WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:05.400 Meaning a light. Man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:07.519 his wing, big down in the forest. Man, it gonna 3 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:10.640 cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Man, 4 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:17.280 nobody's seen nobody else you see. 5 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:18.160 You know no. 6 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:21.920 Man, they like you call a story and you got 7 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:23.800 dicted like that. That's the way. 8 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:25.839 Man. Don't like a dang on the panel. 9 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:27.399 Man, Man, you don't don't matter. 10 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:37.439 Man, you cannot deny. Some of the people who tried 11 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.159 to storm the Capitol on the sixth of January, we're 12 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.679 holding banners which appealed to classical civilization in some way. 13 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:48.159 That is undeniably true. Far right, alright racist and white 14 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:52.439 supremacist groups use white classical sculptures as their logo. It 15 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:55.240 doesn't take very long to sit down with someone and say, look, 16 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.079 we've created a particular image of the classical world as 17 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:00.960 if it were white. Let me show you what these 18 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.880 sculptures once upon a time looked like they were in 19 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:07.680 our view, possibly quite garish, but they didn't have that 20 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.159 kind of sense of legitimating any kind of white supremacy 21 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:13.959 at all. I find that quite reassuring because it's a 22 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.599 wonderfully easy way to say to people stop it. You 23 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.680 have invested and invented a kind of classical past that 24 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:24.879 never existed. These are the words of Mary Beard, a 25 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:29.799 seventy something year old British classicist who recently went viral 26 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.079 for a bizarre segment of an interview which I just 27 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:38.000 read you, where she claimed that so called far right racist, 28 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:42.680 white supremacist like the classics and like classical statues because 29 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:47.959 they are white they're unpainted marble. Aside from being a 30 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.599 ridiculous claim on its front, I think it's an interesting 31 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:55.200 prism to look at the way in which classical history 32 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:58.879 has been deliberately attacked. We see it right there. She 33 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:02.159 relates this eight, which on its face should be a 34 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:07.560 scholarly debate about is our version of classical sculpture accurate 35 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:08.960 to how they would have been seen in the day, 36 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:12.560 into a direct ideological weapon. This is a way to 37 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:17.280 attack people she doesn't like the January sixth rioters as example. Now, 38 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.000 one might ask what is a seventy something year old 39 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.960 woman from London doing talking about January sixth in the 40 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.479 year of Our Lord twenty twenty six. And while that's 41 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.960 a perfectly reasonable question, I think it bears a little 42 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:33.400 bit of investigation into who Mary Beard is. She's sort 43 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.360 of the perfect example of exactly what I want to 44 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.319 talk about. She's been infamous for a long time as 45 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:45.960 a BBC presenter, as a documentarian for deliberately distorting history 46 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.719 to meet a certain progressive social sensibility. She's infamous for 47 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:55.840 creating a documentary where the Roman soldiers visiting the island 48 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:59.719 of Britannia were not Roman at all, right, they were 49 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.759 at and while certainly it was possible for a man 50 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:05.919 from Africa to serve in the Roman legion at that time, 51 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.960 it's completely and totally a historical for them to be subsequent, right, 52 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.039 we understand the North Africans were a different thing. And 53 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.240 clearly this is not a debate about history. This is 54 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.759 an ideological cudgel. And what I think is interesting and 55 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.199 others have remarked upon this. There was an article going 56 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:26.039 around absolutely distraught about the fact that so far so 57 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:30.039 called racist, far right people were interested in the Classics, 58 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.840 that they had sophisticated arguments that they were taking into it. 59 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:36.680 And we see again clearly, for these people, these classicists, 60 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.240 the Western canon is not their primary interest. It is 61 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:45.240 simply another battleground of ideological warfare. I think, like many 62 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:49.199 people have become reinterested in this field of the culture 63 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:54.039 war after more footage has dropped from the upcoming Christopher 64 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:59.159 Noland Odyssey movie. Almost immediately, the casting has drawn criticism 65 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.400 put it mildly, they are not Greek, and most recently, 66 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.479 Elliott Page, who you may remember in a previous life 