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Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven winners Color Choice Shrubs.

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It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy, Hervella me,

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Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, pumpkins, squash,

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and gourds are members of the enormously diverse cucurbit family,

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and they've been providing mankind with food and utilitarian objects

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since well before recorded history and today Stacy, as Bonnie

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Raitt would sing, Let's give him pumpkin to talk about.

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This is a fun topic, especially this time of the year,

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and names differ throughout the world, but in the United States,

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any round orange squash used for pies or jack O'Lanterns

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is likely to be called a pumpkin. But is the

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term pumpkin really botanically correct or are they actually squash?

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And of course squash are divided into two categories, tender

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and hard skinned or winter squash. So what I thought

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I'd do, Stacy, is I thought I would ask Ai

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that question didn't help me at all. What they had

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to say on the subject was this, A pumpkin is

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botanically a type of squash which is in the same

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family as gords. While squash are generally grown for eating

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and gords for decoration, the term pumpkin often refers to

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ornamental but edible winter squash varieties. So a pumpkin is

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a squash, which is a type of gourd. But not

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all gords are pumpkins, and not all squash are pumpkins.

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Speaker 2: What all pumpkins are squash but not all squash or pumpkins?

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Speaker 1: I'm confused.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, well that was not a great answer. May

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I may not be as smart as it. I mean,

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it was okay, it was okay. I think, you know,

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I think back in the day, the definition would for

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the average American been pretty clear. Pumpkins are the round

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of orange things, and then gords are those things, those weird,

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clubby wardy looking things. But you know, thanks to certain

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people like Martha Stewart popularizing the enormous diversity in the pumpkin,

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squash and gourd tribe of the Kerkuba tasti or cucic

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circubit family, the lines are a lot blurrier because there

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are certainly squashes that have many of those same categories

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as a gourd, but are not only edible but actually delicious.

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And they're now being sold only for decorative purposes, and

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people are missing out on a great opportunity to eat

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a really tasty thing.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, let's lay this pumpkin to roast here. Okay, So

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for me, I immediately go to butternut squash. I love

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butternut squash. I love butternut soup. I love playing with

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the immersion blender in the pot because that's just fun

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for me, it's therapeutic. But boy, oh boy, is that

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delicious to me? Butternut squash is fall in a bowl.

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Speaker 2: It's yes, it's a classic choice. I would say. You know,

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I'm honestly not a huge fan of winter squash for

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the most part. For the most part, there's some exceptions.

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I do like some of the more dense, flavorful varieties,

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and I also don't like recipes that play up the

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sweetness too much, and most of the recipes make them

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sweeter than they need to be. So like I'm thinking

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more of like the sage and brown butter squash type

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of thing. But you know, the thing about butternut squash

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can't carve. It can't make a jack lantern out of

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a butternut squash, because it's all solid, you won't have

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anything hollow in there to put the light in.

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Speaker 1: So throughout the ages, squash, gourds, pumpkins used for food,

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used for utilitarian reasons, bulls and ornamentation, fastening, eating kind

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of thing, and of course, well I personally believe squash

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makes a smashing good dinner. But I did find in England, Stacey,

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to try to reduce food waste, there are a lot

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of people who get out the knitting needles and make pumpkins,

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handmade pumpkins. I've got a link from the BBC that

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will share on our website. I thought that that was

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really that's fun.

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Speaker 2: I'll make one for you know, Halloween is still some

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about a month away, so we'll have time to have

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a hand knit pumpkin in the studio.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there's something to be said about reducing

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food waste because, like I've said, a lot of these

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really popular and expensive, you know, decorative items that are

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sold in stores. Now, you know, the white ones and

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the green ones and the silvery kind of grayish ones

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are all edible, but you definitely do not want to

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be eating any gords. Those are toxic. Gords can be

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very toxic. They have a strong bitter flavor. But if

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you are wondering, I was thinking of, like, how can

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we help our listeners understand if the beautiful squash type

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thing that they purchased is edible or not. Here's my advice.

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Go to a good, reputable seed company like Johnny's Selected Seeds.

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That's one of my favorites, Pine Tree Garden Seeds. I

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order from them a lot and look at their selection

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of pumpkins that they carry, and if it is listed

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is edible, then you will know that that is edible.

