Speaker 1: Welcome to political beatdown. I'm been my cellas, joined by
Michael Cohen. We've got a lot to discuss. Whether it's
Giuliani declaring bankruptcy, the Colorado Supreme Court issuing in order
disqualifying Donald Trump from the ballot. There special counsel Jack
Smith firing back to the United States Supreme Court after
Donald Trump very unsurprisingly said haste makes waste and asks
for delay on the issue of absolute presidential immunity. We'll
get to all of that, but first let's just start off.
Michael Cohen.
Speaker 2: I haven't really checked.
Speaker 1: In on all of the developments in your various legal
cases and what's going on with you, So I figure,
what's going on in the world of Michael Cohen. Can
we break any news right here at the beginning of
this political beatdown.
Speaker 2: Well, something that really is not being discussed too much
at the present moment is the motion to quash. There
were seven different, I mean buckets of material that they
wanted overbroad, nonsensical like, for example, they wanted all of
my tax returns. Could you imagine this is for Donald
Trump's defense in the Manhattan District Attorney case. Get a
load of this. He wants all of my tax returns
from like twenty seventeen on. Hey, if you want to
ask me, have I paid all my taxes? Yes? Have
you You want to ask me where they paid on
time without extension, as I have always done, except in
twenty seventeen when this shit came down. Yes, right, But
he wants copies of my tax returns. This is the
same guy who went to the Supreme Court in order
to stop anyone from seeing his tax returns. I just
find it comical. But they basically knocked out four of those,
and they limited drastically the items on the remaining three
in terms of what I have to give. The funniest
thing is to two of the three, all the information
is either in their possession or already readily available on
the Internet, like all of the checks to Stormy Daniels.
So from the Stormy Daniels payment. So not worried about that.
Other than that, you know, there's obviously you know, prep
will eventually start soon in the Manhattan District Attorney's case,
especially if it's determined that the January sixth, the Tanya
Chutkin case ends up being delayed because of the appeal
that Donald Trump has filed there, and then right now
it's kind of just status quo on everything else. I
have a request in for early termination of supervised release.
A couple of things got a little fucked up there.
I mean, I think personally this whole thing has gotten
completely out of control over a mistake in citation. But
we'll see what the judge you know, does or says
about that. But you know, right now, life is kind
of like for everybody because we're getting close to the holidays,
everybody disappears, everybody is quiet. Businesses are shut down. People
is saying, you know what, it's been such a rough year.
I'm gonna take an extra bunch of days, and I'm
going to instead of spending say ten days New Year's
through the holidays, I'm gonna take like twenty days. And
so everything right now is for the most part shut down.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not shut down here on the Mitus touch
and now where we are down here on the political beatdown.
And look, we're gonna keep giving you updates because the
news does not stop just because there are the holidays,
especially when it comes to all of the cases involving
Donald Trump, the criminal cases, the civil cases, and you know,
a lot of this is Donald Trump's own making the chaos,
but you know, specifically not just the underlying crimes he committed,
but then doing everything in his power to try to
delay these proceedings. And Michael Cohen, if there was ultimately
an immunity that you believe existed that one hundred percent
vindicates you, or even fifty percent vindicates you, or you
would call it a slam dunk immunity, you would be
doing anything in your power to get that immunity claim
heard as soon as you can. And Donald Trump's lawyers
at the very beginning when these indictments started dropping. You
take a look at the Washington DC indictment. You look
at what John Laura was saying, You look at what
Alina Haba was saying. They said, we have a one
one hundred percent absolute presidential immune the defense right here.
We look forward to asserting it. So this past week,
Alina Habba also said we want the Supreme Court to
hear the absolute presidential immunity. We played it here on
Political Beatdown and was specifically what she said, Well, and
this is what you and I said too on the
last show. We know that when Donald Trump's brief would
be due December twentieth, He's going to argue for delay
that the Supreme Court should not hear the issue of
absolute presidential immunity, where Special Counsel Jack Smith is asking
that they hear. Sure enough, Donald Trump, through his lawyers say,
quote haste makes waste and just so everybody knows, the
Supreme Court composition is six right wing justices, three of
whom Donald Trump appointed and three justices appointed by Democratic administrations.
So Donald Trump would have an ability if he says
we want new Supreme Court to hear sir shiori, which
means oral argument, to have a six to three court
three of the justices whom he appointed. The other three
are Alito, Roberts, and Thomas, who, in many ways other
than Roberts, are more right wing than even the justices
who he appointed rule on the issue of absolute presidential immunity.
