Speaker 1: The figures.
Speaker 2: I need seven figures. I need seven figures.
Speaker 3: Bro, I got the follow it.
Speaker 4: I got twenty eight thousand, I got too hundred thousand exactly.
Speaker 5: How do I monetize?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: How do I monetize?
Speaker 5: I like money and I like shoes.
Speaker 4: How do I feel the business? I don't really care
Speaker 4: about how many followers are happen.
Speaker 7: From an Oriental to a born rental Wiger Blucelana. I'm
Speaker 7: a Bluey's Protestants for every time by my merch is
Speaker 7: my ministry, my church.
Speaker 6: I'm blessing God JD. Please don't save me.
Speaker 7: I've been safe for a yard heavy a bit EXA mean,
Speaker 7: I fascinated. My pride is I do be like mufossa
Speaker 7: baby my testimony, Get me money bat or watch you
Speaker 7: that I'll be back for my own super chance. Like
Speaker 7: I'm sure the Nigga, I need to monetize them. So
Speaker 7: fighting Christians, I need some money from on. That's my mission.
Speaker 7: And if I'm coming up against real Christians, I run
Speaker 7: like hell not to take in. Hey, Jay, don't make
Speaker 7: me play myself. I'm here taking for the than the
Speaker 7: bell this want me take it? Please don't make me
Speaker 7: feel Please? Please please, Bro?
Speaker 4: I got the following. I got twenty eight thousand. I
Speaker 4: got to hundred thousand on executive. How do I monetize?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? How do I monetize?
Speaker 2: I need seven figures, I need seven figures. I need
Speaker 2: seven figures?
Speaker 4: Bro, I got the following. I got twenty eight thousand.
Speaker 4: I got to hundred thousand on executive. How do i'm monetize?
Speaker 8: You know what I mean?
Speaker 9: How do I monetize?
Speaker 5: I like money and I like shoes.
Speaker 10: How do I feel this?
Speaker 4: I don't really care about how many from.
Speaker 6: An Oriental to a born rental wigger.
Speaker 7: I'm Ruslan and I'm a busy's proud of the stints
Speaker 7: for every done by my merch is my ministry, my church.
Speaker 6: I'm blessing God.
Speaker 3: JD.
Speaker 6: Please don't save me. I've been safer for a yard.
Speaker 7: Every yety bitty rup he got me fascinated, but I
Speaker 7: take my pride.
Speaker 6: It's my dude.
Speaker 7: He like mufossa baby my testimony. Get me money, bat
Speaker 7: or watch a wigga. I'll be back for my own
Speaker 7: super chance. Like I'm s a nigga. I need to
Speaker 7: monetize you so fighting Christians I need some money from them.
Speaker 6: That's my mission.
Speaker 7: And if I'm coming up against real Christians, I run
Speaker 7: like hell not.
Speaker 3: To take in.
Speaker 7: Hey, Jay, don't make me play myself. I'm heretictre for
Speaker 7: the dinner bell. This my meal ticket. Please don't make
Speaker 7: me feel please, please please, bro, I got.
Speaker 4: The following, I got twenty eight thousand. I got two
Speaker 4: hundred thousand exacting. How IM monetize? Then?
Speaker 3: How do I monetize? Can you name anybody after the Automa,
Speaker 3: the Apostles that taught your culture?
Speaker 11: Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's
Speaker 11: whole family, Harriet Tubman's whole family. Idiot from Africa, from
Speaker 11: the Ashanti tribe.
Speaker 12: When it came over here, they had their tradition to
Speaker 12: knowing they were Israelites up until this day. You allow
Speaker 12: me to finish, you would have heard, so I know
Speaker 12: they'd like to believe that we didn't know that we
Speaker 12: was Aelites, but we knew that we were Israelites coming
Speaker 12: off of them ships.
Speaker 3: Oral tradition, coming off the slave ship.
Speaker 12: So from the Europa tribe, the Ego tribe, the Ashanti.
Speaker 3: Tribe take it on the slave ship. I can't help it.
Speaker 12: Academia doesn't respect from the Europa tribe. The Ego tribe
Speaker 12: Ashanti tried take.
Speaker 3: It on, taking on them slave ships. So now I
Speaker 3: will ask you a question.
Speaker 11: Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's whole family, Harriet Tubman's
Speaker 11: whole family, Harriet sub means whole family.
Speaker 3: Idiot, because he thinks that Harriet Tubman has a tradition
Speaker 3: of superstition that is the basis for his cult historical lineage.
Speaker 3: You idiot, Harriet Tubman, yappen and let me answer your
Speaker 3: dumb ASTs question. He won't shut up, so.
Speaker 12: I know you're not talking about Somebody said, no, I
Speaker 12: know you're not talking now.
Speaker 3: This idiot thinks that the word gentiles there means Israel
Speaker 3: because the word nation or gentile can also refer to
Speaker 3: Israel because it just means nation. You idiot, from.
Speaker 12: The Europa tribe, the Equo tribe, he's Shanti tribe.
Speaker 6: Take Harriet Tubman his family.
Speaker 3: I can't help it.
Speaker 12: Academia doesn't respect from the Europa tribe. The Equo tribe
Speaker 12: with Shanti tried take it on the slave ship, take
Speaker 12: it on the slave shift.
Speaker 3: So now I will ask you a question. Shut your mouth.
Speaker 3: You don't have to talk during my time. I didn't
Speaker 3: talk during your time. He's the most ignorant white man.
Speaker 12: Is this where we can just disrespect and call each
Speaker 12: other names?
Speaker 3: You do not understand grammar.
Speaker 12: When you look up Valentine, it's Valentina the idiot, I ranius.
Speaker 3: How you say his name? You idiot?
Speaker 13: To add Hans the consistent Harriet Tubmans to mock in
Speaker 13: my voice, God, get some dirty.
Speaker 10: He looks gray. He looks like a right spacemen basement basement.
Speaker 14: Baa under were fitting project on the.
Speaker 10: Were right space, more space, more space, go long. I
Speaker 10: would like that.
Speaker 14: The manner of Lomber.
Speaker 7: That you want.
Speaker 5: My space wise, let's create.
Speaker 10: That's a body.
Speaker 3: It's a very tool body.
Speaker 5: He looks good, he looks good, he looks he looks good.
Speaker 15: Space space s.
Speaker 10: Space space.
Speaker 14: Space, space, spacelise.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 11: Space.
Speaker 16: They stole some Sumerian technology that allowed them to predict outcomes,
Speaker 16: and that technology stopped working in twenty twelve. We're gonna
Speaker 16: get into that tomorrow. I find it to be fascinating.
Speaker 16: I wonder if they saw Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 17: Black Kang Black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persue,
Speaker 17: lang Gang, blaoishops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persueylang Kang,
Speaker 17: black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate persuey lang Kang,
Speaker 17: black niciops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persuasion.
Speaker 3: But the Dark ageons at a time when black people
Speaker 3: ruled Europe.
Speaker 12: So when you go into the real history, you'll see
Speaker 12: King James with that's King James right, that's James Lebron, that's.
Speaker 3: King lebar right now black he was not a white guy.
Speaker 3: You'll see his whole lineage of kings, black kangs, black.
Speaker 17: Bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persue, lang Gang, blamniiops,
Speaker 17: black players, people of the Chocolate Persueylang Kangs, black ticships,
Speaker 17: black players, people of the Chocolate Persuade, la King, black bishops,
Speaker 17: black players.
Speaker 3: People of the Chocolate Persuasion.
Speaker 12: Who was a homostsexual himself, who was in love with
Speaker 12: his sister Lucretia, who did need the image of Lucrecia
Speaker 12: to be married, and that became the Renaissance era Lucian sought.
Speaker 3: Are you telling me, Lucretia that's a black game. Are
Speaker 3: you going to say that the people that was framing
Speaker 3: the black.
Speaker 14: People were also black.
Speaker 3: That don't make make sense. Lucretia's a black as hell
Speaker 3: named Lucuetias. Church even allowed it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The church allowed for straight pimples that have been suppressed,
Speaker 3: that have been suppressed. Listen to my brother the fifteen hundreds,
Speaker 3: it was legal to be a.
Speaker 17: Pump black kang, black bishops, black players, people of the
Speaker 17: chocolate persuade black gang, black bishops, black players, people of
Speaker 17: the chocolate persuasioners.
Speaker 3: Mm oh yeah, welcome everybody. The drama didn't die down.
Speaker 3: Everybody's even more slave queen in today, or I should say,
Speaker 3: trying to be a slave queen. We've got a lot
Speaker 3: of pretenders to the throne of Wig's antheum. We got
Speaker 3: a lot of gay evangelicals out here trying to make
Speaker 3: a stink, trying to pull up on a brother, I
Speaker 3: mean a sister, a diva. We got David Wood calling
Speaker 3: me out, we got ap calling me out. We got,
Speaker 3: of course, interesting silence from God logic when a lot
Speaker 3: of people are asking him, Hey, why are you sending
Speaker 3: people to synagogues?
Speaker 18: Bro?
Speaker 19: Is that.
Speaker 3: Where they find Christianity? At weird Messianic synagogues, many of
Speaker 3: which are actually anti Trinitarian. Now maybe this one isn't,
Speaker 3: but that's not the point. The point is that we
Speaker 3: already did the whole judaizing heresy thing in the first century.
Speaker 3: It was already settled. And what's the big heresy that
Speaker 3: has a stranglehold on the entire grip of modern America.
Speaker 3: Evangelical Zionism. And these people are pretty much promoters of
Speaker 3: that when we know that with a posse prophet and
Speaker 3: David Wood they're open Zionists. And why is that Well,
Speaker 3: because they cannot accept the teaching of the Orthodox Church
Speaker 3: that the Orthodox Church is the one true Church. And
Speaker 3: as I said the other day, of course this is
Speaker 3: a stumbling block. They want a Jesus that doesn't direct
Speaker 3: them to any church. They want a diy Jesus that
Speaker 3: allows you to kind of make it up the way
Speaker 3: you see fit. Oh you don't like this or that doctrine, well,
Speaker 3: then craft your own fake rhythm church.
Speaker 20: Because it's the rhythm of the church much church. Oh yeah,
Speaker 20: because there's the rhythm of the church my cash.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Now let's look at Jay Dyer hates anyone successful this
Speaker 3: is all Ridvaon has. This is the most leftist, effeminate
Speaker 3: response I've ever seen from anybody who's supposed to be
Speaker 3: a dude in this whole sphere. This is exactly the
Speaker 3: way women think. They think that the only and leftist.
Speaker 3: The only way that you would ever criticize somebody is
Speaker 3: because you're jealous. That's the only reason that I would
Speaker 3: ever criticize somebody. Well, let's Jay acts like this and
Speaker 3: then says that we have to join Orthodoxy. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: what I did that was so horrible was to ask
Speaker 3: any of these people to defend their doctrine or version
Speaker 3: of the church. That's that simple. And I thought of
Speaker 3: a kill shot today, which is another kill shot for
Speaker 3: all these people. Can you name any single person that
Speaker 3: was a parachurch or churchless apologist in the first millennium?
Speaker 3: Name one? Oh, there isn't one. Because this is a
Speaker 3: thoroughly Protestant idea that you can divorce Jesus from his body,
Speaker 3: from his church, and from his sacraments. The entirety of
Speaker 3: why people are convert are converted is to live the
Speaker 3: life in Christ. And so I'm going to recommend that
Speaker 3: if you never read this book by Saint Nicholas Cabasilas.
Speaker 3: Everybody should read this because he's a I think fourteenth
Speaker 3: century in me. And if you're wondering why my copy
Speaker 3: is not marked up, it's because I read this in
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven and I gave it away and
Speaker 3: I bought a new copy recently, So that's why this
Speaker 3: one isn't marked up. But I have read it, and
Speaker 3: it gives you a window into what was the attitude
Speaker 3: of Christianity in the fourteen hundreds in Byzantium. And where
Speaker 3: you're gonna notice is it's exact same attitude that you
Speaker 3: get in orthodoxed Christianity today. And that book is about
Speaker 3: our participation in the mysteries, namely the sacraments. That is
Speaker 3: how you live the life in Christ. You don't live
Speaker 3: it by a mental assent to a new bunch of propositions.
Speaker 3: Oh I was formerly believing in the Quronic propositions and
Speaker 3: now I believe in the Bible propositions. No, no, it's
Speaker 3: a life lived sacramentally. None of these people promote a
Speaker 3: sacramental life. Now they might say, oh, well, we believe
Speaker 3: you could do whatever you want. Yeah, that's just as bad.
Speaker 3: That's even worse, who ever thought or gave the impression Again,
Speaker 3: name a person in the first thousand years that taught
Speaker 3: a church less apologetic. There's not one. It doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: In fact, we're going to look at some quotes today
Speaker 3: that demonstrate that. We're going to see the attitude of
Speaker 3: the church throughout that time period, and you're going to
Speaker 3: notice that low and behold, the Orthodox Church has the
Speaker 3: same view. Let's start with the Creed. And we all
Speaker 3: know the Creed says one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church,
Speaker 3: and we know how the Cappadocians interpreted that. They interpret
Speaker 3: they're the ones that helped author that section a Constantine
Speaker 3: one and added to the original Nicene Creed. Well, here's
Speaker 3: an icon, and this is the icon commemorating the fathers
Speaker 3: of the six Ecumenical Councils, the first six before the seventh.
Speaker 3: And you'll notice that there's nothing Calvinists are Lutheran about this.
Speaker 3: And when we go read the councils, there's nothing Calvinist
Speaker 3: or Lutheran about these. In fact, we saw last night
Speaker 3: that the Canons of Nicea, for example, talked about the Eucharist,
Speaker 3: talked about excommunication, that talked about the threefold office of presbyter, deacon, presbyter, bishop.
Speaker 3: They talked about, uh, the offering of the Eucharist as
Speaker 3: an oblation of sacrifice, et cetera, et cetera. And I
Speaker 3: want to call attention to another fascinating thing that almost
Speaker 3: nobody talks about, and hopefully with the epilogue is included
Speaker 3: here let's see. Oh wait, maybe it's at the end. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: here we go. So this is a local synod. We're
Speaker 3: just using this as as one example. And Gangra is
Speaker 3: like three between three twenty five to three eighty. So
Speaker 3: right after Anicea there was a local sin I called
Speaker 3: the Council of Gangro. And we're going to notice something
Speaker 3: interesting that Protestants never want you to discuss or never
Speaker 3: talk about. So after all these canons was by the way,
Speaker 3: many of them include canons that are very similar to
Speaker 3: what you see and I see obviously there's canons about
Speaker 3: monastics living a life of virginity, canons about the priesthood.
Speaker 3: I think there's canons about the Eucharist as well. I'm
Speaker 3: going from memory, if anyone shalking in marriage, letting me
Speaker 3: be anathema. So you had the Gnostics still promoting tations
Speaker 3: type views I think, or somebody else's views. I think
Speaker 3: Tation ended up condemning marriage. But look at the epilogue.
Speaker 3: So after all the canons, and by the way, notice
Speaker 3: the fasts and the feasts. If anyone condemns the feasts
Speaker 3: of the martyrs in the liturgy and the commemoration of
Speaker 3: the saints, let him be an aathema. You see Canon twenty.
