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All right, it is an all calls Sunday morning, 22 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.959 this Sunday before Christmas. I want to go back to 23 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:37.159 the phones. Let's talk to Joni. Joni, welcome home, Joni. 24 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:37.799 Are you with me? 25 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.799 But yes, I'm here, can you hear me? 26 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:41.439 Yeah? 27 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.640 Sorry, We're in the midst of a major kitchen remodel. 28 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.000 The cabinets, the base cabinets are now in and they 29 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:57.719 are inset cabinets, and they've put the subtops on top 30 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:02.359 of the cabinets. But there's about a three quarter inch 31 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:07.280 gap be set back between the edge of the cab 32 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:11.759 face frame and the cabinet, and I'm wondering why they 33 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.599 did that or is that a mistake. We are either 34 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:18.919 going to do an og edge or a DuPont edge, 35 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.599 which I want to ask you the difference between those two. 36 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:29.159 Okay, okay, So so you haven't you just noticed this. 37 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.280 You haven't had a chance to ask your contractor or 38 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:32.439 your cabinet installed. 39 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.039 No, well no, I haven't had a chance to ask 40 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.240 Starre gone for Christmas? 41 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:45.800 So okay, so there, yeah, I'm here, I'm here, Okay, okay, 42 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:48.479 just to clarify a couple of terms for everybody else 43 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:51.840 who's listening. So when when you do in a cabinet installation, 44 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:54.919 the cabinet boxes go in, and then once all the 45 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:59.159 boxes are in place, the base cabinet boxes, plywood is 46 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.800 put on top. It's what we call a subtop, because 47 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.680 that's obviously not the countertop. What goes on top of 48 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.199 the plywood is the stone or the tile or whatever 49 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.879 it is that you got going on. Now you have 50 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.680 inset cabinets, which is very nice, very very old school, 51 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.840 very nice, which is that the doors and drawers do 52 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:22.000 not extend out from the face frame of the cabinets, 53 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.319 but they actually recess in and flush themselves with the 54 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.039 face frame of the cabinet. So you have no overhanging 55 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:32.879 projecting doors and drawers on these base cabinets. It's just 56 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:36.240 one plane coming down the face of the cabinet box. 57 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.560 Of course you've got knobs and such, but no overhang. 58 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:46.879 The typical typical countertop overhang for typical cabinets, which is 59 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:51.680 the cabinet face plus doors and drawers. That typical overhang 60 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:53.280 is about inch and a quarter to an inch and 61 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.199 a half of the actual stone and or tile overhanging 62 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:01.520 because the cabinet doors themselves are coming out another three 63 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.960 quarter plus inches, and then you've got another half inch 64 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.719 to three cords of an inch overhang protecting all of that. 65 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.960 In your case, it won't be overhanging that much because 66 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.400 your insect. But the rule still applies. But here's where 67 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:19.199 it gets tricky. It all depends on the configuration of 68 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:25.839 that og edge. If you're doing a double a double 69 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.680 laminated edge in other words, instead of just one layer 70 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.360 of stone at about seven eighths of an inch thick 71 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.920 coming out and having its little finished edge, it sounds 72 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.800 like you're planning on you've got a double lamination. In 73 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:40.319 other words, another piece of stone is going to be 74 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.639 put on the bottom there to make the appearance of 75 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:48.199 a big, built up thick edge. It all depends on, 76 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.959 you know how, if we're hanging over let's say an 77 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.720 inch okay, which would be kind of typical three cords 78 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.000 of an inch to an inch of hanging over a 79 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:07.519 an inset cabinet face, if the builder has insight from 80 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:12.000 the stone people that hey, we need more than just 81 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.439 one inch square piece to laminate there. It needs to 82 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:20.079 be deeper. That may be the reason why the subtop 83 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.639 has been held back a little bit in order to 84 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:28.399 give more room for the bottom lamination stone to kind 85 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:31.279 of nestle in to the top. But I will tell 86 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:37.000 you that's not common at all, and so typically we 87 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.680 will just run the full subtop right over to the 88 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:43.319 face of the cabinet. So I can't tell you definitively 89 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:47.720 that somebody did something wrong, but I can tell you 90 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.600 you just got to ask the question to have no 91 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:54.319 one go any further until that question gets answered, because 92 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.639 there is a bit of a strength sacrifice by holding 93 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:03.160 the subtok back. Quite often, once in a blue moon, 94 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.000 I will tell you this, Jony, once in a blue 95 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.560 moon when we have to do that because of the 96 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.959 nature of the countertop