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pumpkins that are choice foods in Europe, but in America,

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since they're merchandised with plants that are less you know,

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with pumpkins and squashes that are looking less edible, we

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tend to just throw them away. Another cool thing that's

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happened in recent years is farmers and zoos and so

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forth asking for the pumpkins at the end of the

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season for their animals. So we've even done a little

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bit to reduce food waste while also keeping a lot

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of those autumn vibes alive.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, the last thing you want to

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do is get caught off off off gourd. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know you don't have to worry too

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too much about eating a toxic gourd, because, as with

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many toxic plants, it will taste perfectly ghastly exactly, and

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you will not continue to eat it unless you are

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some kind of masochist. But yeah, I mean, you obviously

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are going to want anything to be cooked. And I

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think when you cut them open, if you can kind

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of up, skirts are often really hard to cut. You know,

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you can't get into them at all. If you can

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cut it open, good chance it's a pumpkin. And if

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it's not like all gross and piffy inside, also a

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good chance it's an edible pumpkin.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, Stacey. So many different types of pumpkins

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today for decoration purposes, not just for food purposes. I

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took a look everything from wardy goblin pumpkins to cream

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cheese and ghost white pumpkins. Atlantic Giant of course, Big

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Max Howden Field is the industry standard for decades, Sugar

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Connecticut Field, sweetye Pie, baby Bear Harvest mood. I mean,

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it goes on and on and on, and they're fun

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to decorate with. But to grow them in your own yard,

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of course, you're gonna be dealing with things like squash,

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vine borer, cucumber beetle aphids, cutworms, stink bugs, downy mildew,

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powdery mildew, and another issue that you're gonna have to

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wrestle with space, lots and lots of space. It requires

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a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: That's the main reason I haven't grown them, because you know,

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every year when I get those seed catalogs and I'm

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looking at the I'm like, ooh, that is cool. I

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want one of those. And then I'm like, I just

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don't have their mon If they weren't deer, if they

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were deer resistant, I would be in a lot better shape.

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But since they're not, and I have to grow them

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in my already somewhat limited vegetable garden, I don't. The

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other thing is, not only are these huge, huge plants,

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but a lot of them. The bigger the fruit that

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they produce, the fewer fruits they're going to produce. So

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then you are devoting you a good ten to fifteen

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square feet of your yard to getting you know, maybe

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three bumpkins.

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Speaker 1: I have the solution for you, and I was hoping

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to get one of these, but they're pretty expensive. Now

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you'll see people growing cu curbets on trellises and arbors,

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but you need something that's really got some gravitas because

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there's going to be a lot of weight. Yeah, and

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they're aggressive, and I've seen people using everything from burr

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lap to underwear to create a little hammock to hold

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these gourds aloft as they grow them. But my solution

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is a moongate. A moongate, and I want a moongate

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for my landscape in the worst way. They're really expensive,

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but it's an architectural element in traditional Chinese gardens. Its

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circular shape basically a double circle that is really solid

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and able to hold these up. So I'm hoping that

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I can get myself a moongate.

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Speaker 2: That sounds lovely, So we'll talk about more.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about this more during segment four. Let me

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end this segment with a limb a rick because this

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past year we all learned during the drought that pumpkins

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are basically ninety to ninety two percent water. They are water,

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so is squash. So I'm giving you a dry pumpkin

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limbo rick because it's been so dry around here lately

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with my garden, I've had interventions, but lack of water

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has caused considerable tensions. While the vines did sprawl, the

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pumpkins are small. Despite my good intent, I was counting

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on a sizeable batch pumpkins from the vines. Two detach.

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It's all kind of scary. I'll fix it and be

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wary by applying a pumpkin patch. Aw that's cute, as

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they say in the Pumpkin Business. Roll with it. Baby

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plants on trial is next. Let's see how Stacey ties

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this in here on the Gardening Simplified.

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welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where if you

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are watching on YouTube, you will see I'm wearing an

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orange shirt. For today's Pumpkin and squash and gord theme.

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Adiroann has got a green shirt on, kind of like

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those nice green ones and you've got your black to

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give us the whole Halloween kind of vibe here. But

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you know, obviously it's way too late to talk about

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growing gords or pumpkins or squash for this year. But

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I think it's good for people to think about, you know,

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as they buy them and decorate with them and enjoy

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them in their homes. You know, it's kind of like

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we get detached from where these plants come from. And

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squash or gord or pumpkin that you have purchased and

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the end of the season starts approaching, why not save

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the seeds. You know, you can almost certainly be able

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to save the seeds and grow them yourself the following

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year if you have the space, because as we just said,

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they are definitely not one for those of us with

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limited space, because they will take up quite a lot

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of them where you can grow them onnitrellis or a

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moon gate like you said, but you know, they definitely

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Speaker 1: And part of the reason there are so many colorful

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gords out there is they're easy to cross pollinate, and

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so I think that's why through the years so many

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different types of gords have developed in gourds that we

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can enjoy in our landscapes.

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Speaker 2: It's fun to grow, Yeah, it's fun to grow, and

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so yeah, if you have one that you love and

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you really want to make sure you get your money

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out of it, because a lot of those gourds are

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not cheap. Dig on in there, save those seeds, dry

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them out, and plant them in the garden next year,

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and then you can just keep doing it. It preserves

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your investment. But of course that is not today's Plants

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on Trial, and there is in fact no plants in

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the kerkubit Tasy family that encompasses the squashes and gourds

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and cucumbers and all of that kind of stuff. That

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there's no woody plants in that family. And so of

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course there is no woody plants. So we don't have

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any kerkubatasi here and the proven Winter's color choice line.