Speaker 3: So this is right after Nicia. The local Synat of
Speaker 3: Gangra is excommunicating heretics that would condemn sainthood, martyrs, commemoration
Speaker 3: of martyrs, and thus by extension their intercession. Now this
Speaker 3: is the pet doctrine that gay pe Uncut incessantly talks
Speaker 3: about as if there's no patristic evidence, even though it's
Speaker 3: right here in the Council of Gangra because they're commemorated
Speaker 3: in the liturgy. Now, what's the epilogue. This is one
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts. And I remember when I was
Speaker 3: a Protestant and I was trying to grapple with this
Speaker 3: back in the day. I had a hard time with
Speaker 3: this one. It says, thus we write not to cut
Speaker 3: off those who wish to lead in the Church of
Speaker 3: God in aesthetic life. But who want to carry on
Speaker 3: a pretense of asceticism. So this local synod, which is
Speaker 3: still a very prominent local sent on in the early Church,
Speaker 3: it was actually dealing with radical asthetics, people that wanted
Speaker 3: to eschew all marriage. Right again, the thing that Paul says,
Speaker 3: you know, there will be false teachers coming and they
Speaker 3: will forbid marriage. And so this is still going on
Speaker 3: in the three hundreds, and that's why this local senat
Speaker 3: is dealing with this. And it goes on to say,
Speaker 3: these people exalt themselves above those that live simply and
Speaker 3: against the scriptures and the ecclesiastical canon. So notice right here,
Speaker 3: by the fourth century, there's already an understanding of a
Speaker 3: connection between the interpretation of the scriptures in church law
Speaker 3: or ken in law. So there is no diy. Everybody's
Speaker 3: got their scrolls and they're doing private interpretation. Like goober,
Speaker 3: Protestants think, there is the scriptures and then there is
Speaker 3: the canonical ecclesial legal interpretive that the church gives. We
Speaker 3: admeyer virginity with humility, and we have regard for continents.
Speaker 3: But you can't take an extreme view, is essentially what
Speaker 3: this says. Now, let's go down to the bottom here,
Speaker 3: because this is the key point. We approve the gathering
Speaker 3: together in the church for common profit, and we bless
Speaker 3: the charities done to the brethren and to the poor
Speaker 3: according to the traditions of the church. And to sum
Speaker 3: up in a word, we wish that all things that
Speaker 3: have been delivered by the scriptures and by the Apostolic
Speaker 3: traditions be preserved in the churches. Why would this early
Speaker 3: on the Council of Gangra say this because they weren't
Speaker 3: solo scriptura. Yes, there is a high view of the scriptures,
Speaker 3: but there is still not at this late or at
Speaker 3: this early stage, a universally recognized Canada scripture. And yet
Speaker 3: how are they preaching the gospel and existing as an institutional,
Speaker 3: skiple hierarchical church. Oh, because of Apostolic tradition. The Council
Speaker 3: of Gangras says it right here. And as a Protestant,
Speaker 3: I had a hard time with this passage. I didn't
Speaker 3: know what to do with this. I'll show you. Look,
Speaker 3: here's my church Fathers set. This is the seven Ecumenical
Speaker 3: Council's volume. As you can see, it is worn down.
Speaker 3: As you can see, I did actually read it, and
Speaker 3: here's my notes back when I was a Protestant. Uh oh,
Speaker 3: why are they talking about Apostolic tradition as part of
Speaker 3: the paradigm for the scriptures? Uh oh, this was hard
Speaker 3: for me. Now let's look at another synim around the
Speaker 3: same time, and we'll review a couple of the nice
Speaker 3: Seene ones too. Now, when I was a Protestant, the
Speaker 3: only thing I could come up with at this time
Speaker 3: when I was challenged with this one, was well, uh,
Speaker 3: this one is a local council, so it does doesn't
Speaker 3: really count, says who if you're a Protestant. The local
Speaker 3: council's not counting. Also applies to the ecumenical councils not counting,
Speaker 3: because you can pick and choose what you want of
Speaker 3: those as well. So we come over here and I'm
Speaker 3: showing you that the reason that church law matters is
Speaker 3: not whether or not the church law is quote infallible.
Speaker 3: That's not the point. The point is the canons give
Speaker 3: us a better picture of the mindset of the church
Speaker 3: in terms of totality, because it's a broader survey than
Speaker 3: any individual church father. So just assuming that, oh, I
Speaker 3: don't care what councils say, because I have this quote
Speaker 3: from Augustine. That's just assuming that a single church father
Speaker 3: is above a council. Well you don't know that yet.
Speaker 3: What if if the orthodox paradigm's true, then the synod,
Speaker 3: even if it's local, is above any single church father.
Speaker 3: And obviously I'm not talking about fake heterodox synods. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about the ones that are accepted as part of
Speaker 3: the canonical tradition of the church. Are I said, let's
Speaker 3: look at Lao Deicia because this is another local synod
Speaker 3: and this was around three forty three, three point fifty.
Speaker 3: All right, this is just this is not the synat itself.
Speaker 3: Let's try this. Yeah, here we go. Canon six, it
Speaker 3: is not permitted for heretics to enter the House of
Speaker 3: God while they are in heresy. Does that sound like
Speaker 3: anything that god logic Rid Vaughan or even the post
Speaker 3: Vaticans who Protestant is Romanchollolic Church would hold to. Now,
Speaker 3: obviously we don't copy paste read the canons without some
Speaker 3: nuance or without some equantumia. So this is probably talking
Speaker 3: about notorious public heretics, right, like Arius. We don't let
Speaker 3: Arias come to church, right he's been excommunicated or someone
Speaker 3: of that stature, right, because there's going to be people,
Speaker 3: obviously who have wrong ideas who can come to church.
Speaker 3: So this is talking about public known heretics obviously, otherwise
Speaker 3: you couldn't identify who they were. So public known heretics
Speaker 3: are not supposed to be attending the liturgy if they've
Speaker 3: been excommunicated. What Protestant Church upholds this persons converted from
Speaker 3: the heresies that is out of the noovationists, the Botinians,
Speaker 3: the Cordadas, Simians, whether they were catechumans or communicounts among them,
Speaker 3: shall be received, not be received until they've anathematized all
Speaker 3: of their heresies. So you understand, the attitude that we
Speaker 3: have of people converting to the church is the exact
Speaker 3: same attitude in the fourth century at the council at
Speaker 3: the center of Leedisia. We are telling people to do
Speaker 3: the same thing that they were telling them in the
Speaker 3: fourth century to do. And they're mad because we're saying
Speaker 3: there's no church less apologetics. There is no parachurch apologists
Speaker 3: in the first thousand years, it doesn't exist. It's a
Speaker 3: made up Protestant business model idea. Who called you to teach,
Speaker 3: who catechized you, And in the case of Avery, he's
Speaker 3: just taking all of the Orthodox ideas of the monarchy
Speaker 3: of the Father and still acting as if, well, I
Speaker 3: can be an Orthodox apologist while not being Orthodox, because
Speaker 3: I'm not going to defend a church that Jesus said up.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to defend Jesus. The idea of Jesus
Speaker 3: as a divine son of God. Well, there is no
Speaker 3: such thing as a bodyless Jesus, because the church is
Speaker 3: the body. If you're not defending the Jesus that directed
Speaker 3: people to his church, you're defending the wrong Jesus. You
Speaker 3: might as well be defending the Mormon Jesus. At the
Speaker 3: end of the day, even though the proposition is true, Yes,
Speaker 3: Jesus is the son of God, and even though Avery
Speaker 3: means that in the correct sense, if you're sending people
Speaker 3: to judaizing sects, which is what Avery does, then it's
Speaker 3: scattering in vain, scattering. He that does not gather with
Speaker 3: us scatters abroad. That's what Jesus says. Here's Avery sending
Speaker 3: people to synagogues. Oh, I got radar.
Speaker 21: Apologetics is actually a He's a Messianic rabbi. Here he
Speaker 21: says that you can connect with him. He has a synagogue,
Speaker 21: and okay, and so he disciples awesome, he's so so
Speaker 21: radar apologetics. He says, this is the rabbit I'm talking about.
Speaker 21: He says, we disciple online through zoom Bible study.
Speaker 3: So notice how protestant this whole idea is. The church
Speaker 3: is being discipled by a rabbi on zoom. You couldn't
Speaker 3: get more Protestant than that pure proslot. So I don't
Speaker 3: I'm not calling out Avery for cloud dummies. I don't
Speaker 3: need Avery for clout. My metrics are double Avery's. I
Speaker 3: don't need him. I'm calling him out because I care
Speaker 3: about Avery, and I like and care about the people
Speaker 3: in that sphere, and I don't want them going off
Speaker 3: into stupid heresies. But notice the first thing they all
Speaker 3: did was nobody addressed any of the actual arguments. For example,
Speaker 3: name a paarachurch church list apologist in the first thousand years,
Speaker 3: just name one. They just ignored all of the arguments
Speaker 3: all and it's all about Jabad or throw bros Bad.
Speaker 3: This is such a predictable response. This is all they
Speaker 3: do every time, same thing. Muslims do, same thing, Roman
Speaker 3: Catholics do, same thing as everyone else. Do I need
Speaker 3: Avery for Clout. And the only reason people think this
Speaker 3: is that he's got more subscribers on YouTube and TikTok.
Speaker 3: Who cares about that? You can buy subscribers And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying he did. I don't know if he did.
Speaker 3: But what's a better measure of metrics. Something that's harder
Speaker 3: to fake is the search? Okay, so let's look at
Speaker 3: YouTube search and then only oh, why you crucial Bushebob Motris,
Speaker 3: because they're trying to dunk and throw his metrics in
Speaker 3: my face today. That's why look at this. In the
Speaker 3: last year on web search, we're double avery almost always,
Speaker 3: and when it comes to YouTube, we're equal. Why would
Speaker 3: I need somebody that I'm already beating metrics wise for Cloud.
Speaker 3: I don't need that for Clout. So then this whole
Speaker 3: stupid drama today was just like next level ridiculous because
Speaker 3: I don't even know who the Muslim was, all Right,
Speaker 3: So some Muslim dude said, Dyer has a good point
Speaker 3: because he's calling out God logic to and David Wood
Speaker 3: to defend some actual church and some actual tradition and
Speaker 3: not the easy grift of anti Muslim anity and church
Speaker 3: list Jesus. And so then all of these people then make,
Speaker 3: especially David Wood, their whole thing is, oh, he's a
Speaker 3: Muslim sympathizer and supporter. He's with the muslims now. And
Speaker 3: I don't think David would. Is that stupid? I actually
Speaker 3: think he's just being very deceptive, and he's actually more
Speaker 3: of a Sololenskyle style subversive because he has to know
Speaker 3: that agreeing with a Muslim on a point about avery
Speaker 3: not being honest, of course, that doesn't mean I support
Speaker 3: the Muslim worldview. This is so retarded. That's like saying,
Speaker 3: this is what leftist remember the leftists do this. Hitler
Speaker 3: drank water, You drink water, you must be with Hitler.
Speaker 3: The sky is blue? And I say, if a Muslim
Speaker 3: says the sky is blue, and I say, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: David Wood, Look, he supports Islam. That's literally what it
Speaker 3: was as was today. And I'm like, what are you
Speaker 3: even talking about. He's like, you know, this person supports
Speaker 3: doxing and this and that, and I'm like, no, I
Speaker 3: don't even know who the person is. But what does
Speaker 3: that have to do with whether what he said was correct?
Speaker 3: If Judas says and he's being obviously didn't believe it,
Speaker 3: But if Judas went out with the apostles and preached.
Speaker 3: If I say what Judas said was correct, assuming that
Speaker 3: he said things correct, does that make me an Antichrist?
Speaker 3: Judas goat. I'm supporting Judas because Judas said, I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a genetic fallacy, or it's just fallacy of
Speaker 3: guilt by association. And he has to know that that's
Speaker 3: a fallacy, because he's on enough debates to hope surely
Speaker 3: what he would know basic fallacies. So agreeing with somebody's
Speaker 3: point is not an endorsement of the worldview.
Speaker 6: But he knows.
Speaker 3: And I'm beginning to think more and more of this
Speaker 3: is what's actually going on. This is exactly like the
Speaker 3: Christian Prince nonsense from last year. Remember that, Remember when
Speaker 3: Christian Prince said he didn't know who Athenatious even was
Speaker 3: and icons are idols, and he said, I don't care
Speaker 3: who Athenasians is. What does that have to do with
Speaker 3: me in my Bible? All of these people are under
Speaker 3: a delusion, and it doesn't matter that they get a
Speaker 3: lot of things correct, because the delusion furthers other people
Speaker 3: into the delusion, who think I can create my own parachurch,
Speaker 3: e church ministry, but they have no authority to do it.
Speaker 3: There is no connection to the historical church whatsoever. And
Speaker 3: the easy kill shot is, as I pointed out two
Speaker 3: days ago, if the Church of the first thousand years
Speaker 3: was exclusivists in its ecclesiology, and we're seeing that that
Speaker 3: is the case, then you saying I reject all exclusivist
Speaker 3: churches or claims means that you're not part of the
Speaker 3: Church of the first thousand years. That's that simple, and
Speaker 3: that's what Avery said. So people are saying, well, this
Speaker 3: is old David Wood. Now Avery is also saying there
Speaker 3: is no one true church. So notice the stumbling block
Speaker 3: isn't just is Jesus the way the truth in the
Speaker 3: life by extension. If there's one Jesus who had one body,
Speaker 3: there's only one church in history. That's why Paul says
Speaker 3: one Lord, one faith, one Baptism. That's why the Nicene
Speaker 3: Creed says one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. These people won't
Speaker 3: even tell you what church they're in who they don't
Speaker 3: want to get dogs. They don't have to say the
Speaker 3: specific building. They can say, I'm a representative of the
Speaker 3: evangelical free Church. I'm a representative of Billy Bob Strip
Speaker 3: mall Church. I mean, at least the IFB people say
Speaker 3: we're in Stephen Anderson's cult. But none of these people
Speaker 3: will actually even tell you what church they go to,
Speaker 3: because there's no There isn't one. I mean, there isn't
Speaker 3: one that they're defending, is what I'm saying. Maybe they
Speaker 3: go to eve Agelical Church. Who knows. So these people
Speaker 3: will live stream all week long with thirty viewers, and
Speaker 3: then they'll get propped up by all these goobers just
Speaker 3: because it's a racket. Dude, it's nothing to do with theology.
Speaker 3: That's why Mahler and Christian King and this their little
Speaker 3: boot foot soldier minions gay p They won't actually debate.
Speaker 3: Everybody has asked them to do formal debates, and they
Speaker 3: won't do it because it's not even about that. Mallory
Speaker 3: or not. JP even said, I don't really care about theology.
Speaker 3: Rouselan said the same thing, of course, not we saw
Speaker 3: last night. The Peter Druckcker model is that dogma is
Speaker 3: antithetical to a numbers game for megachurches, and they're all
Speaker 3: using the Peter Drucker megachurch model. I thought this was
Speaker 3: a funny little owned by the way cell phone. I
Speaker 3: asked on YouTube the same question, any evangelical parachurch, epologist,
Speaker 3: name one apologist or father or anybody as a representative
Speaker 3: in the first thousand years who had a churchless apologetic
Speaker 3: name one. Oh, there's not one. So they're all doing
Speaker 3: a self appointed business church model. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: if you get a bunch of things correct, because if
Speaker 3: you're sending people to synagogues, it defeats the whole purpose.
Speaker 3: You're sending them from one book worshiping sect to another
Speaker 3: book worshiping sect. They went from Sunni Islam to Rabbinic Judaism,
Speaker 3: but just Messianic. That's another heresy. A sect Judaizing is
Speaker 3: the first heresy, that the first that the Church dealt with.
