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Speaker 1: the phones. Let's talk to Joni. Joni, welcome home, Joni.
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Speaker 2: But yes, I'm here, can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sorry, We're in the midst of a major kitchen remodel.
Speaker 2: The cabinets, the base cabinets are now in and they
Speaker 2: are inset cabinets, and they've put the subtops on top
Speaker 2: of the cabinets. But there's about a three quarter inch
Speaker 2: gap be set back between the edge of the cab
Speaker 2: face frame and the cabinet, and I'm wondering why they
Speaker 2: did that or is that a mistake. We are either
Speaker 2: going to do an og edge or a DuPont edge,
Speaker 2: which I want to ask you the difference between those two.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So so you haven't you just noticed this.
Speaker 1: You haven't had a chance to ask your contractor or
Speaker 1: your cabinet installed.
Speaker 2: No, well no, I haven't had a chance to ask
Speaker 2: Starre gone for Christmas?
Speaker 1: So okay, so there, yeah, I'm here, I'm here, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: just to clarify a couple of terms for everybody else
Speaker 1: who's listening. So when when you do in a cabinet installation,
Speaker 1: the cabinet boxes go in, and then once all the
Speaker 1: boxes are in place, the base cabinet boxes, plywood is
Speaker 1: put on top. It's what we call a subtop, because
Speaker 1: that's obviously not the countertop. What goes on top of
Speaker 1: the plywood is the stone or the tile or whatever
Speaker 1: it is that you got going on. Now you have
Speaker 1: inset cabinets, which is very nice, very very old school,
Speaker 1: very nice, which is that the doors and drawers do
Speaker 1: not extend out from the face frame of the cabinets,
Speaker 1: but they actually recess in and flush themselves with the
Speaker 1: face frame of the cabinet. So you have no overhanging
Speaker 1: projecting doors and drawers on these base cabinets. It's just
Speaker 1: one plane coming down the face of the cabinet box.
Speaker 1: Of course you've got knobs and such, but no overhang.
Speaker 1: The typical typical countertop overhang for typical cabinets, which is
Speaker 1: the cabinet face plus doors and drawers. That typical overhang
Speaker 1: is about inch and a quarter to an inch and
Speaker 1: a half of the actual stone and or tile overhanging
Speaker 1: because the cabinet doors themselves are coming out another three
Speaker 1: quarter plus inches, and then you've got another half inch
Speaker 1: to three cords of an inch overhang protecting all of that.
Speaker 1: In your case, it won't be overhanging that much because
Speaker 1: your insect. But the rule still applies. But here's where
Speaker 1: it gets tricky. It all depends on the configuration of
Speaker 1: that og edge. If you're doing a double a double
Speaker 1: laminated edge in other words, instead of just one layer
Speaker 1: of stone at about seven eighths of an inch thick
Speaker 1: coming out and having its little finished edge, it sounds
Speaker 1: like you're planning on you've got a double lamination. In
Speaker 1: other words, another piece of stone is going to be
Speaker 1: put on the bottom there to make the appearance of
Speaker 1: a big, built up thick edge. It all depends on,
Speaker 1: you know how, if we're hanging over let's say an
Speaker 1: inch okay, which would be kind of typical three cords
Speaker 1: of an inch to an inch of hanging over a
Speaker 1: an inset cabinet face, if the builder has insight from
Speaker 1: the stone people that hey, we need more than just
Speaker 1: one inch square piece to laminate there. It needs to
Speaker 1: be deeper. That may be the reason why the subtop
Speaker 1: has been held back a little bit in order to
Speaker 1: give more room for the bottom lamination stone to kind
Speaker 1: of nestle in to the top. But I will tell
Speaker 1: you that's not common at all, and so typically we
Speaker 1: will just run the full subtop right over to the
Speaker 1: face of the cabinet. So I can't tell you definitively
Speaker 1: that somebody did something wrong, but I can tell you
Speaker 1: you just got to ask the question to have no
Speaker 1: one go any further until that question gets answered, because
Speaker 1: there is a bit of a strength sacrifice by holding
Speaker 1: the subtok back. Quite often, once in a blue moon,
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, Jony, once in a blue
Speaker 1: moon when we have to do that because of the
Speaker 1: nature of the countertop material itself, right when we have
Speaker 1: to provide a larger notch, what we will do is
Speaker 1: we will put yet another piece of wood underneath the
Speaker 1: subtop that supports that free floating subtop edge and connect
Speaker 1: to the front face of the cabinet regardless. Okay, ideally
Speaker 1: you want a solid connection to the front cabinet face
Speaker 1: all along the front, whether or not the subtop is
Speaker 1: being held back or not. I hope we just didn't
Speaker 1: lose everybody in all of that terminology, but that's kind
Speaker 1: of you did.