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I was thinking as I was preparing for today's show,

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you know, this is a vibe autumn, not an actual autumn.

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Because we had like a little bit of cool weather

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that made you go, oh yeah, this is Fall's common,

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this is great. And now it's like summer is here.

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It's not letting up. Even the nights are super warm

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and humid, so it feels like we're back in August

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instead of heading into October. So if you want fall vibes,

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you got to make them yourself. There's just no other

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way around it. This year you're probably be wearing shorts

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instead of a sweater, but you have to make your

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own fall vibes. So the plant today's plant on trial

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is a fall vibes plant, not an actual pumpkin or

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anything like that. Now, you know, it's interesting. I feel like,

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fall is kind of like a second spring where everything

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kind of gets this fresh lease on life. Colors get brighter,

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things flower like roses, and you know what I have

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to say, overall, I'm not seeing that as much as

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I have in previous years. Yeah, because I think between

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how dry we've been and how warm and sunny it

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has remained, I'm not really getting that like really great refreshment.

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Except for a couple of things in my yard that

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are looking great. I will have to say my Almino

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is doing amazingly well. That seems to have brighter colors,

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more fragrance, lots of flowers on there. My autumn joy

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seed not a plant I particularly love, but I had

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some small ones that I planted and they are looking

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absolutely beautiful right now. And Carryopteriss sure Carryoptress really comes

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into its own right now. We have beyond Midnight Carryoptress,

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which is a great plant, and then beautiful blue flowers

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to go with the orange. I have New England Asters

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just starting to bloom. I actually just started blooming within

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the last couple of days. That is a late bloomer.

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Speaker 1: Nice, it is a late bloomer, but beautiful, beautiful, Love it.

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And I don't think astors get the press they should,

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But it's because mums suck all the oxygen out of

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the room.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I think that the New England Asters, a

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symphotrichomes definitely deserve at least as much attention as the mums,

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if not for their amazing color, because they're just this

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beautiful kind of purply blue color. I have to say

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and I'm not sure there's really anything that attracts a

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bigger diversity of pollinators in my garden except for the

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New England Asters, and that's just getting started. But none

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of those are the plants on trial. No, No, today's

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plan on trial again. It's about the vibes. It is

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kodiac spiced durvilla.

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Speaker 1: Now I love this and I'm looking forward to hearing

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about this because in my landscape, I've had people stop

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by and in the last week or two each has

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pointed out the Kodiak orange dear villa and how beautiful

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it's getting. And it is. It's gorgeous in fault. But

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Kodiak spiced.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this one is going to be new in garden

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centers in this coming spring in twenty twenty six. But

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of course we do have a pretty robust line of

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kodiak or villa's already a Kodiak orange. Like you said,

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we got Kodiak red and Deurvillas are a plant, a shrub.

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They're native to North America. There you can find them

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throughout Michigan and most of the eastern half of the

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United States. And you know, to me, they are just

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one of those plants that's just a little workhorse, right.

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They don't attract a ton of attention. You're not like, whoa,

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oh my gosh, what is that. But they're always doing

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what they're supposed to do without really any fussing. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. My son in law stopped by the other

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day and he's sitting on the deck and he pointed

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at them, and he said, I never noticed those before,

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but those are gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Because they're getting fall color right now.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's just there's such a workhorse in

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the landscape, but when you get into fall, people take

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notice definitely.

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Speaker 2: And so Kodiak spice earns its name because it's got

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all of those spicy vibes that we get right now,

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the pumpkin spice, the pumpkin pie. So it has kind

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of that warm orange, dark orange, cozy kind of color,

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particularly in the new growth. As the new growth starts

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to mature through the growing season, it turns kind of

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a really nice chartruse, but it continues to get those

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warm tones in the new growth. And then of course, yeah,

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all of the darvilla have great fall color, whether they

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actually change color or it's just a matter of them

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kind of keeping the color that they have, but changing

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sort of the vibrancy of it. It just gets a

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lot brighter.

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Speaker 1: It's like butternut squash soup for the eyes.

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Speaker 2: That's a very good way to put it. Feels I

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like that it's a little too long for a plant name,

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but it is a good one. So they do get flowers.

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They're going to be flowering, you know, mostly in July

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and August. They get small yellow flowers that native bumblebees

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just absolutely love. So that's a good thing because those

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are our native bees, not the honey bees, and it's

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our native bees that really need our help and support.

