WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and on with Cliff and Bobo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.279 These guys, are you fav It's so like say subscribe 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.240 and raid it. 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.280 Live Stock and. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:25.359 Greatest on Yesterday listening watching limb always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.119 Hello, Bobo, what's going on? Man? I want yourself Cliff, 8 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:36.560 nothing man, just living life, doing the thing, you know, 9 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.119 doing the museum deal, working out all the weekends now 10 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:41.520 until we get a We're gonna put feelers out for 11 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.600 a new employee. Anybody listening wants to apply to the 12 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:47.719 North American VIC the Center to be a cashier. Feel free. 13 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:50.000 It's a weekend gig. The pay is low, but the 14 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:52.159 benefits are high. And I don't mean like health or 15 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:56.000 anything like that. Health are a retirement. I mean Squatch benefits. 16 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:58.000 Lots and lots of stuff going on there all the time. 17 00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:59.960 You were going to learn a lot. But for most 18 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.200 superoroking looking for weekend coverage at this point. So I 19 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.439 am there every weekend. Anybody wants to come in and 20 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:07.719 say hello to me and tell me how great the 21 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.239 podcast is. Feel free do it on a Saturday or Sunday. 22 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.519 Call it Bigfoot College, and you charge him to come 23 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:13.519 there and do that stuff. 24 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:16.640 Right, We don't pay you. You pay us. You give 25 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.200 us your time. You get to work the cashier at 26 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:20.159 a Bigfoot museum. 27 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.120 You know that. That reminded me of you saying this. 28 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:27.120 I lurk on a few online forums and I saw one. 29 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:29.239 There was a thread that was I met Cliff from 30 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:31.359 Finding Bigfoot, and the poster said, my wife and I 31 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:33.560 were out in Sandy, Oregon today and saw a unique 32 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:35.400 museum next to a pub. I think it was called 33 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.319 the North American Bigfoot Museum or close. Walked in, paid 34 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:40.640 the fee, We got to talking to the guy behind 35 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.280 the counter, and damn, this guy was a bigfoot genius. 36 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:45.120 I asked why in the hell he wasn't hosting a 37 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.560 TV show. He looked at me, smiled and said I 38 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.000 did for like eight years. My jaw hit the floor. 39 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.680 Super nice guy, and I can't say enough nice things. 40 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:54.159 If you're out that way, check it out. 41 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:54.840 Cool. 42 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:58.120 Later in the thread, someone says he has a podcast 43 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.959 with Bobo called Bigfoot and Beyond. It actually my favorite 44 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.000 bigfoot podcast, and another person or the original poster replied 45 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.159 and said, listen to my first episode on the way home. 46 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.479 It was hooked for an hour. Another person replied and 47 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.520 said Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo, And then 48 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.199 another person replied and said these guys are your favorites, 49 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.919 and another person you like share, subscribe and rate it 50 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.639 five stars. The final reply says, I'm so glad that 51 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:26.919 we've got pigeons in here. 52 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:30.280 That's great. 53 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:31.840 That's really funny. 54 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.039 That warmed the heart for sure, that's great. 55 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:39.360 Yeah, they're probably listening now. So if you did that, 56 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.520 that's awesome. I love it. I love it. I love 57 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.159 leaving the pigeons continue to leave Easter eggs all over 58 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.639 the place. Well, other museum news, Bobo, you sure you're 59 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.599 not coming up for the gig here Matt Prut speaking 60 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.759 gig because we sold out of Matt Pruit tickets in 61 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.840 less than one day, like seven hours after I put 62 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.439 them up. All of the in person tickets were sold. Now, 63 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.120 mind you, I only put them out there for museum members. 64 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.560 And then, don't get me wrong, podcast members, I love 65 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.840 you too, But you know, this is a museum event 66 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.400 and museum is hosting it, and we're doing a thing 67 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:13.719 at the museum. It's a museum event. So I put 68 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:14.919 it out to the museum members. 69 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:15.240 First. 