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Speaker 1: you so much for them. Okay, dazirology theologists themselves will
Speaker 1: get to the etymology of this ology. Be forewarned pleasantly
Speaker 1: it involves backsides. Also, the entire reason that this episode
Speaker 1: exists is because I was just bebopping around Twitter dot
Speaker 1: com and I happened upon this person's bio and saw
Speaker 1: an ology I had never seen before, reached out immediately
Speaker 1: and it was on. So they got their Bachelor of
Speaker 1: Science in ecology at Griffith University and has been a
Speaker 1: park ranger in Tasmania. Is currently getting their d phil
Speaker 1: at Oxford University, which apparently is the same as a PhD,
Speaker 1: but Oxford likes to spice it up a bit, and
Speaker 1: they've been a long time lover of carnivores. They have
Speaker 1: a particular affection for the doziurids like qualls, which you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. That's okay, we go
Speaker 1: into it, and dazzi Urid is also the endangered Tesmian devil.
Speaker 1: Also instantly this person has the best laugh in the universe.
Speaker 1: So they hopped on the horn as I clumsily fumbled
Speaker 1: my mic getting set up, and we just dove into
Speaker 1: a shimmering sea of facts about their Tasmanian roots and
Speaker 1: marsupial nipples. Beers. You shouldn't drink cookies. You should drink
Speaker 1: the most Australian way to have an afternoon. What Tasmanian
Speaker 1: devils smell like from both ends? Looney tunes, flim flammery,
Speaker 1: The disease threatening Tasmanian devils, Why they're called devils, what
Speaker 1: you can do to help them, and how indigenous knowledge
Speaker 1: is critical to Australian ecology. All this and more with
Speaker 1: Kwal Talker and Tasmanian devil angel dazzirologist m Dale.
Speaker 2: Hi, Allie, Hi, how are you? Can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: I can't. It's so good to hear your voice. It's
Speaker 2: so good to hear your voice.
Speaker 1: Is crazy, I'm like so be I'm thrilled. I cannot
Speaker 1: believe that there's an ologist who studied these animals.
Speaker 2: What time is it where you're right now? You're on
Speaker 2: the East Coast. No, you're in Oxford. No, I'm in Australia.
Speaker 2: It's a am Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did I not say that they have the best laugh?
Speaker 1: They have the best laugh.
Speaker 2: I was like trying to think of that. Are you
Speaker 2: in Tasmania? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I had kind of an
Speaker 2: evacuation moment during the pandemic, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so how long are you back? How long are
Speaker 1: you back?
Speaker 2: Man? I don't know. I mean it depends. Oxford was
Speaker 2: kind of like go home and don't come back. So
Speaker 2: I don't know. I might not ever go back. I
Speaker 2: mean I might, I will go back, but I mean
Speaker 2: I'm not counting on it.
Speaker 1: You know, so for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: Your home, yeah, which is really nice. Actually, it's really good.
Speaker 2: Especially I think it's like Tasmania is a lot to
Speaker 2: change right now, especially in the current political climate, and
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to be a part of that.
Speaker 1: When I clicked on your bio, yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, a what ologist? I just was like that,
Speaker 1: that's like the first thing of course that honed in
Speaker 1: on if someone has ologists in their bio. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have something. You'll be followed and I will be treating.
Speaker 1: And I looked it up and I was like fuck,
Speaker 1: Tasmanian devils and quaals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and things called fasca gales and Antikitus is like,
Speaker 2: DA's a yurid, like the most gnihliest animals. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you they're so cool.
Speaker 1: Just in researching like basic Google search of like what
Speaker 1: kind of animals is and it's just this like thing
Speaker 1: that looks like like a cute little guinea pig feasting
Speaker 1: on rama And I'm like, what is happening? Can you
Speaker 1: give me just a very rough description of what Tasmania
Speaker 1: is like for people who literally probably think that it's
Speaker 1: a fictional place.
Speaker 2: Well, it's so I'm gonna maybe do some code switching
Speaker 2: here in terms of like referring to Tasmania. So the paalawakani,
Speaker 2: which is Tasmanian aboriginal speak if word for Tasmania is
Speaker 2: literal wheata. And you know, part of part of me
Speaker 2: being a non indigenous Tasmanian is that I feel a
Speaker 2: great responsibility to, you know, acknowledge the people who own
Speaker 2: this land that I stand on that stolen land. So
Speaker 2: I'm in Nippaluna, which is Hobart, and Tasmania is an
Speaker 2: incredible place. It's like the beauty here is amazing. So
Speaker 2: if you think about, like we have these these plants
Speaker 2: called pandani plants. When I say pandana, you might think
Speaker 2: of like pandana's on a beach. But these things grow
Speaker 2: up in like moorlands, up on high mountains, and they're massive.
Speaker 2: They're like four meters high, and they've all got this
Speaker 2: big shaggy coat, like a big winter coat, and they're
Speaker 2: the largest heath plant in the world. We've got these
Speaker 2: massive like gum trees that are like pyromaniacs that like
Speaker 2: drop their leaves and drop their bark and they're the
Speaker 2: tallest flowering plants in the world. And then we have
Speaker 2: like incredible alpine tarans that are like have been formed
Speaker 2: through rocks, cutting through glaciers and like magma and stuff.
Speaker 2: And like it's a very awe inspiring landscape. Like you
Speaker 2: come to Tasmania, you fly or you you know, to
Speaker 2: take a boat in and the minute you get here,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, your world changes. I never found
Speaker 2: a place like Tasmania. I've traveled quite a lot. I
Speaker 2: think a lot of Tasmanian's kind of like especially Qui
Speaker 2: Tasmanians end up leaving. It can be such a scary
Speaker 2: landscape to grow up in, but like it draws you back.
Speaker 1: Okay. If you're like, I don't even know where Tasmania is,
Speaker 1: that's okay. We're not going to tell anyone. So Tasmania
Speaker 1: is like heart shaped island. It's one of Australia's states.
Speaker 1: It's off of the southeast coast, kind of like where
Speaker 1: America's Florida would be. It's off the coast of Melbourne.
Speaker 1: It's about the size of Ireland or West Virginia. It's
Speaker 1: got a population of about a half million people. And
Speaker 1: to the east of Tasmania is the larger patch of
Speaker 1: earth that we call New Zealand. Now. Because Tasmania is
Speaker 1: more souther than the rest of Australia, it is thus
Speaker 1: closer to the South Pole, so it's a little cooler
Speaker 1: than mainland Australia. It has all four seasons, which is
Speaker 1: more than I can say for Los Angeles. It's got ferny, mossy,
Speaker 1: cool rainforests and mountains and bays and beaches. It's gorgeous. Boy,
Speaker 1: did em mention that queer Tasmanians leave. Let's get into that.
Speaker 2: Tazi is a really weird place. When I was growing
Speaker 2: up here, I just really didn't see there was no
Speaker 2: one openly queer. It was really like it was a
Speaker 2: every anti gay landscape, anti queer landscape. Last year for
Speaker 2: Pride Month, we had a lovely guy called Alex Bond
Speaker 2: come and talk to us who works here at the
Speaker 2: University of Tasmania part time. And I didn't realize he
Speaker 2: actually worked in Tazzi and we were in Oxford, and
Speaker 2: when he started talking about Tasmania, I just burst into tears.
Speaker 2: I've never I've never seen a queer scientist. I've never
Speaker 2: heard of a queer scientist from here. It was like
Speaker 2: it was a very isolating place for a long time.
Speaker 2: I was like my you know, I you know, I
Speaker 2: was really super closet and I went through lots of
Speaker 2: conversion therapy at my school and like that's just tazzy.
Speaker 2: But it's super excited to be back here and like
Speaker 2: see things changing, Like it's a very backwards place. I mean,
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm not I don't want to bash
Speaker 2: Tazzi too much. Like I love this place.
Speaker 1: So it's a beautiful place and it's and yeah it's
Speaker 1: people like you who who speak up and make it
Speaker 1: even better.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I hope. So it's just I feel like
Speaker 2: I want to be I want to be that kind
Speaker 2: of role model for other queer people because it was
Speaker 2: just so isolating to grow up here being queer, and
Speaker 2: just like it wasn't an option to be out like
Speaker 2: if you were you know, I think I remember I
Speaker 2: told my mum when I was like seven or eight,
Speaker 2: and like, bless her bless her heart. She just didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, She was like, you just need to keep
Speaker 2: that quiet, just like it was just that's just how
Speaker 2: things are, you know. Yeah, but not anymore. I won't
Speaker 2: let another generation of Tasmanians go through that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: like that's what happened again.