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So this is a great choice. And it's just kind

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of like a nice rounded, three to four foot tall

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and wide orange, warm spice kind of plant. So whether

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you want to put something like a low hedge, if

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you're just looking for a foundation planting, if you're looking

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for something to add to a perennial or flower garden,

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this plant can do it. It can be trimmed. You

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cannot trim it. There's really like kind of no wrong answers.

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I feel like when it comes to durvilla.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I started growing them in my landscape a few

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years ago. Because I was told how great they are,

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and I was like, well, we'll see they've lived up

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to their billing.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're I'm read. I'm glad to hear that

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now they are. They have a good heartiness range, hardy

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down to USDA Zone three, heat tolerant through about USDA

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Zone eight, So that definitely covers a lot of our

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listenership out there. As for deer resistance, I would give

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them a B minus. I think about a B minus,

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which is to say they're not going to cause major damage.

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They're not going to leave you with sad nubs. But

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I have found that they do like to eat, especially

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the tips the new growth in spring, especially like very

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early in the season when food is really scarce and

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they're really really hungry. I usually find that by the

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time summer rolls around, they're not really eating enough to

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interfere with a flowering at all. So it's something that

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they'll eat, but they won't severely damage. And a lot

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of times when you're looking for deer resistant plants, it's

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that Okay, it might be damaged, but is it going

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to be severely damaged? Is it actually going to cause

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a hole or a liability in my lane landscape because

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the deer ate it so badly. So kind of medium,

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not the most resistant, but definitely not one that's their

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favorite where they're really going to cause a ton of damage.

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And like I said, good flowering.

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Speaker 1: And in the garden center, Stacey, when I talk to folks,

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I tell them, if you want a plant that's a

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native plant that really attracts pollinators, because that's been my experience.

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support that and say the pollinators are all over that

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plant in summer when it's blooming.

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Speaker 2: They are, Yeah, they really really like it. And you know,

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the flowers are just kind of a nice little bonus there.

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The foliage under Villa two is really clean, and I

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don't just mean that it is disease resistant. It is,

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but there's something about the very tidy way that the

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leaves are born on the stems that's just appealing. So

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this isn't one of those plants where your neighbors are

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going to be, you know, running over to ask you,

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oh my gosh, what is that? Except for possibly in

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the thall for those autumn vibes. But it's just a

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good workhorse plant for any kind of basic landscaping that

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you need to do, and I feel like so often

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people are turning to other basics, you know, like barberry

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or burning bush or something like that, where in many,

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many cases, Durvilla is going to be a much more

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environmentally friendly and a more visually interesting choice. So if

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you're thinking about doing some landscaping or adding some new

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plants and you want some great vibes all season, but

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especially in the fall, consider Kodiak Spiced Durvilla. It will

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to help you. And you know, I feel like gardening

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questions kind of have like two like they have like

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three seasons. Right Spring, Oh my gosh, everything like what happened?

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Is should this be leaving out yet? What's going on? Summer?

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Oh my gosh, everything's dying? It has leaf spot, you know,

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freaking out about that. Come fall. It's you know, more

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like what should I do going into winter.

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Speaker 1: It's a good way of looking at it. I like that,

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you know. For me spring, I've learned with people who

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put a plant in the ground if it survives winter,

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it's almost going like going to a fast food restaurant

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and placing an order for some fries and you get

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that bonus onion ring in the package. Right, it's coming up,

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It's coming back. So yeah, yeah, right, those three different seasons.

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I'm sorry, It's just that's how my mind was.

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Speaker 2: You're hungry.

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Speaker 1: I I am hungry.

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Speaker 2: Uh And you know, Chance Surf, you have a gardening question.

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Other people have the same question, and that is why

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I picked Paul's question here for us to answer, because

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Paul's question gets at a question that a lot of

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people are about to be asking themselves.

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Speaker 1: Stacey, I'm going to guess it's the number one question

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you've been asked through the years.

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Speaker 2: Is it one or another? Permutations of this question? Absolutely so,

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Paul says, here are pictures of our hydrangs with no

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flowers this year. As you can imagine, they are big

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leaf hydranges hydrange of macrophylla. His question then, is when

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do we trim them and how much? I have read

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one third to one half in spring. But I need

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the pros to help me. Now, as you here we go,

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and as you have heard me say, if you've been

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listening to this show for any length of time. When

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it comes to pruning, and especially when it comes to

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pruning hydranges, when in doubt, don't do not prune. And

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so Paul and I've written him back personally to make

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sure he does not prune these plants. Like I said,

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they are big leaf hydrangeas. This is the kind with

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a shiny, leathery leaves, and they should have the big, nice, round, pink,

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purple or blue flowers. Right now, if you have that

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type of hydrangea, whether or not it bloomed in your

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yard this past summer, right this very minute, it is

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making its flower buds for summer of twenty twenty six.

