Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Easy
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Speaker 2: All Right, we have spent a couple of hours talking
Speaker 2: about the election today of the first American Pope, Pope
Speaker 2: Leo the fourteenth, and we're going to either continue that
Speaker 2: for a little bit and you're going to decide if
Speaker 2: you still want to talk about that. Dial this number
Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty or six
Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Got a couple
Speaker 2: of calls they're going to deal with. If that's it,
Speaker 2: we will move on because on this program, the audience
Speaker 2: decides what we want to talk about, and if you
Speaker 2: want to talk uh and make a comment, I'm looking
Speaker 2: for comments from both Catholics and non Catholics alike, both
Speaker 2: believers and atheists and agnostics alike. I do think that
Speaker 2: the presence of an American pope in the Vatican in
Speaker 2: Rome will have an impact on all of our lives,
Speaker 2: either directly or indirectly. I do believe it's an important position,
Speaker 2: and particularly be comes now even a more important position
Speaker 2: as a position that is held by an American. For
Speaker 2: better or for worse, many of us felt that we
Speaker 2: would never see an American Polpe at our lives, and
Speaker 2: today we were introduced to one a native of Chicago
Speaker 2: who was a missionary in Peru. I spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time in Peru, and I spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time in Rome. And it was stunning to see for
Speaker 2: me as an American, to see an American walk out
Speaker 2: onto the balcony as the next pope. It was something
Speaker 2: that I had never imagined in my life. And if
Speaker 2: you have, you can tell me why. And if you haven't,
Speaker 2: you can tell me why. And if you feel this
Speaker 2: is significant, I'd love to hear why. And if you
Speaker 2: feel it's insignificant. Many of you may feel it doesn't
Speaker 2: impact you, and it may not, but you may also
Speaker 2: feel it's something that we have overstated. So you have
Speaker 2: the numbers six seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or
Speaker 2: six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty. Do with
Speaker 2: him as you will. Let me go. We're going to
Speaker 2: finish up with Bill in Pennsylvania. Bill wanted to tell
Speaker 2: a quick story. Go right ahead, Bill, thanks for holding on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a from a Baptist pulpit that I
Speaker 3: heard a while back. Then a coast Guard helicopters flying
Speaker 3: in the middle of the Pacific, and they looked down
Speaker 3: on this little island. There's a guy waving his arms.
Speaker 3: He got sos written in the sand. They land and
Speaker 3: pick him up and he says oh. He says, thank
Speaker 3: god you rescued me. He says, I was on that
Speaker 3: island by myself for five years. Oh, go ahead. Anyways,
Speaker 3: as they're taking off, the pilot looks down at the
Speaker 3: ave and he looks at the guy. He says, are
Speaker 3: you sure you are not island but by yourself for
Speaker 3: five years? He goes, yep, five years by myself. He says, well,
Speaker 3: tell me something. He says, how come there's three huts
Speaker 3: down there? And the guy goes, well, he says that
Speaker 3: hut there by the by the surf, he says, that's
Speaker 3: where I lived. And the pilot goes, yeah, he said,
Speaker 3: what about that hut over there by the palm trees.
Speaker 3: He says, oh, that's where I went to church. Oh, okay,
Speaker 3: you lived in that when you went to church? And
Speaker 3: that one. What about that hut over there on the
Speaker 3: other side of the island. Is that's where I used
Speaker 3: to go to church?
Speaker 2: All right, all right, keep the day job. Cute story story.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bill, good to hear you, boys. Thanks very much.
Speaker 2: All right, let me go next to have a great one.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to Joe and Belmont. Joe, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you were very interested in this today.
Speaker 4: Dan time man. If he can't do it, no one can.
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that Coretta headshow. What's your
Speaker 2: thought about an American pope.
Speaker 4: I thought I heard on ABC that uh Pope Leo
Speaker 4: the fourteenth was going to be progressive on social issues
Speaker 4: and conservative on doctrine, like no women priests. And I'm
Speaker 4: hoping that uh Catholics can you know, really support him,
Speaker 4: and I'm hoping he's going to be a great pope.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to give any opinions on whether
Speaker 4: Pope Francis is following the teachings of Peter and Paul,
Speaker 4: because I don't know what the Holy Spirit or the
Speaker 4: Holy Ghost is telling the Pope. So I'm going to
Speaker 4: keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 2: That's a good let me tell you. Whenever in doubt,
Speaker 2: it's always it's always a good option, that's for sure. Joe.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your call, Thank you for your observations. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to Missouri. Jim and Missouri go ahead, Jim.
Speaker 5: Dan, Hey, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: You're right, go right ahead.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, first of all, I'm sorry I fell asleep
Speaker 3: on the other night. I just fell asleep, So.
Speaker 2: People have a right to fall asleep. You go right ahead,
Speaker 2: even when you're listening on the radio, Go right ahead.
Speaker 5: Jim, all right, all right.
Speaker 3: So I mean I hesitate to call in because Catholics
Speaker 3: all know each other. So as soon as you start talking,
Speaker 3: you go to church and everybody knows you. You're kind
Speaker 3: of embarrassed. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: What what Why do people embarrassed that they go to church.
