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Speaker 2: Hello, it's Ryan.
Speaker 1: There you are. I talked about on the on the
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Carlin also, so Ryan, you're the permanent New Coast forever.
Speaker 2: Wow. I'm I'm clear how excited to be here and
see you later?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I took over. I took over Challenged as Trump
did into America, and I kicked out everybody that I
disagreed with. And now it's just me, That's right, except me,
who is the king of Challenge. Uh not really. Wolf
and Carlin will be back next week. They both just
had previous obligations. Ryan stepped in very kindly.
Speaker 2: Hi, Ryan, Hello, thank you for having me. I'm so
excited Challenge and not just send you a million fucking.
Speaker 1: That's right. You're used to hearing Ryan's name. We always
say oh Ryan from the chatroom says this. But now Ryan,
you can just say whatever you feel like without me
saying what you feel.
Speaker 2: Like real, it's staring a lot of power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget what Wolfe says. At the tap of
the show, showed us on Facebook, joined us on Patreon. Um,
we'll get to the drafts. We're going to social media shit.
All that stuff comes later, but for now, let's get
into the real episode. This one's season forty one. That's
versus New Threats, Episode thirteen. This one's called they are
Like Cockroaches Chuck Shaw, We're back in the house. Adrian
talks first. She hates that everyone is congratulating them because
she knows that they're the team they're going to keep
getting them thrown in, so she feels like it's sort
of like empty praise or whatever. She's right, right, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big time. Yeah. I like, sorry, I took a
little bit of notes too, because I felt like, yeah,
I just all of the rookies are so savvy this season.
They just are so hyper aware. And maybe it's just
well coached by the bets or whatever, but she just
seemed to be so in tune with her fate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, and THEO knows that too, he said, He's
the one that says next that they've just got to
keep eliminating these guys one by one. It's going to
keep being them. We've seen this a lot. Once you
start saying a name, and especially they are now in
the Outnumbered Alliance, it is everybody knows, it's just going
to keep being them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once you're in there a couple of times, it's
it's a done deal.
Speaker 1: Yep. But numbers are dwindling. So there are some people
that have been sort of playing the middle and not
necessarily pledging their alliance, and now it's time to pledge
your alliance. One of those is Cedric. He says he's
been nice and friendly so far, but he can't play
in the middle anymore. So, Yeah, it seems like people
are picking aside and they it's you know, quote unquote
super Alliance versus the Brits.
Speaker 2: I don't'st the super Alliance. Then it's so stupid, Like
if you want, if you just think to the beginning
of the sea, they had the numbers. They've just lost.
They just haven't won chat daily's and they haven't won
eliminate outside of THEO and Adrian or THEO himself, whatever,
they they just haven't won. That's why they're facing you know,
the the underdog status or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and the super Alliance, I don't really even
think they're a super tight alliance. I think it's just
really against the Brits. I think it's the Brits and
everybody else wants the BRIT's gone. And once the Brits
are gone that they're going to fracture really quickly. But
you know, so they're calling it the super Liance, but
that's not really what it is in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not at all. And that was I think
even more so what Adrian pointed out was as long
as they're there, everybody has somebody to go against. If
they that's when they have to start going against each other.
Like not even just that they're going to go and
it makes it easy, but it makes the decision easy.
Somebody else loses, okay, perfect, Yeah, they almost don't want
the on Adrian to lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you and Adrian, I think they're making
a mistake. I think one of them should have stuck
a claim last week and this week and like what
are they doing? Of course it's going to be them.
Not only have they continued to say their name, but
it's two Brits. So it's the easiest one of any
of it. If you split the Brits up, that's a
better choice. So yeah, there's no reason why they haven't
staked the claim yet. It's weird that they haven't. We
see justin talking to Sydney in America, everyone seems to
be hating on Herbo well, going into this later in
the social media stup. But Turbo's being a little overbearing
and a little weird lately. Are you getting that impression, Ryan, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This was like my favorite season of his about halfway through.
You know what we've seen so far progressively has gotten
more obnoxious. The stuff that he said to THEA. I mean,
he's just picking weird fights and I don't know, you
guys said it one of the last couple of weeks,
like maybe maybe it's just so he has a reason
to vote against them. Otherwise he isn't compelled to or
can't justify it in it's like, you know, I'm better
than you kind of way. But I don't know, I'm
not digging Turbo by the last three or four episodes
the same.
Speaker 1: Yes, he came into this season kind of lighthearted and cool,
and then he's getting weird at this point, just getting
we just getting sort of weird. Yeah, into the regular
regular theater or turbo weirdness, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We had a brief scene of Cedric being massaged by
Nanni and Aviv.
Speaker 2: Yeah on both ends, Like holy shit, Like, first off,
didn't Aviv just get in all kinds of trouble for
like her toes touching Johnny Dude, I was gonna say
it to Ago. It was this whole big thing. And
now she's like, I mean that felt like if I
were on the other side, I would think that was
crossing a line.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're saying that because I agree, Like Nanny
is Nanny. She's single and she can do whatever. But yeah,
there's there's a Viv who is a married mom who
got in trouble last season for sort of pushing some boundaries,
and now she's doing that. There's something a little bit like,
I don't know, that's like felt a little weird.
Speaker 2: It felt very weird. If it wasn't the way that
Ashley was acting about it, the way that Nannie was
giggling the whole time, the way that Cedric was acting
like he was you know, in heaven kind of thing,
Like I would think, oh, she is like a physical
therapist or something, but she's falling back on like, well,
I just I can't really get massages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know this had very strong sexual overtones from
the whole room, and it was all feeding into it
and it was yeah.
Speaker 2: Good, Actually is the one coming to actually having good advice?
That's scary what I think.
Speaker 1: Cedric was the one playing into it the least from
what we saw anyway. He was just sort of laying
there and the girls are going nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean he's He's a good looking guy,
no doubt. So I'm sure that they were all old
lady like rubbing down the twenty year old or whatever
he is. But I've just proven once again the perb
status comes in all shapes and right.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we get a bunch of these phone calls Ryan.
We get Ryan calling not you, Ryan, Ryan keho friend
of the show? Me and you met the other Ryan together?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I hated it. Why did they like each other?
You hated it be on the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, you hated a phone call. I hated a phone
call too. I didn't know they were close. Why why
is Ryan talking to Olivia.
Speaker 2: Who fucking knows. They probably met at one of the
challenge events or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a super weird conversation they had. It
seemed like they didn't know each other very well either.
Olivia is just talking about like, I'm having problems with
with Will, my partner, and Ryan is like, who's Will?
I don't know what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: You're so good, you're ready to win. You can do it,
I know because I want a whole bunch of times myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but dude, that's there was like a montage of
all these people saying, you can do it, just keep
with it. Everybody on the phone calls were saying that
Ryan said that America called her boyfriend Corey, which is
man always like dork.
Speaker 2: His room looked weird.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he looked like how did he end
up with America? My God? Good for him.
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, yeah, I got it, dude.
Speaker 1: But Cory said the same thing, Go America. Justin and
his mom. His mom said the same thing, go America
or go to America? Sure, why not? Everybody's like that,
go Justin. Jake talked to his dog. Turns out I
hate Jake. Hate Jake.
Speaker 2: This episode fucking yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they point in the wrong direction too,
like lazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. And then we get Leroy talking to Cam and
the kids. It's always nice to see Cam and the kids.
Speaker 2: I liked the song this, the whole phone call thing.
The kids were like kissing the camera and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, the second we saw the kids,
it's like, by Leroy, that's it, buddy, you get you,
you get your kids on screen, it's over for you.
Speaker 2: He gave. There were way too many little little hints,
poor Leroy, Poor Leroy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does say here that you know, politically he
feels good, he feels protected, and that's true. I think
had he you just got to not come in last, dude,
and then I really think he could have read this
out for a long time. Yeah, super says by Leroy. Yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his political game's great. He definitely finds himself even
without Johnny around, and that's happened a few seasons more recently.
