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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, it's a coin from your birth year that

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<v Speaker 1>you keep in your nightstand for sentimental reasons and because

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<v Speaker 1>you feel oddly emotionally attached to it. Ali ward your

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<v Speaker 1>Internet dad back with another episode of the podcast audio Programologies,

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<v Speaker 1>in which we explore a neurology every episode. Hop into

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<v Speaker 1>my fated Nissan and let me take you to an

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<v Speaker 1>island to talk about rotting meat, breath and big butts.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, some thanks to everyone who's a patron and

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<v Speaker 1>gives a dollar a month or more to submit questions

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<v Speaker 1>and see by the scenes photos and live streams. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's all on patreon dot com slash Ologies. Also thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone out there subscribing and rating and of course

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<v Speaker 1>submitting reviews for the show, which keeps it currently number

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<v Speaker 1>three in the Science charts. This is all stupid show,

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<v Speaker 1>can you believe it? I read all your reviews. I

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<v Speaker 1>pick a just birthed one to read each week, such as,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, one left I don't feel like dancing? Who

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<v Speaker 1>says this podcast reminds me to take a moment to

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate something. I've struggled with anxiety and depression for years

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it gets better of me. But every week

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<v Speaker 1>I get to hear about something new and hear someone

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<v Speaker 1>who is so passionate about their work even if it

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<v Speaker 1>is obscure. Also, everyone else I've read your reviews, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for them. Okay, dazirology theologists themselves will

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<v Speaker 1>get to the etymology of this ology. Be forewarned pleasantly

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<v Speaker 1>it involves backsides. Also, the entire reason that this episode

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<v Speaker 1>exists is because I was just bebopping around Twitter dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and I happened upon this person's bio and saw

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<v Speaker 1>an ology I had never seen before, reached out immediately

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<v Speaker 1>and it was on. So they got their Bachelor of

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<v Speaker 1>Science in ecology at Griffith University and has been a

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<v Speaker 1>park ranger in Tasmania. Is currently getting their d phil

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<v Speaker 1>at Oxford University, which apparently is the same as a PhD,

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<v Speaker 1>but Oxford likes to spice it up a bit, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've been a long time lover of carnivores. They have

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<v Speaker 1>a particular affection for the doziurids like qualls, which you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is. That's okay, we go

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<v Speaker 1>into it, and dazzi Urid is also the endangered Tesmian devil.

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<v Speaker 1>Also instantly this person has the best laugh in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>So they hopped on the horn as I clumsily fumbled

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<v Speaker 1>my mic getting set up, and we just dove into

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<v Speaker 1>a shimmering sea of facts about their Tasmanian roots and

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<v Speaker 1>marsupial nipples. Beers. You shouldn't drink cookies. You should drink

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<v Speaker 1>the most Australian way to have an afternoon. What Tasmanian

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<v Speaker 1>devils smell like from both ends? Looney tunes, flim flammery,

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<v Speaker 1>The disease threatening Tasmanian devils, Why they're called devils, what

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<v Speaker 1>you can do to help them, and how indigenous knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>is critical to Australian ecology. All this and more with

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<v Speaker 1>Kwal Talker and Tasmanian devil angel dazzirologist m Dale.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Allie, Hi, how are you? Can you hear me? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Good?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. It's so good to hear your voice. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so good to hear your voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Is crazy, I'm like so be I'm thrilled. I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>believe that there's an ologist who studied these animals.

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<v Speaker 2>What time is it where you're right now? You're on

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<v Speaker 2>the East Coast. No, you're in Oxford. No, I'm in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a am Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I not say that they have the best laugh?

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<v Speaker 1>They have the best laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like trying to think of that. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>in Tasmania? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I had kind of an

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<v Speaker 2>evacuation moment during the pandemic, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so how long are you back? How long are

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<v Speaker 1>you back?

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<v Speaker 2>Man? I don't know. I mean it depends. Oxford was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like go home and don't come back. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I might not ever go back. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I might, I will go back, but I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not counting on it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so for the foreseeable future.

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<v Speaker 2>Your home, yeah, which is really nice. Actually, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially I think it's like Tasmania is a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>change right now, especially in the current political climate, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited to be a part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>When I clicked on your bio, yeah, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, a what ologist? I just was like that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like the first thing of course that honed in

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<v Speaker 1>on if someone has ologists in their bio. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have something. You'll be followed and I will be treating.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked it up and I was like fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>Tasmanian devils and quaals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and things called fasca gales and Antikitus is like,

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<v Speaker 2>DA's a yurid, like the most gnihliest animals. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you they're so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in researching like basic Google search of like what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of animals is and it's just this like thing

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like like a cute little guinea pig feasting

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<v Speaker 1>give me just a very rough description of what Tasmania

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<v Speaker 1>is like for people who literally probably think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fictional place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's so I'm gonna maybe do some code switching

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<v Speaker 2>here in terms of like referring to Tasmania. So the paalawakani,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Tasmanian aboriginal speak if word for Tasmania is

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<v Speaker 2>literal wheata. And you know, part of part of me

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<v Speaker 2>being a non indigenous Tasmanian is that I feel a

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<v Speaker 2>great responsibility to, you know, acknowledge the people who own

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<v Speaker 2>this land that I stand on that stolen land. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in Nippaluna, which is Hobart, and Tasmania is an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible place. It's like the beauty here is amazing. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you think about, like we have these these plants

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<v Speaker 2>called pandani plants. When I say pandana, you might think

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<v Speaker 2>of like pandana's on a beach. But these things grow

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<v Speaker 2>up in like moorlands, up on high mountains, and they're massive.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like four meters high, and they've all got this

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<v Speaker 2>big shaggy coat, like a big winter coat, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>the largest heath plant in the world. We've got these

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<v Speaker 2>massive like gum trees that are like pyromaniacs that like

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<v Speaker 2>drop their leaves and drop their bark and they're the

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<v Speaker 2>tallest flowering plants in the world. And then we have

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<v Speaker 2>like incredible alpine tarans that are like have been formed

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<v Speaker 2>through rocks, cutting through glaciers and like magma and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And like it's a very awe inspiring landscape. Like you

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<v Speaker 2>come to Tasmania, you fly or you you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>take a boat in and the minute you get here,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, your world changes. I never found

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<v Speaker 2>a place like Tasmania. I've traveled quite a lot. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of Tasmanian's kind of like especially Qui

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<v Speaker 2>Tasmanians end up leaving. It can be such a scary

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<v Speaker 2>landscape to grow up in, but like it draws you back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. If you're like, I don't even know where Tasmania is,

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay. We're not going to tell anyone. So Tasmania

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<v Speaker 1>is like heart shaped island. It's one of Australia's states.

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<v Speaker 1>It's off of the southeast coast, kind of like where

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<v Speaker 1>America's Florida would be. It's off the coast of Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about the size of Ireland or West Virginia. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got a population of about a half million people. And

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<v Speaker 1>to the east of Tasmania is the larger patch of

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<v Speaker 1>earth that we call New Zealand. Now. Because Tasmania is

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<v Speaker 1>more souther than the rest of Australia, it is thus

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the South Pole, so it's a little cooler

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<v Speaker 1>than mainland Australia. It has all four seasons, which is

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<v Speaker 1>more than I can say for Los Angeles. It's got ferny, mossy,

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<v Speaker 1>cool rainforests and mountains and bays and beaches. It's gorgeous. Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>did em mention that queer Tasmanians leave. Let's get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>Tazi is a really weird place. When I was growing

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<v Speaker 2>up here, I just really didn't see there was no

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<v Speaker 2>one openly queer. It was really like it was a

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<v Speaker 2>every anti gay landscape, anti queer landscape. Last year for

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<v Speaker 2>Pride Month, we had a lovely guy called Alex Bond

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<v Speaker 2>come and talk to us who works here at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Tasmania part time. And I didn't realize he

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<v Speaker 2>actually worked in Tazzi and we were in Oxford, and

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<v Speaker 2>when he started talking about Tasmania, I just burst into tears.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never I've never seen a queer scientist. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of a queer scientist from here. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very isolating place for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like my you know, I you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was really super closet and I went through lots of

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<v Speaker 2>conversion therapy at my school and like that's just tazzy.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's super excited to be back here and like

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<v Speaker 2>see things changing, Like it's a very backwards place. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I'm not I don't want to bash

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<v Speaker 2>Tazzi too much. Like I love this place.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a beautiful place and it's and yeah it's

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<v Speaker 1>people like you who who speak up and make it

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<v Speaker 1>even better.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I hope. So it's just I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be I want to be that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of role model for other queer people because it was

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<v Speaker 2>just so isolating to grow up here being queer, and

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<v Speaker 2>just like it wasn't an option to be out like

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<v Speaker 2>if you were you know, I think I remember I

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<v Speaker 2>told my mum when I was like seven or eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, bless her bless her heart. She just didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, She was like, you just need to keep

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<v Speaker 2>that quiet, just like it was just that's just how

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<v Speaker 2>things are, you know. Yeah, but not anymore. I won't

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<v Speaker 2>let another generation of Tasmanians go through that, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's what happened again.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't Mimi just legit crying? But also Tasmania, let's continue

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<v Speaker 1>to look at it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I could drive for like half an hour and then

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<v Speaker 2>be in the middle of nowhere and wouldn't see a

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<v Speaker 2>soul for weeks. Like and twenty percent of the state

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<v Speaker 2>is a massive national part which is an incredible World

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<v Speaker 2>Heritage site which will be preserved hopefully forever. We have

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<v Speaker 2>really incredible like endangered grasslands, like if you want anything,

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<v Speaker 2>you come here, you'll find it. We have like these

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<v Speaker 2>massive things called cave spiders that live for eighty years

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<v Speaker 2>and they have sex for twenty four hours at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're incredible. Like in, this place has so much

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<v Speaker 2>to offer, and the history here is so rich in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of indig and First Nation people. I feel quite privilege.

