fight a sinister force. 1684 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:26.239 I find that one. 1685 01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:32.680 Yeah, it is a shame we don't really get movies 1686 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:35.680 like this anymore. It feels like, you know, no, I 1687 01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:40.840 feel like that the room in the marketplace has sort 1688 01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:44.359 of just been carved out. 1689 01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:51.880 Yeah, or everything it can't be it has to fit 1690 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:55.640 into four neat boxes. You know. This one feels like 1691 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:59.760 a subversion of a box. Yeah, you know, or playing 1692 01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:02.720 with the notion of a certain box and it's like no, no, no, no, 1693 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:04.800 well then you might lose these people or you won't 1694 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:07.600 get those people to go to It's like, no, everything 1695 01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:09.000 kind of has to fit into a box. 1696 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:09.600 Yeah. 1697 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.159 Algorithmically, I'm sure that has something to do with it. 1698 01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:15.039 That you look at it, the algorithm and you're like, well, 1699 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:19.880 could an algorithm predict this movie? Probably not. This movie 1700 01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:23.199 has to exist to prove that it is successful. 1701 01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:25.439 That's a really good point. 1702 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:30.840 Yeah, kind of sad, that's fun the animated shadows on 1703 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:35.760 the screen, and then there so that they take that 1704 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:38.720 gag to the tenth degree, you know, the next one 1705 01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:41.439 right where it's here, it's just a really I thought 1706 01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:43.319 it was a bigger deal in this one where they 1707 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:46.359 clow through the screen, which would look cool if you're 1708 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:49.720 watching this in a movie theater. But then in the 1709 01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:51.920 second one, it's like, literally the movie stops in the 1710 01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:55.920 Hulk Hogan yells at them to stop messing. 1711 01:30:55.640 --> 01:31:01.079 With the movie time capsule. No, what you just said 1712 01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:06.000 about the algorithm. I think that's so that's very illuminating, right, 1713 01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:12.279 because that's the creative space we're in now where hey, 1714 01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:15.359 pour one out from Montgomery Ward, first place I ever worked. 1715 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.640 Hey, Yeah, I. 1716 01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:22.920 Think that we're at a place now where creative decisions 1717 01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:29.199 are algorithmically driven or algorithmically allowed. Yes, and we see 1718 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:32.359 how you know, so much of what this movie is 1719 01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:38.039 comes came down to Steven Spielberg and Joe Dante, between 1720 01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:41.479 them following their muse in these interesting ways and then 1721 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.680 wouldn't you know it most unlikely it becomes the fourth 1722 01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:45.920 highest grossing movie of the year. 1723 01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:46.600 Yeah. 1724 01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:47.760 Who could have predicted that? 1725 01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:52.840 Yeah? Not a computer? Yeah you know yeah. I mean 1726 01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:55.560 the example I heard years ago that I always think 1727 01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:59.119 about is if it's nineteen seventy seven and you just 1728 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:01.720 had Jaws come out, O, what's the movie you think 1729 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:03.439 is going to be the biggest hit, you know, something 1730 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:07.199 at sea or whale or whatever. But what is it? 1731 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:11.279 It's a space opera. Yeah, you know, it's like you 1732 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.680 an algorithm would not have predicted that. But that's some 1733 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:17.479 George Lucas his muse. He was you know, he had 1734 01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:20.720 a gut feeling about something that people would love this thing, 1735 01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:22.640 and he was right. But you couldn't have predicted it. 1736 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:26.199 But and he instead of making you know, like a 1737 01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:30.079 shark monster movie, his space movie is still raking in 1738 01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:33.920 millions and millions today, you know. And so you know, 1739 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:38.119 it's you're missing out on potential ip to exploit later on, 1740 01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:41.159 you know, by not letting people create new things. 