Speaker 4: At all no, okay, yeah, yeah, And I have no
Speaker 4: idea why they did what they did so and it's
Speaker 4: the cabinet makers too.
Speaker 2: It's not the fall off the stone many.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just just find out, say, hey, what's the
Speaker 1: deal here and uh and you know they'll let you
Speaker 1: know what's going on.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: And a farmhouse SYNC should be level with the subtop.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: If it's an inset, yeah, if it's an undermount farmhouse SYNC,
Speaker 1: then yes, it gets set level with the subtops so
Speaker 1: that the stone goes over and just rolls over the sink.
Speaker 4: Yeah, proud, Yeah, yeah, Okay, I'm gonna have.
Speaker 1: To front yes, that's the nature of it. But as
Speaker 1: far as as it being underneath the countertop from the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, okay, okay, Well, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You are so very welcome. Thanks for the call. Good
Speaker 1: luck with all of that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: One last thing I'm gonna toss in there. I don't
Speaker 1: know if y'all kind of picked that up, but when
Speaker 1: you typically look at a stone countertop face, not a
Speaker 1: lot of people realize this that you know, the stone
Speaker 1: slab that comes from the stone yard is only three
Speaker 1: quarter well three get it's more like seven eighths of
Speaker 1: an inch thick usually between depending on the kind of stone,
Speaker 1: it could be anywhere from seven eights to an inch
Speaker 1: thick stone. That's not that full, big fat countertop edge
Speaker 1: that you see there. What happens is we take that
Speaker 1: stone and then we'll take a slice of it off
Speaker 1: that front edge and we'll put it up underneath. We'll
Speaker 1: epoxyate laminated underneath, and then whatever kind of nosing of
Speaker 1: edging that you want. And there's twenty different kinds of
Speaker 1: edging that we can do there. But the idea is
Speaker 1: that we're giving the illusion that that stone is closer
Speaker 1: to two inches thick, when in reality it's just two pieces.
Speaker 1: And the quality of the install of that stone, by
Speaker 1: the way, has to do with whether we're hiding the scene. Okay,
Speaker 1: any cheaper done countertops you can look on the face
Speaker 1: and you're like, well look, and I can see the
Speaker 1: line where they glued it together. That's kind of a
Speaker 1: fail for us. We never do it that way. We
Speaker 1: either mter from the top corner down so that we
Speaker 1: have no visible seam on the face, or if it's
Speaker 1: like what Jonie was talking about, what's called an og
Speaker 1: or a double og edge. The scene can get hidden
Speaker 1: in the details of the carving, of the fun of
Speaker 1: the counter. So there you go. Did that make sense?
Speaker 1: Am I making sense to people? I know it's very technical,
Speaker 1: but just I know there are a lot of you out
Speaker 1: there like, oh, okay, I get it. Now, run to
Speaker 1: your kitchen right now and check out your countertop and
Speaker 1: decide whether you know how it rates? All right, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. By the time you come back, we'll
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean thanks.
Speaker 5: Got a question. A total house rebuild. And in the rebuild,
Speaker 5: the guys doing installation put in ceiling which I'm not
Speaker 5: sure if I should call him on it or not.
Speaker 5: There's a vaulted ceiling in the house, but the bedrooms
Speaker 5: and kitchen are all lower, I mean eight foot ceilings,
Speaker 5: and they put insulation in the ceilings of all the
Speaker 5: rooms except the kitchen, where they put it in the
Speaker 5: rafters by the roof instead. Is that a problem? Does
Speaker 5: that affect heating and cooling or what?
Speaker 1: Okay, so the ceiling in the kitchen is an eight
Speaker 1: foot ceiling. Yeah, so they didn't put the insulation in
Speaker 1: the ceiling, they put it up in the rafters. Did
Speaker 1: they explain why?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, okay, And that that area, the area directly above
Speaker 1: the kitchen, that area of attic, does it connect to
Speaker 1: other areas of attic open attic space?
Speaker 5: The attic is all connected. Yeah, it connected all across
Speaker 5: the bedrooms in the kitchen, that's all like attic area.