Speaker 1: Don't Mimi just legit crying? But also Tasmania, let's continue
Speaker 1: to look at it's good.
Speaker 2: I could drive for like half an hour and then
Speaker 2: be in the middle of nowhere and wouldn't see a
Speaker 2: soul for weeks. Like and twenty percent of the state
Speaker 2: is a massive national part which is an incredible World
Speaker 2: Heritage site which will be preserved hopefully forever. We have
Speaker 2: really incredible like endangered grasslands, like if you want anything,
Speaker 2: you come here, you'll find it. We have like these
Speaker 2: massive things called cave spiders that live for eighty years
Speaker 2: and they have sex for twenty four hours at a time,
Speaker 2: and they're incredible. Like in, this place has so much
Speaker 2: to offer, and the history here is so rich in
Speaker 2: terms of indig and First Nation people. I feel quite privilege.
Speaker 2: I've worked in the Parks and Wildlife Service for a
Speaker 2: while and I've been able to kind of engage with
Speaker 2: that a little bit as a non Indigenous person. It's
Speaker 2: just a great privilege being a Tasmanian.
Speaker 1: I've never been.
Speaker 2: You have to go. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: I've never been to Australia even yeah, I've never been
Speaker 1: to New Zealand. I've never been down there, so I
Speaker 1: know I got it to go do stow away on
Speaker 1: a freighter ship. It's just if I know who's done.
Speaker 2: That, it'll be easy enough.
Speaker 1: I hear the coffee Dananda is amazing too. Also, my
Speaker 1: accent is impeccable.
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: And y'all the critters. Yeah, and now Tasmanian Devils. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have heard about them via Looney Tunes for years
Speaker 1: and years and years. And one question I got on Patreon,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to Patreon questions in a bit, but
Speaker 1: was like, are they real? Like a lot of people
Speaker 1: are not aware that they're actual animals. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: what one is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tas many devils are real. They're real, and
Speaker 2: they're just very sweet little things. So in the liny,
Speaker 2: this is my favorite thing to like, my favorite question
Speaker 2: to answer about them, because you know, in the new Tunes,
Speaker 2: Taz is like this crazy kind of tornado like animal
Speaker 2: that kind of like rips up things in his path
Speaker 2: and he's kind of quite like, you know, quite aggressive.
Speaker 2: But when you catch a devil in a trap, they
Speaker 2: are just the most smoothie little babies. They just sit
Speaker 2: on your lap and they just let you do whatever
Speaker 2: you want. They'll like you can put your finger in
Speaker 2: their mouths to take and you take a biopsy of
Speaker 2: their tumors, you can take blood from their ears, you
Speaker 2: can give them a little pat and they're just so calm,
Speaker 2: just I mean, and a part of that is shock,
Speaker 2: I guess. But when I first worked with them, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, well, we're gonna have to wear like
Speaker 2: massive gloves and stuff. And the person who was teaching
Speaker 2: me was like, no, no, no, they're really chill and just
Speaker 2: dumped one on my lap. I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: How big are we talking cat dog bread basket.
Speaker 2: They're kind of like the side of a malties like that,
Speaker 2: kind of like kind of like small dog kind of size.
Speaker 2: Like they're not big, they're just they're all buffy. They've
Speaker 2: got massive like buffy heads.
Speaker 3: Boofy buffy adjective Australian informal volumino is all puffed out
Speaker 3: regarding the hair or sleeves. Also means muscular and strong
Speaker 3: but stupid, like.
Speaker 2: Chunky chunky boys. So dazzy urid is like the family
Speaker 2: that they're in with quoals and anticinnises and fasca, gales,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And it means hairy tails that they have
Speaker 2: those really these really hairy tails. But devils specifically store
Speaker 2: fat in the base of their tails that they have
Speaker 2: these little like these a little bit quite big bums.
Speaker 2: Extraordin are really sweet to like, you know, you feel
Speaker 2: how healthy a devil is, Like some animals, like a sheep,
Speaker 2: you might feel like, you know, back behind it's like
Speaker 2: in front of its hip bone, see how much fat
Speaker 2: it has. For devil, you squeeze a little bum and
Speaker 2: you see how healthy they are. I think it's quite.
Speaker 1: Sweet, but my god, your fieldwork is like a dog.
Speaker 2: My gosh, it is. That's crazy. But they get there
Speaker 2: like they get their bad rap or their like their
Speaker 2: name devil from when invaders first came to Lotua, Tasmania,
Speaker 2: and they have this. You have to cut to a
Speaker 2: noise of a Tasmanian devil because it is otherworldly. And
Speaker 2: you know, I have at our farmhouse, we have devil's
Speaker 2: under our porch. And when when you know, when they're
Speaker 2: feeling particularly vocal and want to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of a sing, like it's like the devil has literally
Speaker 2: risen from hell and is about to eat your soul.
Speaker 2: They have a really horrible voice.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to hear one having a bit of
Speaker 1: a sing? I am? It's like a car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually it is. It kind of does sound a
Speaker 2: bit like that, or like a cat and pain. It's
Speaker 2: specifically karaoke, maybe just anybody karaoke. I don't mean to
Speaker 2: hate carriage. But they also have like if you look
Speaker 2: at a picture, then they've got little like pointy years
Speaker 2: and so they look a bit a bit, a bit gnarly,
Speaker 2: you know, but and their ears are quite thin. That
Speaker 2: skin's quite thin. And when they get excited, the blood
Speaker 2: or rushes to their ears. Makes it makes it they
Speaker 2: have little glowing red horns basically, so, oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when invaders came, you know, for the first time, you know,
Speaker 2: in their eighteen hundred so they heard this noise and
Speaker 2: they on a light and they saw this you know,
Speaker 2: pointy thing, and they genuinely thought it was a devil.
Speaker 2: And then imagine their surprise when like a little tiny
Speaker 2: thing came, you know, wobbling out of the bush sat
Speaker 2: of Malteesse. It came of licked their legs or something.
Speaker 1: Like did you grow up? I mean, you grew up
Speaker 1: maybe seeing them under the portraits. So when did you decide, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to dedicate my life to science and studying
Speaker 1: these little critters.
Speaker 2: I was really lucky that I had. I was raised
Speaker 2: by my granddad who or my grandad and my mom,
Speaker 2: and my granddad was an ecologist. He was a botanist,
Speaker 2: and he always really encouraged me to like follow what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, and he was you know, he
Speaker 2: would take me out to Seward's treatment plants and things
Speaker 2: to look at, like you know, plants and stuff and iver. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love plants and they're really cool, really and a
Speaker 2: really important thing. And I like looking at them and
Speaker 2: I enjoy their presence around me, But that was never
Speaker 2: my thing. But I remember seeing like devils, and you know,
Speaker 2: devils are a pretty iconic animal. They have been since
Speaker 2: I've been alive, and it kind of the whole like
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you in that in the dazzer urids,
Speaker 2: like there's so much cool stuff going on, and like
Speaker 2: so little is known about them because quite elusive, and
Speaker 2: until the facial humor kind of came around with the devils,
Speaker 2: there wasn't much research being like happening on them. It
Speaker 2: was like a very kind of all very neglected in
Speaker 2: terms of like you know, in comparison to other, you know,
Speaker 2: other animals, like say that you know, the counterpart in
Speaker 2: the UK might be a badger or something. You know,
Speaker 2: there's quite a lot of research focused on you know,
Speaker 2: those kind of animals, whereas our little carnivores get kind
Speaker 2: of neglected down here. So but there and they're so special,
Speaker 2: and seeing a devil in the wild, like it never
Speaker 2: gets old, Like it's.
Speaker 1: Just oh, I couldn't I couldn't take it. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: be so upset.
Speaker 2: Like it's always like it's fund seeing ones that you've
Speaker 2: caught before every moment is joyous in a way. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I guess that is kind of what attracted me.
Speaker 2: Is it this like there's not much we've just be
Speaker 2: done on them. They're really interesting, like all all of
Speaker 2: the species, all of the all of the families.
Speaker 1: There, so Tasmanian devils, marsupials.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they mastupers have a pouch which is called a marsupium.
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's just a random wanky fact for you.
Speaker 2: You have a section called wanky Facts.
