WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:14.679 The figures. 2 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:23.440 I need seven figures. I need seven figures. 3 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:24.640 Bro, I got the follow it. 4 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.519 I got twenty eight thousand, I got too hundred thousand exactly. 5 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:29.359 How do I monetize? 6 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:30.280 You know what I mean? 7 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:32.600 How do I monetize? 8 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:36.840 I like money and I like shoes. 9 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:42.200 How do I feel the business? I don't really care 10 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:44.560 about how many followers are happen. 11 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.520 From an Oriental to a born rental Wiger Blucelana. I'm 12 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:51.200 a Bluey's Protestants for every time by my merch is 13 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:52.280 my ministry, my church. 14 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:54.359 I'm blessing God JD. Please don't save me. 15 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.079 I've been safe for a yard heavy a bit EXA mean, 16 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:01.119 I fascinated. My pride is I do be like mufossa 17 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:04.079 baby my testimony, Get me money bat or watch you 18 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.040 that I'll be back for my own super chance. Like 19 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.959 I'm sure the Nigga, I need to monetize them. So 20 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:12.799 fighting Christians, I need some money from on. That's my mission. 21 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:16.239 And if I'm coming up against real Christians, I run 22 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:19.519 like hell not to take in. Hey, Jay, don't make 23 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.760 me play myself. I'm here taking for the than the 24 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.439 bell this want me take it? Please don't make me 25 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.359 feel Please? Please please, Bro? 26 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:30.599 I got the following. I got twenty eight thousand. I 27 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.159 got to hundred thousand on executive. How do I monetize? 28 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.599 You know what I mean? How do I monetize? 29 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:44.359 I need seven figures, I need seven figures. I need 30 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:48.560 seven figures? 31 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:50.879 Bro, I got the following. I got twenty eight thousand. 32 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.519 I got to hundred thousand on executive. How do i'm monetize? 33 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:55.400 You know what I mean? 34 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:57.000 How do I monetize? 35 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:01.959 I like money and I like shoes. 36 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.159 How do I feel this? 37 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:12.120 I don't really care about how many from. 38 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.400 An Oriental to a born rental wigger. 39 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:14.759 I'm Ruslan and I'm a busy's proud of the stints 40 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:17.400 for every done by my merch is my ministry, my church. 41 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:18.159 I'm blessing God. 42 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:18.759 JD. 43 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.919 Please don't save me. I've been safer for a yard. 44 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:24.080 Every yety bitty rup he got me fascinated, but I 45 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:24.960 take my pride. 46 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:25.520 It's my dude. 47 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:28.520 He like mufossa baby my testimony. Get me money, bat 48 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.280 or watch a wigga. I'll be back for my own 49 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:33.319 super chance. Like I'm s a nigga. I need to 50 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:36.800 monetize you so fighting Christians I need some money from them. 51 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:37.919 That's my mission. 52 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.400 And if I'm coming up against real Christians, I run 53 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:42.000 like hell not. 54 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:42.479 To take in. 55 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.319 Hey, Jay, don't make me play myself. I'm heretictre for 56 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.439 the dinner bell. This my meal ticket. Please don't make 57 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:54.159 me feel please, please please, bro, I got. 58 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.039 The following, I got twenty eight thousand. I got two 59 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:00.159 hundred thousand exacting. How IM monetize? Then? 60 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:07.159 How do I monetize? Can you name anybody after the Automa, 61 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:08.960 the Apostles that taught your culture? 62 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:15.800 Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's 63 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:21.439 whole family, Harriet Tubman's whole family. Idiot from Africa, from 64 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:22.680 the Ashanti tribe. 65 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.039 When it came over here, they had their tradition to 66 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.680 knowing they were Israelites up until this day. You allow 67 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:29.439 me to finish, you would have heard, so I know 68 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.840 they'd like to believe that we didn't know that we 69 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.280 was Aelites, but we knew that we were Israelites coming 70 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:35.120 off of them ships. 71 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:37.800 Oral tradition, coming off the slave ship. 72 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:42.120 So from the Europa tribe, the Ego tribe, the Ashanti. 73 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:45.800 Tribe take it on the slave ship. I can't help it. 74 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:50.520 Academia doesn't respect from the Europa tribe. The Ego tribe 75 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.199 Ashanti tried take. 76 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:56.360 It on, taking on them slave ships. So now I 77 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:57.400 will ask you a question. 78 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:03.319 Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's 79 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:06.400 whole family, Harriet sub means whole family. 80 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:10.240 Idiot, because he thinks that Harriet Tubman has a tradition 81 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:15.000 of superstition that is the basis for his cult historical lineage. 82 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.399 You idiot, Harriet Tubman, yappen and let me answer your 83 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:20.879 dumb ASTs question. He won't shut up, so. 84 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:23.920 I know you're not talking about Somebody said, no, I 85 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:25.319 know you're not talking now. 86 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.680 This idiot thinks that the word gentiles there means Israel 87 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.879 because the word nation or gentile can also refer to 88 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:35.839 Israel because it just means nation. You idiot, from. 89 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:39.120 The Europa tribe, the Equo tribe, he's Shanti tribe. 90 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.759 Take Harriet Tubman his family. 91 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:42.839 I can't help it. 92 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.480 Academia doesn't respect from the Europa tribe. The Equo tribe 93 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:51.480 with Shanti tried take it on the slave ship, take 94 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:52.560 it on the slave shift. 95 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:55.600 So now I will ask you a question. Shut your mouth. 96 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:57.279 You don't have to talk during my time. I didn't 97 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.959 talk during your time. He's the most ignorant white man. 98 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.959 Is this where we can just disrespect and call each 99 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:03.839 other names? 100 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:05.000 You do not understand grammar. 101 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:10.800 When you look up Valentine, it's Valentina the idiot, I ranius. 102 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:13.199 How you say his name? You idiot? 103 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.199 To add Hans the consistent Harriet Tubmans to mock in 104 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:48.879 my voice, God, get some dirty. 105 00:05:51.759 --> 00:06:05.480 He looks gray. He looks like a right spacemen basement basement. 106 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:18.600 Baa under were fitting project on the. 107 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:35.920 Were right space, more space, more space, go long. I 108 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:36.639 would like that. 109 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.480 The manner of Lomber. 110 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:46.720 That you want. 111 00:06:49.160 --> 00:07:01.720 My space wise, let's create. 112 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:17.839 That's a body. 113 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:21.519 It's a very tool body. 114 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.959 He looks good, he looks good, he looks he looks good. 115 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:37.279 Space space s. 116 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.360 Space space. 117 00:07:45.360 --> 00:08:24.399 Space, space, spacelise. 118 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:30.279 That's crazy. 119 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:38.679 Space. 120 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:53.039 They stole some Sumerian technology that allowed them to predict outcomes, 121 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.600 and that technology stopped working in twenty twelve. We're gonna 122 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:58.600 get into that tomorrow. I find it to be fascinating. 123 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.120 I wonder if they saw Charlie Kirk. 124 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:10.720 Black Kang Black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persue, 125 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:16.519 lang Gang, blaoishops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persueylang Kang, 126 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:21.480 black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate persuey lang Kang, 127 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.000 black niciops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persuasion. 128 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.799 But the Dark ageons at a time when black people 129 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:29.519 ruled Europe. 130 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.799 So when you go into the real history, you'll see 131 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:38.679 King James with that's King James right, that's James Lebron, that's. 132 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:42.039 King lebar right now black he was not a white guy. 133 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:47.639 You'll see his whole lineage of kings, black kangs, black. 134 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:52.919 Bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persue, lang Gang, blamniiops, 135 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:57.960 black players, people of the Chocolate Persueylang Kangs, black ticships, 136 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:02.919 black players, people of the Chocolate Persuade, la King, black bishops, 137 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:04.519 black players. 138 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:06.039 People of the Chocolate Persuasion. 139 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.440 Who was a homostsexual himself, who was in love with 140 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.279 his sister Lucretia, who did need the image of Lucrecia 141 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:17.799 to be married, and that became the Renaissance era Lucian sought. 142 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:21.919 Are you telling me, Lucretia that's a black game. Are 143 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.240 you going to say that the people that was framing 144 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:25.919 the black. 145 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:27.559 People were also black. 146 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:29.919 That don't make make sense. Lucretia's a black as hell 147 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:34.519 named Lucuetias. Church even allowed it, you know what I'm saying. 148 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:38.639 The church allowed for straight pimples that have been suppressed, 149 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.639 that have been suppressed. Listen to my brother the fifteen hundreds, 150 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:45.279 it was legal to be a. 151 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:49.919 Pump black kang, black bishops, black players, people of the 152 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.840 chocolate persuade black gang, black bishops, black players, people of 153 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:56.240 the chocolate persuasioners. 154 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:05.399 Mm oh yeah, welcome everybody. The drama didn't die down. 155 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:12.240 Everybody's even more slave queen in today, or I should say, 156 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:13.799 trying to be a slave queen. We've got a lot 157 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.919 of pretenders to the throne of Wig's antheum. We got 158 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.240 a lot of gay evangelicals out here trying to make 159 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:23.200 a stink, trying to pull up on a brother, I 160 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:30.919 mean a sister, a diva. We got David Wood calling 161 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.360 me out, we got ap calling me out. We got, 162 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:40.440 of course, interesting silence from God logic when a lot 163 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:42.240 of people are asking him, Hey, why are you sending 164 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:43.240 people to synagogues? 165 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:43.399 Bro? 166 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:45.240 Is that. 167 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:51.519 Where they find Christianity? At weird Messianic synagogues, many of 168 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:55.840 which are actually anti Trinitarian. Now maybe this one isn't, 169 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.120 but that's not the point. The point is that we 170 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.600 already did the whole judaizing heresy thing in the first century. 171 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:07.600 It was already settled. And what's the big heresy that 172 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:12.720 has a stranglehold on the entire grip of modern America. 173 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:19.039 Evangelical Zionism. And these people are pretty much promoters of 174 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:22.039 that when we know that with a posse prophet and 175 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:27.720 David Wood they're open Zionists. And why is that Well, 176 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.840 because they cannot accept the teaching of the Orthodox Church 177 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.080 that the Orthodox Church is the one true Church. And 178 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.000 as I said the other day, of course this is 179 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.720 a stumbling block. They want a Jesus that doesn't direct 180 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:44.000 them to any church. They want a diy Jesus that 181 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:47.159 allows you to kind of make it up the way 182 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:51.759 you see fit. Oh you don't like this or that doctrine, well, 183 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:55.399 then craft your own fake rhythm church. 184 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.639 Because it's the rhythm of the church much church. Oh yeah, 185 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:08.320 because there's the rhythm of the church my cash. 186 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:09.679 Oh yeah. 187 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:17.879 Now let's look at Jay Dyer hates anyone successful this 188 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.600 is all Ridvaon has. This is the most leftist, effeminate 189 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.360 response I've ever seen from anybody who's supposed to be 190 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.919 a dude in this whole sphere. This is exactly the 191 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.919 way women think. They think that the only and leftist. 192 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.120 The only way that you would ever criticize somebody is 193 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.919 because you're jealous. That's the only reason that I would 194 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:45.200 ever criticize somebody. Well, let's Jay acts like this and 195 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.240 then says that we have to join Orthodoxy. Yeah, but 196 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.480 what I did that was so horrible was to ask 197 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.600 any of these people to defend their doctrine or version 198 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.080 of the church. That's that simple. And I thought of 199 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:03.519 a kill shot today, which is another kill shot for 200 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.960 all these people. Can you name any single person that 201 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.879 was a parachurch or churchless apologist in the first millennium? 202 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.639 Name one? Oh, there isn't one. Because this is a 203 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:22.399 thoroughly Protestant idea that you can divorce Jesus from his body, 204 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:28.120 from his church, and from his sacraments. The entirety of 205 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.200 why people are convert are converted is to live the 206 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.480 life in Christ. And so I'm going to recommend that 207 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.519 if you never read this book by Saint Nicholas Cabasilas. 208 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:43.519 Everybody should read this because he's a I think fourteenth 209 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.639 century in me. And if you're wondering why my copy 210 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:49.919 is not marked up, it's because I read this in 211 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:53.600 two thousand and seven and I gave it away and 212 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:55.840 I bought a new copy recently, So that's why this 213 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:57.919 one isn't marked up. But I have read it, and 214 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.720 it gives you a window into what was the attitude 215 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.080 of Christianity in the fourteen hundreds in Byzantium. And where 216 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.720 you're gonna notice is it's exact same attitude that you 217 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:12.720 get in orthodoxed Christianity today. And that book is about 218 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:17.720 our participation in the mysteries, namely the sacraments. That is 219 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:21.519 how you live the life in Christ. You don't live 220 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:25.080 it by a mental assent to a new bunch of propositions. 221 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.039 Oh I was formerly believing in the Quronic propositions and 222 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:32.440 now I believe in the Bible propositions. No, no, it's 223 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:38.360 a life lived sacramentally. None of these people promote a 224 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:46.440 sacramental life. Now they might say, oh, well, we believe 225 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.639 you could do whatever you want. Yeah, that's just as bad. 226 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:53.039 That's even worse, who ever thought or gave the impression Again, 227 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.159 name a person in the first thousand years that taught 228 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:04.279 a church less apologetic. There's not one. It doesn't exist. 229 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:06.519 In fact, we're going to look at some quotes today 230 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.080 that demonstrate that. We're going to see the attitude of 231 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:13.519 the church throughout that time period, and you're going to 232 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:15.799 notice that low and behold, the Orthodox Church has the 233 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.639 same view. Let's start with the Creed. And we all 234 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.279 know the Creed says one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, 235 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.200 and we know how the Cappadocians interpreted that. They interpret 236 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.039 they're the ones that helped author that section a Constantine 237 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:34.240 one and added to the original Nicene Creed. Well, here's 238 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:39.320 an icon, and this is the icon commemorating the fathers 239 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.679 of the six Ecumenical Councils, the first six before the seventh. 240 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:52.080 And you'll notice that there's nothing Calvinists are Lutheran about this. 241 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:56.000 And when we go read the councils, there's nothing Calvinist 242 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.919 or Lutheran about these. In fact, we saw last night 243 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:07.680 that the Canons of Nicea, for example, talked about the Eucharist, 244 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.960 talked about excommunication, that talked about the threefold office of presbyter, deacon, presbyter, bishop. 245 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:18.400 They talked about, uh, the offering of the Eucharist as 246 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:23.480 an oblation of sacrifice, et cetera, et cetera. And I 247 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.559 want to call attention to another fascinating thing that almost 248 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:31.240 nobody talks about, and hopefully with the epilogue is included 249 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:54.039 here let's see. Oh wait, maybe it's at the end. Okay, yeah, 250 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.640 here we go. So this is a local synod. We're 251 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.799 just using this as as one example. And Gangra is 252 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:05.000 like three between three twenty five to three eighty. So 253 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.160 right after Anicea there was a local sin I called 254 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.920 the Council of Gangro. And we're going to notice something 255 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.400 interesting that Protestants never want you to discuss or never 256 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.680 talk about. So after all these canons was by the way, 257 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.759 many of them include canons that are very similar to 258 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.559 what you see and I see obviously there's canons about 259 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:31.839 monastics living a life of virginity, canons about the priesthood. 260 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.880 I think there's canons about the Eucharist as well. I'm 261 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:42.640 going from memory, if anyone shalking in marriage, letting me 262 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.559 be anathema. So you had the Gnostics still promoting tations 263 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.519 type views I think, or somebody else's views. I think 264 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.920 Tation ended up condemning marriage. But look at the epilogue. 265 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:56.480 So after all the canons, and by the way, notice 266 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:02.640 the fasts and the feasts. If anyone condemns the feasts 267 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:06.880 of the martyrs in the liturgy and the commemoration of 268 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.400 the saints, let him be an aathema. You see Canon twenty. 