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked in the Parks and Wildlife Service for a

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<v Speaker 2>while and I've been able to kind of engage with

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<v Speaker 2>that a little bit as a non Indigenous person. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a great privilege being a Tasmanian.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to go. It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been to Australia even yeah, I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>to New Zealand. I've never been down there, so I

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<v Speaker 1>know I got it to go do stow away on

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<v Speaker 1>a freighter ship. It's just if I know who's done.

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<v Speaker 2>That, it'll be easy enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear the coffee Dananda is amazing too. Also, my

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<v Speaker 1>accent is impeccable.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>And y'all the critters. Yeah, and now Tasmanian Devils. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have heard about them via Looney Tunes for years

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<v Speaker 1>and years and years. And one question I got on Patreon,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll get to Patreon questions in a bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>was like, are they real? Like a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are not aware that they're actual animals. Yeah, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>what one is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so tas many devils are real. They're real, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're just very sweet little things. So in the liny,

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<v Speaker 2>Taz is like this crazy kind of tornado like animal

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of like rips up things in his path

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<v Speaker 2>and he's kind of quite like, you know, quite aggressive.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you catch a devil in a trap, they

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<v Speaker 2>are just the most smoothie little babies. They just sit

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<v Speaker 2>on your lap and they just let you do whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you want. They'll like you can put your finger in

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<v Speaker 2>their mouths to take and you take a biopsy of

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<v Speaker 2>their tumors, you can take blood from their ears, you

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<v Speaker 2>can give them a little pat and they're just so calm,

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<v Speaker 2>just I mean, and a part of that is shock,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. But when I first worked with them, I

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<v Speaker 2>me was like, no, no, no, they're really chill and just

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<v Speaker 1>How big are we talking cat dog bread basket.

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<v Speaker 2>They're kind of like the side of a malties like that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they're not big, they're just they're all buffy. They've

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<v Speaker 3>Boofy buffy adjective Australian informal volumino is all puffed out

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<v Speaker 3>but stupid, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Chunky chunky boys. So dazzy urid is like the family

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<v Speaker 2>that they're in with quoals and anticinnises and fasca, gales,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And it means hairy tails that they have

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<v Speaker 2>those really these really hairy tails. But devils specifically store

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<v Speaker 2>fat in the base of their tails that they have

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<v Speaker 2>these little like these a little bit quite big bums.

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<v Speaker 2>Extraordin are really sweet to like, you know, you feel

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<v Speaker 2>how healthy a devil is, Like some animals, like a sheep,

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<v Speaker 2>you might feel like, you know, back behind it's like

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<v Speaker 2>in front of its hip bone, see how much fat

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<v Speaker 2>it has. For devil, you squeeze a little bum and

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<v Speaker 2>you see how healthy they are. I think it's quite.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet, but my god, your fieldwork is like a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, it is. That's crazy. But they get there

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<v Speaker 2>like they get their bad rap or their like their

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<v Speaker 2>name devil from when invaders first came to Lotua, Tasmania,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have this. You have to cut to a

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<v Speaker 2>noise of a Tasmanian devil because it is otherworldly. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I have at our farmhouse, we have devil's

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<v Speaker 2>under our porch. And when when you know, when they're

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<v Speaker 2>feeling particularly vocal and want to have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a sing, like it's like the devil has literally

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<v Speaker 2>risen from hell and is about to eat your soul.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a really horrible voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready to hear one having a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a sing? I am? It's like a car.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually it is. It kind of does sound a

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<v Speaker 2>bit like that, or like a cat and pain. It's

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<v Speaker 2>specifically karaoke, maybe just anybody karaoke. I don't mean to

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<v Speaker 2>hate carriage. But they also have like if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at a picture, then they've got little like pointy years

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<v Speaker 2>and so they look a bit a bit, a bit gnarly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but and their ears are quite thin. That

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<v Speaker 2>skin's quite thin. And when they get excited, the blood

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<v Speaker 2>or rushes to their ears. Makes it makes it they

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<v Speaker 2>have little glowing red horns basically, so, oh my god. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when invaders came, you know, for the first time, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in their eighteen hundred so they heard this noise and

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<v Speaker 2>they on a light and they saw this you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pointy thing, and they genuinely thought it was a devil.

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<v Speaker 2>And then imagine their surprise when like a little tiny

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<v Speaker 2>thing came, you know, wobbling out of the bush sat

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<v Speaker 2>of Malteesse. It came of licked their legs or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Like did you grow up? I mean, you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>maybe seeing them under the portraits. So when did you decide, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to dedicate my life to science and studying

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<v Speaker 1>these little critters.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really lucky that I had. I was raised

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<v Speaker 2>by my granddad who or my grandad and my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and my granddad was an ecologist. He was a botanist,

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<v Speaker 2>and he always really encouraged me to like follow what

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do, and he was you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>would take me out to Seward's treatment plants and things

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<v Speaker 2>to look at, like you know, plants and stuff and iver. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love plants and they're really cool, really and a

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<v Speaker 2>really important thing. And I like looking at them and

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy their presence around me, But that was never

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<v Speaker 2>my thing. But I remember seeing like devils, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>devils are a pretty iconic animal. They have been since

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<v Speaker 2>I've been alive, and it kind of the whole like

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot tell you in that in the dazzer urids,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's so much cool stuff going on, and like

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<v Speaker 2>so little is known about them because quite elusive, and

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<v Speaker 2>until the facial humor kind of came around with the devils,

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't much research being like happening on them. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like a very kind of all very neglected in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of like you know, in comparison to other, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>other animals, like say that you know, the counterpart in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK might be a badger or something. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's quite a lot of research focused on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of animals, whereas our little carnivores get kind

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<v Speaker 2>of neglected down here. So but there and they're so special,

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing a devil in the wild, like it never

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<v Speaker 2>gets old, Like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just oh, I couldn't I couldn't take it. Yeah, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be so upset.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's always like it's fund seeing ones that you've

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<v Speaker 2>caught before every moment is joyous in a way. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I guess that is kind of what attracted me.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it this like there's not much we've just be

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<v Speaker 2>done on them. They're really interesting, like all all of

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<v Speaker 2>the species, all of the all of the families.

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<v Speaker 1>There, so Tasmanian devils, marsupials.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they mastupers have a pouch which is called a marsupium.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, that's just a random wanky fact for you.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a section called wanky Facts.

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<v Speaker 1>You need your own podcast called M's Wanky.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that would go down so well. Start.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So M's Wanky Fact Number one is marsupial pouches

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<v Speaker 1>are called marsupiums, and Taskmedian devils have them. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk teats.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of my favorite facts about devils and quolls.

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<v Speaker 2>I think also like the smaller dasi yurds too. But

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<v Speaker 2>so they only have four teets. So when they're born,

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<v Speaker 2>they got to the strue. For all marsupials, all things

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<v Speaker 2>that have pouches, they're born through the vaginal canal and

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<v Speaker 2>they've got to climb a little way up to the pouch.

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<v Speaker 2>Devils have four teats. Quolls have sixteeths, but they give

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<v Speaker 2>birth to forty babies, So fourteen sixty babies have to

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<v Speaker 2>crawl from the vaginal canal out to the find the

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<v Speaker 2>way to the pouch and get onto a teat. And

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<v Speaker 2>only the four in these that have all six in

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<v Speaker 2>the case of the quoll, survived. Oh my god, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the mom eats the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god, that is ruthless.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that crazy? Imagine eating your own baby, playing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them all the time, lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Like gummy bear, yeah, well, and little ticksack size yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, like popcorn shrimp. That's like, if we had

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of babies the size of popcorn shrimp.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the ones that made your way to the

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<v Speaker 2>breasts and the strongest one and the rest of you, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're too weak. And that's why maybe when they're adults

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<v Speaker 2>they're quite chill, because they got all their kind of

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<v Speaker 2>really aggressiveness out of the way when they were just

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<v Speaker 2>immediately born, like elbowing their siblings out of them to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the teat.

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<v Speaker 1>How are the ones that find the tea, the Chosen four?

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<v Speaker 1>How are they not total assholes like you think you

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<v Speaker 1>would have? You know, you think like only the assholes ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I mean it would be it's definitely. It's probably

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<v Speaker 2>a combination of like what time were you born? And

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<v Speaker 2>also like are you directionally challenged? Because if they walk,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the opposite way, they're gonna end up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor. It's just luck. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 2>complete luck. Like I don't really I'm sure people really

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<v Speaker 2>understand who wins because they don't get to you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get to the other ones in time because the mum's

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<v Speaker 2>already you know, had a bit of a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lick and eating them all. So but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they probably are assholes. Like if you had, if

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<v Speaker 2>you it's about a devil jelly bean on the floor

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<v Speaker 2>and you try to raise it, maybe it would be

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<v Speaker 2>the sweetest, kindest angel baby you've ever met.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, can you imagine you're just born? You

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<v Speaker 1>take a wrong turn, you wind up at your mom's

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<v Speaker 1>buttthole and she.

