WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence and they would dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Happen? What are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.439 enough out here. Look, I'm ne the window now and 34 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:08.800 I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside right, Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.719 hit the buddy out here? What quin I'm out there? 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.319 I thought of a menu of about second nine. I 37 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:20.639 don't know. Easy announce there. Yeah, I'm walking right heady. 38 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.240 As promised. I am still traveling. This is the interview 39 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.080 that I told you about on Wednesday that I did 40 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:36.039 over on Apocalyptic Anomalies. I sat down and talked to Abner, 41 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.800 had a really great conversation again. Talked about some things 42 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:40.759 I don't normally get into and interviews. I think you 43 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.280 guys will really enjoy it, so let's keep this intro 44 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:45.400 short and sweet. All that's left for you to do 45 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:48.120 is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. 46 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.000 All right, guys, welcome to Apocalyptic Anomalies. Today on the show, 47 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.159 we have Brian. I've read in the book that you 48 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.120 were in law force. How long were you in law 49 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.039 enforcement and did you experience anything supernatural during your career 50 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:05.879 in law enforcement? 51 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.719 A total of sixteen years in law enforcement. People have 52 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.719 asked me that in the past. I know some police officers. 53 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.599 I just literally posted a show today on one of 54 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.080 our podcasts, Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where I read stories about 55 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.439 people's encounters that don't necessarily want to come on to 56 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.120 do an interview. I've done a two part series about 57 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:30.000 law enforcement officers who experience encounters with mostly bigfoot. I 58 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.639 was a city of Atlanta cops. It was very urban. 59 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:34.719 There wasn't a whole lot of bigfoot in the middle 60 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.680 of Atlanta's I know other officers have had those kind 61 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.479 of situations in the past. Other shows have done stories 62 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:45.039 about officers having encounters with bigfoot, dog man, even ghost. 63 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:45.240 No. 64 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.759 I didn't have any as a police officer. I had 65 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.759 some pretty supernatural experiences with people, but it was all 66 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:54.120 people related. It's nothing krypted related or anything supernatural. 67 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.800 Now, well, I want to jump right into your experience. 68 00:03:58.080 --> 00:03:59.919 If you could please share your experience that you have, 69 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.199 cause I read a little bit about it in your book. 70 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:04.439 I got up to chapter five, so I still got 71 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.360 to finish the book. May I read a little bit 72 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.319 about your experience in the book, if you could please 73 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.879 share with the audience in detail your experience with the 74 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:13.199 audience and with me as well. 75 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.040 A little bit of backstory that I don't really get 76 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.639 into in the book is some of the weird things 77 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.800 that were happening in that house we were living in, 78 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.720 because there was some supernatural things going on there. I 79 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.639 say that because I think it's important to lay that baseline, 80 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.240 because I've been asked on other shows. I was a 81 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:33.079 guest on a podcast a couple of years ago, and 82 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.000 somebody asked me, do you think it was something other 83 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:38.519 than bigfoot that you might have experienced in the woods. 84 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.639 I'd like to start there and sort of lay the foundation. 85 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.319 We moved into this house, and we were in a 86 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.079 really small town. And when I say small town, I 87 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:47.839 don't even think the town had a caution light. 88 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:48.480 It was that small. 89 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.600 I think it was like a full way stop, and 90 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.600 everybody knew everybody. Before we moved into this house, the 91 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.160 gentleman who owned it, we were renting it from him. 92 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.360 His two sons had lived there before us. There was 93 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.439 a lot of us about some of the things that 94 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:07.160 they were into. They were supposedly into devil worship, demonic activity, 95 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.800 and those kind of things. When we moved into the house, initially, 96 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.240 the first thing I did was go outside. I'd never 97 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.439 had any kind of land to roam on, and this 98 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.399 house had tons of property around it. So we didn't 99 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.120 own it, but we had access to it because we 100 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.959 rented this place from this gentleman. So I stayed out 101 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.040 in the woods and there was this really cool creek 102 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:27.759 area that I would go to with a bunch of 103 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.399 rock water running through the rocks. It's kind of hard 104 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.279 to explain. It wasn't like creek rock. It was solid 105 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.160 rock foundations and formations that this water was run into. 106 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:39.560 I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. 