Speaker 3: And of all people, scam Shamou comes out and says
Speaker 3: that I'm actually corrector well, he has to because he
Speaker 3: claims to be a Catholic, but he's just made up
Speaker 3: his own invention of Apostolic Christianity of ancient churches, which
Speaker 3: is a fallacy. Heresies are ancient, ancient, has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with whether it's true or not. It is a
Speaker 3: quality of the true Church. But you can have an
Speaker 3: ancient heresy, does it make it true? Because it's all
Speaker 3: that's the anachronous fallacy. So here are these heretics. Here's
Speaker 3: this guy being an historian. And notice how they default
Speaker 3: to Astorianism. She is not the mother of the person
Speaker 3: of Christ. Way to be an historian, dude, call in, goober.
Speaker 3: None of these people will call in. Now I lost it.
Speaker 3: Here we go, call in historian. We are live tweeting
Speaker 3: for you guys, and we went for three hours last
Speaker 3: night with only one guy that would actually debate. Okay,
Speaker 3: so then we'll get back to the councils in just
Speaker 3: one second. I mean, this is just such a leftist style,
Speaker 3: effeminate projection here. They just respond with the way that
Speaker 3: they think. Right. They think it's about numbers and clicks,
Speaker 3: and when you find out that, oh, actually I have
Speaker 3: bigger numbers than God, logic, that didn't even make any sense. Now,
Speaker 3: notice how they talk about the four letter words and
Speaker 3: piety signaling and then they turn around and do it.
Speaker 3: So look at these evangelicals. These are the people talking
Speaker 3: about how bad the Ortho bros. Are. By the way,
Speaker 3: I did convert to Islam. Here's the proof. I'll be
Speaker 3: taking my shahada. As you see Lewis exposed me years ago.
Speaker 3: Here's the proof. They tell David Wood he can clip
Speaker 3: that and they can prove to their By the way,
Speaker 3: their Adiq audience will believe this, because the whole grift
Speaker 3: is target these Adiq Muslims, convert them to online e
Speaker 3: church evangelicalism, and then you've got a ready made cult
Speaker 3: of Adiq retard still and that's why they do it.
Speaker 3: That's I'm convinced that's why they do that model. And
Speaker 3: by the way, notice that telling people that they have
Speaker 3: to go to an Orthodox church and that they can't
Speaker 3: just go to any church, that immediately becomes a problem
Speaker 3: for their model. That's why they won't do it. The
Speaker 3: business model is more important, and growing the channel is
Speaker 3: more important then whether or not there's one Holy Catholic
Speaker 3: Gabastolic church. This is not that difficult. It's not rocket science.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're either in this church or you're not. Timothy,
Speaker 3: what's up? What's up?
Speaker 10: Mean?
Speaker 3: I'm you?
Speaker 22: Oh, hey, Jay, I was just gonna call and let
Speaker 22: you know, uh you let.
Speaker 3: Me finish real quick.
Speaker 22: I just want to give you a huge shout out
Speaker 22: and kind of.
Speaker 10: Say, we're all here for you.
Speaker 23: Man.
Speaker 22: I think a lot of people been coming at you lately.
Speaker 19: But dude, we love you.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 22: Our parasocial relationship is that you're my friend. You have
Speaker 22: no idea who I am, but in my mind, you
Speaker 22: know you're my friend. Like Rachel Wilson and Andrew Wilson,
Speaker 22: they're sticking.
Speaker 3: Up for you too, We're all here for you.
Speaker 22: And to be honest with you, like I want to
Speaker 22: bring up historical point because you're bringing up you know
Speaker 22: obviously that it's a grift.
Speaker 23: It's like, well it always has been.
Speaker 22: Right if you got back to the Iman War, which
Speaker 22: I'm sure you have at least past interest in.
Speaker 3: You know, the entire world.
Speaker 24: Dog piled Orthodox uh, dog piled Orthodox Russia to stop
Speaker 24: them from destroying the Ottoman Empire and liberating millions of Christians.
Speaker 24: Why because it was their drift right.
Speaker 14: No oh no, no, I'm making money off these guys.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I used them.
Speaker 25: And that was Catholics, that was Protestants, you know what
Speaker 25: I mean.
Speaker 22: You're talking about World War One, really before World War One.
Speaker 25: That France jumped in there, England jumped in there. It's
Speaker 25: nuts and they're gonna sit here and say.
Speaker 6: We're teaming up with Muslims.
Speaker 3: It's like, nos, well, we're the victims of the Muslims.
Speaker 22: The Orthodox Christian churches is the Antiochian bishop who was
Speaker 22: killed by jihadists from now.
Speaker 3: These guys are these guys are frauds, right.
Speaker 6: They supported rising up.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to hear about exactly exactly. I
Speaker 3: appreciate that the Serbs have fought the Muslims for centuries
Speaker 3: and they're going to act like where Muslim sympathizers because
Speaker 3: of an online comment where I said he's correct criticizing
Speaker 3: god logic. These people are retarded by the way. Notice
Speaker 3: here Canon eight of Leodosea, persons that convert from heresy
Speaker 3: amongst the Phrygians should be baptized and instructed by the bishop.
Speaker 3: So this heresy was notorious enough that they needed to
Speaker 3: have special care with these heretics. Notice how different the
Speaker 3: attitude of the church in the fourth century here right
Speaker 3: after Nicia. How different that attitude is from these goobers
Speaker 3: who think that there's a churchless Jesus and you just
Speaker 3: send them to whatever church. What does this terminology sound like?
Speaker 3: They would be calling all the people at Nicea and
Speaker 3: Laodicea and Gangra orthobros now Heffala, who's the famous commentator
Speaker 3: on canon law, says, this synod is actually dealing with
Speaker 3: the invalid baptisms of the Montanists. Montanus had in fact
Speaker 3: created an entirely weird different version of baptism, and so
Speaker 3: the economia here didn't count. There wasn't economia here because
Speaker 3: Demontanus had so mutilated the theology and the form of
Speaker 3: baptism that the baptism is not valid. And my point
Speaker 3: there is that's the rigor that you hear us talk about.
Speaker 3: We don't automatically de facto grant that everyone has baptism,
Speaker 3: nor did the Church of the early centuries, which is
Speaker 3: the same view as the Orthodox, telling you that we
Speaker 3: have the same view as they do as the fathers. Now,
Speaker 3: look at Canon nine. Let's see if this is an
Speaker 3: acumenius canon. The members of the church are not allowed
Speaker 3: to meet at cemeteries, nor attend the martyaries of heretics.
Speaker 3: You cannot pray at the heretics services. And notice they're
Speaker 3: doing intercessory prayers sat intercestsory prayers, which shows they believed
Speaker 3: it at this time. Refuting gay Pee, and they're saying,
Speaker 3: if you go to the martyrs of the schismatics and
Speaker 3: the heretics, you're excommunicated. Does that sound like the ecumenist
Speaker 3: e Christianity of these frauds and these people doing their grift. No,
Speaker 3: it's what Orthodoxy says. Now, maybe you disagree, you don't
Speaker 3: like all this, fine, just admit that you don't believe
Speaker 3: the Church of the First Ayls. Just admit your position
Speaker 3: is Anabaptist. I will respect the Anabaptists more than these
Speaker 3: people because the Anabaptists, who are absolutely insane lunatics, they'll
Speaker 3: at least admit this is not the right church and
Speaker 3: this is the Orthodox Catholic type stuff, and we don't
Speaker 3: like that. That's Antichrist. So all of these people are heretics.
Speaker 3: They're more consistent than you on this point. Ca members
Speaker 3: of the Church shall not indiscriminately marry their children to heretics.
Speaker 3: Imagine God Logic saying that. Imagine David Woods saying that.
Speaker 3: Imagine Wes Hoff saying that they can't say that because
Speaker 3: there is no visible body that can say who's in
Speaker 3: and who's out. Because everybody's in, oh except Mormons. Why
Speaker 3: because you will believe in the triunity. You don't believe
Speaker 3: in the trinity. You believe in the Protestant Martin Luther
Speaker 3: august Ainian Trinity. You don't believe in the Orthodox Constant
Speaker 3: Anthon noble one Trinity. What are you talking about? Female presidents?
Speaker 3: Canon eleven presiders are not to be appointed in the
Speaker 3: church presbytides. No female priests. Protestant Charismatic churches are full
Speaker 3: of them. Now. Remember this is also because the previous
Speaker 3: canons we're dealing with the Montanus and the Montanus were
Speaker 3: the first heresy in the early Church who believed in
Speaker 3: an ongoing, continuous divine revelation. They ended up snagging Tourtullian,
Speaker 3: who apostatized and became a Montonist. They were also some
Speaker 3: of the first to promote women pastors, women preachers, and teachers,
Speaker 3: so they were early feminists. Okay, well, Canon eleven of
Speaker 3: Leo Deicia already says absolutely not. By the way, this
Speaker 3: is also showing that they wouldn't want a continuing office
Speaker 3: of the deaconess, also not necessary. Canon twelve bishops are
Speaker 3: to be appointed by the ecclesiastical government and the judgment
Speaker 3: of the Metropolitans and neighboring bishops after they've long proved
Speaker 3: their foundation in the faith and conversation of an honest life.
Speaker 3: The only Protestants who could even pretend to say that
Speaker 3: statement are Anglicans, and they're all full gay, so they're
Speaker 3: already done what Protestant could say that. And by the way,
Speaker 3: it refutes Roman Catholicism and shows that they didn't have
Speaker 3: a papal idea because in the Roman Church after the
Speaker 3: Middle Ages, the pope appoints every bishop in the world.
Speaker 3: How come there's no mention of the pope appointing any
Speaker 3: bishops here. How Come it's local and decentralized. Canon thirteen.
Speaker 3: The decision of those who are to become priests is
Speaker 3: not committed to the lay people. Protestantism is a bottom
Speaker 3: up theology. The whole thing is premised on the idea
Speaker 3: that the laity create their own priesthood in church. And
Speaker 3: notice right here that's cut off at the cinema late
Speaker 3: to see you by noting that, no, no, this is
Speaker 3: not a democratic organization to bottom up where you just
Speaker 3: decide to become a priest. Every Protestant preacher has decided
Speaker 3: to become his own priest. But what I wanted to
Speaker 3: note was Canon nine.
Speaker 6: Note that.
Speaker 3: The celebration of the martyrs and their intercession and their
Speaker 3: feast days already exists, and you cannot do it amongst
Speaker 3: the heretics. That means there's one true, holy Orthodox, visible
Speaker 3: Apostolic Church. Now there's a longer form I think of these. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thirty three, check this one out. Thirty one is not
Speaker 3: lawful to make marriage with any kind of heretic Canon
Speaker 3: thirty three. Look at this. No one shall join in
Speaker 3: prayer with heretics and schismatics. So what Protestants don't understand
Speaker 3: this is a key point here, is that heresy and
Speaker 3: schism only makes sense in terms of canonical limitations, canon law,
Speaker 3: And since Protestants don't have canon law, there's no sense
Speaker 3: to the idea them being able to judge who is
Speaker 3: and isn't a heretic. For the Orthodox, the canonical churches,
Speaker 3: the ones that follow and are in communion, that follow
Speaker 3: the canons and the canons, but why are not interpreted
Speaker 3: by the individuals are interpreted by the bishops, as Trolo says.
Speaker 3: And Trolo says, the bishops have the authority to titan
Speaker 3: or laxina laxing up, make a word up the application
Speaker 3: of the canons, not the laity and not the priests.
Speaker 3: The bishops have the authority to do that. But how
Speaker 3: is a heretic or schismatic determined canonically? Those that are
Speaker 3: not in the canonical church are the heretics, and the
Speaker 3: schismatics do not forsake Christian martyrs and turn to false
Speaker 3: martyrs amongst the heretics. This is why I said that
Speaker 3: may angered all the Cops. I said, Orthodox, we can't
Speaker 3: accept Coptic murdyers. I'm sorry, I'm just being faithful to
Speaker 3: my tradition. And then, like the Muslims that they are,
Speaker 3: the Coptics all lost their mind and tried to and
Speaker 3: they acted like the Muslims that they are. Christians must
Speaker 3: not forsake the Catholic Church of God and go away
Speaker 3: invoking angels, gathering assemblies, et cetera. So this is thinking,
Speaker 3: you can't go into weird angel theology and rites. You
Speaker 3: cannot enter the priesthood and be a magician, an occultist,
Speaker 3: et cetera. It says mathematician, but at that time that
Speaker 3: just meant a person that was associated with sigils, right,
Speaker 3: It is not lawful to participate, we'll say, in the
Speaker 3: feasts of Jews and heretics. By the way, if it's
Speaker 3: not lawful to participate in the feast of Jews and heretics,
Speaker 3: how does that comport with Rid Vaughan and David Wood's
Speaker 3: rabid Zionism. No one amongst the priesthood or the clergy
Speaker 3: may travel without letters that are canonical. This means that
Speaker 3: you get permission to so that you don't invade and
Speaker 3: go into other people's jurisdictions. That's what this is talking about.
Speaker 3: Look at Canon forty four. Women may not go to
Speaker 3: the altar. Protestants don't have an altar. What Protestants are
Speaker 3: forbidding women to be at the altar and on the altar?
Speaker 3: None of them because there is no altar. So who
Speaker 3: has the church that's the same as the Church of
Speaker 3: the fourth century. We do, and it's also not the
Speaker 3: basically a humanist, apostate Vatican two church right now, that's
Speaker 3: just lao to see it. So we've just looked at
Speaker 3: two local synods as example texts of the mindset of
Speaker 3: the Church in the fourth century. Both of those are
Speaker 3: right after Nicia, right And as a review, we'll look
Speaker 3: back at the Canons of Nicia really quick, because most Protestants,
Speaker 3: who are of course largely typically ignorant, they think, oh,
Speaker 3: I believe the Council of Nasia because I love Athnatius
Speaker 3: and he just taught the dude who chrish. No, that's
Speaker 3: not all he taught. That's not all Nicia teaches either,
Speaker 3: by the way, so we'll note in the Canons of
Speaker 3: Nicea one three twenty five there's limitations on who can
Speaker 3: become clergy based on the canons at that time. In
Speaker 3: other words, if you castrated yourself like origin did, you
Speaker 3: cannot be among it's the clergy canon one. Have you
Speaker 3: ever heard of anything like this that do Protestants even
Speaker 3: have canon law? Of course not, then they're not in
Speaker 3: line with the church, the basic functioning of the church.
Speaker 3: And at Nicea, which they all claim to love, the
Speaker 3: whole Protestant the evangelical ethos is just based on you
Speaker 3: being ignorant. The whole thing is based on you not
Speaker 3: actually seeing and knowing what they actually said at Nicia.
Speaker 3: And once you go and look, you can either become
Speaker 3: a reform a radical reformation person that said the church
Speaker 3: died like Ann Lee, George Fox Paul Washer or you
Speaker 3: become Catholic Orthodox and if you become Catholic, we got
Speaker 3: about a thousand videos on the problem that you're going
Speaker 3: to encounter that way. So, uh, let's say we've got
Speaker 3: any callers. Michael, what's up? Michael?
Speaker 19: Was?
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, Jay, how are you doing good?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I like to just stay I'm with you on this.
Speaker 26: I kind of see like this is just pure craziness,
Speaker 26: like comparing us to Gie Hottis.
Speaker 3: Now, I think he knows better than that. He's just
Speaker 3: reaching for the most. He knows it is low IQ
Speaker 3: audience will uh fall for emotional appeals and guilt by association.
