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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Happen? What are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here. Look, I'm ne the window now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside right, Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the buddy out here? What quin I'm out there?
Speaker 2: I thought of a menu of about second nine. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Easy announce there. Yeah, I'm walking right heady.
Speaker 1: As promised. I am still traveling. This is the interview
Speaker 1: that I told you about on Wednesday that I did
Speaker 1: over on Apocalyptic Anomalies. I sat down and talked to Abner,
Speaker 1: had a really great conversation again. Talked about some things
Speaker 1: I don't normally get into and interviews. I think you
Speaker 1: guys will really enjoy it, so let's keep this intro
Speaker 1: short and sweet. All that's left for you to do
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Speaker 3: All right, guys, welcome to Apocalyptic Anomalies. Today on the show,
Speaker 3: we have Brian. I've read in the book that you
Speaker 3: were in law force. How long were you in law
Speaker 3: enforcement and did you experience anything supernatural during your career
Speaker 3: in law enforcement?
Speaker 1: A total of sixteen years in law enforcement. People have
Speaker 1: asked me that in the past. I know some police officers.
Speaker 1: I just literally posted a show today on one of
Speaker 1: our podcasts, Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where I read stories about
Speaker 1: people's encounters that don't necessarily want to come on to
Speaker 1: do an interview. I've done a two part series about
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers who experience encounters with mostly bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: was a city of Atlanta cops. It was very urban.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a whole lot of bigfoot in the middle
Speaker 1: of Atlanta's I know other officers have had those kind
Speaker 1: of situations in the past. Other shows have done stories
Speaker 1: about officers having encounters with bigfoot, dog man, even ghost.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any as a police officer. I had
Speaker 1: some pretty supernatural experiences with people, but it was all
Speaker 1: people related. It's nothing krypted related or anything supernatural.
Speaker 3: Now, well, I want to jump right into your experience.
Speaker 3: If you could please share your experience that you have,
Speaker 3: cause I read a little bit about it in your book.
Speaker 3: I got up to chapter five, so I still got
Speaker 3: to finish the book. May I read a little bit
Speaker 3: about your experience in the book, if you could please
Speaker 3: share with the audience in detail your experience with the
Speaker 3: audience and with me as well.
Speaker 1: A little bit of backstory that I don't really get
Speaker 1: into in the book is some of the weird things
Speaker 1: that were happening in that house we were living in,
Speaker 1: because there was some supernatural things going on there. I
Speaker 1: say that because I think it's important to lay that baseline,
Speaker 1: because I've been asked on other shows. I was a
Speaker 1: guest on a podcast a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: somebody asked me, do you think it was something other
Speaker 1: than bigfoot that you might have experienced in the woods.
Speaker 1: I'd like to start there and sort of lay the foundation.
Speaker 1: We moved into this house, and we were in a
Speaker 1: really small town. And when I say small town, I
Speaker 1: don't even think the town had a caution light.
Speaker 4: It was that small.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a full way stop, and
Speaker 1: everybody knew everybody. Before we moved into this house, the
Speaker 1: gentleman who owned it, we were renting it from him.
Speaker 1: His two sons had lived there before us. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of us about some of the things that
Speaker 1: they were into. They were supposedly into devil worship, demonic activity,
Speaker 1: and those kind of things. When we moved into the house, initially,
Speaker 1: the first thing I did was go outside. I'd never
Speaker 1: had any kind of land to roam on, and this
Speaker 1: house had tons of property around it. So we didn't
Speaker 1: own it, but we had access to it because we
Speaker 1: rented this place from this gentleman. So I stayed out
Speaker 1: in the woods and there was this really cool creek
Speaker 1: area that I would go to with a bunch of
Speaker 1: rock water running through the rocks. It's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to explain. It wasn't like creek rock. It was solid
Speaker 1: rock foundations and formations that this water was run into.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen.
Speaker 1: But there were some weird things that I found in
Speaker 1: and around the water. They looked like they were man
Speaker 1: made bowls and weird spoons.
Speaker 4: And other things.