107 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.040 But there were some weird things that I found in 108 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.759 and around the water. They looked like they were man 109 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.920 made bowls and weird spoons. 110 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:48.240 And other things. 111 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.839 I found some things that looked like they were possibly 112 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.600 I don't know, made out of cow skulls and things 113 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.079 like that that as a kid, I thought there were 114 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.439 cows in that area. I thought maybe it just naturally 115 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.079 died head. But in retrospect, knowing what I know now, 116 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:05.439 it was probably something that a person had placed there. 117 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.399 I found that a little peculiar. But like I said, 118 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.199 eleven or twelve years old, you don't really think about 119 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:12.879 those things. The real things that started happening inside the 120 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.680 house were what really let me know that something was 121 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.399 going on. I started hearing voices in the house. I 122 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.079 would have this weird feeling that I was being watched. 123 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.759 When I was in the house, I would hear scratching. 124 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:26.759 I was waking up a lot of times, I mean 125 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:28.839 maybe six or eight times over the course of a 126 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.360 couple of years, I would wake up to this dark 127 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:33.560 figure standing at the foot of my bed, to the 128 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:34.720 point where I wouldn't. 129 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:35.240 Stay in my own room. 130 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:37.240 I would take a blanket and I would end up 131 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:39.600 sleeping at the foot of my mom and dad's bed 132 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:42.000 or somewhere on the floor in their room. Because I 133 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:44.839 was petrified to stay in my own room. I would 134 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.480 shower and I would keep my eyes open while I 135 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:49.680 was washing my face. It was that kind of scared. 136 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.720 I was always felt like there was a presence there. 137 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.959 So that's what really started in the house. And then 138 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.720 I had this experience. I fancied myself was a little 139 00:06:57.759 --> 00:06:59.279 bit of a hunter, so I would go out and 140 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.439 score rabbit hunt. I was out in the woods as 141 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.199 I was normally out, and I went into this area 142 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.959 that I'd never been in one particular day, I had 143 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.040 this feeling. I just sort of ran into it. And 144 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.240 if you get into bigfoot encounters, like I've documented hundreds 145 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.040 of big foot encounters at this point on my show, 146 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.240 you'll have people have experiences where they feel like they've 147 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.720 hit a wall. They're walking along, everything's going okay, and 148 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.000 they just feel like they can't go any further. That's 149 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:25.439 kind of what happened to me. I felt like I 150 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.519 hit an invisible wall. The hair on the back of 151 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.800 my neck stood up, the hair on my arm stood up, 152 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.680 and I just had this feeling that I wasn't supposed 153 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.319 to be there, and that I needed to be somewhere else. 154 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.040 I needed to be getting out of the area, but 155 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.480 I was physically frozen, and I think I described it 156 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.600 in the book as I felt like my legs became 157 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.959 wooden stakes that were driven into the ground. I literally 158 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.839 could not move. I heard this. It was probably ten 159 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.160 twelve feet away from it. This was in North Georgia. 160 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.639 If you've been in the Carolinas or anywhere in the southeast. 161 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.959 I live in North Carolina now, but in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, 162 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.240 South Carolina, North Carolina. In the summertime, you can go 163 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:08.920 out into the woods and this place was thick with vegetation, 164 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:12.680 and just on the outskirts of my field of vision, 165 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.399 it's where I was hearing these noises. And it sounded 166 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:19.279 like something that was bipedal. It was walking on two legs. 167 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:23.279 It sounded huge, and I could hear it walking just 168 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.079 outside of where I could see it. At one point 169 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.920 I heard like this huffing sound, and I was petrified. 170 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:30.360 I had no. 171 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.120 Idea what it was. I knew what it was though 172 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.039 I knew enough about the woods, you know, it wasn't 173 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.000 a deer. I knew it wasn't a bear. We didn't 174 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.320 have bear in that area. And then I heard what 175 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.720 sounded like a bluff charge. Now, I didn't know what 176 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.759 a bluff charge was back then, but I've studied primates 177 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:49.039 and looked into gorillas. If you've ever seen videos a 178 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.759 silverback gorilla bluff charging people when they come into their area, 179 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.440 That's what it sounded like in the woods, about ten 180 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.600 or twelve feet away from me, and it would stop 181 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.840 just on the outskirts of where I could see this vegetation. 