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Speaker 1: Welcome to political beatdown. I'm been my cellas, joined by

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Michael Cohen. We've got a lot to discuss. Whether it's

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Giuliani declaring bankruptcy, the Colorado Supreme Court issuing in order

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disqualifying Donald Trump from the ballot. There special counsel Jack

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Smith firing back to the United States Supreme Court after

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Donald Trump very unsurprisingly said haste makes waste and asks

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for delay on the issue of absolute presidential immunity. We'll

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get to all of that, but first let's just start off.

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Michael Cohen.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really checked.

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Speaker 1: In on all of the developments in your various legal

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cases and what's going on with you, So I figure,

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what's going on in the world of Michael Cohen. Can

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we break any news right here at the beginning of

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this political beatdown.

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Speaker 2: Well, something that really is not being discussed too much

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at the present moment is the motion to quash. There

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were seven different, I mean buckets of material that they

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wanted overbroad, nonsensical like, for example, they wanted all of

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my tax returns. Could you imagine this is for Donald

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Trump's defense in the Manhattan District Attorney case. Get a

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load of this. He wants all of my tax returns

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from like twenty seventeen on. Hey, if you want to

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ask me, have I paid all my taxes? Yes? Have

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you You want to ask me where they paid on

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time without extension, as I have always done, except in

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twenty seventeen when this shit came down. Yes, right, But

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he wants copies of my tax returns. This is the

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same guy who went to the Supreme Court in order

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to stop anyone from seeing his tax returns. I just

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find it comical. But they basically knocked out four of those,

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and they limited drastically the items on the remaining three

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in terms of what I have to give. The funniest

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thing is to two of the three, all the information

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is either in their possession or already readily available on

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the Internet, like all of the checks to Stormy Daniels.

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So from the Stormy Daniels payment. So not worried about that.

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Other than that, you know, there's obviously you know, prep

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will eventually start soon in the Manhattan District Attorney's case,

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especially if it's determined that the January sixth, the Tanya

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Chutkin case ends up being delayed because of the appeal

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that Donald Trump has filed there, and then right now

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it's kind of just status quo on everything else. I

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have a request in for early termination of supervised release.

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A couple of things got a little fucked up there.

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I mean, I think personally this whole thing has gotten

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completely out of control over a mistake in citation. But

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we'll see what the judge you know, does or says

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about that. But you know, right now, life is kind

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of like for everybody because we're getting close to the holidays,

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everybody disappears, everybody is quiet. Businesses are shut down. People

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is saying, you know what, it's been such a rough year.

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I'm gonna take an extra bunch of days, and I'm

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going to instead of spending say ten days New Year's

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through the holidays, I'm gonna take like twenty days. And

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so everything right now is for the most part shut down.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're not shut down here on the Mitus touch

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and now where we are down here on the political beatdown.

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And look, we're gonna keep giving you updates because the

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news does not stop just because there are the holidays,

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especially when it comes to all of the cases involving

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Donald Trump, the criminal cases, the civil cases, and you know,

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a lot of this is Donald Trump's own making the chaos,

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but you know, specifically not just the underlying crimes he committed,

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but then doing everything in his power to try to

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delay these proceedings. And Michael Cohen, if there was ultimately

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an immunity that you believe existed that one hundred percent

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vindicates you, or even fifty percent vindicates you, or you

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would call it a slam dunk immunity, you would be

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doing anything in your power to get that immunity claim

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heard as soon as you can. And Donald Trump's lawyers

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at the very beginning when these indictments started dropping. You

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take a look at the Washington DC indictment. You look

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at what John Laura was saying, You look at what

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Alina Haba was saying. They said, we have a one

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one hundred percent absolute presidential immune the defense right here.

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We look forward to asserting it. So this past week,

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Alina Habba also said we want the Supreme Court to

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hear the absolute presidential immunity. We played it here on

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Political Beatdown and was specifically what she said, Well, and

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this is what you and I said too on the

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last show. We know that when Donald Trump's brief would

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be due December twentieth, He's going to argue for delay

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that the Supreme Court should not hear the issue of

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absolute presidential immunity, where Special Counsel Jack Smith is asking

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that they hear. Sure enough, Donald Trump, through his lawyers say,

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quote haste makes waste and just so everybody knows, the

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Supreme Court composition is six right wing justices, three of

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whom Donald Trump appointed and three justices appointed by Democratic administrations.

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So Donald Trump would have an ability if he says

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we want new Supreme Court to hear sir shiori, which

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means oral argument, to have a six to three court

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three of the justices whom he appointed. The other three

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are Alito, Roberts, and Thomas, who, in many ways other

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than Roberts, are more right wing than even the justices

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who he appointed rule on the issue of absolute presidential immunity.

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Yet Donald Trump's brief says, no, we want to wait

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for the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. It's just like

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you don't need to know anything other than even that

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in terms of like how cowardly he is and how

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he feels about these issues. So you called it Cohen,

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But there he did defile the yat but you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say something else that I think every

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one of the brigaders here are thinking as I am.

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Could you imagine Ben And when you give the analysis,

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you're you're so spot on, You're like the professor right

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that you know that you are the law school professor.