269 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:16.599 So this is right after Nicia. The local Synat of 270 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:24.119 Gangra is excommunicating heretics that would condemn sainthood, martyrs, commemoration 271 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.400 of martyrs, and thus by extension their intercession. Now this 272 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:32.880 is the pet doctrine that gay pe Uncut incessantly talks 273 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.480 about as if there's no patristic evidence, even though it's 274 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.640 right here in the Council of Gangra because they're commemorated 275 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.799 in the liturgy. Now, what's the epilogue. This is one 276 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:44.519 of my favorite parts. And I remember when I was 277 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:47.079 a Protestant and I was trying to grapple with this 278 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:52.039 back in the day. I had a hard time with 279 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.720 this one. It says, thus we write not to cut 280 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:58.720 off those who wish to lead in the Church of 281 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:01.039 God in aesthetic life. But who want to carry on 282 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:05.000 a pretense of asceticism. So this local synod, which is 283 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.079 still a very prominent local sent on in the early Church, 284 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.160 it was actually dealing with radical asthetics, people that wanted 285 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:15.319 to eschew all marriage. Right again, the thing that Paul says, 286 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:17.480 you know, there will be false teachers coming and they 287 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.440 will forbid marriage. And so this is still going on 288 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:23.079 in the three hundreds, and that's why this local senat 289 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.079 is dealing with this. And it goes on to say, 290 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:32.759 these people exalt themselves above those that live simply and 291 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:36.279 against the scriptures and the ecclesiastical canon. So notice right here, 292 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:40.119 by the fourth century, there's already an understanding of a 293 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:44.559 connection between the interpretation of the scriptures in church law 294 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:49.599 or ken in law. So there is no diy. Everybody's 295 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.640 got their scrolls and they're doing private interpretation. Like goober, 296 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:56.799 Protestants think, there is the scriptures and then there is 297 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:03.160 the canonical ecclesial legal interpretive that the church gives. We 298 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:08.480 admeyer virginity with humility, and we have regard for continents. 299 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.720 But you can't take an extreme view, is essentially what 300 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:14.240 this says. Now, let's go down to the bottom here, 301 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:19.039 because this is the key point. We approve the gathering 302 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:21.680 together in the church for common profit, and we bless 303 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.240 the charities done to the brethren and to the poor 304 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:27.440 according to the traditions of the church. And to sum 305 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.000 up in a word, we wish that all things that 306 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.680 have been delivered by the scriptures and by the Apostolic 307 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:38.720 traditions be preserved in the churches. Why would this early 308 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.440 on the Council of Gangra say this because they weren't 309 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:47.079 solo scriptura. Yes, there is a high view of the scriptures, 310 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.920 but there is still not at this late or at 311 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:56.000 this early stage, a universally recognized Canada scripture. And yet 312 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.079 how are they preaching the gospel and existing as an institutional, 313 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.319 skiple hierarchical church. Oh, because of Apostolic tradition. The Council 314 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:07.559 of Gangras says it right here. And as a Protestant, 315 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:09.319 I had a hard time with this passage. I didn't 316 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.519 know what to do with this. I'll show you. Look, 317 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:20.039 here's my church Fathers set. This is the seven Ecumenical 318 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.440 Council's volume. As you can see, it is worn down. 319 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.279 As you can see, I did actually read it, and 320 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.359 here's my notes back when I was a Protestant. Uh oh, 321 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.839 why are they talking about Apostolic tradition as part of 322 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.079 the paradigm for the scriptures? Uh oh, this was hard 323 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:46.279 for me. Now let's look at another synim around the 324 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:50.920 same time, and we'll review a couple of the nice 325 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:53.519 Seene ones too. Now, when I was a Protestant, the 326 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:55.119 only thing I could come up with at this time 327 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:57.920 when I was challenged with this one, was well, uh, 328 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.200 this one is a local council, so it does doesn't 329 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:06.000 really count, says who if you're a Protestant. The local 330 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:10.160 council's not counting. Also applies to the ecumenical councils not counting, 331 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:11.599 because you can pick and choose what you want of 332 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:23.200 those as well. So we come over here and I'm 333 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:27.920 showing you that the reason that church law matters is 334 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:30.680 not whether or not the church law is quote infallible. 335 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:39.920 That's not the point. The point is the canons give 336 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.799 us a better picture of the mindset of the church 337 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:47.119 in terms of totality, because it's a broader survey than 338 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.880 any individual church father. So just assuming that, oh, I 339 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.720 don't care what councils say, because I have this quote 340 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.960 from Augustine. That's just assuming that a single church father 341 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:01.839 is above a council. Well you don't know that yet. 342 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:08.680 What if if the orthodox paradigm's true, then the synod, 343 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.680 even if it's local, is above any single church father. 344 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:20.240 And obviously I'm not talking about fake heterodox synods. I'm 345 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.200 talking about the ones that are accepted as part of 346 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.920 the canonical tradition of the church. Are I said, let's 347 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:28.480 look at Lao Deicia because this is another local synod 348 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:34.559 and this was around three forty three, three point fifty. 349 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:40.839 All right, this is just this is not the synat itself. 350 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:54.079 Let's try this. Yeah, here we go. Canon six, it 351 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:57.119 is not permitted for heretics to enter the House of 352 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:03.319 God while they are in heresy. Does that sound like 353 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:11.319 anything that god logic Rid Vaughan or even the post 354 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:16.599 Vaticans who Protestant is Romanchollolic Church would hold to. Now, 355 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:22.359 obviously we don't copy paste read the canons without some 356 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:27.240 nuance or without some equantumia. So this is probably talking 357 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:33.519 about notorious public heretics, right, like Arius. We don't let 358 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:38.240 Arias come to church, right he's been excommunicated or someone 359 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.839 of that stature, right, because there's going to be people, 360 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.480 obviously who have wrong ideas who can come to church. 361 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:48.599 So this is talking about public known heretics obviously, otherwise 362 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.359 you couldn't identify who they were. So public known heretics 363 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:54.799 are not supposed to be attending the liturgy if they've 364 00:25:54.799 --> 00:26:07.759 been excommunicated. What Protestant Church upholds this persons converted from 365 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.359 the heresies that is out of the noovationists, the Botinians, 366 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.359 the Cordadas, Simians, whether they were catechumans or communicounts among them, 367 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.400 shall be received, not be received until they've anathematized all 368 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.279 of their heresies. So you understand, the attitude that we 369 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.759 have of people converting to the church is the exact 370 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.440 same attitude in the fourth century at the council at 371 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:31.000 the center of Leedisia. We are telling people to do 372 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:32.720 the same thing that they were telling them in the 373 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.519 fourth century to do. And they're mad because we're saying 374 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.680 there's no church less apologetics. There is no parachurch apologists 375 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.359 in the first thousand years, it doesn't exist. It's a 376 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:49.400 made up Protestant business model idea. Who called you to teach, 377 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:54.720 who catechized you, And in the case of Avery, he's 378 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.559 just taking all of the Orthodox ideas of the monarchy 379 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.079 of the Father and still acting as if, well, I 380 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.519 can be an Orthodox apologist while not being Orthodox, because 381 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.599 I'm not going to defend a church that Jesus said up. 382 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.960 I'm just going to defend Jesus. The idea of Jesus 383 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.200 as a divine son of God. Well, there is no 384 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.480 such thing as a bodyless Jesus, because the church is 385 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:20.480 the body. If you're not defending the Jesus that directed 386 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.960 people to his church, you're defending the wrong Jesus. You 387 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:24.920 might as well be defending the Mormon Jesus. At the 388 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.119 end of the day, even though the proposition is true, Yes, 389 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.400 Jesus is the son of God, and even though Avery 390 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.599 means that in the correct sense, if you're sending people 391 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:42.799 to judaizing sects, which is what Avery does, then it's 392 00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:48.119 scattering in vain, scattering. He that does not gather with 393 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.440 us scatters abroad. That's what Jesus says. Here's Avery sending 394 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:57.480 people to synagogues. Oh, I got radar. 395 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.519 Apologetics is actually a He's a Messianic rabbi. Here he 396 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:06.000 says that you can connect with him. He has a synagogue, 397 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:12.519 and okay, and so he disciples awesome, he's so so 398 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.960 radar apologetics. He says, this is the rabbit I'm talking about. 399 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.920 He says, we disciple online through zoom Bible study. 400 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.480 So notice how protestant this whole idea is. The church 401 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.640 is being discipled by a rabbi on zoom. You couldn't 402 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:36.279 get more Protestant than that pure proslot. So I don't 403 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.519 I'm not calling out Avery for cloud dummies. I don't 404 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:44.319 need Avery for clout. My metrics are double Avery's. I 405 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.039 don't need him. I'm calling him out because I care 406 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.359 about Avery, and I like and care about the people 407 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.599 in that sphere, and I don't want them going off 408 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.240 into stupid heresies. But notice the first thing they all 409 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.559 did was nobody addressed any of the actual arguments. For example, 410 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:08.119 name a paarachurch church list apologist in the first thousand years, 411 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.880 just name one. They just ignored all of the arguments 412 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.039 all and it's all about Jabad or throw bros Bad. 413 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.480 This is such a predictable response. This is all they 414 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.599 do every time, same thing. Muslims do, same thing, Roman 415 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:25.359 Catholics do, same thing as everyone else. Do I need 416 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:28.279 Avery for Clout. And the only reason people think this 417 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.279 is that he's got more subscribers on YouTube and TikTok. 418 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:35.240 Who cares about that? You can buy subscribers And I'm 419 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:36.519 not saying he did. I don't know if he did. 420 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.480 But what's a better measure of metrics. Something that's harder 421 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:45.319 to fake is the search? Okay, so let's look at 422 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.559 YouTube search and then only oh, why you crucial Bushebob Motris, 423 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.759 because they're trying to dunk and throw his metrics in 424 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:56.680 my face today. That's why look at this. In the 425 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:04.720 last year on web search, we're double avery almost always, 426 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:12.319 and when it comes to YouTube, we're equal. Why would 427 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:17.599 I need somebody that I'm already beating metrics wise for Cloud. 428 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:34.960 I don't need that for Clout. So then this whole 429 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:40.480 stupid drama today was just like next level ridiculous because 430 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.400 I don't even know who the Muslim was, all Right, 431 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.640 So some Muslim dude said, Dyer has a good point 432 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.200 because he's calling out God logic to and David Wood 433 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.640 to defend some actual church and some actual tradition and 434 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:01.400 not the easy grift of anti Muslim anity and church 435 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:06.279 list Jesus. And so then all of these people then make, 436 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.079 especially David Wood, their whole thing is, oh, he's a 437 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.640 Muslim sympathizer and supporter. He's with the muslims now. And 438 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:15.640 I don't think David would. Is that stupid? I actually 439 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.480 think he's just being very deceptive, and he's actually more 440 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:23.039 of a Sololenskyle style subversive because he has to know 441 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:27.079 that agreeing with a Muslim on a point about avery 442 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.720 not being honest, of course, that doesn't mean I support 443 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.440 the Muslim worldview. This is so retarded. That's like saying, 444 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.839 this is what leftist remember the leftists do this. Hitler 445 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.519 drank water, You drink water, you must be with Hitler. 446 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.680 The sky is blue? And I say, if a Muslim 447 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.400 says the sky is blue, and I say, yeah, right, 448 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.359 David Wood, Look, he supports Islam. That's literally what it 449 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:50.720 was as was today. And I'm like, what are you 450 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.599 even talking about. He's like, you know, this person supports 451 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.000 doxing and this and that, and I'm like, no, I 452 00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:57.599 don't even know who the person is. But what does 453 00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.880 that have to do with whether what he said was correct? 454 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.480 If Judas says and he's being obviously didn't believe it, 455 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.839 But if Judas went out with the apostles and preached. 456 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.519 If I say what Judas said was correct, assuming that 457 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.880 he said things correct, does that make me an Antichrist? 458 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.720 Judas goat. I'm supporting Judas because Judas said, I mean, 459 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.319 this is a genetic fallacy, or it's just fallacy of 460 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.839 guilt by association. And he has to know that that's 461 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.319 a fallacy, because he's on enough debates to hope surely 462 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.680 what he would know basic fallacies. So agreeing with somebody's 463 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.720 point is not an endorsement of the worldview. 464 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:41.799 But he knows. 465 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:43.680 And I'm beginning to think more and more of this 466 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.880 is what's actually going on. This is exactly like the 467 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.480 Christian Prince nonsense from last year. Remember that, Remember when 468 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.839 Christian Prince said he didn't know who Athenatious even was 469 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.559 and icons are idols, and he said, I don't care 470 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.319 who Athenasians is. What does that have to do with 471 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.960 me in my Bible? All of these people are under 472 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.160 a delusion, and it doesn't matter that they get a 473 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.880 lot of things correct, because the delusion furthers other people 474 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:15.440 into the delusion, who think I can create my own parachurch, 475 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:22.319 e church ministry, but they have no authority to do it. 476 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:28.200 There is no connection to the historical church whatsoever. And 477 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.680 the easy kill shot is, as I pointed out two 478 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:33.799 days ago, if the Church of the first thousand years 479 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.599 was exclusivists in its ecclesiology, and we're seeing that that 480 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:43.599 is the case, then you saying I reject all exclusivist 481 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.000 churches or claims means that you're not part of the 482 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.359 Church of the first thousand years. That's that simple, and 483 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.359 that's what Avery said. So people are saying, well, this 484 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:55.400 is old David Wood. Now Avery is also saying there 485 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.640 is no one true church. So notice the stumbling block 486 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:00.680 isn't just is Jesus the way the truth in the 487 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.720 life by extension. If there's one Jesus who had one body, 488 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.640 there's only one church in history. That's why Paul says 489 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.840 one Lord, one faith, one Baptism. That's why the Nicene 490 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.239 Creed says one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. These people won't 491 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.000 even tell you what church they're in who they don't 492 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.559 want to get dogs. They don't have to say the 493 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:23.280 specific building. They can say, I'm a representative of the 494 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:26.800 evangelical free Church. I'm a representative of Billy Bob Strip 495 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:30.159 mall Church. I mean, at least the IFB people say 496 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.840 we're in Stephen Anderson's cult. But none of these people 497 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.559 will actually even tell you what church they go to, 498 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.599 because there's no There isn't one. I mean, there isn't 499 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.320 one that they're defending, is what I'm saying. Maybe they 500 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:57.519 go to eve Agelical Church. Who knows. So these people 501 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.199 will live stream all week long with thirty viewers, and 502 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.280 then they'll get propped up by all these goobers just 503 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.559 because it's a racket. Dude, it's nothing to do with theology. 504 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:11.480 That's why Mahler and Christian King and this their little 505 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.719 boot foot soldier minions gay p They won't actually debate. 506 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.639 Everybody has asked them to do formal debates, and they 507 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.840 won't do it because it's not even about that. Mallory 508 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.039 or not. JP even said, I don't really care about theology. 509 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.320 Rouselan said the same thing, of course, not we saw 510 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:30.079 last night. The Peter Druckcker model is that dogma is 511 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.119 antithetical to a numbers game for megachurches, and they're all 512 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:39.920 using the Peter Drucker megachurch model. I thought this was 513 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.599 a funny little owned by the way cell phone. I 514 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:51.079 asked on YouTube the same question, any evangelical parachurch, epologist, 515 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.880 name one apologist or father or anybody as a representative 516 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:02.360 in the first thousand years who had a churchless apologetic 517 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.920 name one. Oh, there's not one. So they're all doing 518 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:14.440 a self appointed business church model. And it doesn't matter 519 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.960 if you get a bunch of things correct, because if 520 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.639 you're sending people to synagogues, it defeats the whole purpose. 