70 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.759 They grabbed every single ticket for in person stuff with 71 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.039 Matt Pruitt, Bobs, I would encourage you to consider coming up. 72 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.599 I know that you have schedule obligations and stuff like that, 73 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.639 but you know, something goes sideways. We're up there with 74 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:29.800 open arms, so come on up. 75 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.919 Look before you answer that, Bobo, let's not I have 76 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.560 no delusions of grand or here. I think the reason 77 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.199 those sold so quickly is because when we talked about it, 78 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.280 Bobo said multiple times that he might be there. I 79 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:45.639 think that's probably that's a much more likely reason that 80 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.199 people want to be there then that I'm going to 81 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.120 be there. I think people are like, oh, Bobo might 82 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:52.080 be there, and that's why they're so if Bobo now 83 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:55.599 says I'm definitely not going, did maybe a lot of 84 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:57.159 people ask for refunds. 85 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.560 No, No, if you can, it'd be great to see it. 86 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.960 Oh, thanks, But I mean Pruit's still over two thousand books. 87 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:06.479 I mean, there's there's a lot of people that want 88 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:07.120 to see pru It. 89 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:09.400 Whether you make it or not, Bobo, anybody who does 90 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:10.879 show up is going to see a lot of people 91 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:12.439 that they have heard and read about it. I'm going 92 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:15.039 to tell you what names I have verified are coming. 93 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.759 But there are some Bigfoot royalty showing up so and 94 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.519 probably a good handful of them. So Matt Pruit's maybe 95 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.560 on the pedestal that evening, but there's a lot of 96 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.199 people gathered around looking up at them. 97 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:28.759 So I think we should have like a life size 98 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.560 cardboard cutout of Bobo and just put an iPad where 99 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.680 the face is and have Bobo live stream and we'll 100 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.399 just walk that around with us. 101 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:37.600 My god, why don't I have a life size cut 102 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.720 out of Bobo in the museum? What have I done 103 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:40.839 with my life? Do not have that? 104 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:43.720 Just put an iPad on it and so like he can, 105 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.199 he can FaceTime with his face there, So it's like 106 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.759 you can walk up and talk to Bobo in person. 107 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.639 Oh wow, Matt, you might know this. Are there AI 108 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:52.959 that can simulate voices? 109 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:53.160 There? 110 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.360 Probably are, right, Yeah, of course there are. Let's get 111 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:58.319 one and make Bobo say ridiculous things. 112 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.240 I don't think you could properly try a large language 113 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.000 model on Bobo. I think Bobo's too vast to be 114 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:05.639 captured by zeros and ones. 115 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.279 Thank you, brutt How do you capture growls and zeros 116 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:16.720 and ones stomach growls. That's not what I was thinking of, 117 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:20.519 but that's funnier. So this week is a topical episode 118 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.319 where we kind of go through in our regular lives 119 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:26.360 and keep up on the news in various ways. Anytime 120 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.319 we see an article that Bobo, Matt and I just 121 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.759 we see an article that may pertain to something to 122 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.319 do with bigfoot that we think is interesting, we send 123 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.639 it in and Matt Brute compiles all of these and 124 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:39.319 once every month or two or three or blue moon 125 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.600 or whatever, we get together and we talk about the 126 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.600 articles and kind of share them and our thoughts on them, 127 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.839 why they're important, and what we can learn from them 128 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.959 or anything like that. So we've got a handful of 129 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:52.360 them tied up today, so let's see what we can 130 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.600 do with them. Bobo, would you like to choose one? 131 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:56.360 Or Matt would you like to choose one to start with? 132 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:58.560 Oh, let Matt take the autors. 