Speaker 1: You need your own podcast called M's Wanky.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that would go down so well. Start.
Speaker 1: Okay, So M's Wanky Fact Number one is marsupial pouches
Speaker 1: are called marsupiums, and Taskmedian devils have them. But let's
Speaker 1: talk teats.
Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite facts about devils and quolls.
Speaker 2: I think also like the smaller dasi yurds too. But
Speaker 2: so they only have four teets. So when they're born,
Speaker 2: they got to the strue. For all marsupials, all things
Speaker 2: that have pouches, they're born through the vaginal canal and
Speaker 2: they've got to climb a little way up to the pouch.
Speaker 2: Devils have four teats. Quolls have sixteeths, but they give
Speaker 2: birth to forty babies, So fourteen sixty babies have to
Speaker 2: crawl from the vaginal canal out to the find the
Speaker 2: way to the pouch and get onto a teat. And
Speaker 2: only the four in these that have all six in
Speaker 2: the case of the quoll, survived. Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2: And then the mom eats the rest of them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, that is ruthless.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Imagine eating your own baby, playing a
Speaker 2: lot of them all the time, lot.
Speaker 1: Like gummy bear, yeah, well, and little ticksack size yeah,
Speaker 1: oh god, like popcorn shrimp. That's like, if we had
Speaker 1: a bunch of babies the size of popcorn shrimp.
Speaker 3: It will be.
Speaker 2: And then the ones that made your way to the
Speaker 2: breasts and the strongest one and the rest of you, well,
Speaker 2: you're too weak. And that's why maybe when they're adults
Speaker 2: they're quite chill, because they got all their kind of
Speaker 2: really aggressiveness out of the way when they were just
Speaker 2: immediately born, like elbowing their siblings out of them to
Speaker 2: get to the teat.
Speaker 1: How are the ones that find the tea, the Chosen four?
Speaker 1: How are they not total assholes like you think you
Speaker 1: would have? You know, you think like only the assholes ride.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean it would be it's definitely. It's probably
Speaker 2: a combination of like what time were you born? And
Speaker 2: also like are you directionally challenged? Because if they walk,
Speaker 2: you know, the opposite way, they're gonna end up, you know,
Speaker 2: on the floor. It's just luck. I think it's just
Speaker 2: complete luck. Like I don't really I'm sure people really
Speaker 2: understand who wins because they don't get to you can't
Speaker 2: get to the other ones in time because the mum's
Speaker 2: already you know, had a bit of a you know,
Speaker 2: a lick and eating them all. So but yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean they probably are assholes. Like if you had, if
Speaker 2: you it's about a devil jelly bean on the floor
Speaker 2: and you try to raise it, maybe it would be
Speaker 2: the sweetest, kindest angel baby you've ever met.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you imagine you're just born? You
Speaker 1: take a wrong turn, you wind up at your mom's
Speaker 1: buttthole and she.
Speaker 2: Relatable. But yeah, I know it's so hard. It's such
Speaker 2: a hard life being like a devil or a quote
Speaker 2: like if you start off on the wrong foot, like
Speaker 2: your whole life is really hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all deserve book deals. Now they're carnivores, and
Speaker 1: so you think, like a mom, she's got a nursey thing,
Speaker 1: so she needs meat. Do they do? They go straight
Speaker 1: from the teat to eating like insects, worms, like what happened, So.
Speaker 2: It's it's different. So for devils, they'll be stuck on
Speaker 2: there for quite a long time with the teat like
Speaker 2: swills in their mouth, and they get stuck there for
Speaker 2: a while. They grow foh, and they open their eyes
Speaker 2: and they kind of ride around a mum's back for
Speaker 2: a bit and they still be suckling though at that point.
Speaker 2: But they should be trying them out on carrying like
Speaker 2: dead meat like scavenge meat. They're pretty much like obligate
Speaker 2: They mostly they obligate red meat eaters. They don't really
Speaker 2: kind of stoop down to the level of insects like
Speaker 2: a qual what coals mostly like, well like Eastern cooals
Speaker 2: eat prominently insects and stuff. But yeah, devils are not
Speaker 2: app hunters. They've got oh no, no, no, no, they can't.
Speaker 2: Basically a recent study was published about they put like
Speaker 2: cameras on devils to see what they do. And one
Speaker 2: devil tried to eat a wallabe and the wallaby got away,
Speaker 2: and then it just stood there, growling angrily, huffing and
Speaker 2: like getting upset with itself. Can you imagine that? Can
Speaker 2: you imagine? It's like if you go to the fridge
Speaker 2: there's like for the third time, there's nothing, there's something
Speaker 2: that you want to eat your stentd and you get
Speaker 2: really grumpy. It's kind of what the devil was doing.
Speaker 1: I okay. Side note if you're like me and you
Speaker 1: struggle to form mental pictures of southern hemispheric marsupials that
Speaker 1: frankly sound fictitious. A wallabee is about ten pounds and
Speaker 1: kangaroo looking. It's a little smaller than a Tasmanian devil,
Speaker 1: but they're macropods, which means that they have big feet,
Speaker 1: and apparently tazzies are like, fuck, I can't even eat
Speaker 1: this if it's still alive. Ps. What kind of leggies
Speaker 1: do Tasmanian devils have?
Speaker 2: So they've got like their back legs, they're kind of
Speaker 2: like a hyena in the way they walk. They've got
Speaker 2: like really long back legs. They kind of hobble so
Speaker 2: they can run pretty fast up at twenty five k's
Speaker 2: an hour, but they kind of they kind of wobble
Speaker 2: more than run in a way.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I look this up, and if a Tasmanian
Speaker 1: devil were chasing you to try to beat your ass,
Speaker 1: you'd need at least an electric scooter to get away.
Speaker 1: So GTK good to know.
Speaker 2: And they're really just like scavengers, so they'll eat. They
Speaker 2: eat a lot of roadkill. When the Tazi target the
Speaker 2: Pila scene was alive, they would have eaten the remains
Speaker 2: of their kills, but in their absence they mostly allow
Speaker 2: on roadkill. So it's pretty it's a pretty chill life
Speaker 2: for a devil baby, because your mum will just rock up.
Speaker 2: She'll just smell like a dead wallaby on the road,
Speaker 2: and you know, she'll kind of just pull it off
Speaker 2: the side and you'll all start eating together. It's quite
Speaker 2: a family affair in that way.
Speaker 1: Now, if if there is a marsupial that's been roadkill,
Speaker 1: I understand that you should try to check it to
Speaker 1: see if there's any bibus.
Speaker 2: And there, yeah, little babies, I should always that's a
Speaker 2: thing that where it's almost like a like a rite
Speaker 2: of Passage's an Australia. I think you you check the pouch.
Speaker 2: Often in the pouch the'll be a little pinky, which
Speaker 2: is like a really little baby jolly bean stuck to
Speaker 2: the teeth. It's hard to raise such small babies. It
Speaker 2: can be done with the right cares, but you know,
Speaker 2: in lots of cases they'll be like a Joey just sitting,
Speaker 2: you know, by its marmore in the bush. Yeah. But
Speaker 2: the other thing is because devils they are endangered, but
Speaker 2: from facial cancer, but also from roadkill. Like around four
Speaker 2: hundred devils die every year on the road because they
Speaker 2: scavenge off roadkill. And so it's really important that if anyone,
Speaker 2: if anyone, if anyone has many listening to this, drag
Speaker 2: the road kill off the road so devils don't get
Speaker 2: hit by cars accidentally.
Speaker 1: Okay, Tasmania, maybe keep some taco tanks in your trunk
Speaker 1: and just do a little good Samaritan carcass dragging from
Speaker 1: now and again. But stay safe, please. Now am has
Speaker 1: mentioned facial tumors a few times, and don't worry. We're
Speaker 1: going to get into what the hell is happening with
Speaker 1: these tassy tumors in a bit and Tasmanian devils are
Speaker 1: only in Tasmania, correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they used to be on the mainland of Australia,
Speaker 2: but they haven't been there for about four thousand and
Speaker 2: three thousand years. It's unknown why they're not there, but
Speaker 2: that kind of that time frame Cohen's husband, dingoes kind
Speaker 2: of made their way to Australia and dingoes are quite
Speaker 2: avid hunters. There was no land bridge it Tasmina at
Speaker 2: that time, so they would have been Yeah, they would
Speaker 2: have just kind of slowly gone extinct on the mainland. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And now what about qualls. Yeah, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I thought at first was a quaker, which is a
Speaker 1: different thing by the bay. So quakers are those blisteringly
Speaker 1: cute little critters who are related to wallabies, but they
Speaker 1: look like a mix between a hamster and Tom Hanks
Speaker 1: and as it turns out, are not flesh shredders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how it was like quaker is a credible that's horrifying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like an evil clown kind of away like sweet and
Speaker 1: cute and then just bloother. Oh god, but a quarker
Speaker 1: in a quall a different different So what is a quall?