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Everything becomes detailed and you specifically walk through each and

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every inch of the you know, of the tape measure.

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I have a little bit of a different issue here,

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the fact that you have to remind us that Donald

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Trump appointed three of these Supreme Court members, one right

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the you know by obviously by by Joe Biden and

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you know, and then the other three who are far

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more right wing than even the three that Trump appointed,

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et cetera. The way I see it, the Supreme Court's

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not supposed to be partisan. They're supposed to look at

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the issue not in partisan with partisan eyes, but rather

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they're supposed to be looking at this in how does

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this impact America? How does it impact American lives? All

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predicated on the Constitution of the United States of America.

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Anything shy of that makes them partisan and they should

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not be on the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter that

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Donald Trump now look they can have their opinion on something,

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and everybody has an opinion. However, you need to put

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that opinion aside and you need to base what your

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decision is going to be again in the eyes of

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how the forefathers of this country, while drafting the Constitution

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would have looked at it, and if of course, because

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we have so many new issues that they never could

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have possibly contemplated, like, for example, a weapon of mass

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destruction in ar you know, fifteen in the hands of

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anybody that wants one, that doesn't just kill you, but

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it basically annihilates your body. It is a weapon of

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war the hands of people, or fully automatic bump stocks,

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so what have you. They should be looking at this

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again societal benefit with an underlying belief that this is

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what the framers would have wanted, predicated on the Constitution

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and the fact that we don't see it that way

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or the way that the news is describing and discussing this.

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I think it's a very very sad commentary on all

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Speaker 1: I think it is as well. And you think about

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just so everybody knows the court right the six right

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wing Supreme Court justices, you had Clarence Thomas, George HW.

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Bush appoint You've got Alito, a George W. Bush appoint

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those are three, and Roberts is considered a little more moderate,

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right wing, traditional Republican. Alito very far out there. And

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then in terms of the Trump appoint to Justice, you've

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got Kavanaugh, You've got Gorsich, and then you've got Amy

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Coney Barrett and so that's your six right there. And

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then you're very democratic appointment. You've got Kaitanji Brown Jackson,

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Biden so To Mayor and Kagan.

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Speaker 2: So To.

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Speaker 1: Mayor and Kagan were Obama appointees, and that's currently the

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composition of the court. So if you're Donald Trump, though,

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and you believe you're going to if you have an

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absolute presidential immunity defense, you go, let's get that there

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as quick as we can be. I want to prove

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to everybody how how right I am. And you have

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a court that's stacked in theory to be beneficial to you.

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Speaker 2: But I already, though it goes back to what I

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just said, we shouldn't even be discussing the fact that

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you know, he appointed three and then there were three

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from you know from Bush that should be irrelevant. It

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should be because this is a precedented case. We've never

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had anything like this. Is chances are God willing, when

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he loses in twenty twenty four, will never have an

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issue like this ever again. But that's the part that

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they have to take into consideration.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, all right, So that's what's

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going So also, Special Counsel Jack Smith fired back, he said,

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what are we talking about? This is something the Supreme

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Court can clearly here on a direct appeal. Even if

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the DC Circuit Court of Appeals has set expedited briefing

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where oral argument will be held January ninth before the

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DC Circuit on the issue of absolute presidential immunity, all

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briefing will be done by January second. Special Counsel Jack

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Smith is saying, look, Supreme Court, this is an issue

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of serious constitutional import seems that Trump would agree with that.

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So why are we wasting time here? Oh, it's because

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Trump wants to delay, delay and delay everything. And by

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the way, we see that in the Southern District of

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Florida as well, where Judge Eileen Cannon has set this

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May twenty, twenty twenty four trial date nobody believes that

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that's a real trial date because she has not set

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the deadlines that you would need to set in a

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classified information case like a SEPA Section five deadline, which

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involves the defendant's disclosure of classified documents. They want to

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use that trial. So Special Counsel Jack Smith's been doing

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things like he filed this week a motion for putting

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out the jury questionnaire. So, okay, if there's a trial

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in May, get the jury questionnaire process started, that has

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to happen at a certain date. What does Donald Trump

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do today? Files an opposition to the motion to put

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out the jury questionnaire and then says that and says

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to Judge Cannon that Judge Cannon should admonish Special Counsel

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jack Smith's team about filing other documents other then that

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what's within her schedule order. But Jack Smith did that

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on purpose. He wants to smoke out the delay tactics

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because Jack Smith wants that DC case to go first,

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and he's trying to basically show that it's all a

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ruse in the Southern District of Florida.

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Speaker 2: Look, he doesn't have to smoke it out. He should

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just call me on my cell phone and I'll tell

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him exactly how Trump will end up looking to delay it.

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You know, the problem that you have when it comes

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to these delay tactics is they don't work right eventually.