133 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:00.680 I think it'd be good to start with the one 134 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.079 point five million year old fossilized footprint find because a 135 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.439 lot of our listeners sent that one in as well, 136 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:08.600 So you had sent it in as soon as it 137 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.720 posted online because it's obviously right up your alley and 138 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.079 the alley of the discussions of this podcast. But I 139 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.480 think a lot of listeners had the same idea because 140 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.040 multiple people sent this in. 141 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.279 That was a particularly interesting one to me. I really 142 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.439 really liked it because I'm not only a footprint footprint guy, 143 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.759 I'm a hayleeu anthropology guy. I really really like that 144 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.560 sort of thing. And you know, of course, the lea 145 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.720 totally footprints are the most the most common widely known footprints, 146 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:38.680 fossilized footprints of hominin's. They doctor Meldrerim wrote an article 147 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.199 on those, pointing out the evidence from midfoot flexibility and 148 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.319 all that sort of stuff. And then so when any 149 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.399 any other footprints fossilized footprint stuff show up, I am 150 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:49.639 always looking at them. I'm always trying to find pictures 151 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.240 of the footprints to see do they show evidence of 152 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:57.519 mid tarsl flexibility. And this one, this was such an 153 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:03.240 interesting article to me because not only were fossilized hominin 154 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:08.079 footprints found, but two different species were found in the 155 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:10.680 same fossilized you know, river bed or lake bed or 156 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.040 whatever it was, silt bed anyway, two different species of 157 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.519 hominin of human ancestors were found living at the same 158 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:21.720 time in the same place. In fact, the scientists in 159 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:27.040 this particular find are pretty sure that these footprints were 160 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.279 not only found at the same place, but basically laid 161 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.079 down within a few hours to a few days apart. 162 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.000 And that is based on an analysis of the silt. 163 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.439 And it's not silt, it's rock now, but it was silt. 164 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:42.759 But you know, by looking at the rock they can 165 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:44.480 learn a lot about the silt. The silt would have 166 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.720 been washed over one another, but apparently they stepped in 167 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:49.439 such a way, maybe on top of each other or 168 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:53.000 so close to another, that the silt was actually like 169 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:56.000 if it had been left, say a month, almost certainly 170 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:57.839 some silt would have washed in and washed a lot 171 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:59.839 of these away. That was not the case in the 172 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:05.079 so we have very strong evidence that two different species 173 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.560 walk through this area within a few easily within a 174 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:10.720 few days of one another. Now a few days might 175 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:13.040 be a week or something depending on weather conditions. Back then. 176 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.279 What was going on we know almost nothing about all this, 177 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.279 but it is super super interesting to me at least. 178 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.319 The two species, if you're wondering about it, were Homorectus 179 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.959 and a paranthropists, which you know got my eyebrows up 180 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.360 pretty quick there, because I'm I like the idea of 181 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.799 Sasquatch as possibly being a paranthropist of some sort, and 182 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:40.000 so whenever something like that pops up, I pay extra 183 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:44.360 close attention. But Homo erectus and paranthropists boise I specifically, 184 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.919 by the way, this is a paranthropist boise eye. These 185 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:51.360 two species are are pretty well known to be some 186 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:58.080 of the most successful hominin species ever basically outside of humans, 187 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.960 you know, especially during the Plsis epic, you know, the 188 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.600 era there, both of these species were very widely dispersed, 189 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.799 you know, particularly home Erectus. I mean home Erectus was 190 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:12.279 found all the way from Indonesia to Africa, you know, 191 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:17.679 so there was they were extraordinarily successful. Paranthropist boise has 192 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:21.120 only been found in Africa so far. But I wouldn't 193 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.320 be a bit surprised if they kind of wandered outside there, 194 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.440 you know, I wouldn't expect an archaic common in the 195 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.639 color within the lines, so to speak, you know. But 196 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:32.519 also something of note in this article as well is that, 197 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.519 you know, for the most part, most evidence of any 198 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:38.320 of these extinct species come from bones. You know, when 199 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.080 bones can kind of move around, Like if an animal 200 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.240 rots away and there's a pile of bones there, rain 201 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.559 can come and wash them away. Scavengers can move them 202 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.720 before or after the meat is rotten away. So footprints 203 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.960 are one of the only ways to actually study any 204 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:58.480 level of behavior that you can actually be sure of 205 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:02.360 in a way because fossilized bones before