Speaker 2: I don't get that.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're just supposed to be a certain way. And
Speaker 3: if it's you know, I can't explain it to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it a trouble explain. Go ahead, tell
Speaker 2: me what you want to tell me. I'm allus. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. The thing that our family was
Speaker 3: extreme Catholic for many many, for many generations, and then
Speaker 3: there was a falling out. But I was baptized Catholic,
Speaker 3: and I just about five years ago I wanted to
Speaker 3: go back. And the reason I wanted to go back
Speaker 3: is because it just occurred to me that everybody now
Speaker 3: wants to be a part of some sort of like
Speaker 3: a secret subculture where they get their own hand signs
Speaker 3: and their own language.
Speaker 2: And I don't know anybody like that, but that's okay
Speaker 2: if you if you know people like that. I don't
Speaker 2: belong to any subcultures. But go ahead, what sort of
Speaker 2: a subculture do you belong to?
Speaker 3: Catholicism is the original subculture, man, When you might be it.
Speaker 2: Might have been when they were hanging out in the catchulm,
Speaker 2: but here in Boston, at least when I grew up,
Speaker 2: I didn't know too many people who weren't Catholic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so all right, well, but I mean I think,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's very you grew up.
Speaker 2: In Kansas City or did you grow up, you know,
Speaker 2: in a in a different part of West I was.
Speaker 3: I was again, I was born on the South side
Speaker 3: of Chicago. I think I might have been born in
Speaker 3: the same hospital as this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it said he was on the south side of
Speaker 2: Chicago even but he's now a Cubs fan, which of
Speaker 2: course is the North side of Chicago, so we'll have
Speaker 2: to think of that.
Speaker 3: To his According to his brother, he was a Sox fan,
Speaker 3: but I was born in Saint Francis, which is now
Speaker 3: kind of shut down, but so anyway, But the thing is,
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, people are talking about him as
Speaker 3: if he's a person. He's not a person anymore. He's
Speaker 3: God incarnate, and.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't think so, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I don't. At least the Catholic theology that I understand
Speaker 2: is the Pope is a human being. He's not God.
Speaker 2: Uh Pope, the first Pope, Peter was not God. Peter
Speaker 2: was a fisherman. So I don't want to get into
Speaker 2: into the deep deal here, but he's he's infallible on
Speaker 2: what they call matters of faith and morals. That's what
Speaker 2: I was taught in the Catholic public schools. So if
Speaker 2: this guy spoke what's called ex cathedra on matters of
Speaker 2: faith and morals, you had to follow what he said.
Speaker 2: At the same time, if he said root for the
Speaker 2: White Sox or root for the Red Sox, or the
Speaker 2: kids is in the Royals, he wasn't talking about matters
Speaker 2: of faith and morals here. So he's just a regular
Speaker 2: human being. He's a He may be God's representative in
Speaker 2: the minds of many people, but he's he's not he's
Speaker 2: he's a human being.
Speaker 3: Okay, well now I'm wrong about that, but well that's
Speaker 3: so anyway that that's kind of what brought me back
Speaker 3: to the church. And I'm very excited and happy that
Speaker 3: there's a that there's a local connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're really a local when you might have
Speaker 2: lived in his neighborhood now that you think about it,
Speaker 2: I don't know how old you are, but he was
Speaker 2: born in fifty five on the South side of Chicago,
Speaker 2: and he didn't leave there, I don't think until he
Speaker 2: went off to college. He went to Villanova and graduated
Speaker 2: from Villanova. I think it was trying to do the
Speaker 2: math here. I think it was sometime in like nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty or so or whatever it was. Maybe he was
Speaker 2: seventy eight, so he would have been living in your neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what you You were born from nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty five, probably right through the mid nineteen seventies before
Speaker 2: he went off to college.
Speaker 3: Heleanova, right, But I mean I think that, I mean,
Speaker 3: from what I'm hearing, I think a lot of people don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I may be wrong about this, but I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people don't really grasp exactly what's
Speaker 3: going on with the Catholic Church, when with the Catholic
Speaker 3: Church is not I think you have to live in
Speaker 3: the world a lot and suffer in the world a
Speaker 3: lot to really realize that there's a lot more to
Speaker 3: what's going on here than just what you see.
Speaker 5: And that's you know, what you.
Speaker 2: Can have your.
Speaker 3: Church be about what you want, but that's what to me,
Speaker 3: what the church is about. I can get all the
Speaker 3: other worldly stuff everywhere else. I go to the church
Speaker 3: for the stuff that you can't see. The stuff that
Speaker 3: you can't see.
Speaker 2: One of the things one of the things, Jim, that
Speaker 2: I find in going to church, and I tend to
Speaker 2: go once a week. There was a time period of
Speaker 2: time right after the pre scandal where I didn't go
Speaker 2: because I was so appalled, but I sort of have
Speaker 2: gone back to it. And one of the things you
Speaker 2: get a chance to kind of sit and think for
Speaker 2: an hour or just sit and kind of keep out
Speaker 2: the hubbub and the hurly burly of the world and
Speaker 2: think about what you got that you're grateful for, whether
Speaker 2: it's your health or your family. I think that it's
Speaker 2: it's good to take there's one hundred and sixty eight
Speaker 2: hours in the week. So if I can take one
Speaker 2: hour a week, uh and just just sitting and contemplate
Speaker 2: my good fortune, uh, you know, good health and good friends.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's well worth it in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Well, they keep us busy on our knees praying the
Speaker 3: words to be anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, keep going. Thanks, Jim appreciates your call. I'll
Speaker 2: have a good one. Take a very quick break here.