1741 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:44.640 Well, and it's like we were talking about Christopher Nolan earlier, right, 1742 01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:48.359 and it's like right now we're probably we're probably at 1743 01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:52.520 the tail end of like the superhero trend, right, sure, 1744 01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:56.960 and yet no one has been able to do what 1745 01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:59.920 he did with The Dark Knight, uh huh, because it's 1746 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:03.560 the marriage of the concept and the creator. 1747 01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:08.079 Yes, you know, yep, it's not only no one could 1748 01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:09.479 have made that version. 1749 01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:14.359 Of exactly yes, right, yes, And and I think that's 1750 01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.399 just as applicable here, right, I mean, conceptually this is 1751 01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:22.600 a pretty straightforward horror flick, but Joe Dante has this 1752 01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:28.439 touch of madness mm hm that makes it sweet and 1753 01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:33.039 funny and and and the idiosyncratic, you know, with that 1754 01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:37.119 the Kate's Dead Dad monologue and you know, all this 1755 01:33:37.159 --> 01:33:38.640 stuff that you said, well, this is this is a 1756 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.560 product of this storyteller. 1757 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:46.359 Yeah, you know, yeah, and that's what everyone sparks to 1758 01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:49.760 idio secrecies, like you're saying, you know. 1759 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:53.840 Yeah, And and I think that's why to some extent 1760 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:57.000 this movie is still watched to whatever extent it has watched, 1761 01:33:57.039 --> 01:33:59.920 you know, or still know and still remembered to some degree, 1762 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:05.239 you know, yeah, I mean sticking again with the supernatural 1763 01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:08.439 or in the suburbs or a noble area, it's kind 1764 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:11.560 of fun then seeing like a department store being taken over. 1765 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:15.159 You know, and using all the resources of a department store, 1766 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:18.000 like the chainsaw and the baseball bat. 1767 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.119 That's like, that's a really good little gag there, I think, 1768 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:22.439 I think, you know, because it's it's stopping him, but 1769 01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:24.960 it's also the saw is cutting through, like you have 1770 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.359 a limited amount of time that bat's gonna work. I 1771 01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:28.560 always thought that was very clever. 1772 01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:29.000 Ye. 1773 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:32.279 Apparently they came up with that while they were there 1774 01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:33.560 just looking at the things that they had. 1775 01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:34.600 That's great. 1776 01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:41.239 Yeah, we get a little ET yeah not here. Yeah, 1777 01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:44.960 funny of course, Warner Brothers, Yep, in more ways than one. 1778 01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:47.079 I mean, obviously we literally see an ET doll, but 1779 01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:50.119 that's a gag that's in each right exactly where he's 1780 01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:52.439 hiding amongst stuffed animals. 1781 01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:57.960 So even here you see Dante's love of the the 1782 01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:04.119 Looneytons characters. Yeah, and I just I just want to 1783 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:05.880 say I missed department stores like this. 1784 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:10.399 I know, I know, and maybe that's why we well 1785 01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:12.479 I won't speak for you, but I love Target. 1786 01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:17.760 Yeah. I mean that's sort of like the vestigial remnant 1787 01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:21.720 of what we used to have, right like, Yeah, because 1788 01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:25.439 you go in for you know, one thing, that ship 1789 01:35:25.560 --> 01:35:27.039 right there scares the pants off me. 1790 01:35:27.399 --> 01:35:31.439 Oh the saw blade, the saw blade. Yeah, it's freaking terrifying. Yeah, 1791 01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:35.199 oh yeah, I love him on the tric that's great. 1792 01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:37.279 That's a cool effect, right. 1793 01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:41.640 It's very cool effect, and it's very that's this movie. Yeah, 1794 01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:42.439 I'm afraid of. 1795 01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:44.920 That thing, but it's also kind of adorable seeing it 1796 01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:53.840 on a tricycle, you know, like going around creating terror. Now, 1797 01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:55.199 well you no, no, I was just saying about target. 