they were fossilized, 206 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.559 even after it could wash away and move probably pretty 207 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:08.799 good distances. But footprints don't do that. Footprints stay where 208 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.639 they were put. So I guess those are the big 209 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.159 three takeaways for me after this one is that two 210 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:17.080 hominin species lived at the same time and same place, 211 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.639 just like today, human beings are alive here, and sasquatches 212 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.720 are alive here, and probably some other critters over there 213 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:27.480 in Asia and Africa and Australian stuff. So humans are 214 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:31.840 not the only biped standing so to speak. That has 215 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:36.480 never been the case, I would argue. And second of all, 216 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:38.840 these things were found within a few hours of one another, 217 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.559 and it gives us a little bit of insight into 218 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.679 their behavior and how they walk as well. So pretty 219 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:46.799 cool stuff, man, pretty cool stuff. With this article. 220 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.000 I was excited about it, absolutely, I think given this 221 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.759 location there at Lake Turkana, which is sort of it's 222 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.000 eastern Africa, but it's sort of northeastern. You know, the 223 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:59.519 fossil record for paranthropists ends there around one point four 224 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.320 million year years ago, and so the younger fossils, the 225 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.240 ones that are more recent to us in time, like 226 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.799 zero point six million years ago roughly, are more southerly, 227 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.960 like South Africa, et cetera. So this was kind of 228 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.320 at the tail end of at least they're represented tenure 229 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.600 in the fossil record in eastern Africa. It at least 230 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.600 pos us some interesting questions like maybe the emergence of 231 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:26.080 something like Homo erectus on the scene created enough competitive pressure, 232 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:29.639 some sort of competition for resources that drove them out 233 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:31.320 of the air, because that's again right at the tail 234 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.720 end of when we see their fossil record dry up 235 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:35.879 in that part of Africa, which is really interesting. 236 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.240 You got to wonder how much Homeorectus and paranthropists would 237 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:44.080 have even competed, though what level competition because Homorectus, we 238 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:45.960 don't know if they were closed, we don't know if 239 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:47.720 they were hair covered or any of those sort of things, 240 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.039 but we do know they use fire and you know, 241 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.279 if they're using fire, that means they're probably using different 242 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:57.399 food sources cooking meat, for example. And the tool use 243 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.960 is probably vastly different as well. There's some evidence of 244 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.679 paranthropists probably used tools, but there's absolute evidence that home 245 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.440 Erectus did. So you got to wonder what those different 246 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.919 adaptations that they picked up along the way, how much 247 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.399 overlap there was, how much competition for various resources. There 248 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:15.080 had to be some, of course, you know, because there's 249 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:20.279 even competition today between Homo sapiens and sasquatches, you know, 250 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:23.200 for like deer for example, you know, the species that 251 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:27.000 humans like to hunt. They're those same species as sasquatches 252 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.480 like the you know, so you gotta figure there's probably some. 253 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.600 But I think that given the adaptations of like the 254 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.440 jaw and the teeth and the chewing apparatus and paranthropists, 255 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:42.000 they were probably going after largely different food items with 256 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:43.639 some overlap, I'd guess. 257 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.039 Oh, so that I would expect that there'd be some 258 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.720 degree of overlap. I just think it's interesting that you 259 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.639 have this cooccurrence that you can date in time that 260 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:55.200 immediately precedes the sort of end of their fossil record, 261 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.720 in that or the end of the paranthropene fossil record 262 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.360 in that area. So it doesn't mean necessarily that they're correlated, 263 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.000 but I think it at least poses a question. 264 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:06.240 It's interesting and super cool. 265 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:08.679 I think it's cool that they used three D scanning 266 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.840 and reproducing things in three D models as well, that 267 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.399 technology which we're using on a smaller scale. You know 268 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:16.600 with our phones that you would turn me on a 269 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.879 scan averse as an app to be used in the field. 