Yet Donald Trump's brief says, no, we want to wait
for the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. It's just like
you don't need to know anything other than even that
in terms of like how cowardly he is and how
he feels about these issues. So you called it Cohen,
But there he did defile the yat but you know.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say something else that I think every
one of the brigaders here are thinking as I am.
Could you imagine Ben And when you give the analysis,
you're you're so spot on, You're like the professor right
that you know that you are the law school professor.
Everything becomes detailed and you specifically walk through each and
every inch of the you know, of the tape measure.
I have a little bit of a different issue here,
the fact that you have to remind us that Donald
Trump appointed three of these Supreme Court members, one right
the you know by obviously by by Joe Biden and
you know, and then the other three who are far
more right wing than even the three that Trump appointed,
et cetera. The way I see it, the Supreme Court's
not supposed to be partisan. They're supposed to look at
the issue not in partisan with partisan eyes, but rather
they're supposed to be looking at this in how does
this impact America? How does it impact American lives? All
predicated on the Constitution of the United States of America.
Anything shy of that makes them partisan and they should
not be on the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter that
Donald Trump now look they can have their opinion on something,
and everybody has an opinion. However, you need to put
that opinion aside and you need to base what your
decision is going to be again in the eyes of
how the forefathers of this country, while drafting the Constitution
would have looked at it, and if of course, because
we have so many new issues that they never could
have possibly contemplated, like, for example, a weapon of mass
destruction in ar you know, fifteen in the hands of
anybody that wants one, that doesn't just kill you, but
it basically annihilates your body. It is a weapon of
war the hands of people, or fully automatic bump stocks,
so what have you. They should be looking at this
again societal benefit with an underlying belief that this is
what the framers would have wanted, predicated on the Constitution
and the fact that we don't see it that way
or the way that the news is describing and discussing this.
I think it's a very very sad commentary on all
of us.
Speaker 1: I think it is as well. And you think about
just so everybody knows the court right the six right
wing Supreme Court justices, you had Clarence Thomas, George HW.
Bush appoint You've got Alito, a George W. Bush appoint
You've got John Roberts, a George W. Bush appoint So
those are three, and Roberts is considered a little more moderate,
right wing, traditional Republican. Alito very far out there. And
then in terms of the Trump appoint to Justice, you've
got Kavanaugh, You've got Gorsich, and then you've got Amy
Coney Barrett and so that's your six right there. And
then you're very democratic appointment. You've got Kaitanji Brown Jackson,
Biden so To Mayor and Kagan.
Speaker 2: So To.
Speaker 1: Mayor and Kagan were Obama appointees, and that's currently the
composition of the court. So if you're Donald Trump, though,
and you believe you're going to if you have an
absolute presidential immunity defense, you go, let's get that there
as quick as we can be. I want to prove
to everybody how how right I am. And you have
a court that's stacked in theory to be beneficial to you.
Speaker 2: But I already, though it goes back to what I
just said, we shouldn't even be discussing the fact that
you know, he appointed three and then there were three
from you know from Bush that should be irrelevant. It
should be because this is a precedented case. We've never
had anything like this. Is chances are God willing, when
he loses in twenty twenty four, will never have an
issue like this ever again. But that's the part that
they have to take into consideration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, all right, So that's what's
going So also, Special Counsel Jack Smith fired back, he said,
what are we talking about? This is something the Supreme
Court can clearly here on a direct appeal. Even if
the DC Circuit Court of Appeals has set expedited briefing
where oral argument will be held January ninth before the
DC Circuit on the issue of absolute presidential immunity, all
briefing will be done by January second. Special Counsel Jack
Smith is saying, look, Supreme Court, this is an issue
of serious constitutional import seems that Trump would agree with that.
So why are we wasting time here? Oh, it's because
Trump wants to delay, delay and delay everything. And by
the way, we see that in the Southern District of
Florida as well, where Judge Eileen Cannon has set this
May twenty, twenty twenty four trial date nobody believes that
that's a real trial date because she has not set
the deadlines that you would need to set in a
classified information case like a SEPA Section five deadline, which
involves the defendant's disclosure of classified documents. They want to
use that trial. So Special Counsel Jack Smith's been doing
things like he filed this week a motion for putting
out the jury questionnaire. So, okay, if there's a trial
in May, get the jury questionnaire process started, that has
to happen at a certain date. What does Donald Trump
do today? Files an opposition to the motion to put
out the jury questionnaire and then says that and says
to Judge Cannon that Judge Cannon should admonish Special Counsel
jack Smith's team about filing other documents other then that
what's within her schedule order. But Jack Smith did that
on purpose. He wants to smoke out the delay tactics
because Jack Smith wants that DC case to go first,
and he's trying to basically show that it's all a
ruse in the Southern District of Florida.
