Speaker 1: Hey, you guys, what is happening and what is up?
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Speaker 1: because it was a really good one from back in
Speaker 1: the day with the Big Bible podcast, and we covered
Speaker 1: the founding fathers and the creation of America. Is America
Speaker 1: really founded as a Christian nation? We're gonna make you
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Speaker 1: But I'm different.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think maybe maybe we should go
Speaker 2: ahead and pray. What do you think? I think it's
Speaker 2: Ben's turn to pray.
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Speaker 1: So I guess just like getting into it. It's like
Speaker 1: he was probably about two years ago. I ran across
Speaker 1: the documentary and watched it, and it was on you know,
Speaker 1: the Founding Fathers, you know, and them being Christians. You know,
Speaker 1: in school, we're always taught that, you know, we were
Speaker 1: found on Christian principles, where a Christian nation, you know,
Speaker 1: one nation under God, and that's to you from kindergarten.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like just beating in your head,
Speaker 1: you know. And this documentary basically challenged that assumption and
Speaker 1: actually took a deep dive into it and really exposed
Speaker 1: quite the opposite. And I remember it was just mind blowing.
Speaker 1: But at the beginning of the year, actually at the
Speaker 1: tail end of twenty twenty two, we sit down and
Speaker 1: was discussing what's topics and stuff that we wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about, and this was one of the ones that
Speaker 1: was brought up. But I had to rewatch that documentary
Speaker 1: and I cannot remember the name of it. Steven He's
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's got it written down over here, the
Speaker 1: name of this documentary. If you want to go back
Speaker 1: and watch it all over Yeah. I haven't watched it yet,
Speaker 1: but I will. Yeah, it was really good. And then
Speaker 1: I bought some books on the Freemasons and even alchemy
Speaker 1: and stuff like that to take a further deep dive
Speaker 1: into this. I think this is going to be a
Speaker 1: good discussion.
Speaker 2: This documentary was called The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers.
Speaker 2: You can find it on YouTube, but I will tell
Speaker 2: you it is enlightening. It A lot of what we're
Speaker 2: pulling today comes from that, along with some other sources
Speaker 2: as well. But this it's it's just a really good
Speaker 2: deep dive it get I mean, buckle your seat belts.
Speaker 2: About three hours long, but it's going to really change
Speaker 2: your perception of why we're here, like why was our
Speaker 2: country founded? Like where did it come from? And what
Speaker 2: were the the principles, the morals and the reasons that
Speaker 2: that brought us to where we are today. And actually,
Speaker 2: after you hear some of the things today, maybe where
Speaker 2: we are today won't surprise you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a weird way of
Speaker 2: looking at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, we've been always taught one thing
Speaker 1: and then now I guess with this doc documentary and
Speaker 1: some other stuff, it's a little different and it just
Speaker 1: seems to be like a common trend. And then that's
Speaker 1: the reason why there's shows like ours. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: once we start digging in and looking into these things
Speaker 1: that we are told, we find out quite often that
Speaker 1: there's a lot more to the story, right, And as
Speaker 1: they say, you know, the winner writes history you know,
Speaker 1: so they'll say whatever they want to say, kind of
Speaker 1: fluff it up a little bit, leave out the gruesome details,
Speaker 1: which I'm not denying. You know, the first people's you know,
Speaker 1: on that Mayflower. You know, the Pilgrims were Christian people.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm getting at. You know, yes, they
Speaker 1: set out here to form a Christian nation, but we're
Speaker 1: specifically talking about the Founding Fathers, the ones that was
Speaker 1: the heads of the Revolutionary War. The First Congress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they formed our union, right, I guess that be considered
Speaker 1: the first Congress.
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess I'll kind of start here a
Speaker 2: little bit with I was, I was looking at a
Speaker 2: few different things, and I found a guy I found
Speaker 2: pretty interesting was Gordon Wood. He's a professor of history
Speaker 2: at Brown University. And when he was kind of confronted
Speaker 2: with the question the guy, I mean, he's he's excellent.
Speaker 2: You can you can find some of his work to
Speaker 2: a few different places, but Gordon would and he said
Speaker 2: that most Founding fathers were not emotionally right religious is
Speaker 2: how he said it. And he said some were even
Speaker 2: anti religious. Uh, to the point where Jefferson hated organized
Speaker 2: religion and a big thing that we'll jump into, and
Speaker 2: this is a big thing that we see throughout the
Speaker 2: Founding Fathers is they believed in the principles of of
Speaker 2: what what Jesus stood for, but they did not believe
Speaker 2: in any of his divinity. And that's something that we're
Speaker 2: to see straight across the board here with pretty much
Speaker 2: all the Founding Fathers as we kind of go through this.
Speaker 1: Right, it's like it was a good structure for moral teaching,
Speaker 1: for moral teaching and civilization to work as a whole,
Speaker 1: but obviously not, you know, following Jesus and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I guess starting it off, you know, a guy named
Speaker 1: Charles Thompson. Uh. You know, he was the one that
Speaker 1: made the final call on the Great Seal of the
Speaker 1: United States and on the back of the American dollar bill,
Speaker 1: you know, the the pyramid with the eye on top.
Speaker 1: You know, some people call it the all seeing Eye. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you know, this guy kept great records and details
Speaker 1: about the revolution and the men that were involved. You know,
Speaker 1: people even begged him to publish his historical records, but
Speaker 1: he declined. Steven, you want to tell us what his
Speaker 1: reply to those the requests were?
Speaker 2: The quote here after he was encouraged to publish as
Speaker 2: he said, no, I ought not, for I should contradict
Speaker 2: all the histories of the great events of the revolution.
Speaker 2: Let the world admire the supposed wisdom and valor of
Speaker 2: our great men. I shall not undeceive future generations.
Speaker 1: That really tells you undeceive.
Speaker 2: And this guy, Charles Thompson, was the Congressional Secretary from
Speaker 2: seventeen seventy four to seventeen eighty nine. Somebody who the
Speaker 2: Congressional secretary, who wrote it off everything down, who was
Speaker 2: in the middle of everything, kept all the records, would
Speaker 2: have had the most complete, most accurate history of how
Speaker 2: our country was founded. And he's and what he ended
Speaker 2: up doing with those documents, he said, it would be it.
Speaker 2: You can't release them for that reason. So he eventually
Speaker 2: destroyed them.
Speaker 1: He burned out, destroyed them so nobody could find out that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean, I know, I like, I'll
Speaker 1: standing you guys earlier. We've been I've been watching a
Speaker 1: little stuff about the Revolutionary War, and there is a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that would the verbiage would have freed
Speaker 1: the slaves at the time of the writing of the
Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence, But they didn't want to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously we all know slavery is wrong, and if you
Speaker 1: you know, I guess Jesus didn't really address slavery, but
Speaker 1: if are God given rights totally debunk slavery. And they
Speaker 1: had to rewrite the constant or the declaration multiple times,
Speaker 1: so therefore they didn't have to free their slaves. We
Speaker 1: atheists try to defend, you know, or try to fight
Speaker 1: us and say, well, you know the Torah says it's
Speaker 1: okay for slavery. Well, the thing is is God. A
Speaker 1: walk with God is a process. It's not an overnight change.
Speaker 1: With a lot of you know, people in this area,
Speaker 1: like Southern Baptists and stuff. I've always been taught, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're saved, boom, you know you're not going to
Speaker 1: see it no more. It's a process and God meets
Speaker 1: you where you are. So God was like, okay, you
Speaker 1: got slaves, Well I'm gonna lay down some laws where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to treat them good. At least. My
Speaker 1: plan down the road is to get rid of this.
Speaker 1: But for right now, I'm going to meet you where
Speaker 1: you're at, and you're least going to have a set
Speaker 1: of laws and be set apart from everybody else, and
Speaker 1: you're going to treat them well.
Speaker 2: Right and biblically. A lot of the times that they
Speaker 2: were and not speaking of like the Egyptian slavery or
Speaker 2: things of that, but when they were slaves within their
Speaker 2: own within their own people a lot of times, and
Speaker 2: what would be is they couldn't settle a debt, so
Speaker 2: they would sell themselves. They're working it off, So that's
Speaker 2: the terminology.
Speaker 1: Not really a slave, you're working it.
Speaker 2: And then the law, the levitical law at the time,
Speaker 2: would every seven years it would forgive all debts at
Speaker 2: all slaves to be freed right as a levitical law.
Speaker 2: So I mean, you see, that's the the And I
Speaker 2: love how how God works and it's every seventh day,
Speaker 2: you know, it's the completion numbers, and there's so much there.
Speaker 1: Well on top of that, you know, one of our
Speaker 1: that Jesus said to do is love your neighbor as yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be nobody's slave. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: come on now, it's all you bankers take note. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after seven years, you're gonna have to, yeah, forgive.
Speaker 2: It's biblical like.
Speaker 1: Like Stephen said, don't take our word for it. Read
Speaker 1: your Bible true story. Kill that rabbit. Now we're gonna okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: back to the wait, let's back it up. There you go,
Speaker 1: There we go. So with Charles Thompson's comments, you know,
Speaker 1: he destroyed the manuscripts and he says he shall not
Speaker 1: undeceive of future generations. Now, what have we been deceived of?
Speaker 1: Is the question? You know? In God we trust? Is
Speaker 1: that a trick on your money?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The way that I take this, and once again this
Speaker 2: is going to be my personal point of view, and
Speaker 2: the way I interpret that. I can't say this is
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, you know. But if you look at
Speaker 2: what they believe, most of them believed, it was more
Speaker 2: of what we call deism, right. They believed in a
Speaker 2: divine creator, but a creator that did not have any
Speaker 2: interaction with man. There was a total separation. So they
Speaker 2: were smart enough to understand evolution wasn't real. But at
Speaker 2: the same time they they didn't couldn't understand anything like
Speaker 2: anything beyond the fact that God created it. Anything past
Speaker 2: that was something What happened here happened here, right, There
Speaker 2: was no other divine outside forces anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I think this probably be like a good segue
Speaker 1: to just kind of break down Freemasonry, because all the
Speaker 1: founding fathers were free Masons and members of you know,
Speaker 1: the lodges, and even the ones that are not outright
Speaker 1: prove and you know, you are the company you keep
Speaker 1: the ones, even the ones that are disputed that they
Speaker 1: don't know, all their best friends for Masons, and they
Speaker 1: had Masonic right thoughts and right you know, ideals.
Speaker 2: I would say that they and I mean the proven
Speaker 2: amount of Masons, you know, I think they said out
Speaker 2: of the there was nine I think it's nine.
Speaker 1: Not confirmed that were affirmed that were.
Speaker 2: Lodges, some that were lodge leaders, you know, like Benjamin
Speaker 2: Franklin was a lodge leader in Paris and Philadelphia and
Speaker 2: Philadelphia and a member of hell Fire Club as well.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole different and a womanizer. We'll get
Speaker 1: through us.