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So that means that if you were to trim it

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or cut it back or anything like that, you will

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be removing the flower buds it has busily been making

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for next year. So the answer is, if you have

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big leaf hydrangeas, do not prune them. Don't prune them

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by half, don't prune them by a third, put the

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pruners down and walk away. And it's hard for people.

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Speaker 1: Hard because whether it's late fall or it's spring, you

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just have these sticks. Yeah, And if people feel the

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need to do something.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's just it. And you know, Paul said that, hey,

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these hydrangeas didn't flower, well, there's a couple of flowers

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on some of them, and I think that that kind

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of makes people feel like they are compelled to do

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something to intervene. They think that pruning is going to

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fix the problem, when pruning is actually exacerbating the problem.

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Speaker 1: But one of the problems here is that with panicle

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hydranges a pruning actually helps, in my opinion, makes the

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plant more beautiful, helps it bloom. So at the end

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of the day, stacy, doesn't it come down to making

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sure to determine whether it's a panicle or a big leaf.

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Speaker 2: Hydrange Absolutely, So therein lies the confusion because people say, Okay,

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how do I prune my hydrange is without realizing there

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are these six different types of hydrangs in our gardens.

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So it's not a question that you can answer with

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one question. You have to have a follow up question,

468
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:47,480
and that is what type of hydrangea do you have?

469
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:50,599
So that's why when in doubt, don't If you do

470
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,000
know which type of hydrange you have, then you'll know

471
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,480
that yes, panicle and smooth hydrangees can and should be

472
00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,400
pruned usually after their dormant in fall or in late

473
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,119
winter early spring. But again when in doubt, don't do anything,

474
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,279
because even those plants are not going to be negatively

475
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,400
affected from no pruning, whereas the types of hydranges that

476
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,039
bloom on old wood and shouldn't be pruned will very

477
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,119
much be negatively affected if you prune them. So you

478
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,960
can always send us a picture. Take a picture to

479
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,480
your local garden center. Look online, we've got our hydranges

480
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,119
Demystified intro info sheet that will help you with that. So, Paul,

481
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:30,920
no pruning, let your plants be and hopefully that will

482
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,799
put you in a better shape for next year.

483
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed at Stacey, and you've done a lot

484
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:39,240
of work on helping demystify hydranges for people. And I'm

485
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,000
telling you, boots on the ground in the garden center,

486
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,759
I'll run into this with customers and I'll say to them,

487
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,839
what kind of hydrange do you have? And I get

488
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:50,880
the glassy eyed.

489
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, there's types. Just solve I out.

490
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,799
Speaker 1: I just had hydrange true rights to us. I'm struggling

491
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,799
in my Zone six South Niagara garden would get reblooming

492
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,480
evergreen azaleas to thrive. Is they're my wife's favorite flower.

493
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:09,240
I must win the battle over this problem. After losing

494
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:13,200
all their leaves during our tough winter, they hardly flowered

495
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,599
in spring, have not rebloomed at all. Some of them

496
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,039
are also suffering with yellow leaves. Is this a nutritional deficiency?

497
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:22,759
Drew says, What am I doing?

498
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Drew, there are a lot of people

499
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,519
in USDA Zone six and colder who would dearly love

500
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:35,079
to be able to grow reblooming evergreen azaleas. Yes, and

501
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,359
I have to tell you, you know, Drew did include photos,

502
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,799
and yes, the plants are very chlorotic. But I have

503
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:43,359
to say I'm pretty impressed that you were even able

504
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:46,559
to get them as large as you have, because, you know,

505
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,400
the simple fact is, well, there's two simple facts here,

506
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,279
by and large evergreen reblooming azaleas. The genetics that go

507
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,759
into that plant to make them reblooming, they're just not

508
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:02,559
very cold tolerant. And believe me, breeders are working hard

509
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,680
on introducing more and more cold tolerance into these reblooming azaleas,

510
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,599
but it is a very long process because now they

511
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,640
have to kind of try to bring in cold you know,

512
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,680
hardier genetics to counteract the tenderness. Most reblooming azaleas are

513
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,680
not considered hardy and only to USDA Zone seven. Only

514
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,079
recently are there newer ones that are hardy to zone six. Now,

515
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,720
stack on top of that the issue that not all

516
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:34,240
USDA's on six areas are the same. Now, certainly you

517
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,480
know you can have if you are in a kind

518
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,160
of coastal area like we are here in West Michigan,

519
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640
you can do pretty okay, it's a milder Zone six.

520
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,240
But there are certainly inland zone six, like in say Kentucky, Missouri,

521
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,519
those kind of areas where you have the worst of

522
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,000
all worlds. You have really really hot summers and cold

523
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,079
not snowy winters. So it's very hard to say, okay,

524
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,519
this is heat, this is cold tolerant to zone six

525
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,799
and kind of address those huge differences within USDA Zone six.