Speaker 1: All right. So if I crawl through the attic or
Speaker 1: walk through the attic, whatever the case may be, if
Speaker 1: I get up in the attic, then I've got insulation
Speaker 1: down on the floor of the attic until I get
Speaker 1: over the kitchen then and all of a sudden it's
Speaker 1: up above in the roof rafter. Right, you're correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not cool. Oh what is that effect?
Speaker 3: How does that change things?
Speaker 1: Well, what it is is that your attic is an
Speaker 1: unconditioned space. Okay. The whole reason we're insulating on the
Speaker 1: surface of the ceiling is that we want to keep
Speaker 1: the conditioned space, the conditioned air, meaning whatever we've heated
Speaker 1: or whatever we've cooled in the house. We want to
Speaker 1: keep those temperatures there, okay, and so and not in
Speaker 1: the attic. We don't share conditioned temperatures, you know, controlled
Speaker 1: temperatures with the attic space. It's it's cut off, it's
Speaker 1: a separate space. It's technically kind of outside the house
Speaker 1: in essence, so we need that diaphragm of insulation to
Speaker 1: be complete over the whole thing, and so as it
Speaker 1: is right now, That's why I asked if it was
Speaker 1: if it's been isolated in the attic with other walls
Speaker 1: and things in the attic, then if the if the
Speaker 1: kitchen area or the area above the kitchen is isolated
Speaker 1: from the rest of the attic space, then that could
Speaker 1: be fine, because what we ultimately need is insulation above
Speaker 1: the kitchen. But the fact that the kitchen ceiling has
Speaker 1: that that heat and cool that's down below in there
Speaker 1: can just soak right through unimpeded by insulation into the
Speaker 1: attic and vice versa. It's essentially it's a hole. It's
Speaker 1: a hole in your insulation. And so so that insulation
Speaker 1: needs to be down over the kitchen ceiling as well, period,
Speaker 1: because you need a blanket of insulation that seals up
Speaker 1: the house. So it's kind of a hole in the
Speaker 1: hull of the boat. The fact that the insulation is
Speaker 1: up in the at in the rafter space above the
Speaker 1: kitchen that's meaningless that it's not doing anything up there. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's just it's literally not doing anything. It needs to
Speaker 1: be down on the surface with the rest of the
Speaker 1: insulation in the attic. O.
Speaker 5: Good, Okay, thanks, I'll get them a change.
Speaker 1: It, get them on it. Thanks Wayne, great question, Bertie.
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Speaker 1: We are right in the middle of an all calls
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, this Sunday before Christmas, twenty twenty four. I
Speaker 1: want to go back to the phones. I just closed
Speaker 1: my laptop here. All right, let's talk to Dennis. Hey, Dennis,
Speaker 1: welcome home.
Speaker 6: Hello, Hello.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I've got a nineteen eighties track home attached
Speaker 3: to car garage. The original roof was shake and it's
Speaker 3: been replaced. It's got hard war or it's got plywood
Speaker 3: on it now and that's dasspall and it's got of
Speaker 3: ribs rafters twenty two twenty four inches apart.
Speaker 1: Yep, how much.
Speaker 3: Weight can I put up there? What I'm looking at
Speaker 3: doing is I've got one hundred pounds hard top on
Speaker 3: on the car that's detachable, and I want to ratchet
Speaker 3: it up and get it up off the car and
Speaker 3: off the floor.
Speaker 1: Right right? Got it? What size are the rafters are?
Speaker 1: You're giving me all the specs except the depth of
Speaker 1: the rafters themselves. Is this a trust system? Two by
Speaker 1: six and.
Speaker 3: One and a half by six? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're two by six, they're five
Speaker 1: and a half inches deep, inch and a half wide,
Speaker 1: and they're set at twenty four inches on center. Now
Speaker 1: your your garage roof? Is it? Is it? Is there
Speaker 1: a ridge running over the roof? Or are they just
Speaker 1: an extension of the house roof? What's when I look
Speaker 1: up in your garage?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a peaked roof and or there's no structure
Speaker 3: above it. There's no house or room or anything above it.
Speaker 1: All right, so the garage has its own roof and
Speaker 1: uh and the ridge the ridge line is running right
Speaker 1: down the center of the garage. Two car garage correct? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: one hundred pounds of one hundred pounds here here it is.