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<v Speaker 2>Relatable. But yeah, I know it's so hard. It's such

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<v Speaker 2>a hard life being like a devil or a quote

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<v Speaker 2>like if you start off on the wrong foot, like

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<v Speaker 2>your whole life is really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they all deserve book deals. Now they're carnivores, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you think, like a mom, she's got a nursey thing,

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<v Speaker 1>so she needs meat. Do they do? They go straight

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<v Speaker 1>from the teat to eating like insects, worms, like what happened, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's different. So for devils, they'll be stuck on

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<v Speaker 2>there for quite a long time with the teat like

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<v Speaker 2>swills in their mouth, and they get stuck there for

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<v Speaker 2>a while. They grow foh, and they open their eyes

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<v Speaker 2>and they kind of ride around a mum's back for

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<v Speaker 2>a bit and they still be suckling though at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But they should be trying them out on carrying like

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<v Speaker 2>dead meat like scavenge meat. They're pretty much like obligate

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<v Speaker 2>They mostly they obligate red meat eaters. They don't really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stoop down to the level of insects like

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<v Speaker 2>a qual what coals mostly like, well like Eastern cooals

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<v Speaker 2>eat prominently insects and stuff. But yeah, devils are not

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<v Speaker 2>app hunters. They've got oh no, no, no, no, they can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically a recent study was published about they put like

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<v Speaker 2>cameras on devils to see what they do. And one

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<v Speaker 2>devil tried to eat a wallabe and the wallaby got away,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it just stood there, growling angrily, huffing and

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<v Speaker 2>like getting upset with itself. Can you imagine that? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine? It's like if you go to the fridge

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<v Speaker 2>there's like for the third time, there's nothing, there's something

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<v Speaker 2>that you want to eat your stentd and you get

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<v Speaker 2>really grumpy. It's kind of what the devil was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I okay. Side note if you're like me and you

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<v Speaker 1>struggle to form mental pictures of southern hemispheric marsupials that

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<v Speaker 1>frankly sound fictitious. A wallabee is about ten pounds and

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<v Speaker 1>kangaroo looking. It's a little smaller than a Tasmanian devil,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're macropods, which means that they have big feet,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently tazzies are like, fuck, I can't even eat

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<v Speaker 1>this if it's still alive. Ps. What kind of leggies

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<v Speaker 1>do Tasmanian devils have?

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<v Speaker 2>So they've got like their back legs, they're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a hyena in the way they walk. They've got

413
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<v Speaker 2>like really long back legs. They kind of hobble so

414
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<v Speaker 2>they can run pretty fast up at twenty five k's

415
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<v Speaker 2>an hour, but they kind of they kind of wobble

416
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<v Speaker 2>more than run in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I look this up, and if a Tasmanian

418
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<v Speaker 1>devil were chasing you to try to beat your ass,

419
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<v Speaker 1>you'd need at least an electric scooter to get away.

420
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<v Speaker 1>So GTK good to know.

421
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<v Speaker 2>And they're really just like scavengers, so they'll eat. They

422
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<v Speaker 2>eat a lot of roadkill. When the Tazi target the

423
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<v Speaker 2>Pila scene was alive, they would have eaten the remains

424
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<v Speaker 2>of their kills, but in their absence they mostly allow

425
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<v Speaker 2>on roadkill. So it's pretty it's a pretty chill life

426
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<v Speaker 2>for a devil baby, because your mum will just rock up.

427
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<v Speaker 2>She'll just smell like a dead wallaby on the road,

428
00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:47.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know, she'll kind of just pull it off

429
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the side and you'll all start eating together. It's quite

430
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<v Speaker 2>a family affair in that way.

431
00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Now, if if there is a marsupial that's been roadkill,

432
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<v Speaker 1>I understand that you should try to check it to

433
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<v Speaker 1>see if there's any bibus.

434
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<v Speaker 2>And there, yeah, little babies, I should always that's a

435
00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.599
<v Speaker 2>thing that where it's almost like a like a rite

436
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<v Speaker 2>of Passage's an Australia. I think you you check the pouch.

437
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Often in the pouch the'll be a little pinky, which

438
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.480
<v Speaker 2>is like a really little baby jolly bean stuck to

439
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the teeth. It's hard to raise such small babies. It

440
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.160
<v Speaker 2>can be done with the right cares, but you know,

441
00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:21.839
<v Speaker 2>in lots of cases they'll be like a Joey just sitting,

442
00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:24.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, by its marmore in the bush. Yeah. But

443
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.400
<v Speaker 2>the other thing is because devils they are endangered, but

444
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:31.039
<v Speaker 2>from facial cancer, but also from roadkill. Like around four

445
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.319
<v Speaker 2>hundred devils die every year on the road because they

446
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.559
<v Speaker 2>scavenge off roadkill. And so it's really important that if anyone,

447
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.839
<v Speaker 2>if anyone, if anyone has many listening to this, drag

448
00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the road kill off the road so devils don't get

449
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<v Speaker 2>hit by cars accidentally.

450
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Tasmania, maybe keep some taco tanks in your trunk

451
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and just do a little good Samaritan carcass dragging from

452
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<v Speaker 1>now and again. But stay safe, please. Now am has

453
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<v Speaker 1>mentioned facial tumors a few times, and don't worry. We're

454
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<v Speaker 1>going to get into what the hell is happening with

455
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<v Speaker 1>these tassy tumors in a bit and Tasmanian devils are

456
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<v Speaker 1>only in Tasmania, correct.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they used to be on the mainland of Australia,

458
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<v Speaker 2>but they haven't been there for about four thousand and

459
00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:14.240
<v Speaker 2>three thousand years. It's unknown why they're not there, but

460
00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that kind of that time frame Cohen's husband, dingoes kind

461
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>of made their way to Australia and dingoes are quite

462
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<v Speaker 2>avid hunters. There was no land bridge it Tasmina at

463
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<v Speaker 2>that time, so they would have been Yeah, they would

464
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<v Speaker 2>have just kind of slowly gone extinct on the mainland. Yeah.

465
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<v Speaker 1>And now what about qualls. Yeah, which, by the way,

466
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<v Speaker 1>I thought at first was a quaker, which is a

467
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<v Speaker 1>different thing by the bay. So quakers are those blisteringly

468
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>cute little critters who are related to wallabies, but they

469
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>look like a mix between a hamster and Tom Hanks

470
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.279
<v Speaker 1>and as it turns out, are not flesh shredders. Yeah,

471
00:24:54.480 --> 00:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and how it was like quaker is a credible that's horrifying, Yeah,

472
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.359
<v Speaker 1>like an evil clown kind of away like sweet and

473
00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:08.519
<v Speaker 1>cute and then just bloother. Oh god, but a quarker

474
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<v Speaker 1>in a quall a different different So what is a quall?

475
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 2>So a quoll is so there's a couple different types

476
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.400
<v Speaker 2>and tazzi. We have spotted tail quolls and eastern coals,

477
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.799
<v Speaker 2>and they are like they're just like devils, they're like,

478
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.079
<v Speaker 2>but they're they're actually psychotic. Like when you catch a

479
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:28.759
<v Speaker 2>quoll in a trap, you are lucky to walk away

480
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<v Speaker 2>with your face still intact from that encounter. They're really

481
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:38.519
<v Speaker 2>quite they're quite like manic animals, and they're they're quite

482
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<v Speaker 2>different to devils. They will actively hunt. Basically, they're like

483
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<v Speaker 2>big cats. We call them native cats actually occasionally, and

484
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<v Speaker 2>they're like big cats, big long tails and spots all

485
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.880
<v Speaker 2>over them. So the spotted tail quoal has like spots

486
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<v Speaker 2>on their tails and the eastern coll has no spots

487
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>on their tails. They kind of have like little mousey

488
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 2>faces and like the tiniest little piece knows that you

489
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:02.400
<v Speaker 2>just want to boop, but you know if you boop,

490
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.279
<v Speaker 2>you won't ever you won't ever be able to speak again,

491
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>So you just have to resist so much to not

492
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:10.039
<v Speaker 2>boop a little snoop.

493
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. So qualls have more of a temperament

494
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 1>that we have thought was belonging to Tasmanian double.

495
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, that's completely flipped. Like yeah, devils of

496
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:24.119
<v Speaker 2>the chill chill due didn'ts like and the kind of

497
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>like really like aggressive cousins that just really don't want

498
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:33.200
<v Speaker 2>to be around you. Oh can you not please? It's

499
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 2>really strange, but like, and these things are like spotted

500
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.640
<v Speaker 2>tail quols are quite big there, but they can they

501
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 2>weigh about three to four kilos and they're not that big,

502
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>like they're really quite light, but they can be kind

503
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>of quite long, but they can hunt things that are like,

504
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:50.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, fourteen to eighteen kilos like I have. I

505
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 2>remember once I was sitting by a river and I

506
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 2>was just like watching a plant of course or something,

507
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and this spotted tail quoal just like jumped next to

508
00:26:58.039 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>me and it had a possum in its mouth, the

509
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>whole possum. And like, these things are that big, but

510
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>they can bring down like massive prey and it's just

511
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>incredible what they can do. Like they are I know,

512
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:12.160
<v Speaker 2>devil's are really kind of thought as the apex predator,

513
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 2>but I would I would put my money on the

514
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 2>fact that, you know, spotted tail qualls had with most

515
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of the legwork down here in terms of like actually

516
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 2>actively hunting and killing things that.

