Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of June
Speaker 1: twenty third, we are continuing with Lost season three, episode four,
Speaker 1: every Man for Himself, which is a Sawyer flashback episode. Predictably,
Speaker 1: we want Sawyer once again thinking only of him and
Speaker 1: taking advantage of poor Ian Gomez. Hi, I and Gomez.
Speaker 1: Nice to see my old friend from Cougartown Days.
Speaker 3: A fellow prisoner. Yeah, it is a new hairstyle for
Speaker 3: Sawyer that we haven't seen before. It's a little half up,
Speaker 3: half down ponytail.
Speaker 1: Yes, these things are important, but so it shows him
Speaker 1: basically being the Sawyer we have known all along. We
Speaker 1: find out I guess that he maybe has a daughter,
Speaker 1: which he is both saying to the child's mother, it's
Speaker 1: not my daughter, and then you know, leaving a bunch
Speaker 1: of ill gotten gains for her any bank account that
Speaker 1: presumably somebody at some point will tell her she has.
Speaker 1: But right, And then meanwhile in lost Land, Ben Ben
Speaker 1: place some mind games. He's having himself a good time
Speaker 1: playing mind games with Sawyer and Sawyer being I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess you would have no reason not to think
Speaker 1: that he was doing to you exactly what he said
Speaker 1: he was doing to you. But Sawyer hasn't had that
Speaker 1: much contact with Ben previous to as he hasn't he
Speaker 1: wasn't in the hatch chatting them up. Yeah, so perhaps
Speaker 1: he's unfamiliar with the man's work. But those of us
Speaker 1: watching at home are going, your heart's not going to explode. Man,
Speaker 1: he's playing you. Yeah, but supposedly inserts a pacemaker like
Speaker 1: item in Sawyer's heart that his heart rate goes up
Speaker 1: above a certain level, like if he's fighting or escaping
Speaker 1: or you know, making time with Kate, watching Kate will
Speaker 1: his heart will explode and he buys this hook line
Speaker 1: and sinker, which, Okay, it's a stressful time. His instincts
Speaker 1: aren't at the top of their game. But he is
Speaker 1: a con man, like doesn't recognize like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to.
Speaker 1: Want to ask some more questions about this. It seems
Speaker 1: like an impractical thing under the circumstances. But in the end,
Speaker 1: you know, Ben comes clean and just sort of humiliates
Speaker 1: him in a variety of ways. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: really sorry for Sawyer.
Speaker 3: Ben, didn't you know, let Sawyer dangle for very long?
Speaker 3: I mean he no, He told him like the next day,
Speaker 3: probably because his heart rate was going to go over
Speaker 3: that that number it was at any point and then
Speaker 3: so it'd be like, oh, look it's still here. I'm
Speaker 3: still here. So I guess that was all a big scam.
Speaker 1: He wanted to take the advantage of, you know, you
Speaker 1: wanted to take the opportunity to humiliate him without it
Speaker 1: happening just independently, right and smack him in the face.
Speaker 1: With an excerpt from of Mice and Men. After Sawyer
Speaker 1: was acting all haughty about.
Speaker 3: It, so we have known, sorry to be quite the reader,
Speaker 3: the avid reader.
Speaker 1: He'll read whatever he got right, But apparently those pages
Speaker 1: that Ben quoted back at.
Speaker 3: Him he missed.
Speaker 1: Yes, and uh, let's see we have some impromptu island
Speaker 1: surgery which is unsuccessful, right because there's no crash car.
Speaker 1: Jack being a professional expected that in this island hospital
Speaker 1: and there would be all the latest equivalent under the
Speaker 1: crash car. What do you mean this?
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, this is where we do life saving surgery.
Speaker 1: I'm used to a better kind of set up here.
Speaker 1: What are you guys doing? And Juliet Is is doing
Speaker 1: surgery though she is a fertility specialist, which you know.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to lose their license Island hospital.
Speaker 3: She's I'm not used to lost. I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of loss in fertility.
Speaker 1: That's true, Yes.
Speaker 3: I mean does this mean that like a pregnancy loss
Speaker 3: is I don't know like that that was like.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's your name as your friend dying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you say you're a pediatrician or so, I
Speaker 3: don't know, like, yeah, that's true. It was a weird
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I guess it's viscerally different, right, It's about like, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody's hard is in your hands and dying.