Speaker 2: I only got one line here coming up, so I'm
Speaker 2: going to probably switch this unless you guys want to
Speaker 2: have a few more comments about Pope Leo. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to drag it out at six one seven, two
Speaker 2: five four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
Speaker 2: one ten thirty your reaction to the election of the
Speaker 2: first American pope today. Maybe maybe you have to be
Speaker 2: of a certain vintage to realize the significance of it.
Speaker 2: If there are those of you who are out there,
Speaker 2: younger people in your twenties or thirties, I'd love to
Speaker 2: know what you think about this and does it change
Speaker 2: your view of either Catholicism, whether you're a Catholic or not. Uh,
Speaker 2: it is. It's a moment in time that I think
Speaker 2: many people are underestimony, underestimating in the short run. Feel
Speaker 2: free to join the conversation. If not, we're going to
Speaker 2: switch off right after one more call with my friend
Speaker 2: Pelvis from Middleton. Back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1: This, it's Nightside with Yoston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's rock and roll. Let's go to Pelvis and Middleton.
Speaker 2: Pelvis next on Nightside. How were you, sir, Dan?
Speaker 6: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. It's been an interesting day, at least
Speaker 2: it is. It was for me, how about you?
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I was at the end of the day.
Speaker 7: It was I listened to the camera etil all day,
Speaker 7: so I was invested in that. But on the other,
Speaker 7: you know, the other end of it, I get why
Speaker 7: people are excited for the you know, religious thing and
Speaker 7: all that. I just, you know, my grand old school
Speaker 7: Italian woman goes and praise for the whole family and
Speaker 7: follows suit and does the whole nine. And I understand
Speaker 7: it from like a you know, social parapeutic type of
Speaker 7: what you explained, like, you go there, you know, you
Speaker 7: feel good about what you've got and what you've got
Speaker 7: in lines and friends. I just don't follow it as
Speaker 7: hardcore as you know, who decides what the Bible translated
Speaker 7: to whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I totally get that. So so I'm assuming you're you're agnostic, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you have to explain that to me.
Speaker 2: I'm just, well, well, I'll tell you what. Let me
Speaker 2: explain it to you, because I think it's important for
Speaker 2: people to understand that. Okay, there's there's two. There are
Speaker 2: atheists who will tell you that there is nothing beyond here,
Speaker 2: and atheists will tell you there's no God, there's there's
Speaker 2: nothing beyond here. Okay, that they're convinced of that. They
Speaker 2: are convinced, yeah, that we're living you know, however long
Speaker 2: we live here, and that's it. When it's over, it's over, okay.
Speaker 2: Agnostics are people who do not believe, but they don't disbelieve.
Speaker 2: So they're sort of like the ones in the middle.
Speaker 2: They're not it off the church every Sunday or to
Speaker 2: synagogue every every Saturday. Uh, you know, they're not going,
Speaker 2: but they they leave open the possibility in their mind.
Speaker 2: Now people can switch back and forth, and then you
Speaker 2: have all the religions over here on the other side
Speaker 2: and people who believe in certain things whatever, and you
Speaker 2: can kind of a big bunch of Well I've picked
Speaker 2: up from you that that you sound to me like
Speaker 2: you're an agnostic as or an atheist.
Speaker 7: I think so, no, no, no, I think you're right.
Speaker 7: I think I think I believe in a higher level.
Speaker 7: Put it that way. I just the way that religion
Speaker 7: is controlled and delivered creates a lot of problems.
Speaker 2: In that case, I got another category for you. Then
Speaker 2: you might be sort of either what's called a theist
Speaker 2: or a deist, meaning you believe there's something out there.
Speaker 2: And obviously, if there's something out there, it's much greater
Speaker 2: than you and me because we're not out there. So
Speaker 2: but but you, but your path to finding that is
Speaker 2: not through something morganized religion. You don't have to, you
Speaker 2: feel you don't have to. You got to go to
Speaker 2: some building.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't think it should be used as a tool,
Speaker 7: is what I'm getting at. I think all of us
Speaker 7: should believe in, you know, obviously whatever whatever helps you
Speaker 7: sleep at night, and whatever helps you get by, because
Speaker 7: everybody deals with everything. But when it's used as a tool,
Speaker 7: and then you know, and I'll just leave you with this.
Speaker 1: I mean, in my.
Speaker 7: Opinion, the way the Bible is or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 7: the Catholic Church, if they would just allow the priests,
Speaker 7: the popes whoever, to be married in a normal, you know,
Speaker 7: marital situation. Here, I mean, you're basically putting them it's
Speaker 7: almost like prison, Dan, You're almost you're almost asking them
Speaker 7: to mess up when it comes to like the scandal.