Speaker 2: So a quoll is so there's a couple different types
Speaker 2: and tazzi. We have spotted tail quolls and eastern coals,
Speaker 2: and they are like they're just like devils, they're like,
Speaker 2: but they're they're actually psychotic. Like when you catch a
Speaker 2: quoll in a trap, you are lucky to walk away
Speaker 2: with your face still intact from that encounter. They're really
Speaker 2: quite they're quite like manic animals, and they're they're quite
Speaker 2: different to devils. They will actively hunt. Basically, they're like
Speaker 2: big cats. We call them native cats actually occasionally, and
Speaker 2: they're like big cats, big long tails and spots all
Speaker 2: over them. So the spotted tail quoal has like spots
Speaker 2: on their tails and the eastern coll has no spots
Speaker 2: on their tails. They kind of have like little mousey
Speaker 2: faces and like the tiniest little piece knows that you
Speaker 2: just want to boop, but you know if you boop,
Speaker 2: you won't ever you won't ever be able to speak again,
Speaker 2: So you just have to resist so much to not
Speaker 2: boop a little snoop.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So qualls have more of a temperament
Speaker 1: that we have thought was belonging to Tasmanian double.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's completely flipped. Like yeah, devils of
Speaker 2: the chill chill due didn'ts like and the kind of
Speaker 2: like really like aggressive cousins that just really don't want
Speaker 2: to be around you. Oh can you not please? It's
Speaker 2: really strange, but like, and these things are like spotted
Speaker 2: tail quols are quite big there, but they can they
Speaker 2: weigh about three to four kilos and they're not that big,
Speaker 2: like they're really quite light, but they can be kind
Speaker 2: of quite long, but they can hunt things that are like,
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen to eighteen kilos like I have. I
Speaker 2: remember once I was sitting by a river and I
Speaker 2: was just like watching a plant of course or something,
Speaker 2: and this spotted tail quoal just like jumped next to
Speaker 2: me and it had a possum in its mouth, the
Speaker 2: whole possum. And like, these things are that big, but
Speaker 2: they can bring down like massive prey and it's just
Speaker 2: incredible what they can do. Like they are I know,
Speaker 2: devil's are really kind of thought as the apex predator,
Speaker 2: but I would I would put my money on the
Speaker 2: fact that, you know, spotted tail qualls had with most
Speaker 2: of the legwork down here in terms of like actually
Speaker 2: actively hunting and killing things that.
Speaker 1: Story the only way that story could get more os
Speaker 1: was like if you were drinking a faster.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's such a blasphemous thing to say.
Speaker 2: Don't talk me about Foster's.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know. Sitting in
Speaker 1: a river watching a platypus and then a quaal harps
Speaker 1: by with a past Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so quas really, doesn't it. Yeah? Yeah yeah?
Speaker 1: And then a kangaroo time it punched me, and a
Speaker 1: crocodile like that. Conga, that's a good accent.
Speaker 2: That's quite impressive.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anything. That's amazing. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: need to figure out what kind of beers people drink
Speaker 1: down there, though, I have to. I'll research that.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like four x a lower end beer,
Speaker 2: I guess in terms of like price. But there's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, we have a lot of craft beer
Speaker 2: down here. It's quite impressive. Really. When I was, you know, honestly,
Speaker 2: when I was, like, you know, a teenager, there was
Speaker 2: like one bottle of that you could get like one
Speaker 2: type of beer from. And now there's like craft beers everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's very changed landscape. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: You have like artisanal VETERI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I got back this time and there was like,
Speaker 2: manuca honey, Tim Tams. I don't know, man, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hate on like growth, but I
Speaker 2: feel like that's a bit weird anyway.
Speaker 1: Ps if you ever want to seem like a tassy
Speaker 1: local order of Bogues if you're in the North, and
Speaker 1: a Cascade beer in the South, and Bonus Cascades have
Speaker 1: a Tasmanian tiger on the label, which is now extinct
Speaker 1: because of colonization, which is like a stage four bummer.
Speaker 1: Also side note, a Timtam slam is when you bite
Speaker 1: off diagonal corners of this chocolate cream filled wafer cookie
Speaker 1: and then you suck tea through it and then you
Speaker 1: jam the whole shebang in your shebang hall, which sounds
Speaker 1: perfect if you need to warm up with a thermos
Speaker 1: a tea while you work in the chill of a
Speaker 1: brisk July Southern hemisphere. Y'all, it's topsy turvy. And now
Speaker 1: what about field season? Like when is field season for you?
Speaker 1: When it's like mating season? And also let's talk about
Speaker 1: their little face tumors. Yeah, yeah, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that was the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I'm not doing fieldbug right now. My
Speaker 2: kind of work is desk base. I'm doing some like
Speaker 2: modeling of the facial tumor and stuff. But if you're
Speaker 2: talking about a life cycle of a devil, they're breeding, well,
Speaker 2: probably February to May more like it, and their vegetation
Speaker 2: is about I think it's like twenty one or it
Speaker 2: could be fifty one days. It's one of those. It's
Speaker 2: one of those numbers that end in one something twenty
Speaker 2: diffree teenty or fifty days. I don't know. It's very different.
Speaker 1: Numbers, but okay, I looked it up, and for twenty
Speaker 1: one days, they cook indoors before crawling out of her
Speaker 1: vagine and then dodging her late night munchies and beating
Speaker 1: dozens of siblings to make it to a teat And.
Speaker 2: Then they stay around with mum until about like summertime here,
Speaker 2: so that's like November December. So they stick around with
Speaker 2: mom for quite a long time really, while they're growing
Speaker 2: in their pouch obviously, and then they're kind of learning
Speaker 2: how to be a devil, and so by December they're
Speaker 2: all really trying to find their own homes so devils
Speaker 2: aren't territorial. They are solitary though, so they're not territorial
Speaker 2: in the way that you might think of like a
Speaker 2: lion being territorial, or like, I don't know, even a
Speaker 2: coal being territorial. They do use latrines. They'll like, they'll
Speaker 2: all poop in the same place, and they'll communicate by
Speaker 2: anal gland secretions. So they have little like a little dog,
Speaker 2: they have little anal glands on the side of their
Speaker 2: bum holes, and when they poop, they kind of secrete
Speaker 2: a substance that kind of communicates different olfactory cues to
Speaker 2: their mates around them. But they don't have like territorial
Speaker 2: territory boundaries, but they do like being kind of in
Speaker 2: their own space. So in December, little dudes will kind
Speaker 2: of start walking around trying to find their own homes,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of it's kind of not opportune. It's
Speaker 2: good for them because there's a lot of food around
Speaker 2: and easy food, and a lot of things are dying
Speaker 2: as well, like they're getting older and dying, so it's
Speaker 2: kind of easy prey. But there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: on the roads because someway everyone's going out to their
Speaker 2: shacks or to the beach or up to the bush.
Speaker 2: So we get a lot of devils dying on the roads,
Speaker 2: young devils, which is a shame because they haven't even
Speaker 2: got the chance to start breeding, and they haven't even
Speaker 2: got the chance to survive the facial tumor yet. So
Speaker 2: we use a lot of devils young devils every summer
Speaker 2: because they they move around dusk and dawn, and it's
Speaker 2: hard to see them because they're jet black basically, you know,
Speaker 2: lesser little white shop on their balm and a little
Speaker 2: white sharp on their chest, so it's really hard to
Speaker 2: see them. And if you're kind of doing one hundred
Speaker 2: ks an hour down the highway and little devil's feacing
Speaker 2: on a dead waller bey in the middle of the road,
Speaker 2: you're not going to you're not going to see end time.
Speaker 2: So there's like a big push for people to kind
Speaker 2: of really slow down dusk and dawn because it's unnecessary death.