He doesn't seem as lost. He can navigate. He's able too,
but he's just not good, Like he's just not good
at the game, and he's good at eliminations. If he
can run through a wall but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, unfortunately I love Leright. Leroy will never win
this show because yes, as you said, he's not good
at enough, like he's got too many weeks of his
and not enough strengths. He's just not unless it's a
team or a really strong partner season. I just don't
think it's gonna happen for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean America, for as sweet and stuff as
she was, she wasn't gonna carry the team kind of
person or lead or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get Olivia. This is our first hint from
Olivia that she and Will do not speak to each
other when they're not actively playing the game. Oh, Ryan,
you get disconnected. Ryan's having problems.
Speaker 2: It's disconnected twice think I'm back.
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: I can hear you.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard it, all right, I can hear you.
All right, all right, we'll assume it's good. This is
where Olivia says that her and Will don't speak to
each other if they're not like playing the game. It's
kind of weird, right to like live in the house
with your partner and not speak to them between the games.
Speaker 2: How did you twenty four hours a day and there's
like fifteen people or twenty people left and you don't
talk to them at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's weird. Like early in the season, when
there's like forty people playing, I can see like, okay,
you can kind of hide in the shadows and not
speak to your partner. Yeah, fifteen people left. How do
you avoid them in the like they've got to be
right there all the time.
Speaker 2: It's a very weird. I mean I would feel that way.
If it was anybody in the house. They could say
it was a eve or fucking whoever and I don't talk.
I would think that was strange. But your partner, it
would be all I was doing would be up their ass.
Let's work out to get like, what else do you
have to fucking do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, It's very weird, and I blame Will for this.
I do not like Will.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we get a slow mo workout montage.
That's cool, and then we get justin Will Nannie and Mikayla.
They are talking and Mikayla is trying really hard to
talk Will into staking a claim. Smart move by Mikayla. Yeah,
don't you.
Speaker 2: Think definitely anything too further complicate? It would be this
game I think makes sense for Mikayla and yep, but
I guess I wonder, like she suggests that does she
know where he's going? Like, who's whose game? Is he
fucking up if they make a move?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, I guess we don't. We don't know that.
Maybe that's step Step two for Mikayla is uh oh
Ryan figured out what's happening? Bro oh nice sound good? Yes,
Step two is maybe Michayla figuring out who Will should
throw in. But for right now, she just kind of
wants to convince him to maybe consider a new partner
because Olivia is terrible and they're clearly not getting along.
And then Will says that he's struggling this partnership. But
he's just sort of a fucking prick, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems awful, Like he reminds me of Dunbar
kind of. Yeah, like just obnoxious, hard to deal with,
always has a problem with everybody.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's never emotional, it's never his fault. Anything that
happens is somebody else's, Like you're always looking for somebody
to blame. Yes, that's Will. He is terrible. And with
that we're onto the challenge Christ Challenge progess this fucking interface, dude,
it fucking sucks. So as they're walking to the challenge,
Sydney and you know, Ryan, I want to hear what
you say about Sidney, but she says, you know, I've
never been viewed as an underdog because like, look at me,
everyone knows that it's just like the top dog. Uh.
I like Sydney's attitude. Do you how do you? How
do you feel about Sydney?
Speaker 2: This was the first time that I haven't like over
the moon loved Sydney. She just she's like wise beyond
her years. She's so in tune with the game. She
knows she is great. Like she I know that it's
insane and something could go really wrong this season to
change this. But I think she has the potential of
finishing one season and being the conversation of the top
ten top five women to ever play the game. Yeah,
like that future in front of her. But she needs
to be fucking humbled. Like I hate who comes in
and it is like that cocky like Jesus christ Man.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love this cockyness. Have you seen
the video floating around? She was like a college runner.
Have you seen this video of her in college. No,
I haven't, dude, I have to try. I have to
find it and send it to you. It's great. She's
got to be twenty or twenty one, Like she's a
child in this thing. And they're like, you know, how
do you feel about your you know, your runs so far?
She's like, I feel really good. Actually I've never run before,
but I trained really hard and now I'm the best
in the state and I've beat all these people and
I'm way faster than all of that. Like she just
like keeps going on and on about how great.
Speaker 2: She is Jesus Christ, and.
Speaker 1: She's like perky and fun about it, like it's it's
it's very interesting to watch her and then compare to
now she's always had this weird attitude. It's great.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, so irrational confidence gets people to like
great places, like there are tons of people and whether
you like them or not, like that sort of confidence
in yourself undeniably helps you overachieve kind of things. So,
I mean, it makes sense. She seems like the kind
of person who probably has overachieved most of her life,
and that's the continued affirmation of her irrational confidence.
Speaker 1: But she's an attorney dude's full she's like twenty six
or twenty seven, but she's like a full time attorney,
like and then she comes on.
Speaker 2: These shows she's an attorney too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like really smart, and she's from Mere's a
super wealthy family in Beverly Hills or some shit.
Speaker 2: And she's like a fucking model hot. Like some people
really do have it all. I'm like raping together.
Speaker 1: It's not fair. You look at somebody like Sydney, it's
like fuck you, but but good for you, all right.
One of the challenge this some one called high haystack
heist Ryan, how do you play this game?
Speaker 2: Hate? So you're you got a big ass god damn
something with the with the recording.
Speaker 1: Back again, This recording is all funked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like there's like a thousand different recordings
that fuck it up. If it says that I'm at
the beginning again right now, we'll see a crossing our
fingers because I don't know what the fuck's happening. So
there's a big ass pile of haste or hay bales.
There is a chest with some sort of I don't know,
prize inside or smoke bomb or something. You've got to
go find two poles that have Ryan.
Speaker 1: What happened to you? Buddy? There? He goes, right, what's that?
Speaker 2: Damn? I don't know. You tell me this is I'm
feeling real bad right now that.
Speaker 1: No, you're good. Do you need to restart your app?
Maybe restart your app or your phone or something.
Speaker 2: I definitely can do you on a hang. Yeah, I'm
gonna have to.
Speaker 1: All right, you do that. I'll just talk chat them
help me out as I as I chat awkwardly. No,
you're good, I'll talk. I'll talk awkwardly. I'll buy myself
chatroum say stuff if you have something to say. Otherwise
I'm just gonna keep talking like a weird person to myself. Okay,
So this one's called Haystack Heist. As they yeah, Super
says aws outage. Hey, I'm a web developer full time.
I was dealing with that shit in real time. It
was a disaster of a day. Thank you for reminding me.
Oh this is stand oh high stan Uh. So as
they start I really like this, Leo yells out, Jeremy's
a bitch. It's like the first thing he yells as
they start running, and then year me yells back, you
fucking piece of shit. But I liked it. They seemed
like lighthearted and like just kind of fucking rasping each other,
which the challenges missed. This sort of lighthearted miss I think, Stan,
do you agree? Stand agrees all us whom Yeah, Stan
says the rookies are fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like young dude energy that I'm
I'm into this thing. So as they start, THEO decides
he's gonna start just pulling two of these haystacks every time.
And his quote is that he's usually a racehorse, but
today he's a workhorse. Hey, how's THEO as the villain? Stan?
You like THEO as the villain? I do? I really
like this exchange. I like that he's like, Stan is
not a fan this THEO is a dumb ass. I
personally liked it. I think that he's a good villain.
He's like kind of fun, he's easy to hate, and
he says these fun little lines like yeah, I'm a racehorse,
but today I'm a workhorse. He's super tall and didn't try.
I agree he lost this and he shouldn't have, but
he did carry two of those hey often, so he
did he worked. He worked at this one, Turbo sees
that THEO is carrying two hay bales or Turbo also
tries to carry too, but he kind of can't do
it as good. It's really slunging him down, and Sidney
is shocking, like there he is, Hey, Ryan, I'm back good.
I'm sick of talking to myself. I'm at the point
where THEO is carrying two hay bales by himself, and
Turbo tries to do it but he kind of can't,
and Sidney seemingly can't fucking help. Why is Sidney so
weak at this? Why is Turbo so weak at this?