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 1: But uh? And then Jack notices that there's evidence of
Speaker 1: somebody with a giant spinal tumor and he just has
Speaker 1: to be a spinal surgeon. And he's starting to put
Speaker 1: two and two together a little better than faster than
Speaker 1: Sawyer did. Yes, that he is there for a reason.
Speaker 1: So who do we think? But we know at this point,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been I mean, that was just
Speaker 1: I guess I believe it is too, So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we should get to that plot because it seems
Speaker 1: a lot more interesting. Though. Are we just going to
Speaker 1: torture Sawyer for another week or two? Or are we
Speaker 1: going to get down to it people? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, are we going to keep alternating between the beach
Speaker 3: Castaways and this island where Jack and Sawyer and Kada,
Speaker 3: which we learned by the end of the episode is
Speaker 3: a separate island from someone that I thought they were on.
Speaker 1: So we needed here was another island, We.
Speaker 3: Needed, more characters. We needed that's l.
Speaker 1: Pallo is golfing by the sea high Man. We don't
Speaker 1: have no idea who you are, but you suddenly seem
Speaker 1: to be around.
Speaker 3: He doesn't take kindly to Desmond's golf tips. But of
Speaker 3: course Desmond turned out to be right.
Speaker 1: Assertion of these characters is so clumsy. I at the time,
Speaker 1: watching it the first time, I didn't know that necessarily
Speaker 1: they were being inserted in this way, but man, right
Speaker 1: they could like, I don't know, it just seems ridiculous
Speaker 1: that we're talking to this guy on the beach. So
Speaker 1: Desmond is puttering around.
Speaker 3: And just happened to put up a lightning rod right
Speaker 3: next to Claire's tent, right before a lightning struck.
Speaker 1: After previously telling her you might want to move down
Speaker 1: the beach, right and she didn't listen. Well, you might
Speaker 1: want to repair your roof, and she didn't listen. And
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, well fine, you're gonna get wet, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this here so you don't get fried.
Speaker 1: So the question is he still singing into the future? Yes?
Speaker 1: It would appear so, yes, And according to los Pedia,
Speaker 1: this showed him both that he was accurately seeing into
Speaker 1: the future and that he could do something about it.
Speaker 1: It would be an interesting feeling, right.
Speaker 3: So, also, by the way, speaking, shall we note that
Speaker 3: there's a wood chipper and a chainsaw happening outside my window. Okay,
Speaker 3: it is not. It is not you know, island construction.
Speaker 3: It is happening.
Speaker 1: And I would not all be surprised to find a
Speaker 1: wood chipper and a chainsaw over on otherville.
Speaker 3: Yes. So although they just used manual like take this
Speaker 3: rock and move it, that's true from here to there,
Speaker 3: like the classic you know, prisoner job is absolutely meaningless. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this, this woman who died was the one that
Speaker 1: Sun shot, right, So that was no repercussions from that.
Speaker 3: That could not save because too late.
Speaker 1: So she was shot and then she was put in
Speaker 1: a submarine and and she was brought over land to
Speaker 1: this uh you know, rudimentary surgery and she was still alive.
Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive, right, Maybe Son's not as good a
Speaker 1: shot as with them, but it's close range, as I recall, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would, I would sort of think she would not
Speaker 1: have made the submarine ride. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and once again we haven't we have like three
Speaker 3: groups and three locations because we haven't now seen Sun
Speaker 3: and engine and SAYID for a week or so.
Speaker 1: Yes, you don't, right, where are they there's there trudging?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Are they on the right island?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, no, if they had to take a submarine to
Speaker 1: get her to the uh you know, hospitals r US,
Speaker 1: then yeah, they must be on the right island, right,
Speaker 1: making their taking their time right, strolling in a leisurely fashion.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them wire.