Speaker 2: Look, he doesn't have to smoke it out. He should
just call me on my cell phone and I'll tell
him exactly how Trump will end up looking to delay it.
You know, the problem that you have when it comes
to these delay tactics is they don't work right eventually.
And again, you take somebody like Jack Smith, if you
take somebody like Michael Cohen, with the help of Donia
Perry and my other attorney there, Ben Brodsky in Florida,
think about what was going on here. The guy is
suing me in the Southern District of Miami for five
hundred million dollars. You, my brigaders all know what I'm
referring to. So he sues me for five hundred million,
and we turn around and we automatically file the request
for his deposition, right because discovery is obviously needed in
order to lay my defense. Well he's okay, shoulders up,
chest out, big fucking belly out too, the whole nine yards,
diapers on, and I'm ready to rock and roll. So
now he goes ahead, and you know he plays tough guy. Yeah,
wait till we get him. Of course, I'm going to
be deposed and so on. And then they delay it. Okay,
we give it its proper time three four five days
as the court required. Then you go ahead, you file
your papers, and then of course they file, oh, you know,
opposition papers that he can't. He has X, Y and
Z going on. And the judge says, you know what,
I'll grant you this one time off, but here's the
date that you're going to be deposed, come hell or
high water. And then what happens He drops the case.
Donald will be a tough guy up until the point
that the shit is on his doorstep. And right now
with Jackson Smith, he knows exactly how to play this game.
He knows he didn't play in this game a whole
lot longer and a whole lot better than Habba, than
Chris Kies than you know, uh, you know, Cliff Robert
or any of the other D team lawyers that Donald
currently has working on this. So they'll play their initial
games and yeah, they'll get away with the delay. Then
you could get away with that delay, so could any
of the brigaders. Anybody who would go ahead and file
that motion, would would get, you know, exactly the same
thing that Donald is getting no special attention there. What
will ultimately happens. Jack Smith will do as a good
lawyer will. He will push the case, and he will
push the issue further and further until ultimately there's a decision.
Will it be a month, probably more, Will it be
two months? Yeah, you know more than that two I'm
sure three months, four months, Yeah, that sounds right. And
the next thing what happens now Trump is in panic mode.
He's in total panic mode. We see that time and
time again. You see in Donald's mind when you have
an issue that's scheduled for four months, five months, six
months from now, for him, that's eternity. Why because he
has so many issues right now, tomorrow, the day after,
next week, next month, that take precedent because it's happening
much sooner. He's not even thinking about what's four or
five six months down the road. He's thinking what's coming
on Monday and next Thursday and next Friday. That's what
he's thinking about.
Speaker 1: You know, he's been born with the golden spoon in
his mouth. His whole life. He's been able to use
his resources to just delay, delay everything and then declare bankruptcies,
screw over people. And you think about the kind of
decision matrix. Although I don't even want to use a
big vocabulary when referring to anything Donald Trump does, but
we'll call it a decision matrix to how he goes
about litigation, which kind of follows a pattern of like
denial and attack and then delay, delay, delay and then attack.
You know somebody else, blame somebody else. Inevitably, when a
bad outcome happens for Trump, then he tries to shift
the blame to somebody else and then have his followers
get angry at someone. Right, But you think about that
same framework is kind of how he does everything in life,
not just kind of litigation. You apply that same decision
making matrix to something like COVID for example, or something
like you know that anything it is, and it's basically
deny the situation, delay it, act like nothing is happening,
and then when whatever it is happens, blame somebody for it.
Blame the judge, Blame doctor Fauci, blame some expert. And
if you addressed it responsibly from the outset and confronted
the situation, that's what leadership is about, like actually dealing
with it. I know that's difficult to do, but dealing
with it. And now that Donald Trump has come face
to face with the judiciary and a team of lawyers
and prosecutors, across the country who have studied and know
his tactics and pushed back against it. He's losing his
mind even more than ever. I don't know if you
saw this Cohen. This is him in Waterloo, Iowa. And
we put together some of the things that he's just
been saying, and well, let's play the clip, and then
I want to get your reaction to it. Let's play it.
Speaker 3: The only reason I corrected is they'll say he didn't
know his name. He didn't know his name, he must
be cognate Deville. Don't forget I do most of this
stuff without teleprompter.
Speaker 4: Is they do biden real drill.
Speaker 3: It's crazy what's going on. They're ruining our country. And
it's true. They're destroying the blood of our country. That's
what they're doing. They're destroying our country.
Speaker 2: They don't like it.