What's going on here with these guys?
Speaker 2: I don't know. If it's just a body weight thing like,
that's the only thing I can think. I thought, like,
you know, Theo's great. Maybe CT or Gabe would have
been great at this. It seemed like even Nannie and Justin,
who I guess are bigger than Sydney. I mean, it's
crazy to me that Turbo is less capable than Justin
in this situation, right, Yeah, I don't know. It seemed
like the strategy was carry as many as you could
and slow but steady wins the race. Like the teams
that made sure they always took at least two did well.
Maybe outside of Will and Olivia, I guess, I don't know. Yeah,
the Turbo and Sydney thing through me, Like, is Sidney
a bitch? Like she is? She just a runner? Is
that all? She's great, she's smart and she can run,
but she's weak.
Speaker 1: She does say, I'm not a cross that person. I
can't carry these things, but she's like everyone else can
do it, even a Viva is carrying it on her back. Like,
I don't know, it feels weird that Sidney can't do more,
considering how good she's been at everything else. But somebody
that doesn't surprise me, as America, she can't even carry one.
Oh this, I feel so bad for Lera. He's trying
to just he just wants to get two between the
two of them, and he can't figure out a way.
And finally he's just like, just fuck it, just do
you just run and I'll carry it.
Speaker 2: Then Yeah, and they just did one and tried to
be fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point it looked like she did carry one,
but it took her a while to kind of work
out to that. And she does look she looks like
a small person, but like poor Leroy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think now Leroy in his prime, do
you think he can carry two by himself? And yeah,
it just runs.
Speaker 1: I do think Leroy in his prime he would have
put yeah, one over each shoulder. I'm a little surprised
he didn't in this is he still big? I'm surprised
he didn't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was too a little bit. I thought maybe
he was just truly tricked by the Anissa and what's
the other guy's named, Jake? Jake there have strategy and
he thought that they were ahead, so he wasn't pressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. It was very weird, but yes,
you mentioned Anissa and Jake. They have a weird strategy
that there's two poles, one is apparently further away than
the other pole, and everybody except for Nissen Jake goes
to the first pole and Essen Jake go to the
second pole first, and everybody seems to think this is
a weird move. And Lisa thinks it's weird, Sidney thinks
it's Everybody they talk to seems to think it's weird.
Is it youd Ryan? Is this a weird move?
Speaker 2: I thought that it. I mean, it is weird because
they were the only one to do it, But I
thought that it was smart, like when you have the
most energy in the tank, like the beginning of it,
get the furthest one out of the way so and
then you figure out how to do it as well,
so that the closer one you bang out and you
have the strategy. It seemed to make sense to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that strategy made like if that's the way Jake
sold it, I would be on board, like, yeah, you
should go to for the furthest one first when you're
the freshest. But Jake is sort of talking about like, oh,
it's a head game. They're not gonna know or confuse them.
It's like, I don't know, there's only two. Like all
I gotta do is count the two.
Speaker 2: See I still know where you're at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like it seemed like he was trying
to sell it into a bigger move than it was,
and I don't know it was. It was a little weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to judge, like is the strategy saund
because they didn't finish last and he had a Nissa
as a partner, or is this you know or is
it just is it flawed because maybe they would have
won if it wasn't Anissa and it was somebody that regular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the where we get Nannie kind
of speaking really confidently. She talks about how people are struggling.
They're trying to do two, they're trying to do three,
they're like kind of trying to figure out how to
work together. But Nannie says me, and Justin, we're just moving.
We're just going. We're not talking, we're not fighting, we're
not negotiating, We're just we're just going.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they yeah, they just keep going.
Speaker 2: This is Nanny's condy game, like the really simple. It
shocked me because her partner was Justin, not because I
think Justin isn't good. He's just one of the smaller
guys there, like a carrying long distance that would work
against him. But she seems like a like at this point,
like cardio stamina that's her strength, like mindless stamina. Particularly
how there's a puzzle at the end of it where
she has to use her brain. That's a story.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think both of them, they just neither of
them are known for their strength, and this is a
strength game of carrying these big hay bales and so yeah,
seeing them do really well, it was like a little
it was strange seeing Justin carrying two of these, yeah,
and Turbo not being able to is like, oh, good
for you, Justin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally agree.
Speaker 1: Mikayla twister ankle. We'll see if this comes into play later.
I certainly hope not. She twist ankle, tries to hide it.
She says, like, I just can't show weakness. I just
have to finish in the middle. I'm obviously not going
to finish first, but just have to make sure nobody
sees me struggling.
Speaker 2: Seems like no one under the radar, nobody.
Speaker 1: Else mentioned it, and by the end she seems like
she's walking in a way that's decent. Like, I don't know,
it doesn't seem like it's terrible of an injury. I
hope she's not taken out of the game for.
Speaker 2: This thing, and I hope not. This is a near
flawless game she's played so far. It would be really
sad if she went home because of an injury.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with this, Like she's walking across a field,
you know what I mean, Like, what a fucking pathetic
way to twist your ankle and via the game. But yeah, okay,
So we get Sydney and Turbo and Aviv and Yeermi
they're struggling here. They're like just fighting over a last
place here, which is weird because these are some of
the strongest teams.
Speaker 2: About the top two teams probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. I mean every every episode seems to
have like teams that you would think would do well struggling,
and this time, yeah, it's it's two teams that you
think would do well. And Leo takes the opportunity to say, like, hey,
these people, like we're putting these people on a pedestal,
like they can't be beaten, but look at them, like
they're not doing well in these games. We can beat
these people, which I think Leo is is right and
I think he's smart and I'm looking forward to seeing
what he's doing later this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah love Leoh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we get a lot of scenes of Will
and Olivia playing this game. Jesus, Will sucks. What's fucking
wrong with this guy? Man?
Speaker 2: Why how is he disappointed in Olivia? Like is I mean,
Olivia is obnoxious and not likable this season for the
most part, but if you're just objectively going into a partnership,
and how she's performed in the past couple of seasons,
even up until they switched partners she was one of
the top women in the game. Like if he played
into that a little bit. She we's seen how she
was with Harassio. She just needs somebody to be like,
good job, you got this. And she is great. But
he's so shitty, like yeah, I mean unbearable to root for.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's awful because he just wants to like his
thing is not even about winning. His thing is just
I don't want to be blamed for losing, so I
would rather like talk shit about Olivia and like be
a fucking prick then like try to win the game.
Because yeah, he was you know, last episode he was
bitching because Olivia is doing too much. She was carrying
too heavy of items and this, uh, he's bitching because
she's underperforming and he's got to pick up the slack.
It's like pick one, dude, is she working too hard
or not hard enough?
Speaker 2: She's he's not doing or she's not doing exactly what
he says at all. Yeah, it's the it's the hunter,
It's the dun bar. It'stitude. Yeah, it's like it's still
it's misogynistic to some degree, Like maybe I'm reading beaure
the line.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's true.
Speaker 2: It's and which is crazy. He has no idea what
he's doing. He's been sobbing over fucking and everybody else
like you are pathetic, dude, get it together, carry the
haybail and shot the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but dude, it's also a power play of like
it's keeping her sort of in debt to him, so
that you know, when they go back to the house,
like she owes him, she's got to make it up.
So it's he's got to make her wrong every time.
He's just a dick. He's just a fucking dick and
just yeah, talks about her any chance he gets. I
hate this guy. I can't say enough bad ship about Will.
Speaker 2: It's and it's on his face, like it's not even
just how he acts or what he says, but you
can see it, like it could be muted and you
could watch him and his just demeanor, just the energy
he exudes through the fucking camera. It's like it really is.
It's miserable. It best miserable. Hate him, Yeah, if so,
I can continue to root against it. But I want
him to go. I want him to go home first. Next,
I want him to have anything to fucking stand on.
Speaker 1: What show is he from? Do you know?
Speaker 2: Off the top of your head, no idea. It's gotta
be one of those sable of those like axe grinding
shows or something.