1798 01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:57.800 Yeah. You go in for whatever, you know, the hammer 1799 01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:00.680 or something, and then you start looking at books, you know, 1800 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:02.359 and then you're like, oh, maybe I could buy a hat, 1801 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:07.039 you know, right, you know it's records and movies and 1802 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:13.279 it's or groceries even, you know, it's it's great target. 1803 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:22.039 You know this commentary track brought to you by targeting exactly. Yeah. 1804 01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:24.640 Yeah, well this gets to what you talk about all 1805 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:29.279 the time, right where you introduced something supernatural, super normal 1806 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:33.960 into into suburbia. And what a better example than this, right, 1807 01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:38.840 His Billy's in a sporting good section. He's just baseball 1808 01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:41.720 bat whatever's around. And I love this. But Stripe's got 1809 01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:43.880 the the crossbow. 1810 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:48.800 And that's terrifying, you know, h yep, but something you 1811 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:51.039 could get at a sporting good store. 1812 01:36:52.199 --> 01:36:54.319 I used to have this radio, by the way, did 1813 01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:58.880 you really Yeah it was Yeah, I had it all 1814 01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:00.319 the way until I lived in CHICAO. 1815 01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:04.319 Wow, that's cool man to walk. 1816 01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:06.760 Around with it on my shoulder, you know, walking down 1817 01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:11.119 the street blasting you know, peopling fight the power. Yeah, 1818 01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:21.520 oh yeah, of course, Yeah. 1819 01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:18.520 This is this is great. I mean even at that 1820 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:21.079 that was a cool shot from over the gremlin shoulder 1821 01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:26.600 as he's racing toward him with the chainsaw. Yeah, but 1822 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:30.279 I was I was reading about how much the puppeteers 1823 01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:33.680 were suffering making this movie. Oh interesting, you know, and 1824 01:37:35.239 --> 01:37:39.680 I mean it must have been a nightmare. That's adorable. 1825 01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:42.439 The barbie for our ev well. 1826 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:44.960 And I love that they set this up earlier because 1827 01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:52.479 you have Gizmo watching Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the Clark Gable movie, right, 1828 01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:58.800 Indianapolis Speedway, I think it's called. Yeah, they kind of 1829 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:01.600 they do something similar next one where he's watching Rambo. 1830 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:13.279 Oh yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, it's good, like, yes, 1831 01:38:13.319 --> 01:38:14.880 that's cool, dragged. 1832 01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:20.960 Yeah, you know, this does remind me of a certain 1833 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:22.520 sort of feeling that I'm going to try to put 1834 01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:27.119 into words. But like with Spielberger especially makes me think 1835 01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:30.319 of him where he found that balance. Oh, we talked 1836 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:34.840 about it. I think about with Jurassic Park, where he's introducing, 1837 01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:38.399 if you take away a certain sort of element, it 1838 01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:43.119 is straight horror. But he does keep the horrifying elements 1839 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:47.399 of a dinosaur, you know, chomping a guy off of 1840 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:52.399 a toilet, you know, or or a monster with a 1841 01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:56.119 chainsaw trying to saw a boy. But then he adds 1842 01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:59.600 in a little cute creature and a Barbie Corvette and 1843 01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:02.760 there's like whimsy, you know, like it reminds you you 1844 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:06.119 can laugh. It reminds you you're having fun, right, you 1845 01:39:06.199 --> 01:39:07.960 know what I mean? And I feel like Spielberg was 1846 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:10.880 the master of that. And in in Jurassic Park, you 1847 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:12.800 know where you got the you still got the wise cracks, 1848 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:14.960 you got Jeff Goldblum saying the sort of funny lines 1849 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:17.439 and the whatever. And it's like he allows you to 1850 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:19.920 catch your breath and doesn't just pummel you over the 1851 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:24.239 head with intensity. He's like he gives you intensity more 1852 01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:28.039 than some people might expect, but then he reminds, he 1853 01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:30.600 keeps reminding you you're having fun, and so you get 1854 01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:33.800 to exhale and kind of nervous chuckle to yourself, and 1855 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:37.199 then you walk out with this really rounded out experience 1856 01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:38.840 of horror slash fun. 1857 01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:39.399 Yeah. 1858 01:39:39.399 --> 01:39:41.199 I always thought he was. He was just the master 1859 01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:41.560 of that. 1860 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:47.079 Yeah, it's it's a kind of it's it's it's a 1861 01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:47.960 magic trick, you know. 1862 01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:53.000 Yeah. Yeah, And not everybody has those proper gut instincts. 