521 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.920 You're sending them from one book worshiping sect to another 522 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:30.480 book worshiping sect. They went from Sunni Islam to Rabbinic Judaism, 523 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.480 but just Messianic. That's another heresy. A sect Judaizing is 524 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.280 the first heresy, that the first that the Church dealt with. 525 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.800 And of all people, scam Shamou comes out and says 526 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.000 that I'm actually corrector well, he has to because he 527 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.119 claims to be a Catholic, but he's just made up 528 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.599 his own invention of Apostolic Christianity of ancient churches, which 529 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:03.400 is a fallacy. Heresies are ancient, ancient, has nothing to 530 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.360 do with whether it's true or not. It is a 531 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.360 quality of the true Church. But you can have an 532 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.920 ancient heresy, does it make it true? Because it's all 533 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:27.119 that's the anachronous fallacy. So here are these heretics. Here's 534 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:34.079 this guy being an historian. And notice how they default 535 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.639 to Astorianism. She is not the mother of the person 536 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.920 of Christ. Way to be an historian, dude, call in, goober. 537 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.199 None of these people will call in. Now I lost it. 538 00:37:52.280 --> 00:38:07.960 Here we go, call in historian. We are live tweeting 539 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:15.159 for you guys, and we went for three hours last 540 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:23.559 night with only one guy that would actually debate. Okay, 541 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.880 so then we'll get back to the councils in just 542 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.800 one second. I mean, this is just such a leftist style, 543 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:36.320 effeminate projection here. They just respond with the way that 544 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.199 they think. Right. They think it's about numbers and clicks, 545 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.800 and when you find out that, oh, actually I have 546 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:48.199 bigger numbers than God, logic, that didn't even make any sense. Now, 547 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.360 notice how they talk about the four letter words and 548 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.719 piety signaling and then they turn around and do it. 549 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.679 So look at these evangelicals. These are the people talking 550 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:05.800 about how bad the Ortho bros. Are. By the way, 551 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.280 I did convert to Islam. Here's the proof. I'll be 552 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:14.400 taking my shahada. As you see Lewis exposed me years ago. 553 00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:19.519 Here's the proof. They tell David Wood he can clip 554 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.719 that and they can prove to their By the way, 555 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.440 their Adiq audience will believe this, because the whole grift 556 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:32.000 is target these Adiq Muslims, convert them to online e 557 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:36.559 church evangelicalism, and then you've got a ready made cult 558 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:41.239 of Adiq retard still and that's why they do it. 559 00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:46.599 That's I'm convinced that's why they do that model. And 560 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.159 by the way, notice that telling people that they have 561 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.400 to go to an Orthodox church and that they can't 562 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.360 just go to any church, that immediately becomes a problem 563 00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.360 for their model. That's why they won't do it. The 564 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.800 business model is more important, and growing the channel is 565 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:08.480 more important then whether or not there's one Holy Catholic 566 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:14.559 Gabastolic church. This is not that difficult. It's not rocket science. 567 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.920 I mean, you're either in this church or you're not. Timothy, 568 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:25.480 what's up? What's up? 569 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:25.599 Mean? 570 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:25.880 I'm you? 571 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.920 Oh, hey, Jay, I was just gonna call and let 572 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:30.519 you know, uh you let. 573 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:31.280 Me finish real quick. 574 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.239 I just want to give you a huge shout out 575 00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:33.599 and kind of. 576 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:34.519 Say, we're all here for you. 577 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:34.800 Man. 578 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.760 I think a lot of people been coming at you lately. 579 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.440 But dude, we love you. 580 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:39.960 You know. 581 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.400 Our parasocial relationship is that you're my friend. You have 582 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.039 no idea who I am, but in my mind, you 583 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.480 know you're my friend. Like Rachel Wilson and Andrew Wilson, 584 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:49.159 they're sticking. 585 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.079 Up for you too, We're all here for you. 586 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.639 And to be honest with you, like I want to 587 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:55.639 bring up historical point because you're bringing up you know 588 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:56.679 obviously that it's a grift. 589 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:58.039 It's like, well it always has been. 590 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.719 Right if you got back to the Iman War, which 591 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.679 I'm sure you have at least past interest in. 592 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:05.039 You know, the entire world. 593 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:11.039 Dog piled Orthodox uh, dog piled Orthodox Russia to stop 594 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.880 them from destroying the Ottoman Empire and liberating millions of Christians. 595 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.639 Why because it was their drift right. 596 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.599 No oh no, no, I'm making money off these guys. 597 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:22.760 No, no, no, I used them. 598 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.119 And that was Catholics, that was Protestants, you know what 599 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:26.440 I mean. 600 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.480 You're talking about World War One, really before World War One. 601 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.000 That France jumped in there, England jumped in there. It's 602 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.719 nuts and they're gonna sit here and say. 603 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:36.599 We're teaming up with Muslims. 604 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.880 It's like, nos, well, we're the victims of the Muslims. 605 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.599 The Orthodox Christian churches is the Antiochian bishop who was 606 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.559 killed by jihadists from now. 607 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.639 These guys are these guys are frauds, right. 608 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:49.719 They supported rising up. 609 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.119 So I don't want to hear about exactly exactly. I 610 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.480 appreciate that the Serbs have fought the Muslims for centuries 611 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.440 and they're going to act like where Muslim sympathizers because 612 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.760 of an online comment where I said he's correct criticizing 613 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:09.320 god logic. These people are retarded by the way. Notice 614 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.760 here Canon eight of Leodosea, persons that convert from heresy 615 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:18.599 amongst the Phrygians should be baptized and instructed by the bishop. 616 00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.079 So this heresy was notorious enough that they needed to 617 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:25.360 have special care with these heretics. Notice how different the 618 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.920 attitude of the church in the fourth century here right 619 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.559 after Nicia. How different that attitude is from these goobers 620 00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:34.960 who think that there's a churchless Jesus and you just 621 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.800 send them to whatever church. What does this terminology sound like? 622 00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:43.119 They would be calling all the people at Nicea and 623 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:49.719 Laodicea and Gangra orthobros now Heffala, who's the famous commentator 624 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.920 on canon law, says, this synod is actually dealing with 625 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.000 the invalid baptisms of the Montanists. Montanus had in fact 626 00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:01.000 created an entirely weird different version of baptism, and so 627 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:07.360 the economia here didn't count. There wasn't economia here because 628 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:11.360 Demontanus had so mutilated the theology and the form of 629 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:16.119 baptism that the baptism is not valid. And my point 630 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.000 there is that's the rigor that you hear us talk about. 631 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:24.039 We don't automatically de facto grant that everyone has baptism, 632 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.119 nor did the Church of the early centuries, which is 633 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.400 the same view as the Orthodox, telling you that we 634 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:36.880 have the same view as they do as the fathers. Now, 635 00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.519 look at Canon nine. Let's see if this is an 636 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:48.440 acumenius canon. The members of the church are not allowed 637 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:52.119 to meet at cemeteries, nor attend the martyaries of heretics. 638 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.360 You cannot pray at the heretics services. And notice they're 639 00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:02.159 doing intercessory prayers sat intercestsory prayers, which shows they believed 640 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.840 it at this time. Refuting gay Pee, and they're saying, 641 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.360 if you go to the martyrs of the schismatics and 642 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:14.719 the heretics, you're excommunicated. Does that sound like the ecumenist 643 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.719 e Christianity of these frauds and these people doing their grift. No, 644 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:24.519 it's what Orthodoxy says. Now, maybe you disagree, you don't 645 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.239 like all this, fine, just admit that you don't believe 646 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.639 the Church of the First Ayls. Just admit your position 647 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:37.079 is Anabaptist. I will respect the Anabaptists more than these 648 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:42.239 people because the Anabaptists, who are absolutely insane lunatics, they'll 649 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.320 at least admit this is not the right church and 650 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.920 this is the Orthodox Catholic type stuff, and we don't 651 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.039 like that. That's Antichrist. So all of these people are heretics. 652 00:44:52.199 --> 00:45:00.880 They're more consistent than you on this point. Ca members 653 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.400 of the Church shall not indiscriminately marry their children to heretics. 654 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.599 Imagine God Logic saying that. Imagine David Woods saying that. 655 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:13.840 Imagine Wes Hoff saying that they can't say that because 656 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.760 there is no visible body that can say who's in 657 00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.639 and who's out. Because everybody's in, oh except Mormons. Why 658 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.559 because you will believe in the triunity. You don't believe 659 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.280 in the trinity. You believe in the Protestant Martin Luther 660 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:32.000 august Ainian Trinity. You don't believe in the Orthodox Constant 661 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:40.760 Anthon noble one Trinity. What are you talking about? Female presidents? 662 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.000 Canon eleven presiders are not to be appointed in the 663 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:52.679 church presbytides. No female priests. Protestant Charismatic churches are full 664 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.559 of them. Now. Remember this is also because the previous 665 00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:03.639 canons we're dealing with the Montanus and the Montanus were 666 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.199 the first heresy in the early Church who believed in 667 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:11.920 an ongoing, continuous divine revelation. They ended up snagging Tourtullian, 668 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.679 who apostatized and became a Montonist. They were also some 669 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.880 of the first to promote women pastors, women preachers, and teachers, 670 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:25.320 so they were early feminists. Okay, well, Canon eleven of 671 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:35.639 Leo Deicia already says absolutely not. By the way, this 672 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.079 is also showing that they wouldn't want a continuing office 673 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:47.760 of the deaconess, also not necessary. Canon twelve bishops are 674 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.800 to be appointed by the ecclesiastical government and the judgment 675 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:56.119 of the Metropolitans and neighboring bishops after they've long proved 676 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.960 their foundation in the faith and conversation of an honest life. 677 00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.880 The only Protestants who could even pretend to say that 678 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:10.119 statement are Anglicans, and they're all full gay, so they're 679 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:19.119 already done what Protestant could say that. And by the way, 680 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.360 it refutes Roman Catholicism and shows that they didn't have 681 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.679 a papal idea because in the Roman Church after the 682 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.840 Middle Ages, the pope appoints every bishop in the world. 683 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.920 How come there's no mention of the pope appointing any 684 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:41.039 bishops here. How Come it's local and decentralized. Canon thirteen. 685 00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.400 The decision of those who are to become priests is 686 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:50.000 not committed to the lay people. Protestantism is a bottom 687 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.119 up theology. The whole thing is premised on the idea 688 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.840 that the laity create their own priesthood in church. And 689 00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.920 notice right here that's cut off at the cinema late 690 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.840 to see you by noting that, no, no, this is 691 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.440 not a democratic organization to bottom up where you just 692 00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:12.039 decide to become a priest. Every Protestant preacher has decided 693 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:32.079 to become his own priest. But what I wanted to 694 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:36.880 note was Canon nine. 695 00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:40.480 Note that. 696 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.960 The celebration of the martyrs and their intercession and their 697 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:52.599 feast days already exists, and you cannot do it amongst 698 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:59.920 the heretics. That means there's one true, holy Orthodox, visible 699 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:13.519 Apostolic Church. Now there's a longer form I think of these. Yeah, 700 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:20.360 thirty three, check this one out. Thirty one is not 701 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:30.880 lawful to make marriage with any kind of heretic Canon 702 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.320 thirty three. Look at this. No one shall join in 703 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:41.079 prayer with heretics and schismatics. So what Protestants don't understand 704 00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:45.840 this is a key point here, is that heresy and 705 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:53.599 schism only makes sense in terms of canonical limitations, canon law, 706 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.440 And since Protestants don't have canon law, there's no sense 707 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.480 to the idea them being able to judge who is 708 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:07.119 and isn't a heretic. For the Orthodox, the canonical churches, 709 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:11.119 the ones that follow and are in communion, that follow 710 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.440 the canons and the canons, but why are not interpreted 711 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:16.920 by the individuals are interpreted by the bishops, as Trolo says. 712 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:21.320 And Trolo says, the bishops have the authority to titan 713 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:31.360 or laxina laxing up, make a word up the application 714 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.519 of the canons, not the laity and not the priests. 715 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:42.519 The bishops have the authority to do that. But how 716 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:47.599 is a heretic or schismatic determined canonically? Those that are 717 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.119 not in the canonical church are the heretics, and the 718 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:55.679 schismatics do not forsake Christian martyrs and turn to false 719 00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.400 martyrs amongst the heretics. This is why I said that 720 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.079 may angered all the Cops. I said, Orthodox, we can't 721 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.960 accept Coptic murdyers. I'm sorry, I'm just being faithful to 722 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.280 my tradition. And then, like the Muslims that they are, 723 00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.599 the Coptics all lost their mind and tried to and 724 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:17.719 they acted like the Muslims that they are. Christians must 725 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:21.599 not forsake the Catholic Church of God and go away 726 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:27.000 invoking angels, gathering assemblies, et cetera. So this is thinking, 727 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:32.559 you can't go into weird angel theology and rites. You 728 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.880 cannot enter the priesthood and be a magician, an occultist, 729 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.480 et cetera. It says mathematician, but at that time that 730 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:43.840 just meant a person that was associated with sigils, right, 731 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:50.599 It is not lawful to participate, we'll say, in the 732 00:51:50.679 --> 00:52:01.480 feasts of Jews and heretics. By the way, if it's 733 00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.519 not lawful to participate in the feast of Jews and heretics, 734 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:09.199 how does that comport with Rid Vaughan and David Wood's 735 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:21.119 rabid Zionism. No one amongst the priesthood or the clergy 736 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:24.280 may travel without letters that are canonical. This means that 737 00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.960 you get permission to so that you don't invade and 738 00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:29.679 go into other people's jurisdictions. That's what this is talking about. 739 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.440 Look at Canon forty four. Women may not go to 740 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:38.920 the altar. Protestants don't have an altar. What Protestants are 741 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:41.880 forbidding women to be at the altar and on the altar? 742 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.639 None of them because there is no altar. So who 743 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.639 has the church that's the same as the Church of 744 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:54.239 the fourth century. We do, and it's also not the 745 00:52:55.199 --> 00:53:00.679 basically a humanist, apostate Vatican two church right now, that's 746 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:02.840 just lao to see it. So we've just looked at 747 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:09.199 two local synods as example texts of the mindset of 748 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.440 the Church in the fourth century. Both of those are 749 00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:19.719 right after Nicia, right And as a review, we'll look 750 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:28.920 back at the Canons of Nicia really quick, because most Protestants, 751 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:32.360 who are of course largely typically ignorant, they think, oh, 752 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.719 I believe the Council of Nasia because I love Athnatius 753 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.519 and he just taught the dude who chrish. No, that's 754 00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:40.559 not all he taught. That's not all Nicia teaches either, 755 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.159 by the way, so we'll note in the Canons of 756 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:50.480 Nicea one three twenty five there's limitations on who can 757 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:55.199 become clergy based on the canons at that time. In 758 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.960 other words, if you castrated yourself like origin did, you 759 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.000 cannot be among it's the clergy canon one. Have you 760 00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.760 ever heard of anything like this that do Protestants even 761 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.239 have canon law? Of course not, then they're not in 762 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.880 line with the church, the basic functioning of the church. 763 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:18.079 And at Nicea, which they all claim to love, the 764 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:22.400 whole Protestant the evangelical ethos is just based on you 765 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.199 being ignorant. The whole thing is based on you not 766 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.599 actually seeing and knowing what they actually said at Nicia. 767 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.400 And once you go and look, you can either become 768 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.159 a reform a radical reformation person that said the church 769 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:42.519 died like Ann Lee, George Fox Paul Washer or you 770 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:49.320 become Catholic Orthodox and if you become Catholic, we got 771 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:51.360 about a thousand videos on the problem that you're going 772 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:57.559 to encounter that way. So, uh, let's say we've got 773 00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:04.159 any callers. Michael, what's up? Michael? 774 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:04.320 Was? 775 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.400 I mean, hey, Jay, how are you doing good? 776 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:10.760 Yeah? 777 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.679 I like to just stay I'm with you on this. 778 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.719 I kind of see like this is just pure craziness, 779 00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:20.960 like comparing us to Gie Hottis. 780 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:24.760 Now, I think he knows better than that. He's just 781 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.159 reaching for the most. He knows it is low IQ 782 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:33.559 audience will uh fall for emotional appeals and guilt by association. 