526
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,799
So I will tell you my experience here with reblooming

527
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:15,839
evergreen azaleas in USDA Zone six B. They survive winter,

528
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,160
but you wish they hadn't because they come out looking

529
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,960
so crummy, especially if you have like those prolonged periods

530
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,559
of very cold weather, what snow melting on them, they

531
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,160
will survive. And the reason that your plant is not

532
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,759
flowering in spring is because the winter setback is so

533
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,319
severe it kills all of those spring buds because those

534
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,119
spring buds are on old wood, so those flower buds

535
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,960
would need to make it all the way through winter

536
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,279
intact in order to be able to bloom in spring.

537
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:47,160
So that kind of takes out your spring bloom. In

538
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,319
most cases, now you'd be thinking, Okay, well it can rebloom.

539
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,400
That's one of the reasons I'm growing this, except that

540
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,920
that winter setback was so severe that they don't even

541
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,160
have a chance to get on the vegetative growth that

542
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920
they need from that winter setback to be able to

543
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,279
get to the stage where they're setting flower buds for

544
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,960
a rebloom. So in that case, Drew, it's not so

545
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,200
much that you're doing anything wrong. It's just that this

546
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:17,359
is a tough plant to grow in your conditions. If

547
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,720
you have a protected area kind of like up near

548
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,839
your house or in a little corner a microclimate, try

549
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:27,720
to take advantage of that. But I would say to

550
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:31,480
have reasonable expectations about what these plants can actually do

551
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:35,200
in your landscape, and you don't have to disappoint your wife,

552
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,160
because there are still lots of wonderful, hearty azaleas that

553
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,720
can grow perfectly well in your climate. They're not reblooming,

554
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,359
but they'll still give you, you know, a lot of that

555
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,240
good azalea life absolutely.

556
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Like you always say, Stacey, send your questions and conundrums,

557
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
and Drew has a conundrum.

558
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: And yes, right, and he does. Drew, you do have

559
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,359
some iron induced chlorrosis on your plants or that's probably

560
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:05,799
pH induced. So a lot of everybody knows that rhododendrons

561
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:09,880
and azaleas need acidic soil. If they don't have acidic soil,

562
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,079
certain nutrients that they need are tied up, and one

563
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:16,119
of those is iron. So it's typically a good idea

564
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:18,839
if you are growing them in less than ideal pH

565
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,039
like anything kind of i'd say above like six so

566
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,640
neutral to even slightly acidic is usually not enough for them.

567
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,920
You're going to need to apply some sort of iron wrench.

568
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:30,799
And that's going to be true whether you're trying to

569
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,359
grow the evergreen reblooming ones or any other type of azalea.

570
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,319
So it's fine, you just kind of have to deal

571
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:41,720
with your pH. But mulch organic matter and moisture will help,

572
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,279
but I'd say a lot of rhododendron and azalea growers

573
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,119
they keep the iron close at hand because they use

574
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,599
a lot of it.

575
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,519
Speaker 1: Check the pH I agree, and let me mention that, again,

576
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,400
coming from the garden center industry, I believe the Espoma

577
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,079
Holy Tone is fab for azalea's and rhododendron.

578
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,839
Speaker 2: That's true, Yeah, definitely. I don't usually recommend it unless

579
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,400
you know your soil needs acidifying, but i'd say that

580
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,359
based on the condition of your azalea's, yours does. So

581
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,440
that's an easy way. Although I don't think that's available

582
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,720
in Canada, and I know Drew is in Canada, but

583
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,599
I'm sure you have something similar, so just check at

584
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,079
your local garden center. All right, So, thank y'all so

585
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,240
much for your questions. We're going to take a little break.

586
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When we come back, we're picking up that conversation on squashes, pumpkins,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show. Let the Gourd

593
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Times rule. I got to give you a quick joke here, Stacy.

594
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,839
See if this one works. What are jack o lanterns

595
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:03,039
afraid of the dark things that go pumpkin the night?

596
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:03,559
Speaker 2: Oh?

597
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cute. Thank you. Now, I wish I wouldn't

598
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:14,480
have used that. Throw that one away. Okay, So this

599
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:19,840
is interesting. Illinois is far and away America's pumpkin growing king.

600
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,440
By the numbers. They produce four hundred and eighty five

601
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,519
point one million pounds of pumpkins in twenty twenty four,

602
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,840
according to USDA data. So that's amazing. And much of

603
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,440
the state's output is used for the canned stuff that

604
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,480
you might buy for making pumpkin pie or bread.