1863 01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:55.520 They go too far this or too far that. But 1864 01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:58.880 he knows how to ride that line just right. 1865 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:04.119 What's interesting is is when we look at like the 1866 01:40:04.119 --> 01:40:08.840 the the canon of Steven Spielberg presents movies in the eighties. 1867 01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:11.439 So you got this, you get Back to the Future, 1868 01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:22.560 you got uh, Goonies, Poltergeist. It is interesting how well, 1869 01:40:22.600 --> 01:40:24.239 let's put poultry get to the side for one second. 1870 01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:28.119 But like they are, the movies are very distinctly the 1871 01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:31.439 product of their director. Yeah, Like you're not going to 1872 01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:34.920 confuse like this, this has Spielbergian influences, but it's clearly 1873 01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:38.359 a Joe Dante movie, totally same Gouenis, et cetera. And 1874 01:40:38.439 --> 01:40:41.439 I would say Poultrygeist to me does not feel like 1875 01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:43.239 a Spielberg movie. It feels like Toby Hooper. 1876 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:46.920 Yeah, I would say, only in camera work, but yeah, right. 1877 01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:48.920 But it's weird how that one really got pegged as 1878 01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:50.560 no Spielberg goes directed it. 1879 01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:54.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is weird kind of you know, yeah, totally. 1880 01:40:54.279 --> 01:40:58.760 But the tone itself, yes, it feels like yeah, Toby Hooper. 1881 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:02.159 Yeah, and and the man this is probably the goorious 1882 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.920 part of this movie is pretty horrifying when you see 1883 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:09.840 Stripe sort of decompensating over here. But I my point is, 1884 01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:13.800 like I think Spielberg was very good at Yeah, that's 1885 01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:16.279 that's nightmare juice right there. So yeah, yeah, if you're 1886 01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:18.199 a five year old, that ship, that shit gonna stay 1887 01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:23.880 with you. Yeah, but Spielberg was very good at being 1888 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:28.520 the blocker m hmm and sort of keeping the studio 1889 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:32.680 at bay because he was Steven Effing Spielberg and letting 1890 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:34.600 the directors that he had brought on do. 1891 01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:40.600 Their thing, right, you know, yeah, totally. Yeah, I mean, yeah, 1892 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:43.520 I want to be clear, like, I mean, I'm commenting 1893 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:47.720 on that that line that I think Spielberg does so well, 1894 01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:51.560 you know with the horror. Yeah, sorry, I want to 1895 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:53.640 make it clear. I don't think he goes directed this anyway. 1896 01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:55.600 I mean, this is very much a Joe Dante movie. Yeah, 1897 01:41:55.600 --> 01:42:01.359 So I was implying that you were saying that. Sorry, yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah. 1898 01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:03.439 I gotta give Dante his props on this. This is 1899 01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:05.359 clearly a Joe Dante movie, I think. 1900 01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:07.640 I mean, that's that's sort of that was the genius 1901 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:11.199 of Steven Spielberg during this era was he found the 1902 01:42:11.319 --> 01:42:12.680 right people to do these things. 1903 01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:16.600 You know, yeah, his Zamechass and yeah, yeah, his Dante's. 1904 01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:20.880 And that what a great effect when you see the 1905 01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:25.000 the skeleton just kind of just deflate. What a cool 1906 01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:26.279 practical effect, you. 1907 01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:30.039 Know, Yeah, you know, like the bubbling there as it's 1908 01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:33.279 slowly dying. That's great. And this is just and it's 1909 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:35.880 so funny too, because now you can imagine and I'm 1910 01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:37.680 sure it could be fun but you could do a 1911 01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:40.600 lot more. You can make a much bigger climax. But 1912 01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:46.000 