270 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:21.919 And so I know three D scanning has been used 271 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.679 in fossil sites and to study tafonomy for quite a 272 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:27.639 long time, and there were three D scans even of 273 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.720 the Latoly site that some of those papers include that stuff. 274 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:33.840 But it's still cool to see that being used in 275 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:37.840 the fact that US squatchers are using a smaller scale 276 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:39.120 of that to some degree too. 277 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.440 Yeah, you know, looking at the photographs that accompanied this 278 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:45.360 article as well, these photographs of some of the prints 279 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.720 in the ground, I love them because obviously I'm a 280 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:50.679 kind of a footprint kind of guy, right, but a 281 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.559 lot of these if I saw a sasquatch cast like this, 282 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:57.720 maybe by now I'd be much more open to them. 283 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:59.559 But you know, ten years ago I would have said, 284 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:00.919 I had this look right to me, I think it 285 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:02.639 would fake. And of course you you threw it out 286 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.120 there to you know, a skeptic or someone who was 287 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:06.759 on the fence about it. They wouldn't think that these 288 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:10.320 footprints were real. These footprints and I'm looking at I 289 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.279 can like, for for some of these, I can go 290 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:17.120 through the data set and find three or four five 291 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:23.360 footprint casts that strongly resemble these, But there's no there's 292 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:25.159 no one's questioning that these have been hoaxed. 293 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.480 It would be cool, is if you could uh put 294 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:32.480 a big foot for like some prints impressions in like 295 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:34.240 mixed in like you know, like you didn't have an 296 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:38.360 inside job, but have like a real anthropologist present it 297 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:40.799 to people say like, look at these footprints, we found 298 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.639 this other hominid, and you know, every one of those 299 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:45.559 actions would be like, oh, yeah, you can see that 300 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.759 this lines up with that, Like this is obviously like 301 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.159 a bigger version as it evolved more, you know, like 302 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:52.600 that if they looked at the traction from that point 303 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.759 of view, they'd find so much similarities. 304 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:57.519 Yeah, it's a very interesting stuff, you know. And a 305 00:14:57.559 --> 00:14:59.720 lot of these footprints, like this one of the similarities. 306 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.759 But that I'm seeing in this photograph here is that 307 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:07.120 the heel seems almost too narrow in some of these, 308 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:12.039 thus giving it kind of a fan shape when you 309 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:13.320 look at the front part of the foot of the 310 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.440 ball and the toes, and a lot of these the 311 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:19.519 toes are quite well splayed, and it's very triangular, very triangular, 312 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:21.240 kind of like the fan shape. I talk about the 313 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.759 fan shape sasquatch footprint gas a lot the stuff from 314 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.559 like Lori Hamilton or some of the stuff from Jimmy 315 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:31.799 houckin the Biologist. Some of the Freeman stuff looks like that, 316 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:36.320 very fan shaped, and these have the same the same signature, 317 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:40.440 I suppose, very very interesting stuff, and it's it's always 318 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:41.960 great to compare. And a lot of these just show 319 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.279 four toes as well, which is another very common thing 320 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.080 with sasquatch footprints. A lot of a lot of footprints 321 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:51.639 don't have all five toes showing in them, and a 322 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:56.399 lot of bigfoot researchers go the extra mile and think 323 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.559 that the animal itself only has four toes. That's nonsense. 324 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.200 Squatches have five toes, and they say, well, what about 325 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:05.399 an accent or cutting it off? Yeah, maybe, but It's 326 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:09.440 probably more likely that the Sasquatch just has a very 327 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.799 flexible foot, as we are pretty sure they do, and 328 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.000 the toes in the press, and that must be the 329 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:15.639 case with these things too. Of course, these are very 330 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.320 very old footprints. Do anything could happen, but a lot 331 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.600 of these. I'm looking at a composite photograph of one, two, three, four, five, 332 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:28.200 nine or ten footprints right here, and one two, three 333 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:32.279 of them show all five toes. Three that's it. The 334 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.799 rest of them have three or four toes visible because 335 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:37.679 of the substrate, because of the way their feet probably 336 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:39.320 interact with the ground, and of course because of the 337 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.879 age as well. But I think the bigfoot community probably 338 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:44.639 needs to let go of this idea that four toed 339 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:49.200 prints mean a four toed animal. It's not true. Stay 340 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.279 tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 341 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:54.320 Will be right back after these messages. 