67 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.120 as the girl from Juneo, is cast in this movie, 68 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.000 presumably as a man. And many people have looked at 69 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.360 this and said, well, what are you doing? You know, 70 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:21.720 why are you injecting this sort of modern political lens 71 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.439 into what is supposed to be a historical drama, right, 72 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.279 what is supposed to be a retelling of one of 73 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.519 the oldest stories in the Western canon. And I think 74 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.680 it's very clear, whether you look at Nolan's film, or 75 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.160 bird Beard excuse me, or any others of these sort 76 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:41.759 of progressive activist types, that we know you can only 77 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.560 serve one master, right, you can only have one top priority. 78 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.560 We understand this instinctively in a religious or a political sense. 79 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:50.519 I mean, look at the White House. Now, there was 80 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:53.600 an attempt to split the difference for a little for 81 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.600 this and a little for that, and we saw who 82 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.319 won out right, there's one ultimate priority. And with these people, 83 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.079 we understand that they sort of tried to mix the 84 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:06.160 Classics and progressives, and well, progress is a jealous god, 85 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.959 of course, and look what happened, right, Any sort of 86 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.879 historical consistency or genuine interest in the thing in and 87 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:16.680 of itself is sacrificed on the altar of modern progressive sensibility. 88 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.759 And for those who seemingly care about the canon for 89 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.240 what it is are deeply attached to this sort of 90 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:26.879 rich cultural tapestry. Well, what are that we understand there 91 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.519 by the standards of these people, they're racists, are far right, 92 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.600 they're horrible and my dad, of course, this is cast 93 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:37.680 in explicitly a racial lens. Right. The problem with the Classics, 94 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:40.879 of course, is that it benefits our enemies. This hated 95 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.439 group makes them look good. They like it, so it 96 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.160 must be destroyed, an attitude that would be familiar to 97 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.120 anyone who remembers the era of gamer game. Right, anything 98 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:55.399 becomes simply marked for destruction because it is liked by 99 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.120 the outside group. What I think is additionally interesting is 100 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.079 the age of married beer. 101 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:02.519 Right. 102 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.399 She is a boomer seventy years old, and look, we 103 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.000 can make fun of her for that, I'm sure I 104 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:10.160 will in this monologue. But all the same, we've seen 105 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.800 this same pattern, whether it is in the Church, whether 106 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.120 it is in the classics, whether it is in any 107 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:20.000 one of these fields. You saw people enter and attempt 108 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.800 to bring whatever field they were in, whether it was theology, 109 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.360 whether it was the Classics, in line with the sort 110 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.720 of secular civic religion of the day. And they made 111 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.439 a run of it, right, they mixed one with the other. 112 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.399 But those who came after them, right, their children, either 113 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:41.480 literal or ideological, well, they simply dispersed with the mixing altogether. 114 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:45.560 They were no longer progressive classicists. They were simply progressives. Right. 115 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:49.079 They didn't even bother with the underlying material itself is 116 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.560 simply look at what's happened to sociology, any number of 117 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.879 the humanities. You see the exact same thing. There's really 118 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.720 no scholarly rigor no interest in the material as itself 119 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:04.240 is simply another then you for ideological combat, for grinding 120 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.120 those axes that work work quite familiarly. You've seen a 121 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.480 very similar thing happen in the Catholic Church. For example, 122 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.319 there's an infographic going around tracking the political leanings of 123 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.560 priests in the Catholic Church. Unsurprisingly, and look, I'm not Catholic, 124 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:20.920 so if I get this wrong, forgive me, but I'm 125 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.920 surprisingly right. Before and after Vatican Two it's predominantly quite liberal, 126 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.879 least by the standards of the day, and since then, 127 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.800 right in the sixty years sex it is shifted over 128 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.120 and over and over again to the right. As a 129 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.759 current writing, I think it's well over eight in ten 130 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.800 described to themselves as staunchly concerned. And why is that. Well, 131 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.279 if you grow up with a liberal priest, if you 132 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:46.920 have a liberal classics professor who mixes their progressivism with 133 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.439 the Church, or the progressivism with Homer, well they may 134 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.560 have in their mind desired to create sort of syncratic religion. 