Speaker 7: That totally turned me off against the whole thing, because
Speaker 7: you're not going to tell me how to live my
Speaker 7: life when you are doing things that are despicable, and
Speaker 7: you know, let me.
Speaker 2: You got plenty of options if you happen to be
Speaker 2: some who believes, and if you happen to be Christian,
Speaker 2: you can become Episcopal, you can be Baptist, you can
Speaker 2: become There are Catholic priests who were married. They were
Speaker 2: Episcopal priests who were married and converted to Catholicism. That's
Speaker 2: a little known fact category of course not of course, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no. And there was a point in time where
Speaker 2: back in the in the early days of the Church,
Speaker 2: where Catholic priests were married. My understanding, and I'm not
Speaker 2: a theologian, is that the Catholic Church made some sort
Speaker 2: of a decision at some point that people would better
Speaker 2: serve the flock if their whole intention.
Speaker 8: You.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was taught. Okay. The other thing
Speaker 2: which I was taught as a Catholic kid in school
Speaker 2: was that the only true church was the Catholic Church
Speaker 2: and that you couldn't go to heaven. I was taught this.
Speaker 2: But but, but, but I've come to the conclusion that
Speaker 2: if there is and I believe there is a God,
Speaker 2: there's not like three. There's not a Hindu God, Jewish
Speaker 2: God and a Catholic God and a Presbyterian God and
Speaker 2: a Baptist God and all you know, twenty seven gods
Speaker 2: up there. No, there's one. If there is, there's one God.
Speaker 2: And I believe that that God is going to look
Speaker 2: at people and say, hey, what sort of a life
Speaker 2: did they live, how did they treat other people, and
Speaker 2: that that would be the way in which the person
Speaker 2: would be judged. And I just think that you can
Speaker 2: you can literally follow any religion, or you even can follow,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, lack of religion. But if you live
Speaker 2: a decent life, I think you should be rewarded in
Speaker 2: the afterlife, in my opinion.
Speaker 7: But that's why I also, I mean, just real quick,
Speaker 7: I have a good friend of mine. He's a doctor
Speaker 7: in New Jersey, Muslim Indian guy who has a turn
Speaker 7: in the whole nine yards, right, he jails with stuff
Speaker 7: every day, people coming into Virgin Care and you know, hey, buddy,
Speaker 7: you know the racist stuff word you pocket camel, blah
Speaker 7: blah blah. But in the minute he says he's Muslim,
Speaker 7: a lot of people turn to radical you know, radical
Speaker 7: Muslim and he's like, you know, listen, there are so
Speaker 7: many different levels of what you know, their religion is
Speaker 7: as well, so just in general, it's it just seems
Speaker 7: like a great divide and it's it can be used
Speaker 7: as a tool. It's obviously used in war and everything else.
Speaker 9: You know, at Pelvis we we had the ira the
Speaker 9: the Irish Republican Army who were blown up you know,
Speaker 9: houses and places that were Protestant in Ireland.
Speaker 2: So right, you know, that doesn't justify what what the
Speaker 2: whack job Muslims have done, you know what isis and
Speaker 2: all of that has done. But there are a lot
Speaker 2: of people who happen to be Islamic who are really
Speaker 2: decent kind people, I mean, right, and.
Speaker 7: Get back in the day, like like Kiash, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean, back in the day. I'm old, so
Speaker 7: I'm forty five, so I remember David Koresh and you know,
Speaker 7: the whole Waco thing and all that, and it becomes
Speaker 7: like a like a mind f you know, like you're
Speaker 7: people can be controlled by. It is like whatever, I
Speaker 7: know what you're saying. I got you good, good deal
Speaker 7: for everybody who believes, and and you know, congrats on that.
Speaker 7: So I'll leave you on.
Speaker 2: That good conversation. Should Thanks, Thanks, talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here, going to go to Paul and endover.
Speaker 2: Paul going to get you in here before the break
Speaker 2: or red head Paul, Hi.
Speaker 10: Dan, thanks for taking my call. I'm thrilled that we
Speaker 10: have an American pope, particularly because I think one of
Speaker 10: the things that has made America great has been Christian values.
Speaker 2: I call it. I call it, by the way, Judeo
Speaker 2: Christian values, just so you know, because I think that
Speaker 2: Judeo Christian values come you know, from from the same
Speaker 2: experience in my.
Speaker 10: Opinion, yes, and it's just you know, things like you know,
Speaker 10: we live in a country where for the most part,
Speaker 10: we live without walls around our house, and then you
Speaker 10: go to other countries and they're there. They got walls
Speaker 10: around the house. We trust the banking system. We trust
Speaker 10: that stockbrokers trust if you call make an order, uh,
Speaker 10: that you're going to follow through. And so you know,
Speaker 10: you know, things like the Ten Commandments, and so my
Speaker 10: my hope that within America and they're as pope, that
Speaker 10: he will foster those values of things like the Ten
Speaker 10: Commandments and.
Speaker 6: Around the world.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: I'm eighty two and and I went to you know,
Speaker 10: parochial schools and the Catholic university and.
Speaker 2: Which one which Catholic University.
