WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and On with Cliff and Bobo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.039 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and Raid. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.199 It Live, Star and. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.879 Greatest on Yesterday and listening watching limb always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay. 6 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.759 Hey, everybody, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 7 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:36.479 Bobo and Matt and everybody else in the world on 8 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:38.320 this side of the microphone and you on the other 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:40.799 side of the microphone and speakers and all that good stuff. 10 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.759 Bobo was out squatching until late last night. We have 11 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.200 an appointment with him this morning to do the podcast, 12 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.399 but he is not here yet, but he did give 13 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:51.759 us a heads up whatever. At least we know he's coming. 14 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:55.520 So we are starting a kind of on time. We 15 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:57.960 usually do start pretty close to on time. We're just 16 00:00:57.960 --> 00:00:59.560 doing it without Bobo. We're gonna see how long it 17 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:01.280 takes him to show up today. 18 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:03.840 We should make it clear. Bobo told us to start 19 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.079 without him. He said, go ahead and start, I'll be 20 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:08.079 in there as soon as I can. And so we're 21 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.079 not trying to start without Bobo. We are following his 22 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:12.319 instructions to the letter. 23 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.959 Yeah, yeah, although he did not tell us to do 24 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:16.920 an over under, so I think that we should do that. 25 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.040 For sure, for sure. 26 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.480 So yeah, so over under. Let's see it is. Uh, 27 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.040 we started one minute and five seconds ago, according to 28 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:29.799 the recording timer. Do you think, Matt, he's going to 29 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.760 be more than twenty minutes late or less? 30 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:34.519 I'll go less, you're. 31 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.640 Gonna go less than twenty minutes? What number do you think. 32 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:38.200 Between ten and fifteen? 33 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.599 Let's just say twelve minutes thirty seconds to split the 34 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:42.920 difference between ten and fifteen. 35 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:47.280 Okay, I'm writing that down. I am not so optimistic 36 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.760 or I am optimistic, depending on how you look at 37 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.719 these things. I think Bobo will be thirty five minutes late. 38 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.680 Is this like the price is right, like you wager 39 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:57.879 one dollar or whatever? 40 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.959 Yeah, yeah, exactly what. We will play it by those 41 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.040 So if he's I think he will be less than 42 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.519 thirty five minutes late. How's that? And then you think 43 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:08.960 he's gonna be less than twelve minutes and thirty seconds late? 44 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:09.960 Got of work? 45 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:10.960 Okay. 46 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:13.080 Of course, there's no money on this or anything like that. 47 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.560 It's just a good, good natured gentleman's bet sort of thing. 48 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.719 Because I think there's a very real possibility that both 49 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.319 of us are going to be wrong on this one, 50 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.919 but we'll see, we'll see. But that's what membership is 51 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.560 for because he'll certainly be here by the end of 52 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.240 the hour, so he'll be participating in the membership episode. 53 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:29.840 And if you want to be a member and listen 54 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.759 to a little bit more Bobo on these episodes, you 55 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.000 can just click that link in the show notes below. 56 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.520 There's other benefits besides listening to Bobo more often. One 57 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:41.840 of those benefits is you gets an extra show every 58 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:44.520 single week where we get a little bit looser, we 59 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:46.800 get a little bit more willy nilly, a little bit 60 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.159 loosey goosey on that side of things. But also when 61 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.240 we talk about things and oh, I've got a picture 62 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:53.800 of that, you get to see the picture because we 63 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.840 post those things on the Patreon. When there's a discussion 64 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.840 that perhaps I covered in a North American Bigfoot Center video, 65 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.520 I actually give the video to the members as well. 66 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:05.439 So there's a lot a lot of benefits. And finally, 67 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.159 one more benefit of being a member being an honorary pigeon. 68 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.759 As we say, you get this episode that you're listening 69 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:16.400 to at this very moment, completely ad free. So go 70 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.520 ahead and click that link below, tie your five dollars 71 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.719 and become a member because it's cool. That's it on 72 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.319 that side of things. What's going on, Matt? Anything good? 73 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:27.919 I think you're about to congratulate me. 74 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.840 Oh, I certainly am. Congratulations Matt. Now you need to 75 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:32.479 tell me why. 76 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:33.960 Look at the screen. 