Speaker 2: And in nineteen ninety eight they found ten bodies buried
Speaker 2: in the basement he had lived in his whole life.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, we'll get there later, oh my, but uh
Speaker 2: but anyway, sorry, there's there's I mean, this goes this
Speaker 2: is a rabbit hole that takes us so far, and
Speaker 2: it's they believe that there was a God. But after
Speaker 2: that so they believed in God, but they did not
Speaker 2: believe in the It was wasn't specifically, yahweh, No, it
Speaker 2: sure wasn't. And actually, if you look track it back,
Speaker 2: a lot of this comes from a lot of the
Speaker 2: French ideologies that were happening pre pre Our Revolution, which
Speaker 2: was like ten or so years pre to the French Revolution,
Speaker 2: and that those ideas were founded on human reason.
Speaker 1: The goddess reason.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's where they come from, is it was
Speaker 2: the goddess reason, and to the point where they'd show
Speaker 2: her even on a throne where they'd put her above
Speaker 2: where reason ruled all human reason. So if an idea
Speaker 2: did not jive with your human reason, if it didn't
Speaker 2: make sense, then it wasn't true.
Speaker 1: Yes, that kind of sounds familiar, don't it. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: see there's lots of you know, rumors and stories about
Speaker 1: you know, the Mason's being, you know, an occult and
Speaker 1: you know, Satan worship and sacrifice. You know, we're not
Speaker 1: going to go down that hole. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the things that we can prove, you know, within
Speaker 1: being a secret society. You know, there's it leaves room
Speaker 1: for all kinds of speculation. But what we do know
Speaker 1: is that the only rule to become a free Mason
Speaker 1: is that you must proclaim a divine architect that there
Speaker 1: is a God, you know, whether it's yahweh Allah, Shiva, whatever.
Speaker 1: And another rule they had with the lodge was religion
Speaker 1: and politics were supposed to be left out of the
Speaker 1: lodge and the meetings. Anything that I guess that would
Speaker 1: cause division. But they were all about knowledge, you know,
Speaker 1: basically man evolutionizing himself into a God.
Speaker 2: Himself, which and break that back to the Garden of Eden,
Speaker 2: and you'll.
Speaker 1: Be as guides, Yes, you shall be as God's And.
Speaker 2: That's something that humanity has always tried to get back to,
Speaker 2: so as soon as we try to put ourselves in
Speaker 2: that position, and it's something that you see repetitive throughout history,
Speaker 2: but keep going.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, so so just because you know, they say,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, well, the Freemasons are Christians. They believe
Speaker 1: in God, they believe in a God. So I mean
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty broad spectrum right there. And like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, we're not talking about the Pilgrims. You know,
Speaker 1: that was one hundred and fifty years had passed from
Speaker 1: the time of the pilgrims coming here to the revolution,
Speaker 1: and that left a lot of time for a lot
Speaker 1: of bad seed and stuff to get planted. So I
Speaker 1: guess going to a really key figure in this whole plot,
Speaker 1: what was Thomas Pain. You know Thomas Pain. You know
Speaker 1: it says the revolution begins with this guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he wrote common Sense, and he brought the and he
Speaker 1: out the Declaration of Independence. You know, Benjamin Franklin encouraged
Speaker 1: him to come to America and write Common Sense. You know,
Speaker 1: John Adams even said Paine's words were equal to Washington's sword.
Speaker 1: So they were saying that, you know, if he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have wrote, you know, common Sense and his ideologies that
Speaker 1: he brought the revolution when it never got started. That
Speaker 1: the words of Thomas Paine where yeah, the spirit behind
Speaker 1: the American The book Common Sense was what kind of
Speaker 1: opened the eyes of the Americans.
Speaker 2: Kind of makes you wonder what was behind and maybe
Speaker 2: who indirectly was behind that. I mean, yes, Thomas Paine
Speaker 2: wrote it, but when you look at it, they took
Speaker 2: that same book they translated into French and then the
Speaker 2: French Revolution kind of came as a part of that
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Well, he wrote that book, and then when just about pain,
Speaker 1: he wrote the Common Sense Book, and then after the
Speaker 1: first year of war he wrote another book because George
Speaker 1: Washington was getting his butt kicks a bad to trying
Speaker 1: to re refire the Revolutionary War and seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of people, historians and stuff, you know, look back at
Speaker 1: this and they call this the age of reason. Well,
Speaker 1: the age of reason reason, I'm sorry, hated Christianity. You know,
Speaker 1: he's even quoted saying I cannot dishonor my creator by
Speaker 1: calling it by his name. You know, this is the
Speaker 1: words of Thomas Payne. You know, he believed in a god,
Speaker 1: just not the one of the Bible. You know, like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, he was freemason. You know, he
Speaker 1: is quoted saying, it is the fable of Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: as told in the New Testament in the wild and
Speaker 1: visionary doctrine raised there on to which I contend. And
Speaker 1: that's pretty strong statement, and it.
Speaker 2: Only gets worse. No, Yeah, that was another quote from
Speaker 2: the story. Taking it as it is talking about the Bible,
Speaker 2: the story as it is, Taking it, I'm sorry, Taking
Speaker 2: it as it is told is blasphemy, obscene. I mean
Speaker 2: he's straight up calling the Bible blasphemous. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the most blasphemous thing you can do, is called the
Speaker 2: Bible blasphemous.
Speaker 1: And first John, you know, chapter four even talked about that.
Speaker 1: You know, he said, beloved, do not trust every spirit,
Speaker 1: but test all spirits to see whether they belong to God.
Speaker 1: Many false prophets have gone out into this world. This
Speaker 1: is how you can tell and know that the spirit
Speaker 1: of God, every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in
Speaker 1: the flesh, belongs to God. Every spirit that does not
Speaker 1: acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is the
Speaker 1: spirit of anti Christ.
Speaker 2: And this takes us right back into that Ephesian six
Speaker 2: twelve that we talk about all the time. What do
Speaker 2: we what do we alter? What are we ultimately battling? Who?
Speaker 2: You know behind this when you have people usually that
Speaker 2: and you look at this throughout history and everything that
Speaker 2: and we even deal with this sometimes with just stuff online.
Speaker 2: You can post something about Jesus. You could post something
Speaker 2: about alien and no one cares you post something about
Speaker 2: Jesus and you will be under attack. And why is
Speaker 2: it that you that people have to And we look
Speaker 2: at this, and we look at some of these quotes
Speaker 2: from these Founding fathers. They're so adamantly against, not just
Speaker 2: not just I don't believe that, adamantly against, fired up
Speaker 2: for that. And to me that seems like maybe there's
Speaker 2: a little more behind that, if you if you you
Speaker 2: catch my drift there a.
Speaker 1: Little Yeah, that's the same with like atheist, Why are
Speaker 1: you so concerned about me worshiping a god if you
Speaker 1: don't believe there's a god, you just look at me
Speaker 1: like I'm silly. Well, it's just like kids with Santa
Speaker 1: Claus and tooth Fairy. Yeah, they're not real. What whoa? Whoa? Whoa?
Speaker 1: Sorry kids, whoa whoa? So do you just run right
Speaker 1: out and just tell all these little kids you know
Speaker 1: you're stupid. You're an idiot. Girls not real girls, push
Speaker 1: your ideas on me, you know, right, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: he's not real. Let the kids believe what they want
Speaker 1: to believe.
Speaker 2: All right. We've unicorns have been proven real, so let's
Speaker 2: not get carried away.
Speaker 1: But you know it's you know, we talked about it.
Speaker 1: You know this, you know the spirit of Reese and
Speaker 1: you know it could not believe in supernatural things of
Speaker 1: the Bible, and like Steven touched on it. You know,
Speaker 1: the goddess of reason, you know, was exalted on a throne,
Speaker 1: and you know many statues and pictures, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: the fifteen ninety nine Geneva Bible had footnotes talking about
Speaker 1: how pagans would enthrone the goddess of reason, reason would
Speaker 1: govern your.
Speaker 2: Understanding and hold on, I pulled a good one for
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 1: Well, even even with the reason stuff. While he's looking,
Speaker 1: I mean, look at like Sparta. They were all about
Speaker 1: reason all the Greece, you know, you know Greek they were.
Speaker 1: They weren't Christian by no means.
Speaker 2: How about uh, Second Corinthians ten four. We use God's
Speaker 2: mighty weapons to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning
Speaker 2: and to destroy false arguments. I just that one. It's
Speaker 2: it's funny how you can see how God gave us
Speaker 2: the tools so far ahead of time and throughout history
Speaker 2: that to combat all this to know the truth. And
Speaker 2: it just blows me away that we can take a book,
Speaker 2: you know that some of it which was written you know,
Speaker 2: wait before Jesus, significantly for Jesus. Some of it that's
Speaker 2: written just post Jesus, and we can take that book that's,
Speaker 2: you know, a couple thousand years old, and we can
Speaker 2: still use that book to this day to everything that's
Speaker 2: going on even right now. And as you what did
Speaker 2: you just say? What did you just say about the Uh,
Speaker 2: don't take our word for it. Read your Bible because
Speaker 2: it's there, it's right in front of you, and you
Speaker 2: just need to sit down and and and read it
Speaker 2: because it gives you the answers.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean that's the whole thing with the
Speaker 1: the you know, the worship of reason. I mean, in
Speaker 1: other words, it's it's the worship of the human intellect.
Speaker 1: You know that. You know, they became their own gods.
Speaker 1: You know. Thomas Payne even said, my own mind is
Speaker 1: my own church. I mean pompous well see, And that's
Speaker 1: the thing. They all were full of themselves because they
Speaker 1: it ain't like you know, my you know, obviously, I'm
Speaker 1: my great grandparents come over on the main flower. I
Speaker 1: own a farm. I'm not in congress. It's the ones
Speaker 1: who are well off, who come from money, who were
Speaker 1: already established in Europe, in Britain that came over, they
Speaker 1: already was in that standing. And Satan is the ruler
Speaker 1: of this world. Oh yeah, well they ain't that they
Speaker 1: were prospering because they were in line with that exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: and you know, just like the old you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we're from Tennessee, so you know we're good old boys.
Speaker 1: You know. My dad used to always tell me, you know,
Speaker 1: if you run around with the dogs, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: the fleas. But that wasn't just like that, birds of
Speaker 1: a feather flock together. Yeah, Dad would say if you
Speaker 1: if you hang out with trash, you'll start smelling like
Speaker 1: trash for you know it, you're trash with them. See,
Speaker 1: I got one too. I tell my kids. You know,
Speaker 1: I heard it online somewhere and it just stuck with me.
Speaker 1: I think it was Les Brown. I love that guy,
Speaker 1: great motivational speaker. But he said, I don't care if
Speaker 1: you're an eagle. If you're running around with a bunch
Speaker 1: of turkeys, eventually you're gonna learn how or forget how
Speaker 1: to fly, and you're gonna start clocking. Yep.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how eagle tastes, but turkey's delicious.
Speaker 1: Did you know, Sideline? They wanted to make the turkey
Speaker 1: the United States bird instead of the bald eagle. I'm
Speaker 1: glad they and if they did, we would not know
Speaker 1: what turkey tastes like.
Speaker 2: Do you know that may be a more appropriate mascot
Speaker 2: for our country right now? The turkey.
Speaker 1: The turkey is smart, it's delicious.
Speaker 2: It will just stand there and let a dog attack it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not it's not an eagle. It's not graceful,
Speaker 2: it's not beautiful, it's not elegant. Yeah, they are pretty
Speaker 2: ugly and they make terrible noises.