Speaker 10: I went to school in Nova Scotia at a place
Speaker 10: called Saint Francis David University.
Speaker 2: Oh great, okay, we have a lot of listeners up
Speaker 2: in Nova Scotia. I wouldn't have been surprised. We heard
Speaker 2: from some of them tonight. That's good to know.
Speaker 10: Yeah. So, but we we had to go through retreats
Speaker 10: and the discip when of uh Catholicism while while I
Speaker 10: was there. So it was just a you know, and
Speaker 10: I think back to that those times, and I had
Speaker 10: priests and nuns as college professors, and they were uh,
Speaker 10: very strong in their subject matter and and compare it
Speaker 10: to you know, I went to a graduate school here
Speaker 10: in the United States, and but it was just a
Speaker 10: totally different environment. And and I appreciate all of the
Speaker 10: the education I got from them, you know, things as
Speaker 10: simple as you know, going to church every week, going
Speaker 10: to confession every week, getting dressed in a tie to
Speaker 10: go to school.
Speaker 2: I hear you. By the way, remember this, you got
Speaker 2: the Ten Commandments. You find it both in the Old
Speaker 2: and the New Testament. And that's why I say when
Speaker 2: I say, you know, the day of christian eth I
Speaker 2: think it's you know, Judaism turns into uh, you know,
Speaker 2: Christianity flows out of Judaism. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: get into big theology here, but I think that we're lucky.
Speaker 2: We live in a society that is based upon religions
Speaker 2: great the world. Two of the world's great religions, Judaism
Speaker 2: and Christianity. Absolutely, all right, thank you, my friend, Paul.
Speaker 2: Nice nice talk with I hope you call more often.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're a regular call yet, got to
Speaker 2: call more often, Okay.
Speaker 6: Right, all right, great, And I enjoy your program a lot.
Speaker 2: Well, appreciate that I do. I enjoyed your call. Thanks much.
Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. There's just
Speaker 2: one line there in six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. It's ten thirty, so we're we're continuing to
Speaker 2: talk about this. Uh. If you want to light these
Speaker 2: lines up, I can get you in. We can do
Speaker 2: it by midnight and we can get to uh to
Speaker 2: Joe Biden tomorrow. Joe Biden was on the View today.
Speaker 2: It was really it was sad to watch. I don't
Speaker 2: know if any of you watched that, but it was
Speaker 2: really sad to watch. You know, the the the people
Speaker 2: there there were, there were no tough questions. It was
Speaker 2: it was I mean, if I'm Joe Biden, have some
Speaker 2: dignity and go make some speeches at universities. But to
Speaker 2: put yourself out on daytime television. I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's something about it that that didn't strike me correctly,
Speaker 2: but but hey, I'm not Joe Biden. We'll be back
Speaker 2: on Nightside right after the break.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: But let's keep rolling, head, get back to the phone.
Speaker 2: Is going to go to my Christine and ddhim. Christine,
Speaker 2: welcome back, how are.
Speaker 8: You, thank you?
Speaker 11: How are you?
Speaker 2: There were a great interesting day to day It was.
Speaker 11: It really was. I was so happy to see that,
Speaker 11: and you know, to hear I'm just hoping now just
Speaker 11: we'll turn the churches around in the country around.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, I'm not sure that, but it
Speaker 2: may have a positive impact. I think. I think the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church has kind of dug themselves into a hole
Speaker 2: with the whole priest abuse scandal. I think the way
Speaker 2: that they handled it was horrible. Uh. It impacted a
Speaker 2: lot of people, including me, And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it impacted you or not, but I think they got
Speaker 2: to come back, you know, one step at a time. Uh.
Speaker 2: And maybe this is a right step and the maybe
Speaker 2: this is a step in the right direction.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Are you someone goes to church regularly or no?
Speaker 11: I do. I was always brought up to go to
Speaker 11: church regularly. My parents instilled that in May and my
Speaker 11: grandparents always always remained with the church and always go
Speaker 11: to church.
Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be
Speaker 2: interesting to see if a church attendance this weekend is
Speaker 2: up or the same, because I would think that if
Speaker 2: there's a ever going to be a boost in the
Speaker 2: American church attendance. You see some of it this weekend,
Speaker 2: I would think, but we'll see. It doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: there'll be an increase at every church, but I would
Speaker 2: think that some people might say, hey, American pope, let
Speaker 2: me let me go back and give it a try.
Speaker 11: So, yeah, yeah, I go to Less Rocks.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, absolutely, I go to I go to
Speaker 2: Holy Names just up the street. Yeah yeah. So, uh,
Speaker 2: that's that's the most the most convenient one in terms
Speaker 2: of the schedule, that that that I can find. And uh,
Speaker 2: it's tough to get to Saint Teresa's because you're gonna
Speaker 2: drive all the way down Center Street and now it's
Speaker 2: become it's it's almost impassable. You need to you need
Speaker 2: to have a passport. That street has just become virtually
Speaker 2: It's true. But they needed more bike lanes on that street,
Speaker 2: Christine than no one to get through. Hey, great to
Speaker 2: hear your voice. Did you watch it live today? Were
Speaker 2: you watching live?