182 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.559 This happened a couple of times. It seemed like it 183 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.519 lasted forever. It was probably literally thirty or forty five seconds, 184 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.679 might have been a minute, maybe two minutes, and then 185 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.480 all of a sudden, fight or flight kicked in. I 186 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:19.960 switched from complete stuck in the ground, couldn't move, to flight. 187 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.200 Something clicked in my brain and said, you got to 188 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:23.039 get the hell out of here. 189 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:24.440 I turned around. 190 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.399 I ran as fast as I could, flat out run 191 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:30.519 through the woods, probably six eight hundred yards, however far 192 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.159 away it was from the house. I dove over the 193 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:35.399 fence and landed into what I thought was the safer 194 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.960 zone in the front yard of the house. It took 195 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.679 me a long time to go back in the woods 196 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.679 after that. Man, I was really concerned with what I 197 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:46.200 had encountered, never saw what it was. Still to this 198 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.440 day can't say what it was. I had no idea, 199 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.440 but it was something I'd never experienced before, and I 200 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:54.559 haven't experienced anything like that since. I've had a couple 201 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:57.960 of experiences since then that put me in a certain 202 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.919 place that was close to that, but nothing that close 203 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.639 those kind of experiences that scared me the way that 204 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.399 scared me. Fast forward to a couple of years ago. 205 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:08.080 I was a guest on the podcast and the guy 206 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.120 was into this demonic stuff, he was into the occult, 207 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.960 and he asked me, he said, have you ever considered 208 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.840 that what you experienced in the woods might not have 209 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.639 been sasquatch or Bigfoot? It might have been something that 210 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.759 followed you from the house into the woods. Maybe it 211 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.240 was whatever entity you were dealing with inside the house, 212 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.720 because that seems to be a common thing, according to him, 213 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.840 in some situations where people think they're experiences. And I 214 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.240 have talked to people in the past that claim to 215 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.879 have been experiencing what they believed to be Bigfoot, that 216 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.960 I believed that they were dealing with some sort of 217 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:44.240 an entity outside of Bigfoot because they never saw a creature. 218 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:46.600 Some of the things they were describing sounded very similar 219 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.480 to what I was dealing with in the house in 220 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:51.200 that experience. I don't know, man, it was just one 221 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.679 of those things where I grew up with stories in 222 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:57.440 that area of people talking about Bigfoot. My great grandparents 223 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:01.200 were talking about Bigfoot. I heard stories about gensng hunters 224 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:04.200 that were encountering Bigfoot at the time. I even talked 225 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:06.240 about in the very early chapters of the book, I 226 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.200 include one of the stories that I heard my grandparents 227 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.960 talk about. I discovered it just a couple of years 228 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.120 ago when I was doing some research for the podcast. 229 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.919 I looked in that area on a database that I 230 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:19.240 have access to, and there was a story from like 231 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:21.840 nineteen seventy seven that was just a few miles away 232 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.120 from my house from where some gensng hunters came into 233 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:27.919 contact with what I believe now to be Bigfoot. I've 234 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:32.000 always correlated that experience to a possible Bigfoot experience. Again, 235 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.039 I've never said it was I never will say, because 236 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.320 I didn't see it. Since that conversation a couple of 237 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.200 years ago, I've scratched my head and thought that maybe 238 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:42.440 it was something other than Bigfoot. But I definitely experienced 239 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:43.799 something I just can't explain. 240 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.919 What it was. Wow, that's amazing, man. 241 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:47.639 How long did it take you to go back into 242 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.000 the woods where you felt like, Okay, I feel like 243 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.320 I could go back into the woods kind of roll 244 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.600 around without feeling like a threat or something. How long 245 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.480 did that take you before you felt at ease about that. 246 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.080 It was months and months before I was able to 247 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.000 to even venture back into the safe places that I 248 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:05.919 had been before. The creek area that I was hanging 249 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.240 out in there was a big pine thicket that I 250 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:10.639 would play in. I had a fort and i'd climb 251 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:12.759 the trees there, and you could see it from the house. 