there's something so visceral about don't let that thing get 1913 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:49.399 near the fountain, right, and then it does? Oh no, 1914 01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:51.840 you know, and so then what do you do? You 1915 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:53.399 just all they do is they get a shaft of 1916 01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:56.279 light on it. But it's the way that it's executed 1917 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:59.000 at the last second, and it's so thrilling and seeing, 1918 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:02.479 you know, give mo in his car fling up and 1919 01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:04.279 pull the thing. You know, it doesn't have to be 1920 01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:09.000 a huge set piece, right, you know, in scope, it's 1921 01:43:09.079 --> 01:43:19.239 just the tension is perfectly thrilling enough. Yeah, yeah, I 1922 01:43:19.279 --> 01:43:21.359 just missed it. I guess there's that newscast but maybe. 1923 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:24.279 There Yeah, no mention of the fetterman's. 1924 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:26.119 Oh really okay, I had read that somewhere, so I 1925 01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:27.119 can't back that up. 1926 01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:31.159 I mean, it's it's it's not explicitly stated that they 1927 01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:34.079 are dead in the film, That's true. We just see 1928 01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:37.159 the the you know, the snowplow coming at them, and 1929 01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:38.800 then it cuts to outside, so there's. 1930 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.880 Room, you know, you know, we don't see him impaled 1931 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:42.920 or anything, so right. 1932 01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:46.399 Right, right, right, all right, now I want to see 1933 01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:50.079 because he's still talking about Oh yeah, he's still but yeah, 1934 01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:56.479 so this shop keeper let himself in to their home. 1935 01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:59.680 Well it's like how did he know where they lived? Too? 1936 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:03.119 That's a good That is a great point because even 1937 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:03.880 the boy wouldn't know. 1938 01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:05.920 He has mysterious. 1939 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:08.840 Chinese powers, you know, like mister Mayagi's mysterious Japanese powers. 1940 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:15.920 There you go where he can clap his hands. Yeah, yeah, 1941 01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:18.319 but this this is a nice ending. You know, I 1942 01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:21.319 do kind of like that. It's you can imagine a 1943 01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:23.359 version where you're like sad, or you can a test 1944 01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:26.479 audience like, well, I don't want Billy and Gizmo to 1945 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:30.479 be separated, but this feels right. It's like, you can't. 1946 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.800 I told you the rules. You prove you're not responsible. 1947 01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:35.960 So it feels almost like a Twilight Zone episode where 1948 01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:38.119 there's a lesson at the end. You're not ready for 1949 01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:41.039 something like this, so we have to take it away 1950 01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:42.520 from you. 1951 01:44:42.520 --> 01:44:48.000 You know, it'd be funny if he comes in and 1952 01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:50.920 suddenly he's like, you white people ruin everything, and it's 1953 01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:53.479 like it goes in this really weird racial dimension at 1954 01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:53.840 the end. 1955 01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:57.439 Wow, Okay, they took a turn, you know. Yeah, yeah, 1956 01:44:57.439 --> 01:44:59.119 oh I'm really really sorry. 1957 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:04.039 First you drop a bomb on Hiroshima, you know, like 1958 01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:13.880 like what this the little the thing that Gizmo says 1959 01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:18.000 at the end. Yeah, it's really cutest thing ever. 1960 01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:22.840 Yeah, that is nice. So you do even if he 1961 01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:27.800 is being taken away, you know, they truly bonded. Yeah yeah, yeah. 1962 01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:35.479 Bye Billy. Oh so. Quentin Tarantino talked about the time 1963 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:39.439 he met Joe Dante. Oh okay, he was like seventeen 1964 01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:42.399 years old, and he was just writing to movie directors 1965 01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:44.199 because of course Quentin Tentertaino did. 1966 01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:45.760 That right totally, and. 1967 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:50.680 He's like, oh, I'm writing a book about movie directors. 1968 01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:54.399 And so Joe Dante invited him to visit while they 1969 01:45:54.399 --> 01:45:56.079 were making Gremlins. 