Speaker 3: I mean the entire audience that he has is like
Speaker 3: evangelicals that have converted out of Islam. So that's it.
Speaker 3: That's what they respond to, emotional appeals and guilt by association,
Speaker 3: not argumentation and logic impacts.
Speaker 27: Well, I'm going to be heading.
Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm planning to head because I live in California
Speaker 26: to Saint Herman of Alaska Monetary, the same monastery Saint
Speaker 26: Terre from Rose was that and and I want to
Speaker 26: see if I could bring back something with me so
Speaker 26: I could send it to you.
Speaker 3: Uh, Yeah, hope you have a good time. That's cool.
Speaker 3: I've heard good things about that place. I've never been
Speaker 3: there myself, but I did really enjoy many years ago
Speaker 3: the roc Ord Cathedral in San Francisco where they have
Speaker 3: the relics of Saint John. That was really cool. Christopher,
Speaker 3: what's up? Christopher? Quit the fuck goo?
Speaker 10: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: So I'm doing Christopher? And Tony go ahead, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 12: Jay?
Speaker 3: I have two quick things.
Speaker 28: So the first thing is all these Protestant grifters who
Speaker 28: do their like apologetics and say, oh, just become a
Speaker 28: Christian and he's like, okay, well, you know they're they're evangelical.
Speaker 25: So what kind of church should they go to?
Speaker 29: Should they go to Gavin Ortland's you know, Calvinist church
Speaker 29: or do I did they.
Speaker 10: Go to the church?
Speaker 3: No, they need to be under, they need to be under.
Speaker 3: They need to be under doctor Russell Moore and Gavin
Speaker 3: Ortland's gay pastor Alberry or whatever. That's that's the true church.
Speaker 3: The true church is the butt clapping pastors.
Speaker 28: That just makes me so sick because people watch them
Speaker 28: online and they're like, oh, they're so big, they're converting Muslims.
Speaker 25: And it's like the Muslim walks into the charismatic churches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly become a Christian. Yeah, they convert them from
Speaker 3: Islam to UH, from one book worship to another book worship.
Speaker 3: Ref Beasy, what's up? By the way, you notice when
Speaker 3: you read these cannons, Oh, they sound like the mean
Speaker 3: Arthur bros. Don't they? They sound just like the mean
Speaker 3: Artho bros. What's up? Ray Beazy? What's up?
Speaker 23: I mean, Hey, I was looking at some of the
Speaker 23: West hosts hosts, and it was I think it was
Speaker 23: where when he blocked you, he said, letting no unwholesome
Speaker 23: word proceed from your mouth. Well, then he turns around
Speaker 23: it says he just happened to run into sam Olberry
Speaker 23: when he was there for Sean Ryan. But if you
Speaker 23: look at his picture, he's standing right in front of
Speaker 23: sam Olberry's church.
Speaker 3: Mmm, so he didn't actually he didn't actually just happen
Speaker 3: to run into him. They were he was at his church. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it sounds like West half lying.
Speaker 30: I mean, isn't that unwholesome?
Speaker 10: Lying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's unwholesome? Yeah, great, great, find great notice I
Speaker 3: didn't know that yet. Most of these people, by the way,
Speaker 3: I've noticed over the year, like, you can't actually believe
Speaker 3: half of what these people say. I mean, evangelicals are
Speaker 3: very notorious for, uh, the nice friendly face and then
Speaker 3: the absolutely just nasty snake behavior in the background. George,
Speaker 3: what's up? So you'll notice? Look, I know, people, this
Speaker 3: is the traditions of men in the Book of Acts,
Speaker 3: in Acts fifteen, the exact same pattern of a council
Speaker 3: deciding an issue and laying out a pattern of canon
Speaker 3: church law. In Acts fifteen, they say, we decide this,
Speaker 3: Let this letter be sent to the churches. This is
Speaker 3: the decision. That's the pattern of all of these other synoles.
Speaker 3: That's what the church is. What's up, man?
Speaker 31: Hey, j can you hear me?
Speaker 7: I'm in my car.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the MIC's on. Yes, I can.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 19: So I was thinking of a solar scripture the other day.
Speaker 19: You know, I converted to Orthodoxy a few months ago,
Speaker 19: and you know in the in the broadestant world, they
Speaker 19: have this doctrine or this idea where it's ongoing reformation.
Speaker 3: Correct, absolutely, yeah, And that's why I'm.
Speaker 19: Guessing that's open to the canon always being revised and reviewed.
Speaker 19: Maybe they have an extra book or they're missing books.
Speaker 3: They're basically they have they have to admit that, but
Speaker 3: they don't want to admit that point. You mean, they
Speaker 3: can't have scripture exactly so, and the problem with that,
Speaker 3: the very evident problem with that. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you already know this, but just dawned on me the
Speaker 3: other day.
Speaker 19: I mean, if Solar Scriptura is saying that the Canon
Speaker 19: ultimately is the only source infallible authority, but they have
Speaker 19: to also admit that it's always being open for revision,
Speaker 19: that means their only authority is technically compromised and always
Speaker 19: open for revision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was arguing to the Baptist guy. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I watch that debate. Yeah, and he said, I said,
Speaker 3: don't you think the canon is If you think the
Speaker 3: canon is fallible, could it be different? And he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I guess so, yeah, And I got one more question,
Speaker 3: if you got time for it. So the Word of God,
Speaker 3: that's hold on. Notice how silly that is with his
Speaker 3: argument that the k KJV is an eternal book in heaven.
Speaker 3: And then he turns around and says that the cannon
Speaker 3: could be wrong.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 19: I mean, I didn't expect him to say that. I
Speaker 19: was hoping it was just like a misunderstanding going on.
Speaker 19: But he really does believe that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's the Stephen. That's Stephen Anderson's cult. They
Speaker 3: teach that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: I got one more quick question. It's a theological one.
Speaker 3: You got time for it or you want to go ahead.
Speaker 19: This has to do with Old Testament sacrifice or what
Speaker 19: was going on in the Old Testament when they would
Speaker 19: offer up the I think the ram or of the goats.
Speaker 3: I forget in the Orthodox mindset, in our paradigm.
Speaker 19: If because I used to believe in PSA, and I
Speaker 19: used to always trace PSA back to the Old Testament
Speaker 19: and say, oh, you can see it in the story
Speaker 19: of Abraham and his son. You could see it in
Speaker 19: Canaan Mabel. So how do what's going on in that sacrifice?
Speaker 19: In the Orthodox mindset?
Speaker 3: They're simply typological. That's it.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you watch watch the stream
Speaker 3: that Cleve did with Father Stephen I'm excuse me, Alex
Speaker 3: did with Father Stephen de Young. It's like a four
Speaker 3: hour stream where they just spent four hours on PSA.
Speaker 3: Father Stephen Young is one of the best on that
Speaker 3: topic of the animal sacrifices. Go so go check that
Speaker 3: stream out just looking. What's up?
Speaker 8: Hey, Dian can you hear me?
Speaker 25: Okay, hey, I have a question for you, brother, But
Speaker 25: before I do, I just want to say God bless
Speaker 25: you man and thank you. It's a big part of
Speaker 25: my conversion from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy was your like
Speaker 25: complete dismantling of the system. I used to be comfortable
Speaker 25: with that Sam Shamon Apostolic generic Church, and he just
Speaker 25: made that intellectually untenable. So I just want to I
Speaker 25: want to thank you, brothers, and I want to encourage
Speaker 25: you to keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 3: I think it's great.
Speaker 25: And my question for you Jay, and I forgive me
Speaker 25: if it's a little off topic, but so if I
Speaker 25: joined the Orthodox Church via the Ukrainian Orthodox Church under
Speaker 25: the patriarch of Bartholomy, the ec medical patriarch right, and
Speaker 25: you know they have beef with the Russian Church.
Speaker 3: I know that you're in the.
Speaker 25: Russian Orthodox Church, But.
Speaker 3: What does that mean to me?
Speaker 25: Like, as I've been Orthodox is December twenty twenty five,
Speaker 25: Like what should I not?
Speaker 3: It has no effect on you until there's an official
Speaker 3: breaking of excommunication. So it's been many many periods in
Speaker 3: history of the Church when various patriarchs were out of
Speaker 3: communion with other patriarchts and nobody held the laity accountable.
Speaker 3: The only time it would become a situation and be
Speaker 3: accountable would be if there is a giant split in
Speaker 3: the church. If the MP and other patriarchates excommunicate Bartholomew,
Speaker 3: then at that point, after the ex communication, the churches
Speaker 3: on our side would not accept the sacraments of your side.
Speaker 3: So until that happens, it's not a problem. Soul glow.
Speaker 3: What's up, dude? By the way, here I found the
Speaker 3: patron saint of the online evangelical epologists. This is Saint
Speaker 3: Dunning Krueger of the Holy Shofar, and he's of course
Speaker 3: he's got a ruseln Godly Ambition T shirt and he's
Speaker 3: got the John Hagey Show Far. So for those of
Speaker 3: you that are evangelicals that are looking for transcendent help,
Speaker 3: you can ask for the intercession. Tell tell gaypee and cut.
Speaker 3: He can ask for the intercession of Saint Dunning Krueger
Speaker 3: of the Holy Show Far. What's up man?
Speaker 10: Hello?
Speaker 3: Yep, it was So what's going on, Jay? Can you
Speaker 3: hear you? Yeah? What's on your mind?
Speaker 32: Uh?
Speaker 33: Hey, yeah, So I've been watching your stuff for a
Speaker 33: few weeks now. I'm like currently on a journey trying
Speaker 33: to figure out really what the true church is. I
Speaker 33: was raised Southern Baptist, kind of evangelical me too, yeah uh.
Speaker 33: And you know, I was looking around and I only
Speaker 33: really ever knew of was the beast between the Protestant
Speaker 33: Church and perhaps maybe the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: I always thought it was just either or with those two.
Speaker 33: I never even heard about then, idea of an Orthodox
Speaker 33: church that followed tradition that wasn't Catholic up until my
Speaker 33: mid twenties or even recently. And I'm just really curious
Speaker 33: and I want to kind of get your perspective on it.
Speaker 3: And I know I can just google it maybe, But.
Speaker 33: What I guess I don't understand really because the more
Speaker 33: research I do, the more I'm seeing that a lot
Speaker 33: of this Orthodox he's rooted in real history that we
Speaker 33: can trace, and a lot of this Baptist stuff and
Speaker 33: you know, these trip Molle churches don't really do the same.
Speaker 3: But what I don't understand, why why not just be Orthodox?
Speaker 33: If you're going to be Baptists and go with most
Speaker 33: of the right teachings but then not take some of
Speaker 33: the extracurricular things from other apostles.
Speaker 3: Or well, I mean there's there's again, there's like a million, million,
Speaker 3: myriad reasons why a person might not convert. They might
Speaker 3: have family members they don't want to upset. They might
Speaker 3: have a wife a husband that will get mad if
Speaker 3: they get into it. They might lose their income. They
Speaker 3: might have an ideological ego commitment to having a thousand
Speaker 3: Protestant scholar books that they I mean, there's a million
Speaker 3: different reasons why they wouldn't convert.
Speaker 33: The maybe perhaps invested too much in their life. I
Speaker 33: guess yeah, sun can cause intellectually dishonest, having so much
Speaker 33: information available that they would perhaps refuse to even look
Speaker 33: at this.
Speaker 3: Well that's why, yes, that's why so many people are converting.
Speaker 3: I appreciate your call is because it takes like two
Speaker 3: seconds to go look on New Advent and see what
Speaker 3: the Canons and Icea teach and guess what they don't
Speaker 3: teach Baptist stuff. So there you go, so so much
Speaker 3: for I'm in line with the Church fathers and Athanasius
Speaker 3: at Nicea. So let's look at a couple more canon too,
Speaker 3: and Icea says, if you convert out of Heathenism, things
Speaker 3: should still be done according to the church canons, the
Speaker 3: church law. Okay, slow boys, this is not talking about
Speaker 3: the Bible canon. This is church cannon. There's canon law
Speaker 3: before there's Bible canon. Do you guys even realize that
Speaker 3: the church is working in an apostolic tradition before there's
Speaker 3: even a Bible collected together. So the people that are
Speaker 3: converted from Heathenism, they have to be instructed. This is
Speaker 3: the catechumenate, and it says do not immediately advance them
Speaker 3: to the episcope or the priesthood. You need to be
Speaker 3: in the church for a while before you become a
Speaker 3: priest or a bishop. That's what this is saying right here.
Speaker 3: And catechumens need a longer trial. Citing Saint Paul, do
Speaker 3: not let a novice be converted, because in pride he
Speaker 3: will be lifted up. How much more applicable is this
Speaker 3: to the online e apologist's sphere, who are all self
Speaker 3: appointed preachers and teachers, And notice the threefold office of priest, bishop,
Speaker 3: And then later this it'll say right here in Kennon three,
Speaker 3: we forbid any bishop, priest deacon to have women living
Speaker 3: with them that aren't mothers or sisters or wives. See
Speaker 3: that right there, Isaac, what's up? There's no Protestant churches
Speaker 3: except for maybe some Lutherans and some Anglicans that have
Speaker 3: bishop priest deacon. Right there, you can see you don't
Speaker 3: have the ecclesial structure of the church at the Council
Speaker 3: of Mesa. What's up, man, Isaac?
Speaker 25: Hey ca hear me?
Speaker 10: Huh.
Speaker 3: I just had a couple of questions.
Speaker 29: Most I'm not Orthodox, but I've been going to my
Speaker 29: local parish for a little over months now and I've
Speaker 29: been able to talk with the father there about getting
Speaker 29: into catechy system, being a catechumen and Uh. One of
Speaker 29: the things that's the best difficult for me, I come
Speaker 29: from a non denominational background, is.
Speaker 6: Knowing that this is the right thing to do.
Speaker 8: But I I'm unable to bring everyone I can.
Speaker 3: Love about with me to it. Well, I mean that's
Speaker 3: just part of the nature of the Gospel. I mean,
Speaker 3: Jesus says I came not to bring peace, but a
Speaker 3: sword to divide one household against the household against itself,
Speaker 3: mother against father, children against parents, et cetera. So that's
Speaker 3: just part of it, man, and you can, you know,
Speaker 3: continue to pray for them and eventually you might win
Speaker 3: them over spacelift. What what's up? By the way, do
Speaker 3: we have any evangelicals that disagree?
Speaker 23: Hey?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
Speaker 8: First?
Speaker 6: I say that Mormon faith live.
Speaker 29: Thang is a fire song?
Speaker 3: Thank you, but thank I just.
Speaker 12: Wanted to ask what do you think about the pope audience?
Speaker 10: Haul?
Speaker 25: Have you ever like seen it?
Speaker 3: What do you think about that? I mean it could
Speaker 3: have been I mean it's obviously a bro it's obviously
Speaker 3: a modernist style of architecture, and it does kind of
Speaker 3: look like a snake. And whether they intended that I
Speaker 3: don't know, but that's not got what I'm gonna baseline
Speaker 3: anti rummy Catholic paple apologetics on debt these kings? What's up?
Speaker 3: I'm you? Does does king? I'm you?
Speaker 10: Can you hear me?
Speaker 23: Bro?
Speaker 3: Heah? What's up?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 3: Thank you for taking my call?
Speaker 34: So I want to ask a question about epistemology if
Speaker 34: that's okay?