783 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:35.719 I mean the entire audience that he has is like 784 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.239 evangelicals that have converted out of Islam. So that's it. 785 00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:42.880 That's what they respond to, emotional appeals and guilt by association, 786 00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.159 not argumentation and logic impacts. 787 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:48.880 Well, I'm going to be heading. 788 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.119 Yeah, I'm planning to head because I live in California 789 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:57.039 to Saint Herman of Alaska Monetary, the same monastery Saint 790 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:01.000 Terre from Rose was that and and I want to 791 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:03.559 see if I could bring back something with me so 792 00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:04.320 I could send it to you. 793 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.679 Uh, Yeah, hope you have a good time. That's cool. 794 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:10.840 I've heard good things about that place. I've never been 795 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.960 there myself, but I did really enjoy many years ago 796 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.440 the roc Ord Cathedral in San Francisco where they have 797 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.800 the relics of Saint John. That was really cool. Christopher, 798 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:30.639 what's up? Christopher? Quit the fuck goo? 799 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:33.519 Can you hear me? 800 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:39.119 So I'm doing Christopher? And Tony go ahead, Hey, what's up? 801 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:39.400 Jay? 802 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:41.360 I have two quick things. 803 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:46.320 So the first thing is all these Protestant grifters who 804 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.760 do their like apologetics and say, oh, just become a 805 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.039 Christian and he's like, okay, well, you know they're they're evangelical. 806 00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:55.679 So what kind of church should they go to? 807 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:59.039 Should they go to Gavin Ortland's you know, Calvinist church 808 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.400 or do I did they. 809 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:00.760 Go to the church? 810 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:02.679 No, they need to be under, they need to be under. 811 00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.800 They need to be under doctor Russell Moore and Gavin 812 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.639 Ortland's gay pastor Alberry or whatever. That's that's the true church. 813 00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:12.239 The true church is the butt clapping pastors. 814 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.239 That just makes me so sick because people watch them 815 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.280 online and they're like, oh, they're so big, they're converting Muslims. 816 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.719 And it's like the Muslim walks into the charismatic churches. 817 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.800 Yeah, exactly become a Christian. Yeah, they convert them from 818 00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:30.679 Islam to UH, from one book worship to another book worship. 819 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:41.000 Ref Beasy, what's up? By the way, you notice when 820 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.400 you read these cannons, Oh, they sound like the mean 821 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.440 Arthur bros. Don't they? They sound just like the mean 822 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:52.559 Artho bros. What's up? Ray Beazy? What's up? 823 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.480 I mean, Hey, I was looking at some of the 824 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.480 West hosts hosts, and it was I think it was 825 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.840 where when he blocked you, he said, letting no unwholesome 826 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.000 word proceed from your mouth. Well, then he turns around 827 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.079 it says he just happened to run into sam Olberry 828 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.000 when he was there for Sean Ryan. But if you 829 00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.599 look at his picture, he's standing right in front of 830 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:17.960 sam Olberry's church. 831 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:23.280 Mmm, so he didn't actually he didn't actually just happen 832 00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:26.639 to run into him. They were he was at his church. Yeah, 833 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:28.960 so it sounds like West half lying. 834 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:31.719 I mean, isn't that unwholesome? 835 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:33.039 Lying? 836 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:38.199 Yeah, that's unwholesome? Yeah, great, great, find great notice I 837 00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:40.159 didn't know that yet. Most of these people, by the way, 838 00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.079 I've noticed over the year, like, you can't actually believe 839 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.840 half of what these people say. I mean, evangelicals are 840 00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:52.400 very notorious for, uh, the nice friendly face and then 841 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:56.559 the absolutely just nasty snake behavior in the background. George, 842 00:58:56.599 --> 00:59:04.559 what's up? So you'll notice? Look, I know, people, this 843 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.760 is the traditions of men in the Book of Acts, 844 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:11.719 in Acts fifteen, the exact same pattern of a council 845 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:17.320 deciding an issue and laying out a pattern of canon 846 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:21.760 church law. In Acts fifteen, they say, we decide this, 847 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.159 Let this letter be sent to the churches. This is 848 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.880 the decision. That's the pattern of all of these other synoles. 849 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.679 That's what the church is. What's up, man? 850 00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:32.639 Hey, j can you hear me? 851 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:33.280 I'm in my car. 852 00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.079 I don't know if the MIC's on. Yes, I can. 853 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:36.079 Yeah. 854 00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:39.159 So I was thinking of a solar scripture the other day. 855 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.159 You know, I converted to Orthodoxy a few months ago, 856 00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:44.760 and you know in the in the broadestant world, they 857 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:48.400 have this doctrine or this idea where it's ongoing reformation. 858 00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.920 Correct, absolutely, yeah, And that's why I'm. 859 00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.920 Guessing that's open to the canon always being revised and reviewed. 860 00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.119 Maybe they have an extra book or they're missing books. 861 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:01.440 They're basically they have they have to admit that, but 862 01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:03.000 they don't want to admit that point. You mean, they 863 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:06.199 can't have scripture exactly so, and the problem with that, 864 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.280 the very evident problem with that. I mean, I'm sure 865 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:09.800 you already know this, but just dawned on me the 866 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:10.239 other day. 867 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.280 I mean, if Solar Scriptura is saying that the Canon 868 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:18.199 ultimately is the only source infallible authority, but they have 869 01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:21.239 to also admit that it's always being open for revision, 870 01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.400 that means their only authority is technically compromised and always 871 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:25.199 open for revision. 872 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.920 Yeah, that's what I was arguing to the Baptist guy. Okay, yeah, 873 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.440 I watch that debate. Yeah, and he said, I said, 874 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:33.719 don't you think the canon is If you think the 875 01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.360 canon is fallible, could it be different? And he was like, oh, 876 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.480 I guess so, yeah, And I got one more question, 877 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:41.159 if you got time for it. So the Word of God, 878 01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.599 that's hold on. Notice how silly that is with his 879 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:47.480 argument that the k KJV is an eternal book in heaven. 880 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:49.920 And then he turns around and says that the cannon 881 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:50.440 could be wrong. 882 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.960 Yeah, yeah, that's ridiculous. 883 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.599 I mean, I didn't expect him to say that. I 884 01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:58.159 was hoping it was just like a misunderstanding going on. 885 01:00:58.280 --> 01:00:59.400 But he really does believe that. 886 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:03.159 Yeah, No, that's the Stephen. That's Stephen Anderson's cult. They 887 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:03.599 teach that. 888 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:05.480 Yeah, exactly. 889 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.920 I got one more quick question. It's a theological one. 890 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.199 You got time for it or you want to go ahead. 891 01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:15.000 This has to do with Old Testament sacrifice or what 892 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:16.840 was going on in the Old Testament when they would 893 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:18.840 offer up the I think the ram or of the goats. 894 01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:22.639 I forget in the Orthodox mindset, in our paradigm. 895 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.239 If because I used to believe in PSA, and I 896 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.960 used to always trace PSA back to the Old Testament 897 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:29.559 and say, oh, you can see it in the story 898 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.000 of Abraham and his son. You could see it in 899 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.960 Canaan Mabel. So how do what's going on in that sacrifice? 900 01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:37.679 In the Orthodox mindset? 901 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.920 They're simply typological. That's it. 902 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:42.199 Uh. 903 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.239 And by the way, if you watch watch the stream 904 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:48.519 that Cleve did with Father Stephen I'm excuse me, Alex 905 01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:50.519 did with Father Stephen de Young. It's like a four 906 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.880 hour stream where they just spent four hours on PSA. 907 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.000 Father Stephen Young is one of the best on that 908 01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:59.360 topic of the animal sacrifices. Go so go check that 909 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.000 stream out just looking. What's up? 910 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:04.599 Hey, Dian can you hear me? 911 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:08.000 Okay, hey, I have a question for you, brother, But 912 01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:09.960 before I do, I just want to say God bless 913 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.840 you man and thank you. It's a big part of 914 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:17.559 my conversion from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy was your like 915 01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.280 complete dismantling of the system. I used to be comfortable 916 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.360 with that Sam Shamon Apostolic generic Church, and he just 917 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.320 made that intellectually untenable. So I just want to I 918 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.360 want to thank you, brothers, and I want to encourage 919 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:29.599 you to keep doing what you're doing. 920 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:30.280 I think it's great. 921 01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.599 And my question for you Jay, and I forgive me 922 01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:36.920 if it's a little off topic, but so if I 923 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:43.639 joined the Orthodox Church via the Ukrainian Orthodox Church under 924 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:49.159 the patriarch of Bartholomy, the ec medical patriarch right, and 925 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:51.440 you know they have beef with the Russian Church. 926 01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:52.559 I know that you're in the. 927 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:54.599 Russian Orthodox Church, But. 928 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:56.039 What does that mean to me? 929 01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.639 Like, as I've been Orthodox is December twenty twenty five, 930 01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:01.519 Like what should I not? 931 01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:05.199 It has no effect on you until there's an official 932 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:10.639 breaking of excommunication. So it's been many many periods in 933 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.719 history of the Church when various patriarchs were out of 934 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:17.119 communion with other patriarchts and nobody held the laity accountable. 935 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:20.000 The only time it would become a situation and be 936 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.599 accountable would be if there is a giant split in 937 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:28.960 the church. If the MP and other patriarchates excommunicate Bartholomew, 938 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:34.199 then at that point, after the ex communication, the churches 939 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:39.039 on our side would not accept the sacraments of your side. 940 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:43.960 So until that happens, it's not a problem. Soul glow. 941 01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:46.719 What's up, dude? By the way, here I found the 942 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:51.079 patron saint of the online evangelical epologists. This is Saint 943 01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:55.360 Dunning Krueger of the Holy Shofar, and he's of course 944 01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:59.679 he's got a ruseln Godly Ambition T shirt and he's 945 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.280 got the John Hagey Show Far. So for those of 946 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:07.599 you that are evangelicals that are looking for transcendent help, 947 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:12.440 you can ask for the intercession. Tell tell gaypee and cut. 948 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:16.000 He can ask for the intercession of Saint Dunning Krueger 949 01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:17.440 of the Holy Show Far. What's up man? 950 01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:22.280 Hello? 951 01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:26.000 Yep, it was So what's going on, Jay? Can you 952 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:27.159 hear you? Yeah? What's on your mind? 953 01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:28.159 Uh? 954 01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:31.119 Hey, yeah, So I've been watching your stuff for a 955 01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:34.079 few weeks now. I'm like currently on a journey trying 956 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:35.920 to figure out really what the true church is. I 957 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:42.280 was raised Southern Baptist, kind of evangelical me too, yeah uh. 958 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.760 And you know, I was looking around and I only 959 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:49.599 really ever knew of was the beast between the Protestant 960 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.559 Church and perhaps maybe the Catholic Church. 961 01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:54.719 I always thought it was just either or with those two. 962 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.639 I never even heard about then, idea of an Orthodox 963 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.079 church that followed tradition that wasn't Catholic up until my 964 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:06.440 mid twenties or even recently. And I'm just really curious 965 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:08.239 and I want to kind of get your perspective on it. 966 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.039 And I know I can just google it maybe, But. 967 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.199 What I guess I don't understand really because the more 968 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:16.119 research I do, the more I'm seeing that a lot 969 01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:18.320 of this Orthodox he's rooted in real history that we 970 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:21.000 can trace, and a lot of this Baptist stuff and 971 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:23.440 you know, these trip Molle churches don't really do the same. 972 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:29.119 But what I don't understand, why why not just be Orthodox? 973 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.519 If you're going to be Baptists and go with most 974 01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.119 of the right teachings but then not take some of 975 01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:38.000 the extracurricular things from other apostles. 976 01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:41.800 Or well, I mean there's there's again, there's like a million, million, 977 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.519 myriad reasons why a person might not convert. They might 978 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.119 have family members they don't want to upset. They might 979 01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.719 have a wife a husband that will get mad if 980 01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:54.360 they get into it. They might lose their income. They 981 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.159 might have an ideological ego commitment to having a thousand 982 01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.920 Protestant scholar books that they I mean, there's a million 983 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.000 different reasons why they wouldn't convert. 984 01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:07.559 The maybe perhaps invested too much in their life. I 985 01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:12.440 guess yeah, sun can cause intellectually dishonest, having so much 986 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.559 information available that they would perhaps refuse to even look 987 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:15.800 at this. 988 01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:18.920 Well that's why, yes, that's why so many people are converting. 989 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:23.239 I appreciate your call is because it takes like two 990 01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:25.519 seconds to go look on New Advent and see what 991 01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:27.960 the Canons and Icea teach and guess what they don't 992 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:31.639 teach Baptist stuff. So there you go, so so much 993 01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.719 for I'm in line with the Church fathers and Athanasius 994 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:39.119 at Nicea. So let's look at a couple more canon too, 995 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:43.599 and Icea says, if you convert out of Heathenism, things 996 01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:46.119 should still be done according to the church canons, the 997 01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:49.039 church law. Okay, slow boys, this is not talking about 998 01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:52.079 the Bible canon. This is church cannon. There's canon law 999 01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:54.960 before there's Bible canon. Do you guys even realize that 1000 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.199 the church is working in an apostolic tradition before there's 1001 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:05.800 even a Bible collected together. So the people that are 1002 01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:11.360 converted from Heathenism, they have to be instructed. This is 1003 01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.760 the catechumenate, and it says do not immediately advance them 1004 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.159 to the episcope or the priesthood. You need to be 1005 01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:24.719 in the church for a while before you become a 1006 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.119 priest or a bishop. That's what this is saying right here. 1007 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:35.719 And catechumens need a longer trial. Citing Saint Paul, do 1008 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:39.280 not let a novice be converted, because in pride he 1009 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:44.039 will be lifted up. How much more applicable is this 1010 01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:49.760 to the online e apologist's sphere, who are all self 1011 01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:59.400 appointed preachers and teachers, And notice the threefold office of priest, bishop, 1012 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.440 And then later this it'll say right here in Kennon three, 1013 01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:09.679 we forbid any bishop, priest deacon to have women living 1014 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:15.199 with them that aren't mothers or sisters or wives. See 1015 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:29.399 that right there, Isaac, what's up? There's no Protestant churches 1016 01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.479 except for maybe some Lutherans and some Anglicans that have 1017 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:39.720 bishop priest deacon. Right there, you can see you don't 1018 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:42.960 have the ecclesial structure of the church at the Council 1019 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:44.680 of Mesa. What's up, man, Isaac? 1020 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:46.319 Hey ca hear me? 1021 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:46.760 Huh. 1022 01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.399 I just had a couple of questions. 1023 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:54.199 Most I'm not Orthodox, but I've been going to my 1024 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.000 local parish for a little over months now and I've 1025 01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:00.439 been able to talk with the father there about getting 1026 01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:04.640 into catechy system, being a catechumen and Uh. One of 1027 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:07.880 the things that's the best difficult for me, I come 1028 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:09.760 from a non denominational background, is. 1029 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.079 Knowing that this is the right thing to do. 1030 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:18.760 But I I'm unable to bring everyone I can. 1031 01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:23.039 Love about with me to it. Well, I mean that's 1032 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.600 just part of the nature of the Gospel. I mean, 1033 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.680 Jesus says I came not to bring peace, but a 1034 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:31.800 sword to divide one household against the household against itself, 1035 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:35.159 mother against father, children against parents, et cetera. So that's 1036 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.800 just part of it, man, and you can, you know, 1037 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:39.720 continue to pray for them and eventually you might win 1038 01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:45.359 them over spacelift. What what's up? By the way, do 1039 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:46.960 we have any evangelicals that disagree? 1040 01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:48.520 Hey? 1041 01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:49.399 Can you hear me? 1042 01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:51.560 First? 1043 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:55.319 I say that Mormon faith live. 1044 01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:57.760 Thang is a fire song? 1045 01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:00.520 Thank you, but thank I just. 1046 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.479 Wanted to ask what do you think about the pope audience? 