Speaker 1: But they're yummy. They are yemmy. I mean you have some.
Speaker 2: I do have some.
Speaker 1: But with that terminology, sorry for the sideline, let's get
Speaker 1: but with that terminology, you know, let's let's take a
Speaker 1: look at who the founding fathers, you know, ran around with,
Speaker 1: you know, and specifically Thomas Payne. You know, this guy
Speaker 1: was close to Thomas Jefferson, George Washington being Franklin. As
Speaker 1: I said, you know, birds of a feather flock together.
Speaker 1: You run around with lock minded people. Yep. So let's
Speaker 1: kind of look into some of these other guys and
Speaker 1: quotes that they had. You got anything on John Adams
Speaker 1: over there?
Speaker 2: I do. I do have a couple of things on
Speaker 2: John Adams. I want to get back at some point
Speaker 2: to Washington, because oh yeah, I got some stuff from
Speaker 2: that same professor from Brown University that had some good
Speaker 2: stuff on him too, which I think is interesting. But
Speaker 2: paging through my notes, which you said, John Adams, yeah,
Speaker 2: one of one of my quotes that I found from him.
Speaker 2: This is when phyllissophical reason is clear and certain by
Speaker 2: intuition or necessary induction, no subsequent relevation or i'm sorry,
Speaker 2: revelation supported by prophecies or miracles can supersede it. That is,
Speaker 2: by definition, following the Goddess of reason taking your human
Speaker 2: If your brain can't see, can't understand how something didn't happen,
Speaker 2: then it didn't happen. Or this is and we'll get
Speaker 2: into this, I'm sure a little more, but this is
Speaker 2: where one of the biggest problems the Founding Fathers had
Speaker 2: with the Bible was the virgin birth and in.
Speaker 1: The miracles, anything supernatural.
Speaker 2: Anything supernatural, but they really really went after the virgin birth.
Speaker 2: And that's another one of those Thomas Pain quotes. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry I missed this one when we were talking about it,
Speaker 2: But what is it. The Testament teaches us to believe
Speaker 2: that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman in gauged
Speaker 2: to be married. And the belief of this debauchery is
Speaker 2: called faith.
Speaker 1: I mean, God had sakes with Mary.
Speaker 2: He's saying that because he doesn't understand how a woman,
Speaker 2: how a woman who was a virgin could have a child,
Speaker 2: a child, and because that then something had to have
Speaker 2: had to copulate with her to make her have a child.
Speaker 2: So therefore it's not supernatural. They're taking the supernatural out
Speaker 2: everywhere they can. And and this is the supernatural that
Speaker 2: the church is okay with. You know, we talk about
Speaker 2: that all the time. There's the supernatural that is Jesus.
Speaker 2: And then we talk about that supernatural worldview where we
Speaker 2: see it in so many.
Speaker 1: Other places that most churches try to not talk about.
Speaker 2: But it just that just blows me away. And and
Speaker 2: that and we're taught that these were upstanding Christian gentlemen,
Speaker 2: I mean throughout history, and it's it's a lie.
Speaker 1: And even with the the Declaration of Independence, you know,
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson was the one that Pendance says, we hold
Speaker 1: these truths to be self evident. Reason first, that's what
Speaker 1: that is. This intentionally called out the irrational teachings quote
Speaker 1: unquote of the Bible. You know, we hold these truths
Speaker 1: to be self evident. Reason rules, Reason sits on the throne.
Speaker 1: You know, in Colossians two eight says be wire at
Speaker 1: least any man deceive you through philosophy in vain deceit
Speaker 1: after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world,
Speaker 1: and not after Christ. You know one Corinthians two fourteen,
Speaker 1: the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
Speaker 1: of God, for they are foolish unto him, because reason rules. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at that way, it makes better sense. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like Stephen just said, I mean, a book written thousands
Speaker 1: of years before saw this coming, and it's trying to
Speaker 1: prepare you for I mean it probably.
Speaker 2: I think to some degree. But you have to understand,
Speaker 2: the spirit behind that pen was God. Right, we talked
Speaker 2: about that before. The spirit behind the pen, who is it?
Speaker 2: The spirit behind that pen was God. It was the
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit that was helping that. Right, the truth that
Speaker 2: that came from God, that inspired word. And you know,
Speaker 2: when we're looking at some of these other things, and
Speaker 2: and then we can go in you started with Thomas Jefferson,
Speaker 2: you might as well go in to uh start working
Speaker 2: on Thomas Jefferson here and kind of going into some
Speaker 2: of his exploits.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh well, leading into that, I wanted to
Speaker 1: hit this, uh, this book and I this is on
Speaker 1: my list of books. Uh. But it's called Fire in
Speaker 1: the Mind of Men by doctor James Billington. You know,
Speaker 1: America during the Revolution was most influenced by occultism and
Speaker 1: proto Roman Romanism of Germany. You know, they took the
Speaker 1: flame from the Christian altars to the Masonic lodges. You know.
Speaker 1: These are quotes from this book and talks about the
Speaker 1: influence and stuff of these founding fathers. You know. Occult
Speaker 1: alchemists promised to turn dross into gold. You know. This
Speaker 1: reappeared to recreate the Golden Age, you know, and this
Speaker 1: goes back to Genesis six, when the gods you know,
Speaker 1: walked amongst us, you know, and the mighty men of old.
Speaker 1: This is what these guys in these Freemason societies were
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish, but through themselves, you know, you will
Speaker 1: you yourself will be as God's. They were trying to
Speaker 1: bring back reason and the Golden Age and all these things.
Speaker 1: And that's the spirit of Satan, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: that goes all the way back to genis Is three.
Speaker 1: But his reference to Germany was Bavaria, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's where the Illuminati is found, you know, and it
Speaker 1: was founded seventeen seventy six. Y'all coincidence, I'm sure, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, it's links to masonry are acknowledged by the
Speaker 1: highest levels of the freemasonry today. The Illuminati was originally
Speaker 1: an inner circle of Freemasons, and they were called the
Speaker 1: enlightened Ones.
Speaker 2: They were illuminated.
Speaker 1: I tell you one thing. I've been in the Mason's
Speaker 1: lodge before, through work, sure, definitely through work right now.
Speaker 1: On the outside, you know, they had like a co rack,
Speaker 1: little wooden pegs, and there is all these weird looking
Speaker 1: symbols with you know, on chains hanging there. And then
Speaker 1: so it's the room that they go do their ceremonies
Speaker 1: or whatever. In it was freaky, Like when I opened
Speaker 1: the door because I was curious, you know, I wonder
Speaker 1: what in here looks like? I mean downstairs was just
Speaker 1: tables like where they'd have a you know, your fellowship haul.
Speaker 1: Everybody get together and have dinner and have spaghetti night.
Speaker 1: Nothing going. I mean, they had pictures around the wall
Speaker 1: of all the the leader Masons or whatever they are.
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean it was when I opened that
Speaker 1: door and set foot in there, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like your wife talking about going into that shop with
Speaker 1: a wiki board. Oh. It was freaky, dark, heavy spirit. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was like set looked around. It's like I'm out.
Speaker 1: It was weird paintings, like some weird shapes on the
Speaker 1: floor and knock. I mean it was it was weird. Well,
Speaker 1: you know the symbolism since you brought it up behind
Speaker 1: all that stuff. In their rituals of initiation, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: They what they would do is a person that wanted
Speaker 1: to become, you know, an entry level Freemason. They had
Speaker 1: this ritual where everybody would be you know, hooded and
Speaker 1: covered in a dark room and they would take the
Speaker 1: initiate and expose his right breast and roll up I
Speaker 1: can't remember which leg, one of his legs. They'd roll
Speaker 1: his pant leg up, and then they'd put a noose
Speaker 1: around his neck and then a bag or a tarp
Speaker 1: over his head, and then someone would lead him through
Speaker 1: the lodge. Well. The lodge had a black and white
Speaker 1: checkerboard floor, and this was like to symbolize you know,
Speaker 1: good and evil being together, and like basically the world
Speaker 1: is a chessboard and that there inevitably has to be
Speaker 1: bad moves, evil moves, dark places to go in order
Speaker 1: for the greater good. And we all know, you know,
Speaker 1: in the game of chess, you know, they always say,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody sacrif this sacrificed the ponds, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And they would at the front of the room was
Speaker 1: an altar and a flame and that's where the you know,
Speaker 1: the the highest level, the warship master would be and
Speaker 1: this other guy. He would lead this blindfolded guy around
Speaker 1: with a dagger to his right breast. Well the symbolism
Speaker 1: and that was you know, Freemasonry only accepted men, So
Speaker 1: the right breast was exposed to show that he was
Speaker 1: not a female. The pant leg was rolled up to
Speaker 1: show that he was not a slave. There was no chains,
Speaker 1: So basically, you're not a slave to the dogma you know,
Speaker 1: of religious thought and stuff like that. You are a
Speaker 1: free thinker. You are a free man. And you're blindfolded
Speaker 1: because you're ignorant. And they would lead you in from
Speaker 1: the west door because they believed that wisdom came from
Speaker 1: the east. Ignorance came from the west, so you'd enter
Speaker 1: from the west side, moving towards the east. But you
Speaker 1: were being led and you were wondrously being led around,
Speaker 1: like you were lost, and it was just symbolism. You know,
Speaker 1: you're lost, probably just walking around. And after so long
Speaker 1: a time, the initiate would ask to show me the light.
Speaker 1: Then they would lead you to the east to the
Speaker 1: altar where the flame was and unveil you and there
Speaker 1: you would see the flame and they would have these
Speaker 1: other symbolic things there and it was like, I can't
Speaker 1: remember exactly what they called it, basically the Book of Knowledge.
Speaker 1: And if you were a Christian believer, this was the Bible.
Speaker 1: If you were, you know, a Buddhist, it was the
Speaker 1: Buddhist book. You know, whatever religious affiliation that you aligned
Speaker 1: yourself with, that's what the book was. And then you
Speaker 1: would have the square, you know, the ninety degree angles.
Speaker 1: Soon that's where you get the the verbage. You know, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a squire, dude, you know, he's right, he's upright,
Speaker 1: you know. There's just so much symbolism in that. But
Speaker 1: then you would go up there and then you'd make
Speaker 1: your pledges and stuff like that, but they would illuminate you.
Speaker 1: There's just so much stuff there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know enough about that stuff. I haven't
Speaker 2: really delved into that like you, But I just have
Speaker 2: a feeling anytime there's a ritual or a ceremony and
Speaker 2: it's not something that is.
Speaker 1: And it's in secret. Yeah, like what are you hiding?
Speaker 1: And you know that the phrase being blackballed that came
Speaker 1: from freemasonry because you know, even like in the Bible,
Speaker 1: you know, we're when we get our new name and
Speaker 1: you're giving the white stone that was a stone back
Speaker 1: then the show pardon or you know, a thumbs up
Speaker 1: of approval. The blackstone was denial or guilty. So once
Speaker 1: you've done all these riots, you were let out and
Speaker 1: then the Freemasons would all vote on whether or not
Speaker 1: you made it into the lodge, and you were given
Speaker 1: a white and black stone and that's how you voted.