605
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,639
Speaker 2: Well, I hear that's actually a Hubbard squash, not a pumpkin. Yeah,

606
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,519
so I know that blows a lot of people's mind

607
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:48,599
because in their head they're having a pumpkin pie and

608
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:50,679
it's that cute little pumpkin that's on your front porch

609
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,360
that became a pie. No, it's a Hubbard squash, which

610
00:34:53,400 --> 00:35:01,159
is an absolutely glorious squash giant, so big, but not

611
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,440
what you have in your mind. So I would highly

612
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,559
resturmend that. But it's okay. What matters, does it taste good?

613
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: So Illinois number one, Indiana comes in number two, Pennsylvania, California,

614
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,639
and then where we live, Michigan. So the climate, the

615
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:21,199
soil conditions, they kind of call it the Orange Belt,

616
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,719
makes it ideal for growing pumpkins. What I thought was

617
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,920
really interesting is this summer in August, we had a

618
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,920
gully washer rainstorm, and especially in Wisconsin across the lake,

619
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,400
they had flooding in the Milwaukee area, and they were

620
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,880
saying that in some of the pumpkin fields people who

621
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,519
grow pumpkins, the pumpkins were actually floated.

622
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

623
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had rained so hard. And I was reading

624
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:55,239
about a farmer there his son had recommended that in

625
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,039
the past that he grow rye grass, tall rye grass,

626
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,840
and he says it makes a straw mat for the

627
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,079
pumpkins to grow them, and he feels it helped save

628
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,840
their pumpkins this year. So I thought that that was

629
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,840
pretty interesting. Of course, storing pumpkins, pumpkins and winter squash

630
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,920
store best long term in a cool, dark airy location

631
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,360
about fifty to sixty degrees, but you want a relatively

632
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,400
coolish area. Reason I bring that up, Stacy, is that

633
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,880
soon we'll be packing away our summer flowering bulbs, digging

634
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,079
up our cannas, our allocations other plants. And a key

635
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,559
is dry and cool. You do not want to put

636
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:48,159
things into storage wet. You want it dry and cool

637
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,360
when we're storing all things horticultural so to speak.

638
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: And you know the squash, So if you're growing it

639
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,840
yourself and you harvest it for storage, you should definitely

640
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,480
out in the sun to harden that to make sure

641
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:07,360
that shell gets nice and tough for you know, for storage.

642
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,679
You can't just like harvest it and need some time

643
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,159
to develop outside of the plant when it's no longer

644
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,039
getting that water, get that hard shell. And that's what

645
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,679
makes it so easy to keep long term.

646
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Agree winter squash. I also along the lines of this show,

647
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,519
thought I would look up Guinness Book of World Records

648
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Minnesota horticulture teacher Travis Genger I believe is his name,

649
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:39,280
two seven and forty nine pound pumpkin Wow, which beat

650
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,639
the previous record by forty seven pounds. Now this was

651
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:46,880
a couple of years ago, but What I found interesting

652
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,960
about this and why I bring it up, is he

653
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:55,559
said that his pumpkin's gigantic size. It got to that

654
00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:01,039
point because of the extra care and twelve watering a day.

655
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:08,960
He named the pumpkin Michael Jordan, actually Michael Gordon. But

656
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,679
here's the thing, care and feeding. To get to that

657
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,800
point and to get that record pumpkin, he spent fifteen

658
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,360
thousand dollars on the pumpkins care and feeding, oh my god,

659
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,639
according to the website, to get to that point. So

660
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,360
for you, while I'm gonna grow a world record giant pumpkin,

661
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,559
better think about what it takes to get to that point.

662
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,519
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you don't have to grow a world

663
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,119
record breaking pumpkins to still grow a really fun and

664
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,679
cool pumpkin. But I'm glad that you brought up the

665
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,320
giant pumpkins because of course, you know, the world Pumpkin

666
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,280
way off is October fourth, so that's coming soon. And

667
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,000
every year they seem to break the barrier. They get

668
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,960
bigger and bigger. Took a long time to break the

669
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,920
one ton barrier, but now that they do, it happens regularly.

670
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,760
But to grow any kind of large pumpkin, it's not

671
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,760
a matter of taking any old pumpkin and pumping it

672
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,559
full of water and fertilizer. You can only grow a

673
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,400
giant pumpkin from a giant pumpkin seed, not that the

674
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,679
seed is giant, it is a seed for a giant pumpkin.

675
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,760
So if you're into that, make sure that you're picking

676
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,840
something that can actually do what you want it to do.

677
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,119
And you know know that you are if you really

678
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:22,840
want it to get it as big as possible, you're

679
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,079
definitely in for a lot of work and TLC. But

680
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:29,440
it can be so fun. And you know when when

681
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,880
like the pumpkin that you just mentioned, you know that

682
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,159
guy will probably if he wins any kind of contest,

683
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,639
he'll make up his money in prize money, but he

684
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:41,039
will also make up his money in selling the seeds,

685
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:45,360
because you know, typically a single giant pumpkin seed over

686
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,320
the one ton mark can easily go for one hundred

687
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,639
dollars or more for a single seed. So Adrianna is

688
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:57,480
making some notes here retirement plan. So definitely you don't

689
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,039
need to go to that level, because you know, any

690
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,679
standard seed company will sell some really large pumpkins. But

691
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,880
it's all about what you're starting out with, you bet.