252 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:15.639 So that's where I ventured to first. But it took 253 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:19.600 me a long time to get back into the woods 254 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.279 deeper than the cursory trip to the creek or into 255 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.799 this area that was visible from the middle of this 256 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.240 pasture outside of the front of the house. I don't 257 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.559 know that I ever felt comfortable while we. 258 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:32.000 Were living there. 259 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.440 We were only there for another two or three years. 260 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:36.240 I don't know that I was ever comfortable in the 261 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.159 woods there after that. I never had any other experiences 262 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.799 that were anything close to that, or anything that even 263 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.639 made me think that I was experiencing the same thing, 264 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.200 but it was difficult for me to ever be comfortable 265 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.399 going any deeper than just the cursory go into the 266 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:55.159 creek kind of thing. 267 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:56.240 But I've talked to. 268 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:59.879 So many people at this point that experience had grown 269 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.960 man who hunt. There's tons of people that I've talked 270 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:04.759 to you that have had experiences with what they believe 271 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.559 to be sasquatched or know to be if you ask them, 272 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.159 they know it is because they saw something that. Don't 273 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.600 go back in the woods after that. These are seasoned 274 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.039 hunters with high powered rifles, and they just refuse to 275 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.559 go back and go into these areas because they are 276 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.200 so afraid that they're going to run. 277 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:21.639 Into one of these creatures. 278 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.399 Yeah, in the book you described it. You were carrying 279 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.679 a BB gun, air rifle gun or something like that. 280 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:29.679 So I mean, if you encountered anything that's not going 281 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:30.759 to do much maybe. 282 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:33.159 Other than a bird or a small squirrel, I was screwed. 283 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:34.159 Yeah. 284 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.639 So I could definitely see, as eleven twelve years old 285 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.840 you being scared, and anybody would have been scared. Like 286 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:42.639 you said, grown men go into the woods and they 287 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:45.480 encountered these things for sure, and it's a very scary experience. 288 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:47.600 I'm just glad that you were brave enough to not 289 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.399 let that kind of not let you go back into 290 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.559 those woods after that, because a lot of people don't 291 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.159 go back after they encounter stuff like that. It gets 292 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.240 to the point where it traumatizes them in a way 293 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.679 and they just can't find the courage to go back. 294 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:01.440 So I'm I'm glad you're back out through that's great. 295 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:01.679 Man. 296 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.960 Just rewinding a little bit right when you were talking 297 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:08.679 about the dark figure in your room, how often would 298 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.919 that happen or was that just like a one time 299 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:12.279 deal when you saw that figure. 300 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:14.480 I'd say over the course of maybe two to three 301 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:18.559 years in that house, it probably happened five times that 302 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.000 I recall. And I've talked to people that I've tried 303 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.360 to find answers about that. Because I'm a very Okham's 304 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.240 Razor kind of guy, my cop brain always goes to 305 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:30.519 it's something other than the supernatural, right, I try to 306 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:34.159 find something that would make a reasonable person go, yeah, 307 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:37.360 this is probably what happened. I don't automatically jump to it, 308 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.279 oh it was a ghost or oh it was bigfoot. 309 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.240 That I'm not that guy so even in retrospect, looking 310 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.399 back at that situation, I've always tried to say, well, 311 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.240 maybe it was sleep paralysis. So I've talked to people 312 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.799 about sleep paralysis. I'm friends with a couple of clinical psychologists. 313 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.120 I've had conversations with him about it, and they say, now, 314 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.159 it doesn't sound like sleep paralysis that you were experiencing. 315 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:01.600 It sounds like something different. People say that it was 316 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.039 sleep paralysis because it was similar to that, because I 317 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.720 would wake up and I would be completely frozen. I 318 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:10.279 couldn't move, but I was awake. I could feel the sensations. 319 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:14.600 I remember feeling the fan on my face and hearing 320 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:17.519 the sound when this thing was standing over my bed. 321 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.080 I've even had people ask me, was it the shape 322 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.559 of a sasquatch? Could it have possibly been a sasquatch? 323 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:23.320 No, it was. 324 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.720 Definitely more like you would see in a horror movie today, 325 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.399 not necessarily like the Thin Man or something like that, 326 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.639 but just the outline of what looks like a head 327 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:36.679 and shoulders, and then it just kind of fades into darkness. 