Speaker 1: I'm playing structural engineer on the radio. One hundred pounds
Speaker 1: of of load there in one particular spot, connected well
Speaker 1: to the rafters, should be no problem whatsoever, No problem whatsoever. Okay, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: if everything you described, don't don't call me back later
Speaker 1: with a lawsuit. Okay, Uh, if your description is not
Speaker 1: is not as accurate. But here's the thing. A two okay,
Speaker 1: A two x six laying flat, just running purely horizontally
Speaker 1: spanning let's say ten feet, okay, in other words, free
Speaker 1: spanning ten feet. A two x six is rated for
Speaker 1: somewhere in the area of thirty pounds per square foot
Speaker 1: of live load on top of it. I mean it
Speaker 1: will hold a lot. And so yours are at an
Speaker 1: angle at that that helps because roof rafters at an
Speaker 1: angle they handle load differently. They are well supported by
Speaker 1: the ridge itself. And so the point is this. You know,
Speaker 1: I weigh over two hundred pounds, and I can crawl
Speaker 1: up on your roof, up on top of your roof
Speaker 1: without it bending, deflecting, or me falling through. Right, So
Speaker 1: you attach hid, Yeah, you attaching a hunt in fact,
Speaker 1: in fact, not just me. I could get me and
Speaker 1: ten of my friends up there are entire roofing crew
Speaker 1: all standing on your garage roof, and none of us
Speaker 1: are worried about falling falling through. And all you're talking
Speaker 1: about is lifting a one hundred pound detachable you know,
Speaker 1: hardtop up on a winch so that you can store
Speaker 1: it in there. I'm saying, you got no problem.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, Yeah. What I've also done is I've got
Speaker 3: two pieces of angle iron attached together and then others
Speaker 3: bolted to a jacent ribs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to distribute the weight. The best way
Speaker 1: to do it is to distribute the weight among as
Speaker 1: many of the rafters as possible. So as you set
Speaker 1: your winch up, instead of just bolting it to a
Speaker 1: single rafter, you know, you just attach it to as
Speaker 1: many of the rafters as near to the center of
Speaker 1: the garage where the ridge is as possible. That's your
Speaker 1: strongest connection and distributing the weight, distributing weight among all
Speaker 1: of the members there. Dennis, good luck on that. It's
Speaker 1: going to work out just fine. And thanks for the call,
Speaker 1: and thanks for the question. I'm gonna sneak another one
Speaker 1: in here. But let's see where are we at Where
Speaker 1: there was some oh lydia Lydia, Welcome home, Good.
Speaker 8: Morning, Dean. I have a question that's been posa think
Speaker 8: a few times to you or you've explained it, but
Speaker 8: I'm not sure if my problem applies or I have
Speaker 8: a problem where we did a remodel box and extension
Speaker 8: about twenty in twenty two, so it's been a couple
Speaker 8: of years. Immediately the shower, I thought the water went
Speaker 8: like hot and cold.
Speaker 6: Now we did go from a regular.
Speaker 8: Tank heater to a tank less and this is a
Speaker 8: direct vent tankless waters heater.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't know what information you need, but anyhow, it
Speaker 8: goes from hot too cold. I mean, it takes a
Speaker 8: long time compared to what it used to to get hot.
Speaker 6: In my opinion, right, and then it.
Speaker 8: Goes where it begins to get warm and then excuse me,
Speaker 8: and then it goes cold again and have wait like
Speaker 8: fifteen seconds in the middle of a shower for it
Speaker 8: to get hot again.
Speaker 6: So, okay, I know you mentioned.
Speaker 8: Like a recirculation pump and a bridge.
Speaker 1: Now, but there's actually two things. We're actually talking about
Speaker 1: two different things there, Okay, So okay, first let's talk
Speaker 1: about the the the going cold on you situation. Okay,
Speaker 1: the going cold on your situation. Are you aware that
Speaker 1: of any other water being run when it does it
Speaker 1: always do this, no matter, no matter whether it's the
Speaker 1: old water that's running in the house, or does it
Speaker 1: go cold on you because somebody else turns a faucet
Speaker 1: on somewhere else or something like that.
Speaker 6: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 5: I'm home.
Speaker 8: My husband's a fireman, so he's often you know, away
Speaker 8: from home, and so I can be home alone.
Speaker 6: I'm not running anything. So I mean, I've looked at.