Speaker 1: So if you didn't, somebody voted to know against you,
Speaker 1: they put a blackstone into the bowl, and when you
Speaker 1: didn't get it, you were blackballed. That's where that terminology
Speaker 1: comes from. And even the term you know, ah man
Speaker 1: I was given the third degree, that's from Freemasonry because
Speaker 1: there was three levels and there's so much just symbolism.
Speaker 1: Man Like, once you get past the first stage, you know,
Speaker 1: the first age, you know, you're not giving any kind
Speaker 1: of you know, quote unquote secrets. Then once you you know,
Speaker 1: progress and do good works and all these things, you
Speaker 1: progress the second level. They take you to the spiral
Speaker 1: staircase and you ascend to the second level, and there's
Speaker 1: all this ritual you know, with corn and wine and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. You know, and then the third degree
Speaker 1: was the hardest to get, the hardest to obtain. And
Speaker 1: that's why you get that phrase today. You know, alwise
Speaker 1: given the third degree because it was so extraneous, I
Speaker 1: guess in heart of an ordeal to obtain. M hmm, well,
Speaker 1: I do know, since we're talking about Freemasons, majority, if
Speaker 1: not all, I would say probably not all, but mostly
Speaker 1: all of our presidents have been Freemasons.
Speaker 2: There's been a bunch of other societies they've been parts
Speaker 2: of throughout history to like Nixon was in the Red Friars,
Speaker 2: or you look at what's it Skull and Bones was
Speaker 2: like the Bushes were both in the scullet. Both of
Speaker 2: them were in the scull and Bones Society, and then
Speaker 2: was it the Jefferson was in the the Flat Hat
Speaker 2: Society or something of that nature. There's only six members
Speaker 2: at any given time, but that was supposedly he said
Speaker 2: was didn't and think it was still in existence when
Speaker 2: he was president or around that time. There's just the
Speaker 2: thing is in the end, if it needs to be
Speaker 2: a secret, there probably isn't good. There's not many things
Speaker 2: that come good from secrets. And I think you can
Speaker 2: say that from your kid just telling you a lie,
Speaker 2: like hey Dad, no I didn't I didn't break the
Speaker 2: lamp and hide it behind the couch. That's a secret.
Speaker 2: Secrets aren't good. And you know who knows, who knows everything,
Speaker 2: every every everything you've ever done. You can't hide a
Speaker 2: secret from exactly. And that's the thing. So in the end,
Speaker 2: those secrets are all exposed. We can't hide that stuff.
Speaker 1: We can't.
Speaker 2: Just looking at this stuff. When you the more and
Speaker 2: more I get into stuff, it's it's enlightening, but it's discouraging.
Speaker 2: And I hate to say it that way, but seeing
Speaker 2: how much and this is we're talking about the foundation. Sorry,
Speaker 2: we're going I'm backing it up to what we were
Speaker 2: actually supposed to be talking about jump off. We keep
Speaker 2: jumping off. There's just so many different rabbit holes we
Speaker 2: can go down. But looking back and seeing and when
Speaker 2: when watching that documentary and then reading some of the
Speaker 2: other stuff, I just it's discouraging. And to think that,
Speaker 2: you know, our country was founded on morals different than
Speaker 2: what I was taught that that that they were. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is something that I don't think the majority of
Speaker 2: people understand or know that this was. Our country was
Speaker 2: not founded on on the God yahweh as we say.
Speaker 2: It was founded on the fact that there was a creator,
Speaker 2: but give him whatever name you want. This is a
Speaker 2: This was an eye opening research session for me when
Speaker 2: we started really delving into this and it whow it
Speaker 2: got deep for me and I and I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: it's really dark and it really it bothers me, I guess.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, that's why it's so important,
Speaker 2: why God always talks about is to surround yourself with
Speaker 2: other like minded Christians, to have good, up upstanding people
Speaker 2: in your circle so that you know you know that
Speaker 2: somebody's got your back when it comes to those things.
Speaker 1: And then when you when you get off stray, they
Speaker 1: correct you.
Speaker 2: Exactly. They keep you on the right path because you
Speaker 2: look around and you look at this stuff we're looking
Speaker 2: at right now. How easily, how easily is for somebody
Speaker 2: pulled astray.
Speaker 1: Oh, fall into it.
Speaker 2: I want, I want to belong I want to be
Speaker 2: part of I want power. Where do you think these
Speaker 2: societies come from? How do they? Oh, I want to
Speaker 2: belong to that. That's that's exclusive.
Speaker 1: That's secret. It's interesting, it is.
Speaker 2: And it draws people in. And I think that's half
Speaker 2: the reason why something like the Masons or other organizations
Speaker 2: are I mean, the Masons aren't really secret. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: It's semi secret. You know that we don't know everything
Speaker 2: that goes on. Everybody knows there's Freemasons. Everybody doesn't know
Speaker 2: what goes on. And I think that's just for appeal,
Speaker 2: more than almost anything else, is to get people to
Speaker 2: desire that, to want that.
Speaker 1: Well, even what I think is funny too, is just
Speaker 1: the ones that say, you know, oh, well they're Christian men, well,
Speaker 1: all their practices, all their rituals and stuff, say otherwise.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I know everybody's seen that painting
Speaker 1: of George Washington with that white apron on with his
Speaker 1: with you know, finger up in the air holding that
Speaker 1: chisel or you know whatever. But it's that is complete
Speaker 1: contradictory of the Bible, because in Genesis, when God made
Speaker 1: for them coverings, right, that was their covering. Well, this
Speaker 1: white lamb skin apron they would wear was their covering.
Speaker 1: And they say, oh, it's biblical, you know this, This
Speaker 1: is as God gave Adam, you know, a skin covering.
Speaker 1: This is our skin covering to represent that. Well, the
Speaker 1: thing is they wear that because they reject Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ is your covering, He is your righteousness. They
Speaker 1: believe that that apron symbolized your war works. So all
Speaker 1: the good deeds that you yeah, you're a sinful person
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, but all the good deeds that
Speaker 1: you do is you're covering before God. And that's what
Speaker 1: they wore. They wore that because they are even buried
Speaker 1: in it, because they believe when they stand before the
Speaker 1: Great Architect, they have to have their covering on of
Speaker 1: all their good works and that's what's going to save them.
Speaker 1: But they're they're going to be they're gonna be very
Speaker 1: very surprised.
Speaker 2: Let's hope that people repent and come back to you know,
Speaker 2: as far as that goes. But speaking of Washington, I
Speaker 2: think it's I think that's another you know, you think
Speaker 2: about the founder of our country, someone who is revered
Speaker 2: so much when you think about, you know, think about
Speaker 2: the fourth of July, you know, George Washington. You know,
Speaker 2: it's we think of him as the father of our country.
Speaker 2: And you know, like you said, part of the Freemasons,
Speaker 2: one of those groups. There's not a lot And I
Speaker 2: wonder if we still had that Charles Thompson Original History,
Speaker 2: if what would be in there. But Washington went to
Speaker 2: an Episcopal church, right, I think this is this is
Speaker 2: kind of funny. However, Episcopal churches, I don't know, if
Speaker 2: you know much, they kneel a lot. Washington always refused
Speaker 2: to kneel. He would pray standing up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because his pastor recorded all this stuff in his
Speaker 1: diary that they have found.
Speaker 2: They did, and Washington would refuse to take communion. And
Speaker 2: when the when the priest or the minister came and
Speaker 2: confronted him about it, he stopped coming on communion Sundays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was crazy because he said and this
Speaker 1: they found this, I believe it was in this guy's journal.
Speaker 1: This pastor's journal he wrote about directly and said that
Speaker 1: he got to notice and that every day that they'd
Speaker 1: done communion, that he would get up and leave before
Speaker 1: sacrament was given out, but he would leave his wife
Speaker 1: behind and he would take the horse and buggy and
Speaker 1: go home and then send the carriage back for his wife.
Speaker 1: So his wife was a believer, he wasn't, and he
Speaker 1: would always leave and then send the buggy back for
Speaker 1: his wife. So then that pastor confronted him, and the
Speaker 1: pastor wrote in his journal that he agreed with him.
Speaker 1: He said, yes, you're right, I need to set a
Speaker 1: better example. Fathers, thank you for you know, correcting me.
Speaker 1: But then he just stopped showing up when they don't communion,
Speaker 1: so he didn't have to stand up and walk out.
Speaker 1: It's like he had to give off the appearance of
Speaker 1: being a Christian. Well say, at the same time, like
Speaker 1: I was telling you that that is a history show
Speaker 1: about the revolution that we've been watching. It says that
Speaker 1: you know, you always heard that that Washington didn't want
Speaker 1: to be the general and he didn't want to be
Speaker 1: the president. They said that he would pretend that he
Speaker 1: didn't want it. So that he would get it, but
Speaker 1: in reality he craved it. So it goes on top.
Speaker 1: You know, he was not he was not a Christian
Speaker 1: man by no means, I would say, manipulating and everything.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to know what was in And you know,
Speaker 2: you always hope that at the end that someone comes
Speaker 2: to their realization. I hope when we get to Heaven
Speaker 2: that every one of them standing there with us. We
Speaker 2: just we don't know where. All we can do is
Speaker 2: kind of speculate off what we've seen. But I will
Speaker 2: tell you when you look at some of the direct quotes,
Speaker 2: and we haven't even gotten into a lot of the
Speaker 2: Jefferson ones yet, and there is Jefferson was pretty ruthless
Speaker 2: along the same lines as Thomas Payne was in his UH.
Speaker 2: In his UH views on the Bible, the point where
Speaker 2: he wrote his own Bible justin if you want to
Speaker 2: go into that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one thing a lot of people you want
Speaker 1: to talk about. They say, well, well, Jefferson was a Christian,
Speaker 1: he had He even wrote his own Bible, the Jefferson Bible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did. But if you take the time to look
Speaker 1: into that Bible, there's something really peculiar about that Bible.
Speaker 1: Every single supernatural thing that Jesus done is removed from it.
Speaker 2: Everything that was against reason that he thought he could
Speaker 2: reason out in his mind, what was good, that was possible,
Speaker 2: virgin birth gone, any miracle gone. Everything was cut out.
Speaker 2: And he actually kept the Bible to himself for a while, actually,
Speaker 2: I think the majority of his life, because he he
Speaker 2: didn't want I can't remember how they exactly said it,
Speaker 2: but thinking about the blasphem like that, he condemned for
Speaker 2: what he had what he had done. Yeah, but he
Speaker 2: actually originally called it The Life and Morals of Jesus
Speaker 2: of Nazareth is what his Bible was originally called. And
Speaker 2: his a good quote that he had kind of referring
Speaker 2: to this, this is the greatest of all the reformers
Speaker 2: of the depraved religion of his own country, was Jesus
Speaker 2: of Nazareth, abstracting what is really from his I'm sorry
Speaker 2: it was really his. From this rubbish in which it
Speaker 2: is buried, is easily distinguished by its luster from the
Speaker 2: dross of his biographers, and separable as the diamond from
Speaker 2: the dunghill. I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was a letter to William Short October
Speaker 1: thirty first, eighteen.