135 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.240 But the men, I say, the men, the people who 136 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.279 followed after them, certainly didn't. They became progressives full stop. 137 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.079 You've seen this in the propst mainline denominations. You see 138 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.680 this over and over again, that jealous God will not 139 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:10.959 abide a divided loyal and those who stayed, those who 140 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.120 loved that institution, that tradition for what it was, well, 141 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:19.680 they simply cannot be progressive. Their love for their church, 142 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.560 their love for Christ their love for the tradition is 143 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:29.639 incompatible with this secular, progressive, godless state cult. I see 144 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:33.000 this in my own religious institution. It's very interesting, and 145 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.279 I'm sure many of my listeners will experienced the same 146 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.679 thing traditionally in my state. Traditionally, I mean, you know, 147 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.360 as long as anyone has been alive, the assumption has 148 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.200 been that young people are more liberal, more progressive, as 149 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.360 we would say, currently than their elders. Right, that is 150 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.039 sort of the long arc of history, sort of a mlkay. 151 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.440 And that's been broke. Not in raw aggregate numbers, of course, 152 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:00.960 we understand, but at institutions, right. The people who care, 153 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.159 the people who show up, the people who wanted to 154 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.240 go to church because they wanted to go to church, 155 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.440 the people who wanted to read Homer because they love Homer, 156 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.159 well they love that thing. It comes first and foremost. 157 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.159 And those who were there for the political nonsense, well 158 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:19.039 they can find that stronger somewhere else. Why would you 159 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.399 go with an adulterated water down version, can go for 160 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:25.279 the full strength stuff. And so it's created this bizarre 161 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:29.159 dynamic where older people like Mary Beard in their seventies 162 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.879 are very uncomfortable with the fact that they're presumed allies, 163 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:36.840 that the vanguard they assumed they'd have, have really nothing 164 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.399 in common with them at all, that they care about 165 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:44.240 the tradition, whatever that tradition is. And it's created a 166 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.360 really interesting dynamic. I mentioned churches. I'm sure you can 167 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:51.639 see it in your own institutions. And this flailing right, 168 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.879 this desire of if it can't be progressive, it must 169 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:59.000 be destroyed, is again something we see across culture that 170 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.279 once they realize that they're outflanked, once they realized that 171 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.799 the next generation will not carry on well seemingly, the 172 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.120 instinct is to burn it down, to torch it, to 173 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.000 destroy the whole thing. This kind of spiteful lashing out. Obviously, 174 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.480 you see this with a desire to diminish everything right 175 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:19.360 about the field that launched this woman into prominence. I 176 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:21.919 wrote an essay a while back called the Tyranny of 177 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:25.519 just It. It's a dramatic name forgiven talking about the 178 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:30.360 blank is just that that statue? Right, the defeated goal, Well, 179 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:34.039 it's just a piece of rock covered in garish colors. Right, 180 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:37.240 it looked like Disneyland. It's not white. Now, I'll be 181 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.480 the first to admit this, Maybe I didn't know as 182 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:44.240 a kid that these statues were painted, But simply by 183 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.720 being a white stone did not indicate to me that 184 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.799 it was like racially white. I mean, obviously the French guy. 185 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:54.879 If depending on how Ben Franklin pild you are, we 186 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:59.519 can debate that specifically. But of course you have to understand, right, 187 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.600 this is not a legitimate critique. You see that there. 188 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.960 She is not making that claim because she is sincerely 189 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:13.240 interested in preservation or the processing of teaching this information. 