Speaker 8: That, you know, But no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: That was the most important answer to the question. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you that you need to have somebody look at
Speaker 1: that water heater. Okay, because a water heater should be
Speaker 1: a tankless water heater should be putting out out, putting
Speaker 1: a consistent temperature all the way through. It should not
Speaker 1: be dipping. There may be something wrong with a setting.
Speaker 1: There may be a problem with a thermo coupler or
Speaker 1: a thermostat inside the water heater. There may be an
Speaker 1: issue with gas supplied to the water heater. I literally,
Speaker 1: it could be you know, one of ten different things
Speaker 1: or a couple of different things. And I know it's
Speaker 1: only a couple of years old, but you said you
Speaker 1: were having the issue right from the get go, So
Speaker 1: it is time to have somebody take a serious look
Speaker 1: at the water heater because that is not normal and
Speaker 1: that's not related to the house. Quite often, the reason
Speaker 1: I asked the question is that quite often when it
Speaker 1: comes to tankless water heaters, a homeowner will pick one
Speaker 1: out for themselves, or a plumber will will pick one out,
Speaker 1: or plumbers usually don't make this mistake, but they'll pick
Speaker 1: one out that is undersized for the home. Undersized meaning
Speaker 1: that you know, the idea of picking a tankless water
Speaker 1: heater is all about how many hot water things do
Speaker 1: you want running all at the same time, and that
Speaker 1: therefore you get a water heater that's capable of that
Speaker 1: kind of an output, so that if you're taking a
Speaker 1: hot shower and then somebody starts doing the dishes, running
Speaker 1: the dishwasher, and the laundry, that that water heater has
Speaker 1: got enough hot running through it that it can supply
Speaker 1: to all of them without the temperature dropping. Typically, when
Speaker 1: a tankless water heater is dropping in temperature right in
Speaker 1: the middle of something, it's because another faucet has been
Speaker 1: turned on, and therefore now it's having to share its
Speaker 1: hot water load with another fixture, and the water heater
Speaker 1: isn't big enough sized enough for volume to be able
Speaker 1: to handle it. And that's a problem with the selection
Speaker 1: of the water heater. But in your case, no other
Speaker 1: hot water is running anywhere else in the house, and
Speaker 1: it's still losing temperature. That's a problem with the water
Speaker 1: heater itself. Now, very quickly, let me answer your other
Speaker 1: question and the question of because it's a completely separate issue.
Speaker 1: Tankless water heaters are endless hot water. They are not
Speaker 1: instant hot water because the hot water still has to
Speaker 1: travel the distance from the water heater to get to
Speaker 1: the faucet that or the shower head that is being used.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, there are ways of getting around that
Speaker 1: recirculation pump bridge valve underneath the furthest sink away from
Speaker 1: the water heater in the house. But just so people know,
Speaker 1: and it is true to a certain degree, some old
Speaker 1: schoolers are like, I'm not going for that tankless thing
Speaker 1: because my old tanked water heater delivered hot water faster. Well,
Speaker 1: technically it doesn't deliver hot water faster. The water moves
Speaker 1: at the same speed from the water heater to the faucet,
Speaker 1: but a tanked water heater is sitting there heating water
Speaker 1: all day long, So therefore that heat travels a little
Speaker 1: bit further down the pipe because it's constantly heating it,
Speaker 1: whereas a tank less water heater only heats on demand,
Speaker 1: and because it's not doing any heating of the water,
Speaker 1: the hot water in the water lines in between the
Speaker 1: water heater and the faucet have a chance to cool
Speaker 1: down further, so the water's traveling the same speed. The
Speaker 1: hot water is taking just as long to get there,
Speaker 1: but residual hot water from a tanked water heater is
Speaker 1: a little closer to the faucet. This is absolutely true,
Speaker 1: but that's something that you can overcome design wise with
Speaker 1: a recirculation pump or a research pump. At the very
Speaker 1: very end, they're not very expensive these days, and they'll
Speaker 1: help draw that hot water in throughout the rest of
Speaker 1: the house. That's something to consider lydia when you're having
Speaker 1: a plumber look at the situation. But most importantly, what's
Speaker 1: happening to you with this ducking of a water temperature
Speaker 1: in the middle of a shower when no other hot
Speaker 1: water is being used in the house. That's a problem
Speaker 1: with the water heater itself and somebody needs to take
Speaker 1: a look at it. Lydia, thank you for your question
Speaker 1: and your call. Awesome, awesome. This is why we do
Speaker 1: this because we just hit a full gambit across the board.