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And again, you take somebody like Jack Smith, if you

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take somebody like Michael Cohen, with the help of Donia

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Perry and my other attorney there, Ben Brodsky in Florida,

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think about what was going on here. The guy is

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suing me in the Southern District of Miami for five

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hundred million dollars. You, my brigaders all know what I'm

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referring to. So he sues me for five hundred million,

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and we turn around and we automatically file the request

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for his deposition, right because discovery is obviously needed in

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order to lay my defense. Well he's okay, shoulders up,

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chest out, big fucking belly out too, the whole nine yards,

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diapers on, and I'm ready to rock and roll. So

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now he goes ahead, and you know he plays tough guy. Yeah,

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wait till we get him. Of course, I'm going to

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be deposed and so on. And then they delay it. Okay,

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we give it its proper time three four five days

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as the court required. Then you go ahead, you file

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your papers, and then of course they file, oh, you know,

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opposition papers that he can't. He has X, Y and

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Z going on. And the judge says, you know what,

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date that you're going to be deposed, come hell or

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high water. And then what happens He drops the case.

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Donald will be a tough guy up until the point

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that the shit is on his doorstep. And right now

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with Jackson Smith, he knows exactly how to play this game.

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He knows he didn't play in this game a whole

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lot longer and a whole lot better than Habba, than

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Chris Kies than you know, uh, you know, Cliff Robert

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or any of the other D team lawyers that Donald

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currently has working on this. So they'll play their initial

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games and yeah, they'll get away with the delay. Then

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you could get away with that delay, so could any

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of the brigaders. Anybody who would go ahead and file

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that motion, would would get, you know, exactly the same

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thing that Donald is getting no special attention there. What

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will ultimately happens. Jack Smith will do as a good

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lawyer will. He will push the case, and he will

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push the issue further and further until ultimately there's a decision.

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Will it be a month, probably more, Will it be

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two months? Yeah, you know more than that two I'm

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sure three months, four months, Yeah, that sounds right. And

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the next thing what happens now Trump is in panic mode.

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He's in total panic mode. We see that time and

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time again. You see in Donald's mind when you have

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an issue that's scheduled for four months, five months, six

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months from now, for him, that's eternity. Why because he

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has so many issues right now, tomorrow, the day after,

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next week, next month, that take precedent because it's happening

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much sooner. He's not even thinking about what's four or

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five six months down the road. He's thinking what's coming

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on Monday and next Thursday and next Friday. That's what

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he's thinking about.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been born with the golden spoon in

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his mouth. His whole life. He's been able to use

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his resources to just delay, delay everything and then declare bankruptcies,

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screw over people. And you think about the kind of

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decision matrix. Although I don't even want to use a

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big vocabulary when referring to anything Donald Trump does, but

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we'll call it a decision matrix to how he goes

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about litigation, which kind of follows a pattern of like

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denial and attack and then delay, delay, delay and then attack.

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You know somebody else, blame somebody else. Inevitably, when a

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bad outcome happens for Trump, then he tries to shift

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the blame to somebody else and then have his followers

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get angry at someone. Right, But you think about that

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same framework is kind of how he does everything in life,

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not just kind of litigation. You apply that same decision

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making matrix to something like COVID for example, or something

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like you know that anything it is, and it's basically

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deny the situation, delay it, act like nothing is happening,

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and then when whatever it is happens, blame somebody for it.

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if you addressed it responsibly from the outset and confronted

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the situation, that's what leadership is about, like actually dealing

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with it. I know that's difficult to do, but dealing

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with it. And now that Donald Trump has come face

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to face with the judiciary and a team of lawyers

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and prosecutors, across the country who have studied and know

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his tactics and pushed back against it. He's losing his

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mind even more than ever. I don't know if you

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saw this Cohen. This is him in Waterloo, Iowa. And

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we put together some of the things that he's just

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been saying, and well, let's play the clip, and then

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I want to get your reaction to it. Let's play it.

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Speaker 3: The only reason I corrected is they'll say he didn't

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know his name. He didn't know his name, he must

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be cognate Deville. Don't forget I do most of this

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stuff without teleprompter.

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Speaker 4: Is they do biden real drill.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy what's going on. They're ruining our country. And

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it's true. They're destroying the blood of our country. That's

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what they're doing. They're destroying our country.

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Speaker 2: They don't like it.

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Speaker 3: When I said that, and I never read mine kompf,

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they said, oh, Hitler said that in a much different way.

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You now, they're coming from all over the world, people

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all over the world. We have no idea. They could

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be healthy, they could be very unhealthy. They could bring

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in disease. It's going to catch on in our country.

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But they do bring in crime, but they have them

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coming from all over the world. And I heard somebody

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today say, one of these genius analysts, the stock market's good.

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Rich get richer. But the stock market's good because they

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think Trump is going to win the election.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that's true.

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Speaker 3: And whatever good they have right now is the fumes

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of what we left them. It's coming off the fumes

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of what we've left them. But the stock market is

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good because a lot of people think we're going to

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win the election. So that's an interesting, an interesting fact.

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I felt that, but I didn't want to say it,

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but I think we will say it. Well, the stock

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market is making rich people richer, Ben, And I mean,

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it's crazy what's going on. Rich people are getting richer.

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Of course I'm a politician now, so we just keep

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chugging along, right, But it's making but you're going to

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have a crash the likes of which you haven't seen

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because of what they're doing. It's going to be scary.