517
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Story the only way that story could get more os

518
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.559
<v Speaker 1>was like if you were drinking a faster.

519
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's such a blasphemous thing to say.

520
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Don't talk me about Foster's.

521
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. I don't even know. Sitting in

522
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>a river watching a platypus and then a quaal harps

523
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 1>by with a past Oh.

524
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so quas really, doesn't it. Yeah? Yeah yeah?

525
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>And then a kangaroo time it punched me, and a

526
00:27:54.920 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 1>crocodile like that. Conga, that's a good accent.

527
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>That's quite impressive.

528
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine anything. That's amazing. Oh my god. I

529
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>need to figure out what kind of beers people drink

530
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 1>down there, though, I have to. I'll research that.

531
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like four x a lower end beer,

532
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess in terms of like price. But there's like,

533
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, we have a lot of craft beer

534
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>down here. It's quite impressive. Really. When I was, you know, honestly,

535
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.400
<v Speaker 2>when I was, like, you know, a teenager, there was

536
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 2>like one bottle of that you could get like one

537
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 2>type of beer from. And now there's like craft beers everywhere.

538
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>It's very changed landscape. Let me tell you.

539
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>You have like artisanal VETERI.

540
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, I got back this time and there was like,

541
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 2>manuca honey, Tim Tams. I don't know, man, I'm not.

542
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

543
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hate on like growth, but I

544
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>feel like that's a bit weird anyway.

545
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Ps if you ever want to seem like a tassy

546
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>local order of Bogues if you're in the North, and

547
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:02.519
<v Speaker 1>a Cascade beer in the South, and Bonus Cascades have

548
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>a Tasmanian tiger on the label, which is now extinct

549
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 1>because of colonization, which is like a stage four bummer.

550
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Also side note, a Timtam slam is when you bite

551
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 1>off diagonal corners of this chocolate cream filled wafer cookie

552
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>and then you suck tea through it and then you

553
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>jam the whole shebang in your shebang hall, which sounds

554
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>perfect if you need to warm up with a thermos

555
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 1>a tea while you work in the chill of a

556
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>brisk July Southern hemisphere. Y'all, it's topsy turvy. And now

557
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 1>what about field season? Like when is field season for you?

558
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>When it's like mating season? And also let's talk about

559
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>their little face tumors. Yeah, yeah, I didn't even know

560
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that was the thing.

561
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So I'm not doing fieldbug right now. My

562
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of work is desk base. I'm doing some like

563
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 2>modeling of the facial tumor and stuff. But if you're

564
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.759
<v Speaker 2>talking about a life cycle of a devil, they're breeding, well,

565
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>probably February to May more like it, and their vegetation

566
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>is about I think it's like twenty one or it

567
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 2>could be fifty one days. It's one of those. It's

568
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>one of those numbers that end in one something twenty

569
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 2>diffree teenty or fifty days. I don't know. It's very different.

570
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Numbers, but okay, I looked it up, and for twenty

571
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>one days, they cook indoors before crawling out of her

572
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>vagine and then dodging her late night munchies and beating

573
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.119
<v Speaker 1>dozens of siblings to make it to a teat And.

574
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Then they stay around with mum until about like summertime here,

575
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>so that's like November December. So they stick around with

576
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>mom for quite a long time really, while they're growing

577
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.200
<v Speaker 2>in their pouch obviously, and then they're kind of learning

578
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>how to be a devil, and so by December they're

579
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>all really trying to find their own homes so devils

580
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>aren't territorial. They are solitary though, so they're not territorial

581
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 2>in the way that you might think of like a

582
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 2>lion being territorial, or like, I don't know, even a

583
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>coal being territorial. They do use latrines. They'll like, they'll

584
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 2>all poop in the same place, and they'll communicate by

585
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>anal gland secretions. So they have little like a little dog,

586
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>they have little anal glands on the side of their

587
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>bum holes, and when they poop, they kind of secrete

588
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.759
<v Speaker 2>a substance that kind of communicates different olfactory cues to

589
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.880
<v Speaker 2>their mates around them. But they don't have like territorial

590
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>territory boundaries, but they do like being kind of in

591
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>their own space. So in December, little dudes will kind

592
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 2>of start walking around trying to find their own homes,

593
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of it's kind of not opportune. It's

594
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:32.480
<v Speaker 2>good for them because there's a lot of food around

595
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and easy food, and a lot of things are dying

596
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>as well, like they're getting older and dying, so it's

597
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of easy prey. But there's a lot of people

598
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>on the roads because someway everyone's going out to their

599
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 2>shacks or to the beach or up to the bush.

600
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>So we get a lot of devils dying on the roads,

601
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>young devils, which is a shame because they haven't even

602
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 2>got the chance to start breeding, and they haven't even

603
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 2>got the chance to survive the facial tumor yet. So

604
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 2>we use a lot of devils young devils every summer

605
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>because they they move around dusk and dawn, and it's

606
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 2>hard to see them because they're jet black basically, you know,

607
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>lesser little white shop on their balm and a little

608
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 2>white sharp on their chest, so it's really hard to

609
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:11.640
<v Speaker 2>see them. And if you're kind of doing one hundred

610
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>ks an hour down the highway and little devil's feacing

611
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 2>on a dead waller bey in the middle of the road,

612
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to you're not going to see end time.

613
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 2>So there's like a big push for people to kind

614
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 2>of really slow down dusk and dawn because it's unnecessary death.

615
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:26.559
<v Speaker 2>We can't really afford it at this point, you know,

616
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>we lose semmi devil's too. Here's a segway to the

617
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>facial tumor, which is so it's called tasmai devil facial

618
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>tumor disease. Or DFTD, and it came. It was first

619
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<v Speaker 2>sighted up in a place called Narantapu in nineteen ninety six.

620
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<v Speaker 2>And it's one of only two mammalian transitionionball cancers. The

621
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<v Speaker 2>other one is like a really really old dog penis cancer.

622
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<v Speaker 1>Did you expect to hear the stack of words really

623
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<v Speaker 1>all dog penis cancer served up into your ear like

624
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 1>a club sandwich today? No? No, you didn't. And if

625
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 1>you're a dog with a dick and you get canine

626
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>venereal transmissible tumor, how do you deal with it?

627
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<v Speaker 2>Well?

628
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<v Speaker 1>According to the paper Diseases and Surgery of the Canine Penis,

629
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<v Speaker 1>a dog dick doctor would recommend partial or complete penale amputation,

630
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<v Speaker 1>depending on the tumor type and location. So are you

631
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>glad you're not a dog? So is everyone except maybe

632
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Tasmanian devils.

633
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<v Speaker 2>What we think happened, it's hard to tell. What we

634
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 2>think happened is a female devil up in the northeast

635
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:39.319
<v Speaker 2>of the state got cancer and through their behavior and

636
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>also their logenet diversity spread throughout the state. Soti I

637
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>say behavior they are quite gentle with people, and that

638
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>could be, you know, an element of shock and stuff

639
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>but amongst themselves they are quite grumpy. They don't have

640
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>really good eyesight. They mostly use their smell and their hearing,

641
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're really long whiskers to navigate the landscape. And

642
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 2>also that there's not much carrying. There's not much food

643
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to eat really, I mean, it's mostly roadkill. Things will die,

644
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, naturally, there'll be a dead sheep in a

645
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 2>field or something, but generally there's not a lot of

646
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>food around. So they all have to kind of share,

647
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and they don't really. They're solitary. They don't like sharing.

648
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 2>They're being forced now more than ever, especially as humans

649
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:19.800
<v Speaker 2>encroach on their habitat more and more. They're being pushed

650
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 2>together and having to eat together. And so when they're eating,

651
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.679
<v Speaker 2>they're all kind of they're all kind of going a

652
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 2>bit crazy. They're getting a bit excited. It's like if

653
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you walk into your favorite restaurant and you saw a

654
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.840
<v Speaker 2>big player pasta and you were like, I haven't eaten

655
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 2>in days, and you just start crying, and you know,

656
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.760
<v Speaker 2>you're all racing towards all your friends haven't eaten for

657
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 2>days too, and it's all your favorite meal, and you

658
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 2>all start writing towards it. You get a bit grumpy.

659
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's natural, Like it's normal. I'm fight over pasta.

660
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:49.280
<v Speaker 2>They're far over, you know.

661
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dead possup, absolutely so, especially when you're like, I

662
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>made it to a tea. I'm going to make it

663
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<v Speaker 1>that you did.

664
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, i'd be. My brother's is all eaten by my mom.

665
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I need to eat this.

666
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Wait what were we talking about? Oh yeah, okay, fleshy

667
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>cancer knobs. They kind of look like your skin to

668
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>plum and it bore its way through their cheeks, eventually

669
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:14.039
<v Speaker 1>killing them and breaking my heart a thousand times over

670
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 1>AKA Tasmanian devil facial tumor disease, which, let's be honest,

671
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>should be called TDFTD, but it's none of my business. Anyway.