Speaker 1: I found some things that looked like they were possibly
Speaker 1: I don't know, made out of cow skulls and things
Speaker 1: like that that as a kid, I thought there were
Speaker 1: cows in that area. I thought maybe it just naturally
Speaker 1: died head. But in retrospect, knowing what I know now,
Speaker 1: it was probably something that a person had placed there.
Speaker 1: I found that a little peculiar. But like I said,
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve years old, you don't really think about
Speaker 1: those things. The real things that started happening inside the
Speaker 1: house were what really let me know that something was
Speaker 1: going on. I started hearing voices in the house. I
Speaker 1: would have this weird feeling that I was being watched.
Speaker 1: When I was in the house, I would hear scratching.
Speaker 1: I was waking up a lot of times, I mean
Speaker 1: maybe six or eight times over the course of a
Speaker 1: couple of years, I would wake up to this dark
Speaker 1: figure standing at the foot of my bed, to the
Speaker 1: point where I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Stay in my own room.
Speaker 1: I would take a blanket and I would end up
Speaker 1: sleeping at the foot of my mom and dad's bed
Speaker 1: or somewhere on the floor in their room. Because I
Speaker 1: was petrified to stay in my own room. I would
Speaker 1: shower and I would keep my eyes open while I
Speaker 1: was washing my face. It was that kind of scared.
Speaker 1: I was always felt like there was a presence there.
Speaker 1: So that's what really started in the house. And then
Speaker 1: I had this experience. I fancied myself was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a hunter, so I would go out and
Speaker 1: score rabbit hunt. I was out in the woods as
Speaker 1: I was normally out, and I went into this area
Speaker 1: that I'd never been in one particular day, I had
Speaker 1: this feeling. I just sort of ran into it. And
Speaker 1: if you get into bigfoot encounters, like I've documented hundreds
Speaker 1: of big foot encounters at this point on my show,
Speaker 1: you'll have people have experiences where they feel like they've
Speaker 1: hit a wall. They're walking along, everything's going okay, and
Speaker 1: they just feel like they can't go any further. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what happened to me. I felt like I
Speaker 1: hit an invisible wall. The hair on the back of
Speaker 1: my neck stood up, the hair on my arm stood up,
Speaker 1: and I just had this feeling that I wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to be there, and that I needed to be somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I needed to be getting out of the area, but
Speaker 1: I was physically frozen, and I think I described it
Speaker 1: in the book as I felt like my legs became
Speaker 1: wooden stakes that were driven into the ground. I literally
Speaker 1: could not move. I heard this. It was probably ten
Speaker 1: twelve feet away from it. This was in North Georgia.
Speaker 1: If you've been in the Carolinas or anywhere in the southeast.
Speaker 1: I live in North Carolina now, but in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, North Carolina. In the summertime, you can go
Speaker 1: out into the woods and this place was thick with vegetation,
Speaker 1: and just on the outskirts of my field of vision,
Speaker 1: it's where I was hearing these noises. And it sounded
Speaker 1: like something that was bipedal. It was walking on two legs.
Speaker 1: It sounded huge, and I could hear it walking just
Speaker 1: outside of where I could see it. At one point
Speaker 1: I heard like this huffing sound, and I was petrified.
Speaker 4: I had no.
Speaker 1: Idea what it was. I knew what it was though
Speaker 1: I knew enough about the woods, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a deer. I knew it wasn't a bear. We didn't
Speaker 1: have bear in that area. And then I heard what
Speaker 1: sounded like a bluff charge. Now, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: a bluff charge was back then, but I've studied primates
Speaker 1: and looked into gorillas. If you've ever seen videos a
Speaker 1: silverback gorilla bluff charging people when they come into their area,
Speaker 1: That's what it sounded like in the woods, about ten
Speaker 1: or twelve feet away from me, and it would stop
Speaker 1: just on the outskirts of where I could see this vegetation.
Speaker 1: This happened a couple of times. It seemed like it
Speaker 1: lasted forever. It was probably literally thirty or forty five seconds,
Speaker 1: might have been a minute, maybe two minutes, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, fight or flight kicked in. I
Speaker 1: switched from complete stuck in the ground, couldn't move, to flight.
Speaker 1: Something clicked in my brain and said, you got to
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here.
Speaker 4: I turned around.