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine, Michael, if it's don't get your reaction

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to it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not doing the same thing that

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I'm shaking yet. So it's amazing when the stock market

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wasn't doing well. He's out there saying it's because of

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Joe Biden. It's because of Bidenomics. Everything is falling apart.

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When I was the president, the stock mar there's going

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like this, like this to the moon. It was it

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was straight up. It was like an arrow, straight up.

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I mean, those are his words. And okay, things corrected,

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Things corrected as a result of Bynomics. And now the

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stock market is at an all time high. Right. By

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the way, oil drilling in the United States that's another

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all time high too. Unemployment that's the opposite, that's an

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all time low. I mean, it's amazing. He takes credit

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where credit is not, of course due. He says things

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that are completely made up. Right. The stock market is

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right now on fire because people think that Donald Trump

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is going to be the president. Talk about a narcissistic sociopath,

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a complete mental breakdown of a human being sitting the

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fact that you could even think yes. And by the way, Donald,

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here's something else I want you to use in your

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next rally that looks more like a clan meeting than

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anything else. Ready for this one, Donald, The sun rose

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today because you awoke and because you're ready for sleepy. Right,

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you put on your depends, you put your diapers over it, right,

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you put your you put your pajamas onto it. You

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got your little pacifier in the mouth. And because you

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Donald are ready to go, Betty by the moon, the

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moon and the sunset, and the moon came out. So

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all thanks to you. Right, the sun rises, right, the

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sun sets, the moon rises, the moon sets to the

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same extent that you rise and you set each and

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every day. So on behalf of everyone in the world.

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We all want to thank you. And this is only

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happening because you, right are leading the GOP nomination, and that,

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in your opinion, that you're probably going to be the

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forty seventh president of the United States and the dictator

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of America forever and ever. I just want you to

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use that in your next rally, you idiot.

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Speaker 1: Know, as I talk about the twenty twenty four election,

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I've described it as democracy over dictatorship, normalcy over chaos,

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and that that's what's on the ballot. But I think

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there's some deeper and perhaps slightly more kind of intellectual

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framing that's not necessarily meant for like a slogan, but

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I think it's just an important thing. And that's the

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following that President Biden and the Democratic Party is guided

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by a set of principles and a clear set of

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principles when it comes to the economy, that it's bottom up,

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middle out, that it's focus on the workers. When it

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comes to their view on healthcare and how to lower

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prescription drug prices. You know where they stand when it

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comes to social security. You know where Democrat at stand

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when it comes to unions. You know where Democrats stand

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when and President Biden, you know where they stand when

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it comes to jobs and having wages with dignity not

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just a living wage. You know where Democrats stand on

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the issue of education. You know where President Biden stands.

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They're guided by a set of principles. And there was

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once a time where the Republican Party was guided at

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least by some set of principles where we could have

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a discussion and debate those where they would say, here's

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our approach to the economy, here's why we think that

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you need to privatize everything. Here's why we're focusing on

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these groups of people. Here's why we're you know, you know,

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doing this. But there is no principles anymore like when

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you watch what Donald Trump is just it's just spewing,

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you know, word salad or word vomit of of whatever

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his insecurities are, the malignant narcissism. He wears his pathology

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on his sleeve and just spews it at these eight

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rallies that you want, what the heck are we even

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watching right there? I want to still talk a little

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bit and more what happened in Waterloop, but then I

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which is in Iowa, and then I want to talk

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a little bit about as well, Juliani's declaring bankruptcy. I

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want to talk about this Colorado Supreme Court decision disqualifying

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Donald Trump, and Trump's response by posting photographs of these

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justices with their names and addresses, and the whole Maga

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army attacking these Colorado Supreme Court justices. I mean, that's

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where we're at in this country. It's just a fascist movement.

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They just threaten everybody. We'll talk about all of that

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and more when we come back from this quick break.

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Speaker 1: We're back right now on political beat Down before betting.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Yeah, before getting you something. I want to

481
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turn around. There's somebody who I think needs to actually

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be acknowledged with the two thumbs up, not the two fingers.

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The tooth thumbs up comes up for this one too.

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We're gonna do both. Robert de Niro. I don't know

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if people saw what was going on, obviously the feud

486
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between to Niro and Trump, because to Niro, like you

487
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and me, Ben, like the Brigaders, we see him with

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clear with with eyes, we listen to the words he says,

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we see what he is doing. And I just want

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to say, you know, he had this interview with Rolling

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Stones magazine, and this basically sums up everything that we

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just spent the last twenty minutes talking about here's Robert

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De Niro's words, and I'm a huge De Niro fan.

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He says, all I know is this Trump brings out

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the worst in people. He is a monster. I didn't

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think that in the beginning when he was first elected.

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I thought maybe he'll straighten out. Now this guy is

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beyond dangerous, and I just hope people can realize it.

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Once you go down that road, it won't be easy

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to come back. I was just at the White House

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for the Kennedy Center Honors with Billy Crystal, and I

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got emotional. The bands were playing Christmas songs and it

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was so upbeat, and I thought, this is what it

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has to be, Like, what's going on with this Trump stuff?