Speaker 1: Say like Love Island or some fucking bullshit thing. He sucks,
So dude, he sucks. Okay, So I have here, Oh
it's the last round. Here THEO and Adrian they're climbing
up trying to get their second key, but also Justin
and Nanny are climbing up trying to get their second key.
And for some reason, I can't quite understand that, there's
no way you can make this make sense to me.
THEO says, we got to go back and get more
hay bales. Adrian says, no, we don't. Let's keep trying.
THEO says, yes we do. And then off they go
and off they go, and then that gives Justin and
non of the opportunity to just like fucking win, like
uncontestedly win. What happened here? What is THEO doing? What?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What was this right? Happened?
Speaker 2: I very confused. He's the callist guy in the game.
He's the callst guy to ever play the game. He
only needed to be standing on two a bails in
the fucking first place to be able to reach it.
Speaker 1: And dude, he looked like he looked an inch away
when he was like, oh, we got to get more hay,
but he looked so cl jump think you like jump
for it?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was very weird, makes absolutely no sense. The only
thing he said something in the in during the game,
like he thought that they grabbed it, or he thought
they didn't grab it. That like when they were running back,
he thought they didn't have it, so they were okay
or something, And it doesn't but it doesn't make any sense,
Like yeah, Supa said like seven foot tall, dumb ass. Yes, yes,
he's what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Very weird, very weird. But he did own it
right away. And I will say for THEO like I
like THEO because he didn't. He's not a will who's
going to try to blame it on Adrian or try
to excuse He just says like, hey, I fucked that up.
That was my mistake. Whoop, Sorry I didn't see it.
Speaker 2: My bad yeah, the great for the game. And yeah,
I don't know if you noted like the so the
little strategy thing. I think Nonny was the one who
called it out about how they stacked the haybiales differently,
like like on their side instead of just normal. I
didn't think about it, so, you know, maybe if I
was in the moment, I would like to think that
I would have considered this, But it hadn't crossed my
mind watching the show until she said it. But how
did nobody else think about it? Or like stack them
truly vertically all the way so you only needed two
or three of them, like, but nobody thought about that.
I don't know. I bet there was like a very
innovative thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet there was a really good against that one.
I thought the same thing about the vertical Yeah, yeah,
that seems too obvious. They must have said you can't
do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't see that because like maybe it's
like a loophole where on the side the other way
where you're on a few extra inches at that point.
But I mean, I guess every inch if it's a
race to how you know, how call you can get
or whatever. Yeah, you're right, there must have been like
a rule about stacking them like standing up totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there must have been another rule too, because
that looked like Sidney and Turbo were trying to do
a thing where like Turbo got to the top and
then Sydney would put another one where Turbo was already
at and then step on that. And it seemed like
they wouldn't allow that either.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like passing them up or whatever stack and
while you were standing, because we've seen eliminations that were
basically that game before where they were like passing up
boxes or something and trying to stack them.
Speaker 1: Yep, so it seemed like that wasn't allowed either. I mean, again,
these are things we didn't see them. We just have
to read between the lines of what we saw versus
who wins and shit like that.
Speaker 2: I'll never understand why they don't just explain the rules
in like a thurrough and kind of way. I guess
it gives them the ability to be ambiguous and do
whatever the fuck they wanted to buy it. It's just
confusing to me.
Speaker 1: It does seem like ten seconds of like a bullet
points would would clear this up. Like you can't sack
it vertically, you can't stack it while you're standing on
you know what I mean, Like, just like show us
the slide of the rules.
Speaker 2: That would be it would make watching the game more
fun because then if somebody thought of it, like the
little out of the box thing that Nami and Justin did,
and we're like, oh shit, they were able to work
around that wasn't in them, that wasn't in the rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. Uh, we have a weird aside.
I don't know why this made it into the episode
or why it was relevant, but Leo seems really interested
in how Ashley grabbed his ass to push him up
on top of the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was impressed of her strength. Apparently she's said
something about her she's a cheerleader and she can flip me,
flip me over, she wanted to.
Speaker 1: He was playing that back in his head when he
was talking about He's like, oh, she grabbed my right
ass cheek and pushed He was like playing it back.
I get it, Leo.
Speaker 2: Actually I used to always think she was I mean,
this is not important. She can be a good challenger otherwise,
but I used to think she was ugly, Like I
didn't get it. She just seemed like, and I know
she's had plastic surgery, and I'm not normally a fan
of that, Like I'm an all natural kind of fan.
But she's gotten hotter. Is she his age? Like she
his age? Well, I can see wildly I would be
into her ten years ago or whatever, not so much,
but I get it.
Speaker 1: I I I'm still not physically into Ash. I mean
she's she's a beautiful woman, don't get me wrong, but
like she's not that my usual type of woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 1: Do like her attitude and especially like we're going to
get into like when she starts telling jokes in the
gym a little later this episode, Like she does have
a good like a better spirit than she used to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's that settled down or like has some
sense of like like, I don't know, she's grounded in
a different way than she used to be for sure, Like, yeah, yeah,
she's not fully grounded. There's no way we can get
her like that normal person.
Speaker 1: But she's not a normal person.
Speaker 2: Right, She's incredibly strange.
Speaker 1: Stan says her boobs helped make her attractive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she did pay for a good boot job.
She said she was doing that after she won invasion.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and she did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good priorities. See, this is what I'm saying, your priorities.
This is the first time she's like my son.
Speaker 1: All right. So we got first place, Justin and Anti
second place, Theo and Adrian third, Aviv and Jeremie fourth place,
Ashley and Leo fifth place, Mikayla and Cedric sixth place,
Anissan Jake seventh place. Will In Olivia, where are.
Speaker 2: We, Jeremi? You are a little bit of a surprise, right,
Like they were struggling early and then they end up
finishing in third.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, they yeah, they they overtook in that yea
towards the end. Yeah. Okay. So as they're sort of
freaking out here, Olivia says she doesn't know if she
should hug Will or leave him alone because Will is
like fucking freaking out, and Will just says he wants
Olivia to take it more seriously because Olivia wants to
be babied during this ship, which I think is what
you were sort of alluding to.
Speaker 2: Ryan.
Speaker 1: Olivia likes to be talked up and.
Speaker 2: Shit, and yeah, saying, baby, this is a little ridiculous.
He's being an asshole. She's looking for something like more
in the regular part. Sure, if it was somebody who
was going to babe her all the I don't know.
I think he's the one who maybe maybe there's truth
in what he's saying, but exaggerated truth for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's I don't think she wants to
be babied. I think she wants what you were saying, Ryan,
or just like sort of good job, you're doing great,
you can do it, keep.
Speaker 2: Going yes, right, yeah, and Will instead.
Speaker 1: Of saying yeah exactly, but Will is saying like, you
fucked that up. You grab the wrong thing thing instead,
And so yes, there's not a great partnership so far.
Speaker 2: That's not how I told you to carry the hay bale.
You should carry with your leg your right hand, dumb bitch.
Yeah that's the ship.
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, super weird.
Speaker 2: Shit hate him.
Speaker 1: So we come down to the end. It's Leroy and
America versus Sydney and Turbo. Uh and yes, it's it's
kind of I don't know, a nail bier, right, It's
as close as you can get. They're both trying to
get their second key. They're both running across the field together.
It's as close as you can get these two people. Yeah,
crazy uh And you know, eventually Leroy and America lose.
Speaker 2: How did they lose? It seemed like they were to
the bottom of the pile like that overhead shot you
could see them around them or whatever. And then Leroy
says like it's the wrong it's the wrong So the
wrong key. They didn't say that there was like a
Dcoy Max, did they not that I saw?
Speaker 1: Or maybe that maybe it was just they had two
keys and it took them a second to get the
second key out and you know the other one that
got the first I got really don't who knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hated the way that it ended this once
again the rules thing, Like, it seems strange to me
that they lost based on the video evidence that they've produced.
Speaker 1: Yep, the same. All right, Well that's it for this challenge.