Speaker 1: I ran as fast as I could, flat out run
Speaker 1: through the woods, probably six eight hundred yards, however far
Speaker 1: away it was from the house. I dove over the
Speaker 1: fence and landed into what I thought was the safer
Speaker 1: zone in the front yard of the house. It took
Speaker 1: me a long time to go back in the woods
Speaker 1: after that. Man, I was really concerned with what I
Speaker 1: had encountered, never saw what it was. Still to this
Speaker 1: day can't say what it was. I had no idea,
Speaker 1: but it was something I'd never experienced before, and I
Speaker 1: haven't experienced anything like that since. I've had a couple
Speaker 1: of experiences since then that put me in a certain
Speaker 1: place that was close to that, but nothing that close
Speaker 1: those kind of experiences that scared me the way that
Speaker 1: scared me. Fast forward to a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: I was a guest on the podcast and the guy
Speaker 1: was into this demonic stuff, he was into the occult,
Speaker 1: and he asked me, he said, have you ever considered
Speaker 1: that what you experienced in the woods might not have
Speaker 1: been sasquatch or Bigfoot? It might have been something that
Speaker 1: followed you from the house into the woods. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was whatever entity you were dealing with inside the house,
Speaker 1: because that seems to be a common thing, according to him,
Speaker 1: in some situations where people think they're experiences. And I
Speaker 1: have talked to people in the past that claim to
Speaker 1: have been experiencing what they believed to be Bigfoot, that
Speaker 1: I believed that they were dealing with some sort of
Speaker 1: an entity outside of Bigfoot because they never saw a creature.
Speaker 1: Some of the things they were describing sounded very similar
Speaker 1: to what I was dealing with in the house in
Speaker 1: that experience. I don't know, man, it was just one
Speaker 1: of those things where I grew up with stories in
Speaker 1: that area of people talking about Bigfoot. My great grandparents
Speaker 1: were talking about Bigfoot. I heard stories about gensng hunters
Speaker 1: that were encountering Bigfoot at the time. I even talked
Speaker 1: about in the very early chapters of the book, I
Speaker 1: include one of the stories that I heard my grandparents
Speaker 1: talk about. I discovered it just a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago when I was doing some research for the podcast.
Speaker 1: I looked in that area on a database that I
Speaker 1: have access to, and there was a story from like
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven that was just a few miles away
Speaker 1: from my house from where some gensng hunters came into
Speaker 1: contact with what I believe now to be Bigfoot. I've
Speaker 1: always correlated that experience to a possible Bigfoot experience. Again,
Speaker 1: I've never said it was I never will say, because
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. Since that conversation a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, I've scratched my head and thought that maybe
Speaker 1: it was something other than Bigfoot. But I definitely experienced
Speaker 1: something I just can't explain.
Speaker 4: What it was. Wow, that's amazing, man.
Speaker 3: How long did it take you to go back into
Speaker 3: the woods where you felt like, Okay, I feel like
Speaker 3: I could go back into the woods kind of roll
Speaker 3: around without feeling like a threat or something. How long
Speaker 3: did that take you before you felt at ease about that.
Speaker 1: It was months and months before I was able to
Speaker 1: to even venture back into the safe places that I
Speaker 1: had been before. The creek area that I was hanging
Speaker 1: out in there was a big pine thicket that I
Speaker 1: would play in. I had a fort and i'd climb
Speaker 1: the trees there, and you could see it from the house.
Speaker 1: So that's where I ventured to first. But it took
Speaker 1: me a long time to get back into the woods
Speaker 1: deeper than the cursory trip to the creek or into
Speaker 1: this area that was visible from the middle of this
Speaker 1: pasture outside of the front of the house. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I ever felt comfortable while we.
Speaker 4: Were living there.
Speaker 1: We were only there for another two or three years.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I was ever comfortable in the
Speaker 1: woods there after that. I never had any other experiences
Speaker 1: that were anything close to that, or anything that even
Speaker 1: made me think that I was experiencing the same thing,
Speaker 1: but it was difficult for me to ever be comfortable
Speaker 1: going any deeper than just the cursory go into the
Speaker 1: creek kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But I've talked to.