328 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.200 And I've described it in the past, and this is 329 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.759 the only way I can really describe it that would 330 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.039 maybe make sense to people. Is it's dark in my room. 331 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:48.519 It's darker than the dark. I don't even know if 332 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.279 that makes sense, but a lot. 333 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.919 Of people say that when they sees it, things like that, 334 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.720 it's darker than the black in the room, it's pitch 335 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.639 black and stucker, Well, go into that, man, Because I've 336 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.840 never experienced anything like That's why I'm very curious about that. 337 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.320 I've heard stories so blacker than black. Wow, It's like, 338 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:06.799 how can you describe that? 339 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.639 It's so difficult because when I get asked to talk 340 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.159 about this experience, which is rare because it's normally all 341 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:15.799 about bigfoot with me, Yeah, that's the only way I've 342 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.759 been able to describe it is being in a dark room. 343 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.440 It's almost like shades of black. If you're wearing a 344 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.159 black shirt. You're wearing a black shirt now, but you 345 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.720 could possibly have another piece of clothing on that might 346 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:31.200 be even darker than that, maybe a dark stone against 347 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.679 the black shirt, or it's just a slight maybe the 348 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.320 shirt is a little bit grayer than black, and then 349 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.519 something else is blacker. It's kind of that feeling or 350 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.440 that sensation that's what I saw, that's standing at the 351 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:46.480 foot of the bed, And of course even as. 352 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.000 We live out in the middle of nowhere. 353 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:50.639 We're on forty acres here in North Carolina, and there's 354 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.360 no light pollution at all, So if there's. 355 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.679 Not a lot of moonlight going on, it is really 356 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:56.840 dark when it's dark here. 357 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:01.000 Yeah, but you can see if something black, right, we 358 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.839 have black things like black planters and things outside you 359 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.240 can kind of see it. Then when you walk outside 360 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.200 you don't have any light, and then there's this black 361 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.119 planter that I know we have a tree, planet in 362 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:12.160 or something, so you. 363 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:12.839 Can kind of see that. 364 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.279 It's almost that sort of thing. It's blacker than the night. 365 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:18.680 But I don't know. 366 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.880 It's really hard to explain, especially when this thing's standing 367 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.160 at the foot of your bed and you don't have 368 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:24.839 any idea what it is. I know it's not a 369 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:27.119 planner with a tree in it, So I'm trying to 370 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:29.640 figure out in my twelve year old brain or what's 371 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.480 standing at my bed. Yes, because nobody's supposed to be 372 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.039 here but me. And then again, I've talked about it before. 373 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.079 I don't want to sound crazy, but I was hearing voiceless. 374 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:42.519 I was hearing voices at the same time. I can't 375 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:44.799 tell you what the voices were saying. And this wasn't 376 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.759 all the time, but when I would hear these things, 377 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.960 it would be at night typically, and sometimes I've even 378 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.720 heard it in the day in this house, but it 379 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:54.720 was mostly at night. 380 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.240 But it was always that long. 381 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.559 We really couldn't make out what was being said, but 382 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.559 somebody's or something talking, and that I would hear scratches 383 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:05.559 on the wall. It sounded like they were inside the 384 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.039 wall behind my bed, the back of the bed where 385 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:10.720 I would lay and the headrest would be up against 386 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.799 the wall, and the wall was an external wall. There 387 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.799 was nothing behind my bedroom, like the window faced out 388 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:20.359 to the outside. I was on the end of the house, 389 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.599 so there's not another room. My parents' room was across 390 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:27.039 the hall. In the room directly next to my bedroom 391 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:29.960 was the bathroom. It was only a two bedroom house. 392 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:31.039 It was a really small house. 393 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:31.920 Of course. 394 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.000 Again my mind goes to could it have been a 395 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:36.240 squirrel scratching on the wall? Could it have been an 396 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.680 animal scratching on the wall, or whatever the case may be. 397 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:41.880 I can't Ockham's razor it or away as much as 398 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.640 I would like to, other than saying I think there 399 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:47.240 was some really nefarious things going on. I didn't know 400 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.000 it at the time. I don't have a great relationship 401 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.079