Speaker 2: We can't really afford it at this point, you know,
Speaker 2: we lose semmi devil's too. Here's a segway to the
Speaker 2: facial tumor, which is so it's called tasmai devil facial
Speaker 2: tumor disease. Or DFTD, and it came. It was first
Speaker 2: sighted up in a place called Narantapu in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: And it's one of only two mammalian transitionionball cancers. The
Speaker 2: other one is like a really really old dog penis cancer.
Speaker 1: Did you expect to hear the stack of words really
Speaker 1: all dog penis cancer served up into your ear like
Speaker 1: a club sandwich today? No? No, you didn't. And if
Speaker 1: you're a dog with a dick and you get canine
Speaker 1: venereal transmissible tumor, how do you deal with it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: According to the paper Diseases and Surgery of the Canine Penis,
Speaker 1: a dog dick doctor would recommend partial or complete penale amputation,
Speaker 1: depending on the tumor type and location. So are you
Speaker 1: glad you're not a dog? So is everyone except maybe
Speaker 1: Tasmanian devils.
Speaker 2: What we think happened, it's hard to tell. What we
Speaker 2: think happened is a female devil up in the northeast
Speaker 2: of the state got cancer and through their behavior and
Speaker 2: also their logenet diversity spread throughout the state. Soti I
Speaker 2: say behavior they are quite gentle with people, and that
Speaker 2: could be, you know, an element of shock and stuff
Speaker 2: but amongst themselves they are quite grumpy. They don't have
Speaker 2: really good eyesight. They mostly use their smell and their hearing,
Speaker 2: and they're really long whiskers to navigate the landscape. And
Speaker 2: also that there's not much carrying. There's not much food
Speaker 2: to eat really, I mean, it's mostly roadkill. Things will die,
Speaker 2: you know, naturally, there'll be a dead sheep in a
Speaker 2: field or something, but generally there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: food around. So they all have to kind of share,
Speaker 2: and they don't really. They're solitary. They don't like sharing.
Speaker 2: They're being forced now more than ever, especially as humans
Speaker 2: encroach on their habitat more and more. They're being pushed
Speaker 2: together and having to eat together. And so when they're eating,
Speaker 2: they're all kind of they're all kind of going a
Speaker 2: bit crazy. They're getting a bit excited. It's like if
Speaker 2: you walk into your favorite restaurant and you saw a
Speaker 2: big player pasta and you were like, I haven't eaten
Speaker 2: in days, and you just start crying, and you know,
Speaker 2: you're all racing towards all your friends haven't eaten for
Speaker 2: days too, and it's all your favorite meal, and you
Speaker 2: all start writing towards it. You get a bit grumpy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's natural, Like it's normal. I'm fight over pasta.
Speaker 2: They're far over, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dead possup, absolutely so, especially when you're like, I
Speaker 1: made it to a tea. I'm going to make it
Speaker 1: that you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be. My brother's is all eaten by my mom.
Speaker 2: I need to eat this.
Speaker 1: Wait what were we talking about? Oh yeah, okay, fleshy
Speaker 1: cancer knobs. They kind of look like your skin to
Speaker 1: plum and it bore its way through their cheeks, eventually
Speaker 1: killing them and breaking my heart a thousand times over
Speaker 1: AKA Tasmanian devil facial tumor disease, which, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: should be called TDFTD, but it's none of my business. Anyway.
Speaker 1: They get bity with each other because of these long
Speaker 1: brunch lines and also because they get horny and.
Speaker 2: If they get too closer to they naturally they just
Speaker 2: kind of bite each other on the face. But what
Speaker 2: that means is probably what this female did is she
Speaker 2: had this cancer, she bit another devil on the face,
Speaker 2: and then the cancer transmitted through that. And probably because
Speaker 2: they're quite closely genetically to each other, they went through
Speaker 2: quite a few bottlenecks. Even prior to invasion. Climate change
Speaker 2: is you know, over the millennia has made them shrink
Speaker 2: and grow and shrink and grows. And then obviously post invasion,
Speaker 2: there was a lot of the bounties out on their
Speaker 2: heads like Tasmanian tigers because of the myth that they
Speaker 2: were eating their sheep when they've got a hunter sheep.
Speaker 2: And they've grown steadily since then until about the nineties,
Speaker 2: and they've declined quite rapidly with this tumor. But the
Speaker 2: interesting thing about it is it's a clonal cell. So,
Speaker 2: and I want to say here, I'm not a cancer researcher.
Speaker 2: I'm just an ecologist. There's a lot of research out
Speaker 2: there that I'm not privy too, but from what I know,
Speaker 2: it's it's clonal. So when you buiop see the cancer cells,
Speaker 2: it's got the female devil, the first female devil cells
Speaker 2: in it, not the devil host cells. So okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then wow, so there's and they're so rare, these
Speaker 2: transmissible cancer. I say, there's only this one dog penis
Speaker 2: one and the devil. But then in twenty fourteen, a
Speaker 2: second strain of the facial tumor showed up down in
Speaker 2: the south of the state, which has male genetics, so
Speaker 2: it's a whole it's almost like they've been struck by
Speaker 2: lightning twice. So they had this first one nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six and then a second one emerged, and they're two
Speaker 2: different strains. You can tell with the DNA of each
Speaker 2: of the strains. And basically we've lost, like you know,
Speaker 2: there's been declins of up to ninety five percent of
Speaker 2: devils in some area areas, there's there's probably less than
Speaker 2: like probably ten twenty thousand devils. Prior to DFTD kind
Speaker 2: of happening, we would have had like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand devils. It's a lot, a
Speaker 2: lot of deaths really, and it's almost one hundred percent
Speaker 2: mortality rate because what happened is they get they get
Speaker 2: it on their mouths and they can't get it elsewhere.
Speaker 2: They don't buy anywhere else really, but if they did
Speaker 2: buy somewhere else, it would infect there. But it's very
Speaker 2: facial facial orientated, but basically means they just starve to
Speaker 2: death over the period a period of a year or so,
Speaker 2: like slowly. So it's really sad and horrible. We've had
Speaker 2: no examples of vertical transmission. We haven't ever seen a
Speaker 2: mom pass on it to her babies, but we have
Speaker 2: seen examples of say where a devil might have facial
Speaker 2: like have been a different true or from different individuals,
Speaker 2: so say they might have been bitten three or four times.
Speaker 2: Because the cancer is quite a stable cancer, but it
Speaker 2: has mutated, and it will mutate within an individual. So
Speaker 2: while it will ssoll have the same genetic kind of
Speaker 2: composition of that first level that had it in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six or the one in the South in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: it does mutate, so you can tell if an individual
Speaker 2: has just one tumor that's spread or multiple different tumors.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the basis of it. But there is
Speaker 2: there is some hope, Like I mean, it's incredible, like
Speaker 2: the amount of attention that the devil's got with this,
Speaker 2: like through cancer researchers, through cologists and biologists, it's been
Speaker 2: an incredible effort to help them. Where still we don't
Speaker 2: have any kind of cure, But what we have found
Speaker 2: is there are individuals that have recovered from it nice
Speaker 2: oh so they without any human intervention, they've reduced the
Speaker 2: cancer in some way. Themselves, probably due to some kind
Speaker 2: of immune response. So there have been like a few
Speaker 2: weeks samples of devils kind of shrinking their own cancers
Speaker 2: in a way, which is badass as hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah for real, Yeah, they think that a vaccine is possible.
Speaker 2: I think they're working on a vaccine because the Men's
Speaker 2: Institute here at the University of Tasmania is like working
Speaker 2: great guns to find a cure for it.
Speaker 1: So doctor Bruce Lyons of the University of Tasmania has
Speaker 1: said of the vaccine work that they're doing there that
Speaker 1: their research has found that, quote, the devil's immune system
Speaker 1: can in certain circumstances eradicate the tumors. But the next
Speaker 1: step is to connect the dots to hopefully produce a
Speaker 1: single shot vaccine, and he says we've still got a
Speaker 1: bit of a way to get there. But compared to
Speaker 1: the history of tumor immunology and human work, the achievements
Speaker 1: with devils in the last ten years are outstanding. So
Speaker 1: that's promising. I mean, if they would just stop nipping
Speaker 1: at each other while eating or having sexy times, which
Speaker 1: is also how those face bites happen, then they would
Speaker 1: be fine. But it's not like you can just hand
Speaker 1: out information leaflets near Wallaby carcasses.