material itself, right when we have 97 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.079 to provide a larger notch, what we will do is 98 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.759 we will put yet another piece of wood underneath the 99 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:25.199 subtop that supports that free floating subtop edge and connect 100 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:30.240 to the front face of the cabinet regardless. Okay, ideally 101 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.639 you want a solid connection to the front cabinet face 102 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.480 all along the front, whether or not the subtop is 103 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.120 being held back or not. I hope we just didn't 104 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:42.000 lose everybody in all of that terminology, but that's kind 105 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:42.639 of you did. 106 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:49.680 At all no, okay, yeah, yeah, And I have no 107 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.720 idea why they did what they did so and it's 108 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:53.959 the cabinet makers too. 109 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:58.040 It's not the fall off the stone many. 110 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.000 So yeah, just just find out, say, hey, what's the 111 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:05.519 deal here and uh and you know they'll let you 112 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:06.199 know what's going on. 113 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:07.399 Okay. 114 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:11.000 And a farmhouse SYNC should be level with the subtop. 115 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:12.759 Uh. 116 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.879 If it's an inset, yeah, if it's an undermount farmhouse SYNC, 117 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.199 then yes, it gets set level with the subtops so 118 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.680 that the stone goes over and just rolls over the sink. 119 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:27.920 Yeah, proud, Yeah, yeah, Okay, I'm gonna have. 120 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.199 To front yes, that's the nature of it. But as 121 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:36.120 far as as it being underneath the countertop from the top. 122 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.160 Yeah, yep, yeah, okay, okay, Well, thank you so much, 123 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:41.439 appreciate it. 124 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:47.199 You are so very welcome. Thanks for the call. Good 125 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.279 luck with all of that. 126 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:50.040 Uh. 127 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:53.879 One last thing I'm gonna toss in there. I don't 128 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:58.560 know if y'all kind of picked that up, but when 129 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.000 you typically look at a stone countertop face, not a 130 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.839 lot of people realize this that you know, the stone 131 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.560 slab that comes from the stone yard is only three 132 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:12.480 quarter well three get it's more like seven eighths of 133 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.360 an inch thick usually between depending on the kind of stone, 134 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.519 it could be anywhere from seven eights to an inch 135 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:23.680 thick stone. That's not that full, big fat countertop edge 136 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.240 that you see there. What happens is we take that 137 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:29.600 stone and then we'll take a slice of it off 138 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.639 that front edge and we'll put it up underneath. We'll 139 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:41.159 epoxyate laminated underneath, and then whatever kind of nosing of 140 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.000 edging that you want. And there's twenty different kinds of 141 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:49.080 edging that we can do there. But the idea is 142 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:53.879 that we're giving the illusion that that stone is closer 143 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.679 to two inches thick, when in reality it's just two pieces. 144 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.039 And the quality of the install of that stone, by 145 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.559 the way, has to do with whether we're hiding the scene. Okay, 146 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:10.159 any cheaper done countertops you can look on the face 147 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:11.840 and you're like, well look, and I can see the 148 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.080 line where they glued it together. That's kind of a 149 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.720 fail for us. We never do it that way. We 150 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.159 either mter from the top corner down so that we 151 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.039 have no visible seam on the face, or if it's 152 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.240 like what Jonie was talking about, what's called an og 153 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.240 or a double og edge. The scene can get hidden 154 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.720 in the details of the carving, of the fun of 155 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.159 the counter. So there you go. Did that make sense? 156 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:42.159 Am I making sense to people? I know it's very technical, 157 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:44.200 but just I know there are a lot of you out 158 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.039 there like, oh, okay, I get it. Now, run to 159 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.360 your kitchen right now and check out your countertop and 160 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.320 decide whether you know how it rates? All right, and 161 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.720 I'll tell you. By the time you come back, we'll 162 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:56.600 be back to calls. 163 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.919 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 164 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:02.519 KFI AM six forty. 