Speaker 35: Okay, So I believe you recommended it to me, like, well,
Speaker 35: not to me, but to your audience a while ago
Speaker 35: about a website, the Stanford Cycle of Philosophy Encyclopedia or.
Speaker 3: Something like that. Yeah, it's just a standard online philosoph cyclopedia.
Speaker 3: What about it?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was working through that.
Speaker 34: There's an epistemology article on there, and pistemology goes whoy
Speaker 34: deeper than I initially thought.
Speaker 3: But correct me if I'm wrong, Jay, But is a pistemology.
Speaker 34: Epistemology is a study of like what truth is and
Speaker 34: do you have good reasons to believe in what you
Speaker 34: believe in?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 3: Correct? Okay?
Speaker 35: So I read I watched a video a while ago
Speaker 35: on with this guy named reader Paul.
Speaker 34: He has a video about Protestant epistemology, and I believe
Speaker 34: he says in his video that Protestants do not have
Speaker 34: any epistemic justification for their interpretation of scripture.
Speaker 5: But is that completely accurate to say that they.
Speaker 34: Don't have any justification or they just don't have a
Speaker 34: good justification, Because the Protestant can say that, well, I
Speaker 34: believe in the sixty six books, I have good reasons
Speaker 34: to believe in that based on you know.
Speaker 23: X, Y, and Z.
Speaker 34: But that's that could still count as a justification just
Speaker 34: not as a thorough one as would be us orthonized Christians.
Speaker 3: No, I don't even think I don't think we would
Speaker 3: even grant that that is a justification, because justification typically
Speaker 3: is JTB justified true belief if you go with the
Speaker 3: classic view, which I think we typically would with some
Speaker 3: qualifications like the Gettier problem. But so, I mean, they
Speaker 3: are offering a justification, but whether it is a good
Speaker 3: justification is the very thing in question.
Speaker 34: Okay, But yeah, like I said, and I appreciate that,
Speaker 34: but they still have it's a bad justification, but it
Speaker 34: is a justification.
Speaker 3: It would be inaccurate to say that's not a justification,
Speaker 3: but it's just not a good one.
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 3: But I mean that's the whole thing, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: I can have if it's not a good justification, then
Speaker 3: it's really not a justification at all. That's the whole
Speaker 3: point of epistemology, as you already said, is to hammer
Speaker 3: home the good reasons for a belief, not just any
Speaker 3: old reasons. But great question. I appreciate that. Tingoo, what's up? Tingoo?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 10: Hey? What's up? Jane?
Speaker 34: How you doing?
Speaker 19: Hey?
Speaker 36: If you let me, can I have maybe one or
Speaker 36: two minutes just to kind of give you a background
Speaker 36: story here on something.
Speaker 3: Sure, okay, so.
Speaker 36: Yeah, I'll trend keep it really short. But thanks to
Speaker 36: you and Jimbob especially. You know, I've been going to
Speaker 36: liturgy for about three four weeks now and super thankful
Speaker 36: for that.
Speaker 3: But last Sunday I went to.
Speaker 36: My mom's church, which is a Protestant Evangelical church, you know,
Speaker 36: for Mother's Day, just to kind of honor my mother,
Speaker 36: I decided, okay, I'll skip liturgy and go to her church.
Speaker 3: When I got there, though, you know, it was just all.
Speaker 36: The Protestant garbage, you know, they you know, the worship
Speaker 36: was just multiple guitars and drum kits.
Speaker 6: And stuff and just you know, they didn't take communion.
Speaker 36: Or the Eucharist or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 36: And then I was thinking afterward, you know, I've been
Speaker 36: watching and tuning into a lot of Jimbob stuff and
Speaker 36: he doesn't really grant anybody a single inch when he
Speaker 36: does debates, and it was just getting me thinking, and
Speaker 36: I was like, why do we even grant Protestants the
Speaker 36: word church like Ruis Laan and his you know whatever
Speaker 36: R and B church, Like why don't we even grant
Speaker 36: them the word church?
Speaker 3: Well, technically, technically we don't, because if you go back
Speaker 3: to the Council of Florence, when Saint Mark of Ephesus
Speaker 3: initially was invited and thought he had high hopes for
Speaker 3: the reunion, and in that setting he was talking about
Speaker 3: Rome and the possibility of Rome being reunited because of
Speaker 3: all the things that we had in common. However, after
Speaker 3: that he referred to after he saw that that wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna happen, it was futile. He refers to them as
Speaker 3: a parasynagogue, a heterodox synthity. Now that the Roman Catholics are,
Speaker 3: after that situation, a heteroix non church entity, how much
Speaker 3: more are the Protestants who don't even have any semblance
Speaker 3: of the foremarks of the church. So I forgot. There's
Speaker 3: a couple more canons that we want to look at here,
Speaker 3: and we're going to go to Nicea. We're going to
Speaker 3: go to the Apostolic Canons. So as we move through Nicea,
Speaker 3: we note that in Canon four bishops are supposed to
Speaker 3: be appointed by the local bishops in the province. Right,
Speaker 3: and there's some economia for urgent necessity for other situations
Speaker 3: being possible in this case, in emergency and whatnot, has
Speaker 3: to be eventually signed off on by the metropolitan, which
Speaker 3: is the bishop of like the big city, the large
Speaker 3: central thing. Where are the metropolitan bishops of the amongst Protestants?
Speaker 3: Is there anything like that? I've never even heard of that.
Speaker 3: And noticed, by the way, there's nothing about the Bishop
Speaker 3: of Rome confirming all the bishops in the world.
Speaker 10: Here.
Speaker 3: Canon five deals with cases of excommunication, how to deal
Speaker 3: with people excommunicated? Again, Protestants don't have that. Canon six
Speaker 3: is the ancient customs of the Bishop of Alexandria having
Speaker 3: a jurisdiction comparable to the Bishop of Rome, as well
Speaker 3: as Antioch having its comparable jurisdiction. And these are the three.
Speaker 3: These are three patrine sees right, Rome, Alexandria Antioch are
Speaker 3: the ancient patrine sees. And this is according to what
Speaker 3: ecclesiastical law right there. See that, and then it says,
Speaker 3: let the choice of the majority prevail in certain situations
Speaker 3: when there's jurisdictional squabbles amongst these bishops and bishoprics. So
Speaker 3: Canon law and senidality right there, not Roman Vatican I,
Speaker 3: Papalism and Canon six. But notice as our main point
Speaker 3: today is not about papism, but nothing like Protestantism at all.
Speaker 3: All of those things that redeemed Zuomer and wes Hop
Speaker 3: and Rus Lawn and David Wood and all of these
Speaker 3: people think Gavin Ortland are the accretions are there right
Speaker 3: there at nice one. The next one is about people
Speaker 3: who were lapsed in persecution. Talks about bishops, priest and
Speaker 3: deacons again, excommunication again. Then there's another one about don't
Speaker 3: ordain the present to the priesthood too quickly, don't ordain
Speaker 3: people that are ignorant. There's another one.
Speaker 23: Now.
Speaker 3: Canon eleven is interesting because it talks about the sacrifice
Speaker 3: of the Eucharist and the prayers with the population or
Speaker 3: the congregation, and the oblation, which is the Eucharistic oblation.
Speaker 3: And we're going to see, by the way, in a minute,
Speaker 3: proof of the real presence as well. Let's see the
Speaker 3: next one is about military situation. Canon thirteen concerning those
Speaker 3: that are dying. The ancient canon law is still to
Speaker 3: be maintained. So notice that, Nicia, they're already maintaining earlier
Speaker 3: canon law church law to it that if a man
Speaker 3: is at the point of death, he should not be
Speaker 3: deprived of the indispensable viaticum, and that's just Eucharist at deathbed.
Speaker 3: That's your final rights. So notice that, and I see
Speaker 3: they're already talking about final rights. But if you're restored
Speaker 3: again to health, then he can also communicate, but in
Speaker 3: gener and prayers only. In general, in the case of
Speaker 3: a dying person asking to receive the Eucharist, let the bishop,
Speaker 3: after examination give it to him. The next one is
Speaker 3: about catechumans who fell under persecution. The next one is
Speaker 3: about bishop, priest deacon moving outside of their jurisdictions and
Speaker 3: that can cause scandal. Sixteen same thing. Bishops, priests and
Speaker 3: deacons shall not go amongst all the other jurisdictions and
Speaker 3: cause problems in squad. Wait a minute, where's the exception
Speaker 3: for the Bishop of Rome who has universal autocratic jurisdiction. Supposedly,
Speaker 3: Canon seventeen is about usury and clergy should invest engage
Speaker 3: in usury. Canon eighteen is about this is a great one.
Speaker 3: Check this out. This proves a real presence. It has
Speaker 3: come to the knowledge of the Synod that in some
Speaker 3: districts deacons administer the eucharists to the priests, whereas no
Speaker 3: canon or tradition or custom permits this. They have no
Speaker 3: right to offer to them that do the offering. So
Speaker 3: the priest is the one that does the eucharistic offering.
Speaker 3: Thus the deacon has no right to offer it to
Speaker 3: the higher since he's the lower. And also this has
Speaker 3: been made known that certain deacons touch the eucharists before
Speaker 3: the bishops do. Oh interesting, that's not Protestant at all.
Speaker 3: That's the real presidence coobers. Let all such practices go away.
Speaker 3: Let deacons remain within their own bounds. They are ministers
Speaker 3: of the bishop, and they are the inferior of the presbyter,
Speaker 3: Bishop priest deacon, the threefold office that the Orthodox Church
Speaker 3: still has. Notice it's not super bishop Rome, bishop priest deacon,
Speaker 3: it's not the fourfold office of Vatican one. It's just
Speaker 3: bishop priest deacon. Now check this out. Let them that
Speaker 3: receive the eucharists according to their order after the presbyters,
Speaker 3: and let either the bishop or the presbyter administer it. Furthermore,
Speaker 3: let not deacon sit amongst presbyters, and if they disobey
Speaker 3: this decree, they are deposed from the diaconate. Does that
Speaker 3: sound like do it yourself? Bible Baptist, Presbyterian and Manu
Speaker 3: Old Church theology. Does that sound like Rousselan's rhythm and
Speaker 3: blues charts? Does that sound like rap charts? Be honest, chase,
Speaker 3: what's up? Hey? I got one for you. You remember
Speaker 3: this has to do with like rustlan and stuff.
Speaker 18: You remember that old saying where it's like sticks and
Speaker 18: stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Speaker 3: I don't think they know about that. Uh well, isn't
Speaker 3: Rouselin from a supposedly rough gang lifestyle background, Like, seriously,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 18: I think it's like feminism and all this enlightenment philosophy.
Speaker 3: It's just baked in, like everybody's becoming a whimp. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're all faking gay dude, exactly. I think that's the
Speaker 3: root of it is that these boys are soft. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: if you you only care about what's true, which is
Speaker 3: the assumption that we all have about each other. Right,
Speaker 3: We're all out here supposed to be submitting to what's true,
Speaker 3: why would you not even want to do a debate
Speaker 3: and to lose if you have the wrong position. If
Speaker 3: I have the wrong position, I want to lose the
Speaker 3: debate to be in the correct position. Because that's what
Speaker 3: ultimately matters. Your major point is justin Martyr that's one
Speaker 3: point fifty. You call that early church? Yeah, I do
Speaker 3: call that early church. Goofball, Dan, what's up, JOJ?
Speaker 35: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: I got two questions.
Speaker 15: First, if the priest spills the Eucharist and it's on
Speaker 15: some carpet, you got to burn that carpet.
Speaker 3: They have to eat it up really quick.
Speaker 25: Oh true, like lick it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they do. Okay, I've seen them. I've
Speaker 3: seen it. I've seen it happen in church lifetime. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Drego's what's up if they think there's particles that might
Speaker 3: burn it? I don't know, actually what the I don't
Speaker 3: know exactly what the teaching on that is. But I
Speaker 3: mean saying, was it Saint John Maximovich somebody threw up
Speaker 3: one time and he ate the vomit because they threw
Speaker 3: up after the Eucharist. That's not the same thing as
Speaker 3: Margaret Mary Ala Coquay eating feces and vomit because she
Speaker 3: thought it was a sign of humility. What's up, man?
Speaker 37: Drego's, Oh, yeah, all this stuff, but like what do
Speaker 37: you mean by like false? Like even because of them
Speaker 37: is like false what I mean about what what do
Speaker 37: you mean by like that? It's the evangelicalism is false,
Speaker 37: Like what do you mean by false?
Speaker 3: It's a false teaching, false religion, false gospel.
Speaker 7: So you seem like anyone who follows it is.
Speaker 3: Like not saved or I can't judge the individuals because
Speaker 3: God can still bring those people. Salvation for us is
Speaker 3: not praying the billy grand prayer. Salvation is did you
Speaker 3: persevere until the end.
Speaker 38: So if you like them, he followed like the book
Speaker 38: to like exact tea, but you don't like follow the
Speaker 38: actual church, but you're still trying.
Speaker 3: There is no There is no following the book to
Speaker 3: a t without the church, because the book directs you
Speaker 3: to a church. But if the book tells, if the
Speaker 3: book tells you to go to the church, there's no
Speaker 3: such thing as doing it without the church. Crombopolos, what's up?
Speaker 3: But I thank you for your call. This is the
Speaker 3: whole point with this sphere. They want Jesus without his body,
Speaker 3: so they want a headless, floating, abstract Jesus and join
Speaker 3: whatever sect you want. It doesn't work. This is the
Speaker 3: same problem that by the way, this has already happened
Speaker 3: decades ago, even in the evangelical world. So back in
Speaker 3: the day when Billy Graham was doing all of his
Speaker 3: big stadium preaching, and he actually would have people from
Speaker 3: all denominations receiving the converts that would come down and
Speaker 3: pray the sinner's prayer. I'm being serious. And it became
Speaker 3: a huge scandal because the committed Protestant evangelicals were like,
Speaker 3: why do we have this Roman Catholic guy over here,
Speaker 3: Why do we have this weird other sectarian over here
Speaker 3: receiving the converts? It makes no sense. It was a
Speaker 3: huge scandal, and there were books written back in the nineties,
Speaker 3: eighties and nineties calling out Billy Graham as a tool
Speaker 3: of the establishment because it was just preaching Jesus and
Speaker 3: creating all of these phonies. People who think to their
Speaker 3: Christians because they also the sols come down the all
Speaker 3: to say the soils prall. Why we'll give you a
Speaker 3: hot sluss of pizza if you'll pray to Jesus and
Speaker 3: your heart. Look, football, come into your hot right now.
Speaker 3: The NFL will save you. Just nonsense, And then you
Speaker 3: have billions of boomers, not billions, but you have a giant.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's guess fifty million Boomers because of
Speaker 3: Billy Graham that think I'm a Christian because I prayed
Speaker 3: that Centner's prayer and I do what the hell I want.
Speaker 3: Don't nobody tell me nothing about Jesus.
Speaker 10: I know Jesus, my heart.
Speaker 3: Crumbompalos. What's up? It's no different than It's no different
Speaker 3: than Avery. Avery's no different then Billy Graham. The only
Speaker 3: difference is Avery's not telling emotional SAP stories like Billy
Speaker 3: Graham did. He's just debunking Muslims. Okay, but that's not
Speaker 3: what Christianity is. Christianity's not just debunking Muslims. What's up?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 3: Hey man, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 25: Been listening to your show for probably a little over a.
Speaker 3: Year now and have become a big fan.
Speaker 15: I think my first exposure to you was watching you
Speaker 15: debate Tim Gordon and the Anglican.
Speaker 3: A Mason guy on Timpole's show.