So we are back at the house, Tacha, and we've
got a Viva near me. They're talking about Sydney is
having a tough time in the house. We'll get into
this in the social media stuff. But have you read
about some of the social media stuff with Sidney and Turbo.
Speaker 2: I've seen not so much Turbo, but I've seen Sydney say,
and we can talk about it later, but that the
house was tough on her, that she hated it more
or less.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into the Turbo stuff later. That'll be
a fun little conversation. But jear Me is on Sydney's side.
He says that he's worried about Turbo sort of taking
control of that team of him and Sydney, and they
have a lot of power control and uh, she's just
sort of seating it because she's not super involved in
the game at the moment. Uh. Cedric and Will talking
this is Will complaining to Cedric about Olivia and Cedric
just looking really uncomfortable this whole time, Like fucking more, Cedric,
he wanted to be anywhere else in the universe in
this conversation, right.
Speaker 2: He's and he seems like the last person that you
would want to spew this too, Like in what way
has he represented himself as, Like, let's get serious and
I'm empathetic, but he's got He's diving into the bed
pretending he's Derek earlier in this episode, and he's making
jokes and getting massages like he's real.
Speaker 1: He's a good time goofball guy. Yes, he's not gonna
console you through your problem as well. And you're on
opposite side of the house also, so like what are
you doing for more Cedric? So Cedric looks uncomfortable, and
this is when Mikayla breaks in. Gotta love Mikayla. Whenever
she's on the screen. I'm just like, oh, there's somebody
that is smart and it's just gonna say obvious things.
Speaker 2: He has been like gold since her first season of Survivor,
every every chant, and she feels like a real vet.
There's something about like her presence and understanding of the game.
She she know it's only been deep in what one
season she went home early, you know in the first couple.
I don't know. I love Ma the same thing about it.
She shels so dead and so funny, just straight to
the point, like, don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: No, she's not fucking around. Yeah, because she says she
says it clearly. Everybody's sort of pussy footing around names
and whatever, like they don't want to say the name,
they just want to imply the name. And Mikayla gives
no fucks. She's just like, hey, it should be theot
Adrian this time, but uh, let's keep an eye on
uh Sydney and Turbo because they're a problem and we
should maybe throw them in next time. Like just fucking
saying the names and ship to people like thank you, Mikayla, like.
Speaker 2: He understands the numbers, Like she has run this game
in a way, like in a way that we haven't
seen anybody maybe since Cam did on The What Or
of the World's Too, when she sort of did like
back door behind Pauline and Kara. It's it's nearly a
flawless game. And the boldness, like you're talking about just
saying names and shit, like it's so refreshing, it's so cool.
Speaker 1: She's great. And it's also when she can't make a move,
like when she can't do what she wants to do,
she's also fine, just like fading back and like not
making the move. And we even saw it in nominations
this time. She didn't say the name. TJ said, Michaela,
do you want to say it? And she's like nope,
like Cedric can say it. Say that when she knows,
like I don't have to make this play. She's not
going to make the play.
Speaker 2: She really does understand there's a little bit of coral
in her to me, like her delivery and the confidence
and stuff that like she's feared. She's feared in a
different kind of way, not just because she's physically competitive.
But nobody wants to get in a war of words
with her. You don't want to hear the truth or
have her start talking about that them to everybody else
like she she really it's it's cool. I really like Michayla.
Speaker 1: She's the best. I fucking love Michaela.
Speaker 2: And she's hot on top of us.
Speaker 1: So well you said it, yeah, all right on a
club night, and so uh Leroy, God, Leroy is the
best human being in the planet, right, He's the best.
He starts to night just praising the shit out of America,
who essentially lost this challenge for them and is about
to well they both lost the elimination, but whatever. But yes,
it's all about Leroy making America feel better. And he
says the right things. He gives her all the right praise,
and I believe that it's genuine. Sometimes people say the
shit to their partners to like pump them up. I
believe Leroy is saying this for realties about America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just an authentically good person. Imagine him with
Olivia and this kind of affirmation that Olivia gets and
compliments LeRoy's game. Not to say America lost that she
I mean almost saved them, it seemed like. But yeah, yeah,
Leroy is a gem of a person, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say America probably lost the challenge for them,
but you know, LeRoi lost the eliminations probably how But
we'll get to that. We get Jake and Leo talking
about their super strong alliance. But what the fuck is this.
I've never heard of this, Like they met at the
airport and now they're an unending romance. These two.
Speaker 2: Apparently this has been a behind the scenes friendship. I
know that there was like a rookie sort of like
alliance to start, so I suppose that, like I knew
that to that, and they they were on the same team.
They're the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, it felt desperate. It felt like we
haven't seen Jake this whole season, so I don't know
anything about Jake. But now the first thing that we
see to Jake, he says to Leo, oh, hey, remember
what he met at the airport three weeks ago, and
now we're best friends. And I've never trusted anybody as
much as I've trusted you, and now we should throw
in Sydney and Turbo. Like it felt very heavy handed
and fucking like desperate and weird, and I didn't like
any part of this, And now I hate Jake. How
do you feel about it?
Speaker 2: I feel like he's like the off brand version of
Will And this was like about about as good as
he seemed, like a guy who was coached by Anissa.
That's about how it felt.
Speaker 1: It sure did. Yes, this this felt very felt, very coded. Yes,
Anissa Codd his name is the right word for this.
Very strange.
Speaker 2: It's her favorite thing to go back on is how
long she's known somebody. Well, remember when we did this
season together, and I've for twenty one years or two
years or whatever, Like her default is, that's her go.
Speaker 1: To three weeks ago at the airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wills, Like we didn't know each other three days
before everybody else.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're my best friend here, man, my best
friend here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even see straight, Like are you in
front of me or next to me? Who knows?
Speaker 1: Also, is Jake's hairline real? Because that ship looks so
fake to me. It looks it looks like he think
he thinks that feels very much.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he's doing anything to stay on reality TV.
It's like he's got the eyes. He can't have another time.
Speaker 1: Takes that lazy eye.
Speaker 2: Thn Jacob, they make stuff to do it.
Speaker 1: Bro glasses on I patch like the I thought.
Speaker 2: It right, he got the accent.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, you have the accent with a patch. Oh man,
you got it? Dude. Okay, So Jake, yeah, okay, we
got Jake is selling Leo on uh blah blah blah.
He just went over that. Leo talks about how Ashley's
not running the team.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I did like this part too, because I think people
think that Ashley's running the team and that Leo is
sort of just tagging along. But Leo says, like, no,
Ashley's not running the team. I just think this is
best for my game too. I think he's right, Like,
do you believe Leroy or do you think Ashley is
sort of just strong handing this thing?
Speaker 2: No? I fully agree. I think that Ashley picked Leo, right,
is that right? I think that she went into it
knowing that he had some affiliations and some competency that
attracted her and she wanted a partnership. Like for all
of Ashley's you know, obnoxiousness and stuff, she ultimately is
a pretty good partner and wants to make some like
group decisions. But she also is flex and the like
I've been here and done this muscle. But I think
he recognizes that, Like who wouldn't take that and be like,
you know, okay, this does make sense, she explained it.
Speaker 1: This makes sense, right, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: I think they're real really formidable team too.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, they're gonna do well. They're gonna do well.
This is where Sidney and Turbo are at the bar
and they're sort off on their own, uh, and Turbo
is complaining because everybody at the end of the challenge
and when it was those two versus each other at
the end of it, everybody went to comfort Leroy because
they lost, and nobody came to Turbo and Sydney to
like congratulate them because they won, and Turbo was taking
stock in it like that, go let's remember that, which
is like fucked up, Like what the fuck is this?
Of course you the person that lost, like because they're
gonna go to elimination like console them turbo is.
Speaker 2: He looks for any little thing he can do to
to pick a fight or whatever. And I guess in
this situation, like maybe you need those little things to
give you a reason. But the way that he goes
about everything is like he's been like so wrong. It's
it's hard to deal with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little it's a little intense. We get
year Me and Cedric talking. I guess they're both Marines.