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This is crazy. This is Robert De Niro at his best,

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and we're talking about, Hey, I don't even know how

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many times he's won how many different awards. This is

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Robert de Niro saying legitimately everything that we're saying. How

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many times when people had asked me, how could you

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have worked for the guy right for so long? So

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I tried to make the I tried to distinguish the

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fact that when I worked for him. It was the

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real estate entertainment company. As opposed to as president. It

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was a very different scenario. But we all said the

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same thing. When he became president elect, we all expected,

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we all hoped that he would rise rise to the

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level the position of the president of the United States,

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to the office of the presidency rise instead of debasing

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it into this maggot dumpster of dog shit. And that's

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what he's done. And you know the bad part, He's

521
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taken so many people into that dumpster with them. That's

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why we're seeing the things that we're seeing today. It's

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why the polls are looking in certain respects. And you know,

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I don't have a lot of faith or confidence in

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these polls. I think they're all bullshit. But the reason

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that there is as many supporters as there are because

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they're all in the same dumpster with Donald.

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Speaker 1: By the way, again, I don't like talking about polls either,

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but when the polls are favorable to President Biden, and

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there actually are a lot of polls favorable, especially when

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you get into the likely voters, but there are a

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lot of very favorable Biden polls. Legacy media never talks

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about though. And then when there's a negative poll about

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Donald Trump, it's somehow framed as the number being somehow

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helpful towards Donald Trump. And that's what I said too

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about this Colorado Supreme Court disqualification decision. I was like, look,

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spare me the takes about how the Colorado Supreme Court

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issuing a law and order ruling is so beneficial to

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Donald Trump, and that that's hurts President Biden. You know,

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I'm sick and tired of all of these really just

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dumb takes that that's the instinct of the media every

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single time.

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Speaker 2: You know, really why political beatdown in all of the

544
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like like Maya Kulpa and all of the other podcasts

545
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,519
and news. You know, podcasts on my Just Touched network

546
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,440
are thriving the way because we don't play that legacy

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00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,160
needia game where what they're looking to do is they're

548
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,559
looking to create a new story in order to keep

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your eyeballs on to their station because it generates more

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revenue for them. So let me be clear about something.

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The other day when Trump was talking, and I think

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it was at Waterloo also, he talked about things that

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he was going to do. He was going to stop

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all immigration, he was going to stop relations with What

555
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did he say? South America? He said Asia, he said Africa.

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Now I said this on Katie Fang last night, who

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was sitting in for Ari Melbourne. I want you to

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stop for a second and remember Donald Trump just doesn't

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say shit willy nilly. He says things because that's how

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he feels, it's what's on his mind. Let's break this down, Africa,

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black people. When you talk about Asia, right, Asians, you're

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talking about South American Latinos and Hispanics. So when I

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see a poll that shows me that Blacks, Hispanics, Latinos

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Asians are now siding with Donald Trump, I called bullshit.

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I call bullshit to the nth degree, because why in

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the world would you now want a person in office

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who is fundamentally against your entire entire person, your entire race, religion, creed, color.

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It is absolutely nonsensical and it's why I even said

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I didn't call it out on bullshit yesterday, you know,

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with Katie, but I called it out for being nonsensical.

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And the fact that legacy media right now are promoting

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these five hundred person polls that they already know the

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answer to before the poll even starts right, Like, first

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of all, who's picking up their phone? First of all,

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who the fuck even has the phone today? Right? Yeah,

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your cell phone, But I'm not even sure that they're

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allowed to call you on your cell phone for these polls.

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The whole thing is a bunch of bullshit. You would

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do better, You and I Ben would do better in

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a poll, and maybe we should do one, all right,

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Mike's Touch poll will do one political beatdown poll asking

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who would do you? Who will you vote for in

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twenty twenty four And here's the difference. You will get

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an entire range of people, millions of people answering a

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poll in twenty four hours. You could set the duration

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for twenty four hours. You will know exactly percentage wise

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where the country stands based upon that poll, better than

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this bullshit that legacy media is spouting.

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Speaker 1: Note, look, if you go back to Obama Romney at

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the same time, according to the media polls Romney, you

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know Romney led. Anyway, I don't want to go get

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caught up in the polls. Let's talk about the the

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Colorado Supreme Court decision. Let's talk about it first from

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the framework of what Donald Trump's been posting today. Donald

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Trump's been writing, I'm not an insurrectionist, peacefully patriotically crooked

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Joe Biden is. Donald Trump writes, Biden should drop all

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of these fake political indictments against me, both criminal and civil.

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Every case I am fighting is the work of the

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DOJ in White House. No such thing has ever happened

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in our country before Banana Republic election interference like all

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in caps, just like a total maniac. And the very

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fact that he thinks that President Biden has that power

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over the DOJ and state prosecutions, which Biden does not,

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should tell you everything about what Donald Trump in correctly

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and dictatorially views the role of the presidency. Donald Trump goes,

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crooked Joe Biden is a threat to democracy, and then

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he starts posting the photos of the four Colorado Supreme

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Court justices who ruled against him in the three decision

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ordering that he'd be disqualified, and he reposts their pictures

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with statements like communist thug democrats dressed up as justices

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in Colorado, where's the crime? A group of kangaroo legal

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justice system thugs? And then shows their photo and says

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Colorado Democrat activist judges election interference. Look Donald Trump's receiving

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his due process right. This case went before a trial judge,

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it went before the Colorado Supreme Court, and it will

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go before the United States Supreme Court. It will go

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at every level on this issue of the Fourteenth Amendment

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Section three. Fourteenth Amendment Section three is very clear in

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what it says, those who aid in an insurrection or

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who support the insurrection are ineligible to hold office.