Speaker 2: Nineteen, exactly, and that he just said that we're taking
Speaker 2: what we want. We're going to look at the Bible
Speaker 2: and take what we want out of it. We're gonna
Speaker 2: to take that Jesus, you know what. He did the
Speaker 2: right thing. He stood up against the wrong people. He
Speaker 2: did this. But the writers made all that stuff up
Speaker 2: about the miracles. The writers made all that stuff up
Speaker 2: about the virgin birth. We're just gonna take that out.
Speaker 1: It's easy to separate the diamonds from the dung heel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, bull crap. That's what he was saying, exactly.
Speaker 2: And actually he wrote something similar. I think it was
Speaker 2: the William or not was William Shore. It was where
Speaker 2: he wrote the same thing. I don't think I actually
Speaker 2: wrote that quote down where he's used that same quote
Speaker 2: in the same exact thing, the diamond to a Dunghill
Speaker 2: in another letter that he wrote to someone else as well.
Speaker 2: I can't It might have been John Adams that he
Speaker 2: wrote that to, and I thought that.
Speaker 1: Was so this is just not our assumptions. This is
Speaker 1: well documented, well documented. And since we're on the subject
Speaker 1: of Thomas Jeffson, I wanted to share the letter that
Speaker 1: he wrote to his nephew while he was in college.
Speaker 1: Here it says, to his nephew going to college, he wrote,
Speaker 1: you will next read the New Testament, a history of
Speaker 1: a personage called Jesus. Keeping your eye the opposite pretensions.
Speaker 1: I of those who say he was begotten by God,
Speaker 1: born of virgin, suspended and reversed the laws of nature
Speaker 1: at will, and ascended bodily into heaven. And two of
Speaker 1: those who say he was a man of intelligence, of
Speaker 1: illegitimate birth, who set out without pretensions to divinity, ended
Speaker 1: in believing them, and was punished capitally for sedition by
Speaker 1: being gibbeted according to the Roman law. These questions are
Speaker 1: examined in the books that I have mentioned. They will
Speaker 1: assist you in your inquiries, but keep your reasons firmly,
Speaker 1: firmly on the wilds in reading them all. I mean,
Speaker 1: if that ain't blasphemy, yeah, I mean, I mean it's
Speaker 1: just if you if you read, you read the whole Bible,
Speaker 1: you have the whole, the whole Testament pointing towards them, right,
Speaker 1: I don't. And that's what all these guys it was.
Speaker 1: It all went back to reason, you know. Uh. The
Speaker 1: Georgia Godstones. You know that was recently just destroyed. You know,
Speaker 1: this was echoes from the enlightened period. You know, it
Speaker 1: was basically the Ten Commandments of the n w O.
Speaker 1: You know. Let these be godstones to an age of
Speaker 1: reason written on their base, you know, Jefferson said, but
Speaker 1: we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of
Speaker 1: thought in the United States will do away with all
Speaker 1: of these artificial foldings and restore to us the primitive
Speaker 1: and genuine doctrines. I'm about getting rid of Christianity. I
Speaker 1: I don't understand. So, I mean, I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: talking about like the reason just just in their mind
Speaker 1: they're reasoning whatever. So you're telling me, Yeah, I'm talking
Speaker 1: to Jefferson and all of them. You know, you're telling
Speaker 1: me that God created all this stuff, but yet he
Speaker 1: cannot manipulate it. He's I mean, that would be kind
Speaker 1: of detached.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: I understand that. But that would be like that'd be
Speaker 1: like a I'm the builder and I built this house,
Speaker 1: you live in it, but I never come back to
Speaker 1: fix anything. Yeah, I don't you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like what you got you got too bad. If
Speaker 1: the roof starts leaking.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think I think here's a here's a good
Speaker 2: quote going from John Adams that kind of refers a
Speaker 2: little bit to that down that path a little bit
Speaker 2: says the Europeans are all deeply tainted with prejudices they
Speaker 2: can never get rid of. They are all infected with
Speaker 2: creeds and confessions of faith. They all believe that the
Speaker 2: great Principle God, which has produced the boundless universe, came
Speaker 2: down to this little ball earth to be spit on
Speaker 2: by Jews until we can, or until the awful blasphemy
Speaker 2: is gotten rid of, there will never be any liberal
Speaker 2: science in the world. And that's a letter from John
Speaker 2: Adams to Thomas Jefferson. Just just they it's they were.
Speaker 2: They were you know the old the old saying birds
Speaker 2: of a feather flock together. I mean, it's the true story.
Speaker 2: I mean it is they all they all had. And
Speaker 2: like you said, we we can say that maybe certain
Speaker 2: ones were part of a certain organization, not other ones
Speaker 2: were whatever. But you know what, if you surround yourself,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing if and don't mean this in
Speaker 2: a negative light, however, you know, but to say, you know,
Speaker 2: I surround myself with good Christian people, I'm more likely
Speaker 2: to be drawn to that lifestyle. If I surround myself
Speaker 2: with drug dealers, I'm more likely to become a drug dealer.
Speaker 2: I mean if I So. The more you're around a
Speaker 2: certain set of ideals and ideologies that you allow to
Speaker 2: infect your mind, infect your couch, infect your soul, you're
Speaker 2: more likely to start finding reason in those. And I
Speaker 2: don't use the word reason lightly when we're talking about this,
Speaker 2: you fall down the rabbit hole. And it's something that
Speaker 2: we see in society today. You're trying to see everybody
Speaker 2: use their own reason to make sense of society, and
Speaker 2: and and why this is okay, Why that's okay? It reason.
Speaker 2: We're using our human reason. We're not using God's reason
Speaker 2: that goes beyond all human understanding. We're using our reason.
Speaker 2: And it makes absolutely no sense when we use our
Speaker 2: sinful reason to try to make sense of this world.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work. It doesn't work well.
Speaker 1: It goes back to like I was talking earlier about
Speaker 1: the atheist. If they're all like minded, why are they
Speaker 1: beating a dead horse? There's something telling them, something's hitting
Speaker 1: at them, you know what I'm saying, Like if if
Speaker 1: they're both like minded, why are they why are they
Speaker 1: trying to if.
Speaker 2: He's in six twelve, that's why you know, we fight,
Speaker 2: not tramp flesh y.
Speaker 1: And as you say, backing it up, how this spread
Speaker 1: like the tentacles of an octopus, goes back to the Illuminati,
Speaker 1: the enlightened ones. When you look into them, it says
Speaker 1: the goal was to gather like minded people and exalt
Speaker 1: them to government office and spread their influence and ideas
Speaker 1: around the world. The Illuminati was established the same year
Speaker 1: as the American Revolution. This date is on the bottom
Speaker 1: of the Great Seal and at the base of the
Speaker 1: All Singee Pyramid. Many founding fathers were known Freemasons. The
Speaker 1: Illuminati was a cornerstone of America. The Illuminati wanted out
Speaker 1: from under the monarch and the church, and they had
Speaker 1: three main goals. One separation of church and state, number
Speaker 1: two controls of the power of state or government, and
Speaker 1: three emancipation of women slash all peoples. So look at
Speaker 1: America today. They got what they wanted. Oh yeah. Thomas
Speaker 1: Paine wrote the tracks for George Washington. Thomas Paine had
Speaker 1: connections with the Illuminati. Ben Franklin brought pain to England.
Speaker 1: Franklin was involved with numerous secret societies in America and Europe.
Speaker 1: Franklin was the master of the Lodge in Paris, which
Speaker 1: was the epicenter of the Illuminati activity. It's the lodge
Speaker 1: is called the Nine Sisters, you know. He was also
Speaker 1: that book that I mentioned earlier, Fire in the Minds
Speaker 1: of Men by James Billington, wrote that Paine lived in
Speaker 1: a menage Trois with Nicholas Bonneville and his wife in
Speaker 1: seventeen ninety seven to eighteen oh two. Bonneville was directly
Speaker 1: involved with the Bavarian Illuminati and was the channel of
Speaker 1: influence to Pain. Know, direct connection to the Illuminati, and Pain,
Speaker 1: who inspired the revolution, wrote tracks for George Washington, his
Speaker 1: best friend, and with many other founding fathers. You know.
Speaker 1: Pain even wrote about the origin of Freemasonry like he
Speaker 1: had firsthand knowledge. It's highly debated that he was a member,
Speaker 1: but all signs point that he was, you know. There
Speaker 1: was even lodge is named after Pain, you know, so
Speaker 1: even if he wasn't a direct member, a direct influence
Speaker 1: in friends, it's the ideals.
Speaker 2: We go back again to the ideals. What were everybody
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish. You don't have to be members of
Speaker 2: a club to all have the same ideas. But I
Speaker 2: guess let's let's jump a little further down the down
Speaker 2: the Finding Father's line to the Ben Franklin. I got
Speaker 2: a feeling that you want to hit that.
Speaker 1: Up definitely, and you hint it on it. Go ahead. Well,
Speaker 1: there's I'll stay well known freemason here, no dispute here.
Speaker 2: No dispute. And well and he, like you said, he
Speaker 2: was the master of two different town lived.
Speaker 1: Well, he also lived two different lives because first in
Speaker 1: England at least he was he was on the inside,
Speaker 1: and then he got kicked out, which is why he
Speaker 1: went to America. Well, he just like the Founding Father said,
Speaker 1: they wanted out from underneath the monarch of the church
Speaker 1: because the church, you know, in their eyes, bonded free thinkers,
Speaker 1: and you know, they wanted out from underneath their wing.
Speaker 1: That way they could practice what they wanted to practice
Speaker 1: and do what they wanted to do. That was the
Speaker 1: number one goal.
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me start with a quote when
Speaker 2: when he was asked about Jesus as far as the
Speaker 2: as far as the divinity of Jesus, he says I
Speaker 2: think the system of morals and his religion as he
Speaker 2: left them to us the best the world ever saw
Speaker 2: or is likely to see. But I apprehend it has
Speaker 2: received various corrupt changes, and I have with most of
Speaker 2: the present dissenters in England some doubts as to his divinity.
Speaker 2: And I think that that leads us right into a
Speaker 2: good Bible verse. Actually, I think this one was on
Speaker 2: the documentary kind of referring to this same exact incident.
Speaker 2: But in the last days, perilous times shall come for
Speaker 2: men shall be lovers of themselves, having a form of godliness,
Speaker 2: but denying the power thereof and that two Timothy three, one,
Speaker 2: two and five there. And I think that you just
Speaker 2: see that taking the divinity out, taking Jesus out of
Speaker 2: the religion, trying to once again kind of replace that
Speaker 2: divinity with real and and over and over again. You
Speaker 2: see this with each of these founding fathers. And I mean,
Speaker 2: we're not going to hit everybody tonight, There's no possible way.