Speaker 2: You can't stop a devil from being a devil.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you can't quarantine, like, hey, well, no one
Speaker 1: bite each other.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing we have tried that they have been
Speaker 2: quarantining devils on an island offshore off Tazzy. They've put
Speaker 2: a lot of devils on an island called Mariah Island.
Speaker 2: Why are you so obsessed with me? I think it's
Speaker 2: Palera kind of name is will Lou Wikiwaina they have
Speaker 2: about I guess, oh gosh, I don't want to say
Speaker 2: a number. I'm going to say a number and then
Speaker 2: bloody wrong. But it'll be like like three hundred devils
Speaker 2: there now, and they're very genetically diverse devils. There's no
Speaker 2: roads there, like the only people that have cars there
Speaker 2: are the rangers. There's no cancer, so it's it's like
Speaker 2: an insurance population. But it's also like it kind of
Speaker 2: can feed into the main population too, because if you
Speaker 2: can create more genetic diversity offshore and then bring that
Speaker 2: to the main land of Tazzy, you can maybe kind
Speaker 2: of increase diversity enough that the cancer becomes us of
Speaker 2: a problem. It's kind of the aim there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh and full of tech.
Speaker 2: So, oh my gosh. They're so cute. They have like
Speaker 2: when you first get off the boat there, there's like
Speaker 2: a little like Rotto creation of devils whether all the
Speaker 2: mums kick their babies out to all these little baby
Speaker 2: devil's running around. It's so cute. They're so sweet.
Speaker 1: Can I ask your Patreon qu Yeah, I got we
Speaker 1: got one thousand questions about the Looney Tunes character and
Speaker 1: we also just got a thousand questions.
Speaker 2: Ah.
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Speaker 1: and so I'm just going to kind of like lightning
Speaker 1: around you. Yeah, okay, Ashley Curtin question, that's on all
Speaker 1: of our minds. What's the goss on their love lives?
Speaker 1: Do they mate for life? Do they have a family lifestyle?
Speaker 1: Do mamas have flings and then raise the babies alone? Like,
Speaker 1: let's hear the juicy deeds.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Devil's like a lot of out of They're
Speaker 2: really like they're quite promiscuous. They definitely don't make for life.
Speaker 2: They definitely have multiple different partners, and in fact, a
Speaker 2: baby set can be from multiple different fathers. So it
Speaker 2: just depends on you know, wet which which sperm is
Speaker 2: the fastest kind of and like which is the most
Speaker 2: verile I guess. But yeah, they'll just mate with anybody.
Speaker 2: The breeding season is quite a noisy time. They're very like,
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to sing it, I guess
Speaker 2: this is so funny, like if you just hear their
Speaker 2: noise they make and imagine that that's either like them
Speaker 2: like being happy to see food or being happy to
Speaker 2: see someone they want to have sex with. It's like
Speaker 2: it's like kind of the same kind of noise. And
Speaker 2: they have they have a large vocal range, and they
Speaker 2: definitely do like they have old factory like scent cube,
Speaker 2: but they also do make a lot of noise and
Speaker 2: being like I am ready to have a baby, So
Speaker 2: a lot of noise, a lot of like a lot
Speaker 2: of courtship, a lot of singing. But yeah, no, it's
Speaker 2: all very like males will just make with anybody, female
Speaker 2: will make with anybody. It's all. It's all kind of
Speaker 2: a it's a big free love kind of fest out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very much like spring break. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of bony.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no noise.
Speaker 1: Julie Bear on that note says sorry, but the dong
Speaker 1: question is compulsory. Do they have multi headed dicks like
Speaker 1: other marsupials? By the way, Ali did not know that
Speaker 1: was a thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they they, I don't know, definitely must pupples
Speaker 2: who have like a kidness. I'm pretty shure have three
Speaker 2: prong dicks, which is crazy, right, what's that for?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I did not to bonuses. Just in case
Speaker 1: you lose, I got a couple of backup exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm just googling to my devil penis. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know. Uh, it's a picture here on I'm going
Speaker 2: to get some kind of oh it's a four headed penis.
Speaker 1: Well I well, oh my goodness, sounds floral.
Speaker 2: It looks kind of just like a generic penis. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem that that crazy.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Oh Google, Okay, you should google it because it's yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, just yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to google. Don't worry, there's going to
Speaker 1: be in a sight on it. Okay. So yes, dude,
Speaker 1: echidnas have quandro dongs partly because the females have a
Speaker 1: vagina duo and from what I was able to google
Speaker 1: on the phallus of Tassy, it looked kind of like
Speaker 1: a sleepy earthworm. So let's meander casually over to butt smells.
Speaker 1: Julie Beer also wants to know what would be more
Speaker 1: pungent the spray of a tassy or pebula pew are skunk.
Speaker 2: Hah, Well, they're not sinky. So I associate devils with
Speaker 2: what we do. We trap them in these big PBC
Speaker 2: pipe things that are kind of circular because it kind
Speaker 2: of makes them a bit more comfy, and then we
Speaker 2: put them in a Hessian bag. So I kind of
Speaker 2: associate the Tasmanian devil with the smell of.
Speaker 1: A Hessian bag that's a burlap sack America.
Speaker 2: And oh and so it smells quite nice to me
Speaker 2: when I think of what a devil smells like. And
Speaker 2: then also when I go looking for their poop, like
Speaker 2: it's like really quite it's kind of pleasant. Like I've
Speaker 2: worked with a lot smellier animals like quoals are pretty
Speaker 2: smell The thing is, their faces do smell like rotting meat, don't.
Speaker 2: They don't spray you like a skunk. They won't like
Speaker 2: skunk on you or whatever, but they do definitely smell
Speaker 2: like rotting flesh. So it depends what you're you're into.
Speaker 1: I guess associations run strong, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: if it reminds you of being out in like hiking
Speaker 1: boots in the world doing the work you like, rotting
Speaker 1: flesh is like, mmm, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like it's kind of like relaxing in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, Ella Sugarman wants to know what
Speaker 1: shape are their poos. I'm hoping for cubes, but that
Speaker 1: is a wombat, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wom bats have cube poops and I think it's
Speaker 2: recently someone just found it because of how their colon
Speaker 2: is shaped, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: Hey, question are you eating? If so, just skip ahead
Speaker 1: about like a minute and.
Speaker 2: A half, just a warm So. Devil pools are pretty
Speaker 2: pretty just generic carnival pooh. They have like they're quite long,
Speaker 2: like almost like a They've got like tapered ends and
Speaker 2: they're often joined in the middle by hair. They eat.
Speaker 2: They eat everything, Like when I say a Tasmanian devil
Speaker 2: like is a bit of a grut, a grut they are.
Speaker 2: They eat bones, they eat teeth, they eat eyes, they
Speaker 2: eat hair, like everything. I remember once we put out
Speaker 2: a kangaroo carcass just because there was a kangaroo around
Speaker 2: the farm and it had passed away, so we put
Speaker 2: it out. I want to see what would happen. And
Speaker 2: the next morning it was there was the bones, and
Speaker 2: then next day there was nothing like they So in
Speaker 2: that way, the Lenitunes character is correct because they are
Speaker 2: like a tornado eating food. But you know, so no,
Speaker 2: they're poo. Just it's not that exciting compared to a wombat.
Speaker 2: Pooh they have. Yeah, it's just like a lot of hair.
Speaker 2: It's like it's great. It's like like sausages, like sausages
Speaker 2: and you can see bits of you know, often you
Speaker 2: get like if they've eaten like a little wallabee or
Speaker 2: a little like Paddymelon, they'll have a whole jaw inside
Speaker 2: there inside their poop because their jaws are so small,
Speaker 2: and it's like getting a testimating devil poo and it's
Speaker 2: fine and like going through it is like my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Like when I go out on a walk and I
Speaker 2: smell devil poo, I like I'm down there like Gollum fleshious,
Speaker 2: like fingering it, breaking it off with my hands, and
Speaker 2: only saw the bushworks are walking past me like I'm
Speaker 2: some kind of real creep. But it's like they don't know,
Speaker 2: they don't know what it's crazy. I'm holding liquid gold. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's like everything's I could ever want is inside this boop.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you're a desert Oh you thought
Speaker 1: scientists were normal, boring people. No, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: That is one giant falsehood. Oh, flim flam. What's the
Speaker 1: biggest myth about Tasmanian devils?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How did I not ask that already?