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Speaker 2: You know. And I had this with Kati yesterday. There's

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so many the pundits on legacy, and everybody has an

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opinion right on you know, what's going to happen, what

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should happen, you know, And so I'll be very honest

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with you, I'd rather beat the shit out of him

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at the polls in that way. You know, these maggots,

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these folks that I always say have fourteenth and three

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brain cells that they cannot start running through the streets

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screaming Trump won, Trump would have won, Trump should have won.

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Now let's beat this shit out of him at the polls.

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This is so unprecedented. First of all, I don't think

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that the Supreme Court is going to have a decision

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on this at least until the election. Anyway. That's just

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my opinion, and you know, I don't like the courts

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making a determination who is going to be president of

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the United States under any circumstances. But Ben, you know

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what I love the most about this political beatdown. I

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love the fact that you and I we disagree on things,

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but we are so on other issues. So in touch,

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salty if you have it. When you were talking about

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right there, when you were talking about where Biden should

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drop all of these fake look at what I had done.

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I had posted this. This was like at three o'clock

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in the morning when I saw it and when I

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usually get up. How can you the former president, be

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so out of touch with how the system works. A

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potus does not have the ability to start or stop indictments,

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state or federal. If you want to understand this, I

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discussed this on my mea Culpa podcasts, Blue Icon Background

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Facts Matter. I mean, how funny is that with saying

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the exact stay He has no clue how anything runs.

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He doesn't understand how the Justice Department runs. He doesn't

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understand the Constitution and what it stands for. He doesn't

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understand anything other than what he wants, and always what

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he wants has to be a benefit to him, No one.

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Speaker 1: Cohen. Question one, do you believe that January sixth was

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an insurrection?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Question two percent.

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Speaker 1: Question two, do you believe that Donald Trump supported, aid

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it or abetted that insurrection?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I think he he aided it and

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he abetted it.

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Speaker 1: Question three, do you believe that Donald Trump, when he

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held the office of the presidency was an officer? Do

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you believe the United States Presidency is an office within

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the United States government?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And do you believe that those who draft the Constitution

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meant the words that they said? We should apply the

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common sense meaning to words in the constitution.

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Speaker 2: See, this is where I have an issue. I don't

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know what the drafters of the Constitution were thinking and

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the entire repretation of it where I think that we

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find ourselves in some sort of a different situation. Here

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is again, whether or not it requires somebody to be

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convicted of incitement, you know, or Article three of the

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fourteenth Amendment insurrection or is it that you can just

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make the claim that there's somebody that was involved in

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an insurrection. You See, while I agree with you one

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hundred percent, he incited it, he engaged in it, he

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promoted it. The part I don't know is whether or

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not the frames of the Constitution referring to somebody being

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actually charged with it, or is it just somebody saying it?

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Because there are people, many people in this country, the

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maggots as an example that will turn on tell you.

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I don't think Donald Trump incited it, nor do I

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consider it to be an insurrection. So whose opinion in

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this specific case matters? That's why I say this is

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a very very novel issue, one that has never been discussed,

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talked about, never should have been. Where you have a

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president that is actually being accused of such a crime,

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such an act, I show it out of him at

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the polls, more so than to have a Supreme Court

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make a determination.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but this is only a controversial issue now. I

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think because the Maga Republicans have rallied around the insurrection.

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I think in a normal time you'd have Republicans and

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Democrats all say what happened on January sixth was a disgrace,

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was an insurrection, and we would all just apply a

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common sense meeting, and the Republicans would not be all

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in on saying this was a peaceful day and what

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a great day it was for our nation's history. That's

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where the Republican Party has taken over by mag is.

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So now it becomes this issue. So now it becomes

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an issue about whether it's self enforcing, because they want

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the lead insurrectionists to run the show. But I mean,

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just to me, Michael Cohen, you know, and as most

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constitutional scholars interpret it, that it's a self enforcing statute,

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because if the framers wanted to use something like you

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have to be convicted, they would say, there's language where

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they talk about convictions in the Constitution, and here it

712
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,039
doesn't say any of that. And here it basically says

713
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if you engage an insurrection, you're disqualified. So the question

714
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,679
of who decides it, well, a court decides it. The

715
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,800
Secretary of State decides at first, then the court hears

716
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,280
the challenge, then it goes to the state's highest court,

717
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,920
and then it goes to me to the Supreme Court.

718
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,360
But to me, it's not on the constitutional framers about

719
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,239
why this is controversial. To me, it's because one of

720
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,400
our two major political parties said we're all in on

721
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,599
fascism and we're all in on the insurrectionists now claim

722
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:05,159
the insurrection is some credible political speech, which it's not.