I didn't realize this about either of them, frankly, uh,
And so it seems like Yeary is trying to bond
with Cedric and get him a little more. On Cedric's side,
they're talking about their service in the Marines and some
of their alliances throughout the house whatever. But Cedric says
that during this conversation he never like commits to year
Me or whatever. He just just sort of playing this
conversation all cool, saying that he agrees, but he's not
actually committing to any of this. I don't know, what
did you What do you think of this conversation? It's
kind of weird, right.
Speaker 2: The Marine thinks very weird, Like how old is Cedric?
I thought that he looked I thought he's like eighteen,
how did he serve in the Marines? He's out of
the Marines and now he's on the show. He's looking
like other other reality shows, like from forty years old
and just like incredibly young looking. I don't know, but
it was, yeah, super weird. I don't think Cedric played
it office is cool? Is he thinks that he did? No,
or it's like, you know, non committal. I guess as
he thinks that he did, but I don't know he.
I mean, it didn't seem like super obvious that he
was like, yeah, dude, I'm on ere squad.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, No, Cedric didn't say that. But I don't
think and I think Cedric went away from this, or
at least in his confessionals, seemed to imply like, oh,
I fooled Jearmie. He thinks I'm on his side, but
I'm really not. Yeah, but I don't think Geremy is fooled.
I don't. I think Jeremy fully fucking gets what happened.
He was talking in these weird terms to not commit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't, Cedric. This is another reason why I
thought he was so young, like what you do? He
thought that he pulled like some some secret off or something,
and it seemed like they had a conversation and Jeremy
walked away being like, well, Cedric isn't isn't going to
commit that? That didn't go my way.
Speaker 1: That absolutely seemed like what seemed to happen to me. Yeah,
we didn't see a talking ahead from Jeamie, but if
we did, I think Jearmy would have said, I didn't
believe Cedric, like he was talking shit to me. Uh
But anyway, back at the house touch us, we.
Speaker 2: Had to fucking plug into my charger because my phone.
So this is like a video recording that becomes available
in the public that somebody Waunchest that was what just happened.
Speaker 1: Keep your pants on right for well, we got some
weird super close up shots of your forehead and ship
that we're not.
Speaker 2: All auditory for charging mousing. You're not going to lose
me nice all right?
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So we're back at the house Anissa. This
is where Anissa is trying to get Olivia to stake
a claim. So they're going this from both angles. They're
trying to get Anie or Olivia and Will both to
take a claim. Neither is biting.
Speaker 2: This seems like a good move to me too. I
don't understand everybody's fear, Like you got two chances to
win and you don't go home? Are you all bitches?
Like you could put yourself in a better situation politically
the teammate of your choice, you know, depending on who won,
which I don't know if Nannie or Justin was anybody's
pick anyway, So this is sort of like perfect opportunity
to steal Turbo or Sydney or whoever. No, I it
seems like an obvious opportunity to me, whether it's them
or somebody else, Like, you can't win one of two eliminations,
then you're probably you're not going to win the final.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, uh yeah, totally. Yeah, I had something I
want to say and now it's gone. No, it was
it was based on something you were saying. And then
it's a you know, it happens to be all the time.
It's is usually I'm not the host, so I just
pretend like I didn't forget things, and uh, you know
I can't do that to night. So this is where
in the gym, remember the gym scene with Leroy is
doing weird poses and Nashally's telling jokes yes, I like
this one. I don't normally like the gym scenes, but
this is this was Ashley being fun and talking about
those thick glasses and being a grammar on ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, into this I like seeing. I like saying that
there's still fun going on, Like it makes me sad
to think that they're there for weeks and this is
we get like an hour worth of of clips of it,
and this is all the fun they had the whole time,
like they Yeah, this isn't fun, but it made me
like Ashley better, Like I think this is why she
does have friends and she keeps getting called back and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a she's a firecracker. But I do like
Astley also, Uh, all right, well that under nominations, God
damn it, this fucking thing. There we go, don't say
many and bitch, uh it's inside the sun for some reason.
I guess it's cold and rainy outside, so uh, you know.
TJ brings them inside and said uh and asked, anybody
do you want to stake a claim? This is what
I was gonna say. Why didn't THEO and Adrians take
it clean? There is no reason to not. They know
for a fact they're going to go into elimination.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, so they a Cedric thing. They thought Cedric
was going to flip the enemy conversation was good enough
to flip it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh no, Like, why would they think that there
was There was never that was never gonna work. They
should have absolutely stayed to claim here because worst case scenario,
you lose the fucking face off or whatever you call
that thing, and then you're in new elimination. Right, you're
going into elimination anyway, So there's no risk. There is
literally no risk in doing this. But they didn't. They
didn't sake a claim. Why not? We I don't. I
don't know if that's answerable, but like, why would they not?
Speaker 2: It makes absolutely no sense to me. The only thing
that I can think is that they thought they were
they had the numbers flipped somehow, but even on like
on camera and MTV does everything they can to try
to make it suspenseful, right, it's a fucking TV show.
They had nobody convinced everybody knew where the numbers were
going to go. So yeah, if if they can't flip
us or convince us that, there's a question, how in
their right mind could they be thinking it was going
their way, So I don't get it. And Adrian and
THEO are on the same page, right, like, they're not
going to be offended if one of them decides to
do it, because they know what the outcome is.
Speaker 1: Right well, And I think for them, it's like last
time we saw them talking about it, it was sort of
like which one of us wants to stake a claim
because it seemed like it was going to be Sidney
and Turbo, so frankly, they both end up with a
better partner than what they have, right, and so it
was really a matter of like can I beat Turbo
or can you beat Sidney? Like, let's figure out which
one of us is going to take the claim because
we're both going to benefit from this thing. And now
it's just sort of is totally nobody is talking about it.
It's very like this was very weird. Why didn't anybody
talk about this?
Speaker 2: It seems very strange to me that the only thing
that I mean, but I guess the default is you
end up facing Leroy in America anyway, So I was
gonna say, maybe they felt better going against them, but
if they lose, they the you know, pick your new
partner or whatever. They're facing them anyway, so that's the default. Like,
if you think you can beat Leroy, then why wouldn't
you take the risk and have the reward.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying, man, there's literally no risk
in it because you stake. You stake the claim, and
you lose, well then you're back. You're exactly where you
are now. You stake the claim and you win, you
have better partners, and you don't have to go an elimination.
So weird to me that they didn't. I don't know
if that will ever make sense to me, but there
you go.
Speaker 2: And they started the episode by saying we're going in
every time. Yeah, yeah, they knew it before the challenge
even started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very strange. I wish we had some incess to
why they didn't do this. Okay, So as nominations start,
THEO and I was gonna Adrian uh start their chat
and they give a really good pitch for why it
should be Sidney and Turbo, and it basically comes down to, like,
they're a really good team and if you fight them
in the eliminator in the final, you're gonna lose, so
you should throw them in. Now, this might be a
last chance. Not a bad argument, right.
Speaker 2: Not a bad argument at all. I mean, and I
think Lee Roy has proven to be a good enough
elimination player that given the right game, he could beat Turbo.
So yeah, who knows. I like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. And it was the last that
was all he could do, and he did it. He
did a good job. But Sidney is just touched honored
by this. She just says, oh, thank you, And I
was so sweet after all of these like horrible things,
because Sydney's the best. But the votes don't change at all.
They go exactly as you would expect them to go.
And it is going to be THEO and Adrian going
in again America. And Leroy.
Speaker 2: Got to keep winning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta keep winning. We have a very brief
flashback of Nanny talking about Leroy that they're not just friends.
They got their their start on the real world in
like twenty twenty eleven or some shit like that, Like, Quenn,
was that like a long time ago?
Speaker 2: Crazy? Yeah, Yeah, it's been like fifteen years or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, flash back to them, and yes, they look like
children back then.
Speaker 2: They really did look young, Like I haven't nanny his age,
and she's beautiful, you know, horse teeth and all, but beautiful.