77 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.159 Look at the screen. I see guests. I don't see 78 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:37.759 Bobo yet. 79 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.879 We'll see it appears that someone is trying to log 80 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.680 in at as our counter reads three minutes and forty 81 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:45.639 two seconds, so. 82 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:48.159 We will see. 83 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.479 Okay, since we do have a topic to get into, 84 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.080 if Bobo jumps in before we get to that topic, 85 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:55.800 maybe he can fill us in on what happened in 86 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:58.759 the field, so we don't interrupt. 87 00:03:58.360 --> 00:03:59.879 The topic to hear about that, because I do want 88 00:03:59.919 --> 00:04:01.840 to here if he had any good look out there. 89 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:03.599 Yeah, yeah, I think he was one of the bluff 90 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.439 creaker thereabout, so I'd like to hear about that as well. 91 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:09.199 But in the meantime, while this guest is attempting to 92 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.439 log in, we get a lot of these great Q 93 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.560 and A submissions that are amazing questions that as soon 94 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.279 as I see him I'm like, oh, man, we could 95 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:18.879 talk about that for two hours. There's just no short 96 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:21.720 answer to that question, or you couldn't do the question 97 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.240 justice with a short answer in the context of like 98 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.480 a ten or twelve question and answer episode. And so 99 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.360 we did one of those recently for the members, and 100 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:33.040 you had a funny line at the end because I said, 101 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.639 I think we went you know, beyond for this member 102 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.319 and answered the question, and you said, oh, I think 103 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:39.639 we went above and beyond. So I thought, oh, it'd 104 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.199 be fun to do a little like above and Beyond series. 105 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.360 I almost titled the member episode that, and then another 106 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.399 one of our members, a pigeon, commented and was like, oh. 107 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:50.199 You should do these as a series called Above. 108 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.519 And Beyond, Bigfoot and Beyond. So I really liked that idea. 109 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.720 And so today we had a couple of those on 110 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:58.720 the table that have been sitting in our Q and 111 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.920 A inbox for a while. Address So we're going to 112 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.199 do one of those here for the main episode. Obviously, 113 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.160 I won't reveal what that is yet until our guest 114 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:11.920 completes the log in process, which is still ongoing. And 115 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.560 so now you know, I edit these so it won't 116 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.839 line up with what the listener sees. But now we're 117 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.160 at five minutes and twenty one seconds and the guest 118 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:22.759 is still trying to log in, so that congratulations might 119 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.240 not have been It might have been premature because it 120 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:27.680 might take another seven minutes, in which case you would 121 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.240 win and I would have to congratulate you. Yeah, you 122 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.399 don't count your pigeon eggs before they hatch. 123 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:40.199 No, I'm sorry, I see P equal bracket P minus James. 124 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:45.279 So that's Bobo's call in line. I think you won 125 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.519 six minutes and forty eight seconds. Can you hear us, Bobouck, 126 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:56.560 I guess that means yes, you are just in time. 127 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.600 So we told the listeners that you been out late 128 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.959 squatching and so you were getting a late start, and 129 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.240 so we hadn't even gotten into the proposed topics yet. 130 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.160 So this is perfect timing because I'm sure people want 131 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:10.519 to know if you had it, and we want to 132 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:11.959 know if you had any action out there. 133 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.519 Yeah, tell us about your trip, all. 134 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.040 Right, listeners. So there was just you're going to hear 135 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.680 some time compression because we had to stop the session 136 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.680 and start recording again. And by the time the session stopped, 137 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.560 it was at twelve minutes and sixteen seconds, and several 138 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.399 minutes have passed since in so I actually lost the bet. 139 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.800 Cliff has won the bet. So congratulations to you, Cliff, Thank. 140 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:36.079 You very much. 141 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.639 I bet I've got somebody else will be twenty minutes. 142 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.439 I said you would be here by twelve minutes and 143 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.399 thirty seconds, and you logged in before that, and so 144 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.839 I started congratulating myself, but then it didn't work. And 145 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:52.600 so now that we're finally rolling, it's beyond that time. 146 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.000 Oh man, inquiring minds, Cliff and myself included, I want 147 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.959 to know how was your trip in the field? 148 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.439 Yeah, where'd you go? Who'd you go with? 149 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.079 We'll say that from the members. 150 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.199 All right, we'll give them a little bit of something special. Then. 151 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.120 Well, in our effort to go above and beyond bigfoot 152 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.279 and beyond for some of these listener questions, we got 153 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.959 a great question from a pigeon recently named Angela, and 154 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.160 she had asked, I've been doing some unrelated research and 155 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.680 was reminded of the observer effect in quantum physics. How 156 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:27.000 do you all think that relates to bigfooting ie field research? 