723
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,079
And that goal, the.

724
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Speaker 2: Goal is to retain power, plain and simple. And I

725
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:14,760
told everybody at that House Oversight Committee hearing, my biggest

726
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,119
fear is in twenty twenty, if Donald Trump loses the election,

727
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,840
there will never be a peaceful transfer of power. And

728
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,000
it's so funny how the Republicans have this idea on

729
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,800
peaceful transfer of power. I mean, they didn't say a

730
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:35,360
word when al Gore turned around and capitulated to Bush

731
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:39,639
Right and so on. He didn't fighted, he capitulated, He

732
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:45,840
congratulated him. He did the honorable thing. Trump got his

733
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:50,400
ass handed to him in the past election. And instead

734
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:57,320
of owning your loss, instead of congratulating, congratulating Joe Biden, well,

735
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,960
how could he congratulate Joe Biden. Joe Biden's a loose

736
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,320
He's a winner, you know. And so now the next

737
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:09,679
four years, the big lie just keeps promoting and being regurgitated.

738
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,079
Nobody trusts the system government, nobody trusts polling, Nobody trusts

739
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,360
the poll machines. You got space lasers changing you know,

740
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,280
the votes, and so on, the the just the nonsense

741
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,599
that's coming out of this GOP. And yet people are

742
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,039
still funding them. They're still supporting them. This is the

743
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,840
part that I scratch my head and I just say

744
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,599
I don't get it.

745
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: Well, look, you know, you know these mean posts by

746
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,480
Donald Trump, the threatening posts against the Colorado Supreme Court justices,

747
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:48,840
for example, when he attacks these maga Republicans in the

748
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,480
House of Representatives. They care about their jobs in the

749
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360
House so much, and they believe they've bought into the

750
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,440
lie that Donald Trump is their path to power, when

751
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:01,679
in fact, Donald Trump has just demonstrated other than the

752
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:06,679
twenty sixteen election, he's which he lost the popular vote,

753
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,119
He loses every he's he's a loser. Yet they buy

754
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,960
into this propaganda that he's a winner, and they therefore

755
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:18,440
actually seed the power that they could truly have. Like

756
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,679
Kevin McCarthy, if he stood up to Trump, actually could

757
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,800
have been the most powerful Speaker of the House in

758
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,000
American history. Cut Deals been remembered as a as a hero,

759
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,960
but now he's remembered as a zero because of Donald Trump.

760
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: And that been you know who else, You know who

761
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,280
else fits that exact same mold. Rudy Kaludi, Drunken Juliani,

762
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:45,320
the guy who is considered to be America's mayor, the

763
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,840
guy that cleaned up the New York City, right, the

764
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,760
guy who is a former Southern District of New York,

765
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,079
right head of the criminal division, you know, took care

766
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:59,440
of the mafia. Right, this guy who had Giuliani partners

767
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,280
that made over one hundred million dollars in terms of

768
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:09,159
contracts worldwide. This idiot and a half, right, goes ahead

769
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,880
and he follows Trump right where I told you, right

770
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,639
to the fucking dumpster of Donald And look at him now,

771
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,519
and look today, the laughing stock of the world, with

772
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,320
the shit pouring down the side of his face in

773
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,440
the four seasons landscaping parking lot outside of a morgue

774
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,800
and a you know, in a porn shop.

775
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:37,679
Speaker 1: And declaring Chapter eleven bankruptcy today. And here's a statement

776
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,760
by I guess someone who refers to himself as a

777
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,320
political advisor to Rudy Giuliani. I'm not even sure how

778
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,679
you become an advisor if you don't get paid, but anyway,

779
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,039
it says the filing should be a surprise to no one.

780
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,719
Referring to the bankruptcy, no person could have reasonably believed

781
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,840
that Mayor Rudy Giuliani would be able to pay such

782
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,199
a high punitive damage amount Chapter eleven for Giuliani the

783
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,320
opportunity in time to pursue an appeal while providing transparency

784
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,920
for his finances under the supervision of the bankruptcy court

785
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,880
to ensure all creditors are treated equally and fairly throughout

786
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,320
the process. And that's from Ted Goodman. The only thing

787
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,519
I really read in there is delay. Delay. But even

788
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,280
a statement like this is filled with kind of like

789
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:26,639
so many lies. It goes no one, no person reasonably

790
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,639
could have believed that Giuliani would be able to pay

791
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,480
such a high punitive damage amount. Let's be clear, the

792
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,360
punitive damage amount was basically equal to the compensatory damage amount,

793
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,800
So you know, even though that was seventy five million

794
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,039
dollars when you add up the two twenty million dollars,

795
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:44,480
the two sixteen million dollar economic damages and two twenty

796
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,679
million dollar emotional distress damages, so he was able to

797
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,559
be you're saying he was able to pay the other

798
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,320
seventy million dollars. You know. Again, it's like, why why

799
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,760
e imposture this way? And then it goes on to

800
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,760
say that he'll pursue an appeal while the bankruptcy court

801
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,480
provides transparence for his finances. Look, folks, this is a

802
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:08,760
non dischargeable debt. It is an intentional tortue. There is