1047 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:03.840 Haul? 1048 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:06.319 Have you ever like seen it? 1049 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:11.439 What do you think about that? I mean it could 1050 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:17.000 have been I mean it's obviously a bro it's obviously 1051 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:21.079 a modernist style of architecture, and it does kind of 1052 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:23.479 look like a snake. And whether they intended that I 1053 01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:26.239 don't know, but that's not got what I'm gonna baseline 1054 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:32.359 anti rummy Catholic paple apologetics on debt these kings? What's up? 1055 01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.199 I'm you? Does does king? I'm you? 1056 01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:47.479 Can you hear me? 1057 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:47.600 Bro? 1058 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:48.640 Heah? What's up? 1059 01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:50.000 Hey? 1060 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.319 Thank you for taking my call? 1061 01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:57.520 So I want to ask a question about epistemology if 1062 01:10:57.560 --> 01:10:58.039 that's okay? 1063 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:05.520 Okay, So I believe you recommended it to me, like, well, 1064 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:08.560 not to me, but to your audience a while ago 1065 01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:13.960 about a website, the Stanford Cycle of Philosophy Encyclopedia or. 1066 01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:18.560 Something like that. Yeah, it's just a standard online philosoph cyclopedia. 1067 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:19.000 What about it? 1068 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:20.279 Yeah? 1069 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.239 Yeah, So I was working through that. 1070 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:28.600 There's an epistemology article on there, and pistemology goes whoy 1071 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.880 deeper than I initially thought. 1072 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.520 But correct me if I'm wrong, Jay, But is a pistemology. 1073 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:38.039 Epistemology is a study of like what truth is and 1074 01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:42.359 do you have good reasons to believe in what you 1075 01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:42.880 believe in? 1076 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:43.159 Right? 1077 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.199 Correct? Okay? 1078 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:47.920 So I read I watched a video a while ago 1079 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:52.039 on with this guy named reader Paul. 1080 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:57.479 He has a video about Protestant epistemology, and I believe 1081 01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:00.399 he says in his video that Protestants do not have 1082 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.920 any epistemic justification for their interpretation of scripture. 1083 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:09.000 But is that completely accurate to say that they. 1084 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:12.159 Don't have any justification or they just don't have a 1085 01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:16.000 good justification, Because the Protestant can say that, well, I 1086 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.640 believe in the sixty six books, I have good reasons 1087 01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.319 to believe in that based on you know. 1088 01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:22.119 X, Y, and Z. 1089 01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:26.399 But that's that could still count as a justification just 1090 01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:30.479 not as a thorough one as would be us orthonized Christians. 1091 01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:32.239 No, I don't even think I don't think we would 1092 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:37.079 even grant that that is a justification, because justification typically 1093 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:41.640 is JTB justified true belief if you go with the 1094 01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:44.439 classic view, which I think we typically would with some 1095 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:49.399 qualifications like the Gettier problem. But so, I mean, they 1096 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.880 are offering a justification, but whether it is a good 1097 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:54.760 justification is the very thing in question. 1098 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.920 Okay, But yeah, like I said, and I appreciate that, 1099 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.039 but they still have it's a bad justification, but it 1100 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:04.039 is a justification. 1101 01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:07.680 It would be inaccurate to say that's not a justification, 1102 01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:09.079 but it's just not a good one. 1103 01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:10.439 Does that make sense? 1104 01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:11.840 Well? 1105 01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:13.399 But I mean that's the whole thing, right, I mean, 1106 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:18.840 I can have if it's not a good justification, then 1107 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:21.600 it's really not a justification at all. That's the whole 1108 01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:25.119 point of epistemology, as you already said, is to hammer 1109 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:28.000 home the good reasons for a belief, not just any 1110 01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:41.560 old reasons. But great question. I appreciate that. Tingoo, what's up? Tingoo? 1111 01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:41.920 What's up? 1112 01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:44.279 Hey? What's up? Jane? 1113 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:44.760 How you doing? 1114 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:46.039 Hey? 1115 01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:49.880 If you let me, can I have maybe one or 1116 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.880 two minutes just to kind of give you a background 1117 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:54.079 story here on something. 1118 01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:57.479 Sure, okay, so. 1119 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:02.039 Yeah, I'll trend keep it really short. But thanks to 1120 01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:06.840 you and Jimbob especially. You know, I've been going to 1121 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:13.119 liturgy for about three four weeks now and super thankful 1122 01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:13.359 for that. 1123 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.279 But last Sunday I went to. 1124 01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:23.920 My mom's church, which is a Protestant Evangelical church, you know, 1125 01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:26.800 for Mother's Day, just to kind of honor my mother, 1126 01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:30.680 I decided, okay, I'll skip liturgy and go to her church. 1127 01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:34.239 When I got there, though, you know, it was just all. 1128 01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:39.640 The Protestant garbage, you know, they you know, the worship 1129 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:44.159 was just multiple guitars and drum kits. 1130 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:49.640 And stuff and just you know, they didn't take communion. 1131 01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:51.199 Or the Eucharist or whatever you want to call it. 1132 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:54.760 And then I was thinking afterward, you know, I've been 1133 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:57.680 watching and tuning into a lot of Jimbob stuff and 1134 01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.079 he doesn't really grant anybody a single inch when he 1135 01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:05.279 does debates, and it was just getting me thinking, and 1136 01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.720 I was like, why do we even grant Protestants the 1137 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:13.119 word church like Ruis Laan and his you know whatever 1138 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.720 R and B church, Like why don't we even grant 1139 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:16.600 them the word church? 1140 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.960 Well, technically, technically we don't, because if you go back 1141 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.760 to the Council of Florence, when Saint Mark of Ephesus 1142 01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:28.479 initially was invited and thought he had high hopes for 1143 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:32.479 the reunion, and in that setting he was talking about 1144 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:37.359 Rome and the possibility of Rome being reunited because of 1145 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:41.159 all the things that we had in common. However, after 1146 01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.560 that he referred to after he saw that that wasn't 1147 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:47.319 gonna happen, it was futile. He refers to them as 1148 01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:55.760 a parasynagogue, a heterodox synthity. Now that the Roman Catholics are, 1149 01:15:56.039 --> 01:16:03.159 after that situation, a heteroix non church entity, how much 1150 01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:07.479 more are the Protestants who don't even have any semblance 1151 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:16.800 of the foremarks of the church. So I forgot. There's 1152 01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:18.560 a couple more canons that we want to look at here, 1153 01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:20.840 and we're going to go to Nicea. We're going to 1154 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:27.319 go to the Apostolic Canons. So as we move through Nicea, 1155 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:31.880 we note that in Canon four bishops are supposed to 1156 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:36.560 be appointed by the local bishops in the province. Right, 1157 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:44.840 and there's some economia for urgent necessity for other situations 1158 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:50.119 being possible in this case, in emergency and whatnot, has 1159 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:54.640 to be eventually signed off on by the metropolitan, which 1160 01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:57.239 is the bishop of like the big city, the large 1161 01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:08.319 central thing. Where are the metropolitan bishops of the amongst Protestants? 1162 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:11.960 Is there anything like that? I've never even heard of that. 1163 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:15.079 And noticed, by the way, there's nothing about the Bishop 1164 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:18.479 of Rome confirming all the bishops in the world. 1165 01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:18.640 Here. 1166 01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:27.800 Canon five deals with cases of excommunication, how to deal 1167 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:31.439 with people excommunicated? Again, Protestants don't have that. Canon six 1168 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:36.000 is the ancient customs of the Bishop of Alexandria having 1169 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:39.079 a jurisdiction comparable to the Bishop of Rome, as well 1170 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:44.640 as Antioch having its comparable jurisdiction. And these are the three. 1171 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:50.239 These are three patrine sees right, Rome, Alexandria Antioch are 1172 01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:54.239 the ancient patrine sees. And this is according to what 1173 01:17:54.800 --> 01:18:00.880 ecclesiastical law right there. See that, and then it says, 1174 01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:04.479 let the choice of the majority prevail in certain situations 1175 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:11.640 when there's jurisdictional squabbles amongst these bishops and bishoprics. So 1176 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:16.920 Canon law and senidality right there, not Roman Vatican I, 1177 01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:20.600 Papalism and Canon six. But notice as our main point 1178 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.760 today is not about papism, but nothing like Protestantism at all. 1179 01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:28.880 All of those things that redeemed Zuomer and wes Hop 1180 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:32.159 and Rus Lawn and David Wood and all of these 1181 01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:38.279 people think Gavin Ortland are the accretions are there right 1182 01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:46.760 there at nice one. The next one is about people 1183 01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:52.800 who were lapsed in persecution. Talks about bishops, priest and 1184 01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:59.479 deacons again, excommunication again. Then there's another one about don't 1185 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:06.399 ordain the present to the priesthood too quickly, don't ordain 1186 01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:08.760 people that are ignorant. There's another one. 1187 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:15.479 Now. 1188 01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:19.680 Canon eleven is interesting because it talks about the sacrifice 1189 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:24.680 of the Eucharist and the prayers with the population or 1190 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:30.479 the congregation, and the oblation, which is the Eucharistic oblation. 1191 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:33.319 And we're going to see, by the way, in a minute, 1192 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:39.159 proof of the real presence as well. Let's see the 1193 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:50.520 next one is about military situation. Canon thirteen concerning those 1194 01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.720 that are dying. The ancient canon law is still to 1195 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:57.880 be maintained. So notice that, Nicia, they're already maintaining earlier 1196 01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:03.119 canon law church law to it that if a man 1197 01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:05.319 is at the point of death, he should not be 1198 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:10.439 deprived of the indispensable viaticum, and that's just Eucharist at deathbed. 1199 01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:12.720 That's your final rights. So notice that, and I see 1200 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:16.960 they're already talking about final rights. But if you're restored 1201 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:20.880 again to health, then he can also communicate, but in 1202 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.399 gener and prayers only. In general, in the case of 1203 01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:27.159 a dying person asking to receive the Eucharist, let the bishop, 1204 01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:32.880 after examination give it to him. The next one is 1205 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:42.039 about catechumans who fell under persecution. The next one is 1206 01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:46.239 about bishop, priest deacon moving outside of their jurisdictions and 1207 01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:54.760 that can cause scandal. Sixteen same thing. Bishops, priests and 1208 01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:58.720 deacons shall not go amongst all the other jurisdictions and 1209 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:02.880 cause problems in squad. Wait a minute, where's the exception 1210 01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:07.000 for the Bishop of Rome who has universal autocratic jurisdiction. Supposedly, 1211 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:15.840 Canon seventeen is about usury and clergy should invest engage 1212 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:18.439 in usury. Canon eighteen is about this is a great one. 1213 01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:22.039 Check this out. This proves a real presence. It has 1214 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:23.760 come to the knowledge of the Synod that in some 1215 01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:29.000 districts deacons administer the eucharists to the priests, whereas no 1216 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:34.720 canon or tradition or custom permits this. They have no 1217 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:39.479 right to offer to them that do the offering. So 1218 01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:42.960 the priest is the one that does the eucharistic offering. 1219 01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:47.640 Thus the deacon has no right to offer it to 1220 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:53.640 the higher since he's the lower. And also this has 1221 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:56.359 been made known that certain deacons touch the eucharists before 1222 01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:01.039 the bishops do. Oh interesting, that's not Protestant at all. 1223 01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:07.039 That's the real presidence coobers. Let all such practices go away. 1224 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.880 Let deacons remain within their own bounds. They are ministers 1225 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.319 of the bishop, and they are the inferior of the presbyter, 1226 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:19.079 Bishop priest deacon, the threefold office that the Orthodox Church 1227 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:25.359 still has. Notice it's not super bishop Rome, bishop priest deacon, 1228 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:29.640 it's not the fourfold office of Vatican one. It's just 1229 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:38.079 bishop priest deacon. Now check this out. Let them that 1230 01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:42.199 receive the eucharists according to their order after the presbyters, 1231 01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:45.840 and let either the bishop or the presbyter administer it. Furthermore, 1232 01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:51.359 let not deacon sit amongst presbyters, and if they disobey 1233 01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:54.319 this decree, they are deposed from the diaconate. Does that 1234 01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:59.920 sound like do it yourself? Bible Baptist, Presbyterian and Manu 1235 01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.880 Old Church theology. Does that sound like Rousselan's rhythm and 1236 01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:11.159 blues charts? Does that sound like rap charts? Be honest, chase, 1237 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:22.680 what's up? Hey? I got one for you. You remember 1238 01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:24.720 this has to do with like rustlan and stuff. 1239 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.399 You remember that old saying where it's like sticks and 1240 01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:30.000 stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. 1241 01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:37.119 I don't think they know about that. Uh well, isn't 1242 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:44.680 Rouselin from a supposedly rough gang lifestyle background, Like, seriously, 1243 01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:45.079 I don't. 1244 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:49.159 I think it's like feminism and all this enlightenment philosophy. 1245 01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:52.640 It's just baked in, like everybody's becoming a whimp. Yeah, 1246 01:23:52.640 --> 01:23:55.399 they're all faking gay dude, exactly. I think that's the 1247 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:59.439 root of it is that these boys are soft. I mean, look, 1248 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.239 if you you only care about what's true, which is 1249 01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:04.279 the assumption that we all have about each other. Right, 1250 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.880 We're all out here supposed to be submitting to what's true, 1251 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.840 why would you not even want to do a debate 1252 01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:16.039 and to lose if you have the wrong position. If 1253 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.079 I have the wrong position, I want to lose the 1254 01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:21.840 debate to be in the correct position. Because that's what 1255 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:34.399 ultimately matters. Your major point is justin Martyr that's one 1256 01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:37.279 point fifty. You call that early church? Yeah, I do 1257 01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:45.119 call that early church. Goofball, Dan, what's up, JOJ? 1258 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:45.720 Can you hear me? 1259 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:47.680 I got two questions. 1260 01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:51.960 First, if the priest spills the Eucharist and it's on 1261 01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:54.159 some carpet, you got to burn that carpet. 1262 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:57.520 They have to eat it up really quick. 1263 01:24:58.720 --> 01:24:59.960 Oh true, like lick it up. 1264 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:02.920 Yeah, that's what they do. Okay, I've seen them. I've 1265 01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:07.359 seen it. I've seen it happen in church lifetime. Absolutely. 1266 01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:17.520 Drego's what's up if they think there's particles that might 1267 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:21.439 burn it? I don't know, actually what the I don't 1268 01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:26.600 know exactly what the teaching on that is. But I 1269 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:30.600 mean saying, was it Saint John Maximovich somebody threw up 1270 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:32.920 one time and he ate the vomit because they threw 1271 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:36.119 up after the Eucharist. That's not the same thing as 1272 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.159 Margaret Mary Ala Coquay eating feces and vomit because she 1273 01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:42.359 thought it was a sign of humility. What's up, man? 1274 01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:47.560 Drego's, Oh, yeah, all this stuff, but like what do 1275 01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:50.760 you mean by like false? Like even because of them 1276 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:53.800 is like false what I mean about what what do 1277 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:57.680 you mean by like that? It's the evangelicalism is false, 1278 01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:58.680 Like what do you mean by false? 1279 01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:02.199 It's a false teaching, false religion, false gospel. 1280 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:06.119 So you seem like anyone who follows it is. 1281 01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:10.960 Like not saved or I can't judge the individuals because 1282 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:14.439 God can still bring those people. Salvation for us is 1283 01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:17.760 not praying the billy grand prayer. Salvation is did you 1284 01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:18.800 persevere until the end. 1285 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:25.119 So if you like them, he followed like the book 1286 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:28.439 to like exact tea, but you don't like follow the 1287 01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:30.880 actual church, but you're still trying. 1288 01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.119 There is no There is no following the book to 1289 01:26:34.199 --> 01:26:36.640 a t without the church, because the book directs you 1290 01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.439 to a church. But if the book tells, if the 1291 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.399 book tells you to go to the church, there's no 1292 01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:48.800 such thing as doing it without the church. Crombopolos, what's up? 1293 01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:54.039 But I thank you for your call. This is the 1294 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:59.279 whole point with this sphere. They want Jesus without his body, 1295 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:04.479 so they want a headless, floating, abstract Jesus and join 1296 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:07.560 whatever sect you want. It doesn't work. This is the 1297 01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:11.039 same problem that by the way, this has already happened 1298 01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:14.840 decades ago, even in the evangelical world. So back in 1299 01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:17.199 the day when Billy Graham was doing all of his 1300 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:24.439 big stadium preaching, and he actually would have people from 1301 01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:28.680 all denominations receiving the converts that would come down and 1302 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:31.960 pray the sinner's prayer. I'm being serious. And it became 1303 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:37.920 a huge scandal because the committed Protestant evangelicals were like, 1304 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:39.720 why do we have this Roman Catholic guy over here, 1305 01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:42.880 Why do we have this weird other sectarian over here 1306 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:46.279 receiving the converts? It makes no sense. It was a 1307 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:49.199 huge scandal, and there were books written back in the nineties, 1308 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:52.359 eighties and nineties calling out Billy Graham as a tool 1309 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:56.399 of the establishment because it was just preaching Jesus and 1310 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.199 creating all of these phonies. People who think to their 1311 01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:02.000 Christians because they also the sols come down the all 1312 01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:04.640 to say the soils prall. Why we'll give you a 1313 01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:07.000 hot sluss of pizza if you'll pray to Jesus and 1314 01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:09.760 your heart. Look, football, come into your hot right now. 1315 01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:15.439 The NFL will save you. Just nonsense, And then you 1316 01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:19.600 have billions of boomers, not billions, but you have a giant. 