Speaker 2: I think the biggest myth has already gone over. The
Speaker 2: biggest myth is obviously that they're grumpy, and they're really
Speaker 2: just not that grumpy. I think that that's kind of
Speaker 2: the biggest thing about devils. I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of talk about them being like will like apex predators.
Speaker 2: I think that's a bit of slim flam too. I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of I think we don't give
Speaker 2: quoals enough attention, and they are really the ones doing
Speaker 2: the heavy lifting and e ecosystems. They're the ones kind
Speaker 2: of like equalizing everything. I mean, devils are important. I
Speaker 2: fucking love devils, but like I think we don't give
Speaker 2: quoals enough like kudos, because like, man, they are doing
Speaker 2: you know, God's work. I'm not religious, but if I was,
Speaker 2: I would be core religious.
Speaker 1: You know, one nation under calls.
Speaker 2: The biggest saying that I hate you already got I
Speaker 2: think I can't think of anything else.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh and Cameron Simpson has a question, what is up
Speaker 1: with their hair coloring being white below their necks? Is
Speaker 1: it random? Is it unique to Tasmanian devils as a
Speaker 1: server a purpose as opposed to calls? They have those spots, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so quolls kind of when you see a quall
Speaker 2: in the wild, which is hard to do because they
Speaker 2: blend in so well. It's like they're kind of rusty color,
Speaker 2: all the black or the fawn and the spots they
Speaker 2: break them up in the landscape. They look like leaves basically.
Speaker 2: Whereas devils. Yeah, it's really really, really really rare to
Speaker 2: see a carnivore who's black and white. It's such a weird,
Speaker 2: stark coloring choice. And we do get devils that are
Speaker 2: just one hundred percent black, and we do get devils
Speaker 2: that like have like almost quo like spots. It's very rare,
Speaker 2: but we do sometimes get devils with a lot of
Speaker 2: white on them. There's been a lot of like talk
Speaker 2: about what it could be. It could be for like defense,
Speaker 2: like you know, a big white you know, a big
Speaker 2: white kind of band is kind of quite like startling
Speaker 2: to another devil. And then they have if they have
Speaker 2: a big white band, that is, they'll have a matching
Speaker 2: one on their bum. So it's almost like you can't
Speaker 2: tell which enders which. Maybe it's a confusing thing. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's like is this my fat bum or just my
Speaker 2: chunky chunky head? Who knows.
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: And I guess because they are nocturnal or crepuscular, they
Speaker 2: kind of blur the line between being active a dawn
Speaker 2: and dust or overnight. You know, being black probably helps them,
Speaker 2: but also they don't have to blend in that well,
Speaker 2: they don't. Nothing really hunts them. I mean, that's probably
Speaker 2: why the dingo did kind of decimate them so badly,
Speaker 2: because they are quite apparent, and that's it's one of
Speaker 2: like feral dogs, like loose dog packs here are a
Speaker 2: really big issue because they are quite starkly obvious to
Speaker 2: you know, a predator.
Speaker 1: Oh and one more question from a patron and Jolie
Speaker 1: Brown wants, now, how adaptable are Tasmanian devils and calls
Speaker 1: to climactic change and other changes to their environment like
Speaker 1: heavy rainy season and drought stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That is an incredible question because not very well. So
Speaker 2: they're quite hardy things in like other situations like as
Speaker 2: I said, fire not a problem, like you know, brush
Speaker 2: it off, shake it off, tay the swift. It's like
Speaker 2: they're kind of fine about like like those kind of
Speaker 2: more natural events climatic changes, know, they cannot deal with it.
Speaker 2: So devils, you know, over time, you know, through the
Speaker 2: fossil history, we've seen that there's been like massive drops
Speaker 2: and massive inclines in terms of climate change. Same with quoals,
Speaker 2: Like Eastern quoals are probably my favorite animal. And I
Speaker 2: am like obsessive, compulsive, constantly looking at research being done
Speaker 2: about them. I'm some kind of like I'm like a
Speaker 2: qual stand that's really quiet. It's kind of creepy. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't anyway, they really are not doing well and
Speaker 2: they are really tightly linked in terms of their population
Speaker 2: numbers and density to rainfall and climatic change, and they
Speaker 2: really do fluctuate quite a lot, and so they're not
Speaker 2: doing so well. If we're talking about eastern coals, their
Speaker 2: numbers are low, as are though as they've been in
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty years. And you know, spottail quols
Speaker 2: aren't doing any better, and devils are low, but also
Speaker 2: for a different reason, but for you know, more the
Speaker 2: facial tumor kind of side of things. They're not doing
Speaker 2: well in terms of climate change. None of Tazzy is Tassy's.
Speaker 2: Really it's a very special landscape, but it's changing a lot.
Speaker 2: It needs wet winters and it needs you know, drier,
Speaker 2: hot summers, and we're just not getting that. Everything's kind
Speaker 2: of flipped around often a word that people don't like
Speaker 2: to use in science, but they should be using more.
Speaker 2: The country is sick, like Tasmania especially is sick. The
Speaker 2: land is sick, and it's really heartbreaking to see it
Speaker 2: kind of degrade and degrade more and more over time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if we don't do something quick about climate change,
Speaker 2: we're going to lose these these these animals like so
Speaker 2: devils and eastern quolls are only found in Tazzi Tasmania
Speaker 2: became a refuge and now their last refuge isn't protecting
Speaker 2: them anymore. So we really failed these animals and we
Speaker 2: know so little about them, like it be deficented to
Speaker 2: lose them just because of you know how iconical they are.
Speaker 2: But we just know so little about them. How can
Speaker 2: we lose them? Yeah, and what a loss of the world.
Speaker 2: Huge kind of group of animals that you know, just
Speaker 2: deserve so much more attention and funding thrown their way, which.
Speaker 1: Is why we donated to UTAZ and their efforts. So
Speaker 1: please save these little tasties. Okay, maybe one more question
Speaker 1: from patrons. Casey Handmer himself in Australia says that he
Speaker 1: is not qualified.
Speaker 2: Those are quite quality questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one more question, Okay, one more question. Kathleen Jones
Speaker 1: says that they googled calls and immediately yelled fuck off
Speaker 1: at like computer at the top of my lungs. I
Speaker 1: want to kiss them but also nibble gently on their ears,
Speaker 1: but also become a marsupial and force them to live
Speaker 1: in my pouch. So can I feed them the best snacks?
Speaker 1: Is that common? If you work on a call? Do
Speaker 1: they like you? No, they don't you don't want to
Speaker 1: feed them because they'll bite your face off. Kathleen Jones.
Speaker 2: But so here's a really interesting thing. So cats, domestic
Speaker 2: cats are really bad ecologically, like they kill a lot
Speaker 2: of burrs, they kill a lot of native rodents and stuff.
Speaker 2: So Mena Jones, who is my goddamn idol. If anyone
Speaker 2: wants to look at Tazzie Devil research, you just go
Speaker 2: to Google Schollar, type her name in and you'll be
Speaker 2: in Devil and Core research for hours. She's incredible and
Speaker 2: also my supervisor, and so anyway, she's great. One of
Speaker 2: the reason I want to work with her. She is
Speaker 2: really she's really passionate about out making cats illegal in
Speaker 2: Tazzi and swapping that over with dazzy urups and so
Speaker 2: that you know, we call quolls our native cats, the
Speaker 2: natural kind of thing would to be to bring quolls
Speaker 2: into that equation and take cats out. But let me
Speaker 2: tell you, Okay, so I would say I am for
Speaker 2: that because I don't like cats in our landscape. They
Speaker 2: are really like quite disastrous. But you know, I've raised
Speaker 2: qualls before and they are great, Like when you have
Speaker 2: them as for women, they're babies, and you know, if
Speaker 2: you're with them every day. They do love on you,
Speaker 2: and you can feed them. They love crickets. Their favorite
Speaker 2: food is crickets or like a little bit of peanut butter.
Speaker 2: They used to eat me and my dog's food and stuff.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, if you go away for even
Speaker 2: like a day and you come back, they're like, who
Speaker 2: the hell are you? And they try and kill you,
Speaker 2: and then it's another like three weeks of them being
Speaker 2: like you have to be there all the time. They've
Speaker 2: got good hearts, but they have really bad memory. You
Speaker 2: just couldn't leave them alone.
Speaker 1: So qualls pretty much like I care with polkadots, but
Speaker 1: also we'll treat you like a stranger and chew your
Speaker 1: face off. So maybe we don't swap kitties for qualls.