165 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:09.720 Hey, welcome home, Welcome to are all calls Sunday morning, 166 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:14.320 the Sunday before Christmas twenty twenty four. I want to 167 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.559 get back to the phones. Oh, by the way, I 168 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:18.240 should give the number out again. It's been a bit 169 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.519 eight three three two ask Dean A three three the 170 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:27.480 numeral to ask Dean. Yes, it's one letter too long. 171 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.000 You know how hard it is to get an eight 172 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:32.000 hundred number these days. It's tough. When we started the 173 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:36.840 show about eight years ago, we tried so many variations, 174 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:38.840 but we ended up really liking this one eight three 175 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:42.679 three to ask Dean. You don't have to dial the en. 176 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.440 But I'm never going to read it that way because 177 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.759 then it would be eight three three two ask Dea. 178 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:54.279 And that's a whole different show. That's a whole different show. 179 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.120 That's a whole that's a drug show. And even though 180 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.440 our show has been called called a drug for many 181 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.399 of our listeners, that's not our point eight three three 182 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.320 two ask Dean. That's the number to call. All right, 183 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:14.159 let's get back to work, shall we. Let's talk to Wayne. Hey, Wayne, 184 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:15.240 welcome home? 185 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.159 Yeah, I mean thanks. 186 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:24.240 Got a question. A total house rebuild. And in the rebuild, 187 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:30.039 the guys doing installation put in ceiling which I'm not 188 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.879 sure if I should call him on it or not. 189 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.679 There's a vaulted ceiling in the house, but the bedrooms 190 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.960 and kitchen are all lower, I mean eight foot ceilings, 191 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.320 and they put insulation in the ceilings of all the 192 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:47.759 rooms except the kitchen, where they put it in the 193 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:52.000 rafters by the roof instead. Is that a problem? Does 194 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.679 that affect heating and cooling or what? 195 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:59.039 Okay, so the ceiling in the kitchen is an eight 196 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:05.080 foot ceiling. Yeah, so they didn't put the insulation in 197 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.279 the ceiling, they put it up in the rafters. Did 198 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:08.960 they explain why? 199 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:10.039 Uh? 200 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:16.679 No, okay, And that that area, the area directly above 201 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.399 the kitchen, that area of attic, does it connect to 202 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:21.919 other areas of attic open attic space? 203 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:27.159 The attic is all connected. Yeah, it connected all across 204 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:29.759 the bedrooms in the kitchen, that's all like attic area. 205 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.120 All right. So if I crawl through the attic or 206 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.000 walk through the attic, whatever the case may be, if 207 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:37.519 I get up in the attic, then I've got insulation 208 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.720 down on the floor of the attic until I get 209 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:42.519 over the kitchen then and all of a sudden it's 210 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:46.720 up above in the roof rafter. Right, you're correct, Yeah, 211 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:51.279 that's not that's not cool. Oh what is that effect? 212 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:52.559 How does that change things? 213 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.600 Well, what it is is that your attic is an 214 00:12:55.679 --> 00:13:00.039 unconditioned space. Okay. The whole reason we're insulating on the 215 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:04.960 surface of the ceiling is that we want to keep 216 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.039 the conditioned space, the conditioned air, meaning whatever we've heated 217 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.559 or whatever we've cooled in the house. We want to 218 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:17.679 keep those temperatures there, okay, and so and not in 219 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:23.120 the attic. We don't share conditioned temperatures, you know, controlled 220 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.039 temperatures with the attic space. It's it's cut off, it's 221 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.759 a separate space. It's technically kind of outside the house 222 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:34.759 in essence, so we need that diaphragm of insulation to 223 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.480 be complete over the whole thing, and so as it 224 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:39.600 is right now, That's why I asked if it was 225 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.759 if it's been isolated in the attic with other walls 226 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.639 and things in the attic, then if the if the 227 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.159 kitchen area or the area above the kitchen is isolated 228 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.399 from the rest of the attic space, then that could 229 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:55.480 be fine, because what we ultimately need is insulation above 230 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:59.679 the kitchen. But the fact that the kitchen ceiling has 231 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.679 that that heat and cool that's down below in there 232 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:09.000 can just soak right through unimpeded by insulation into the 233 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.759 attic and vice versa. It's essentially it's a hole. It's 234 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.759 a hole in your insulation. And so so that insulation 235 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:19.799 needs to be down over the kitchen ceiling as well, period, 236 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.399 because you need a blanket of insulation that seals up 237 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.600 the house. So it's kind of a hole in the 238 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:28.279 hull of the boat. The fact that the insulation is 239 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:30.559 up in the at in the rafter space above the 240 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.159 kitchen that's meaningless that it's not doing anything up there. Okay, 241 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.320 it's just it's literally not doing anything. It needs to 242 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:40.639 be down on the surface with the rest of the 243 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:42.840 insulation in the attic. O. 244 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.120 Good, Okay, thanks, I'll get them a change. 245 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:49.360 It, get them on it. Thanks Wayne, great question, Bertie. 246 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:53.440 Happy holidays? All right, Am I already Yeah, we're kind 247 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.039 of running late. All right, all right, We're gonna run 248 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.360 to a quick break and we'll be right back with 249 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.080 more of your calls. 