Speaker 3: That's right. Oh, we need to find some some parenting
Speaker 3: lessons within this this episode.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, what exactly the whole uh bit of I mean,
Speaker 1: Sawyer and Kate do not seem to realize yet, although
Speaker 1: both of them have reason to be hyper suspicious of
Speaker 1: their surroundings, but neither of them has copped to the
Speaker 1: fact that there are cameras on you and they are
Speaker 1: watching you all the time. They are listening to every
Speaker 1: one of your conversations. So maybe don't plot escapes and
Speaker 1: you know, electrocutions out loud.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sort of reminds me of kids never really having privacy,
Speaker 1: right that mom is, Mom, can hear what you're saying
Speaker 1: in your room? Mom? Can? Mom has maybe put a
Speaker 1: baby monitor up for that purpose. You think that you
Speaker 1: are plotting something all by yourself, but people are hearing
Speaker 1: you and writting on you school. People are telling your
Speaker 1: parents what happened at school. You never really can get
Speaker 1: away with stuff, and yet you are so confident that
Speaker 1: you can yes, And then as a parent you have
Speaker 1: to say, do I, you know, expose my knowledge or
Speaker 1: do I just find a way. That's hard sometimes because
Speaker 1: you want you want to keep the channels open, but
Speaker 1: at the same time you want to be able to
Speaker 1: spring the trap. So it's all it's all a big
Speaker 1: Other Island experience playing mind games. You know, suggest you
Speaker 1: trying to use the power of suggestion to get people
Speaker 1: to do things without coming right out and doing it.
Speaker 3: Hopefully not playing one child against the other.
Speaker 1: No, we do we do you avoid that impossible? So yeah,
Speaker 1: every time you do things like this and you will
Speaker 1: get a little bit of satisfaction of it. Think about
Speaker 1: your Ben in this scenario.
Speaker 3: He's not the good guy.
Speaker 1: He's not the not the good guy. He's a little
Speaker 1: thing of the importance of reading. You know, it's good
Speaker 1: to know your literary references right right.
Speaker 3: And also going back to the Castaways, you know, preventative maintenance, yes,
Speaker 3: whether it's like actual maintenance on your home, but it's
Speaker 3: also like you know, predicting where things are going to go, like, oh,
Speaker 3: if I do this, then then that will possibly be
Speaker 3: the result, So let me see how I can influence
Speaker 3: this in the way that I needed to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, as a parent, you're always thinking
Speaker 1: three steps ahead of all the things that could go wrong,
Speaker 1: and you're running around being Desmond and your kids are
Speaker 1: being Claire, going eh, yeah, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're talking about.
Speaker 3: What's the big deal. I've been living just fine under
Speaker 3: this scrap of harp for weeks and weeks now it's fine.
Speaker 1: Who asked you? And so the times when, like Desmond,
Speaker 1: you are proven right and the things that you have done,
Speaker 1: you know, on your own to prevent things are successful,
Speaker 1: that is such a good feeling. It's like, yep see,
Speaker 1: yep see, I know things I can see into the future.
Speaker 3: You can live with that satisfaction for quite some time.
Speaker 1: It sustains us absolute And will they listen the next time? No, no,
Speaker 1: they will not. He could only explain, well, see, when
Speaker 1: the hatch imploded, I gained the ability to see the future.
Speaker 1: But people are gonna nod and back slowly away, like Hurley.
Speaker 3: Is doing every time he encounters to husband. You know,
Speaker 3: first he was just all naked and yeah, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: He looks remarkably healthy, though in this episode, you know,
Speaker 1: he's well dressed, he's looks like maybe he got some
Speaker 1: conditioner that hair, and you know, he's he looks like
Speaker 1: just a normal castaway trying to blend in. He could
Speaker 1: be Pallo, you know, he could be just some guy
Speaker 1: that we had not seen before, right, and now here
Speaker 1: he is right looking handsome. But no, then he has
Speaker 1: to go and you know, see the future.
Speaker 3: Right, But at least he protected Claire and Aaron and
Speaker 3: even Charlie.
Speaker 1: Even Charlie, he did not. Charlie possibly did.
Speaker 3: Not deserve it exactly. He may not have deserved it,
Speaker 3: and he certainly didn't appreciate it in the way that
Speaker 3: he should have.
Speaker 1: Charlie is like the most territorial dude over somebody who
Speaker 1: you have no really right to be territorial over. Holy cow,
Speaker 1: is antenna twitches when anybody comes within five feet of Claire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's never been like formerly sort of established
Speaker 3: like okay, we're kind of back.