But le Roy I didn't really think it aged a
whole lot. But then when he saw the picture of him,
you know, from Real World or whatever the video, he
did look like a baby, Like you could tell the
man he does have kids.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they're like in their early twenties back then
and now. Yeah, it's like LeRoy's met somebody off the
show and had babies and it's a very strange. Yeah.
I guess that's why we like the challenge, right, we
see these people through all walks of life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real.
Speaker 1: So we have THEO and Adrian. They're talking about Theo's prophecy.
I'm not sure we've talked about this on the podcast.
THEO had a prophecy. He went to a psychic before
he came on the show. They said he's gonna win
three eliminations and then win the season, and this is
the third elimination he's won, but obviously he hasn't won
it yet. So they're just talking and he's saying like, hey,
I really I believe in this prophecy. I feel like
I could just stand there. I would win by just
standing there. And uh yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 2: He seems weird for a guy who was afraid he
was gonna go home because of the knee injury earlier
in the season. This prophecy all of a sudden is
fasting itself.
Speaker 1: But yeah, very confident in the psychic I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, man, I thought, like, is this THEO working himself
into shape? Like there was this scene of him like
flex saying with his shirt off or whatever, or you know,
they were saying he doesn't have cardio or whatever early
in the season. But he looks like he's in pretty
good shape. And we've seen from previous seasons that he's
a formidable finals competitor, pretty well rounded. He was a
fucking you know, national track athlete to whatever degree, Like,
is this a theoct season where maybe he started off
the season not in final shape, but he hung around
long enough to work himself there. Like maybe the prophecy
is real. I could see THEO winning a season, like,
all things being equal, if he wouldn't have had the
eye injury and stuff. I think everybody thought that he
would probably win a season early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see winning a season. To be honest,
I don't know if I could see Adrian winning a
season though, So I do think if he stands a
chance to win, I think he's gonna have to take
a claim. So we've got a few more episodes. We'll
see where this ends. But I love I agree. I've
loved THEO as the villain. I didn't think I would,
but he's a great villain.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's very funny. He doesn't shy away from it.
He's he's got the Johnny bananas, the Pauline sort of like, Okay,
if you guys are gonna hate me, if you're gonna
send me in every time, like I'm gonna just keep
knocking people down the West sort of fact.
Speaker 1: You're like totally, Yeah, he's very much got the funk off.
Then I'll just win. Then I get that sort of spirit,
and I do like I like that spirit.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 1: All right, Well with that, we're on too elimination. This
one is called think alike, Ryan, how do you play
this elimination?
Speaker 2: So you're standing on a wheel that spins, and you've
got two puzzles, and you've got the time that that
you have while passing it to put the puzzle together.
You're working together as a team. Yeah, first one to
get both puzzles done win?
Speaker 1: What fuck? What are these puzzles calleds tangrams?
Speaker 2: That's right, yes, yeah, they're tanagram puzzles.
Speaker 1: Very common puzzle, but I can never remember the word
of them. Uh yeah, that's exactly it. And Lee and uh, America,
they feel good because America is like not a physical player,
but she feels pretty good about puzzles. So she feels
good about this. And Leroy feels good about this because
he plays this game with Cam and his kids. And
as you said, Ryan, these tannagrams like these come up
all the time on the challenge and you can buy
them at a convenience store and it's eight dollars and
fucking figure out how to do this puzzle. Seems weird
that people don't do that, but nobody does.
Speaker 2: It is strange to me that people don't prep like
professional athletes train in the offseason, right, Like, how are
you not sitting on your ass doing some fucking puzzles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird to me that they don't, but nobody did.
And uh and so yes, they spend forty five minutes
going around in circles trying to solve a puzzle. This
had to be the most boring fucking thing to watch
from the sidelines, you.
Speaker 2: Know, pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so at forty five minutes, and you know,
this is production just making up rules on the spot
because they realize, like, oh, we're never gonna fucking finish
this elimination to this speed. So forty five minutes they
decide they're going to pause everybody and give everybody a
minute per station. Why so they do that.
Speaker 2: Feels like a long time. From two seconds while you're
passing it to a full minute seemed crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I think they just wanted to end it. Yeah,
because yes, it was just sort of like it took forever,
and uh, we don't need to go blow by blow,
but it did seem like THEO and Adrian were communicating much, much,
much better than Leroy and America. And that's what it
kind of came down to.
Speaker 2: I think you saw that look in on LeRoy's face
that he gets like, and there's been plenty of other
voiceovers where he's talking where he says like, I'm just
sort of trying to put tend like I'm doing something
so everybody thinks that I'm busy, but I really don't
know what's going on, And it was a lot of that,
Like he had the wide eyed brad eyes going around
like and he's just shuffling shit like he was moving.
You could see him moving pieces that were in place
and taking him out And I get at some point
you probably have to do that, but don't you ever
just like put your hands down and let America swing
around and give it a try for a few minutes, like,
I don't know. It seemed like he was his own worst.
Speaker 1: Enemy, it did, and that's I mean, that's pretty much
Leroy and all these types of eliminations. He's his own
worst enemy. And yes, he didn't help at all, and
they just came up short. It seemed close enough. I
think it came down to two versus one, and the
second was close. But theod Adrian, Yeah, I'm not surprised.
I'm not either, Yeah, not either. Leroy is just not
good at that much. I mean it was a puzzle.
We knew Leroy is not going to help, and he didn't.
Then that's lee right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish that they would have maybe kept them spinning,
but taken one partner off, like they got to pick
a partner or something and scene if she could carry them.
But yeah, Lee, for all of his I love seeing
him on the show. Like you said, he's never gonna win.
It would take me perfect circumstance for him to win.
And he's had a couple really close you know. Yeah,
where he did have a great partner and he made
it to the final and he got close to winning.
But yeah, that's probably as good as we're going to see.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, LeRoy's just he's got too many weaknesses. It's just
he's bad at puzzles. He's bad at swimming these days,
he's bad at indoors. It's like, you just don't You
just don't got it, man, It's not gonna happen for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great guy. I'm real nice too, but I would
never win the chance.
Speaker 1: Same Okay. So as they say goodbye, Leroy does give
a very heartfelt goodbye to Nannie and Ryan. I don't
know how you feel about this. I do. I absolutely
feel like this is the last season of the Challenge
we're we're going to get and so when we get
these moments of Leroy saying goodbye, it does feel like
a moment of closure of just like, holy shit, we've
seen these people since that season. We've seen Nanny and
Leroy for fifteen years now together, and as he's saying goodbye,
it feels like, Okay, that's the last time we're going
to see this, but I guess we'll see.
Speaker 2: I hope not. I have a tendency to be a
rose colored glasses kind of guy with that sort of stuff.
The announcement that I saw a week ago or whatever,
the EMPTV was shutting down, like all of the Music
channel off, like offshoots and a bunch of stuff internationally like,
and that they were focusing on reality TV. Uh, the
reality TV that they're referring to is the stuff that
it's like the Love islandy sort of shit. It made
me feel less optimistic for sure. Yeah, And I definitely
revel in those kind of moments like you're talking about
because it's corny as it is. I mean, we met
each other via a podcast that you're making about a
show that we've watched for a long time, right, Yeah,
because you're friends over it, and these moments are like
kind of special, like it these people feel closer to
me than they should, at least their lives in existence
and the memories surrounded around the show and watching it
with my friends and shit growing up and podcasting and
talking to you guys. You know, so yeah, these if
this is the end of it, I think this was
like a very fitting moment that we got with two
long standing friends that met on the fucking show that
you become like household names. As far as the challenge goes, now,
hopefully Nanny wins and brings it home for the both
of them. That would really like round it out nicely.
Speaker 1: That would be really cool. Oh man, if this is
naughty season, that'd be pretty sweet.
Speaker 2: She would be a cool first time winner. For as
much as I fucking hate Anissa, Like, if this really
is the last season, I don't need some new fucking
corny winner that I don't like year met Anissa or
Nanny or somebody like that, Mesa would be insane.
Speaker 1: She's the last.