672
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.920
<v Speaker 1>They get bity with each other because of these long

673
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 1>brunch lines and also because they get horny and.

674
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>If they get too closer to they naturally they just

675
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of bite each other on the face. But what

676
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 2>that means is probably what this female did is she

677
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>had this cancer, she bit another devil on the face,

678
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 2>and then the cancer transmitted through that. And probably because

679
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>they're quite closely genetically to each other, they went through

680
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>quite a few bottlenecks. Even prior to invasion. Climate change

681
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>is you know, over the millennia has made them shrink

682
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and grow and shrink and grows. And then obviously post invasion,

683
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of the bounties out on their

684
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.840
<v Speaker 2>heads like Tasmanian tigers because of the myth that they

685
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>were eating their sheep when they've got a hunter sheep.

686
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>And they've grown steadily since then until about the nineties,

687
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and they've declined quite rapidly with this tumor. But the

688
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>interesting thing about it is it's a clonal cell. So,

689
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and I want to say here, I'm not a cancer researcher.

690
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm just an ecologist. There's a lot of research out

691
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>there that I'm not privy too, but from what I know,

692
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 2>it's it's clonal. So when you buiop see the cancer cells,

693
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 2>it's got the female devil, the first female devil cells

694
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:33.000
<v Speaker 2>in it, not the devil host cells. So okay, yeah,

695
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 2>and then wow, so there's and they're so rare, these

696
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>transmissible cancer. I say, there's only this one dog penis

697
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.880
<v Speaker 2>one and the devil. But then in twenty fourteen, a

698
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.679
<v Speaker 2>second strain of the facial tumor showed up down in

699
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the south of the state, which has male genetics, so

700
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 2>it's a whole it's almost like they've been struck by

701
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 2>lightning twice. So they had this first one nineteen ninety

702
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.599
<v Speaker 2>six and then a second one emerged, and they're two

703
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 2>different strains. You can tell with the DNA of each

704
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>of the strains. And basically we've lost, like you know,

705
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>there's been declins of up to ninety five percent of

706
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>devils in some area areas, there's there's probably less than

707
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>like probably ten twenty thousand devils. Prior to DFTD kind

708
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>of happening, we would have had like, I don't know,

709
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty thousand devils. It's a lot, a

710
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of deaths really, and it's almost one hundred percent

711
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 2>mortality rate because what happened is they get they get

712
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 2>it on their mouths and they can't get it elsewhere.

713
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.159
<v Speaker 2>They don't buy anywhere else really, but if they did

714
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>buy somewhere else, it would infect there. But it's very

715
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 2>facial facial orientated, but basically means they just starve to

716
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>death over the period a period of a year or so,

717
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 2>like slowly. So it's really sad and horrible. We've had

718
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 2>no examples of vertical transmission. We haven't ever seen a

719
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.079
<v Speaker 2>mom pass on it to her babies, but we have

720
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 2>seen examples of say where a devil might have facial

721
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 2>like have been a different true or from different individuals,

722
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>so say they might have been bitten three or four times.

723
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Because the cancer is quite a stable cancer, but it

724
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 2>has mutated, and it will mutate within an individual. So

725
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.039
<v Speaker 2>while it will ssoll have the same genetic kind of

726
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 2>composition of that first level that had it in nineteen

727
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>ninety six or the one in the South in twenty fourteen,

728
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it does mutate, so you can tell if an individual

729
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 2>has just one tumor that's spread or multiple different tumors.

730
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the basis of it. But there is

731
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 2>there is some hope, Like I mean, it's incredible, like

732
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.119
<v Speaker 2>the amount of attention that the devil's got with this,

733
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>like through cancer researchers, through cologists and biologists, it's been

734
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 2>an incredible effort to help them. Where still we don't

735
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 2>have any kind of cure, But what we have found

736
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>is there are individuals that have recovered from it nice

737
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 2>oh so they without any human intervention, they've reduced the

738
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 2>cancer in some way. Themselves, probably due to some kind

739
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>of immune response. So there have been like a few

740
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 2>weeks samples of devils kind of shrinking their own cancers

741
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:04.760
<v Speaker 2>in a way, which is badass as hell.

742
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for real, Yeah, they think that a vaccine is possible.

743
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I think they're working on a vaccine because the Men's

744
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Institute here at the University of Tasmania is like working

745
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 2>great guns to find a cure for it.

746
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So doctor Bruce Lyons of the University of Tasmania has

747
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.199
<v Speaker 1>said of the vaccine work that they're doing there that

748
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.599
<v Speaker 1>their research has found that, quote, the devil's immune system

749
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 1>can in certain circumstances eradicate the tumors. But the next

750
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>step is to connect the dots to hopefully produce a

751
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 1>single shot vaccine, and he says we've still got a

752
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>bit of a way to get there. But compared to

753
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the history of tumor immunology and human work, the achievements

754
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 1>with devils in the last ten years are outstanding. So

755
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that's promising. I mean, if they would just stop nipping

756
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 1>at each other while eating or having sexy times, which

757
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 1>is also how those face bites happen, then they would

758
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>be fine. But it's not like you can just hand

759
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>out information leaflets near Wallaby carcasses.

760
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.119
<v Speaker 2>You can't stop a devil from being a devil.

761
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you can't quarantine, like, hey, well, no one

762
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 1>bite each other.

763
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing we have tried that they have been

764
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Speaker 2>quarantining devils on an island offshore off Tazzy. They've put

765
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of devils on an island called Mariah Island.

766
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Why are you so obsessed with me? I think it's

767
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Palera kind of name is will Lou Wikiwaina they have

768
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:27.559
<v Speaker 2>about I guess, oh gosh, I don't want to say

769
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.000
<v Speaker 2>a number. I'm going to say a number and then

770
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 2>bloody wrong. But it'll be like like three hundred devils

771
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 2>there now, and they're very genetically diverse devils. There's no

772
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 2>roads there, like the only people that have cars there

773
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 2>are the rangers. There's no cancer, so it's it's like

774
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.199
<v Speaker 2>an insurance population. But it's also like it kind of

775
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 2>can feed into the main population too, because if you

776
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 2>can create more genetic diversity offshore and then bring that

777
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 2>to the main land of Tazzy, you can maybe kind

778
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.679
<v Speaker 2>of increase diversity enough that the cancer becomes us of

779
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 2>a problem. It's kind of the aim there.

780
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my gosh and full of tech.

781
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>So, oh my gosh. They're so cute. They have like

782
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 2>when you first get off the boat there, there's like

783
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.320
<v Speaker 2>a little like Rotto creation of devils whether all the

784
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 2>mums kick their babies out to all these little baby

785
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>devil's running around. It's so cute. They're so sweet.

786
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask your Patreon qu Yeah, I got we

787
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 1>got one thousand questions about the Looney Tunes character and

788
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.199
<v Speaker 1>we also just got a thousand questions.

789
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Ah.

790
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.679
<v Speaker 1>But before we get into your howling, screaming, blood filled

791
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and adorable questions, just a quick word about sponsors to

792
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>make it possible for us to donate to a cause

793
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>of each oligist choosing. And this week M had two

794
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>great ones, so we're splitting them, with some going to

795
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 1>the Save the Tasmanian Devil Appeal STDA, which delivers funds

796
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 1>to research and monitoring programs in response to devil facial

797
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>tumor disease, with its key aim to keep Tasmanian devils

798
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>sustainable in the wild. And M would also really like

799
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 1>to shout out and support Fire Sticks Alliance Indigenous Corporation,

800
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 1>which aims to create a resilient social and ecological landscape

801
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.760
<v Speaker 1>through cultural fire and land management practices and m said. Obviously,

802
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Australia has been hugely impacted by fire in the past

803
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<v Speaker 1>few years, and Firestick supports traditional custodians in maintaining and

804
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 1>building fire knowledge and practice, and it helps affected communities

805
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to heal in the aftermath of recent and future bush fires.

806
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>So to learn more about traditional fire custodianship, you can

807
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 1>check out the film Returning Petroula on Vimeo, which I'll

808
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 1>link in the show page on my website along with

809
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>those two charities. So donations are made possible by the

810
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>following sponsors, which you may hear about. Now, Okay, your questions, patrons,

811
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and so I'm just going to kind of like lightning

812
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.800
<v Speaker 1>around you. Yeah, okay, Ashley Curtin question, that's on all

813
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of our minds. What's the goss on their love lives?

814
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Do they mate for life? Do they have a family lifestyle?

815
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Do mamas have flings and then raise the babies alone? Like,

816
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>let's hear the juicy deeds.

817
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Devil's like a lot of out of They're

818
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 2>really like they're quite promiscuous. They definitely don't make for life.

819
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 2>They definitely have multiple different partners, and in fact, a

820
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 2>baby set can be from multiple different fathers. So it

821
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.119
<v Speaker 2>just depends on you know, wet which which sperm is

822
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the fastest kind of and like which is the most

823
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 2>verile I guess. But yeah, they'll just mate with anybody.