Speaker 2: It was that fifty two people that sign the Declaration independence,
Speaker 2: I think it was I don't have we don't have
Speaker 2: time to go through everybody. We're hitting, you know, the
Speaker 2: big name people, but their ideas were the same. Their
Speaker 2: their their ideology. When you talk about, oh, there's God, yep, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the Bible's there. Jesus was a great guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's it, that's it, and you know what's the what's
Speaker 2: the uh? Anytime you can, you know, just take that
Speaker 2: little bit of truth out. Remember how we always talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, the way, the way uh Satan shows himself
Speaker 2: or the way the Antichrist will show himself is is
Speaker 2: he will appear like, oh, Jesus is great, but he's
Speaker 2: going to change the truth enough that he'll corrupt it
Speaker 2: and just enough well, and this is taken a little
Speaker 2: too far, taking all the divinity out. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious, but it's something that we need to be
Speaker 2: on the watch for in our society today. When you
Speaker 2: see these things. As soon as someone I don't care
Speaker 2: if it's a pastor, I don't care, if it's a president,
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's a leader of some secret society.
Speaker 2: As soon as they take God's word and they pervert
Speaker 2: it in some way or another where they take Jesus
Speaker 2: out of the focus, they take God, they take Jesus
Speaker 2: divinity Jesus born of the virgin birth, Jesus being our salvation.
Speaker 2: They take that out, then you can see who's really
Speaker 2: behind what they're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Franklin said, you know, original sin was as
Speaker 1: ridiculous as imputed righteousness. He's talking about Jesus, you know,
Speaker 1: and going back to the you know, the the lambskin
Speaker 1: thing that I had mentioned earlier. I knew about the
Speaker 1: lambskin and what they believed it was, but I never
Speaker 1: realized this till I seen this documentary. But you know,
Speaker 1: with that quote, you know, he's talking about the righteousness
Speaker 1: through Christ. You know, the Masons believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: their their covering was through works, not through belief, you know,
Speaker 1: of Christ. Yeah, that's part of getting in. You have to, yeah,
Speaker 1: do so much time community service and give so much
Speaker 1: food to the dead words. Yeah, but you know, it
Speaker 1: all goes back to the coverings of Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: You know. And but I didn't know this, but the
Speaker 1: original draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on
Speaker 1: a white lamb skin Masonic apron, the original draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Mormons and Masons are buried in their white aprons.
Speaker 1: It's their covering before God, you know, It's debated if
Speaker 1: Jefferson was a free Mason, but he he is depicted
Speaker 1: on a list of Masonic presidents given out by these
Speaker 1: Masonic lodges. You know, as we mentioned earlier, Franklin was
Speaker 1: the master of the lodge in Philadelphia and Paris. In England,
Speaker 1: he was a member of the hell Fire Club, which
Speaker 1: was a secret society originally known as the Monks of
Speaker 1: Minton Mentenham Abbey openly mocked other religions with sex orgies
Speaker 1: and Satanic rites and sacrifices. And above the door, this
Speaker 1: is the most interesting thing. Above the door of that lodge, said,
Speaker 1: do as that wilt the famous quote of Aleister Crowley,
Speaker 1: who was a known Mason.
Speaker 2: And also Satanists. Sure, I mean, that's a whole other
Speaker 2: episode for a whole nother time, because Aleister Crowley, and
Speaker 2: I told Ben, you actually were with me when I.
Speaker 1: You accidentally bought one of them.
Speaker 2: I accidentally bought like a while a book of one
Speaker 2: of his followers, and that that was when I read it.
Speaker 2: It was something about the Book of Enoch, the Keys
Speaker 2: to the Book of Wisdom or something, and I just
Speaker 2: assumed it was something about the Book of Enoch, as
Speaker 2: far as you know, the apocryphal book, it was not
Speaker 2: and it was horrifying. And I read about a chapter
Speaker 2: and then I had I will tell you a dream
Speaker 2: that was. That was I would call it more of
Speaker 2: a vision, because I will tell you right now that
Speaker 2: was not. That was not a dream. That was. That
Speaker 2: was something that was brought on me from the evil
Speaker 2: of that book. And I know that sounds if you've
Speaker 2: never had something like that happen or never been around it,
Speaker 2: I know that sounds crazy, but I will tell you,
Speaker 2: and I know there's people out there that are be like, yup,
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about, but I'll tell you
Speaker 2: I have never felt evil like that. When I read that,
Speaker 2: I read one chapter out of it or not chapter.
Speaker 2: I read one paragraph and it was talking about genetic
Speaker 2: manipulation and and the best way to you know, as
Speaker 2: far as like further further our human genetics and things
Speaker 2: of this nature. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure this
Speaker 2: isn't in the Book of Enoch. So uh, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Ben was with me when I burned that book.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he He's like, I got a book we
Speaker 1: need to burn bad.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you it's.
Speaker 1: It was like a it the covering looked like it
Speaker 1: could have been a Bible is about the It's probably
Speaker 1: thick as a Bible. Was a perverted one. Oh yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I mean it even kind of felt a little creepy.
Speaker 1: He's like he went to his building and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's in your building. He goes house.
Speaker 2: It was out in the shed. Yeah, and I and
Speaker 2: I literally I handed it and I showed it to you,
Speaker 2: and you went about to rea. I said, no, don't
Speaker 2: open it. I know, and I know.
Speaker 1: If you're outsucker burnt quick and if you've.
Speaker 2: Never if you've never had any experience like that where
Speaker 2: you can feel evil, thank the Lord that you haven't.
Speaker 1: But when it is there, you.
Speaker 2: Can feel the hand of it. Onya and I I
Speaker 2: can say that, and I can see that even in
Speaker 2: what we're talking about today. I know I got off
Speaker 2: base there a little bit with what we're talking about,
Speaker 2: but you can see that that same hand was on
Speaker 2: these men that was pushing their ideologies and pulling them
Speaker 2: away from from what you know that at the time
Speaker 2: would have been mostly Roman Catholicism at the time where
Speaker 2: they came from. But you can see that they were
Speaker 2: getting pulled away from that. They were straight away that
Speaker 2: that there was a lot of evil working on them.
Speaker 2: And we, like I've said a couple times already that
Speaker 2: Ephesian six twelve, we're not fighting against flesh and blood,
Speaker 2: but it's it gets intense, and I think that we
Speaker 2: just everybody needs to make sure that they know when
Speaker 2: when there's things or test all spirits, when there's things
Speaker 2: around you. You might I don't know. I can't. I
Speaker 2: can't keep going on.
Speaker 1: This justin we'll go into this Fabruary to live at
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. You touched on I.
Speaker 2: Touched well a little interesting that they were redoing Ben
Speaker 2: Franklin's house. They were kind of working on the foundation,
Speaker 2: and underneath the foundation they happen to find I think
Speaker 2: it was ten bodies, correct, and there was four adults
Speaker 2: and six children. They all looked like they had been
Speaker 2: dissected for lack of a better word, and burnt. And
Speaker 2: they dated the bodies back to the time that he
Speaker 2: would have been living in that house, Ben Ben Franklin.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it from there. You can speculate whatever
Speaker 2: you want, but that's a little creepy to say that
Speaker 2: there's and you know, we talk a lot about certain
Speaker 2: secret societies and things of that nature. And I'm not
Speaker 2: necessarily talking about not talking about masons, I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about anything. There could have been some other secrets. I
Speaker 2: could have been a little nat.
Speaker 1: When he was in England and when he was a
Speaker 1: member of the hell Fire Club, and the hell while
Speaker 1: Fire Club was known for their sexual rituals and satanic
Speaker 1: occult type stuff. You know. I mean, it's a good
Speaker 1: possibility that these were sacrifices that and he was a
Speaker 1: man of science that he brought home after they killed
Speaker 1: him to cut them open.
Speaker 2: And well he had a friend, didn't he have a
Speaker 2: friend that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Wilson Hewston. He was a friend of Franklin's
Speaker 1: that ran a medical school inside of his home. You know,
Speaker 1: the the newspaper that when they found this, you know,
Speaker 1: tried to you know, whitewash it and make being look
Speaker 1: as good as he could. But they claimed to you know,
Speaker 1: that the could have been you know, his bodies and
Speaker 1: cadavers and stuff like that. But it's like, even if
Speaker 1: they were, why would it be under your family? Why
Speaker 1: would you bury him under your house? Why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: give them proper burial?
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is too They speculated that it could
Speaker 2: have been the fact that you know, he was looking
Speaker 2: for cadavers to work on, and even he was a
Speaker 2: grave robber that went and took the bodies to look
Speaker 2: at him. But why if you already dug him up,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you take him back and put him where
Speaker 2: they were rather than putting him under your house to
Speaker 2: you know, indict you. But I know, and that's the
Speaker 2: thing is who knows, But we don't know for sure
Speaker 2: if that's if that's.
Speaker 1: Frank, it's not practice.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I would.
Speaker 1: I would say it's not good. Human practice is not
Speaker 1: too right. I mean, Christian or not, you don't buried
Speaker 1: bodies underneath thee else.
Speaker 2: You sure don't.
Speaker 1: But even I mean that's just reason. I mean, come on, guy,
Speaker 1: but even when you go into like just the architecture,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, a whole episode could be done
Speaker 1: on that. If you ever go to Washington d C. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: all of it. You got the whole d C. You know,
Speaker 1: the phallus you know the monument, Yeah, Washington Monument. Uh.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact numbers, but the total height
Speaker 1: of it, it's six hundred and sixty six feet. There's
Speaker 1: a so much of it standing above ground, so much
Speaker 1: of it below ground, which is a total of six
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six feet. It's documented, and it's a
Speaker 1: whole like Egyptian pagan theme because you see all those
Speaker 1: fallacies in Egypt, and if you look that that monument
Speaker 1: is lined up perfectly with the dome of the White
Speaker 1: House and what they would say, and it's documented in
Speaker 1: all the you know, the tablets and stuff of Egypt
Speaker 1: that when a new pharaoh was brought in, he was
Speaker 1: the embodiment of that God. That the chariot would ride
Speaker 1: to the temple at a certain time and they would
Speaker 1: have all these sacrifices and rituals to where they would
Speaker 1: call the spirit of the God to in dwell inside
Speaker 1: the pharaoh. So he was the embodiment possessed by this God.
Speaker 1: And all the times the stuff lined up to where
Speaker 1: the shadow of that phallus would enter the temple and
Speaker 1: it was domed like a woman's womb, So it's basically
Speaker 1: the God impregnating the womb of the temple where that
Speaker 1: God was, and then he would come out and boom,
Speaker 1: he was born, come out of the womb and he
Speaker 1: was God in the flesh and carnate, and they set
Speaker 1: up our capital this way. And Ben, you talked about
Speaker 1: this before we recorded. I've heard things about when the
Speaker 1: president takes his oath that there's actually like a demonic
Speaker 1: or whatever ritual in the basement right underneath where the
Speaker 1: ceremonies happening above, to do practically the same thing. So
Speaker 1: it's it's their right. They're taking the spirit of whatever
Speaker 1: out of the previous president and putting it into the
Speaker 1: president president.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm really happy about. When it's all over,
Speaker 2: I'll be in heaven. We'll have to worry about any
Speaker 2: of this nonsense, right, because this is terrifying.
Speaker 1: And all the buildings you got, all all them, their
Speaker 1: gods and goddesses, Jupiter, God of reason. Well they're saying,
Speaker 1: like all of d C is architecturally laid out. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like the overhead view, Yeah there's pentagrams. Crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I this stuff it does it's it's it's to me.
Speaker 1: It's to me.