Speaker 3: When I said that, and I never read mine kompf,
they said, oh, Hitler said that in a much different way.
You now, they're coming from all over the world, people
all over the world. We have no idea. They could
be healthy, they could be very unhealthy. They could bring
in disease. It's going to catch on in our country.
But they do bring in crime, but they have them
coming from all over the world. And I heard somebody
today say, one of these genius analysts, the stock market's good.
Rich get richer. But the stock market's good because they
think Trump is going to win the election.
Speaker 2: And I believe that's true.
Speaker 3: And whatever good they have right now is the fumes
of what we left them. It's coming off the fumes
of what we've left them. But the stock market is
good because a lot of people think we're going to
win the election. So that's an interesting, an interesting fact.
I felt that, but I didn't want to say it,
but I think we will say it. Well, the stock
market is making rich people richer, Ben, And I mean,
it's crazy what's going on. Rich people are getting richer.
Of course I'm a politician now, so we just keep
chugging along, right, But it's making but you're going to
have a crash the likes of which you haven't seen
because of what they're doing. It's going to be scary.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine, Michael, if it's don't get your reaction
to it.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not doing the same thing that
I'm shaking yet. So it's amazing when the stock market
wasn't doing well. He's out there saying it's because of
Joe Biden. It's because of Bidenomics. Everything is falling apart.
When I was the president, the stock mar there's going
like this, like this to the moon. It was it
was straight up. It was like an arrow, straight up.
I mean, those are his words. And okay, things corrected,
Things corrected as a result of Bynomics. And now the
stock market is at an all time high. Right. By
the way, oil drilling in the United States that's another
all time high too. Unemployment that's the opposite, that's an
all time low. I mean, it's amazing. He takes credit
where credit is not, of course due. He says things
that are completely made up. Right. The stock market is
right now on fire because people think that Donald Trump
is going to be the president. Talk about a narcissistic sociopath,
a complete mental breakdown of a human being sitting the
fact that you could even think yes. And by the way, Donald,
here's something else I want you to use in your
next rally that looks more like a clan meeting than
anything else. Ready for this one, Donald, The sun rose
today because you awoke and because you're ready for sleepy. Right,
you put on your depends, you put your diapers over it, right,
you put your you put your pajamas onto it. You
got your little pacifier in the mouth. And because you
Donald are ready to go, Betty by the moon, the
moon and the sunset, and the moon came out. So
all thanks to you. Right, the sun rises, right, the
sun sets, the moon rises, the moon sets to the
same extent that you rise and you set each and
every day. So on behalf of everyone in the world.
We all want to thank you. And this is only
happening because you, right are leading the GOP nomination, and that,
in your opinion, that you're probably going to be the
forty seventh president of the United States and the dictator
of America forever and ever. I just want you to
use that in your next rally, you idiot.
Speaker 1: Know, as I talk about the twenty twenty four election,
I've described it as democracy over dictatorship, normalcy over chaos,
and that that's what's on the ballot. But I think
there's some deeper and perhaps slightly more kind of intellectual
framing that's not necessarily meant for like a slogan, but
I think it's just an important thing. And that's the
following that President Biden and the Democratic Party is guided
by a set of principles and a clear set of
principles when it comes to the economy, that it's bottom up,
middle out, that it's focus on the workers. When it
comes to their view on healthcare and how to lower
prescription drug prices. You know where they stand when it
comes to social security. You know where Democrat at stand
when it comes to unions. You know where Democrats stand
when and President Biden, you know where they stand when
it comes to jobs and having wages with dignity not
just a living wage. You know where Democrats stand on
the issue of education. You know where President Biden stands.
They're guided by a set of principles. And there was
once a time where the Republican Party was guided at
least by some set of principles where we could have
a discussion and debate those where they would say, here's
our approach to the economy, here's why we think that
you need to privatize everything. Here's why we're focusing on
these groups of people. Here's why we're you know, you know,
doing this. But there is no principles anymore like when
you watch what Donald Trump is just it's just spewing,
you know, word salad or word vomit of of whatever
his insecurities are, the malignant narcissism. He wears his pathology
on his sleeve and just spews it at these eight
rallies that you want, what the heck are we even
watching right there? I want to still talk a little
bit and more what happened in Waterloop, but then I
which is in Iowa, and then I want to talk
a little bit about as well, Juliani's declaring bankruptcy. I
want to talk about this Colorado Supreme Court decision disqualifying
Donald Trump, and Trump's response by posting photographs of these
justices with their names and addresses, and the whole Maga
army attacking these Colorado Supreme Court justices. I mean, that's
where we're at in this country. It's just a fascist movement.