824
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>The breeding season is quite a noisy time. They're very like,

825
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you want to sing it, I guess

826
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>this is so funny, like if you just hear their

827
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>noise they make and imagine that that's either like them

828
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>like being happy to see food or being happy to

829
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.639
<v Speaker 2>see someone they want to have sex with. It's like

830
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like kind of the same kind of noise. And

831
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>they have they have a large vocal range, and they

832
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 2>definitely do like they have old factory like scent cube,

833
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 2>but they also do make a lot of noise and

834
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 2>being like I am ready to have a baby, So

835
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of noise, a lot of like a lot

836
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>of courtship, a lot of singing. But yeah, no, it's

837
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:58.159
<v Speaker 2>all very like males will just make with anybody, female

838
00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 2>will make with anybody. It's all. It's all kind of

839
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:01.719
<v Speaker 2>a it's a big free love kind of fest out there.

840
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very much like spring break. Yeah, oh yeah,

841
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:07.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of bony.

842
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no noise.

843
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Julie Bear on that note says sorry, but the dong

844
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.519
<v Speaker 1>question is compulsory. Do they have multi headed dicks like

845
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 1>other marsupials? By the way, Ali did not know that

846
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:22.360
<v Speaker 1>was a thing.

847
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:26.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they they, I don't know, definitely must pupples

848
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 2>who have like a kidness. I'm pretty shure have three

849
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 2>prong dicks, which is crazy, right, what's that for?

850
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I did not to bonuses. Just in case

851
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>you lose, I got a couple of backup exactly.

852
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm just googling to my devil penis. I don't I

853
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Uh, it's a picture here on I'm going

854
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.039
<v Speaker 2>to get some kind of oh it's a four headed penis.

855
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Well I well, oh my goodness, sounds floral.

856
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It looks kind of just like a generic penis. But

857
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem that that crazy.

858
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>All right?

859
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh Google, Okay, you should google it because it's yeah,

860
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, just yeah, oh.

861
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to google. Don't worry, there's going to

862
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>be in a sight on it. Okay. So yes, dude,

863
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>echidnas have quandro dongs partly because the females have a

864
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 1>vagina duo and from what I was able to google

865
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>on the phallus of Tassy, it looked kind of like

866
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>a sleepy earthworm. So let's meander casually over to butt smells.

867
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Julie Beer also wants to know what would be more

868
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>pungent the spray of a tassy or pebula pew are skunk.

869
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Hah, Well, they're not sinky. So I associate devils with

870
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 2>what we do. We trap them in these big PBC

871
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.119
<v Speaker 2>pipe things that are kind of circular because it kind

872
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 2>of makes them a bit more comfy, and then we

873
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 2>put them in a Hessian bag. So I kind of

874
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 2>associate the Tasmanian devil with the smell of.

875
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>A Hessian bag that's a burlap sack America.

876
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 2>And oh and so it smells quite nice to me

877
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>when I think of what a devil smells like. And

878
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 2>then also when I go looking for their poop, like

879
00:45:56.119 --> 00:46:00.159
<v Speaker 2>it's like really quite it's kind of pleasant. Like I've

880
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>worked with a lot smellier animals like quoals are pretty

881
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 2>smell The thing is, their faces do smell like rotting meat, don't.

882
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't spray you like a skunk. They won't like

883
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.599
<v Speaker 2>skunk on you or whatever, but they do definitely smell

884
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 2>like rotting flesh. So it depends what you're you're into.

885
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess associations run strong, like you know what I mean,

886
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 1>if it reminds you of being out in like hiking

887
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.480
<v Speaker 1>boots in the world doing the work you like, rotting

888
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>flesh is like, mmm, it's not.

889
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like it's kind of like relaxing in

890
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 2>a way.

891
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, on that note, Ella Sugarman wants to know what

892
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 1>shape are their poos. I'm hoping for cubes, but that

893
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:40.079
<v Speaker 1>is a wombat, right.

894
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wom bats have cube poops and I think it's

895
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.639
<v Speaker 2>recently someone just found it because of how their colon

896
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:47.119
<v Speaker 2>is shaped, which is interesting.

897
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Hey, question are you eating? If so, just skip ahead

898
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.239
<v Speaker 1>about like a minute and.

899
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 2>A half, just a warm So. Devil pools are pretty

900
00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:00.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty just generic carnival pooh. They have like they're quite long,

901
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 2>like almost like a They've got like tapered ends and

902
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Speaker 2>they're often joined in the middle by hair. They eat.

903
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>They eat everything, Like when I say a Tasmanian devil

904
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 2>like is a bit of a grut, a grut they are.

905
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.280
<v Speaker 2>They eat bones, they eat teeth, they eat eyes, they

906
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>eat hair, like everything. I remember once we put out

907
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 2>a kangaroo carcass just because there was a kangaroo around

908
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the farm and it had passed away, so we put

909
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.199
<v Speaker 2>it out. I want to see what would happen. And

910
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>the next morning it was there was the bones, and

911
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>then next day there was nothing like they So in

912
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 2>that way, the Lenitunes character is correct because they are

913
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 2>like a tornado eating food. But you know, so no,

914
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.760
<v Speaker 2>they're poo. Just it's not that exciting compared to a wombat.

915
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Pooh they have. Yeah, it's just like a lot of hair.

916
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:50.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's great. It's like like sausages, like sausages

917
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 2>and you can see bits of you know, often you

918
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.079
<v Speaker 2>get like if they've eaten like a little wallabee or

919
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 2>a little like Paddymelon, they'll have a whole jaw inside

920
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 2>there inside their poop because their jaws are so small,

921
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's like getting a testimating devil poo and it's

922
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 2>fine and like going through it is like my favorite thing.

923
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Like when I go out on a walk and I

924
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:14.840
<v Speaker 2>smell devil poo, I like I'm down there like Gollum fleshious,

925
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 2>like fingering it, breaking it off with my hands, and

926
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 2>only saw the bushworks are walking past me like I'm

927
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 2>some kind of real creep. But it's like they don't know,

928
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 2>they don't know what it's crazy. I'm holding liquid gold. Basically,

929
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like everything's I could ever want is inside this boop.

930
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:39.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that you're a desert Oh you thought

931
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>scientists were normal, boring people. No, no, not at all.

932
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:48.480
<v Speaker 1>That is one giant falsehood. Oh, flim flam. What's the

933
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>biggest myth about Tasmanian devils?

934
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Like?

935
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>How did I not ask that already?

936
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest myth has already gone over. The

937
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 2>biggest myth is obviously that they're grumpy, and they're really

938
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 2>just not that grumpy. I think that that's kind of

939
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing about devils. I think there's a lot

940
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>of talk about them being like will like apex predators.

941
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a bit of slim flam too. I

942
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.639
<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of I think we don't give

943
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.920
<v Speaker 2>quoals enough attention, and they are really the ones doing

944
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 2>the heavy lifting and e ecosystems. They're the ones kind

945
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 2>of like equalizing everything. I mean, devils are important. I

946
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 2>fucking love devils, but like I think we don't give

947
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.760
<v Speaker 2>quoals enough like kudos, because like, man, they are doing

948
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, God's work. I'm not religious, but if I was,

949
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I would be core religious.

950
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, one nation under calls.

951
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 2>The biggest saying that I hate you already got I

952
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 2>think I can't think of anything else.

953
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's a good one.

954
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

955
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh and Cameron Simpson has a question, what is up

956
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>with their hair coloring being white below their necks? Is

957
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.159
<v Speaker 1>it random? Is it unique to Tasmanian devils as a

958
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 1>server a purpose as opposed to calls? They have those spots, right.

959
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so quolls kind of when you see a quall

960
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 2>in the wild, which is hard to do because they

961
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.679
<v Speaker 2>blend in so well. It's like they're kind of rusty color,

962
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.400
<v Speaker 2>all the black or the fawn and the spots they

963
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 2>break them up in the landscape. They look like leaves basically.

964
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Whereas devils. Yeah, it's really really, really really rare to

965
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.840
<v Speaker 2>see a carnivore who's black and white. It's such a weird,

966
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.559
<v Speaker 2>stark coloring choice. And we do get devils that are

967
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:14.960
<v Speaker 2>just one hundred percent black, and we do get devils

968
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 2>that like have like almost quo like spots. It's very rare,

969
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.039
<v Speaker 2>but we do sometimes get devils with a lot of

970
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.760
<v Speaker 2>white on them. There's been a lot of like talk

971
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>about what it could be. It could be for like defense,

972
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>like you know, a big white you know, a big

973
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.719
<v Speaker 2>white kind of band is kind of quite like startling

974
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 2>to another devil. And then they have if they have

975
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>a big white band, that is, they'll have a matching

976
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 2>one on their bum. So it's almost like you can't

977
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.199
<v Speaker 2>tell which enders which. Maybe it's a confusing thing. Maybe

978
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.599
<v Speaker 2>it's like is this my fat bum or just my

979
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.559
<v Speaker 2>chunky chunky head? Who knows.

980
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 1>So?

981
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 2>And I guess because they are nocturnal or crepuscular, they

982
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of blur the line between being active a dawn

983
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 2>and dust or overnight. You know, being black probably helps them,

984
00:50:58.360 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>but also they don't have to blend in that well,

985
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>they don't. Nothing really hunts them. I mean, that's probably

986
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.159
<v Speaker 2>why the dingo did kind of decimate them so badly,

987
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.360
<v Speaker 2>because they are quite apparent, and that's it's one of

988
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 2>like feral dogs, like loose dog packs here are a

989
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 2>really big issue because they are quite starkly obvious to

990
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, a predator.