250 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.399 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 251 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:04.679 KFI AM sixty. 252 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.799 We are right in the middle of an all calls 253 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:14.360 Sunday morning, this Sunday before Christmas, twenty twenty four. I 254 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:18.960 want to go back to the phones. I just closed 255 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.519 my laptop here. All right, let's talk to Dennis. Hey, Dennis, 256 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:23.919 welcome home. 257 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.039 Hello, Hello. 258 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:36.799 Yeah, So I've got a nineteen eighties track home attached 259 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:46.720 to car garage. The original roof was shake and it's 260 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.399 been replaced. It's got hard war or it's got plywood 261 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:57.639 on it now and that's dasspall and it's got of 262 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:04.720 ribs rafters twenty two twenty four inches apart. 263 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.000 Yep, how much. 264 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.519 Weight can I put up there? What I'm looking at 265 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:14.480 doing is I've got one hundred pounds hard top on 266 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.360 on the car that's detachable, and I want to ratchet 267 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.799 it up and get it up off the car and 268 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:20.639 off the floor. 269 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:26.879 Right right? Got it? What size are the rafters are? 270 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:29.279 You're giving me all the specs except the depth of 271 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:34.600 the rafters themselves. Is this a trust system? Two by 272 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:36.480 six and. 273 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:40.960 One and a half by six? Yeah? 274 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're two by six, they're five 275 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.159 and a half inches deep, inch and a half wide, 276 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.240 and they're set at twenty four inches on center. Now 277 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:55.840 your your garage roof? Is it? Is it? Is there 278 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.120 a ridge running over the roof? Or are they just 279 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:02.360 an extension of the house roof? What's when I look 280 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:03.960 up in your garage? 281 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:10.160 Yeah, it's a peaked roof and or there's no structure 282 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:13.920 above it. There's no house or room or anything above it. 283 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.880 All right, so the garage has its own roof and 284 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.039 uh and the ridge the ridge line is running right 285 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:26.359 down the center of the garage. Two car garage correct? Okay, yeah, 286 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:32.680 one hundred pounds of one hundred pounds here here it is. 287 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.680 I'm playing structural engineer on the radio. One hundred pounds 288 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:41.359 of of load there in one particular spot, connected well 289 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:48.880 to the rafters, should be no problem whatsoever, No problem whatsoever. Okay, Okay, yeah, 290 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:51.960 if everything you described, don't don't call me back later 291 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.720 with a lawsuit. Okay, Uh, if your description is not 292 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:01.279 is not as accurate. But here's the thing. A two okay, 293 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:05.839 A two x six laying flat, just running purely horizontally 294 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.279 spanning let's say ten feet, okay, in other words, free 295 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:13.319 spanning ten feet. A two x six is rated for 296 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.759 somewhere in the area of thirty pounds per square foot 297 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:19.720 of live load on top of it. I mean it 298 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.680 will hold a lot. And so yours are at an 299 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.640 angle at that that helps because roof rafters at an 300 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.680 angle they handle load differently. They are well supported by 301 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:35.599 the ridge itself. And so the point is this. You know, 302 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.599 I weigh over two hundred pounds, and I can crawl 303 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.000 up on your roof, up on top of your roof 304 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.119 without it bending, deflecting, or me falling through. Right, So 305 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:49.839 you attach hid, Yeah, you attaching a hunt in fact, 306 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:54.079 in fact, not just me. I could get me and 307 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.119 ten of my friends up there are entire roofing crew 308 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:01.400 all standing on your garage roof, and none of us 309 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.519 are worried about falling falling through. And all you're talking 310 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.759 about is lifting a one hundred pound detachable you know, 311 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.559 hardtop up on a winch so that you can store 312 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:18.160 it in there. I'm saying, you got no problem. 313 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.039 Okay, great, Yeah. What I've also done is I've got 314 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:25.279 two pieces of angle iron attached together and then others 315 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:28.759 bolted to a jacent ribs. 316 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:32.880 Yeah, you want to distribute the weight. The best way 317 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.359 to do it is to distribute the weight among as 318 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.599 many of the rafters as possible. So as you set 319 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.599 your winch up, instead of just bolting it to a 320 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.720 single rafter, you know, you just attach it to as 321 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.559 many of the rafters as near to the center of 322 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:51.799 the garage where the ridge is as possible. That's your 323 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:57.200 strongest connection and distributing the weight, distributing weight among all 324 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.240 of the members there. Dennis, good luck on that. It's 325 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.880 going to work out just fine. And thanks for the call, 326 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.880 and thanks for the question. I'm gonna sneak another one 327 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.720 in here. But let's see where are we at Where 328 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:16.400 there was some oh lydia Lydia, Welcome home, Good. 329 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:19.119 Morning, Dean. I have a question that's been posa think 330 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:22.680 a few times to you or you've explained it, but 331 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:28.240 I'm not sure if my problem applies or I have 332 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:33.079 a problem where we did a remodel box and extension 333 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:36.079 about twenty in twenty two, so it's been a couple 334 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:41.279 of years. Immediately the shower, I thought the water went 335 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:42.440 like hot and cold. 336 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.200 Now we did go from a regular. 