Speaker 1: When we come back, more of your calls your Home
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Speaker 1: It's an all calls weekend. We are just taking your calls.
Speaker 1: You set the agenda about what the show is, what's
Speaker 1: going on today. So I want to get back to
Speaker 1: the phones. Let's see here. Let's talk to Sal. Hey, Sal, welcome.
Speaker 6: Home, Hey Dean, how are you?
Speaker 1: I am well, sir, how are you?
Speaker 6: I'm one of your groupies.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, great.
Speaker 6: I'm in my fourth house in here in La. My
Speaker 6: first house was a balloon construction. You ever seen one
Speaker 6: of those?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 6: My first house was the nineteen twenties Colonial. I could
Speaker 6: walk the stairwell all the way up to the attic.
Speaker 1: That's brilliant, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 6: I tend to buy houses in great neighborhoods but need
Speaker 6: a lot of work.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I get you. I feel it. I feel it.
Speaker 6: And the one I'm in now, great house, a great neighborhood.
Speaker 6: Trying to deal with the front doors, original front doors,
Speaker 6: French doors with sidelights. Yeah, and I get confusing quotes.
Speaker 6: Every contractor is different. I'm thinking I wanted to just
Speaker 6: replace the slabs, and they say they can't do it.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to look for types of manufacturers. It's it's hard.
Speaker 6: I can't It's not like a Chevy or Ford. You know,
Speaker 6: you can't compare. So I wanted to get some opinions
Speaker 6: whether or not to just try to change the slabs,
Speaker 6: you know, in the seventies home with you know the frame,
Speaker 6: you know, the door on the top it's a little off,
Speaker 6: and they're saying it's not going to be level. We
Speaker 6: have to just do pre hung. But the whole front
Speaker 6: unit is built into the house, and I wanted to
Speaker 6: keep the integrity and just change the slabs and the sidelights.
Speaker 6: What do you what do you think? What do you
Speaker 6: think is my best option?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we got double doors, double doors
Speaker 1: and sidelights, Yes, sir, okay, double doors and sidelights, and
Speaker 1: so you're not confused as to the style that you're
Speaker 1: going for, right, You're just going to go with the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. It's like a little bit modernist slab door
Speaker 1: or is it a different style.
Speaker 6: Well, the glass is like this frosted yellow with like
Speaker 6: a diamond pattern in it, and it's you know, it's
Speaker 6: on the top half of the door, and but on
Speaker 6: one side of the door, the frame is off centered
Speaker 6: a little bit on the top jam to accommodate the
Speaker 6: linement of the of the glass. So they're saying, because
Speaker 6: of that, I can't just change I can't change the
Speaker 6: slabs because we're going to end up shaving it and
Speaker 6: it's going to be off again like the original door is.
Speaker 6: And I thought maybe I could just change the slabs
Speaker 6: and the jams and the winterizing, you know, the weather
Speaker 6: stripping and all that. They don't want to, you know,
Speaker 6: put in the work. They just want to change the
Speaker 6: you know, do a pre hung system. But that's you know,
Speaker 6: we're getting into almost ten grand now.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, all right, my friend.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. It can be done. Of course,
Speaker 1: it can be done. And so the situation that you're
Speaker 1: in right now is uh, you know, and I grow weary.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't grow weary answering this question. I
Speaker 1: grow weary of giving this answer because I wish I
Speaker 1: didn't have to. But you're just going to need to
Speaker 1: search longer for the right builder to do the job. Okay,
Speaker 1: because of course it can be done. Of course we
Speaker 1: can change out the jam and you can buy you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go with a pre hung situation
Speaker 1: where it's all been just factory put together. Of course,
Speaker 1: it can be custom installed and in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways it might end up saving you money along the way.
Speaker 1: Plus you get exactly what you want. Now. If there's
Speaker 1: some weird jam condition that can be resolved too, okay,
Speaker 1: everything can be fixed. Everything can be fixed. It is
Speaker 1: just a question these days of there are so many
Speaker 1: builders out there who and believe me, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I feel for them too. Construction is no is
Speaker 1: you know, is no get rich quick scheme. It really isn't.
Speaker 1: And the guys who use it that way, they usually
Speaker 1: like end up in jail. But it's just it's tough
Speaker 1: because people want what they want and they want it
Speaker 1: for an unbelievably low price, and people have to really
Speaker 1: put the effort into it in order to get good work.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying an unbelievable low price, but just the
Speaker 6: fact that, you know, everybody's quotation and manufactured representations are different.