991
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh and one more question from a patron and Jolie

992
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Brown wants, now, how adaptable are Tasmanian devils and calls

993
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 1>to climactic change and other changes to their environment like

994
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>heavy rainy season and drought stuff like that.

995
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:35.920
<v Speaker 2>That is an incredible question because not very well. So

996
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 2>they're quite hardy things in like other situations like as

997
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I said, fire not a problem, like you know, brush

998
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 2>it off, shake it off, tay the swift. It's like

999
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of fine about like like those kind of

1000
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.840
<v Speaker 2>more natural events climatic changes, know, they cannot deal with it.

1001
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:54.679
<v Speaker 2>So devils, you know, over time, you know, through the

1002
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 2>fossil history, we've seen that there's been like massive drops

1003
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and massive inclines in terms of climate change. Same with quoals,

1004
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Like Eastern quoals are probably my favorite animal. And I

1005
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.719
<v Speaker 2>am like obsessive, compulsive, constantly looking at research being done

1006
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 2>about them. I'm some kind of like I'm like a

1007
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.960
<v Speaker 2>qual stand that's really quiet. It's kind of creepy. I mean,

1008
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't anyway, they really are not doing well and

1009
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.159
<v Speaker 2>they are really tightly linked in terms of their population

1010
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 2>numbers and density to rainfall and climatic change, and they

1011
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.840
<v Speaker 2>really do fluctuate quite a lot, and so they're not

1012
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 2>doing so well. If we're talking about eastern coals, their

1013
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 2>numbers are low, as are though as they've been in

1014
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.639
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and thirty years. And you know, spottail quols

1015
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 2>aren't doing any better, and devils are low, but also

1016
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>for a different reason, but for you know, more the

1017
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 2>facial tumor kind of side of things. They're not doing

1018
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 2>well in terms of climate change. None of Tazzy is Tassy's.

1019
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Really it's a very special landscape, but it's changing a lot.

1020
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 2>It needs wet winters and it needs you know, drier,

1021
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.320
<v Speaker 2>hot summers, and we're just not getting that. Everything's kind

1022
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 2>of flipped around often a word that people don't like

1023
00:52:57.920 --> 00:52:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to use in science, but they should be using more.

1024
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.159
<v Speaker 2>The country is sick, like Tasmania especially is sick. The

1025
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 2>land is sick, and it's really heartbreaking to see it

1026
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of degrade and degrade more and more over time. Yeah,

1027
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I think if we don't do something quick about climate change,

1028
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.039
<v Speaker 2>we're going to lose these these these animals like so

1029
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 2>devils and eastern quolls are only found in Tazzi Tasmania

1030
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.800
<v Speaker 2>became a refuge and now their last refuge isn't protecting

1031
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>them anymore. So we really failed these animals and we

1032
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.840
<v Speaker 2>know so little about them, like it be deficented to

1033
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 2>lose them just because of you know how iconical they are.

1034
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>But we just know so little about them. How can

1035
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 2>we lose them? Yeah, and what a loss of the world.

1036
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Huge kind of group of animals that you know, just

1037
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 2>deserve so much more attention and funding thrown their way, which.

1038
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Is why we donated to UTAZ and their efforts. So

1039
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 1>please save these little tasties. Okay, maybe one more question

1040
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.679
<v Speaker 1>from patrons. Casey Handmer himself in Australia says that he

1041
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 1>is not qualified.

1042
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Those are quite quality questions.

1043
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one more question, Okay, one more question. Kathleen Jones

1044
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.599
<v Speaker 1>says that they googled calls and immediately yelled fuck off

1045
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 1>at like computer at the top of my lungs. I

1046
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.719
<v Speaker 1>want to kiss them but also nibble gently on their ears,

1047
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:20.920
<v Speaker 1>but also become a marsupial and force them to live

1048
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 1>in my pouch. So can I feed them the best snacks?

1049
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Is that common? If you work on a call? Do

1050
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>they like you? No, they don't you don't want to

1051
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.679
<v Speaker 1>feed them because they'll bite your face off. Kathleen Jones.

1052
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.079
<v Speaker 2>But so here's a really interesting thing. So cats, domestic

1053
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>cats are really bad ecologically, like they kill a lot

1054
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of burrs, they kill a lot of native rodents and stuff.

1055
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So Mena Jones, who is my goddamn idol. If anyone

1056
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>wants to look at Tazzie Devil research, you just go

1057
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to Google Schollar, type her name in and you'll be

1058
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:52.880
<v Speaker 2>in Devil and Core research for hours. She's incredible and

1059
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:56.960
<v Speaker 2>also my supervisor, and so anyway, she's great. One of

1060
00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>the reason I want to work with her. She is

1061
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 2>really she's really passionate about out making cats illegal in

1062
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Tazzi and swapping that over with dazzy urups and so

1063
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.239
<v Speaker 2>that you know, we call quolls our native cats, the

1064
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 2>natural kind of thing would to be to bring quolls

1065
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:15.480
<v Speaker 2>into that equation and take cats out. But let me

1066
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.960
<v Speaker 2>tell you, Okay, so I would say I am for

1067
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 2>that because I don't like cats in our landscape. They

1068
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 2>are really like quite disastrous. But you know, I've raised

1069
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 2>qualls before and they are great, Like when you have

1070
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>them as for women, they're babies, and you know, if

1071
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you're with them every day. They do love on you,

1072
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:35.239
<v Speaker 2>and you can feed them. They love crickets. Their favorite

1073
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.280
<v Speaker 2>food is crickets or like a little bit of peanut butter.

1074
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 2>They used to eat me and my dog's food and stuff.

1075
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, if you go away for even

1076
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 2>like a day and you come back, they're like, who

1077
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the hell are you? And they try and kill you,

1078
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 2>and then it's another like three weeks of them being

1079
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.320
<v Speaker 2>like you have to be there all the time. They've

1080
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 2>got good hearts, but they have really bad memory. You

1081
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:56.920
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't leave them alone.

1082
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 1>So qualls pretty much like I care with polkadots, but

1083
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:05.159
<v Speaker 1>also we'll treat you like a stranger and chew your

1084
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 1>face off. So maybe we don't swap kitties for qualls.

1085
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I would almost be like more inclined to be like

1086
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 2>devil's are the way to go, if you if you know,

1087
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.360
<v Speaker 2>if if we wanted to go on that path of

1088
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.760
<v Speaker 2>like getting rid of cats and putting in a native replacer.

1089
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Quills are incredible animals. I'm not saying go out there

1090
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and get one and put it in your home. You'll

1091
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:26.039
<v Speaker 2>want you'll probably lose a hand. But if we're talking

1092
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.840
<v Speaker 2>about what's best for Tasi and what's best for Australia

1093
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.599
<v Speaker 2>and just not have any more cats and to have

1094
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:35.519
<v Speaker 2>more native animals around. And devils are a lot more

1095
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:38.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, generally they're quite a lot more happy to

1096
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:42.559
<v Speaker 2>be around humans than quolls are. They're not happy to

1097
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 2>be around humans, but they do it more than then

1098
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 2>quolls do.

1099
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, is it legal to keep a Tasmanian devil?

1100
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.360
<v Speaker 2>No, So, like cares, you can get like a wildlife

1101
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>care a permit and then if like a devil, an

1102
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.039
<v Speaker 2>imp comes in. That's what the baby devils are called imps.

1103
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.519
<v Speaker 2>If an in comes in, you can raise it. But

1104
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 2>it's quite a specialized thing. And like they're quite hard

1105
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 2>to raise, and the quotes that I've raised it, it's

1106
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:09.400
<v Speaker 2>hard work. Man. You've got to have a lot of

1107
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>space and you've got to have a lot of time

1108
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:12.760
<v Speaker 2>and do nothing else. Before I moved to Oxford, we

1109
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 2>used to raise kangaroos and stuff, and our last kangaroo, Kara,

1110
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.239
<v Speaker 2>which is great. I would carry around in a pouch

1111
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>around the streets and stuff because she didn't like being alone.

1112
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 2>But you know, when she want a milk, she'd just

1113
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.679
<v Speaker 2>like rock her pouch on the door and just make

1114
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of noise and be real grumpy, or like,

1115
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 2>if I want to talk about things that make devil noises,

1116
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:33.039
<v Speaker 2>look up what a kangaroo sounds like? Like an easing

1117
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:33.800
<v Speaker 2>gray kangaroo.

1118
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Poh boy, here we go. This is from a YouTube

1119
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>video called Kangaroo Sounds and Pictures for Teaching. And I

1120
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:43.920
<v Speaker 1>just want you to know. I looked and the top

1121
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:48.639
<v Speaker 1>upvoted comment reads, sounds like me getting up from bed.

1122
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Because they sound like the devil, so like it sounds nice,

1123
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 2>like having it sounds like dreamy, like oh wow, you

1124
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 2>raise the kangaroo, you raise quolls. It's hard. It's hard,

1125
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't sleep day is weeks like it's and it's

1126
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.159
<v Speaker 2>rewarding because they get to go back out where they belong.

1127
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.480
<v Speaker 2>But like you know, that's also quite hard to say goodbye.

1128
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Is like you spend so much time in but it's

1129
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.159
<v Speaker 2>good because you're doing good for the environment. It's a

1130
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:13.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of blood, sweat and tears. And you know they

1131
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 2>don't really like you. They're not really gonna come cuddle you.