They just threaten everybody. We'll talk about all of that
and more when we come back from this quick break.
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Speaker 1: We're back right now on political beat Down before betting.
Speaker 2: What's up? Yeah, before getting you something. I want to
turn around. There's somebody who I think needs to actually
be acknowledged with the two thumbs up, not the two fingers.
The tooth thumbs up comes up for this one too.
We're gonna do both. Robert de Niro. I don't know
if people saw what was going on, obviously the feud
between to Niro and Trump, because to Niro, like you
and me, Ben, like the Brigaders, we see him with
clear with with eyes, we listen to the words he says,
we see what he is doing. And I just want
to say, you know, he had this interview with Rolling
Stones magazine, and this basically sums up everything that we
just spent the last twenty minutes talking about here's Robert
De Niro's words, and I'm a huge De Niro fan.
He says, all I know is this Trump brings out
the worst in people. He is a monster. I didn't
think that in the beginning when he was first elected.
I thought maybe he'll straighten out. Now this guy is
beyond dangerous, and I just hope people can realize it.
Once you go down that road, it won't be easy
to come back. I was just at the White House
for the Kennedy Center Honors with Billy Crystal, and I
got emotional. The bands were playing Christmas songs and it
was so upbeat, and I thought, this is what it
has to be, Like, what's going on with this Trump stuff?
This is crazy. This is Robert De Niro at his best,
and we're talking about, Hey, I don't even know how
many times he's won how many different awards. This is
Robert de Niro saying legitimately everything that we're saying. How
many times when people had asked me, how could you
have worked for the guy right for so long? So
I tried to make the I tried to distinguish the
fact that when I worked for him. It was the
real estate entertainment company. As opposed to as president. It
was a very different scenario. But we all said the
same thing. When he became president elect, we all expected,
we all hoped that he would rise rise to the
level the position of the president of the United States,
to the office of the presidency rise instead of debasing
it into this maggot dumpster of dog shit. And that's
what he's done. And you know the bad part, He's
taken so many people into that dumpster with them. That's
why we're seeing the things that we're seeing today. It's
why the polls are looking in certain respects. And you know,
I don't have a lot of faith or confidence in
these polls. I think they're all bullshit. But the reason
that there is as many supporters as there are because
they're all in the same dumpster with Donald.
Speaker 1: By the way, again, I don't like talking about polls either,
but when the polls are favorable to President Biden, and
there actually are a lot of polls favorable, especially when
you get into the likely voters, but there are a
lot of very favorable Biden polls. Legacy media never talks
about though. And then when there's a negative poll about
Donald Trump, it's somehow framed as the number being somehow
helpful towards Donald Trump. And that's what I said too
about this Colorado Supreme Court disqualification decision. I was like, look,
spare me the takes about how the Colorado Supreme Court
issuing a law and order ruling is so beneficial to
Donald Trump, and that that's hurts President Biden. You know,
I'm sick and tired of all of these really just
dumb takes that that's the instinct of the media every
single time.
Speaker 2: You know, really why political beatdown in all of the
like like Maya Kulpa and all of the other podcasts
and news. You know, podcasts on my Just Touched network
are thriving the way because we don't play that legacy
needia game where what they're looking to do is they're
looking to create a new story in order to keep
your eyeballs on to their station because it generates more
revenue for them. So let me be clear about something.
The other day when Trump was talking, and I think
it was at Waterloo also, he talked about things that
he was going to do. He was going to stop
all immigration, he was going to stop relations with What
did he say? South America? He said Asia, he said Africa.
Now I said this on Katie Fang last night, who
was sitting in for Ari Melbourne. I want you to
stop for a second and remember Donald Trump just doesn't
say shit willy nilly. He says things because that's how
he feels, it's what's on his mind. Let's break this down, Africa,
black people. When you talk about Asia, right, Asians, you're
talking about South American Latinos and Hispanics. So when I
see a poll that shows me that Blacks, Hispanics, Latinos
Asians are now siding with Donald Trump, I called bullshit.
I call bullshit to the nth degree, because why in
the world would you now want a person in office
who is fundamentally against your entire entire person, your entire race, religion, creed, color.
It is absolutely nonsensical and it's why I even said
I didn't call it out on bullshit yesterday, you know,
with Katie, but I called it out for being nonsensical.
And the fact that legacy media right now are promoting
these five hundred person polls that they already know the
answer to before the poll even starts right, Like, first
of all, who's picking up their phone? First of all,
who the fuck even has the phone today? Right? Yeah,
your cell phone, But I'm not even sure that they're
allowed to call you on your cell phone for these polls.