1970 01:45:56.439 --> 01:45:59.680 Really yeah, So young Tarantino was on this set. 1971 01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:03.680 I think this was this is during post okay, and 1972 01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:07.359 so they were they were showing him. They were showing 1973 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:11.399 Dante the the effects for the sequence coming up where 1974 01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.199 where Key Luke is walking away and it's a matt 1975 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:17.600 you know, it's a processed shot, right, and he's like, oh, yeah, 1976 01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:21.439 come come watch it, you know. And Tarantino talked about 1977 01:46:21.439 --> 01:46:24.359 how you know, they're watching the scene where where the 1978 01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:27.239 grandfather's walking away, and the effects people are like, oh, 1979 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:30.680 if you want, we can add like a shot, like 1980 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:33.239 we can add like Santa and his reindeer to like 1981 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:37.800 the skyline kind of thing, you know. And Joe Dante 1982 01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:41.199 was like, don't tell me stuff like that, because I 1983 01:46:41.279 --> 01:46:46.680 might just think it's a good idea. And and I 1984 01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:48.680 like that story, like right here you would see like 1985 01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:51.840 Santa that you know. Yeah, And I like that story 1986 01:46:51.880 --> 01:46:54.960 because it to me, it puts in context first of all, 1987 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:58.199 like Tarantino just happens to be there when that's like 1988 01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:02.479 quite remarkable, right yeah, yeah, but it contextualizes his sense 1989 01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:06.279 of whimsy totally. Yeah, right, Like he viewed this as 1990 01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:08.000 like a fairy tale, you know, and it's and the 1991 01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:12.840 wrap around of white accidents narration makes this whole thing 1992 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:14.760 like did it even really happen? Maybe it's just a 1993 01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:16.600 tall tale that quite accident told you know. 1994 01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:23.640 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, especially his folksy demeanor or delivery, 1995 01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:25.319 you know, it just sort of it does se Yeah, 1996 01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:27.359 it sound like a like a neighborhood legend. 1997 01:47:27.640 --> 01:47:31.520 Yeah exactly, just like thing about the man who tried 1998 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:33.159 to climb down the chimney. 1999 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:37.560 Yeah exactly, exactly. Yeah, you know that's really funny though, 2000 01:47:37.560 --> 01:47:40.000 you're you're totally right. I love that about Joe Dante. 2001 01:47:40.039 --> 01:47:44.199 Like Peter Cullen too, he was one of the gremlins. Wow, 2002 01:47:45.159 --> 01:47:47.279 Megatron and Optimus Prime, we're both in this. 2003 01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:52.079 It's amazing. They are great though. I like that they 2004 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:56.960 don't necessarily speak. They just kind of repeat words like 2005 01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:57.720 one or two words. 2006 01:47:57.720 --> 01:48:02.520 It feels well, I love yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2007 01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:02.159 I know. 2008 01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:03.159 Sean always does that. 2009 01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:04.640 That's funny. 2010 01:48:04.880 --> 01:48:11.960 Yeah yeah, Gremlins, Brian, Yeah, what a what a fun, 2011 01:48:12.039 --> 01:48:13.439 quaint little classic. 2012 01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:14.640 You know it really is. 2013 01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:18.640 This does not get talked about, you know, right around 2014 01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:22.960 this time of year, events arguing over the proper Christmas 2015 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:24.199 action movie or whatnot. 2016 01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:27.479 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you got your diehards 2017 01:48:27.479 --> 01:48:30.359 and your your lethal weapons. Nobody talks about Gremlins. Well, 2018 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:32.079 and that's that's why we did it. We you know, 2019 01:48:32.159 --> 01:48:35.560 we've got Christmas upon us, the holiday season, and we 2020 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:37.560 thought this would be a fun sort of holiday themed 2021 01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:40.000 movie to put out as our little gift to you. 2022 01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:42.920 And it's a little PSA. Don't try to climb down 2023 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:44.159 the chimney dressed as Santa. 2024 01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.520 It's not worth it, It's right, please. 