1132
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.519
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna like look at you, like when are you

1133
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>gonna feed me? Crickets bru like Jesus.

1134
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:27.039
<v Speaker 1>And wherever you are out there, before you start painting

1135
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a Tasmanian fern forest in your devil nursery, we're dreaming

1136
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 1>up in Instagram handle for your soon to be famous

1137
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>wild pet influencer. Maybe just like don't I mean, I

1138
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>get it. I would love a housewambad, but I gotta

1139
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:41.159
<v Speaker 1>shatter your dreams here.

1140
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be for like exporting devils across the world

1141
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:47.400
<v Speaker 2>as pets, but I think locally, if we could, you know,

1142
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.119
<v Speaker 2>boost numbers in that way, it would be it'll be

1143
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 2>interesting to see what happens.

1144
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is I mean, I'm gonna stick with a dog.

1145
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.039
<v Speaker 1>It's just literally so easy.

1146
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Like that's fine, Yeah, I feel yeah yeah.

1147
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.360
<v Speaker 1>As I as I record this, my dog is asleep

1148
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:08.920
<v Speaker 1>on her back, spread eagle on her back. She's about

1149
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the size of a of a quat. There are maltese.

1150
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Actually, she's like, oh, my dog's are maltese. He's sitting

1151
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.760
<v Speaker 2>on my lap. He's a he's a very smoothie little boy.

1152
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 2>He's looking at me like, what are you doing? Why

1153
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 2>are you making so much noise? It's nine o'clock. He's

1154
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a very grumpy boy.

1155
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I think I'll stick to dogs, and Okay,

1156
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the worst thing about what you do then it sucks

1157
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the most about being a wait as a urologist, thank you.

1158
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Now you go. You got to say it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

1159
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the worst thing is that I haven't been

1160
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.159
<v Speaker 2>able to actually do field because I've been working in Oxford.

1161
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I've been like working with a really cool team, like

1162
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 2>working with a really cool tech to try and bring

1163
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:56.039
<v Speaker 2>that over here, but also like learn more statsy stuff

1164
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to bring that back to Tazzy as well with some

1165
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 2>really really cool team in Oxford. So the worst part

1166
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Speaker 2>has been for the last couple years I haven't been

1167
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:04.239
<v Speaker 2>able to do any field work or like see a

1168
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:06.760
<v Speaker 2>devil because I've been in Oxford and that my work

1169
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:08.760
<v Speaker 2>is now quite death space, which is not what I

1170
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.719
<v Speaker 2>got into ecology for, but that would change. But also

1171
01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I think the worst part is that, like the worst

1172
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.440
<v Speaker 2>part genuinely that that's like the worst part for meself.

1173
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Put it, I haven't been able to get out there

1174
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:20.559
<v Speaker 2>and see them. But the worst part is seeing them

1175
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 2>with the cancers. So if the cancers so far along

1176
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.119
<v Speaker 2>that they're starving to death, we put them down, and

1177
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:29.559
<v Speaker 2>that is just the saddest thing. And like even like

1178
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:33.159
<v Speaker 2>so for example, if a mum's teets are enlarged, we

1179
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.320
<v Speaker 2>will send her back even if her tumor's so bad,

1180
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:39.559
<v Speaker 2>because we can't let her pups die. Yeah, so it's

1181
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.400
<v Speaker 2>an equal tie between putting them down or letting them

1182
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.440
<v Speaker 2>back out if you know what their fate's going to be.

1183
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:49.440
<v Speaker 2>That is truly, truly heartbreaking, and it never gets easier.

1184
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just, oh my gosh, I'm thinking about it

1185
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.400
<v Speaker 2>noways you want to cry because it's just like these

1186
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:58.679
<v Speaker 2>pure gentle babies that just you know, through no fault

1187
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of their own, have this horrible in visible cancer. Also,

1188
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 2>it's quite horrible. It smells bad, you know. You can

1189
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.039
<v Speaker 2>you can tell when you have a devil with a

1190
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.039
<v Speaker 2>fatal tumor when you get if you walk up to

1191
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:13.840
<v Speaker 2>a trap, because it just smells like really pussy and ganky.

1192
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that words, but yeah, anyway, that's the worst.

1193
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:21.679
<v Speaker 1>That's my new word, yanky wanky fact for.

1194
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, amazing, Oh my god. But yeah, that's

1195
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:29.960
<v Speaker 2>the hardest part.

1196
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh and then what about the best, What about just

1197
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the thing that you love the most about your job?

1198
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 2>I think seeing them like after you have processed them,

1199
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:40.840
<v Speaker 2>so after you have them on your lap and you're

1200
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:42.679
<v Speaker 2>doing what you need to do with the qual the

1201
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.519
<v Speaker 2>devil seeing them run back to the bush. I remember

1202
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the first time I ever saw someone like release the devil.

1203
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 2>She said, she's an incredible researcher. She said, go forth

1204
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and prosper, And this little devil just like looked at

1205
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:56.559
<v Speaker 2>her and then jumped into the bush. And I was like,

1206
01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:59.280
<v Speaker 2>what this devil does exactly what we're talking about. He's

1207
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna go and have a friend and mate. Now, I

1208
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.119
<v Speaker 2>guarantee you this devil is like on a mission.

1209
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Now.

1210
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.159
<v Speaker 2>It's very inspiring. They just leap and they they just

1211
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and they just are gone in a second. And that's

1212
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of the most incredible part is like being able

1213
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:15.639
<v Speaker 2>to be with them for this like short amount of time.

1214
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:17.679
<v Speaker 2>It's such a privilege and an honor to be able

1215
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.480
<v Speaker 2>to like be in their presence. It's almost like it's

1216
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.679
<v Speaker 2>like it's like it's so awe inspiring sitting with these animals.

1217
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.719
<v Speaker 2>And then every individual one is so important, like every

1218
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.679
<v Speaker 2>single piece of data is so important for the future

1219
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:34.239
<v Speaker 2>of these devils and quolls. So you know, that's kind

1220
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:36.800
<v Speaker 2>of the best part. And then also just like like

1221
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.199
<v Speaker 2>just a lot of my job is out like sitting,

1222
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, I go do work that in the afternover,

1223
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.840
<v Speaker 2>sit on you know, in the bush and drink a

1224
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:48.880
<v Speaker 2>beer and just listen to devils screaming around me. Like

1225
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:54.599
<v Speaker 2>you can't not be so happy in those moments, Like

1226
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.360
<v Speaker 2>it's really hard to be sad when you have that's

1227
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:58.880
<v Speaker 2>your life.

1228
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's like the ultimate expression of like I

1229
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:05.480
<v Speaker 1>hate to see you leave, but I love to see

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<v Speaker 1>you go because they do have those bubble butts and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just what a joy to watch and walk away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, WHOA, take your cute little butt out

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<v Speaker 2>of here. Yeah yeah, Oh my gosh. Incredible. Anyway, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much. It has been so nice, a great

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<v Speaker 2>start to my Wednesday morning. I feel so.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy, my God and my Tuesday afternoon. So ask smart,

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<v Speaker 1>hilarious people, really ridiculous questions about animals you may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not have thought really exist, because the facts are

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<v Speaker 1>Transcripts as well as bleeped episodes for smallogites are up

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<v Speaker 1>at aliwar dot com, slash Ologies Dash Extras. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb Patton for bleeping. Thank you Noel Dilworth for managing

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<v Speaker 1>and of course to the Spots on Our Walls. Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Morris, who stitches all the pieces together each week

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<v Speaker 1>and also hosts his own podcast, The per Cast and

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<v Speaker 1>been a better time to check out his podcast, se

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<v Speaker 1>Jurassic Right, because he's launching a back to school series.

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<v Speaker 1>It starts on September seventh, and it features interviews with

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<v Speaker 1>awesome topics. So if you like ologies, find see Jurassic

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<v Speaker 1>Right and subscribe asap to hear the trailer for Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>Ray morris is back to school series starting September seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Sjr. With SRM.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also Nick Thorburn wrote in perform theme music and if

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to the end of the show each week,

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<v Speaker 1>you are rewarded with some sort of tidbit, some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of secret. This week here's a live hack, you know how.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you'll buy cucumbers, but you never end up eating

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<v Speaker 1>them because you're like, I gotta cut them up and stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what I do. I just buy cucumbers and then

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<v Speaker 1>I put the whole thing in the freezer, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you can lop it in half. Put that thing in

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<v Speaker 1>a smoothie. Cucumbers and smoothies, they're great. Put them in

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<v Speaker 1>there with some frozen berries, maybe a packet of like

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<v Speaker 1>emergency done. I also like to throw in some green

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<v Speaker 1>tea for flavor. There you go. Now you have a smoothie. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>if you freeze a cucumber, you can slice it up

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<v Speaker 1>and put it in your water like ice cubes. And

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<v Speaker 1>then look who's drink and spaw water out of an

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<v Speaker 1>old Del Taco cup?

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<v Speaker 2>You or me?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm talking about anyway. I hope you enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>Put a bow in your hair, Google a quacka scream

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<v Speaker 1>sing under your porch. It's a big, beautiful world out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and be nice to each other. Okay until next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Burbuie pack adermatology, bombology, r doo zoology, lithology, technology, meteorology, attology, ethnology, zereology, elinology.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch that the team as the insect Vicki's Keep Nighting

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