Speaker 6: So it's very hard to choose.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's why. And you're in a good situation
Speaker 1: to do that website. Yeah, I can feel this, I
Speaker 1: can feel the vibe that you're in the right situation
Speaker 1: to do this. What you got to do is you
Speaker 1: have to take control of the situation. In other words,
Speaker 1: your best bet, I think from what I'm hearing from you,
Speaker 1: your best bet is to choose your doors. Okay, now
Speaker 1: what does that mean. Well, once you know the style
Speaker 1: of the door that you want, right, then you just
Speaker 1: shop out that style of door. And yeah, they're going
Speaker 1: to be varying price points for that style of door,
Speaker 1: but you make that selection. You make the selection of
Speaker 1: the door that you want to go in that unit
Speaker 1: at the price point that you are comfortable of paying.
Speaker 1: There are a good billion doors out there, I know,
Speaker 1: and it can seem very very overwhelming. But first thing
Speaker 1: we do is we eliminate you know, ninety eight percent
Speaker 1: of them. Because we've chosen the style, the specific style
Speaker 1: that you want, and within that category, you locally shop
Speaker 1: out what it is that you're looking for. Is it
Speaker 1: going to be a standard solid wood slab door and
Speaker 1: that's going to be at one price. Is it going
Speaker 1: to be a fiberglass resin door. Is it going to
Speaker 1: be a steeled you know, all of these choices that
Speaker 1: we've got, you can narrow that down right, forget about
Speaker 1: the manufacturers, just looking at price point and the construction
Speaker 1: of the door. Then you pick out those doors, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: these are the two doors that I'm going to use,
Speaker 1: and these are the sidelights that I'd like to see.
Speaker 1: And then then you start showing contractors. Listen, here are
Speaker 1: the doors, these are the sidelights. There's the opening. I
Speaker 1: want you to make it work. And some guys are
Speaker 1: going to walk away saying, ah, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: do that. Other guys are going to give you that
Speaker 1: BS statement that I hear all the time. It can't
Speaker 1: be done. It just means that they don't want to
Speaker 1: do it and they're not used to doing it at
Speaker 1: their convenience level for a profit. And that's fine too.
Speaker 1: You can let them walk. I just hate the fact
Speaker 1: that they say it can't be done. I'd rather a
Speaker 1: contractor just tell you that goes beyond what we normally do,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to do it. But to tell
Speaker 1: people a thing can't be done, that's not the world
Speaker 1: that I live in as a builder or a designer.
Speaker 1: So get you take control of your materials and you
Speaker 1: say these are the doors I want to use, here's
Speaker 1: the configuration that I want. Give me a price accordingly,
Speaker 1: and if you look long enough and you take your time,
Speaker 1: sal you're going to find guys who are going to
Speaker 1: give you prices, and you'll see that those prices will
Speaker 1: start to align themselves and you'll be able to choose
Speaker 1: the person to do the work for you and get
Speaker 1: it done the right way. It's a tough situation because
Speaker 1: when homeowners are ignorant of sort of how the process goes,
Speaker 1: then you know you're trusting a contractor to come in
Speaker 1: who has a vested interest in one direction or another,
Speaker 1: honest or otherwise, to give you all the information that's
Speaker 1: kind of the value of this. Well, because I don't
Speaker 1: have a vested interest in your homes. I'm just here
Speaker 1: to give you my honest opinion and perspective and experience,
Speaker 1: and so you end up getting more information because I'm
Speaker 1: here to teach and to assist you and to inform you.
Speaker 1: Somebody else shows up at your door in order to
Speaker 1: make money, and if the situation starts veering away from
Speaker 1: what they are comfortable doing, their formula of how they
Speaker 1: approach things, then homeowners end up hearing, oh, it can't
Speaker 1: be done, and you get the wrong information in the
Speaker 1: wrong impression. So find the doors you want, the style
Speaker 1: you want, the price points you want, find the sidelights
Speaker 1: that you want. That's going to take effort, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's effort well worth it because in the end you're
Speaker 1: telling the contractor it's these doors, it's this glass, it's
Speaker 1: that opening, give me a price and you'll find them.
Speaker 1: I promise you you'll find them. You just have to
Speaker 1: look a little further than normal. Soal, thanks for the call, buddy,
Speaker 1: and hang in there, and thanks for being such a
Speaker 1: fan of the show. Appreciate you, Appreciate everybody, all right,
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