Speaker 15: But uh, I really enjoy your content.
Speaker 33: I'm an inquirer.
Speaker 15: I guess I'm kind of a I'm kind of a
Speaker 15: slow rolling choir because I'm very spurgy about Okay.
Speaker 25: I just want to anyone's word for it.
Speaker 3: I just want to find it. Okay, So what cool man?
Speaker 3: What's your question?
Speaker 15: So I I just wanted to bring up something that
Speaker 15: I'm noticing in my own circles.
Speaker 24: So I watched I watched your your.
Speaker 15: Debate with that Baptist King James Only guy and I
Speaker 15: come from a Church of Christ background, so Campbell Light
Speaker 15: Restorationist movement.
Speaker 39: I no longer believe that that position holds any weight.
Speaker 39: I've been in that movement my whole life, so for
Speaker 39: personal reasons, it's hard to become untethered.
Speaker 10: But I just wanted to.
Speaker 15: I wanted to ask you if you know any of
Speaker 15: these guys who are Orthodox converts that are putting out
Speaker 15: content from the CEOC world.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I'm seeing Okay, I appreciate that. And
Speaker 3: their answer is yeah. In fact, I think Alex Soren
Speaker 3: recently debated at Church or Christ guy one of his
Speaker 3: maybe a few weeks ago. So the answer is yes,
Speaker 3: go watch that debate with I don't remember the guy's name.
Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody in the chat will remember that guy's name.
Speaker 10: M h m hm.
Speaker 3: Ok, yeah here it is. Who is this guy? Aaron Gallagher?
Speaker 3: So Alex Soren debated Aaron Gallagher, who is a Church
Speaker 3: of Christ. I guess pastor or something. When I hear
Speaker 3: the word pastor, now I just cringe. Now it's like
Speaker 3: a media just.
Speaker 1: When I hear this past pastals am a pasta together
Speaker 1: with one thousand pastas, we met the Men in Black
Speaker 1: and the LBNP to get disclosure.
Speaker 10: Full of.
Speaker 3: Okay. I know all the Orthobos are eager to call in,
Speaker 3: and I love you guys, but we're looking for some
Speaker 3: evangelicals today. Chris eight Limbs, what's up dude? Chris eight Limbs,
Speaker 3: what's up.
Speaker 23: You? Jay?
Speaker 18: I got your book, but I sucked up and got
Speaker 18: it on Amazon, so my bad.
Speaker 3: Well you you and bezos once again teamed up against me.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's my bag.
Speaker 18: I'll get it from your website next time.
Speaker 30: You want to say good job on these last couple
Speaker 30: of weeks.
Speaker 15: You debate these two Mason guys, and then you got
Speaker 15: this Baptist pastor on the on the BRINKSI.
Speaker 3: Well that's led to the whole evangelical online world just
Speaker 3: losing their losing their minds. They're having a crash out.
Speaker 15: Now this week.
Speaker 40: It's uh, David Wood, it's awesome job.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. Guys. If you disagree,
Speaker 3: I'll go bring it to the headline. If not, we're
Speaker 3: going to go into more of the canons here. We'll
Speaker 3: notice that in Canon eighteen again we saw that the
Speaker 3: deacons are not supposed to touch the Eucharist because they
Speaker 3: don't offer the oblation. That does not sound like any
Speaker 3: Protestant church I've ever even heard of. Here's canon about
Speaker 3: kneeling on the Lord's Day? Do Protestants kneel in the
Speaker 3: churches on any day? Maybe some of the Charismatics do.
Speaker 3: But and then there's a letter anathematizing, excommunicating areas. When's
Speaker 3: the last time you heard of a Protestant church and
Speaker 3: athematizing and ex communicating anybody? How about the celebration of
Speaker 3: Easter and the Eucharist on Easter? Oh, look at that.
Speaker 3: It is not the determination of the custom of the Jews.
Speaker 3: Low quality? What's up? Low quality? What's up? Joke?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 10: A couple of things.
Speaker 27: First, One, never stop being mean.
Speaker 3: That's really important that you do. It helps people. I
Speaker 3: don't know why everybody.
Speaker 27: Thinks there's a one size fits all solution for getting
Speaker 27: the word out, but they're wrong.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 27: So appreciate a lot. Number two, have you heard of
Speaker 27: a guy named David Solomon. He's a Jewish guy, brings
Speaker 27: a lot of Jewish perspectives into things, which, you know,
Speaker 27: take it with a grainess all. It's something I noticed
Speaker 27: about one of the lectures that he's going through on
Speaker 27: the Ten Commandments right now. Kind of if that flies
Speaker 27: in the face of the idea that the Catholics are
Speaker 27: pushing out right now of everybody's secretly worshiping the One God,
Speaker 27: even Hindus, even Muslims, whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because they don't know that worship isn't mental
Speaker 3: assent to a proposition.
Speaker 27: Yes, and on a rudimentary level, if you read the
Speaker 27: First Commandment, if you get into the Hebrew of it,
Speaker 27: God never denies the existence of other things out there
Speaker 27: that are being worshiped. He doesn't say, hey, you're secretly
Speaker 27: worshiping me. The commandment is don't worship anything else that.
Speaker 25: Is out there.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting distinction that seems.
Speaker 27: To be lost on a lot of the Catholics, because look,
Speaker 27: it's not that everything is God, it's you know, otherwise,
Speaker 27: why would he bother commanding.
Speaker 25: You not to worship whatever else is out there?
Speaker 27: Yeah, that's that's all I got for you, man.
Speaker 37: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I think the entire argument, and
Speaker 3: a lot of Protestants agree with this argument, that they
Speaker 3: just assume that worshiping God is the same thing as
Speaker 3: mental notional assent to quote, there's one God that's not
Speaker 3: worship And when I brought that up, a lot of
Speaker 3: them had to kind of oh oops. Right when this
Speaker 3: whole debate was happening in the last year between when
Speaker 3: the Roman Catholics were all having meltdowns because they can't
Speaker 3: make Vatican two square with their stupid theology because it doesn't,
Speaker 3: so they had to try to work really hard to
Speaker 3: make it fit. I wish that there was an easily
Speaker 3: accessible list of the statements out of the Council of Rome.
Speaker 3: Are dually end up having to go to like these
Speaker 3: tradcat sites. I don't know what the site is, so
Speaker 3: I don't know if I trust this. This looks like
Speaker 3: some kind of goofy Protestant thing. Let's see if there's
Speaker 3: anything here. The only reason I'm going to this is
Speaker 3: I just want to show the what the canon is,
Speaker 3: and this is just getting me. Roman Calolic websites talking
Speaker 3: about the him being a saint. You know, we know that. No,
Speaker 3: I'll see. I think Catholicism dot org has a thing
Speaker 3: on that, or is it. I think it's Taylor Marshall's
Speaker 3: website that has that. Actually, I just don't feel like
Speaker 3: getting out Danzinger. I can get yah here it is.
Speaker 3: I could get you Danzinger where it has a full,
Speaker 3: full thing. But I'm just trying to find it quickly.
Speaker 3: All right. So this is the Council of Rome late
Speaker 3: three hundreds, and the Council of Rome is attempting here
Speaker 3: in the West to give a normative canon of scripture
Speaker 3: right now. The Apostolic Canons, as they are called, is
Speaker 3: the canon of scripture that's normative in the East, according
Speaker 3: to the Canons in the fourth century. So I want
Speaker 3: all you slow boys to listen very closely to what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm not saying that either of these quote
Speaker 3: infallibly establishes the canon for the whole church, because they
Speaker 3: differ in small ways. Okay, However, what we can see
Speaker 3: from Canon eighty five of the Apostolic Canons, this refutes
Speaker 3: west Huth. By the way. That's why I'm doing this,
Speaker 3: is that the normative canon in the East. According to
Speaker 3: the Eastern canon law, the Apostolic canons are the norm
Speaker 3: in the fourth century in the East. Because remember, for us,
Speaker 3: the Church is decentralized, right, So we're not going to
Speaker 3: say that just because Pope Damasis is in Rome and
Speaker 3: Augustine and he agree on the Deudero Canon, that that's
Speaker 3: necessarily the universal teaching. That's the Roman cathol reading Vatican
Speaker 3: One into the first uh several centuries. We're going to
Speaker 3: say that that was the norm for the West, and
Speaker 3: we're going to say the Council of Rome, and we're
Speaker 3: going to say that the Apostolic canons are an example
Speaker 3: of the norm for the East. So noticed, notice in
Speaker 3: Canon eighty five the canon includes Judith, the Maccabees, all
Speaker 3: three Maccabees, Syric see that Wisdom, Wisdom and Syric, the
Speaker 3: Epistles of Clement, and the Constitutions of Clement. Now, ultimately
Speaker 3: those didn't get included in the final normative canon by
Speaker 3: the time of Trollo and the sixth and seventh Council.
Speaker 3: But I don't have to prove that. All I'm showing
Speaker 3: you is that for the normative canonical Bible of the
Speaker 3: fourth century. In the East, it includes the Deudo canon.
Speaker 3: Now let's look at the normative canon in the West
Speaker 3: at the same time, because remember we believe the Church
Speaker 3: is decentralized. So the Apostolic canon show us the mindset
Speaker 3: in general of the East, and we're gonna look at
Speaker 3: the mindset in general under the Latin patriarchy or the West. Likewise,
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church accepts these Old Testament books, the Book
Speaker 3: of Wisdom, the Book of Syric and then it lists
Speaker 3: all the ones that are not controversial, and then Judith
Speaker 3: and two Maccabees. So the only difference there is that
Speaker 3: Rome doesn't immediately accept third Maccabees and the Eastern Church
Speaker 3: considers it as part of the canon. And then we
Speaker 3: read that the New Testament. Do they see if they Yeah,
Speaker 3: they include the Apocalypse. By the way, they only they
Speaker 3: include the Apocalypse here because of Athanasius arguing it as
Speaker 3: well as the Catholic epistles. So between the East and
Speaker 3: the West in the fourth century, what was Snodaly canonically
Speaker 3: normative for the Biblical canon. I know we have some
Speaker 3: slow boys that when I explained this, they don't understand
Speaker 3: the difference between canon law and the Bible canon. They
Speaker 3: get confused two different things. And what we saw a
Speaker 3: minute ago was canon law even preceded the Bible as
Speaker 3: normative because there was not a fixed universal canon at
Speaker 3: the time of Nicea, and Nicia already said be sure
Speaker 3: and follow the previously existing canonical law. So Canon eighty
Speaker 3: five includes the Deudro canon for the East. The Council
Speaker 3: of Rome in three what was it, eighty whatever? Three
Speaker 3: eighty two damasist Augustine includes the Duo canon. There you
Speaker 3: go now again, but you but dea canon.
Speaker 10: Again.
Speaker 3: I am not saying that the canon was settled at
Speaker 3: this time. I'm saying the normative canon for East and
Speaker 3: West included the Duro canon almost entirely. The only outlier
Speaker 3: here is Saint Jerome, who submitted to Rome and included
Speaker 3: it in the Bulgate because he submitted to his patriarchate.
Speaker 3: The Council of Rome out ranks Jerome in Orthodox and
Speaker 3: Catholic ecclesiology. So on what basis are we supposed to
Speaker 3: follow Jerome's thought? If you're a Protestant, it's purely arbitrary,
Speaker 3: because they don't believe anything else Jerome said. In fact,
Speaker 3: according to them, if they're consistent. Jerome is a heretic
Speaker 3: because he doesn't teach the Bible and the Solas. And
Speaker 3: if you don't teach the Bible and the Solas, according
Speaker 3: to the Classical Reformation teachers, you're teaching a false gospel.
Speaker 3: Hate man. You're going to go to hate a late man,
Speaker 3: as that Baptist dude says. So again, ironically, the IFB
Speaker 3: cult is actually more consistent on this point than God Logic,
Speaker 3: than David Wood, than Wes Huff, James White, Gavin Ortland,
Speaker 3: Redeem Zoomer, because they're at least honest enough to look
Speaker 3: at this and say that there's a pastasis, friend, that
Speaker 3: there's apastasy, because this is all Catholic stuff. I saw
Speaker 3: that Catholic stuff. That's a church Antichrist candid chargeable out
Speaker 3: an a crack. I've been dealing with trailer blood. I
Speaker 3: have the people since I was eighteen, so I'm very
Speaker 3: familiar with this stuff, right. I just happened to forget
Speaker 3: that Steven Anderson's cult believes that that they're sunny Baptist.
Speaker 3: I forgot that they were soony Baptists. I remembered it
Speaker 3: in the midst of the debate that I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I forget he believes this. He thinks the Bible is
Speaker 3: an eternal book, which, by the way, he then says
Speaker 3: that the Bible could be wrong and Paul had errors
Speaker 3: in his teaching. So it's like, so the canon could
Speaker 3: be wrong, but also the KJV is an uncreated, eternally
Speaker 3: generated Bible from God book for the uncreated book. Again,
Speaker 3: sunny Baptist, this is silly. This is so we see
Speaker 3: that the two canons here, not canon law, but the
Speaker 3: list of the canons. By the way, notice that in
Speaker 3: canon eighty five, canon law is beginning to determine the
Speaker 3: Bible canon.
Speaker 10: Oh oh, oh oh.
Speaker 3: And guess what, Protestants when you go to seminary, if
Speaker 3: you do, and if you actually ever read any of
Speaker 3: your Protestant scholars, they're gonna start talking about this stuff,
Speaker 3: the stuff that Wes Huff won't talk about. They're gonna
Speaker 3: start talking about the Apostolic canons in the Council of
Speaker 3: Rome and the canonical debates about the canon of scripture.
Speaker 3: No Protestant pastor or Bible teacher. I want the different
Speaker 3: Bible colleges about that. They never told me this. I
Speaker 3: had to go dig this up on my own before everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm not joking about Sunny Baptists. I mean the Muslims
Speaker 3: believe in an uncreated foot, an uncreated book. There's an eternal,
Speaker 3: uncreated Kuran. So they literally have the sunny position. It's
Speaker 3: just the KJV Nathan, what's up, hayen Man, hayen Man,
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 5: Man's so?
Speaker 7: Jay the divine voices telling me to ask you questions.
Speaker 3: I believe it.
Speaker 33: Yeah, so okay.
Speaker 3: My first question is.
Speaker 29: So Roman Catholics they have the like doctrine of like
Speaker 29: what is it called, like where their theology can change.
Speaker 3: Some of them believe in the development of doctrine.
Speaker 37: Yes, yeah, so isn't like economia almost like similar to that.
Speaker 3: But just from my perspective, no, economia is the application
Speaker 3: of canon law. It's not the dogmas of the church.
Speaker 3: So for example, we're not going to argue that the
Speaker 3: Bishop of Rome had a certain function in the first
Speaker 3: thousand years, but in the second millennium of Christianity he
Speaker 3: evolved into being an autocrat. That has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with the interpretation application of the canons. That's a dogmatic change, okay,
Speaker 3: But like what.
Speaker 41: About like the Eucharist, how it was in the dedicated
Speaker 41: it was like I'm both eating and drinking separately, but
Speaker 41: now it's like together and illegal.