337 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:50.039 Tank heater to a tank less and this is a 338 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:52.559 direct vent tankless waters heater. 339 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:53.000 I don't know. 340 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:59.279 I don't know what information you need, but anyhow, it 341 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:01.960 goes from hot too cold. I mean, it takes a 342 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.319 long time compared to what it used to to get hot. 343 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:08.160 In my opinion, right, and then it. 344 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:16.039 Goes where it begins to get warm and then excuse me, 345 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.680 and then it goes cold again and have wait like 346 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.160 fifteen seconds in the middle of a shower for it 347 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:24.799 to get hot again. 348 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:29.160 So, okay, I know you mentioned. 349 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.720 Like a recirculation pump and a bridge. 350 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.279 Now, but there's actually two things. We're actually talking about 351 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:40.480 two different things there, Okay, So okay, first let's talk 352 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:45.920 about the the the going cold on you situation. Okay, 353 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:50.480 the going cold on your situation. Are you aware that 354 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:54.480 of any other water being run when it does it 355 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:58.359 always do this, no matter, no matter whether it's the 356 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:00.960 old water that's running in the house, or does it 357 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:03.920 go cold on you because somebody else turns a faucet 358 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.200 on somewhere else or something like that. 359 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:07.519 No, absolutely not. 360 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.240 I'm home. 361 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:12.000 My husband's a fireman, so he's often you know, away 362 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.599 from home, and so I can be home alone. 363 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.200 I'm not running anything. So I mean, I've looked at. 364 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.640 That, you know, But no, absolutely not. 365 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:27.839 That was the most important answer to the question. Okay, 366 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.000 so I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to 367 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.880 tell you that you need to have somebody look at 368 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.599 that water heater. Okay, because a water heater should be 369 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.400 a tankless water heater should be putting out out, putting 370 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:43.400 a consistent temperature all the way through. It should not 371 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:46.359 be dipping. There may be something wrong with a setting. 372 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:49.359 There may be a problem with a thermo coupler or 373 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.640 a thermostat inside the water heater. There may be an 374 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.119 issue with gas supplied to the water heater. I literally, 375 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.000 it could be you know, one of ten different things 376 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:00.920 or a couple of different things. And I know it's 377 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.160 only a couple of years old, but you said you 378 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.640 were having the issue right from the get go, So 379 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:09.119 it is time to have somebody take a serious look 380 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.839 at the water heater because that is not normal and 381 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:15.359 that's not related to the house. Quite often, the reason 382 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:17.359 I asked the question is that quite often when it 383 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.960 comes to tankless water heaters, a homeowner will pick one 384 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.480 out for themselves, or a plumber will will pick one out, 385 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:29.119 or plumbers usually don't make this mistake, but they'll pick 386 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:32.440 one out that is undersized for the home. Undersized meaning 387 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.559 that you know, the idea of picking a tankless water 388 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.720 heater is all about how many hot water things do 389 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.079 you want running all at the same time, and that 390 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:48.000 therefore you get a water heater that's capable of that 391 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.039 kind of an output, so that if you're taking a 392 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:54.440 hot shower and then somebody starts doing the dishes, running 393 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.880 the dishwasher, and the laundry, that that water heater has 394 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:00.599 got enough hot running through it that it can supply 395 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.680 to all of them without the temperature dropping. Typically, when 396 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:09.000 a tankless water heater is dropping in temperature right in 397 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.599 the middle of something, it's because another faucet has been 398 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.599 turned on, and therefore now it's having to share its 399 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.079 hot water load with another fixture, and the water heater 400 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:23.799 isn't big enough sized enough for volume to be able 401 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.319