157 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.279 And I think that's a great question, and there's definitely 158 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:30.959 no short answer to it, So I thought that'd be 159 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.920 a fun topic to discuss for the next hour with 160 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.160 our listeners here, especially those who are aspiring or active 161 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:39.240 field researchers. 162 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:41.399 Yeah, and of course, I think probably the best way 163 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.759 to start that conversation is to define what the observer 164 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:49.560 effect is, because it's mostly used in physics, you know, 165 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:55.319 and particularly quantum mechanics. I think the most common terminology 166 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.399 for it would be the Heisenberg and certainty principle. I 167 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.399 think that's a version of this real simple it's much much, 168 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.800 much more simple than that. It's basically that by observing 169 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:10.759 a situation, you change that situation. Now that is true everywhere, 170 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:13.040 you know, Like, for example, I know that in the 171 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.600 morning of if Melissa is working in the kitchen and 172 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.040 I go out and I just stand there and look, 173 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.439 she's going to go, what the hell you're looking at? Like, 174 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:21.160 what's your problem? 175 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:21.560 What are you doing? 176 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.480 And it's going to weird her out, essentially because my 177 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:30.160 observation of this situation changed that situation. That's a very 178 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:34.840 obvious example of the observer effect, you know, but there's many, 179 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.159 many others, and I think for this conversation, we're obviously 180 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.679 talking about sasquatches release the context of sasquatches, So we're 181 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:45.240 looking at wildlife. And again I see this every day 182 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.960 as well. Melissa has taken to feeding the birds, and 183 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.759 for a while she's feeding the squirrels and chipmunks, but 184 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.639 I kind of discouraged her from doing that because they 185 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.519 are rodents and they will live in our walls. We 186 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:59.200 already have one in the wall somewhere. I can hear 187 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:03.399 it scritch scratch around at night. But I don't necessarily 188 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.200 want to gather rodents to a safe haven in my home, 189 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.720 right But birds are way cooler in that sort of way, 190 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.200 although I still don't trust him so and I know 191 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:14.600 in the morning, like Melissa goes out to you know, 192 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:16.519 check the feeders and all that sort of stuff and 193 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.679 do what she enjoys doing, and by her being out there, 194 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:23.000 the birds act differently, the squirrels act differently, everything acts differently. 195 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:27.600 The observer effect. So clearly that's true of sasquatches as well. 196 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:29.879 And I've I've been kind of ranting about this a 197 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.279 bit because a few years ago I heard a pretty 198 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:37.600 prominent bigfoot researcher say that what could another footprint cast 199 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.919 possibly teach us and I was just aghast at that, 200 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:42.679 you know, just like what I'm not a ridiculous thing 201 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.279 to say. And because you know, when if somebody is 202 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:50.279 lucky enough to see a sasquatch, they're most likely their 203 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.639 observation of the animal is going to last two to 204 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:57.000 three seconds or so. Yeah, not very long. Basically, So 205 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:00.799 I've been arguing very loudly for years that the only 206 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:05.559 way to observe a sasquatch and its natural habitat without 207 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.200 changing its behavior, which comes back to the observer effect, 208 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.519 is by tracking them. That's it, because if you're lucky 209 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.200 to see one for two or three seconds, you're not 210 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.399 going to have a long look. Almost certainly the sasquatch 211 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.720 is going to realize as being observed, although that's not 212 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.480 always true, and then it's going to change its behavior, 213 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:26.120 most likely by assessing the threat, which is you, and 214 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.000 or walking away and leaving the situation. So the only 215 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.799 to me, the only effective way of observing sasquatches in 216 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.320 their natural habitat without changing their behavior is by observing 217 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.200 the stuff they leave behind their spore in other words, 218 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.440 the footprints, forging sign, whatever else is behind them, hair, whatever, 219 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.720 and then trying to decipher that trying to read the 220 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.799 tracking essentially, which is why I'm so gung ho about it, 221 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.320 because I'm deeply interested in the animals themselves. Yeah, I 222 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.159 don't know, maybe that's it for me. What else you 223 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:55.759 have to say? 224 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.000 Well, as you had brought up, it applies heavily to wildlife. 