Speaker 1: You know, she's tolerating him. Yeah, for a while there
Speaker 1: she stopped, and now she's doing it. She is tolerating
Speaker 1: him again. But yeah, there's no evidence that it's anything
Speaker 1: more than that. It's like I have to have some
Speaker 1: dude here apparently, so, but there was a there was
Speaker 1: a moment when Kate and Sawyer are in their cages
Speaker 1: and the others all come out with some guy with
Speaker 1: a bag over his head, and they immediately know it's Jack,
Speaker 1: which I guess there's three of them. If there's another prisoner,
Speaker 1: it's probably Jack. But I was thinking it was because
Speaker 1: of his tattoos, which were showing, right, so they have
Speaker 1: to subtly point out, did you notice jackass tattoos?
Speaker 3: Do you notice?
Speaker 1: They want us to notice? So I guess they can
Speaker 1: say that Kate and Sawyer have noticed also, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: guy about his height, with those tattoos, it's gotta be Jack.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they turned on like the sort of all
Speaker 3: these sirens and made all this noise. So yes, they
Speaker 3: could talk to him, like again, sounds like sounds like
Speaker 3: a giveaway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wellly you could, you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you wanted to impress on people that your kid was
Speaker 1: in trouble, your kid was doing something, you know, walk
Speaker 1: with the bag over the head, walk them through, walk
Speaker 1: them past. Look that's gonna happen to you if you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cautionary tape.
Speaker 1: Bad bad parenting strategy. There are others. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna hand Nope, nope. And Kate did the equivalent of
Speaker 1: the teenage girl climbing out the window. You know, how
Speaker 1: can they possibly get out of the cage. It's impossible
Speaker 1: to get out of the cage. Oh wait, you can
Speaker 1: just lift this thing and get out of the tree
Speaker 1: and then then crawl back.
Speaker 3: In, because.
Speaker 1: Is there an oak tree there for you to climb down?
Speaker 1: I believe that's the traditional thing, when you climb out
Speaker 1: the window and then climb back in. Well, that stayed
Speaker 1: by your guy.
Speaker 3: Well for once. He he was telling her to do
Speaker 3: the right thing or what was necessary in that scenario.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as we know now, even if she'd gotten
Speaker 1: out and run away, unless she could swim really amazingly
Speaker 1: well or find the submarine, it pretty much stuck.
Speaker 3: Although I wouldn't put it past her to be like submarine. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna figure out how to drive this thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go, Daddy, Chevy's in the driveway. I'm getting
Speaker 1: out of here. I guess stuff happened in this that
Speaker 1: will pay off in future episodes. But the flashbacks are
Speaker 1: just we need to we need to move on. These flashbacks,
Speaker 1: I mean giving rate of Hey, do you know Sawyer's
Speaker 1: a con man?
Speaker 3: They're just giving us the tiniest drop of information, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's got it, he's got a daughter.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and also he will stab you in the back,
Speaker 1: even if you are kind of a dummy, flubby guy
Speaker 1: like I Gomez. So yeah, kind of been there, done that,
Speaker 1: I think, right, But okay, what I really want to
Speaker 1: know is what's the deal with Nikki and Palin?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't wait to find out about those two.
Speaker 1: Dear or or you know how a fertility specialist winds
Speaker 1: up on the island doing whatever sort of doctory things
Speaker 1: they need, which we will get some of an episode seven,
Speaker 1: so not too far away.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, and that's They do seem to be kind
Speaker 3: of obsessed with children and babies.
Speaker 1: So that's true.
Speaker 3: So that's true. Could be connected.
Speaker 1: That's probably why. But how you know, if could we
Speaker 1: take a break from the big three for a while
Speaker 1: and or four including lock, can we get just like
Speaker 1: we get it?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: Moving along, but I guess they have. They're stuck there.
Speaker 1: They got all the time in the world. Before we
Speaker 1: tell you something else, you want to know.
Speaker 3: We'll circle back around took to Sawyer being a con
Speaker 3: man and Kate being a fugitive and Jack being a mess.
Speaker 1: And Locke being a sad sad.
Speaker 3: Ye there going four. That's all cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can't get enough of that. Next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we will continue with season three, episode five of Lost,
Speaker 1: the Cost of Living, which is I am happy to
Speaker 1: report an echo flashback episode.
Speaker 3: Okay, did you know how much with a drug dealer?
Speaker 1: What's going on with that? Yeah? Did you know? He's
Speaker 1: a drug dealer and he had a brother who was
Speaker 1: a priest and you know, caused his death and it
Speaker 1: was very traumatic. Let's look at that again, shall we,
Speaker 1: And then we will see you back here tomorrow to
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