1317 01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:25.760 I don't know. Let's guess fifty million Boomers because of 1318 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.800 Billy Graham that think I'm a Christian because I prayed 1319 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:30.960 that Centner's prayer and I do what the hell I want. 1320 01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:33.680 Don't nobody tell me nothing about Jesus. 1321 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:35.720 I know Jesus, my heart. 1322 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:42.479 Crumbompalos. What's up? It's no different than It's no different 1323 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:46.359 than Avery. Avery's no different then Billy Graham. The only 1324 01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:50.319 difference is Avery's not telling emotional SAP stories like Billy 1325 01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:53.279 Graham did. He's just debunking Muslims. Okay, but that's not 1326 01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:57.600 what Christianity is. Christianity's not just debunking Muslims. What's up? 1327 01:28:57.640 --> 01:28:57.760 Man? 1328 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:00.159 Hey man, thanks for having me on. 1329 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:04.319 Been listening to your show for probably a little over a. 1330 01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:06.399 Year now and have become a big fan. 1331 01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:09.880 I think my first exposure to you was watching you 1332 01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:14.199 debate Tim Gordon and the Anglican. 1333 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:17.359 A Mason guy on Timpole's show. 1334 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:20.720 But uh, I really enjoy your content. 1335 01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:21.920 I'm an inquirer. 1336 01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:24.119 I guess I'm kind of a I'm kind of a 1337 01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:29.720 slow rolling choir because I'm very spurgy about Okay. 1338 01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:32.239 I just want to anyone's word for it. 1339 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:36.000 I just want to find it. Okay, So what cool man? 1340 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:36.600 What's your question? 1341 01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:41.560 So I I just wanted to bring up something that 1342 01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:43.239 I'm noticing in my own circles. 1343 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:47.600 So I watched I watched your your. 1344 01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:54.239 Debate with that Baptist King James Only guy and I 1345 01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:57.520 come from a Church of Christ background, so Campbell Light 1346 01:29:58.159 --> 01:29:59.239 Restorationist movement. 1347 01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:05.119 I no longer believe that that position holds any weight. 1348 01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:09.159 I've been in that movement my whole life, so for 1349 01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:12.239 personal reasons, it's hard to become untethered. 1350 01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:13.239 But I just wanted to. 1351 01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:17.840 I wanted to ask you if you know any of 1352 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:23.399 these guys who are Orthodox converts that are putting out 1353 01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:26.920 content from the CEOC world. 1354 01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:33.640 I'm pretty sure I'm seeing Okay, I appreciate that. And 1355 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:36.039 their answer is yeah. In fact, I think Alex Soren 1356 01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:41.399 recently debated at Church or Christ guy one of his 1357 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:47.640 maybe a few weeks ago. So the answer is yes, 1358 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:50.840 go watch that debate with I don't remember the guy's name. 1359 01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.279 I'm sure somebody in the chat will remember that guy's name. 1360 01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:06.399 M h m hm. 1361 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:29.800 Ok, yeah here it is. Who is this guy? Aaron Gallagher? 1362 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:37.479 So Alex Soren debated Aaron Gallagher, who is a Church 1363 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:43.239 of Christ. I guess pastor or something. When I hear 1364 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:46.960 the word pastor, now I just cringe. Now it's like 1365 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:47.760 a media just. 1366 01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:53.800 When I hear this past pastals am a pasta together 1367 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:57.000 with one thousand pastas, we met the Men in Black 1368 01:31:57.039 --> 01:32:00.439 and the LBNP to get disclosure. 1369 01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:01.119 Full of. 1370 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:08.159 Okay. I know all the Orthobos are eager to call in, 1371 01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:10.079 and I love you guys, but we're looking for some 1372 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:21.760 evangelicals today. Chris eight Limbs, what's up dude? Chris eight Limbs, 1373 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:22.399 what's up. 1374 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:24.680 You? Jay? 1375 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:28.840 I got your book, but I sucked up and got 1376 01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.079 it on Amazon, so my bad. 1377 01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:34.520 Well you you and bezos once again teamed up against me. 1378 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:36.600 Yeah, that's my bag. 1379 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:38.479 I'll get it from your website next time. 1380 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:41.199 You want to say good job on these last couple 1381 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:41.600 of weeks. 1382 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.439 You debate these two Mason guys, and then you got 1383 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:50.479 this Baptist pastor on the on the BRINKSI. 1384 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:54.439 Well that's led to the whole evangelical online world just 1385 01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:57.359 losing their losing their minds. They're having a crash out. 1386 01:32:57.920 --> 01:32:58.479 Now this week. 1387 01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:01.479 It's uh, David Wood, it's awesome job. 1388 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:06.079 Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. Guys. If you disagree, 1389 01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:08.079 I'll go bring it to the headline. If not, we're 1390 01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:11.479 going to go into more of the canons here. We'll 1391 01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.199 notice that in Canon eighteen again we saw that the 1392 01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:17.960 deacons are not supposed to touch the Eucharist because they 1393 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.920 don't offer the oblation. That does not sound like any 1394 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:27.560 Protestant church I've ever even heard of. Here's canon about 1395 01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:32.880 kneeling on the Lord's Day? Do Protestants kneel in the 1396 01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:36.520 churches on any day? Maybe some of the Charismatics do. 1397 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:45.880 But and then there's a letter anathematizing, excommunicating areas. When's 1398 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:47.600 the last time you heard of a Protestant church and 1399 01:33:47.640 --> 01:34:03.199 athematizing and ex communicating anybody? How about the celebration of 1400 01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:09.680 Easter and the Eucharist on Easter? Oh, look at that. 1401 01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:16.000 It is not the determination of the custom of the Jews. 1402 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:36.159 Low quality? What's up? Low quality? What's up? Joke? 1403 01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:36.640 Hey? 1404 01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:38.119 A couple of things. 1405 01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:39.800 First, One, never stop being mean. 1406 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:42.720 That's really important that you do. It helps people. I 1407 01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:44.119 don't know why everybody. 1408 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:46.960 Thinks there's a one size fits all solution for getting 1409 01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:48.439 the word out, but they're wrong. 1410 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:48.920 You're right. 1411 01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:52.119 So appreciate a lot. Number two, have you heard of 1412 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:56.960 a guy named David Solomon. He's a Jewish guy, brings 1413 01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:59.039 a lot of Jewish perspectives into things, which, you know, 1414 01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:01.840 take it with a grainess all. It's something I noticed 1415 01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:05.079 about one of the lectures that he's going through on 1416 01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:09.159 the Ten Commandments right now. Kind of if that flies 1417 01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:11.720 in the face of the idea that the Catholics are 1418 01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:15.840 pushing out right now of everybody's secretly worshiping the One God, 1419 01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:18.079 even Hindus, even Muslims, whatever. 1420 01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:21.119 Yeah, that's because they don't know that worship isn't mental 1421 01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:22.520 assent to a proposition. 1422 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:28.239 Yes, and on a rudimentary level, if you read the 1423 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:30.640 First Commandment, if you get into the Hebrew of it, 1424 01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:34.520 God never denies the existence of other things out there 1425 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:38.000 that are being worshiped. He doesn't say, hey, you're secretly 1426 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:41.680 worshiping me. The commandment is don't worship anything else that. 1427 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:42.359 Is out there. 1428 01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:45.279 It's an interesting distinction that seems. 1429 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:48.359 To be lost on a lot of the Catholics, because look, 1430 01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:52.159 it's not that everything is God, it's you know, otherwise, 1431 01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:54.079 why would he bother commanding. 1432 01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:55.600 You not to worship whatever else is out there? 1433 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:02.520 Yeah, that's that's all I got for you, man. 1434 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:03.079 I appreciate you. 1435 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:08.039 Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I think the entire argument, and 1436 01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:12.640 a lot of Protestants agree with this argument, that they 1437 01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:16.840 just assume that worshiping God is the same thing as 1438 01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:21.239 mental notional assent to quote, there's one God that's not 1439 01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:25.720 worship And when I brought that up, a lot of 1440 01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:28.199 them had to kind of oh oops. Right when this 1441 01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.880 whole debate was happening in the last year between when 1442 01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:35.199 the Roman Catholics were all having meltdowns because they can't 1443 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:39.960 make Vatican two square with their stupid theology because it doesn't, 1444 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:42.800 so they had to try to work really hard to 1445 01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:47.119 make it fit. I wish that there was an easily 1446 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:58.479 accessible list of the statements out of the Council of Rome. 1447 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:03.439 Are dually end up having to go to like these 1448 01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:05.880 tradcat sites. I don't know what the site is, so 1449 01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:07.600 I don't know if I trust this. This looks like 1450 01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:13.039 some kind of goofy Protestant thing. Let's see if there's 1451 01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:28.760 anything here. The only reason I'm going to this is 1452 01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:35.800 I just want to show the what the canon is, 1453 01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:40.319 and this is just getting me. Roman Calolic websites talking 1454 01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:59.359 about the him being a saint. You know, we know that. No, 1455 01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:09.079 I'll see. I think Catholicism dot org has a thing 1456 01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:16.520 on that, or is it. I think it's Taylor Marshall's 1457 01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:37.960 website that has that. Actually, I just don't feel like 1458 01:38:37.960 --> 01:38:39.720 getting out Danzinger. I can get yah here it is. 1459 01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:41.920 I could get you Danzinger where it has a full, 1460 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:45.600 full thing. But I'm just trying to find it quickly. 1461 01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:52.359 All right. So this is the Council of Rome late 1462 01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:58.000 three hundreds, and the Council of Rome is attempting here 1463 01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:02.640 in the West to give a normative canon of scripture 1464 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:07.479 right now. The Apostolic Canons, as they are called, is 1465 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:11.119 the canon of scripture that's normative in the East, according 1466 01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:13.439 to the Canons in the fourth century. So I want 1467 01:39:13.479 --> 01:39:15.840 all you slow boys to listen very closely to what 1468 01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:20.560 I'm saying. I'm not saying that either of these quote 1469 01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:24.119 infallibly establishes the canon for the whole church, because they 1470 01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:30.760 differ in small ways. Okay, However, what we can see 1471 01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:34.159 from Canon eighty five of the Apostolic Canons, this refutes 1472 01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:35.520 west Huth. By the way. That's why I'm doing this, 1473 01:39:37.720 --> 01:39:40.319 is that the normative canon in the East. According to 1474 01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:43.359 the Eastern canon law, the Apostolic canons are the norm 1475 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:47.359 in the fourth century in the East. Because remember, for us, 1476 01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:50.600 the Church is decentralized, right, So we're not going to 1477 01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:54.479 say that just because Pope Damasis is in Rome and 1478 01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:57.079 Augustine and he agree on the Deudero Canon, that that's 1479 01:39:57.279 --> 01:40:01.279 necessarily the universal teaching. That's the Roman cathol reading Vatican 1480 01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:05.720 One into the first uh several centuries. We're going to 1481 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:09.199 say that that was the norm for the West, and 1482 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:10.880 we're going to say the Council of Rome, and we're 1483 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:14.239 going to say that the Apostolic canons are an example 1484 01:40:14.279 --> 01:40:17.960 of the norm for the East. So noticed, notice in 1485 01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:30.479 Canon eighty five the canon includes Judith, the Maccabees, all 1486 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:47.279 three Maccabees, Syric see that Wisdom, Wisdom and Syric, the 1487 01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:54.560 Epistles of Clement, and the Constitutions of Clement. Now, ultimately 1488 01:40:55.680 --> 01:40:59.359 those didn't get included in the final normative canon by 1489 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:02.199 the time of Trollo and the sixth and seventh Council. 1490 01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:05.920 But I don't have to prove that. All I'm showing 1491 01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:12.000 you is that for the normative canonical Bible of the 1492 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.039 fourth century. In the East, it includes the Deudo canon. 1493 01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:18.880 Now let's look at the normative canon in the West 1494 01:41:19.239 --> 01:41:21.840 at the same time, because remember we believe the Church 1495 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:25.399 is decentralized. So the Apostolic canon show us the mindset 1496 01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:28.920 in general of the East, and we're gonna look at 1497 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:33.239 the mindset in general under the Latin patriarchy or the West. Likewise, 1498 01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:41.319 the Catholic Church accepts these Old Testament books, the Book 1499 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:44.399 of Wisdom, the Book of Syric and then it lists 1500 01:41:44.439 --> 01:41:48.000 all the ones that are not controversial, and then Judith 1501 01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:52.600 and two Maccabees. So the only difference there is that 1502 01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:57.520 Rome doesn't immediately accept third Maccabees and the Eastern Church 1503 01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:01.119 considers it as part of the canon. And then we 1504 01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:06.760 read that the New Testament. Do they see if they Yeah, 1505 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:08.319 they include the Apocalypse. By the way, they only they 1506 01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:11.199 include the Apocalypse here because of Athanasius arguing it as 1507 01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:17.039 well as the Catholic epistles. So between the East and 1508 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:23.159 the West in the fourth century, what was Snodaly canonically 1509 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.520 normative for the Biblical canon. I know we have some 1510 01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:29.720 slow boys that when I explained this, they don't understand 1511 01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:32.159 the difference between canon law and the Bible canon. They 1512 01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:35.880 get confused two different things. And what we saw a 1513 01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:40.439 minute ago was canon law even preceded the Bible as 1514 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:44.039 normative because there was not a fixed universal canon at 1515 01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:48.039 the time of Nicea, and Nicia already said be sure 1516 01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:53.279 and follow the previously existing canonical law. So Canon eighty 1517 01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:58.199 five includes the Deudro canon for the East. The Council 1518 01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:03.239 of Rome in three what was it, eighty whatever? Three 1519 01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:09.640 eighty two damasist Augustine includes the Duo canon. There you 1520 01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:14.479 go now again, but you but dea canon. 1521 01:43:16.399 --> 01:43:16.720 Again. 1522 01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:20.920 I am not saying that the canon was settled at 1523 01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:24.079 this time. I'm saying the normative canon for East and 1524 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:29.640 West included the Duro canon almost entirely. The only outlier 1525 01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:33.960 here is Saint Jerome, who submitted to Rome and included 1526 01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:37.239 it in the Bulgate because he submitted to his patriarchate. 1527 01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:43.920 The Council of Rome out ranks Jerome in Orthodox and 1528 01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:48.560 Catholic ecclesiology. So on what basis are we supposed to 1529 01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:53.399 follow Jerome's thought? If you're a Protestant, it's purely arbitrary, 1530 01:43:54.079 --> 01:43:57.199 because they don't believe anything else Jerome said. In fact, 1531 01:43:57.359 --> 01:43:59.920 according to them, if they're consistent. Jerome is a heretic 1532 01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:06.600 because he doesn't teach the Bible and the Solas. And 1533 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:09.119 if you don't teach the Bible and the Solas, according 1534 01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:12.399 to the Classical Reformation teachers, you're teaching a false gospel. 1535 01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:16.479 Hate man. You're going to go to hate a late man, 1536 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:26.119 as that Baptist dude says. So again, ironically, the IFB 1537 01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:31.520 cult is actually more consistent on this point than God Logic, 1538 01:44:32.119 --> 01:44:39.840 than David Wood, than Wes Huff, James White, Gavin Ortland, 1539 01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:45.439 Redeem Zoomer, because they're at least honest enough to look 1540 01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:48.760 at this and say that there's a pastasis, friend, that 1541 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:55.760 there's apastasy, because this is all Catholic stuff. I saw 1542 01:44:55.880 --> 01:45:00.279 that Catholic stuff. That's a church Antichrist candid chargeable out 1543 01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:06.399 an a crack. I've been dealing with trailer blood. I 1544 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.119 have the people since I was eighteen, so I'm very 1545 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:11.960 familiar with this stuff, right. I just happened to forget 1546 01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:16.239 that Steven Anderson's cult believes that that they're sunny Baptist. 1547 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:18.159 I forgot that they were soony Baptists. I remembered it 1548 01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:19.560 in the midst of the debate that I was like, oh, yeah, 1549 01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:21.600 I forget he believes this. He thinks the Bible is 1550 01:45:21.600 --> 01:45:23.520 an eternal book, which, by the way, he then says 1551 01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:26.000 that the Bible could be wrong and Paul had errors 1552 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.399 in his teaching. So it's like, so the canon could 1553 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:32.239 be wrong, but also the KJV is an uncreated, eternally 1554 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:37.479 generated Bible from God book for the uncreated book. Again, 1555 01:45:37.560 --> 01:45:40.680 sunny Baptist, this is silly. This is so we see 1556 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:44.039 that the two canons here, not canon law, but the 1557 01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:46.800 list of the canons. By the way, notice that in 1558 01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:53.119 canon eighty five, canon law is beginning to determine the 1559 01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:54.279 Bible canon. 1560 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:57.000 Oh oh, oh oh. 1561 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:00.640 And guess what, Protestants when you go to seminary, if 1562 01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:03.119 you do, and if you actually ever read any of 1563 01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:06.600 your Protestant scholars, they're gonna start talking about this stuff, 1564 01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:10.039 the stuff that Wes Huff won't talk about. They're gonna 1565 01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:12.479 start talking about the Apostolic canons in the Council of 1566 01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:16.399 Rome and the canonical debates about the canon of scripture. 1567 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:22.800 No Protestant pastor or Bible teacher. I want the different 1568 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:25.159 Bible colleges about that. They never told me this. I 1569 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:29.039 had to go dig this up on my own before everybody. 