190 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.919 It's a tire to destroy. It's a desire to say, oh, 191 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.639 that thing you like, it's not special, there's nothing to it. 192 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.720 It's not yours, it's nothing. The thing that I have 193 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:25.159 built my life on, it is nothing. You see this 194 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.039 in churches. The reason I keep using this as an example, 195 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.480 it's because fundamentally this is a religious disagreement. Regardless of 196 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.159 your opinion on the Trinity or whatever, you can see 197 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.600 that this is ultimately a war of belief, a war 198 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:43.559 pure ideological claims right, truth claims what is wrong? And 199 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:47.200 in a church context, right you can think of any 200 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.879 number of institutions where at the moment the progressive loss, 201 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.679 they tried to burn it to the ground. Right This 202 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:58.240 happened in many Presbyterian denominations when the social progressivism of 203 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.480 twenty five years ago primarily focused on the ordination of women, 204 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.360 and those churches have continued in that direction. When people 205 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.360 sow it to leave, it was scorched earth. Was oh 206 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:10.519 that building you and your community has been in for 207 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.159 two hundred years. If you want to leave, if you 208 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:18.320 won't take mandated female clergy, if you won't perform gay marriages, 209 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.200 you can't have it. It's hours we're taking it away 210 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.120 from you. We don't have a use for it, but 211 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.399 you can't have it. And it's the same desire we 212 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.240 see over and over and over again, that desire. If 213 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.960 I can't win, you must lose. And it's really encouraging 214 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.080 to me that Beard and others are scared, right, they 215 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:39.000 understand that their grip on this is slipping, because whether 216 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.000 it's religious tradition, whether it's the Western canon, it is 217 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.919 bigger than these people. It is bigger than this sort 218 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.679 of cheap chiency twenty first century politic, which I think 219 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.720 is really what bothered me and many others about this 220 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.919 recent Nolan film, which okay, fair I haven't seen, but 221 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:58.960 you look at the previous you understand what I mean 222 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:01.399 that it feels as if something sacred is being dragged 223 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.159 through the mud. Maybe not literally sacred, of course, but 224 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.200 the feeling this, if this is being cheap, and that's 225 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.480 something that is timeless, something that is deeply human that 226 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:14.639 me and an air conditioned classroom in twenty fifteen can 227 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:18.360 read thousands of years after it was composed and connect 228 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.320 with They are mine, We are part of the same thing. 229 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:25.799 There's a deep connection there. And similarly, right when you 230 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.399 pick your religious text, I don't want to speak to 231 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:32.799 whichever book you read of, but nonetheless, this is something 232 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:34.919 that has been passed through time, the people have thought 233 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.799 was important, the word of God itself, and to see 234 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.679 that being dragged through this kind of trash, right, the 235 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.440 kind of daily grind politics is rightfully irritating to people, 236 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.559 because what draws young men to the classics, what draws 237 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.679 young men to church, is not really the culture war. 238 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.679 In some way, it is right that the desire to 239 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:59.399 react against something that feels say threatening, but something that 240 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:03.440 feels wrong, but also the idea to tie yourself to 241 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.000 all yourself to something that is bigger than you, that 242 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.240 is your civilization, right where you came from, and it's 243 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.120 especially rich coming from people in their seventies, people like 244 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.919 Mary Beard, who grew up in a time in which 245 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:20.320 there was a social fabric, who grew up in a 246 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:23.879 time in which you could say an Englishman, you could 247 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.559 say an American, and something could quickly pop to mind, 248 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:30.279 something that you could put yourself into, a canon in 249 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:34.720 its own right of figures and attitudes you could index 250 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.879 yourself to. That is how one is a good Englishman. 251 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.399 That's how one is a good America. And to see 252 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.000 someone who grew up in that, who's presided over and 253 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:47.639 in her case and many others fostered and encouraged this 254 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.320 kind of culturalist era, it's a bit rich, right, It's 255 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.559 a bit rich because you look at it and you say, 256 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.519 look what you have wrought, right, look at the world 257 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.840 you have created. You grew up bearing none of the cost. 258 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:02.360 And now that the bill has come due, you look 259 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:04.879 at people who are unhappy with that, and you say, no, 260 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.080 you racist, white supremacist, thug, you idiot, you moron, I'm 261 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.080 going to burn it down. And that attitude, I think 262 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.679 is all too typical. And I think when we look 263 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.919 at the canon, right, when you look at the Christian tradition. 