Speaker 11: I did? I watched it. As soon as they said
Speaker 11: that they had they had reached that they had agreed
Speaker 11: with somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, once they saw the white smote, they knew
Speaker 2: that it would take about an hour and then there
Speaker 2: he was an American. Never thought i'd seen in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: But hey, it's been a lot of things I never
Speaker 2: thought had seen in my lifetime. But this is a
Speaker 2: positive I think. Thank you. I'm so happy, Christine, thank
Speaker 2: you very much. You sound happy to talk Sesson. All right,
Speaker 2: good bye, I got roof for a couple more six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We had two really strong hours. Let's finish strong. Let
Speaker 2: me go to Will in Long Island. Will, how are you, sir?
Speaker 6: I am a little shocked, honestly, you know, an American pope.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's odd to me considering our secularism. You know,
Speaker 6: I understand this is kind of a Christian Gudo founded nation,
Speaker 6: but you know, I was raised Catholic. I go to
Speaker 6: cal and Christian churches. I'm more of a Deist, not
Speaker 6: that I get my you know, my politics are based
Speaker 6: on our founding fathers, not that I get my spirituality
Speaker 6: from there. But a lot of them were deists.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: The Catholic Church to me was always you know, there
Speaker 6: were some things in the rituals, in the extracommunicado and
Speaker 6: the history of the church that kind of always put
Speaker 6: me off a little bit. And growing up Irish Catholic
Speaker 6: and Italian Catholic. You know, I still try to find
Speaker 6: my way back to any church that has Christian you know, roots.
Speaker 6: But I was a little shocked at an American pope,
Speaker 6: considering that this is like a secular nation where you know,
Speaker 6: we we do have sixty million Catholics, but we are
Speaker 6: only twenty percent Catholic, when South American countries, like where
Speaker 6: my wife is from in Colombia, is like ninety nine
Speaker 6: percent Catholic.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I also think that.
Speaker 6: There may be a little politicism to this, because you
Speaker 6: have an anti open border president and I don't know
Speaker 6: what this pope, if he'll have any political aspects, but popes,
Speaker 6: especially the last one, have been more open border and
Speaker 6: you know, preached the type of tolerance that you would
Speaker 6: expect a man of God to preach, right, because there's
Speaker 6: a place for that in our world. We need that, right.
Speaker 6: But I think that there may be some conflicts here
Speaker 6: with an American pope and a president that might not
Speaker 6: be seen by the Church in particular, especially the Vatican,
Speaker 6: as being all too welcoming.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you I disagree with you, and the
Speaker 2: reason I disagree with you is. I think that the
Speaker 2: US position of this is eminently defensible because if there
Speaker 2: was an invasion of just hundreds of migrants into the Vatican,
Speaker 2: into the into the the buildings of the Vatican, I
Speaker 2: guarantee you that they would be escorted out.
Speaker 6: Uh, then we have a giant wall, have a giant wall.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, No, exactly, but still they're there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we're they They opened that, they open it up every day.
Speaker 2: I think there's a whole different attitude. You know, we
Speaker 2: have the Statue of liberty. We welcome the people who
Speaker 2: are the poor and uh, and the dispossessed and and
Speaker 2: the people who are in need and all of that.
Speaker 2: But even when Ellis Island was going, we turned away
Speaker 2: people who were infected with tuberculosis and other diseases, and.
Speaker 6: We turned as we turned away, you know, jees, the Holocaust.
Speaker 2: Yes we did, which we did, which was wrong, this
Speaker 2: the ship the Saint Louis. Absolutely we incarcerated Japanese Americans,
Speaker 2: which was a huge overreaction, unjustified overreaction. But having not
Speaker 2: lived in that moment in time, god knows what people
Speaker 2: were thinking. However, having lived in the time of unbridled
Speaker 2: open borders, immigration. We see what happened. It was a mistake.
Speaker 2: It never should have happened. A country that doesn't have
Speaker 2: borders doesn't have a country. And I think that I'm
Speaker 2: not you and I but I would sit with the Pope.
Speaker 2: And if I were Donald Trump, I think Donald Trump
Speaker 2: could sit with the Pope and say, look, you know,
Speaker 2: we welcome people, we take in more. I want us
Speaker 2: to take in more legal immigrants. I want us to
Speaker 2: we only take in we only naturalize about a million
Speaker 2: people a year. We're three hundred and thirty million people.
Speaker 2: We have a birth rate that is less than I
Speaker 2: think it's one point six percent.
Speaker 6: You know, pointing out the yeah, pointing out the blatant
Speaker 6: hypocrisy of the recent position of the vat again is
Speaker 6: you know, obvious. But we also have the bad in
Speaker 6: and Catholic churches in particular, and Catholic charities that were
Speaker 6: funding and getting funding for a lot of the relocation
Speaker 6: of the migrants. All of this, in my opinions, tied together.
Speaker 6: But one more thing, just real.
Speaker 2: Quickly, many I want to make sure that I'm what
Speaker 2: you're saying. Catholic charities wasn't funding it. Catholic charities were
Speaker 2: being paid by US tax doll right to house rights.
Speaker 5: Getting it fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I'm saying Catholic Charities was benefited.