342 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.200 I think Bubba had a great point about putting evidence 343 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.000 in front of people independent of context. It reminded me. 344 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.839 First of all, you know, Roderick Sprague wrote a bit 345 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.240 about those the carved stoneheads found in the Columbia River, 346 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:17.079 and so yeah, when Sprague was trying to get analyzes 347 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:20.640 from some zoologists about it. He sent it around to 348 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.559 a number of people for their opinions, and what he 349 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.799 wrote about it was, quote, he said, some zoologists described 350 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.160 the carvings as looking quote extremely monkey or ape like, 351 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.359 asking where are they from? When the location was indicated, 352 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.039 the reaction from these zoologists was either one of anger 353 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.079 or of a concerted effort to erase their former comments. 354 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.400 And so I always thought that was a fairly interesting take. 355 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.559 And it reminded me too of you know, someone that 356 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.279 I knew that recorded what might have been red wolf 357 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.839 vocalizations in the interior highlands, you know of the like 358 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.240 the Washita Range, where there used to be red wolf's historically, 359 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.160 but now they're fairly restricted to eastern North Carolina. And 360 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.759 so this person had sent it around and one red 361 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.559 wolf biologist was like, oh those sound really does sound 362 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:08.079 really compelling? Yeah, where'd you get that? 363 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:08.119 That? 364 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.680 He told them, and they said, oh no, well then 365 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.960 it can't be because there are no red wolves there. 366 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.400 And it goes back to that circular logic of like, well, 367 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:17.440 what would it take to convince you that there might 368 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.200 be red wolves there? Oh, well, I'd need to have 369 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:22.519 some kind of evidence. Well, what about this is this evidence? No, No, 370 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.519 that can't be because they're not there. So it would 371 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.680 be interesting, you know, if you could, if you could 372 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:33.279 put sasquatch tracks regardless of scale, because obviously, if someone 373 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:37.240 sees something sixteen seventeen inches long, they're immediately probably going 374 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.559 to be circumspect. But if you had let's say, three 375 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:41.880 D scans and just said, hey, take a look at this, 376 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:43.799 what do you think? You know, you wouldn't want to 377 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:46.119 deceive them and say they were found in a fossil 378 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.200 lake bed in Africa or something like that. But it 379 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.119 would be interesting because it is the case that as 380 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.240 soon as they hear in North America like, oh, well 381 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.279 that can't be because there's no such thing. 382 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:56.640 Yeah, it reminds me of that bigfoots are not real 383 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.319 because it cannot be real. Right, as simple as that, 384 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.400 that's all the argument you need. You're not doing it, 385 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:04.319 not doing well enough, you know. Yeah, I'm loving these footprints, man, 386 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.400 looking at these photographs. Everybody should check these out. 387 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.519 I always put all the articles links to the articles 388 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:11.440 in the show notes, so people, if you open up 389 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.720 the episode description, you will see the links to each 390 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.200 of these articles that we're discussing. 391 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:17.519 Yeah, it might be fun for you know, I still 392 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.799 haven't put my my, uh my presentation together for squatch 393 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:22.000 Fest at the end of the month. I'm kind of 394 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:23.839 hemming and hahn which direction to go, because I've got 395 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.839 a couple of fun things I'd like to talk about. 396 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:29.039 But you know, an hour presentation doesn't give you much 397 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:30.359 to talk about at the end of the day. It 398 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:31.839 might be kind of fun to put a couple of 399 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.680 these up there and put comparative sasquatch footprint casts next 400 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:37.720 to them that strongly resemble them. 401 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:39.119