Speaker 1: So many people at this point that experience had grown
Speaker 1: man who hunt. There's tons of people that I've talked
Speaker 1: to you that have had experiences with what they believe
Speaker 1: to be sasquatched or know to be if you ask them,
Speaker 1: they know it is because they saw something that. Don't
Speaker 1: go back in the woods after that. These are seasoned
Speaker 1: hunters with high powered rifles, and they just refuse to
Speaker 1: go back and go into these areas because they are
Speaker 1: so afraid that they're going to run.
Speaker 4: Into one of these creatures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the book you described it. You were carrying
Speaker 3: a BB gun, air rifle gun or something like that.
Speaker 3: So I mean, if you encountered anything that's not going
Speaker 3: to do much maybe.
Speaker 1: Other than a bird or a small squirrel, I was screwed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I could definitely see, as eleven twelve years old
Speaker 3: you being scared, and anybody would have been scared. Like
Speaker 3: you said, grown men go into the woods and they
Speaker 3: encountered these things for sure, and it's a very scary experience.
Speaker 3: I'm just glad that you were brave enough to not
Speaker 3: let that kind of not let you go back into
Speaker 3: those woods after that, because a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: go back after they encounter stuff like that. It gets
Speaker 3: to the point where it traumatizes them in a way
Speaker 3: and they just can't find the courage to go back.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm glad you're back out through that's great.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Just rewinding a little bit right when you were talking
Speaker 3: about the dark figure in your room, how often would
Speaker 3: that happen or was that just like a one time
Speaker 3: deal when you saw that figure.
Speaker 1: I'd say over the course of maybe two to three
Speaker 1: years in that house, it probably happened five times that
Speaker 1: I recall. And I've talked to people that I've tried
Speaker 1: to find answers about that. Because I'm a very Okham's
Speaker 1: Razor kind of guy, my cop brain always goes to
Speaker 1: it's something other than the supernatural, right, I try to
Speaker 1: find something that would make a reasonable person go, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is probably what happened. I don't automatically jump to it,
Speaker 1: oh it was a ghost or oh it was bigfoot.
Speaker 1: That I'm not that guy so even in retrospect, looking
Speaker 1: back at that situation, I've always tried to say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it was sleep paralysis. So I've talked to people
Speaker 1: about sleep paralysis. I'm friends with a couple of clinical psychologists.
Speaker 1: I've had conversations with him about it, and they say, now,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like sleep paralysis that you were experiencing.
Speaker 1: It sounds like something different. People say that it was
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis because it was similar to that, because I
Speaker 1: would wake up and I would be completely frozen. I
Speaker 1: couldn't move, but I was awake. I could feel the sensations.
Speaker 1: I remember feeling the fan on my face and hearing
Speaker 1: the sound when this thing was standing over my bed.
Speaker 1: I've even had people ask me, was it the shape
Speaker 1: of a sasquatch? Could it have possibly been a sasquatch?
Speaker 2: No, it was.
Speaker 1: Definitely more like you would see in a horror movie today,
Speaker 1: not necessarily like the Thin Man or something like that,
Speaker 1: but just the outline of what looks like a head
Speaker 1: and shoulders, and then it just kind of fades into darkness.
Speaker 1: And I've described it in the past, and this is
Speaker 1: the only way I can really describe it that would
Speaker 1: maybe make sense to people. Is it's dark in my room.
Speaker 1: It's darker than the dark. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, but a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people say that when they sees it, things like that,
Speaker 3: it's darker than the black in the room, it's pitch
Speaker 3: black and stucker, Well, go into that, man, Because I've
Speaker 3: never experienced anything like That's why I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 3: I've heard stories so blacker than black. Wow, It's like,
Speaker 3: how can you describe that?
Speaker 1: It's so difficult because when I get asked to talk
Speaker 1: about this experience, which is rare because it's normally all
Speaker 1: about bigfoot with me, Yeah, that's the only way I've
Speaker 1: been able to describe it is being in a dark room.
Speaker 1: It's almost like shades of black. If you're wearing a
Speaker 1: black shirt. You're wearing a black shirt now, but you
Speaker 1: could possibly have another piece of clothing on that might
Speaker 1: be even darker than that, maybe a dark stone against
Speaker 1: the black shirt, or it's just a slight maybe the
Speaker 1: shirt is a little bit grayer than black, and then
Speaker 1: something else is blacker. It's kind of that feeling or
Speaker 1: that sensation that's what I saw, that's standing at the
Speaker 1: foot of the bed, And of course even as.