Speaker 2: It's terrifying when you really think. And and like I said,
Speaker 2: this was something when Justin brought up that he wanted
Speaker 2: to look a little bit into the Founding Fathers. You know.
Speaker 2: My idea was, oh, there's probably a couple of bad
Speaker 2: eggs in the dozen, and then you start looking into
Speaker 2: it and I'm I'm struggling to find something. I'm struggling
Speaker 2: to find something positive, and it's it's just it's sad.
Speaker 2: But I guess that once again, this this is where
Speaker 2: we said before that you need to test all the spirits.
Speaker 2: You need to know, you need to know the truth
Speaker 2: and you but you need to look and you need
Speaker 2: to to You don't know thy an enemy. Right if
Speaker 2: we don't know who we're fighting against, we're already losing
Speaker 2: if we don't know. And and right now we are
Speaker 2: fighting that spiritual war are all around us. And I
Speaker 2: don't care what you're seeing, if it's a Canadian school teacher,
Speaker 2: if it's whatever else, it's trying to show themselves doing
Speaker 2: something just to prove a point, trying to to like
Speaker 2: basically turn God's creations into abominations. And we're seeing this everywhere,
Speaker 2: and we're seeing it become more and more accepted. And
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is is that those evil
Speaker 2: powers have never had as much control, I would say,
Speaker 2: since the flood as they do right now. And that's
Speaker 2: a little scary to think about, because what happened when
Speaker 2: they had that much power before?
Speaker 1: Oh, the flood happened.
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen next time?
Speaker 1: Fire? The a't gonna be flood, It's gonna be fire.
Speaker 1: And one thing when I was looking, you know, with
Speaker 1: Thomas Paine, you know, when he was on his deathbed,
Speaker 1: is that many Christian people went to his house and
Speaker 1: tried to witness to him and get him to recant
Speaker 1: all his blasphemous things he said against the Bible, Christianity
Speaker 1: in Christ and he kept refusing well, and his biographers
Speaker 1: wrote about him, and they said that, you know, there
Speaker 1: was two contradictory stories. One of the biographers said that
Speaker 1: he was so paranoid that he didn't want to be alone.
Speaker 1: He always had somebody with him at all times because
Speaker 1: he was paranoid because death was coming for him. And
Speaker 1: then the other biographer said, yes, he did always want
Speaker 1: somebody with him, but it was for a witness, and
Speaker 1: that he told the people with him, I got so
Speaker 1: many Christians coming to me and trying to get me
Speaker 1: to recant. I do not want to be left alone.
Speaker 1: That way, anybody can say that I had a deathbed
Speaker 1: confession or conversion. I'm holding fast. God is not real,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ is not real. I am the God of
Speaker 1: my own mind. And that shows you the just the
Speaker 1: anti Christ fears that he had and he and it's
Speaker 1: you know, he went on his deathbed holding fast to
Speaker 1: everything he said and written.
Speaker 2: Second, it's crazy Second John seven. I say this because
Speaker 2: many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ came and the real body such a person
Speaker 2: as a deceiver and an anti Christ. I tell you
Speaker 2: it is just it this whole thing really, like I said,
Speaker 2: it's it's really kind of demoralizing in a way. Just well, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: So I think that the thing is is always intent, right,
Speaker 2: I think it's always intent. The majority of people that
Speaker 2: are are that are Christian people in this country have
Speaker 2: good intent that we we do love this country because
Speaker 2: we're allowed to practice our religion. We're allowed to proclaim
Speaker 2: that God is above us, that Jesus saved us. We're
Speaker 2: allowed to do that. A lot of countries we can't
Speaker 2: do that in You're put to death for that. So
Speaker 2: I think that's all.
Speaker 1: Harm God.
Speaker 2: That is exactly what I was going to say, is
Speaker 2: that that that God takes something that's evil and turns
Speaker 2: it around for good. He takes and makes the best
Speaker 2: out of it. And he's given us a platform. And
Speaker 2: in most other countries we couldn't have this conversation and
Speaker 2: be able to put it out there. Where in this
Speaker 2: country we have a freedom of speech for now that
Speaker 2: we're able to to talk about these things, be able
Speaker 2: to profess our faith, talk about how much we love God.
Speaker 2: And you know, we're looking at a lot of this stuff,
Speaker 2: and we're looking at, you know, different people's input, but
Speaker 2: we're looking at a lot of things that are are
Speaker 2: are factual, that are there, that are quotes that are
Speaker 2: from individual letters written by these certain people. This is
Speaker 2: this is stuff that's true. This is out there. But
Speaker 2: in the end, we only have to answer for ourselves.
Speaker 2: Right in the end, what you say when you're in
Speaker 2: front of in front of Jesus, when when you get
Speaker 2: to heaven, you know what Jesus is gonna say to you, Ben,
Speaker 2: What's he gonna say to you? Well done, my good
Speaker 2: and faithful, My fellow says, squatch, No, well done, my
Speaker 2: good and faithful. He's not going to say that, Probably, No,
Speaker 2: he's gonna say trim that thing. My goodness, man, But
Speaker 2: that's the whole point. Yes, my good and faithful s
Speaker 2: are well done. And that's something that we need to
Speaker 2: focus on and put this evil behind us, because it's
Speaker 2: all around us all the time. We can't let it
Speaker 2: affect us. We can't let it affect our families. We
Speaker 2: can't let you think about us. I'm scared for our
Speaker 2: children in the way the world's going right now. I'm
Speaker 2: not I know where I'm at with God. Where are
Speaker 2: kids gonna be?
Speaker 1: Yep, that's true because there you know which we're homeschooling
Speaker 1: our kids.
Speaker 2: But and honestly, if there's one place where going to school,
Speaker 2: even public schools, okay, like here at Tennessee, and I
Speaker 2: don't know where anybody's listening, I love this, but my
Speaker 2: kids have been in a public school here and they
Speaker 2: have Nativity scenes at Christmas in the public school. You
Speaker 2: know what in Florida they might have They might have
Speaker 2: hung up by your toes if you did that, It's
Speaker 2: just you don't do that anywhere else. Tennessee and and
Speaker 2: some of the other Bible Belt states. We have such
Speaker 2: an advantage right now that we can still profess this
Speaker 2: that we can still talk about our faith that you're
Speaker 2: not subjected to a lot of the scrutiny that so
Speaker 2: many people are. But I I just I my blessings
Speaker 2: for that I count my I'm so glad we moved
Speaker 2: here with our kids for that reason and that reason alone.
Speaker 2: But and I kind of like you guys too.
Speaker 1: Which this study wouldn't be complete if we didn't touch
Speaker 1: on the origins of freemason. You know, the freemasonry. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, they say it's ancient. It
Speaker 1: dates back all the way to to you know, to Adam.
Speaker 1: You know, the atom was the first you know, alchemist
Speaker 1: slash freemason, you know what I mean. But it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that's kind of lost and it's
Speaker 1: open to speculation. But what they hold to and what they,
Speaker 1: you know, put forward to to everybody and tell you know,
Speaker 1: in the Masonic lodges, there's there's four pillars and it's
Speaker 1: mentioned that these represent the grand masters on which freemasonry
Speaker 1: was built. It goes back to King Solomon, harm the
Speaker 1: King of Tire, and the master builder Harem Habief, and
Speaker 1: it talks about when Solomon was building his temple. You
Speaker 1: know that he wrote to the king attire and asked
Speaker 1: for their best architects, you know, their best would you know,
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. Well, it briefly mentions
Speaker 1: this guy named a Beef or hub Beef. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you say it, but basically, in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: they believed that this guy was like a master of
Speaker 1: divine knowledge, that he knew all things that you know,
Speaker 1: that God or the angels or whatever had just gave
Speaker 1: all this information to just a select handful of people,
Speaker 1: and he was one of them. And he had four
Speaker 1: people that was basically his understudies. And you had to
Speaker 1: follow this you know, master for so long, and he
Speaker 1: would just, you know, as you were ready, give little
Speaker 1: bits of the knowledge to you. Well, these guys became
Speaker 1: jealous and wanted it now. So before the temple was finished,
Speaker 1: they kept begging him, you know, we were ready, Master,
Speaker 1: give us the knowledge, and he kept refusing, No, you're
Speaker 1: not ready, No, you're not ready. So these four guys
Speaker 1: devised a plan and entered in the four corners of
Speaker 1: the temple and surrounded him with weapons and threatened his
Speaker 1: life if he didn't divulge the secrets. And he didn't,
Speaker 1: and he was murdered. So this is basically Freemasonry's attempt
Speaker 1: to regather the lost knowledge of this grand master that
Speaker 1: was murdered, and all this symbology and stuff is in
Speaker 1: their temples today, so that they try to say it's biblical.
Speaker 1: There's nothing biblical. But this is a bunny trail. But
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting bunny trail. A lot of
Speaker 1: Freemasons practiced alchemy, and I never looked into that. I
Speaker 1: just know, when I think of alchemy, I think of
Speaker 1: rumble Stiltskin, you know, spinning straw into gold, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's basically all I knew. It was just some
Speaker 1: you know, crazy whack job guys that thought that they
Speaker 1: could turn lead or straw or all these other elements
Speaker 1: into gold. But as we were taking this deep dive,
Speaker 1: I bought a book on freemasonry, and right beside of it,
Speaker 1: you know, it was another book on alchemy, you know,
Speaker 1: the practice of the Freemasons, and I said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it'd probably be interesting. I'll just dive into it and
Speaker 1: check it out. And man, it was. It was interesting.
Speaker 1: There's so much more to it. But like you know,
Speaker 1: it's a practice of turning you know, lead or draws
Speaker 1: into gold, but a lot of them looked at it.
Speaker 1: You know, this was also a spiritual process. You know,
Speaker 1: the process was referred to as the great work. You know,
Speaker 1: the practitioner was refining and changing himself. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't need baptism or God once again, they were
Speaker 1: their own gods. Sir Isaac Newton, you know, practiced alchemy.
Speaker 1: You know, an a rap alchemist, al Hazen, invented the
Speaker 1: camera obscura. Alcoholic distillation, phosphorus, porcelain, and sodium nitrate were
Speaker 1: all products of alchemist's labs. Newton spoke of the art
Speaker 1: as concealing secrets that would be dangerous if the wrong hands.
Speaker 1: If in the wrong hand. Some believe he knew that
Speaker 1: it held the secrets to nuclear power. It's pretty wild stuff.
Speaker 1: But the goal was to produce something called the Philosopher's Stone.
Speaker 1: You know, we've heard that with you know, the Harry
Speaker 1: Potter series. You know that this stone had magical properties.
Speaker 1: You know. Writers Jacob Bosh, sorry if I got that wrong,
Speaker 1: but it was fifteen seventy five to sixteen twenty four
Speaker 1: was his lifespan, and Thomas Vaughan sixteen twenty one to
Speaker 1: sixteen sixty five equated the Philosopher's Stone with Christ and
Speaker 1: can be seen as mysteries as much as the alchemist.
Speaker 1: You know, it's whoever created the stone would gather much wealth,
Speaker 1: both physical and spiritual, and prolonged life. Astrology was always
Speaker 1: been important in alchemy. Spring was the best time to
Speaker 1: practice because it was the alignment of Ares and Taurus.