The whole thing is a bunch of bullshit. You would
do better, You and I Ben would do better in
a poll, and maybe we should do one, all right,
Mike's Touch poll will do one political beatdown poll asking
who would do you? Who will you vote for in
twenty twenty four And here's the difference. You will get
an entire range of people, millions of people answering a
poll in twenty four hours. You could set the duration
for twenty four hours. You will know exactly percentage wise
where the country stands based upon that poll, better than
this bullshit that legacy media is spouting.
Speaker 1: Note, look, if you go back to Obama Romney at
the same time, according to the media polls Romney, you
know Romney led. Anyway, I don't want to go get
caught up in the polls. Let's talk about the the
Colorado Supreme Court decision. Let's talk about it first from
the framework of what Donald Trump's been posting today. Donald
Trump's been writing, I'm not an insurrectionist, peacefully patriotically crooked
Joe Biden is. Donald Trump writes, Biden should drop all
of these fake political indictments against me, both criminal and civil.
Every case I am fighting is the work of the
DOJ in White House. No such thing has ever happened
in our country before Banana Republic election interference like all
in caps, just like a total maniac. And the very
fact that he thinks that President Biden has that power
over the DOJ and state prosecutions, which Biden does not,
should tell you everything about what Donald Trump in correctly
and dictatorially views the role of the presidency. Donald Trump goes,
crooked Joe Biden is a threat to democracy, and then
he starts posting the photos of the four Colorado Supreme
Court justices who ruled against him in the three decision
ordering that he'd be disqualified, and he reposts their pictures
with statements like communist thug democrats dressed up as justices
in Colorado, where's the crime? A group of kangaroo legal
justice system thugs? And then shows their photo and says
Colorado Democrat activist judges election interference. Look Donald Trump's receiving
his due process right. This case went before a trial judge,
it went before the Colorado Supreme Court, and it will
go before the United States Supreme Court. It will go
at every level on this issue of the Fourteenth Amendment
Section three. Fourteenth Amendment Section three is very clear in
what it says, those who aid in an insurrection or
who support the insurrection are ineligible to hold office.
Speaker 2: You know. And I had this with Kati yesterday. There's
so many the pundits on legacy, and everybody has an
opinion right on you know, what's going to happen, what
should happen, you know, And so I'll be very honest
with you, I'd rather beat the shit out of him
at the polls in that way. You know, these maggots,
these folks that I always say have fourteenth and three
brain cells that they cannot start running through the streets
screaming Trump won, Trump would have won, Trump should have won.
Now let's beat this shit out of him at the polls.
This is so unprecedented. First of all, I don't think
that the Supreme Court is going to have a decision
on this at least until the election. Anyway. That's just
my opinion, and you know, I don't like the courts
making a determination who is going to be president of
the United States under any circumstances. But Ben, you know
what I love the most about this political beatdown. I
love the fact that you and I we disagree on things,
but we are so on other issues. So in touch,
salty if you have it. When you were talking about
right there, when you were talking about where Biden should
drop all of these fake look at what I had done.
I had posted this. This was like at three o'clock
in the morning when I saw it and when I
usually get up. How can you the former president, be
so out of touch with how the system works. A
potus does not have the ability to start or stop indictments,
state or federal. If you want to understand this, I
discussed this on my mea Culpa podcasts, Blue Icon Background
Facts Matter. I mean, how funny is that with saying
the exact stay He has no clue how anything runs.
He doesn't understand how the Justice Department runs. He doesn't
understand the Constitution and what it stands for. He doesn't
understand anything other than what he wants, and always what
he wants has to be a benefit to him, No one.
Speaker 1: Cohen. Question one, do you believe that January sixth was
an insurrection?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Question two percent.
Speaker 1: Question two, do you believe that Donald Trump supported, aid
it or abetted that insurrection?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I think he he aided it and
he abetted it.
Speaker 1: Question three, do you believe that Donald Trump, when he
held the office of the presidency was an officer? Do
you believe the United States Presidency is an office within
the United States government?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And do you believe that those who draft the Constitution
meant the words that they said? We should apply the
common sense meaning to words in the constitution.
Speaker 2: See, this is where I have an issue. I don't
know what the drafters of the Constitution were thinking and
the entire repretation of it where I think that we
find ourselves in some sort of a different situation. Here
is again, whether or not it requires somebody to be
convicted of incitement, you know, or Article three of the
fourteenth Amendment insurrection or is it that you can just
make the claim that there's somebody that was involved in
an insurrection. You See, while I agree with you one
hundred percent, he incited it, he engaged in it, he
promoted it. The part I don't know is whether or
not the frames of the Constitution referring to somebody being
actually charged with it, or is it just somebody saying it?