803
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,960
in bankruptcy a process called an adversarial proceeding where Giuliani

804
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:18,199
will list his assets and he'll list his debts. He

805
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,280
listed five hundred up to five hundred million dollars in

806
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,559
debts up to ten million dollars in assets. The next

807
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:28,159
thing that Shane Maws and Ruby Freeman will file is

808
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:33,480
a petition for an adversary proceeding to separate their claims

809
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,079
from dischargeable debt. A court will look at it. It'll

810
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,039
be easy to find because there was a finding that

811
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:44,119
Giuliani acted with malice and fraud and intent, which is

812
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:47,360
non dischargeable under the bankruptcy Code. So then it'll just

813
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,599
go to this adversarial proceeding. It'll slightly delay the collection

814
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,760
of Giuliani from Giuliani.

815
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: Of course, Ben that presumes that anything was ever collectible

816
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,440
in the first place. You know what these chapter at evans.

817
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,079
The reason why he filed for it, of course, is

818
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,159
because you have to put forth a plan, and the

819
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:09,480
plan goes to the you know, to the judge that

820
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:13,039
will be supervising and the receiver who's supervising all of

821
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:18,280
the assets in this specific case, what does Rudy Giuliani own? Well,

822
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:21,079
we know that he has a co op here in Manhattan.

823
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,840
It's on the market for I think six point eight million,

824
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:27,960
and so far you know it's a no bite. Then

825
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,320
he also, I understand, has a home somewhere in Florida.

826
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:34,920
That creates a whole different sort of scenario too, simply

827
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,639
because of the Homestead Act. But I don't believe that

828
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Rudy Giuliani is a Miami resident, and certainly now he

829
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:47,239
couldn't file that anyway. The question, then, of course becomes

830
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,039
does he have mortgages on either of these two properties?

831
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,480
I would suspect the answer is yes. On top of that,

832
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:59,000
we all know that he owes money to his ex wife.

833
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:04,039
I think that his third wife, which he still has

834
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:07,559
not paid, I also believe that she may have been

835
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:13,280
on the co op here in Manhattan. That creates a

836
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,679
whole nother issue for the one hundred and forty eight

837
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:22,000
million dollar judgment, because obviously he only owns part of

838
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,519
that property. So there's so much here. Rudy has no assets.

839
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,559
What they'll do is they'll start to like collect his

840
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:37,480
New York Yankees' championship ring that he was given by Steinbrenner.

841
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,239
You know, that thing's got a value to it, maybe

842
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,639
twenty five thirty thousand dollars. Let's get crazy, say to

843
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,760
a real fan, because it was Rudy's, maybe it's worth

844
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:53,639
fifty right, Okay, hand it over a son of a gun,

845
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,519
right if he owns his car, right, say goodbye to that.

846
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,519
You know, obviously they're not going to take your personal

847
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:03,880
effects like your suits or your shoes or your underwear,

848
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,719
but or any art that he may have. That's all

849
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,679
going to be disclosed as part of the plan, and

850
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,960
it will ultimately get chopped up, it'll get sold off,

851
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:18,800
and whatever that number is, the numerator will get divided

852
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,519
by the denominator, which is obviously a whole lot more

853
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:31,480
than the numerator, and Rudy will probably be at the door,

854
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,559
like in the old Odd Couple of Donald knocking on

855
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,880
the door asking for a place to stay, you know,

856
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,719
from his old pal weal the mathou right, I mean,

857
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,000
it's just the whole thing is so crazy. In the

858
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:49,760
golden years of this guy's life, after having such a

859
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:56,559
you know, a significant career to be busted broke, you know,

860
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:02,119
but just be looked at as a total fraud, loser

861
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,760
and a jerk off. I don't know for that, Rudy,

862
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,159
you get the two fingers salute because I fucking warned you,

863
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,519
you idiot and a half right. Fuck you for not

864
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,760
listening to me. Fuck you for not coming clean instead

865
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,519
of standing there like the troll that you are next

866
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:23,159
to Trump at the various clubs, with that stupid fucking

867
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,119
smile on your face, going after everybody as if you

868
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:30,360
were Donald's protector. And here's why you're an idiot, Rudy.

869
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:35,280
You're an idiot simply because Donald would never do the

870
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,760
same for you. How did that fundraise?

871
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 4: It go?

872
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:41,679
Speaker 2: Right? Big fucking flop? Right? See, if you show up

873
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:45,719
tomorrow Lago now asking for credit on a fucking burger

874
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,920
and a fries, the answer, no, that's what Donald will do.

875
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,880
He's gonna kick your ass to the curb. Now, maybe

876
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,239
you could go running off to the Bernie Carricks of

877
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,199
the world, right, or somebody else that you think may

878
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,400
support you, but it ain't gonna be Donald, idiot.

879
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,119
Speaker 1: Well, we'll finish on that two finger salute. Want to

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00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:09,599
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to let everybody know that, but it's a good time

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I mean, there's so much content on that.

890
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Speaker 2: Sending me questions. I'm up at two thirty three o'clock

891
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in the morning. As you'll see, I'm even like this morning,

892
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I answered like thirty thirty five people. Uh so, you know,

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