Speaker 2: I would almost be like more inclined to be like
Speaker 2: devil's are the way to go, if you if you know,
Speaker 2: if if we wanted to go on that path of
Speaker 2: like getting rid of cats and putting in a native replacer.
Speaker 2: Quills are incredible animals. I'm not saying go out there
Speaker 2: and get one and put it in your home. You'll
Speaker 2: want you'll probably lose a hand. But if we're talking
Speaker 2: about what's best for Tasi and what's best for Australia
Speaker 2: and just not have any more cats and to have
Speaker 2: more native animals around. And devils are a lot more
Speaker 2: you know, generally they're quite a lot more happy to
Speaker 2: be around humans than quolls are. They're not happy to
Speaker 2: be around humans, but they do it more than then
Speaker 2: quolls do.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is it legal to keep a Tasmanian devil?
Speaker 2: No, So, like cares, you can get like a wildlife
Speaker 2: care a permit and then if like a devil, an
Speaker 2: imp comes in. That's what the baby devils are called imps.
Speaker 2: If an in comes in, you can raise it. But
Speaker 2: it's quite a specialized thing. And like they're quite hard
Speaker 2: to raise, and the quotes that I've raised it, it's
Speaker 2: hard work. Man. You've got to have a lot of
Speaker 2: space and you've got to have a lot of time
Speaker 2: and do nothing else. Before I moved to Oxford, we
Speaker 2: used to raise kangaroos and stuff, and our last kangaroo, Kara,
Speaker 2: which is great. I would carry around in a pouch
Speaker 2: around the streets and stuff because she didn't like being alone.
Speaker 2: But you know, when she want a milk, she'd just
Speaker 2: like rock her pouch on the door and just make
Speaker 2: a lot of noise and be real grumpy, or like,
Speaker 2: if I want to talk about things that make devil noises,
Speaker 2: look up what a kangaroo sounds like? Like an easing
Speaker 2: gray kangaroo.
Speaker 1: Poh boy, here we go. This is from a YouTube
Speaker 1: video called Kangaroo Sounds and Pictures for Teaching. And I
Speaker 1: just want you to know. I looked and the top
Speaker 1: upvoted comment reads, sounds like me getting up from bed.
Speaker 2: Because they sound like the devil, so like it sounds nice,
Speaker 2: like having it sounds like dreamy, like oh wow, you
Speaker 2: raise the kangaroo, you raise quolls. It's hard. It's hard,
Speaker 2: you don't sleep day is weeks like it's and it's
Speaker 2: rewarding because they get to go back out where they belong.
Speaker 2: But like you know, that's also quite hard to say goodbye.
Speaker 2: Is like you spend so much time in but it's
Speaker 2: good because you're doing good for the environment. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of blood, sweat and tears. And you know they
Speaker 2: don't really like you. They're not really gonna come cuddle you.
Speaker 2: They're gonna like look at you, like when are you
Speaker 2: gonna feed me? Crickets bru like Jesus.
Speaker 1: And wherever you are out there, before you start painting
Speaker 1: a Tasmanian fern forest in your devil nursery, we're dreaming
Speaker 1: up in Instagram handle for your soon to be famous
Speaker 1: wild pet influencer. Maybe just like don't I mean, I
Speaker 1: get it. I would love a housewambad, but I gotta
Speaker 1: shatter your dreams here.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be for like exporting devils across the world
Speaker 2: as pets, but I think locally, if we could, you know,
Speaker 2: boost numbers in that way, it would be it'll be
Speaker 2: interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is I mean, I'm gonna stick with a dog.
Speaker 1: It's just literally so easy.
Speaker 2: Like that's fine, Yeah, I feel yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: As I as I record this, my dog is asleep
Speaker 1: on her back, spread eagle on her back. She's about
Speaker 1: the size of a of a quat. There are maltese.
Speaker 2: Actually, she's like, oh, my dog's are maltese. He's sitting
Speaker 2: on my lap. He's a he's a very smoothie little boy.
Speaker 2: He's looking at me like, what are you doing? Why
Speaker 2: are you making so much noise? It's nine o'clock. He's
Speaker 2: a very grumpy boy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I'll stick to dogs, and Okay,
Speaker 1: the worst thing about what you do then it sucks
Speaker 1: the most about being a wait as a urologist, thank you.
Speaker 2: Now you go. You got to say it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the worst thing is that I haven't been
Speaker 2: able to actually do field because I've been working in Oxford.
Speaker 2: I've been like working with a really cool team, like
Speaker 2: working with a really cool tech to try and bring
Speaker 2: that over here, but also like learn more statsy stuff
Speaker 2: to bring that back to Tazzy as well with some
Speaker 2: really really cool team in Oxford. So the worst part
Speaker 2: has been for the last couple years I haven't been
Speaker 2: able to do any field work or like see a
Speaker 2: devil because I've been in Oxford and that my work
Speaker 2: is now quite death space, which is not what I
Speaker 2: got into ecology for, but that would change. But also
Speaker 2: I think the worst part is that, like the worst
Speaker 2: part genuinely that that's like the worst part for meself.
Speaker 2: Put it, I haven't been able to get out there
Speaker 2: and see them. But the worst part is seeing them
Speaker 2: with the cancers. So if the cancers so far along
Speaker 2: that they're starving to death, we put them down, and
Speaker 2: that is just the saddest thing. And like even like
Speaker 2: so for example, if a mum's teets are enlarged, we
Speaker 2: will send her back even if her tumor's so bad,
Speaker 2: because we can't let her pups die. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: an equal tie between putting them down or letting them
Speaker 2: back out if you know what their fate's going to be.
Speaker 2: That is truly, truly heartbreaking, and it never gets easier.
Speaker 2: Like it's just, oh my gosh, I'm thinking about it
Speaker 2: noways you want to cry because it's just like these
Speaker 2: pure gentle babies that just you know, through no fault
Speaker 2: of their own, have this horrible in visible cancer. Also,
Speaker 2: it's quite horrible. It smells bad, you know. You can
Speaker 2: you can tell when you have a devil with a
Speaker 2: fatal tumor when you get if you walk up to
Speaker 2: a trap, because it just smells like really pussy and ganky.
Speaker 2: I don't know that words, but yeah, anyway, that's the worst.
Speaker 1: That's my new word, yanky wanky fact for.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, amazing, Oh my god. But yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the hardest part.
Speaker 1: Oh and then what about the best, What about just
Speaker 1: the thing that you love the most about your job?
Speaker 2: I think seeing them like after you have processed them,
Speaker 2: so after you have them on your lap and you're
Speaker 2: doing what you need to do with the qual the
Speaker 2: devil seeing them run back to the bush. I remember
Speaker 2: the first time I ever saw someone like release the devil.
Speaker 2: She said, she's an incredible researcher. She said, go forth
Speaker 2: and prosper, And this little devil just like looked at
Speaker 2: her and then jumped into the bush. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what this devil does exactly what we're talking about. He's
Speaker 2: gonna go and have a friend and mate. Now, I
Speaker 2: guarantee you this devil is like on a mission.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: It's very inspiring. They just leap and they they just
Speaker 2: and they just are gone in a second. And that's
Speaker 2: kind of the most incredible part is like being able
Speaker 2: to be with them for this like short amount of time.
Speaker 2: It's such a privilege and an honor to be able
Speaker 2: to like be in their presence. It's almost like it's
Speaker 2: like it's like it's so awe inspiring sitting with these animals.
Speaker 2: And then every individual one is so important, like every
Speaker 2: single piece of data is so important for the future
Speaker 2: of these devils and quolls. So you know, that's kind
Speaker 2: of the best part. And then also just like like
Speaker 2: just a lot of my job is out like sitting,
Speaker 2: you know, I go do work that in the afternover,
Speaker 2: sit on you know, in the bush and drink a
Speaker 2: beer and just listen to devils screaming around me. Like
Speaker 2: you can't not be so happy in those moments, Like
Speaker 2: it's really hard to be sad when you have that's
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's like the ultimate expression of like I
Speaker 1: hate to see you leave, but I love to see
Speaker 1: you go because they do have those bubble butts and
Speaker 1: it's just what a joy to watch and walk away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, WHOA, take your cute little butt out
Speaker 2: of here. Yeah yeah, Oh my gosh. Incredible. Anyway, thank
Speaker 2: you so much. It has been so nice, a great
Speaker 2: start to my Wednesday morning. I feel so.
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