Because there are people, many people in this country, the
maggots as an example that will turn on tell you.
I don't think Donald Trump incited it, nor do I
consider it to be an insurrection. So whose opinion in
this specific case matters? That's why I say this is
a very very novel issue, one that has never been discussed,
talked about, never should have been. Where you have a
president that is actually being accused of such a crime,
such an act, I show it out of him at
the polls, more so than to have a Supreme Court
make a determination.
Speaker 1: Sure, but this is only a controversial issue now. I
think because the Maga Republicans have rallied around the insurrection.
I think in a normal time you'd have Republicans and
Democrats all say what happened on January sixth was a disgrace,
was an insurrection, and we would all just apply a
common sense meeting, and the Republicans would not be all
in on saying this was a peaceful day and what
a great day it was for our nation's history. That's
where the Republican Party has taken over by mag is.
So now it becomes this issue. So now it becomes
an issue about whether it's self enforcing, because they want
the lead insurrectionists to run the show. But I mean,
just to me, Michael Cohen, you know, and as most
constitutional scholars interpret it, that it's a self enforcing statute,
because if the framers wanted to use something like you
have to be convicted, they would say, there's language where
they talk about convictions in the Constitution, and here it
doesn't say any of that. And here it basically says
if you engage an insurrection, you're disqualified. So the question
of who decides it, well, a court decides it. The
Secretary of State decides at first, then the court hears
the challenge, then it goes to the state's highest court,
and then it goes to me to the Supreme Court.
But to me, it's not on the constitutional framers about
why this is controversial. To me, it's because one of
our two major political parties said we're all in on
fascism and we're all in on the insurrectionists now claim
the insurrection is some credible political speech, which it's not.
And that goal, the.
Speaker 2: Goal is to retain power, plain and simple. And I
told everybody at that House Oversight Committee hearing, my biggest
fear is in twenty twenty, if Donald Trump loses the election,
there will never be a peaceful transfer of power. And
it's so funny how the Republicans have this idea on
peaceful transfer of power. I mean, they didn't say a
word when al Gore turned around and capitulated to Bush
Right and so on. He didn't fighted, he capitulated, He
congratulated him. He did the honorable thing. Trump got his
ass handed to him in the past election. And instead
of owning your loss, instead of congratulating, congratulating Joe Biden, well,
how could he congratulate Joe Biden. Joe Biden's a loose
He's a winner, you know. And so now the next
four years, the big lie just keeps promoting and being regurgitated.
Nobody trusts the system government, nobody trusts polling, Nobody trusts
the poll machines. You got space lasers changing you know,
the votes, and so on, the the just the nonsense
that's coming out of this GOP. And yet people are
still funding them. They're still supporting them. This is the
part that I scratch my head and I just say
I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Well, look, you know, you know these mean posts by
Donald Trump, the threatening posts against the Colorado Supreme Court justices,
for example, when he attacks these maga Republicans in the
House of Representatives. They care about their jobs in the
House so much, and they believe they've bought into the
lie that Donald Trump is their path to power, when
in fact, Donald Trump has just demonstrated other than the
twenty sixteen election, he's which he lost the popular vote,
He loses every he's he's a loser. Yet they buy
into this propaganda that he's a winner, and they therefore
actually seed the power that they could truly have. Like
Kevin McCarthy, if he stood up to Trump, actually could
have been the most powerful Speaker of the House in
American history. Cut Deals been remembered as a as a hero,
but now he's remembered as a zero because of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And that been you know who else, You know who
else fits that exact same mold. Rudy Kaludi, Drunken Juliani,
the guy who is considered to be America's mayor, the
guy that cleaned up the New York City, right, the
guy who is a former Southern District of New York,
right head of the criminal division, you know, took care
of the mafia. Right, this guy who had Giuliani partners
that made over one hundred million dollars in terms of
contracts worldwide. This idiot and a half, right, goes ahead
and he follows Trump right where I told you, right
to the fucking dumpster of Donald And look at him now,
and look today, the laughing stock of the world, with
the shit pouring down the side of his face in
the four seasons landscaping parking lot outside of a morgue
and a you know, in a porn shop.
Speaker 1: And declaring Chapter eleven bankruptcy today. And here's a statement
by I guess someone who refers to himself as a
political advisor to Rudy Giuliani. I'm not even sure how
you become an advisor if you don't get paid, but anyway,
it says the filing should be a surprise to no one.