264 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.240 Pick whichever one you you like best. I think we 265 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:25.120 have to understand that they are rightly afraid, that they 266 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:30.279 are attempting to destroy something which is much much bigger 267 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:35.639 than that beard or god awful documentaries, this film. They're trash. 268 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.960 They will be forgotten. They will not be preserved through 269 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.679 thousands of years, like Homer, like the scriptures, like the 270 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:46.879 pieces of art. Were ostensibly debating because for these people, 271 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.960 they are simply one of many fields of combat. Right, 272 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.000 they'll move on to something else. We've seen it over 273 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:55.919 and over again, and so to me it's worth discussing 274 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.360 because it's an attitude we see all too often. But 275 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.799 I'm not afraid of these people either. Should you be. 276 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:05.120 They're flailing, they don't know what they're doing, and I 277 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:10.720 think they will be sorely disappointed to see their god 278 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.360 awful intellectual cull the sack coming to an end. Because 279 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.519 those who care about the classics, those who care about 280 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.440 the church going forward, care about it for its own 281 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.279 intrinsic value, not simply as a way to wage this 282 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.720 culture war. And so I think in many cases, to 283 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.000 quote to quote Dave, the distributist right, we have a 284 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.159 monopoly on the men who care, and in my mind, 285 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.000 that's encouraging. So, guys, this has been a little bit 286 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.159 of experiment from me. I've decided to start appending these 287 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.240 monologues to the front of my podcast interviews, sort of 288 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.360 an imitation of Tucker I think he does a good 289 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.279 job of it, but also as sort of a primer 290 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.759 to the episode. So this episode is with my buddies 291 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.519 over at Dual Stalty. Great podcast talk about the Western 292 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.759 tradition classics, both funny and informative. It's a good episode. 293 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.200 You guys should check out their work. I've already done 294 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:01.279 an episode with them BEFO. You guys really seem to 295 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:04.920 enjoy it, and let them know I sent you. This 296 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:07.880 episode is sponsored, as they all are. I'm going to 297 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.319 probably do the sponsorships here instead of at the end. 298 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.240 But as usual by Axios Remote Fitness Coaching JD helps 299 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.200 me out a lot. So if you were interested at 300 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.240 all in improving your fitness becoming like a Greek statue, 301 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.240 one might say, head over to Axios. What a mil 302 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:24.519 I sent you. Other than that, guys, you know how 303 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.079 it is supported by listeners like you five bucks a month. 304 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.079 Episodes early in ad free and thought further. Ado dou 305 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.720 A Stalty, thank you very much. All right, Duo Stalty, 306 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.240 welcome to the j Burns Show. You guys doing, hey 307 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.799 man doing all right? Yeah, I'm glad to have you 308 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.079 back on. I was planning on having you on anyway, 309 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.279 and then I had to crash out about an episode 310 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:47.799 I will not be airing boof chat and you guys 311 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.119 were like, oh, hey, how about we come on instead 312 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:51.480 of you putting up that? And I was like, you 313 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.319 know what, good idea, And honestly, I'm glad to have 314 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:56.559 you on anyway because last time I was at a 315 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:58.759 pretty ni I had the flu, so I was even 316 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:01.240 more retarded than normal. But that said, good to see 317 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:01.759 you guys here. 318 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.240 Good to see you last time your episode with us 319 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:10.039 on it gave us like a huge bump, A lot 320 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.880 of a lot of Jay Burden listeners migrated over and 321 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.160 I for that, I am very very thankful, and we 322 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:16.359 are very very thankful. 323 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.160 We're basically doing you a favor at this point. 324 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:24.240 Okay, yeah, we're helping out the little guy. 325 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.880 Here's the thing with podcasting is you can look at 326 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.480 it two ways. Either it's a feudal system or it's 327 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.400 a giant multi level marketing scheme, and it kind of 328 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.640 depends on how positively you view the whole thing. 329 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:40.920 Well, yeah, do elaborate on how you see it as 330 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:42.920 a feudal system, because we had an hour and a 331 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.359 half long argument about this in an episode. 