1570 01:46:31.199 --> 01:46:34.079 I'm not joking about Sunny Baptists. I mean the Muslims 1571 01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:40.520 believe in an uncreated foot, an uncreated book. There's an eternal, 1572 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:47.760 uncreated Kuran. So they literally have the sunny position. It's 1573 01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:57.840 just the KJV Nathan, what's up, hayen Man, hayen Man, 1574 01:46:57.920 --> 01:46:58.199 what's up? 1575 01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:00.279 Man's so? 1576 01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:05.600 Jay the divine voices telling me to ask you questions. 1577 01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:08.560 I believe it. 1578 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:10.720 Yeah, so okay. 1579 01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:11.880 My first question is. 1580 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:17.439 So Roman Catholics they have the like doctrine of like 1581 01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:20.239 what is it called, like where their theology can change. 1582 01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:24.119 Some of them believe in the development of doctrine. 1583 01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:29.159 Yes, yeah, so isn't like economia almost like similar to that. 1584 01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:33.880 But just from my perspective, no, economia is the application 1585 01:47:34.159 --> 01:47:37.319 of canon law. It's not the dogmas of the church. 1586 01:47:37.600 --> 01:47:41.039 So for example, we're not going to argue that the 1587 01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:44.079 Bishop of Rome had a certain function in the first 1588 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:46.760 thousand years, but in the second millennium of Christianity he 1589 01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:50.279 evolved into being an autocrat. That has nothing to do 1590 01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:55.239 with the interpretation application of the canons. That's a dogmatic change, okay, 1591 01:47:55.720 --> 01:47:56.680 But like what. 1592 01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:59.920 About like the Eucharist, how it was in the dedicated 1593 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:04.159 it was like I'm both eating and drinking separately, but 1594 01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:06.279 now it's like together and illegal. 1595 01:48:07.079 --> 01:48:09.720 Well, the dedicay is not it has things that we 1596 01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:12.680 don't adhere to. There's heterodox ideas in the Dedicay. The 1597 01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:15.399 didici is just an attestation to the practices of the 1598 01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:19.039 early Church. It's very valuable, but it's not like part 1599 01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:21.399 of the scriptures or part of the canon. It's not 1600 01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:25.000 canon law. It's just an early witness. I mean, you 1601 01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:28.600 can say the same thing about Tertillian. Tertullian is a heretic, 1602 01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:31.359 but his works are very valuable because we can see, 1603 01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:33.439 for example, when he would before he was a heretic, 1604 01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.319 he was defending the Trinity, and he wrote treatises about 1605 01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:39.880 the Trinity in the second century. So that refutes, for example, 1606 01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:43.319 Jake the Muslim metaphysician, or people to say that the 1607 01:48:43.399 --> 01:48:46.720 Trinity was created a Iceea or all this nonsense. So again, 1608 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:49.760 those people are useful. The decay is useful. They're not 1609 01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:54.039 canon law. They're not Again, everybody's got to get out 1610 01:48:54.039 --> 01:48:57.199 of the mindset of the Protestant idea that picking and 1611 01:48:57.319 --> 01:49:03.000 choosing this dude is somehow a better, higher tier over 1612 01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:09.039 a synod, the mind of the many, even as we 1613 01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:12.159 saw in the Canons of Nicea, trumps the mind of one. 1614 01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:16.760 And that doesn't mean in every case. Obviously, sometimes the 1615 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:21.600 majority can be wrong, but typically usually when it comes 1616 01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:26.279 to senidality, the principle that the majority are correct holds. 1617 01:49:26.439 --> 01:49:29.119 Not always, it's not infallible. Sometimes you can have a 1618 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:33.600 false sonod that you know, persecutes Saint John Christistom or whatever. 1619 01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:40.880 But normally speaking, and for example the Orthodox Church, the 1620 01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:44.159 best shops have regular sonodal meetings to govern the church, 1621 01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:49.279 and normally speaking, they're going to accurately assess the problems 1622 01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:52.640 in a council and in a synod, much better than 1623 01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:55.680 worthy to just do it individually on their own right. 1624 01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:59.479 And that's the model of Acts fifteen. All of this 1625 01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:01.319 stuff is just the model of Acts fifteen. Do you guys, 1626 01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:03.479 I mean, all you Protestant Bible worshipers, I mean, do 1627 01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:08.439 not worship Acts fifteen, where it says the council decided something, 1628 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:10.399 and they sent out the decision of the council to 1629 01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:13.119 all the churches, and that's all this is. It's like 1630 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:17.079 no different And if the same Holy spirit's guiding the 1631 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:20.600 Jerusalem Council of Acts fifteen, same Holy Spirits Guiding Council 1632 01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:23.199 and Nicia with Athenaeus. Ath Nations argues that he says 1633 01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:29.920 the Holy Ghost spoke at Nicia. So look at Canon five. 1634 01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:31.680 This is interesting because we're going to go over here 1635 01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:36.239 to the Second Ecumenical Council. So this is gonna trump 1636 01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:38.840 even our local synods that we looked at a minute ago, 1637 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:44.800 Gangra and Laodicea, because this is the Second Ecumenical Council 1638 01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:49.800 that they perceive to not need even Rome's approval to 1639 01:50:49.920 --> 01:50:54.840 do right, And it's kind of iffy, okay, yeah, but 1640 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:59.319 was it Celestine right kind of agrees and then we 1641 01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:05.239 don't know, and it's iffy, and then eventually they absolutely 1642 01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.880 affirm it a couple of centuries after. So this is 1643 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:10.920 three eighty one, and this is the theology dominated by 1644 01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:14.239 the Cappadocians. They dominate the theology of the council that 1645 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:19.520 condemns the Apollinarians. And what does it do, most famously, 1646 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:26.439 it literally defines the official trinitarian dogma for the Universal 1647 01:51:27.079 --> 01:51:30.439 Orthodox Catholic Church. That's why I consted out that one 1648 01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:34.720 is so important, and it was held and presided over 1649 01:51:34.840 --> 01:51:41.359 by Saint Melidios out of communion with Rome. Rome then 1650 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:43.640 retroactively says, oh, yes, we do agree with that it okay, 1651 01:51:43.720 --> 01:51:46.000 find it secumentical. Oh well, then thank you for proving 1652 01:51:46.079 --> 01:51:49.880 that the Holy Ghost can speak dogma outside of commune 1653 01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:52.960 with Rome, undermining Vatican one. And also thank you for 1654 01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:58.239 proving that there's saints outside of Roman commune, which you 1655 01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:01.760 later admit of Vatican two but deny in uh, I'm 1656 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:06.760 sunk them and can tut the Domino. So we see, 1657 01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:10.720 for example, at concept on one in the Canons three 1658 01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:16.680 hundred and eighteen, fathers assembled and they anathematized the Eunomians, 1659 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:23.920 the the Motamaki, the Marcellians, semi Arians, and the Pollinarians. Okay, 1660 01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:30.720 and then we see another canon limiting how far bishops 1661 01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:34.279 are supposed to go and not go into other bishops jurisdictions. 1662 01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:37.279 No exemptions for the bishop Rome. By the way, again 1663 01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:39.640 this they don't even they're not even worried about whether 1664 01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:42.239 Rome accepted or not. They're already doing the Council without Rome. 1665 01:52:43.159 --> 01:52:46.600 Now they would like to get Rooms acceptance, sure, but 1666 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:48.680 they're doing it and they don't care if for Rome 1667 01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:51.880 acceptance or not. And Rome was iffy, and it was 1668 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:53.560 it took a long time for Rome to accept this. 1669 01:52:53.840 --> 01:53:04.520 So Canon four is important because it says, in regard 1670 01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:06.560 to the tone of the Western bishops, we receive those 1671 01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:10.079 in Antioch who confess the Godhead, of Father, Son and 1672 01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:15.600 Holy Spirit. So this is an earlier canon presumably relating 1673 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:17.760 to that's not the canon. Looking for hold on which 1674 01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:18.000 one is? 1675 01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:18.119 It? 1676 01:53:22.119 --> 01:53:22.159 Is? 1677 01:53:22.239 --> 01:53:22.279 This? 1678 01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:29.359 Okay, here we go. Where's Canon three though, the one 1679 01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:42.520 about Rome New Rome? Anyway, Let's go to canon five 1680 01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:45.079 because Canon five says for those that were turned from 1681 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:49.880 heresy to orthodoxy, those amongst the Arians, the Macedonians, the 1682 01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:54.039 Subatanians and Ovations, the cathari the Aristori, the quarter of 1683 01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:57.920 the Simians, the Tetritites, the Apollinarians, we received them upon 1684 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:01.359 written renunciation of their nathol and an appetizing of their 1685 01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:05.079 previous heresies to the Holy Catholic Avasoli Church of God. 1686 01:54:05.119 --> 01:54:14.439 Does that sound ecumenist to you, anybody? Where is the 1687 01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:22.079 acumenism in that? And by the way, I think this 1688 01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:29.319 New Advent this has a different numbering than what's in 1689 01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:32.039 the chaft set, because in the chaft set this is 1690 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:41.720 Canon's seven and I'm looking for the canon. But this 1691 01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:44.159 is the no salvation outside the church canon, right, So 1692 01:54:44.359 --> 01:54:47.680 notice this It says thereupon, when they are brought into 1693 01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:54.680 the church, they are given chrismation, the seal, the seal, seal, seal, Right, 1694 01:54:58.760 --> 01:55:02.920 it says, you know, means who have a heterodox, weird, 1695 01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:07.560 crazy baptism Montanous, their baptisms don't even count. They need 1696 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:12.399 to be baptized. These other groups. It's sufficient to chrismate Eunomians. 1697 01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:14.680 They're not even their anti Trinitarian they can't be just 1698 01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:20.520 chrismated because they never even got baptisms. And as it says, 1699 01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:23.279 all of these sects, because their heresy is so extreme, 1700 01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:27.039 they are to be received as heathens when they become Orthodox. 1701 01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:31.359 So we make them Christians, then we make them catechumens, 1702 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:35.840 and then we do the exorcism prayers, and then we 1703 01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:39.319 instruct them and catechize them and then baptize them. See 1704 01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:43.920 that does that sound like redeemed Zoomers magisterial Protestant Church. 1705 01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:47.680 Does that sound like any of these people's made up 1706 01:55:47.680 --> 01:55:58.640 Protestant church? Do you? And it's supposed to be Canon three. 1707 01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:03.800 I wonder if New Advent are they being shifty. Here 1708 01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:13.000 look at canon three at New Advent. It doesn't have 1709 01:56:13.239 --> 01:56:16.000 the New Rome canon. Of course they're numbered differently. So 1710 01:56:16.079 --> 01:56:30.359 let's see. This is why it's hard to find that 1711 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:33.439 New Rome canon because it's numbered differently, and it might 1712 01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:35.560 not even be included here at the New Advent list, 1713 01:56:37.079 --> 01:56:40.640 because the Eastern canon list has the famous canon which 1714 01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:43.760 is the basis for Canon twenty eight of Calcledon, that 1715 01:56:44.039 --> 01:57:53.840 the Bishop of Constantinople is second after Rome. Here we go, yeah, 1716 01:57:54.039 --> 01:57:57.119 so here's the Eastern list, and that's funny that New Advent. 1717 01:57:58.439 --> 01:58:00.399 Why does New Advent not have that on there anymore? 1718 01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:03.359 I know I've read it on New Event before and 1719 01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:07.159 I've screenshoted it. That's I wonder if they altered that. 1720 01:58:13.479 --> 01:58:16.880 So look at the This is just probably the Roman list, 1721 01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:23.079 so they probably just deleted it. Here's the canons of 1722 01:58:23.119 --> 01:58:28.880 constantin Noble one and this is the chaft set list 1723 01:58:29.039 --> 01:58:32.680 right here, look at Canon three the Bishop of Constantinople. 1724 01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:35.479 So how the prerogative after the Bishop of Rome because 1725 01:58:35.520 --> 01:58:43.800 Constantinople's New Rome. Right, this becomes the controversial canon, the 1726 01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:46.479 basis for the Canon twenty eight of Calcilton. Right where 1727 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:51.399 Leo says, I reject Canon twenty eight, and then Roman 1728 01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:54.359 calocs always are dishonest. They never tell you why they 1729 01:58:54.399 --> 01:58:57.800 act like, oh, because of papal premacy, even though Leo 1730 01:58:57.960 --> 01:59:01.600 says no, it's because it violates the order of Canon 1731 01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:05.199 six of NICEA one, right, because it's Rome, Alexandria, Antioch. 1732 01:59:05.840 --> 01:59:10.079 And for Leo's argument was that if you make Constantinople 1733 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:15.000 second after Rome, it's not fair to alexandre and Antioch. 1734 01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:18.239 Nothing to do with Vatican one people's supremacy. So they 1735 01:59:18.319 --> 01:59:20.319 just lie about what it was actually about. But notice 1736 01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:26.239 that the New Advent, the Roman Catholic website doesn't even 1737 01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:44.319 have Canon three even listed anymore, but the shaft set, 1738 01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:47.920 which is based on presumably the Eastern listing of the canons, 1739 01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:53.399 puts Constantinople as number two, not just at Calcedon, but 1740 01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:58.479 at Constantinople one. That's the reason why at Calcadon they 1741 01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:00.600 just inserted it because they were like what was already 1742 02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:04.079 out of the previous ecumenical Council, which Rome had not 1743 02:00:04.199 --> 02:00:07.640 officially really totally accepted yet. Right, So there you go. 1744 02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:15.680 But again to back to the point of the final 1745 02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.439 Canon of constant and Umble one, does that sound at 1746 02:00:18.439 --> 02:00:29.680 all like anything Protestant will what's up man? Hey James, Yeah, Hey, 1747 02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:31.039 thanks for having me on. 1748 02:00:31.479 --> 02:00:35.159 I wanted to tell you a quick little thing I 1749 02:00:35.239 --> 02:00:36.760 think you to you'd. 1750 02:00:36.600 --> 02:00:37.199 Be proud of me. 1751 02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:41.439 I was actually having a debate with my. 1752 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:43.399 Evangelical coworker. 1753 02:00:45.159 --> 02:00:49.560 And he was telling me that I'm a Catholic for reference, 1754 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:54.119 he was telling me that, you know, praying to Mary 1755 02:00:54.279 --> 02:00:54.520 and the. 1756 02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:56.199 Saints is not biblical. 1757 02:00:57.159 --> 02:01:00.239 And instead of spending you know, like fourteen. 1758 02:00:59.840 --> 02:01:03.199 Hours trying to explain to them that it was, I 1759 02:01:03.399 --> 02:01:06.000 used a kind of transcendental argument and I was like, well, 1760 02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:09.720 if you're using the Bible as your authority, then. 1761 02:01:09.640 --> 02:01:11.640 You would need to give me a justification for why 1762 02:01:11.760 --> 02:01:12.720 that's the case, you know. 1763 02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:17.640 Yeah, and he just he couldn't give me an answer. Wow. Hey, 1764 02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:21.840 that's good. But I mean, you know, transient arguments don't 1765 02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:24.640 really work in the context of Roman Catholic you know, 1766 02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:27.720 classical foundational pistemology, so I would say you need to 1767 02:01:27.880 --> 02:01:32.079 become orthodox, Alex. What's up? One thing I want to 1768 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:34.000 say too about people making a big stink about this, 1769 02:01:34.920 --> 02:01:37.159 how come you didn't call God logic in these people 1770 02:01:37.239 --> 02:01:39.439 out till now you were distreamed with it before because 1771 02:01:39.439 --> 02:01:41.479 they did an attack Orthodoxy till now, duh, what do 1772 02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:43.039 you think? What's that? Man? 1773 02:01:47.319 --> 02:01:47.600 Alex? 1774 02:01:47.640 --> 02:01:48.079 You what I mean? 1775 02:01:50.319 --> 02:01:50.479 Hey? 1776 02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:53.560 Sorry, my bad? How's it going good? What's talking about? 1777 02:01:54.479 --> 02:01:54.680 Hey? 1778 02:01:55.039 --> 02:01:56.000 I just want to say, I. 1779 02:01:56.279 --> 02:01:59.119 Guess you were a big reason why I started attending liturgy, 1780 02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:01.319 has been going for about six months now, about to 1781 02:02:01.359 --> 02:02:02.720 become a catechuman cool. 1782 02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:05.039 I was actually one of my buddies. 1783 02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:07.920 He's, you know, think about becoming Catholic, and I was 1784 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:10.600 kind of talking about and you know, kind of the 1785 02:02:10.680 --> 02:02:13.840 craziness that's under the hood. Most people don't even realize 1786 02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:15.720 that that our Catholic, you know, some of the stuff 1787 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:18.359 you pointed out with the histrionic female saints and such. 1788 02:02:19.399 --> 02:02:21.600 And it really came down to, like, I don't I 1789 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:26.479 genuinely don't understand the appeal of Roman Catholicism unless you 1790 02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:28.720 want the social community or you want a lart as 1791 02:02:28.760 --> 02:02:30.920 a crusader, which is no longer the case. 1792 02:02:31.000 --> 02:02:33.359 I think when you break it down, it's I don't know. 1793 02:02:33.439 --> 02:02:36.039 I just can't understand the appeal behind it at all 1794 02:02:36.279 --> 02:02:37.479 once you actually look. 1795 02:02:37.439 --> 02:02:40.800 Under the hood. Well, the appeal is the way that 1796 02:02:41.119 --> 02:02:43.840 the pop apologists sell it. And I know because I 1797 02:02:43.960 --> 02:02:46.600 fell for the same sales pitch when I was twenty 1798 02:02:46.680 --> 02:02:50.319 one and became a Roman Catholic. Right, I think, oh, 1799 02:02:50.479 --> 02:02:53.640 the Pope solves these issues. We don't have division anymore 1800 02:02:53.680 --> 02:02:55.920 because he solves the issues, and now we have certitude 1801 02:02:55.920 --> 02:02:58.319 for the dogmas, and on and on on, and then 1802 02:02:58.439 --> 02:03:01.319 when you actually go into the world Catholicism and you 1803 02:03:01.479 --> 02:03:03.199 see it because you think that it's going to be 1804 02:03:03.279 --> 02:03:05.800 this church that you've read about in the Church Fathers, right, 1805 02:03:05.920 --> 02:03:10.039 this glorious grand church, militant like the Middle Ages, And 1806 02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:12.039 I'm gonna be like Thomas Aquinas and I was sitting 1807 02:03:12.039 --> 02:03:15.760 in a scripture scriptorium and just write with a quill 1808 02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:18.479 pen and create theology treatise. And it's not like that 1809 02:03:18.560 --> 02:03:23.279 at all. That's not the reality. What's up to a boy, Cleve? 1810 02:03:23.520 --> 02:03:25.479 What's up? I'm about to play some of you tonight, 1811 02:03:25.880 --> 02:03:29.439 Cleve talking to me as we cover Cleve, what's up? 1812 02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:30.800 What's up? 1813 02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:31.359 What's going on? 1814 02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:31.760 Jake? 1815 02:03:31.960 --> 02:03:33.119 Thanks for having me on you, sir. 1816 02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:35.600 Yeah, So I wanted to I wanted to chime in 1817 02:03:35.720 --> 02:03:38.439 on something that I realized a lot of these guys 1818 02:03:38.479 --> 02:03:41.319 that have these massive platforms that are basically just a 1819 02:03:41.439 --> 02:03:47.439 humanist Christianity. It's nondescript, uh, non denominational, whatever the case 1820 02:03:47.520 --> 02:03:50.119 may be. They're just appealing to the most broad audience 1821 02:03:50.199 --> 02:03:53.159 they can. These guys are really getting nervous about the 1822 02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:57.560 growth of Orthodoxy, so it seems like their strategy is 1823 02:03:57.800 --> 02:03:59.119 just too well one. 1824 02:03:59.319 --> 02:04:00.680 They want to the debates. 1825 02:04:01.119 --> 02:04:03.399 So what they do is when they critique Orthodoxity, they 1826 02:04:03.479 --> 02:04:07.800 do it under this dog whistle of orso Broism. So 1827 02:04:08.239 --> 02:04:10.840 they want to sew division among star ranks, yes, but 1828 02:04:10.920 --> 02:04:14.119 they also want to critique Christ's Church in a way 1829 02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:15.159 that doesn't cause. 1830 02:04:15.039 --> 02:04:16.399 Them to lose their following. 1831 02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:20.319 So it's just this kind of shady, subversive way for 1832 02:04:20.439 --> 02:04:23.039 them to attack the Church and not have to engage 1833 02:04:23.239 --> 02:04:27.000 in debates. And then what they'll simultaneously do is they'll 1834 02:04:27.039 --> 02:04:29.680 take their massive platforms and they. 1835 02:04:29.600 --> 02:04:32.520 Will promote these other more rabid, more. 1836 02:04:32.520 --> 02:04:37.600 Radical anti orthodox guys like JP. That way, they don't 1837 02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:39.239 have to do any debate. They can just deflect it 1838 02:04:39.279 --> 02:04:39.760 all to them. 1839 02:04:40.079 --> 02:04:43.279 That's very perceptive. Look, that's very perceptive. That's very perceptive 1840 02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:45.920 about the cunning strategy that they're employing. I didn't even 1841 02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:48.720 notice that, but that's actually a good point rather than 1842 02:04:48.840 --> 02:04:52.439 saying that they just disagree with Orthodox Christianity. It's oh, 1843 02:04:52.520 --> 02:04:55.279 it's the Orthobros that I hate, right, And Sam Schimund 1844 02:04:55.279 --> 02:04:56.920 did the exact same thing too, by the way, he said, 1845 02:04:57.000 --> 02:05:00.159 you know, I hope that the wortho Bros die. When 1846 02:05:00.199 --> 02:05:02.640 he pray that the Orthoboros would die, and people were 1847 02:05:02.680 --> 02:05:05.039 defending it, they were like, who's no talking about Orthodox, 1848 02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:08.000 He's just about Orthobros. It's like, so they're well, they're Orthodox, 1849 02:05:08.039 --> 02:05:08.720 what are you talking about? 1850 02:05:09.760 --> 02:05:11.680 Yeah, exactly, and what do they mean when they talk 1851 02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:15.199 about Orthodox, they're talking about anybody who is not an acumenist, 1852 02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:18.279 So anybody who holds to Orthodox. 