Referring to the bankruptcy, no person could have reasonably believed
that Mayor Rudy Giuliani would be able to pay such
a high punitive damage amount Chapter eleven for Giuliani the
opportunity in time to pursue an appeal while providing transparency
for his finances under the supervision of the bankruptcy court
to ensure all creditors are treated equally and fairly throughout
the process. And that's from Ted Goodman. The only thing
I really read in there is delay. Delay. But even
a statement like this is filled with kind of like
so many lies. It goes no one, no person reasonably
could have believed that Giuliani would be able to pay
such a high punitive damage amount. Let's be clear, the
punitive damage amount was basically equal to the compensatory damage amount,
So you know, even though that was seventy five million
dollars when you add up the two twenty million dollars,
the two sixteen million dollar economic damages and two twenty
million dollar emotional distress damages, so he was able to
be you're saying he was able to pay the other
seventy million dollars. You know. Again, it's like, why why
e imposture this way? And then it goes on to
say that he'll pursue an appeal while the bankruptcy court
provides transparence for his finances. Look, folks, this is a
non dischargeable debt. It is an intentional tortue. There is
in bankruptcy a process called an adversarial proceeding where Giuliani
will list his assets and he'll list his debts. He
listed five hundred up to five hundred million dollars in
debts up to ten million dollars in assets. The next
thing that Shane Maws and Ruby Freeman will file is
a petition for an adversary proceeding to separate their claims
from dischargeable debt. A court will look at it. It'll
be easy to find because there was a finding that
Giuliani acted with malice and fraud and intent, which is
non dischargeable under the bankruptcy Code. So then it'll just
go to this adversarial proceeding. It'll slightly delay the collection
of Giuliani from Giuliani.
Speaker 2: Of course, Ben that presumes that anything was ever collectible
in the first place. You know what these chapter at evans.
The reason why he filed for it, of course, is
because you have to put forth a plan, and the
plan goes to the you know, to the judge that
will be supervising and the receiver who's supervising all of
the assets in this specific case, what does Rudy Giuliani own? Well,
we know that he has a co op here in Manhattan.
It's on the market for I think six point eight million,
and so far you know it's a no bite. Then
he also, I understand, has a home somewhere in Florida.
That creates a whole different sort of scenario too, simply
because of the Homestead Act. But I don't believe that
Rudy Giuliani is a Miami resident, and certainly now he
couldn't file that anyway. The question, then, of course becomes
does he have mortgages on either of these two properties?
I would suspect the answer is yes. On top of that,
we all know that he owes money to his ex wife.
I think that his third wife, which he still has
not paid, I also believe that she may have been
on the co op here in Manhattan. That creates a
whole nother issue for the one hundred and forty eight
million dollar judgment, because obviously he only owns part of
that property. So there's so much here. Rudy has no assets.
What they'll do is they'll start to like collect his
New York Yankees' championship ring that he was given by Steinbrenner.
You know, that thing's got a value to it, maybe
twenty five thirty thousand dollars. Let's get crazy, say to
a real fan, because it was Rudy's, maybe it's worth
fifty right, Okay, hand it over a son of a gun,
right if he owns his car, right, say goodbye to that.
You know, obviously they're not going to take your personal
effects like your suits or your shoes or your underwear,
but or any art that he may have. That's all
going to be disclosed as part of the plan, and
it will ultimately get chopped up, it'll get sold off,
and whatever that number is, the numerator will get divided
by the denominator, which is obviously a whole lot more
than the numerator, and Rudy will probably be at the door,
like in the old Odd Couple of Donald knocking on
the door asking for a place to stay, you know,
from his old pal weal the mathou right, I mean,
it's just the whole thing is so crazy. In the
golden years of this guy's life, after having such a
you know, a significant career to be busted broke, you know,
but just be looked at as a total fraud, loser
and a jerk off. I don't know for that, Rudy,
you get the two fingers salute because I fucking warned you,
you idiot and a half right. Fuck you for not
listening to me. Fuck you for not coming clean instead
of standing there like the troll that you are next
to Trump at the various clubs, with that stupid fucking
smile on your face, going after everybody as if you
were Donald's protector. And here's why you're an idiot, Rudy.
You're an idiot simply because Donald would never do the
same for you. How did that fundraise?
Speaker 4: It go?
Speaker 2: Right? Big fucking flop? Right? See, if you show up
tomorrow Lago now asking for credit on a fucking burger
and a fries, the answer, no, that's what Donald will do.
He's gonna kick your ass to the curb. Now, maybe
you could go running off to the Bernie Carricks of
the world, right, or somebody else that you think may
support you, but it ain't gonna be Donald, idiot.
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