Speaker 3: Well, the dedicay is not it has things that we
Speaker 3: don't adhere to. There's heterodox ideas in the Dedicay. The
Speaker 3: didici is just an attestation to the practices of the
Speaker 3: early Church. It's very valuable, but it's not like part
Speaker 3: of the scriptures or part of the canon. It's not
Speaker 3: canon law. It's just an early witness. I mean, you
Speaker 3: can say the same thing about Tertillian. Tertullian is a heretic,
Speaker 3: but his works are very valuable because we can see,
Speaker 3: for example, when he would before he was a heretic,
Speaker 3: he was defending the Trinity, and he wrote treatises about
Speaker 3: the Trinity in the second century. So that refutes, for example,
Speaker 3: Jake the Muslim metaphysician, or people to say that the
Speaker 3: Trinity was created a Iceea or all this nonsense. So again,
Speaker 3: those people are useful. The decay is useful. They're not
Speaker 3: canon law. They're not Again, everybody's got to get out
Speaker 3: of the mindset of the Protestant idea that picking and
Speaker 3: choosing this dude is somehow a better, higher tier over
Speaker 3: a synod, the mind of the many, even as we
Speaker 3: saw in the Canons of Nicea, trumps the mind of one.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean in every case. Obviously, sometimes the
Speaker 3: majority can be wrong, but typically usually when it comes
Speaker 3: to senidality, the principle that the majority are correct holds.
Speaker 3: Not always, it's not infallible. Sometimes you can have a
Speaker 3: false sonod that you know, persecutes Saint John Christistom or whatever.
Speaker 3: But normally speaking, and for example the Orthodox Church, the
Speaker 3: best shops have regular sonodal meetings to govern the church,
Speaker 3: and normally speaking, they're going to accurately assess the problems
Speaker 3: in a council and in a synod, much better than
Speaker 3: worthy to just do it individually on their own right.
Speaker 3: And that's the model of Acts fifteen. All of this
Speaker 3: stuff is just the model of Acts fifteen. Do you guys,
Speaker 3: I mean, all you Protestant Bible worshipers, I mean, do
Speaker 3: not worship Acts fifteen, where it says the council decided something,
Speaker 3: and they sent out the decision of the council to
Speaker 3: all the churches, and that's all this is. It's like
Speaker 3: no different And if the same Holy spirit's guiding the
Speaker 3: Jerusalem Council of Acts fifteen, same Holy Spirits Guiding Council
Speaker 3: and Nicia with Athenaeus. Ath Nations argues that he says
Speaker 3: the Holy Ghost spoke at Nicia. So look at Canon five.
Speaker 3: This is interesting because we're going to go over here
Speaker 3: to the Second Ecumenical Council. So this is gonna trump
Speaker 3: even our local synods that we looked at a minute ago,
Speaker 3: Gangra and Laodicea, because this is the Second Ecumenical Council
Speaker 3: that they perceive to not need even Rome's approval to
Speaker 3: do right, And it's kind of iffy, okay, yeah, but
Speaker 3: was it Celestine right kind of agrees and then we
Speaker 3: don't know, and it's iffy, and then eventually they absolutely
Speaker 3: affirm it a couple of centuries after. So this is
Speaker 3: three eighty one, and this is the theology dominated by
Speaker 3: the Cappadocians. They dominate the theology of the council that
Speaker 3: condemns the Apollinarians. And what does it do, most famously,
Speaker 3: it literally defines the official trinitarian dogma for the Universal
Speaker 3: Orthodox Catholic Church. That's why I consted out that one
Speaker 3: is so important, and it was held and presided over
Speaker 3: by Saint Melidios out of communion with Rome. Rome then
Speaker 3: retroactively says, oh, yes, we do agree with that it okay,
Speaker 3: find it secumentical. Oh well, then thank you for proving
Speaker 3: that the Holy Ghost can speak dogma outside of commune
Speaker 3: with Rome, undermining Vatican one. And also thank you for
Speaker 3: proving that there's saints outside of Roman commune, which you
Speaker 3: later admit of Vatican two but deny in uh, I'm
Speaker 3: sunk them and can tut the Domino. So we see,
Speaker 3: for example, at concept on one in the Canons three
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen, fathers assembled and they anathematized the Eunomians,
Speaker 3: the the Motamaki, the Marcellians, semi Arians, and the Pollinarians. Okay,
Speaker 3: and then we see another canon limiting how far bishops
Speaker 3: are supposed to go and not go into other bishops jurisdictions.
Speaker 3: No exemptions for the bishop Rome. By the way, again
Speaker 3: this they don't even they're not even worried about whether
Speaker 3: Rome accepted or not. They're already doing the Council without Rome.
Speaker 3: Now they would like to get Rooms acceptance, sure, but
Speaker 3: they're doing it and they don't care if for Rome
Speaker 3: acceptance or not. And Rome was iffy, and it was
Speaker 3: it took a long time for Rome to accept this.
Speaker 3: So Canon four is important because it says, in regard
Speaker 3: to the tone of the Western bishops, we receive those
Speaker 3: in Antioch who confess the Godhead, of Father, Son and
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit. So this is an earlier canon presumably relating
Speaker 3: to that's not the canon. Looking for hold on which
Speaker 3: one is?
Speaker 23: It?
Speaker 33: Is?
Speaker 19: This?
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. Where's Canon three though, the one
Speaker 3: about Rome New Rome? Anyway, Let's go to canon five
Speaker 3: because Canon five says for those that were turned from
Speaker 3: heresy to orthodoxy, those amongst the Arians, the Macedonians, the
Speaker 3: Subatanians and Ovations, the cathari the Aristori, the quarter of
Speaker 3: the Simians, the Tetritites, the Apollinarians, we received them upon
Speaker 3: written renunciation of their nathol and an appetizing of their
Speaker 3: previous heresies to the Holy Catholic Avasoli Church of God.
Speaker 3: Does that sound ecumenist to you, anybody? Where is the
Speaker 3: acumenism in that? And by the way, I think this
Speaker 3: New Advent this has a different numbering than what's in
Speaker 3: the chaft set, because in the chaft set this is
Speaker 3: Canon's seven and I'm looking for the canon. But this
Speaker 3: is the no salvation outside the church canon, right, So
Speaker 3: notice this It says thereupon, when they are brought into
Speaker 3: the church, they are given chrismation, the seal, the seal, seal, seal, Right,
Speaker 3: it says, you know, means who have a heterodox, weird,
Speaker 3: crazy baptism Montanous, their baptisms don't even count. They need
Speaker 3: to be baptized. These other groups. It's sufficient to chrismate Eunomians.
Speaker 3: They're not even their anti Trinitarian they can't be just
Speaker 3: chrismated because they never even got baptisms. And as it says,
Speaker 3: all of these sects, because their heresy is so extreme,
Speaker 3: they are to be received as heathens when they become Orthodox.
Speaker 3: So we make them Christians, then we make them catechumens,
Speaker 3: and then we do the exorcism prayers, and then we
Speaker 3: instruct them and catechize them and then baptize them. See
Speaker 3: that does that sound like redeemed Zoomers magisterial Protestant Church.
Speaker 3: Does that sound like any of these people's made up
Speaker 3: Protestant church? Do you? And it's supposed to be Canon three.
Speaker 3: I wonder if New Advent are they being shifty. Here
Speaker 3: look at canon three at New Advent. It doesn't have
Speaker 3: the New Rome canon. Of course they're numbered differently. So
Speaker 3: let's see. This is why it's hard to find that
Speaker 3: New Rome canon because it's numbered differently, and it might
Speaker 3: not even be included here at the New Advent list,
Speaker 3: because the Eastern canon list has the famous canon which
Speaker 3: is the basis for Canon twenty eight of Calcledon, that
Speaker 3: the Bishop of Constantinople is second after Rome. Here we go, yeah,
Speaker 3: so here's the Eastern list, and that's funny that New Advent.
Speaker 3: Why does New Advent not have that on there anymore?
Speaker 3: I know I've read it on New Event before and
Speaker 3: I've screenshoted it. That's I wonder if they altered that.
Speaker 3: So look at the This is just probably the Roman list,
Speaker 3: so they probably just deleted it. Here's the canons of
Speaker 3: constantin Noble one and this is the chaft set list
Speaker 3: right here, look at Canon three the Bishop of Constantinople.
Speaker 3: So how the prerogative after the Bishop of Rome because
Speaker 3: Constantinople's New Rome. Right, this becomes the controversial canon, the
Speaker 3: basis for the Canon twenty eight of Calcilton. Right where
Speaker 3: Leo says, I reject Canon twenty eight, and then Roman
Speaker 3: calocs always are dishonest. They never tell you why they
Speaker 3: act like, oh, because of papal premacy, even though Leo
Speaker 3: says no, it's because it violates the order of Canon
Speaker 3: six of NICEA one, right, because it's Rome, Alexandria, Antioch.
Speaker 3: And for Leo's argument was that if you make Constantinople
Speaker 3: second after Rome, it's not fair to alexandre and Antioch.
Speaker 3: Nothing to do with Vatican one people's supremacy. So they
Speaker 3: just lie about what it was actually about. But notice
Speaker 3: that the New Advent, the Roman Catholic website doesn't even
Speaker 3: have Canon three even listed anymore, but the shaft set,
Speaker 3: which is based on presumably the Eastern listing of the canons,
Speaker 3: puts Constantinople as number two, not just at Calcedon, but
Speaker 3: at Constantinople one. That's the reason why at Calcadon they
Speaker 3: just inserted it because they were like what was already
Speaker 3: out of the previous ecumenical Council, which Rome had not
Speaker 3: officially really totally accepted yet. Right, So there you go.
Speaker 3: But again to back to the point of the final
Speaker 3: Canon of constant and Umble one, does that sound at
Speaker 3: all like anything Protestant will what's up man? Hey James, Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 3: thanks for having me on.
Speaker 39: I wanted to tell you a quick little thing I
Speaker 39: think you to you'd.
Speaker 3: Be proud of me.
Speaker 27: I was actually having a debate with my.
Speaker 3: Evangelical coworker.
Speaker 15: And he was telling me that I'm a Catholic for reference,
Speaker 15: he was telling me that, you know, praying to Mary
Speaker 15: and the.
Speaker 19: Saints is not biblical.
Speaker 27: And instead of spending you know, like fourteen.
Speaker 38: Hours trying to explain to them that it was, I
Speaker 38: used a kind of transcendental argument and I was like, well,
Speaker 38: if you're using the Bible as your authority, then.
Speaker 23: You would need to give me a justification for why
Speaker 23: that's the case, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he just he couldn't give me an answer. Wow. Hey,
Speaker 3: that's good. But I mean, you know, transient arguments don't
Speaker 3: really work in the context of Roman Catholic you know,
Speaker 3: classical foundational pistemology, so I would say you need to
Speaker 3: become orthodox, Alex. What's up? One thing I want to
Speaker 3: say too about people making a big stink about this,
Speaker 3: how come you didn't call God logic in these people
Speaker 3: out till now you were distreamed with it before because
Speaker 3: they did an attack Orthodoxy till now, duh, what do
Speaker 3: you think? What's that? Man?
Speaker 6: Alex?
Speaker 3: You what I mean?
Speaker 25: Hey?
Speaker 3: Sorry, my bad? How's it going good? What's talking about?
Speaker 29: Hey?
Speaker 3: I just want to say, I.
Speaker 31: Guess you were a big reason why I started attending liturgy,
Speaker 31: has been going for about six months now, about to
Speaker 31: become a catechuman cool.
Speaker 3: I was actually one of my buddies.
Speaker 31: He's, you know, think about becoming Catholic, and I was
Speaker 31: kind of talking about and you know, kind of the
Speaker 31: craziness that's under the hood. Most people don't even realize
Speaker 31: that that our Catholic, you know, some of the stuff
Speaker 31: you pointed out with the histrionic female saints and such.
Speaker 31: And it really came down to, like, I don't I
Speaker 31: genuinely don't understand the appeal of Roman Catholicism unless you
Speaker 31: want the social community or you want a lart as
Speaker 31: a crusader, which is no longer the case.
Speaker 3: I think when you break it down, it's I don't know.
Speaker 31: I just can't understand the appeal behind it at all
Speaker 31: once you actually look.
Speaker 3: Under the hood. Well, the appeal is the way that
Speaker 3: the pop apologists sell it. And I know because I
Speaker 3: fell for the same sales pitch when I was twenty
Speaker 3: one and became a Roman Catholic. Right, I think, oh,
Speaker 3: the Pope solves these issues. We don't have division anymore
Speaker 3: because he solves the issues, and now we have certitude
Speaker 3: for the dogmas, and on and on on, and then
Speaker 3: when you actually go into the world Catholicism and you
Speaker 3: see it because you think that it's going to be
Speaker 3: this church that you've read about in the Church Fathers, right,
Speaker 3: this glorious grand church, militant like the Middle Ages, And
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like Thomas Aquinas and I was sitting
Speaker 3: in a scripture scriptorium and just write with a quill
Speaker 3: pen and create theology treatise. And it's not like that
Speaker 3: at all. That's not the reality. What's up to a boy, Cleve?
Speaker 3: What's up? I'm about to play some of you tonight,
Speaker 3: Cleve talking to me as we cover Cleve, what's up?
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Jake?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on you, sir.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I wanted to I wanted to chime in
Speaker 8: on something that I realized a lot of these guys
Speaker 8: that have these massive platforms that are basically just a
Speaker 8: humanist Christianity. It's nondescript, uh, non denominational, whatever the case
Speaker 8: may be. They're just appealing to the most broad audience
Speaker 8: they can. These guys are really getting nervous about the
Speaker 8: growth of Orthodoxy, so it seems like their strategy is
Speaker 8: just too well one.
Speaker 23: They want to the debates.
Speaker 8: So what they do is when they critique Orthodoxity, they
Speaker 8: do it under this dog whistle of orso Broism. So
Speaker 8: they want to sew division among star ranks, yes, but
Speaker 8: they also want to critique Christ's Church in a way
Speaker 8: that doesn't cause.
Speaker 3: Them to lose their following.
Speaker 8: So it's just this kind of shady, subversive way for
Speaker 8: them to attack the Church and not have to engage
Speaker 8: in debates. And then what they'll simultaneously do is they'll
Speaker 8: take their massive platforms and they.
Speaker 5: Will promote these other more rabid, more.
Speaker 8: Radical anti orthodox guys like JP. That way, they don't
Speaker 8: have to do any debate. They can just deflect it
Speaker 8: all to them.
Speaker 3: That's very perceptive. Look, that's very perceptive. That's very perceptive
Speaker 3: about the cunning strategy that they're employing. I didn't even
Speaker 3: notice that, but that's actually a good point rather than
Speaker 3: saying that they just disagree with Orthodox Christianity. It's oh,
Speaker 3: it's the Orthobros that I hate, right, And Sam Schimund
Speaker 3: did the exact same thing too, by the way, he said,
Speaker 3: you know, I hope that the wortho Bros die. When
Speaker 3: he pray that the Orthoboros would die, and people were
Speaker 3: defending it, they were like, who's no talking about Orthodox,
Speaker 3: He's just about Orthobros. It's like, so they're well, they're Orthodox,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about?
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, and what do they mean when they talk
Speaker 8: about Orthodox, they're talking about anybody who is not an acumenist,
Speaker 8: So anybody who holds to Orthodox.