1853 02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:23.159 Teaching, basically absolutely. I do want to play some of cleave, 1854 02:05:24.079 --> 02:05:29.760 as we have cleave here. Uh, but I do Before 1855 02:05:29.800 --> 02:05:33.159 we do that, I want to see if anyone disagrees, 1856 02:05:33.239 --> 02:05:37.399 because we've had a lot of questioners and comments, which 1857 02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:40.199 is fine, but we've got a full house. We've got 1858 02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:42.680 ten people in the line here. I want you to 1859 02:05:42.760 --> 02:05:45.640 do me an emoji. If you disagree, you go to 1860 02:05:45.640 --> 02:05:51.359 the headline. Any disagreeers, any Protestant Evangelical people that don't 1861 02:05:51.399 --> 02:05:55.840 like icons, they don't like mysteries, the yucher is whatever, 1862 02:05:57.159 --> 02:06:03.960 do an emoji and I will bring you up. None 1863 02:06:03.960 --> 02:06:06.279 of y'all are you serious? Out of all ten of y'all, 1864 02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:10.880 nobody disagrees. Come on now, how can we have no 1865 02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:15.000 evangelicals for two days straight calling in? Except for that one? Noah, dude, 1866 02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:20.600 he was only one nobody. I guess I'm just cooked 1867 02:06:20.880 --> 02:06:23.279 when it comes to debate, nobody else will debate. Okay, 1868 02:06:23.319 --> 02:06:27.159 here we go, Devin, Devin, what's up? 1869 02:06:27.199 --> 02:06:31.640 Dude? Can hear? 1870 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:36.199 Yeah? So this might be slightly decentives. 1871 02:06:36.239 --> 02:06:39.119 I agree with you with almost everything, and I'm not. 1872 02:06:39.199 --> 02:06:42.600 I'm not quite Protestant any lawmore, but I'm not I'm 1873 02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:46.680 not Orthodox anymore yet either. But a huge issue I'm 1874 02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:49.960 having is, and I guess, like I said, this might 1875 02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:51.840 be deceptive, it's something that I don't disagree, is that 1876 02:06:52.319 --> 02:06:56.760 I have a serious struggle with looking at seeing Mary 1877 02:06:56.880 --> 02:06:58.399 as a provincial virgin. 1878 02:06:59.720 --> 02:07:00.760 And then she was sick. 1879 02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:03.560 And like I said, this could just purely be from 1880 02:07:03.600 --> 02:07:07.640 the standpoint that I grew up in a Protestant church 1881 02:07:09.359 --> 02:07:11.680 and that's all I've been taught. But that's something I, 1882 02:07:12.039 --> 02:07:16.560 like I said, I am extremely struggling with that idea. 1883 02:07:16.640 --> 02:07:20.039 Okay, well, I would say, read Jerome's Little Treatise about 1884 02:07:20.119 --> 02:07:23.079 the Perpetual Virginity. It's a classic, it's still good. And 1885 02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:26.800 then watch the video that I did called a Veneration 1886 02:07:27.000 --> 02:07:30.199 of Saint Mary, which is like a forty minute just 1887 02:07:30.399 --> 02:07:34.680 arguing from the Bible about Mary. Those are classic, they're patristic, PTSD. 1888 02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:40.439 What's up, dog? I mean, I remember when I was 1889 02:07:40.439 --> 02:07:42.479 struggling with that too. When I was Protestant, I was 1890 02:07:42.640 --> 02:07:45.640 getting into Roman Catholic theology and once I read as 1891 02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:48.000 soon as I read Jerome Street this, I was like, oh, yeah, okay, 1892 02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:51.479 and then the typology I think is a good argument too. 1893 02:07:51.600 --> 02:07:53.680 Patristic PTSD. What's up? 1894 02:07:57.279 --> 02:07:59.760 Hey, guys, thanks for having me on. 1895 02:08:01.399 --> 02:08:04.359 Longtime listener, you know, and for WARS. 1896 02:08:04.439 --> 02:08:07.039 I think I recognize you from that, you know, yeah, 1897 02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:09.840 a lot where I knew you did like apologetics and stuff. 1898 02:08:11.319 --> 02:08:14.479 But yeah, I myself, I came from like a like 1899 02:08:15.159 --> 02:08:16.960 my stepdad was like a. 1900 02:08:17.000 --> 02:08:20.600 Pentecostal preacher, but the rest of my family was like, 1901 02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:23.760 you know, Baptists, non denn National type, you know. 1902 02:08:24.399 --> 02:08:26.920 So I come from that, you know, reformer background, and. 1903 02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:32.159 It wasn't until like I started getting into apologetics, like online. 1904 02:08:33.399 --> 02:08:37.239 I ran into some Orthodox people and you know, it's 1905 02:08:37.319 --> 02:08:40.479 like they had me acquiring and questioning, you know a 1906 02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:42.520 lot of things that I never. 1907 02:08:42.439 --> 02:08:45.359 Really thought to ask myself, you know when it. 1908 02:08:45.399 --> 02:08:49.960 Comes to like traditions and just the historicity of the Church, 1909 02:08:51.159 --> 02:08:52.479 the theology and things like that. 1910 02:08:53.600 --> 02:08:56.680 And you know, it's no wonder like when we have such. 1911 02:08:56.520 --> 02:09:00.319 Good apologetics or orthodoxy, you know that's what they say, 1912 02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:03.600 author bros. But it's just Orthodox Christians online, you know 1913 02:09:03.640 --> 02:09:07.000 what I mean. Like there's a lot of fake accounts 1914 02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:09.640 and things like that. Sure, but you know, for the 1915 02:09:09.680 --> 02:09:12.399 most part, we have really good apologetics. Like I have 1916 02:09:12.560 --> 02:09:16.239 a group of Orthodox buddies on here. We have a 1917 02:09:16.359 --> 02:09:19.479 channel called the Great Schizmandics of the twenty first Century. 1918 02:09:20.039 --> 02:09:22.520 You know, we just talk with anybody on there. So, 1919 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:25.479 you know, and it comes to the question, there's a 1920 02:09:25.560 --> 02:09:29.159 lot of people, like in the Baptist sphere, you know, 1921 02:09:29.319 --> 02:09:32.960 not wanting to have these debates because you know, they 1922 02:09:33.239 --> 02:09:35.840 don't really have a grounding for, you know, a basis 1923 02:09:35.960 --> 02:09:38.800 for all the things that they're arguing. You know, it's 1924 02:09:38.960 --> 02:09:42.760 just comes back to their own traditions or their own preferences. 1925 02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:43.119 Yeah. 1926 02:09:43.199 --> 02:09:45.760 Well, the world peace right, Well, That's why I think, 1927 02:09:45.960 --> 02:09:49.159 you know, seems like it would be incumbent upon the 1928 02:09:49.279 --> 02:09:53.079 representatives from that group, like Gavin Ortland, to do some 1929 02:09:53.239 --> 02:09:58.399 sort of public debate. I wonder if my swan bitcoin 1930 02:09:58.479 --> 02:10:01.000 link has expired, because it looks like it's not going 1931 02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:03.640 to the referral link. But I want to remind you 1932 02:10:03.680 --> 02:10:05.199 guys that if you want to get started with bitcoin, 1933 02:10:05.560 --> 02:10:08.079 you can get started via Swan Bitcoin. And of course 1934 02:10:08.119 --> 02:10:11.279 bitcoin is kind of subtly creeping up of late. Of 1935 02:10:11.359 --> 02:10:14.119 course we expected that even though we did have a 1936 02:10:14.520 --> 02:10:16.760 we're back in the bear market. And if you want 1937 02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:19.319 to get started with supporting me through bitcoin, this is 1938 02:10:19.359 --> 02:10:20.800 my bitcoin wallet right here. We'll go to do a 1939 02:10:20.840 --> 02:10:23.079 little bit of rouse lawn here, a little bit of 1940 02:10:23.199 --> 02:10:26.399 money's talking, a little bit of money here. We are 1941 02:10:26.479 --> 02:10:29.680 big promoters of what I believe is ethical money. And 1942 02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:33.600 if you didn't see my thirty what was it? We 1943 02:10:33.680 --> 02:10:37.920 did a podcast like forty minute case for man. I'm 1944 02:10:37.960 --> 02:10:45.840 getting memed like crazy out here today. Look, and this 1945 02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:52.359 is by the way, reminder of who does God logic 1946 02:10:52.439 --> 02:10:58.600 send the converts out of Islam to synagogues, massionic synagogues 1947 02:10:58.640 --> 02:11:04.000 where they let Ruselm preached. That's ruled over by some 1948 02:11:04.640 --> 02:11:14.119 LARPing Mexican dude, Rabbi Eduardo. Okay, whatever, dude, Well I 1949 02:11:14.159 --> 02:11:16.680 forgot what I was going to pull up here than 1950 02:11:16.800 --> 02:11:29.760 you appreciate that. Yeah, just put over there. I forgot 1951 02:11:29.800 --> 02:11:33.399 what I was, what I was even doing. We're talking about. Oh, 1952 02:11:33.479 --> 02:11:35.920 the Bitcoin interview, that's what it was. I forgot that 1953 02:11:36.159 --> 02:11:38.119 I shared this interview, and I kind of forget there 1954 02:11:38.199 --> 02:11:39.720 was so much stuff going on. I kind of forgot 1955 02:11:39.720 --> 02:11:42.800 about it. But shout out to bitcoin News and the 1956 02:11:42.880 --> 02:11:45.119 guy that runs Bitcoin News, which is a pretty I 1957 02:11:45.159 --> 02:11:47.960 think they have a pretty good sized audience. H he 1958 02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:50.800 became orthodox. So the guy that runs Bitcoin News is 1959 02:11:51.119 --> 02:11:56.720 now an orthopro, an evil ortho bro. And we had 1960 02:11:56.720 --> 02:12:00.760 a good conversation. Cool dude. And and I've already this 1961 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:03.640 is already like fifty posts down because everything's been so 1962 02:12:03.800 --> 02:12:05.560 crazy in the past few days. By the way, here 1963 02:12:05.680 --> 02:12:13.199 is a shake e mom Jonathan Shelley, Eben Shelley right here. 1964 02:12:14.079 --> 02:12:16.000 Check out it been Shelley. That was a good one. 1965 02:12:17.960 --> 02:12:20.800 But I do want to give you guys the link 1966 02:12:20.880 --> 02:12:23.439 to this only because I think it came out as 1967 02:12:23.479 --> 02:12:28.119 a really solid thirty minute case for bitcoin and then 1968 02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:32.680 addressing all of the usual fud. Right, I mean, bitcoin 1969 02:12:32.760 --> 02:12:35.760 apologetics is like the same as orthodox apologetics. I don't 1970 02:12:35.760 --> 02:12:37.720 mean literally in terms of what's important, but I mean 1971 02:12:37.800 --> 02:12:41.840 like it's the exact same, Like everybody just repeats the 1972 02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:48.159 same thud and then you end up. Good grief, I'm 1973 02:12:48.199 --> 02:12:50.640 never going to find it. And of course bookmarks never 1974 02:12:50.680 --> 02:12:56.199 doesn't even work. Let's try the bookmarks never works. I 1975 02:12:56.239 --> 02:12:59.199 think I did a pretty good job dispelling the usual 1976 02:12:59.239 --> 02:13:02.800 boomer fud that you get. Yeah, here it is right 1977 02:13:03.880 --> 02:13:09.239 sixty three thousand view as well, So everybody should peep 1978 02:13:09.319 --> 02:13:17.199 this right here? What's the ethical case for bitcoin? There 1979 02:13:17.199 --> 02:13:29.479 you go, ethical money, Jihanny Bitcoin Jay holds the Satoshi wallet. 1980 02:13:30.159 --> 02:13:32.720 I wouldn't be asking for super chats if I had 1981 02:13:32.760 --> 02:13:39.079 the Satoshi wallet, dog, But you can support my my 1982 02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:43.520 little Satoshi wallet right here if you want to donate 1983 02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:47.000 via BTC. All right, let's get back to or reshare 1984 02:13:47.079 --> 02:13:52.119 this because this was a good interview. Get back to 1985 02:13:52.199 --> 02:14:00.239 the calls. Who's next, bird? What's up? Birds up? 1986 02:14:02.560 --> 02:14:02.720 Hey? 1987 02:14:03.279 --> 02:14:04.000 Just a quick point. 1988 02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:10.680 Cleeve was streaming about a Catholic church that combined blessing 1989 02:14:10.760 --> 02:14:15.079 of the animals with a Mass in Germany and some 1990 02:14:15.199 --> 02:14:18.319 of the people gave the communion to their dogs. 1991 02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:23.600 Yeah, and that goes to it goes to the. 1992 02:14:25.439 --> 02:14:29.399 Previous callers question about changes in the Eucharist. It's like, 1993 02:14:30.159 --> 02:14:32.560 it seems like the Orthodox Church responds pretty well and 1994 02:14:32.680 --> 02:14:39.039 pretty flexibly to abuses when necessary. And I appreciate that, like, 1995 02:14:39.319 --> 02:14:41.760 you know, as something that that changed the way the 1996 02:14:41.880 --> 02:14:45.199 Uchrist was delivered. It's like you can tell why when 1997 02:14:45.239 --> 02:14:46.479 you start to hear the horror. 1998 02:14:46.239 --> 02:14:49.560 Stories of yeah, I mean, I mean, they've even done 1999 02:14:49.640 --> 02:14:52.479 countless poles. I remember reading all those polls when I 2000 02:14:52.600 --> 02:14:55.479 was a Roman Calitie tridecat that believe in the real 2001 02:14:55.560 --> 02:14:58.960 presence amongst normative Roman Catholics was like down to like 2002 02:14:59.239 --> 02:15:01.439 thirty percent at some point. I don't know what it 2003 02:15:01.520 --> 02:15:05.760 is now, but I still have all my trade Cat 2004 02:15:05.800 --> 02:15:08.279 book It's the entire shelf top two shelves or all 2005 02:15:08.359 --> 02:15:12.239 the trade Cat books. So I have like Attilogamares, Michael Davies, 2006 02:15:12.479 --> 02:15:15.439 all of that stuff. I've read all those books and 2007 02:15:15.479 --> 02:15:16.880 all of a sudd of a const books too, and 2008 02:15:17.039 --> 02:15:20.159 like all of them lament the fact that, hey, how 2009 02:15:20.199 --> 02:15:23.600 come after Vatican two believe in the real presence went 2010 02:15:23.680 --> 02:15:26.800 from like ninety percent to twenty percent. It's like it's 2011 02:15:26.840 --> 02:15:28.680 I don't remember the exact numbers. It is something crazy 2012 02:15:28.760 --> 02:15:32.239 like that. Wing depending what's up. Yeah, it's because when 2013 02:15:32.279 --> 02:15:37.039 you revolutionize the church, as Vatican two did by protestantizing 2014 02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:41.199 the liturgy, obviously people have them the same willy nilly 2015 02:15:42.399 --> 02:15:45.840 disrespectful attitude. They lose the reverence because they don't believe 2016 02:15:45.880 --> 02:15:48.920 in in the I mean, if the entire service is 2017 02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:51.760 not reverent, why would you believe in the real presence. 2018 02:15:51.800 --> 02:16:02.560 It's it's kind of obvious. Coach, what's up? And yes, 2019 02:16:02.800 --> 02:16:04.920 I did offer because I know they're not going to act. 2020 02:16:05.079 --> 02:16:08.079 I can just basically freely offer everyone in the world 2021 02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:10.640 a formal debate now knowing that I have nothing to 2022 02:16:10.680 --> 02:16:12.560 worry about, nothing to prepare for, because no one will 2023 02:16:12.600 --> 02:16:17.760 do it. So it does mean no damage or disservice 2024 02:16:17.960 --> 02:16:20.520 or like, I don't get nervous because I can just say, 2025 02:16:20.680 --> 02:16:24.479 here's an offer for public formal debate with west Haf, 2026 02:16:24.680 --> 02:16:27.439 David Wood, God Logic, Gavin orland Ip Frank Trick, Mike 2027 02:16:27.479 --> 02:16:31.199 Winger And people said, how come you didn't tag Mike 2028 02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:33.719 ware because he he blocked me a long time ago, 2029 02:16:34.440 --> 02:16:36.079 so no point. You can't tag doole. I don't think 2030 02:16:36.120 --> 02:16:40.559 if they blocked your coach Pill, what's up? Well, what's okay? 2031 02:16:40.959 --> 02:16:44.159 I donated to David Wood when. 2032 02:16:44.040 --> 02:16:47.040 He was in fear about the Muslims and all this stuff, 2033 02:16:47.639 --> 02:16:51.559 and I came on here since they're too cowardly to 2034 02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:56.479 argue against our position. By the way, I'm Orthodox, but 2035 02:16:56.799 --> 02:17:01.200 I have a few arguments to completely destroy boy your positions. 2036 02:17:01.959 --> 02:17:04.280 I think JUSI an Astor should be the only books 2037 02:17:05.040 --> 02:17:08.200 in the Bible because it feels like it. I'm also 2038 02:17:08.360 --> 02:17:11.000 very soft on the inside, and I have a lispa 2039 02:17:11.079 --> 02:17:12.719 that means that my heart's been changed. 2040 02:17:12.840 --> 02:17:16.079 That means your heart's in the right place, right, finally right. 2041 02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:21.079 Also in Thessala, and iike it's really like archaeology. We 2042 02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:24.120 actually found bass drums and like bass guitars and like 2043 02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:26.600 all kinds of stuff that we dug up over there. 2044 02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:28.600 So like that's how I know it's Protestant. 2045 02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:29.600 You know. 2046 02:17:31.319 --> 02:17:35.040 You just hearded, guys, You finally heard dire get crushed 2047 02:17:35.079 --> 02:17:40.159 in a debate. Coach christ Pill crushed him. Did you 2048 02:17:40.239 --> 02:17:47.680 guys see it? It was epic? By the way, do 2049 02:17:47.680 --> 02:17:51.079 you guys catch when the Baptist guy thought that Orthodoxy 2050 02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:55.079 used the wafers. He's like, oh no, what about your wafers. 2051 02:17:55.760 --> 02:18:02.879 We don't use wafers, dude, Leon, what's up, Jay? What's 2052 02:18:02.920 --> 02:18:04.719 the big dogs? Hey? What's in your mind? 2053 02:18:06.079 --> 02:18:08.040 So, my wife and I recently moved to a new 2054 02:18:08.079 --> 02:18:11.719 house and we moved near a Catholic church. One thing 2055 02:18:11.760 --> 02:18:16.280 I've noticed is Catholics, like I love putting statues outside, 2056 02:18:16.319 --> 02:18:18.360 and we're new to Orthodoxy. 2057 02:18:19.040 --> 02:18:21.639 I haven't noticed many statues and Orthodoxy, if there's any 2058 02:18:21.639 --> 02:18:21.840 at all. 2059 02:18:21.879 --> 02:18:22.680 I was wondering what the. 2060 02:18:23.360 --> 02:18:25.559 Reason is, whether there's so many Catholics and they why 2061 02:18:25.600 --> 02:18:27.040 they love statues. 2062 02:18:26.600 --> 02:18:31.399 And pagan No, Well, I just think that over time, 2063 02:18:31.680 --> 02:18:35.159 because because Rome never accepted the theology of the Seventh 2064 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:41.000 Documentical Council, basically they just accepted verbal with verbal credence, Yes, 2065 02:18:41.159 --> 02:18:43.399 we affirm that you can have images, and so that 2066 02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:47.360 kind of let them run crazy with what is and 2067 02:18:47.520 --> 02:18:51.799 isn't appropriate. But the Seven Documentical Council actually has a 2068 02:18:51.879 --> 02:18:56.159 pretty fleshed out theology of what's appropriate in the liturgy, right, 2069 02:18:56.799 --> 02:18:59.360 and since Rome didn't accept really the theology, that's kind 2070 02:18:59.360 --> 02:19:03.840 of nominally of acceptance to the icon Council, quote unquote, 2071 02:19:04.399 --> 02:19:06.399 and of course they don't have any idea about what 2072 02:19:06.600 --> 02:19:08.799 the Council of eight forty three is, which is the 2073 02:19:08.879 --> 02:19:15.000 reaffirmation of the victory triumph Orthodoxy over the iconic class, 2074 02:19:15.000 --> 02:19:18.479 which by the way, has even more clearer theology about iconography. 2075 02:19:18.719 --> 02:19:20.639 They don't have that council, they don't accept it. So 2076 02:19:21.879 --> 02:19:27.000 although ironically, Uniates do celebrate the triumph Orthodoxy again another 2077 02:19:27.200 --> 02:19:29.000 bunch of nons stuff that makes no sense in the 2078 02:19:29.079 --> 02:19:32.079 Roman Catholic world because it's about the papacy, it's not 2079 02:19:32.120 --> 02:19:35.959 about the right theology. So I made a video that 2080 02:19:36.040 --> 02:19:40.840 would be very applicable to what you're talking about and 2081 02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:45.079 would help. It's called how icons refute Roman Catholicism? Yes, 2082 02:19:45.159 --> 02:19:51.879 you heard me right, How could icons refute Rome? Well, precisely, 2083 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:56.120 because Rome doesn't adhere to the actual theology of the 2084 02:19:56.159 --> 02:20:01.479 seventh the Chemical Council. It becomes a situation where you're correct, 2085 02:20:02.079 --> 02:20:05.319 you can kind of go crazy with it, and you 2086 02:20:05.440 --> 02:20:10.440 can paint giant, giant bodies with tiny peeps all over 2087 02:20:10.520 --> 02:20:13.600 the churches, which makes absolutely no sense to anybody Orthodox. 2088 02:20:13.719 --> 02:20:15.799 I mean, and I've been to Rome, I've been to 2089 02:20:15.840 --> 02:20:18.600 the Vatican and I've seen. And you go to Rome, 2090 02:20:18.600 --> 02:20:20.959 there's basically a Catholic church every twenty feet, right, So 2091 02:20:21.040 --> 02:20:23.680 you can never even see all of the Catholic papal 2092 02:20:23.760 --> 02:20:27.639 churches in Rome, but you don't have to go far 2093 02:20:27.840 --> 02:20:32.399 to see a thousand fat boobies, booties and peeps in 2094 02:20:32.479 --> 02:20:35.559 your face everywhere. Now, why is that no Orthodox church 2095 02:20:35.639 --> 02:20:41.959 has giant, chunky chicks and dudes with serpents biting their 2096 02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:47.520 wee weis and build fat boobies bouncing everywhere in the church. 2097 02:20:50.000 --> 02:20:52.440 And that's because they don't believe in the theology of 2098 02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:54.399 the seven that critical council. I remember when I brought 2099 02:20:54.440 --> 02:20:58.879 this argument a long time ago, and a classical theists 2100 02:20:59.280 --> 02:21:01.920 he went crazy over this. This is like probably twenty 2101 02:21:02.000 --> 02:21:04.639 eighteen or nineteen when I was starting to make this argument. 2102 02:21:07.120 --> 02:21:09.319 And another book actually that's pretty good just on this 2103 02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:12.680 topic is Michael Hoffman's book, A Cult Renaissance Church of Rome. 2104 02:21:14.159 --> 02:21:18.120 Because Hoffmann goes a Latin Mass, at least the last 2105 02:21:18.159 --> 02:21:19.520 I heard. I don't know if he still does or not, 2106 02:21:19.680 --> 02:21:24.440 but he actually figured out, even though he's not Orthodox, 2107 02:21:25.000 --> 02:21:27.280 all of the stuff that we criticize about the second 2108 02:21:27.360 --> 02:21:31.639 millennium of the papacy, like the Renaissance papacy, Borgia Medici, 2109 02:21:31.680 --> 02:21:33.719 all that stuff, Like he noticed all that. He's like, 2110 02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:36.840 wait a minute, the humanism actually begins with the perennialism 2111 02:21:37.000 --> 02:21:42.559 of the Renaissance theologians, Picodella, Mirandola, all those characters. That's 2112 02:21:42.680 --> 02:21:45.959 where a humanism actually begins to seep into Rome. And 2113 02:21:46.079 --> 02:21:49.840 you can see it in the esthetics. It's not the 2114 02:21:49.879 --> 02:21:51.520 only argument he makes. It's like an eight hundred page 2115 02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:52.680 but but this is one of the argument that he makes. 2116 02:21:52.680 --> 02:21:54.719 He says that you can see in the aesthetics of 2117 02:21:55.760 --> 02:21:59.520 the papal apartments they have giant reliefs and paintings. To 2118 02:21:59.600 --> 02:22:05.239 is it literally to isis. Now, we're not prudes. So 2119 02:22:05.360 --> 02:22:07.760 I don't really care outside of the context of the 2120 02:22:07.879 --> 02:22:11.600 church if somebody has because I mean, I'm not tempted 2121 02:22:11.600 --> 02:22:13.600 to lust with some big old fat check out of 2122 02:22:13.639 --> 02:22:16.040 the Renaissance on a wall when I'm going to the bathroom. 2123 02:22:16.520 --> 02:22:20.079 That doesn't make me lust. But so I don't think 2124 02:22:20.120 --> 02:22:22.959 it's outside of the church. I don't think there's a 2125 02:22:23.079 --> 02:22:26.079 huge deal. And if an Orthodox person had a statue 2126 02:22:26.159 --> 02:22:28.760 of you know, they used to have statues of the Emperor, 2127 02:22:28.879 --> 02:22:34.200 so they would have a statue of Emperor Constantine or Theodosia. 2128 02:22:34.559 --> 02:22:36.639 I don't think that there's nothing wrong with that. And no, 2129 02:22:36.719 --> 02:22:39.319 I'm not saying, oh, therefore I love the statue of Trump. 2130 02:22:39.399 --> 02:22:43.479 That's not what I'm saying. So it's not statuary that's 2131 02:22:43.520 --> 02:22:46.840 the problem. It's whether that's appropriate within the context of 2132 02:22:46.920 --> 02:22:49.440 the liturgy and whether or not within the church, within 2133 02:22:49.520 --> 02:22:54.280 the context of the actual you know, alter area and 2134 02:22:54.319 --> 02:22:56.639 all that. Does it make sense to have giant fat 2135 02:22:56.760 --> 02:23:00.079 chicks with their ass hanging out? No, it doesn't, And 2136 02:23:00.200 --> 02:23:03.959 that to me is like another kind of Hello. Rome 2137 02:23:04.079 --> 02:23:07.559 doesn't actually follow the echemical councils. This is so obvious. 2138 02:23:07.639 --> 02:23:10.239 If you read the Seventh Council and the eight forty 2139 02:23:10.280 --> 02:23:13.879 three Triumph of Orthodoxy Council, you're like, oh, that Roma 2140 02:23:13.920 --> 02:23:19.959 doesn't believe any of this. So their belief, their belief 2141 02:23:20.079 --> 02:23:23.639 is not iconography. It's just religious art. There's nothing wrong. 2142 02:23:23.639 --> 02:23:26.360 And they kind of see it all as quote sacred 2143 02:23:26.440 --> 02:23:28.479 art or religious art. That's not what icons are. They 2144 02:23:28.520 --> 02:23:37.360 are means of of grace. They're sacramental. They're not just 2145 02:23:37.479 --> 02:23:41.719 religious art anymore than the Bible is like a mere 2146 02:23:41.799 --> 02:23:45.239 religious book. No, it's the book, right, and the icons 2147 02:23:45.280 --> 02:23:54.680 are not just religious art, they're windows into heaven. Anyway, Nicholas, 2148 02:23:54.719 --> 02:23:55.120 what's up. 2149 02:23:55.079 --> 02:24:01.639 Many community? 2150 02:24:03.920 --> 02:24:06.200 Okay, So I became a kind of Cuman I think 2151 02:24:07.319 --> 02:24:10.920 separate of this year and they've been in the church 2152 02:24:10.959 --> 02:24:14.239 for I think about six months, and I thought, I mean, 2153 02:24:14.479 --> 02:24:16.559 I thank you for you know, helping me come. 2154 02:24:16.520 --> 02:24:18.559 To Orthodoxy because I was like lost before. 2155 02:24:18.600 --> 02:24:21.440 And you know, I thank you very much for like 2156 02:24:21.680 --> 02:24:25.040 having all these arguments against like all this bs, you know, 2157 02:24:25.159 --> 02:24:29.200 the Protestants and Policism, because those raids Roman Catholic all 2158 02:24:29.280 --> 02:24:33.920 my life. And it's really cool to even go because 2159 02:24:33.920 --> 02:24:36.079 I'm going to an ociate church. But it's really cool 2160 02:24:36.120 --> 02:24:41.079 that my priest he recommends you as a good person 2161 02:24:41.200 --> 02:24:46.040 to watch the theology. And I don't want to say 2162 02:24:46.079 --> 02:24:48.639 like thank you and everything for you know, helping me 2163 02:24:48.760 --> 02:24:49.840 find truth. 2164 02:24:49.959 --> 02:24:53.840 I appreciate that. Is that all that's on your mind 2165 02:24:53.920 --> 02:24:54.120 right now? 2166 02:24:55.799 --> 02:24:56.680 Yeah, that's pretty much it. 2167 02:24:59.000 --> 02:25:03.000 Thank you. Let's see if we can find this Dusey here. 2168 02:25:03.120 --> 02:25:13.079 This is a great one. This is Ephesus epistol of 2169 02:25:13.280 --> 02:25:16.000 Cyril Twnastorius with the anathemos. 't see if you can 2170 02:25:16.040 --> 02:25:19.840 find the whole letter, because you're gonna find out that 2171 02:25:20.840 --> 02:25:24.440 no Protestants actually at all believe the Council of Ephesis. 2172 02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:26.440 This is one of my favorites. By the way, this 2173 02:25:26.559 --> 02:25:30.760 actually back in the twenty tens. This actually converted a 2174 02:25:30.840 --> 02:25:34.360 lot of Calvinists, even before I was converted to Orthodoxy, 2175 02:25:35.239 --> 02:25:37.600 because I almost began Orthodoxy on seven. But in the 2176 02:25:37.680 --> 02:25:43.120 twenty tens we would have this argument, and this alone