Speaker 2: They're like, she she's gone around, Like, yeah, the challenge
is over, but I sort of am at forty sold
two pounds the fucking last women's winner. It would discredit
the entire show. But she has also done twenty nine seasons.
Part would be she's done more than half of the
seasons and its fucking crazy, Like Lisa, I know, it.
Speaker 1: Damn, dude, we saw her she was living in the
Chicago Real World House during nine to eleven, two thousand
and one. Right, She's been on TV screens for that
fucking long, dude, twenty four years, twenty she.
Speaker 2: Watched people goly like for eleven like and that Chicago
house of all of it. So was that miss too,
no miss season.
Speaker 1: No miss New York MS was back to New York
I think the next year, Yeah, the next year, the
two thousand and two or three.
Speaker 2: When Lisa was on TV before Coral and the.
Speaker 1: Miss Yeah yeahs Chicago? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, is that not old school as fuck? Like? The
fact that she is still doing these shows is? I mean,
I don't know who's dumb or her MTV? How is
she still on TV?
Speaker 1: I know who's watching for Anissa. She's not a draw.
It's very strange to me that she's still on the show.
Speaker 2: I mean she I'm sure that she has her her fans,
like she for all of her flaws as a competitor
on the show, right, which are countless, she is accepting
of people and like a you know, stands up for
the challenge or is a pretty good banner waiver for
the network. And then outside of that, seems like her
moral compass is pretty well in check, like she accepts
people as they are, maybe even to a fault. But
maybe that's why. Maybe they're like, we need somebody on
here to fill that, like to be a peace keeper,
fucking call people stores and shit like, Right, she's gonna
stand up for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know who cares? Who cares?
Speaker 2: A little bit drunk And we're at the end of
the podcast now, and now I'm about Niece's whole last.
Speaker 1: Great, great, we are we are almost out of the episode.
We're a listening to the end of the Actresses. So
hang tight, hey, run to the fucking reality. The league's right,
we'll do it real quick. Hey, Ryan, guess who's beating
the fucking ship out of the rest of the podcast
host of this fantasy league.
Speaker 2: It's gotta be Wolfy, right, I know that he's been
doing so.
Speaker 1: Obvious the host league. I'm at twenty four hundred points.
Carlin is in the second place with seventeen hundred because
she sucks, And of course I'm gonna win that thing.
It's not even gonna be very close at all. Right,
are you playing the public league?
Speaker 2: No, I can never remember to set the set the lineup.
I really wish that I would, because I'm sure that
i'd be kicking everybody's as Dude.
Speaker 1: It's so fun. It's more fun than you would think
it is. Like I couldn't believe how much fun it
was the first few times h carlin is at number two,
she moved up one. I moved down to, uh, I know,
to the ten spot, dude, I'm gonna yes.
Speaker 2: Is this the one where everybody's running out of players?
Speaker 1: I am ready out of players? Dude, Yes, I'm I'm
I'm only going to go lower and lower from now on.
Speaker 2: So help me understand what is running out of players mean?
Like you're only allowed to play people so many times,
and so people have gotten eliminated and you're fucked with
these left because you played them too much.
Speaker 1: Exactly yeah, that's exactly right, perfectly. You got to stack
your players, you gotta you gotta hit the eliminated players first.
If you always hit the players that are staying late,
you know you're gonna run out of players. I'm about
to run out.
Speaker 2: Tempting to want to play the good players early and
try to stack right points, but then you run you know,
you run out of players.
Speaker 1: That's why it's fun, Ryan, That's why it's fun. That's
why it's strategy. So I think I've hit my peek.
I peaked at like six, and now I'm at tenth,
and I'm only going to go I'm only gonna get
worse now I'm running out wo womp womp. But uh, yeah,
I don't know Wolf. He's on there too, who cares?
All right, Well, I think that's it. Oh social media, shit, Ryan,
do you follow these guys on social media? Do you
have any social media? Start to report?
Speaker 2: No, I don't have anything to report. I know you
were telling me something about Sydney and Turbo. Yeah, but
but no, I don't have anything on them.
Speaker 1: All right, I got two things, Sydney and Turbo. Apparently
Turbo was super weird to Sydney, and we saw some
of it in this if you kind of knew what
to look for. There were some signs where like Turbo
would weirdly like sneak up on Sydney and like put
his arm around her, and shit, it was really weird.
But so Sydney apparently had a boyfriend during the season,
and Turbo was trying to like not even have her
call home to talk to her boyfriend and shit, And
apparently it got so bad to the point where Sidney
was just lying about it and saying like, oh, of course, Turbo,
I won't call my boyfriend. You're right, I shouldn't talk
to him, and then she would just like call him anyway, obviously,
And year me was one of the ones that is
really exciting with sitting on this whole thing saying like, yeah,
I saw some of that shit and it was all
fucked up and Turbo sucks. So yeah, that's what's going on.
Speaker 2: With that, if that makes sense. Turbo seems like that
kind yeah, overbearing and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So hey, we love it when we go from a
challenge to podcast to politics. So let's talk about social
media and politics world. Did you know Ryan that there
is a challenge Champ named Sean Duffy. Remember Sean Duffy,
one of the first Challenge Champs. I know it sounds unbelievable,
but that Sean Duffy Challenge Champ Shawan Duffy is now
the Department of Transportation Secretary working under Donald Trump. He's
in charge of not only the Department of Transportation, but
also the fucking Space Administration NASA Challenge Champion.
Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy, right.
Speaker 1: I watch these people because they're so stupid, not because
I want them fucking in control of our space program
in America. It's all fucked up, and Shawn Duffy sucks
and we shouldn't support this. But Shann Duffy has been
fighting with Elon Musk because Seawan Duffy wants to fold
NASA into the Department of Transportation. But Elon Musk, who
gets a bunch of money from them, is fighting them
on this and calling him sean dummy on Twitter, the
platform that Elon Musk owns. So hey, America is a
fucking capitalist healthscape and we should vote against all of
this shit and get all these fucking assholes out of office.
Thank you, thank you. That's all I have to say
about that.
Speaker 2: I want to remind everybody, maybe who doesn't always agree,
like we're supposed to use our platform and applaud you
for taking this opportunity for real, it's important, like that
is what it's all about. And not everybody is going
to have the confidence or the same opportunity that you do.
But I think that it's important, Like you have to
bring this kind of stuff to people's attention. Agree or disagree.
This is about the challenge, right, but this is related
enough to bring up, and even if it wasn't, you
would be remiss if you didn't take that opportunity. So like,
look it up. And if you don't agree with Tim,
or you don't agree with everybody else who's on the show,
that's your prerogative. But at least take this as n
urging to do some research because this is important and
scary shit in some situations.
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, Yes it is. It's scary shit, Yeah,
for sure. If if you let yourself be scared of it,
which is you know, maybe you should. Maybe you should,
depends on how you look at it. All Right, Well
that's social media. What's on the Patreon? Hey, you should
do the Patreon. It's awesome. You get years and years
with the after show, pre show content, all of that ship. Uh,
actually the discord access to Uh that's ryan what I've
been missing.
Speaker 2: You get your name set on the podcast, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, that's enough. Thank you to Havy, Elena Alvin, Amanda, Anda, Caroline,
Christian Christopher, Cindy, Derek, Eduardo, Elizabeth, Emily Emily, Greg, Gretchen, Jacqueline, Jamie, Jamie, Julie, Justin, Uh, Katherine, Lulu, Maverick, Mandy, Patty,
rolled In, Samuel Scott Shack, shake our smiling Jack, stan Stove, Taylor,
and will.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is that it? Buddy, I'm a listener that's filling in.
You're check you on the end. Thank you for having me.
That's not thanks. This is a lot of fun. What
a great season past Ah, this is cool.
Speaker 1: Ryan's been great having you. It's been great having you.
You're welcome back anytime. But we'll close this out, Chatrom,
hang on, we'll do an after show. We'll close us
out with as Turbo said, wait, hang on, Okay, Astro
combined as Turbo said, Roses are red, violets are blue.
I have five fingers, the middle ones for you.