Speaker 6: Benefited, right, So that's what I'm saying, getting a vested
Speaker 6: They had a vested interest in the in these illegal
Speaker 6: immigrants coming in and then getting money from our government
Speaker 6: to help relocate them and put them up and put
Speaker 6: them here and move them there. And there's a lot
Speaker 6: of things going on in there that our side that
Speaker 6: we're on is the immigration uh you know system would
Speaker 6: not be happy with. Okay, And then just one more
Speaker 6: thing before I go. I don't want to rub it
Speaker 6: in because a lot of you know, your your your
Speaker 6: fans over there, they know me and I love both.
Speaker 6: But like, first off, not to have a pope from
Speaker 6: New York or Boston was shocking to me. But it's
Speaker 6: going to be American and the other thing. Sorry about
Speaker 6: you know where the Celtics are going so far, but
Speaker 6: let's go next. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Then it's a seven game series? Am I correct on that?
Speaker 6: But it feels pretty good right now, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Don't get over confident. Oh
Speaker 2: you know, you may win, but wait until you win
Speaker 2: to really gloat.
Speaker 6: Okay, because I know I've watched many of Boston take
Speaker 6: down the Knicks. Over is my lifetime.
Speaker 2: I get it. I understand position here. But I'll tell
Speaker 2: you if just remember, as I think the two thousand
Speaker 2: and four Red Sox said in one of the games,
Speaker 2: I think it was Game four, don't let us win
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 6: Well, I was a Met fan. I'm a Met fan.
Speaker 3: I was rooting for you guys.
Speaker 6: I'm a Met fan.
Speaker 2: I was like, go ahead, I understand, I understand the
Speaker 2: internecine warfare of in New York City. All I would
Speaker 2: say to you is this, uh, that Game three is
Speaker 2: a pretty important game, and if don't let you be twin,
Speaker 2: don't let the sap. That's my warning to you. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 2: we plan on it.
Speaker 6: I'm hoping. I mean, you guys seem to blow those
Speaker 6: twenty point leads pretty good, so we're kind of hoping
Speaker 6: that that happens again, a little collapse.
Speaker 2: We'll say, we'll see. You know, we're we're certainly the
Speaker 2: underdog here, so let's see what happens. And again, I'm
Speaker 2: not a huge I'm not a huge basketball expert. I
Speaker 2: have friends who played the game friends who played in
Speaker 2: the NBA, But I'm much more of a baseball and
Speaker 2: a hockey.
Speaker 6: This is the only time I can enjoy the rivalry
Speaker 6: with Boston because this is the only because in baseball
Speaker 6: my greatest memory. To be honest, I know it hurts,
Speaker 6: and Bill Buckton seems like a great guy. But the
Speaker 6: Bill Bonden play is like when as a metman, that's
Speaker 6: just like I mean, it was I'm ten years old
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty six. It was like the greatest thing
Speaker 6: that ever happened to us and led to a Game
Speaker 6: seven that we won. We won the World Series. So
Speaker 6: I have nothing but love for Boston, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, until we get on that court down at
Speaker 6: the at the at the guard and then then it's
Speaker 6: a different ball game.
Speaker 2: All right, We'll see what happens. Thanks, Thanks, will go
Speaker 2: in here. Okay, I go one lineup. I got Johann
Speaker 2: or Johan in Richmond, Virginia. Looking forward to talking to Johan.
Speaker 2: I'll get to you right after the break. My friend
Speaker 2: and I got some lines open here. The lines have
Speaker 2: been crazy busy all night. If you have tried to
Speaker 2: get in dialing now and I can get you in
Speaker 2: under the Wire six one, seven, two, five, four to
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Uh,
Speaker 2: we won't be going back to this tomorrow night. We've
Speaker 2: done three hours on it tonight, almost three hours. I'm
Speaker 2: very happy we did. I think this is a tremendous
Speaker 2: story and it's a good story. Uh, there's not a
Speaker 2: whole lot of controversy about it, but and very really
Speaker 2: do we do three hours normally we're doing three hours.
Speaker 2: We do controversial stories. Feel free to add your voice.
Speaker 2: I think it was a great day for the Vatican.
Speaker 2: It was a smart move by the College of Cardinals,
Speaker 2: and I think it was a great day for the
Speaker 2: Night States to finally have a pope from America, from
Speaker 2: the United States of America in the Vaticant. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after the break.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BZ
Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, we got a bunch of people and go to
Speaker 2: Johann or Johann in Richmond, Virginia. Johan, welcome, how are
Speaker 2: you very good?
Speaker 5: Thank you, it's a pleasure to talking to you. I
Speaker 5: was driving today. I had an unscheduled travel to Baltimore
Speaker 5: and anyway, I was profound your radio station. I certainly
Speaker 5: enjoyed the programming, and more importantly, I really appreciated how
Speaker 5: you were interacting with your guests, and thank you certainly
Speaker 5: as one of the reasons that motivated me to call.
Speaker 5: And then put I guess throw in my little two cents.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, your first time call, and we're going
Speaker 2: to give you a quick round of applause if you
Speaker 2: don't mind. We had a virtual studio audience, digital audience. Here,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go, Brian. You know where that button is.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, my producer, mister go ahead.