Speaker 1: It was said that this art came from Egypt. The
Speaker 1: name alchemy means art of the black land, you know, akaa,
Speaker 1: the black fertile soil from the Nile. And as I
Speaker 1: just went into this man, it was just so so wild.
Speaker 1: And this I think is a direct reference to the
Speaker 1: fallen angels and the teachings you know, from the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch. It screamed it out to me as I
Speaker 1: was reading it. It says, you know. The Dutch physician harm
Speaker 1: Bockhave which I mentioned earlier, who had a study of
Speaker 1: alchemy in the eighteenth century, believed that it meant a
Speaker 1: cult or mystery, seeing a duration from the Hebrew shah
Speaker 1: man or haaman, meaning mystery, something that was not to
Speaker 1: be revealed to the people at large, but treasured as
Speaker 1: a religious secret. You know, Tertullian writing in the late
Speaker 1: second century, tells how a race of giants were born
Speaker 1: to certain women who had relations with the race of
Speaker 1: fallen angels. They talked their wisdom to whoever asked. The
Speaker 1: books that held their secrets were called shima. Clement of
Speaker 1: Alexandria describes them as being masters of metallurgy, biology, magic,
Speaker 1: and astrology. Those are all the teachings that the fallen
Speaker 1: angels told. You know, even when we talked with Ryan Peterson,
Speaker 1: he talked about naming and his sons. What was the
Speaker 1: first things that they've become masters of? All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, they were metallurgists, in blacksmiths and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So I mean all this, I mean it lines up
Speaker 1: pretty much hand in glove. But you know, a few
Speaker 1: men are said to have created the Philosopher's Stone that
Speaker 1: actually completed the great work. One was named Nicholas Flamel.
Speaker 1: He was a French alchemist from thirteen thirty to fourteen seventeen.
Speaker 1: Says one night an angel came to him in a dream.
Speaker 1: It showed him a book, and before he could grab
Speaker 1: the book, the angel vanished. Later, in thirteen fifty seven,
Speaker 1: he found the book from his dream and bought it.
Speaker 1: It was written by Abraham elazi Are. It was on
Speaker 1: the turning metals into gold. He discovered a code hidden
Speaker 1: in its pages. Mail had an ancient Cabalist text thought
Speaker 1: to have been lost forever. Friday the seventeenth of January
Speaker 1: thirteen eighty two, he created the Philosopher's Stone. Over the
Speaker 1: next fifteen years, he acquired huge wealth. He funded fourteen
Speaker 1: hospitals in Paris alone, and he gave substantial donations to
Speaker 1: seven churches. And let's see, bo I can't read the
Speaker 1: name of the town. I'm sorry, my handwriting's awful, but yeah,
Speaker 1: in his town he donated the seven churches. In March
Speaker 1: of fourteen seventeen he died. A mob b louted his
Speaker 1: house searching for the stone or his writings on how
Speaker 1: to create it. They found nothing. They even dug up
Speaker 1: his body to see if he was buried with it.
Speaker 1: The grave was said to be empty. They were said
Speaker 1: to have fled to India and were spotted around seventeen
Speaker 1: hundred and also in Paris in seventeen sixty one. One.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that all you know, quote unquote genuine alchemist
Speaker 1: lived on average twice as long as the average span.
Speaker 1: Jabbar was in his mid nineties, Albert Magnus eighty seven,
Speaker 1: Roger Beacon eighty, Isaac Newton eighty four, and Fulsounni was
Speaker 1: also over one hundred. It's pretty wild stuff, these stories.
Speaker 1: Another one was John Frederick Helvetas. December the twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: sixteen sixty six, a stranger came to his house in
Speaker 1: the Hague. The man introduced himself as a brass founder
Speaker 1: named alias. The stranger produced three small yellow stones from
Speaker 1: an ivory box, and he told Helvitus these were philosopher's stones.
Speaker 1: Helvidas asked if he could do a transmutation, and the
Speaker 1: man declined, saying that the time was not right. Three
Speaker 1: weeks later he returned and gave him one of the stones,
Speaker 1: but not before cutting it in half and throwing the
Speaker 1: other into the fire. Helvitus commented on its small size,
Speaker 1: but was told that half the size of a walnut
Speaker 1: was more than enough. He heeded some of the lead
Speaker 1: and added a piece of stone. The lead became gold.
Speaker 1: He took it to the goldsmith, who said that it
Speaker 1: was the finest gold he had ever tested. He never
Speaker 1: saw the stranger again. You know another fallen angel kind
Speaker 1: of encounter.
Speaker 2: Well, we talk about that, that forbidden technology all the time,
Speaker 2: and that search for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just wild to think about. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I never read into this stuff, and it
Speaker 1: was just like from a biblical lens. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen what it was.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the crazy part. You look at some
Speaker 2: man of these things. I've been reading the book, a
Speaker 2: gram Handcock book, and it kind of goes down some
Speaker 2: of these same, these same rabbit holes. But it just
Speaker 2: blows me away. He such a smart guy can take
Speaker 2: God out of the equation. If you just put God
Speaker 2: in it, it gives you all the answers. It just
Speaker 2: shows you. It shows you the whole picture, but just
Speaker 2: can't quite get there.
Speaker 1: But it says it's almost like these strangers approached these
Speaker 1: men to warn them of dangers of intellectual and scientific
Speaker 1: changes that Europe was experiencing at that time. In furthering
Speaker 1: science and technology at the expense of all else, humanity
Speaker 1: would become dangerously and unbalanced. Though obsessive attachment to the
Speaker 1: left brain values as materialism rationality, human beings would lose
Speaker 1: sight of their divine origins. Something alchemy could help restore
Speaker 1: if not forgotten. And that was a quote quote from
Speaker 1: that book, you know. But another thing, gunpowder was a
Speaker 1: discovery from Chinese alchemy. But what was really interesting, now
Speaker 1: this ties in and now the book don't make this,
Speaker 1: you know connection, but but I kind of made this
Speaker 1: connection was Indian alchemy. Well, with Indian alchemy. Shiva is
Speaker 1: important to Indian alchemy. She is the mother the alchemist
Speaker 1: works upon. And it is said to uh be ah
Speaker 1: part park parkika. I'm sorry, I can't pronounce some of
Speaker 1: these words that well, but uh, prim which it means
Speaker 1: primordial matter, dark matter. I'm thin concerned here. Shiva is
Speaker 1: that they got a statue of a right outside. They're
Speaker 1: trying to discover dark matter. Okay. It says this is
Speaker 1: a matter which all things are made. It is the
Speaker 1: physical manifestation of the goddess herself to understand the great work,
Speaker 1: you know, which was alchemy, was to work with the
Speaker 1: process of nature and feminine forces and to become one
Speaker 1: with them. This is the ultimate spiritual union of opposites
Speaker 1: through physical union of lovers, the union which mercury was.
Speaker 1: The ego is finally killed, enabling the alchemists to achieve
Speaker 1: the highest form of freedom. The you know, the hydrogen collider,
Speaker 1: what does it do? It collides two opposite things, uniting them.
Speaker 1: It's like that's uh, I mean, it's discerned modern day
Speaker 1: alchemy m hm. And it's crazy to think about. And
Speaker 1: the whole Indian alchemy it's it's a whole spiritual thing.
Speaker 1: And I know I can go with this for a while,
Speaker 1: but I'll end with this on on the alchemy stuff.
Speaker 1: Carl Jung, you know, he had he spoke on spiritual alchemy.
Speaker 1: And this was not a religious man by no means.
Speaker 1: He spoke out against you know, Christianity and stuff. But
Speaker 1: he says the Opus magnum had two aims to rescue
Speaker 1: the human soul and salvation of the cosmos. Therefore it
Speaker 1: was psychological. He became counseled that the nigero or initial
Speaker 1: black chaotic stage of the work was in fact the unconsciousness,
Speaker 1: and that's what they call the first stage when you're
Speaker 1: messing with the raw materials. So he believed, you know,
Speaker 1: it was dealing with the subconsciousness. And it says the
Speaker 1: stages were psychological processes that marked growth of a personality
Speaker 1: into balanced maturity. The first stage, matter is cooked. This
Speaker 1: is a personal crisis that threatens to destroy the personality.
Speaker 1: It must be destroyed voluntarily. This surrender of ego is
Speaker 1: vital to be successful. The alchemist needs to be humble
Speaker 1: and ego free. Later stages of the work is self purification.
Speaker 1: This corresponds with albedo, or the whitening of the matter.
Speaker 1: By continuing the work, they are grounded once again. And
Speaker 1: then the final stage is the complete integration and acceptance
Speaker 1: of the person's experience and personality Jung held. We all
Speaker 1: go through these processes many times throughout our lives. Alchemists
Speaker 1: have always known that quantum physics are now just realizing
Speaker 1: our state of mind directly influences our surroundings and helps
Speaker 1: create them. The final stage is up to the individual.
Speaker 1: It takes one's knowledge a step further to consciously marry
Speaker 1: the desperate elements of one's experiences and wield them together
Speaker 1: in a complementary whole, to transmute into the living philosopher's stone.
Speaker 1: Then the great work is done. We are redeemed and ourselves,
Speaker 1: and in the process, redeem the cosmos. Alchemists agree with
Speaker 1: the Hebrew proverb he who saves one life saves the
Speaker 1: entire world.
Speaker 2: M that sounds like a book I'm at to borrow.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's wild, but it shows you once again,
Speaker 1: this is something the Freemasons believed and they practiced because
Speaker 1: it was something that they didn't need God. They themselves
Speaker 1: became God's through their own willpower and magic. These these
Speaker 1: were the the founding fathers of America.
Speaker 2: Just going through this and it's just been one of
Speaker 2: those things where you know, every time we do something
Speaker 2: where we do a deep dive and we really research something,
Speaker 2: you know, we give ourselves a couple of weeks to
Speaker 2: really dig into something. You know, I always learned something.
Speaker 2: You always pull some you know, we always see the nuggets, right,
Speaker 2: You always pull those nuggets out and you something new
Speaker 2: and you find something that relates, and so you know,
Speaker 2: you have those little aha moments. This is one of
Speaker 2: those things when we you know, justin brought this up.
Speaker 2: Like I said before, is that I wasn't ready for
Speaker 2: this rabbit hole. There's just more here than I ever thought,
Speaker 2: and it blows my mind. And it's one of those
Speaker 2: things where we really we really just need to understand
Speaker 2: our own personal relationship with God. We need to not
Speaker 2: let others influence it, especially when you can look around
Speaker 2: and see people that you know, we believe our godly,
Speaker 2: we believe we're following the right people. We believe we're
Speaker 2: we're diving into these things that are are potentially positive.
Speaker 2: But if God's not there, if God's not there, you know,
Speaker 2: it's I don't know this. This one was a hard one
Speaker 2: for me to get through because it actually really bothered me.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest to find out a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm well anyway, thank you everybody for tuning in and listening,
Speaker 2: and uh sorry for ending on such a sour note,
Speaker 2: but ing Christ is King and we'll talk to you
Speaker 2: again next time.
Speaker 1: See you true, I'm sorry, just to see fin We'll
Speaker 1: be off to you same. Well y