332 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:51.480 Because basically, what happens and I just want to say, 333 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.079 at this point in the podcasting world, I'm like a 334 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.759 I don't know if I'm even like a baron yet. 335 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:02.400 I'm probably like a particularly up at a night but 336 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.160 what happens is and honestly, the more I say this, 337 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.400 the more this analogy falls apart. But that's never stopped 338 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.480 me before. But effectively, you start out you're a surf, 339 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.359 you're nobody, and then you have to you have to 340 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.720 find someone to sort of attach yourself to you in 341 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.920 sort of a mentor mentee, and then once you get 342 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.200 to a certain point, you get to have your own serfs, 343 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.519 and really no one actually gets any better, it's just 344 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:28.920 you fill in below them. So that's the kind of 345 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.359 like multi level marketing part of it. 346 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:32.000 Yeah. 347 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:36.039 Well, I've been actually planning on expanding our operations to India, 348 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.720 so we're in the works of translating the podcast and 349 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:43.480 Hindi right now. So its yeah, we're gonna spread out 350 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:48.039 the multi level marketing and hopefully hit that very valuable demographic. 351 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.880 Did you guys catch the Dogan crash out? 352 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:51.720 Yes? 353 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.240 You know what it reminded me of. It's that video 354 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:56.920 of the Greek and the Turk fighting on Omeigal and 355 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.680 the guys like, I am more white than you. You 356 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.880 are see brown? Oh That's all I could think about 357 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.599 when seeing him go, I'm more white than you. 358 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.200 Well, it's also it's just like it's very much the 359 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.759 like but Alex who asked you? 360 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:17.440 Like, I don't want to name names, but I do 361 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.240 remember for a few years before this, there have been 362 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:22.680 some very prominent people on the right that have have 363 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.720 have held Dugan in high regard and like, this isn't 364 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.279 a shocking thing. If you look at anything that Dugan's 365 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.279 put out, it's all third world eight man drivel. And 366 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.119 you know, I don't know. Now some people are like, wow, 367 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:39.720 he's saying all this. I'm like, you didn't notice this? Like, well, 368 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:40.519 I won't name. 369 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:45.079 Names, but here's the thing, Like, at least part of this, 370 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:47.880 I think is people not being able to be adults 371 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.119 and realize that a guy can both have said or 372 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.160 read interesting things and also be by and large a 373 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.200 complete moron. Like you know, you can. You can look 374 00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:59.039 at someone and be like, Okay, that's an interesting idea 375 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.000 and then look to like paragraph two and be like, 376 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.559 oh yeah, that's not good. I don't like that. And 377 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:08.599 so the like ninety five IQ being like, oh you 378 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:10.680 you read a book by Dugan that lets mean you 379 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.240 agree with this. It's like, okay, come on, please, the 380 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:15.359 adults are speaking, go back to the kids table. 381 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:17.680 And on the flip side, the people that are like, 382 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.359 whoa Dugan said this? He's based He's gonna save the West, 383 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.000 and you're like, no, hold on, no hold on, buddy, Yeah, 384 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.920 it's it's you know, I think the quality of discourse 385 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.400 on the right has really really gone down as the 386 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.519 internet access is spread across the world, because now you 387 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:40.359 have you know, twenty five billion Africans and Indians, you know, 388 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:45.400 going ha, I'm based trad LARPer fourteen eighty eight. You know, 389 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:50.599 I'm the true Rian son of Hyperborea, and this is 390 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:55.599 why you should support you know, Sneako or Dan Blazarian 391 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:59.960 for Congress. And I'm like, you know, does anything anything anymore? 392 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.960 I have this, you know, this is we had a 393 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.400 discussion about this. This is why I also don't like when 394 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.079 they all start talking about the Roman Empires. I'm like, look, 395 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:12.000 you're too IQ to talk, too low IQ to talk 396 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:12.480 about this. 397 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.759 Like, well, yeah, Titus, I completely agree. And this is 398 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:21.400 why I have simply seceded from discourse and really endeavored 399 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:24.039 to make this a show about nothing, just. 400 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:25.680 The Seinfeld podcasts. 401 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.799