Speaker 5: Johan, Well, thank you very much, and thank you for
Speaker 5: making me feel welcome. I wanted to mention I'm originally
Speaker 5: from South Africa. I migrated to as a little boy.
Speaker 5: I always was fascinated with Americans. I found that I
Speaker 5: found myself in the mornings three four o'clock in the
Speaker 5: mornings watching football games, baseball games and enjoyed it. I've
Speaker 5: also loved the fact that one of the things that
Speaker 5: drew me to America was Americans were always people that
Speaker 5: ran to problems and not away from them. And that's
Speaker 5: one of the things that I said to myself one
Speaker 5: day when I go up, I'm gonna this is a
Speaker 5: little boy saying this. Now, I'm going to go to
Speaker 5: this amazing place where people go and solve problems, run
Speaker 5: to it and away from it. And then I obviously
Speaker 5: talking about the new pope, and to tie that into
Speaker 5: all of this, it sounds like he hasn't had an
Speaker 5: amazing uh uh life in the in the faith, has
Speaker 5: also been drawn to missionary work and running to problems
Speaker 5: and not away from him. So I'm really looking forward
Speaker 5: to all the wonderful work that he's going to be doing.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 5: I'm not a Catholic, but my kids were raised in
Speaker 5: the Catholic faith, and the Catholic organization has been very
Speaker 5: kind to my family and very good to us. Is
Speaker 5: so obviously have a deep respect and and and love
Speaker 5: for them. Obviously have seen the problems that has been
Speaker 5: created over time. And I'm not going to harp on
Speaker 5: on the negative stuff, but the positive is I see
Speaker 5: a lot of folks tonight and listen to a lot
Speaker 5: of folks that is so very excited about the pope
Speaker 5: being an American pope, and then that it seems like
Speaker 5: it's definitely affecting them, just like it affected me now
Speaker 5: that I'm a citizen of the United States.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad first, I'm glad you. I'm glad you're
Speaker 2: a citizen. I'm glad you're listening, Johan or Johann, and
Speaker 2: please continue to listen. I got a couple of other
Speaker 2: callers who want to sneak in here under the wire,
Speaker 2: but I hope you will become a regular listener. We're
Speaker 2: ten thirty on your AM dial lock us in. We've
Speaker 2: heard all over the eastern half of the US, and
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you as a regular listener and caller.
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate it, and thank you. And maybe somebody
Speaker 5: should tell the Pope the lines for the real IDs.
Speaker 5: He's very long. He's gonna that one yet he doesn't
Speaker 5: have to worry.
Speaker 2: About that one. Thanks Johan, we'll talk again. I hope,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Pleasure, pleasure. Let me go, Robert,
Speaker 2: I got you, Tim and Dawn. Robert, go ahead, gotta
Speaker 2: be quick for me, buddy. Robert in New Brunswick, Canada.
Speaker 8: We talked briefly ten days ago or so. I'm gonna
Speaker 8: say very briefly, I'm a product from I'm going to
Speaker 8: give a bit of a positive pr for Catholics. That's
Speaker 8: not a well known story. Okay, go ahead, the Bath,
Speaker 8: the Bath priests that started the Mondragone Cooperative in the
Speaker 8: Basque region of Spain. Okay, that that area was devastated
Speaker 8: after the war, after the Spanish Civil War, and that
Speaker 8: guy created the cooperative that's literally like the most important
Speaker 8: industrial component of the Spanish economy. I'm not sure if
Speaker 8: they're still running, but they were very significant, uh, aspect
Speaker 8: of that society rebuilding like from from it was a
Speaker 8: completely destroyed area. Good And no people would research this
Speaker 8: because all you're getting is negativity. Negativity, And I'm a
Speaker 8: talk and trying to tell you people, tough people as
Speaker 8: much as possible got it's not all doom and goom.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of good things have been done by
Speaker 8: Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: And all right, Robert Robin, we know that I hate
Speaker 2: I hate to break you here, but but I thank
Speaker 2: you for the comments. I want to get one more
Speaker 2: in before the break. Please, thank you very much, Robert,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Let me go to Tim and fox Brough. Tim,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, gotta be quick from me. We were
Speaker 2: running out of time.
Speaker 5: Dan, I'm very very happy with the selection of the
Speaker 5: American Pope. My big thing. I talked to you a
Speaker 5: month so ago.
Speaker 6: I still want an investigation on the on the Biden
Speaker 6: coop that took him out.
Speaker 2: We'll leave that for another night, all right, Thanks man.
Speaker 2: I think I'm flat out of time. What do I
Speaker 2: got left here? Brian? How much? Okay I got? I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm done, Tim, Sorry man, thank you shouldn't have even
Speaker 2: taking it. Thank you much to down in New York.
Speaker 2: I apologize, Brian. Great job, I'm Marie, a great job.
Speaker 2: I'll see you guys on Facebook in a moment. All dogs,
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Speaker 2: Charlie raised who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's
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Speaker 2: you love them. You'll see them again. Congratulations of the Pope.
Speaker 2: Have a great Friday everyone. We'll see themorrow night. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much.