692
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: Now. Of course, anybody who's grown Q kurbets in their yard,

693
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,280
whether it's cucumbers, pumpkins, squash, gords, whatever it may be.

694
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,559
I have found through the years folks who ask me

695
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,400
questions they struggle a little bit with the male and

696
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:24,719
female flowers and pollination and whether or not they should

697
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,480
use a brush or a Q tip and help the

698
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:35,079
process along. Don't worry if your winter squash only has

699
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:41,440
male or female flowers early in the season. That's usually

700
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the case, and it's pretty common for young plants. And

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what I have found through the years they see is

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that as the plants grow and develop and they start

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to take off, the ratio will even out as the

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plant matures. But you know, I had a customer, a

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00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:02,320
lady who called and and said that she got only

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female plants, and she was insisted she only got female plants,

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and someone at the garden center told her she had

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to come in and buy some males. And she thought

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that was ridiculous. Now I said, yes, it is really.

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So My point is there's a little bit of hand

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holding early on in the sea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do need to be patient, and of course

713
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if you are a giant pumpkin grower, you can't afford

714
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,000
to be patient because you need to get those things

715
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,559
going as soon as possible. But for most of us

716
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who are just growing you know, squashes and gourds and

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pumpkins to enjoy at home. Yeah, a single plant will

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produce separate male and female flowers. You can tell the

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difference because the female flowers will have the little pre

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formed fruit at the base of the flower, so it

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needs to get pollinated from the adjoining male flower. And

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those plants, those flowers both need to be present at

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the same time. They can be on different plants. That

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works just fine, but you do need both. And yeah,

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I find with at least with zucchini, which is the

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main circubit that I've ever grown, I find that I

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get a lot of male flow for the first couple,

728
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you know, weeks, and it takes a while for the

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female flowers to start appearing.

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Speaker 1: But for some people that patience is difficult. So then

731
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get out there with a Q tip. It's fun, of course,

732
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many many different types and that's the point. Here's so

733
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many different types of pumpkins, but so many different types

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of gourds and squash and curcubita.

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Speaker 2: Pepo or people curcubita people.

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Speaker 1: I've heard it pronounced both ways. Yeah, it's a fun

737
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one people, But that's your that. Those are your highly colorful,

738
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ornamental type gords that we would always sell in the

739
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garden center and are always fun for decorating. And then

740
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if you want to really get into this, of course

741
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you could get into the hard shell gords, the lufa gords. Right,

742
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all of this, and again I have found stacy in

743
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many cases. What it comes down to is getting the

744
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right seed in spring.

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Speaker 2: Definitely know what you want to grow and she's that,

746
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and of course giving it enough space. And even if

747
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you're not trying to grow a record breaking pumpkin or gored,

748
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,039
these are plants that are very hungry and thirsty.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: You cannot pretty much fertilize them enough. You know, weekly

751
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,239
is probably fine for most of us, but they're really

752
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,320
going to need a lot of resources to be able

753
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,800
to produce. And the bigger the plant, the bigger the

754
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,320
fruit that it produces, the more it's going to need.

755
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,000
I've typically found that those with smaller fruits are going

756
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:37,599
to be a little bit less demanding, or at least

757
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:39,599
you just get something because you know, sure those little

758
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,800
pumpkins might be this big, but at least you're getting them.

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Speaker 1: The bigger the pumpkin, the harder they fall, right, that's

760
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:48,039
how it works. And yeah, you're right, lots of sunlight

761
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:52,119
watering over the top can become a problem. So consider

762
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all of those things if you're thinking of growing gourds

763
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,079
or pumpkins in your garden next year. But if you

764
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have the space or you've got a great harbor, Stacey,

765
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I encourage people to do it.

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Speaker 2: It's so fun, and especially if you have kids or grandkids,

767
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,639
they're just going to go bananas to see that, so

768
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,880
it's worth it if you have a space. I don't.

769
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I wish I did.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that's it from the boardroom, all yours.

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Speaker 2: I'm the chairman of the Gord and.

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Speaker 1: Chairman of the Bard, so take it away.

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Speaker 2: Well okay, So and our.

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Speaker 1: Viewers and listeners, Adriana are going to be upset if

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you edit this out, so I think you're gonna have

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to leave it in.

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Speaker 2: You're really getting the all right anyway, Thank you Rick

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for all of that. That was amazing. Thank you Adriana,

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and thanks so much to all of you for listening

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and watching. We truly appreciate it, and if you have

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a wonderful week ahead,