Speaker 3: Teaching, basically absolutely. I do want to play some of cleave,
Speaker 3: as we have cleave here. Uh, but I do Before
Speaker 3: we do that, I want to see if anyone disagrees,
Speaker 3: because we've had a lot of questioners and comments, which
Speaker 3: is fine, but we've got a full house. We've got
Speaker 3: ten people in the line here. I want you to
Speaker 3: do me an emoji. If you disagree, you go to
Speaker 3: the headline. Any disagreeers, any Protestant Evangelical people that don't
Speaker 3: like icons, they don't like mysteries, the yucher is whatever,
Speaker 3: do an emoji and I will bring you up. None
Speaker 3: of y'all are you serious? Out of all ten of y'all,
Speaker 3: nobody disagrees. Come on now, how can we have no
Speaker 3: evangelicals for two days straight calling in? Except for that one? Noah, dude,
Speaker 3: he was only one nobody. I guess I'm just cooked
Speaker 3: when it comes to debate, nobody else will debate. Okay,
Speaker 3: here we go, Devin, Devin, what's up?
Speaker 10: Dude? Can hear?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So this might be slightly decentives.
Speaker 25: I agree with you with almost everything, and I'm not.
Speaker 18: I'm not quite Protestant any lawmore, but I'm not I'm
Speaker 18: not Orthodox anymore yet either. But a huge issue I'm
Speaker 18: having is, and I guess, like I said, this might
Speaker 18: be deceptive, it's something that I don't disagree, is that
Speaker 18: I have a serious struggle with looking at seeing Mary
Speaker 18: as a provincial virgin.
Speaker 5: And then she was sick.
Speaker 18: And like I said, this could just purely be from
Speaker 18: the standpoint that I grew up in a Protestant church
Speaker 18: and that's all I've been taught. But that's something I,
Speaker 18: like I said, I am extremely struggling with that idea.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I would say, read Jerome's Little Treatise about
Speaker 3: the Perpetual Virginity. It's a classic, it's still good. And
Speaker 3: then watch the video that I did called a Veneration
Speaker 3: of Saint Mary, which is like a forty minute just
Speaker 3: arguing from the Bible about Mary. Those are classic, they're patristic, PTSD.
Speaker 3: What's up, dog? I mean, I remember when I was
Speaker 3: struggling with that too. When I was Protestant, I was
Speaker 3: getting into Roman Catholic theology and once I read as
Speaker 3: soon as I read Jerome Street this, I was like, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: and then the typology I think is a good argument too.
Speaker 3: Patristic PTSD. What's up?
Speaker 32: Hey, guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 6: Longtime listener, you know, and for WARS.
Speaker 32: I think I recognize you from that, you know, yeah,
Speaker 32: a lot where I knew you did like apologetics and stuff.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I myself, I came from like a like
Speaker 11: my stepdad was like a.
Speaker 32: Pentecostal preacher, but the rest of my family was like,
Speaker 32: you know, Baptists, non denn National type, you know.
Speaker 3: So I come from that, you know, reformer background, and.
Speaker 32: It wasn't until like I started getting into apologetics, like online.
Speaker 32: I ran into some Orthodox people and you know, it's
Speaker 32: like they had me acquiring and questioning, you know a
Speaker 32: lot of things that I never.
Speaker 36: Really thought to ask myself, you know when it.
Speaker 32: Comes to like traditions and just the historicity of the Church,
Speaker 32: the theology and things like that.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's no wonder like when we have such.
Speaker 32: Good apologetics or orthodoxy, you know that's what they say,
Speaker 32: author bros. But it's just Orthodox Christians online, you know
Speaker 32: what I mean. Like there's a lot of fake accounts
Speaker 32: and things like that. Sure, but you know, for the
Speaker 32: most part, we have really good apologetics. Like I have
Speaker 32: a group of Orthodox buddies on here. We have a
Speaker 32: channel called the Great Schizmandics of the twenty first Century.
Speaker 32: You know, we just talk with anybody on there. So,
Speaker 32: you know, and it comes to the question, there's a
Speaker 32: lot of people, like in the Baptist sphere, you know,
Speaker 32: not wanting to have these debates because you know, they
Speaker 32: don't really have a grounding for, you know, a basis
Speaker 32: for all the things that they're arguing. You know, it's
Speaker 32: just comes back to their own traditions or their own preferences.
Speaker 33: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the world peace right, Well, That's why I think,
Speaker 3: you know, seems like it would be incumbent upon the
Speaker 3: representatives from that group, like Gavin Ortland, to do some
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Speaker 3: a really solid thirty minute case for bitcoin and then
Speaker 3: addressing all of the usual fud. Right, I mean, bitcoin
Speaker 3: apologetics is like the same as orthodox apologetics. I don't
Speaker 3: mean literally in terms of what's important, but I mean
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Speaker 33: Hey?
Speaker 26: Just a quick point.
Speaker 40: Cleeve was streaming about a Catholic church that combined blessing
Speaker 40: of the animals with a Mass in Germany and some
Speaker 40: of the people gave the communion to their dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that goes to it goes to the.
Speaker 42: Previous callers question about changes in the Eucharist. It's like,
Speaker 42: it seems like the Orthodox Church responds pretty well and
Speaker 42: pretty flexibly to abuses when necessary. And I appreciate that, like,
Speaker 42: you know, as something that that changed the way the
Speaker 42: Uchrist was delivered. It's like you can tell why when
Speaker 42: you start to hear the horror.
Speaker 3: Stories of yeah, I mean, I mean, they've even done
Speaker 3: countless poles. I remember reading all those polls when I
Speaker 3: was a Roman Calitie tridecat that believe in the real
Speaker 3: presence amongst normative Roman Catholics was like down to like
Speaker 3: thirty percent at some point. I don't know what it
Speaker 3: is now, but I still have all my trade Cat
Speaker 3: book It's the entire shelf top two shelves or all
Speaker 3: the trade Cat books. So I have like Attilogamares, Michael Davies,
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. I've read all those books and
Speaker 3: all of a sudd of a const books too, and
Speaker 3: like all of them lament the fact that, hey, how
Speaker 3: come after Vatican two believe in the real presence went
Speaker 3: from like ninety percent to twenty percent. It's like it's
Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact numbers. It is something crazy
Speaker 3: like that. Wing depending what's up. Yeah, it's because when
Speaker 3: you revolutionize the church, as Vatican two did by protestantizing
Speaker 3: the liturgy, obviously people have them the same willy nilly
Speaker 3: disrespectful attitude. They lose the reverence because they don't believe
Speaker 3: in in the I mean, if the entire service is
Speaker 3: not reverent, why would you believe in the real presence.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of obvious. Coach, what's up? And yes,
Speaker 3: I did offer because I know they're not going to act.
Speaker 3: I can just basically freely offer everyone in the world
Speaker 3: a formal debate now knowing that I have nothing to
Speaker 3: worry about, nothing to prepare for, because no one will
Speaker 3: do it. So it does mean no damage or disservice
Speaker 3: or like, I don't get nervous because I can just say,
Speaker 3: here's an offer for public formal debate with west Haf,
Speaker 3: David Wood, God Logic, Gavin orland Ip Frank Trick, Mike
Speaker 3: Winger And people said, how come you didn't tag Mike
Speaker 3: ware because he he blocked me a long time ago,
Speaker 3: so no point. You can't tag doole. I don't think
Speaker 3: if they blocked your coach Pill, what's up? Well, what's okay?
Speaker 3: I donated to David Wood when.
Speaker 30: He was in fear about the Muslims and all this stuff,
Speaker 30: and I came on here since they're too cowardly to
Speaker 30: argue against our position. By the way, I'm Orthodox, but
Speaker 30: I have a few arguments to completely destroy boy your positions.
Speaker 30: I think JUSI an Astor should be the only books
Speaker 30: in the Bible because it feels like it. I'm also
Speaker 30: very soft on the inside, and I have a lispa
Speaker 30: that means that my heart's been changed.
Speaker 3: That means your heart's in the right place, right, finally right.
Speaker 30: Also in Thessala, and iike it's really like archaeology. We
Speaker 30: actually found bass drums and like bass guitars and like
Speaker 30: all kinds of stuff that we dug up over there.
Speaker 3: So like that's how I know it's Protestant.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 3: You just hearded, guys, You finally heard dire get crushed
Speaker 3: in a debate. Coach christ Pill crushed him. Did you
Speaker 3: guys see it? It was epic? By the way, do
Speaker 3: you guys catch when the Baptist guy thought that Orthodoxy
Speaker 3: used the wafers. He's like, oh no, what about your wafers.
Speaker 3: We don't use wafers, dude, Leon, what's up, Jay? What's
Speaker 3: the big dogs? Hey? What's in your mind?
Speaker 9: So, my wife and I recently moved to a new
Speaker 9: house and we moved near a Catholic church. One thing
Speaker 9: I've noticed is Catholics, like I love putting statues outside,
Speaker 9: and we're new to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 27: I haven't noticed many statues and Orthodoxy, if there's any
Speaker 27: at all.
Speaker 3: I was wondering what the.
Speaker 29: Reason is, whether there's so many Catholics and they why
Speaker 29: they love statues.
Speaker 3: And pagan No, Well, I just think that over time,
Speaker 3: because because Rome never accepted the theology of the Seventh
Speaker 3: Documentical Council, basically they just accepted verbal with verbal credence, Yes,
Speaker 3: we affirm that you can have images, and so that
Speaker 3: kind of let them run crazy with what is and
Speaker 3: isn't appropriate. But the Seven Documentical Council actually has a
Speaker 3: pretty fleshed out theology of what's appropriate in the liturgy, right,
Speaker 3: and since Rome didn't accept really the theology, that's kind
Speaker 3: of nominally of acceptance to the icon Council, quote unquote,
Speaker 3: and of course they don't have any idea about what
Speaker 3: the Council of eight forty three is, which is the
Speaker 3: reaffirmation of the victory triumph Orthodoxy over the iconic class,
Speaker 3: which by the way, has even more clearer theology about iconography.
Speaker 3: They don't have that council, they don't accept it. So
Speaker 3: although ironically, Uniates do celebrate the triumph Orthodoxy again another
Speaker 3: bunch of nons stuff that makes no sense in the
Speaker 3: Roman Catholic world because it's about the papacy, it's not
Speaker 3: about the right theology. So I made a video that
Speaker 3: would be very applicable to what you're talking about and
Speaker 3: would help. It's called how icons refute Roman Catholicism? Yes,
Speaker 3: you heard me right, How could icons refute Rome? Well, precisely,
Speaker 3: because Rome doesn't adhere to the actual theology of the
Speaker 3: seventh the Chemical Council. It becomes a situation where you're correct,
Speaker 3: you can kind of go crazy with it, and you
Speaker 3: can paint giant, giant bodies with tiny peeps all over
Speaker 3: the churches, which makes absolutely no sense to anybody Orthodox.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I've been to Rome, I've been to
Speaker 3: the Vatican and I've seen. And you go to Rome,
Speaker 3: there's basically a Catholic church every twenty feet, right, So
Speaker 3: you can never even see all of the Catholic papal
Speaker 3: churches in Rome, but you don't have to go far
Speaker 3: to see a thousand fat boobies, booties and peeps in
Speaker 3: your face everywhere. Now, why is that no Orthodox church
Speaker 3: has giant, chunky chicks and dudes with serpents biting their
Speaker 3: wee weis and build fat boobies bouncing everywhere in the church.
Speaker 3: And that's because they don't believe in the theology of
Speaker 3: the seven that critical council. I remember when I brought
Speaker 3: this argument a long time ago, and a classical theists
Speaker 3: he went crazy over this. This is like probably twenty
Speaker 3: eighteen or nineteen when I was starting to make this argument.
Speaker 3: And another book actually that's pretty good just on this
Speaker 3: topic is Michael Hoffman's book, A Cult Renaissance Church of Rome.
Speaker 3: Because Hoffmann goes a Latin Mass, at least the last
Speaker 3: I heard. I don't know if he still does or not,
Speaker 3: but he actually figured out, even though he's not Orthodox,
Speaker 3: all of the stuff that we criticize about the second
Speaker 3: millennium of the papacy, like the Renaissance papacy, Borgia Medici,
Speaker 3: all that stuff, Like he noticed all that. He's like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, the humanism actually begins with the perennialism
Speaker 3: of the Renaissance theologians, Picodella, Mirandola, all those characters. That's
Speaker 3: where a humanism actually begins to seep into Rome. And
Speaker 3: you can see it in the esthetics. It's not the
Speaker 3: only argument he makes. It's like an eight hundred page
Speaker 3: but but this is one of the argument that he makes.
Speaker 3: He says that you can see in the aesthetics of
Speaker 3: the papal apartments they have giant reliefs and paintings. To
Speaker 3: is it literally to isis. Now, we're not prudes. So
Speaker 3: I don't really care outside of the context of the
Speaker 3: church if somebody has because I mean, I'm not tempted
Speaker 3: to lust with some big old fat check out of
Speaker 3: the Renaissance on a wall when I'm going to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make me lust. But so I don't think
Speaker 3: it's outside of the church. I don't think there's a
Speaker 3: huge deal. And if an Orthodox person had a statue
Speaker 3: of you know, they used to have statues of the Emperor,
Speaker 3: so they would have a statue of Emperor Constantine or Theodosia.
Speaker 3: I don't think that there's nothing wrong with that. And no,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, oh, therefore I love the statue of Trump.
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying. So it's not statuary that's
Speaker 3: the problem. It's whether that's appropriate within the context of
Speaker 3: the liturgy and whether or not within the church, within
Speaker 3: the context of the actual you know, alter area and
Speaker 3: all that. Does it make sense to have giant fat
Speaker 3: chicks with their ass hanging out? No, it doesn't, And
Speaker 3: that to me is like another kind of Hello. Rome
Speaker 3: doesn't actually follow the echemical councils. This is so obvious.
Speaker 3: If you read the Seventh Council and the eight forty
Speaker 3: three Triumph of Orthodoxy Council, you're like, oh, that Roma
Speaker 3: doesn't believe any of this. So their belief, their belief
Speaker 3: is not iconography. It's just religious art. There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: And they kind of see it all as quote sacred
Speaker 3: art or religious art. That's not what icons are. They
Speaker 3: are means of of grace. They're sacramental. They're not just
Speaker 3: religious art anymore than the Bible is like a mere
Speaker 3: religious book. No, it's the book, right, and the icons
Speaker 3: are not just religious art, they're windows into heaven. Anyway, Nicholas,
Speaker 3: what's up.
Speaker 42: Many community?
Speaker 41: Okay, So I became a kind of Cuman I think
Speaker 41: separate of this year and they've been in the church
Speaker 41: for I think about six months, and I thought, I mean,
Speaker 41: I thank you for you know, helping me come.
Speaker 36: To Orthodoxy because I was like lost before.
Speaker 41: And you know, I thank you very much for like
Speaker 41: having all these arguments against like all this bs, you know,
Speaker 41: the Protestants and Policism, because those raids Roman Catholic all
Speaker 41: my life. And it's really cool to even go because
Speaker 41: I'm going to an ociate church. But it's really cool
Speaker 41: that my priest he recommends you as a good person
Speaker 41: to watch the theology. And I don't want to say
Speaker 41: like thank you and everything for you know, helping me
Speaker 41: find truth.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Is that all that's on your mind
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 41: Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Let's see if we can find this Dusey here.
Speaker 3: This is a great one. This is Ephesus epistol of
Speaker 3: Cyril Twnastorius with the anathemos. 't see if you can
Speaker 3: find the whole letter, because you're gonna find out that
Speaker 3: no Protestants actually at all believe the Council of Ephesis.
Speaker 3: This is one of my favorites. By the way, this
Speaker 3: actually back in the twenty tens. This actually converted a
Speaker 3: lot of Calvinists, even before I was converted to Orthodoxy,
Speaker 3: because I almost began Orthodoxy on seven. But in the
Speaker 3: twenty tens we would have this argument, and this alone