225 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.320 One of the examples that comes to mind is that, 226 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.480 as I understand it, during the initial observational field studies 227 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.919 that Jane Goodall conducted in Gombay, there was a lot 228 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.320 of criticism because she was introducing food and so it 229 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:18.480 wasn't necessarily the observation of natural behavior of chimpanzees in 230 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.519 their natural habitat. But you know, in attempting to have 231 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.360 closer observations of living chimpanzees, she enticed them with food 232 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.000 and that of course changed their behavior. So she's still 233 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.440 observing chimpanzees. But you know, to split hairs, you could 234 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:35.360 easily say, well, that's you're not observing natural behavior, you're 235 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.840 influencing that behavior. Airgo, you're influencing the phenomenon that you're 236 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.639 trying to observe. But obviously her contributions are great, and 237 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.600 you know, I think those criticisms might have been warranted 238 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.559 in the day, but we've all benefited tremendously from her methods. 239 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:52.399 But it did raise questions. 240 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.879 I guess that there was some degree of aggression that 241 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.960 was first documented by Goodall that you know, sort of 242 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.720 shocking and paradigm shifting to the idea that chimpanzees were 243 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.039 these sort of like gentle animals that were non violent, 244 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.240 you know, as opposed to us their violent cousins, and 245 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.759 so a lot of I think that early criticism was that, well, 246 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.480 they're only violent because they're competing over this food that 247 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.000 you introduced. Ergo, you know, we have to question whether 248 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.360 or not they are naturally violent, which now that's been 249 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.600 soundly put to rest. They are very naturally violent critters, 250 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.320 scarily so. But I think it does apply to the 251 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.320 field in a lot of ways. One of the analogies 252 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.840 I've used before is that, you know, if you could 253 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:39.320 imagine that you were a police officer who was getting 254 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.279 a call frequently from a local resident who said that 255 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.799 there was a prowler coming to their property every night 256 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:48.240 and jiggling the door handle, trying to break in, peering 257 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.120 in the windows, and you wanted to see if this 258 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:54.279 prowler existed and if so apprehend them, how would you 259 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.879 conduct yourself? Well, if you were to go out there 260 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:59.360 in your cruiser and park in the driveway, you know, 261 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:01.360 in the front yard, right in front of the house, 262 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.919 and leave your blue lights on and observe no such prowler, 263 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.000 would it be fair to say, well, the phenomenon this 264 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:12.080 claimant is describing doesn't exist, because I went there, I searched, 265 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.159 and nothing appeared to me that would empirically prove to 266 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.080 me that this phenomenon exists to be observed. And I 267 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.879 think anyone would say, well, no, you change the environment, 268 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:24.399 because a prowler likely isn't going to approach the house 269 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.399 when there's a police cruiser with the blue lights on 270 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.159 in the driveway all night. The reason I use that 271 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.360 analogy is I think that applies to a lot of 272 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.879 what sasquatch field research is is that if you're trying 273 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.000 to study this phenomenon that people describe, so you take 274 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.440 those testimonies and what is it that they're describing. Well, 275 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.879 what they describe approximates a living animal, and based on 276 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.639 the sort of overarching patterns of all the interactions, observations, 277 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.600 and behaviors, it seems to be a very wary, elusive, 278 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:57.519 furtive animal that flees from human contact and tries to 279 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:00.639 avoid human detection. And so if you're in the field, 280 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.519 if you don't conduct yourself as if that's the kind 281 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.039 of thing you're trying to observe, you might be influencing it. 282 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.840 So if you're hoping to observe a living sasquatch and 283 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:14.600 you're being very loud, very visible, you know offensive. You know, 284 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.440 how many times have we seen people go out and 285 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.320 slam the car doors and smoke half a pack of 286 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.519 cigarettes and talk loudly and then cough and clear their 287 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.000 throat and then do a bigfoot howl expecting that they're 288 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.720 going to trick a sasquatch into responding back because it 289 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.320 thinks there's another sasquatch in the area, Like it wouldn't 290 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.919 have detected all of the indications that there was a 291 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:38.840 human involved, or it's not optimum, it's not optimal. Well, 292 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:42.240 my point is that so many people might go into 293 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:46.519 the field that way and then when nothing happens, say yeah, 294 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.000 there was never anything here to begin with, just like 295 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:52.320 the cop might say, yeah, this person's lying, there's no prowler. 296 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.759 I looked. It's like, well, did you really look. 297 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.720 You know, you have a hypothesis, which is that the 298 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:01.679 phenomenon exists, and how do you conduct the experiment? Well, 299 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.399 you have to, at least in this case, which I 300 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.480 think makes it sort of unscientific. You have to behave 301 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:11.679 as if the phenomenon does exist, Like you have to 302 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.519 conduct yourself as if sasquatches are real animals for the 303 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:19.360 most part, if you're trying to conduct that experiment. 