2025 01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:49.760 It's It's not worth traumatizing your kids. 2026 01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:51.119 Absolutely not. 2027 01:48:54.520 --> 01:48:57.439 But hey, I hope what this also means that we'll 2028 01:48:57.479 --> 01:48:59.159 get to come back and at some point and talk 2029 01:48:59.199 --> 01:48:59.880 through the second one. 2030 01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:02.479 I can't wait, because, like I said, I don't remember 2031 01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:06.079 it very well, and now that I really understand what 2032 01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:09.960 it is, I think I will be on its wavelength. Yeah, 2033 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:11.880 more so than probably when I first saw it. 2034 01:49:12.760 --> 01:49:15.520 Well that's that's a conversation I look forward to having 2035 01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:23.159 at some point. Yeah. Uh, and we mentioned again, we 2036 01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:25.560 mentioned before about Jerry Goldsmith. But but you know, they 2037 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:28.880 have a like the complete score, it's available on Apple Music, 2038 01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:31.359 and so it is fantastic. It's just a really it's 2039 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:33.560 a very good score. It's one of Goldsmith's best. 2040 01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:36.079 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I. 2041 01:49:36.279 --> 01:49:39.640 Think the Gremlins, you know, the Gremlins rag that theme. 2042 01:49:40.079 --> 01:49:43.319 It's it is, at least for me. It's it's very 2043 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:47.119 very distinctive and it's very emblematic of that era for me, 2044 01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:48.520 you know, absolutely. 2045 01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:50.560 You know, and now that I'm looking at the credits 2046 01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:53.520 and the you know, the rights and the songs and whatever, 2047 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:56.159 we didn't really comment on how crazy it is that 2048 01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:59.319 snow White is in this movie. Yeah, right, they had to. 2049 01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:01.680 That's a that they got permission for that. 2050 01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:05.199 Yeah. That feels also like a Spielberg Ye height of 2051 01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:07.680 his Powers sort of thing, you know, because if you're 2052 01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:10.239 making goolies and you want them to watch snow White, 2053 01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:13.039 you can bet that Disney's not going to give that 2054 01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:13.359 to them. 2055 01:50:13.399 --> 01:50:14.479 You know, that's good. 2056 01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:17.119 But here you can get the exact precise gag that 2057 01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:20.359 you want, you know, watching them sing along with the 2058 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:23.479 Seven Dwarves. Because Spielberg says naked, So. 2059 01:50:23.960 --> 01:50:26.600 That's and and when when when back then when he 2060 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:27.520 said it, it happened. 2061 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:29.840 Yeah, that's how we got Roger Rabbit. Just a couple 2062 01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:31.279 of years later, and four years. 2063 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:32.640 Later I forgot about Roger Rabbit. 2064 01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:35.399 Yeah, yeah, where they mix the Warner Brothers and Disney characters, 2065 01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:36.720 because no one else could have pulled that off. 2066 01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:38.479 See Roger Rabbit. That's a good one, right, like, like 2067 01:50:38.560 --> 01:50:41.199 that's that is. Obviously there is a Spielberg influence, but 2068 01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:42.359 it is a mechus through and. 2069 01:50:42.319 --> 01:50:44.199 Through totally, totally. 2070 01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:46.880 Yeah, but hey, let us know your thoughts on gremins. 2071 01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:48.720 You can email us at Movie Film Podcasts at gmail 2072 01:50:48.760 --> 01:50:50.239 dot com. You know, also hit like on our Facebook 2073 01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:52.600 page Facebook dot com slash movie Film Podcast. 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Yeah, when we were recording this, the Superman 2083 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:26.439 James Gunn trailer just dropped this past week, and we thought, well, 2084 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:28.800 we were going to talk about it anyway, just as friends. 2085 01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:30.800 Why not make like an extra little recording and have 2086 01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:35.279 that be a bonus feature available exclusively for Patreon subscribers. 2087 01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:38.159 So I we enjoy doing that, and I can definitely 2088 01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:39.880 see us doing more things like that in the future. 2089 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:41.520 I would expect more. 2090 01:51:41.600 --> 01:51:41.800 Yeah. 2091 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:43.760 As for me, if you're looking for you online, you 2092 01:51:43.760 --> 01:51:46.199 can find me on social media at Zaki's Corner. That's 2093 01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:49.520 the Akis Corner. Brian's also got his stuff going on. 2094 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:53.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals 2095 01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:56.680 and Young Jedi Adventures are available on Disney Plus. 2096 01:51:57.159 --> 01:51:59.319 There we go with that. On behalf of my partner 2097 01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:00.239 Brian Home. My name is Zachi. 2098 01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:01.680 You sound this has been our movie from a commentary 2099 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:02.520 track for Gremlins. 2100 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:03.319 We'll catch you next time. 2101 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:03.880 Thanks folks,