304 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.679 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 305 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:32.360 Bobo will be right back after these messages. You know, Bobes, 306 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.840 squatching season is in full swing and I can't help 307 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:38.440 but notice you're wearing that goune squatching hats. But are 308 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.559 you wearing that hat to support your favorite hobby or 309 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:42.480 to hide. 310 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:46.159 Your thinning hair bom. 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You have to behave as 334 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.640 if the phenomenon exists that you're testing to see whether 335 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:16.519 or not it exists. 336 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:17.960 Does that make sense, Well. 337 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:19.680 Yeah, of course, I mean it's like you know, money 338 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:23.319 maker would always criticize people for doing woodknocks wrong, and 339 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.079 he was absolutely correct, by the way, even though the 340 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:26.640 people who are like, what, how do you do a 341 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.240 woodknock wrong? Well, it's the context. The context of the 342 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.960 situation dictates whether you're doing it correctly or not, because 343 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.079 you know, hitting the tree with a bat, there's only 344 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.079 so many ways you can do it right. You can 345 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:40.000 choose the right place in the tree and choose the 346 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:41.599 right kind of wood and tree and all that kind 347 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.680 of stuff. There's things you know can't you can affect right. 348 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.559 But one of the things that people do, the civilians 349 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:50.480 generally do this is they roll up to a campsite, 350 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.000 they get everything out, they're making them some noise, and 351 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.279 at midnight or something, they step slightly away from the 352 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.720 fire and do tree knocks. And that's the wrong way 353 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.079 to do it. That's the wrong way to do it 354 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.440 because your fire is there, you've been there for a 355 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:08.079 couple hours generally making some noise. Every sasquatch, every bear, 356 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.960 every deer, every elk, every every critter with an earshot 357 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:15.039 knows you're there, and you're just training the sasquatches that, 358 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.480 oh yeah, yeah, this is a human thing doing this 359 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.799 is something humans do. Now, they probably don't get that 360 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:21.640 they're doing it for them, because, oh, that's just more 361 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.359 weird human noises, because humans make weird noises, you know, 362 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.359 the correct way to do something like that, if you're 363 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.720 having a bonfire or having friends. 364 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:30.680 That's an assumption. Clue that they don't know we're doing 365 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:31.359 it for them. 366 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:33.680 It is. I think it's a pretty safe assumption, the 367 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.640 same way that I like deer necessarily know that we're 368 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.440 doing we're banging on a tree for or whatever. You know, 369 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:43.119 like I think that animals, that's true. That is an assumption. 370 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.279 But I think it's a pretty safe assumption that that 371 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.359 any weird noise coming from a human camp, I think 372 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.319 is just going to be interpreted as a weird noise 373 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:54.519 coming from a human camp. 374 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:57.559 Well, I think they know that, we admit it. I 375 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.839 think they know we do knocks and whistles and calls 376 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.680 we do. Especially since the show came out so many 377 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:03.880 people have done it all over the place. I think 378 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.519 they're pretty aware of it now. They don't get they 379 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:09.359 don't get us fired up when they hear it at first, now, 380 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:11.680 like they don't have to come charging in hardly. Ever, 381 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:14.160 if you do knocks and calls, like the first time 382 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.839 you do it somewhere like like ever then they jabbed 383 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:18.960 some places. 384 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.759 It doesn't seem like it's changed their behavior at all. 385 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.599 I like bumping, Yeah, like bumping, you know. So I 386 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:26.799 don't know, I have no idea. I guess I don't 387 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.400 know if it's it's best to assume that they think 388 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:31.839 that we're after them or not. But I think hitting 389 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.319 a tree with a baseball bat at the edge of 390 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.720 the fire, I don't think it's any sasquatch would assume, 391 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:38.839 Oh they're doing that for me. I think, oh, just 392 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.880 humans do weird things, and there's there's yet another weird 393 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:43.519 human noise coming from that same camp. 394 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.799 Well, they know they know we make knocking sounds, that 395 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:50.039 everyone's split in wood and stuff like that. And I 396 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:51.400 think when they hear it in the same place and 397 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:54.480 bumping is don't exact like salt fork still get stuff 398 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.200 going on. But I think, yeah, I just think they're 399 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:59.519 smarter to know, like, well, I don't think they would 400 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:01.799 someone's it was trying to attract them. But I think 401 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.359