Speaker 4: We live out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: We're on forty acres here in North Carolina, and there's
Speaker 1: no light pollution at all, So if there's.
Speaker 4: Not a lot of moonlight going on, it is really
Speaker 4: dark when it's dark here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can see if something black, right, we
Speaker 1: have black things like black planters and things outside you
Speaker 1: can kind of see it. Then when you walk outside
Speaker 1: you don't have any light, and then there's this black
Speaker 1: planter that I know we have a tree, planet in
Speaker 1: or something, so you.
Speaker 4: Can kind of see that.
Speaker 1: It's almost that sort of thing. It's blacker than the night.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to explain, especially when this thing's standing
Speaker 1: at the foot of your bed and you don't have
Speaker 1: any idea what it is. I know it's not a
Speaker 1: planner with a tree in it, So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out in my twelve year old brain or what's
Speaker 1: standing at my bed. Yes, because nobody's supposed to be
Speaker 1: here but me. And then again, I've talked about it before.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound crazy, but I was hearing voiceless.
Speaker 1: I was hearing voices at the same time. I can't
Speaker 1: tell you what the voices were saying. And this wasn't
Speaker 1: all the time, but when I would hear these things,
Speaker 1: it would be at night typically, and sometimes I've even
Speaker 1: heard it in the day in this house, but it
Speaker 1: was mostly at night.
Speaker 4: But it was always that long.
Speaker 1: We really couldn't make out what was being said, but
Speaker 1: somebody's or something talking, and that I would hear scratches
Speaker 1: on the wall. It sounded like they were inside the
Speaker 1: wall behind my bed, the back of the bed where
Speaker 1: I would lay and the headrest would be up against
Speaker 1: the wall, and the wall was an external wall. There
Speaker 1: was nothing behind my bedroom, like the window faced out
Speaker 1: to the outside. I was on the end of the house,
Speaker 1: so there's not another room. My parents' room was across
Speaker 1: the hall. In the room directly next to my bedroom
Speaker 1: was the bathroom. It was only a two bedroom house.
Speaker 1: It was a really small house.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 1: Again my mind goes to could it have been a
Speaker 1: squirrel scratching on the wall? Could it have been an
Speaker 1: animal scratching on the wall, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: I can't Ockham's razor it or away as much as
Speaker 1: I would like to, other than saying I think there
Speaker 1: was some really nefarious things going on. I didn't know
Speaker 1: it at the time. I don't have a great relationship
Speaker 1: with my dad. I haven't talked to my dad in decades,
Speaker 1: but I did talk to my mom after we moved
Speaker 1: out of that house years and years later. Even in
Speaker 1: recent years, we've had conversations about living in that particular house,
Speaker 1: and my mom confided to me that my dad was
Speaker 1: having some of the similar experiences that I explained to
Speaker 1: her years later that neither one of us really talked
Speaker 1: about at the time. She knew it at the time
Speaker 1: because he had confided in her. My dad was going
Speaker 1: through alcohol abuse. He was doing drugs at the time.
Speaker 1: He was taking peels, downers, those kind of things. So
Speaker 1: I take it with grain of salt that he was
Speaker 1: having these experiences and hearing voices going through some of
Speaker 1: the things that I was going through. But it almost
Speaker 1: coroborates the two because if I had not been having
Speaker 1: those experiences myself and it was just him while he
Speaker 1: was using drugs and alcohol, some would say, Okay, he
Speaker 1: was having some kind of hallucinations, But I was experiencing
Speaker 1: those things that I wasn't doing drugs and alcohol at
Speaker 1: twelve years old. So when you both have those experiences,
Speaker 1: it seems to be that.
Speaker 4: There's a there there. I just don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: And the closest thing I can come to it, like
Speaker 1: I said, is some of the things that I believe
Speaker 1: that the people that were living there before us, these
Speaker 1: two guys that lived there before us, we're pretty well
Speaker 1: known for this stuff. They have had something to do
Speaker 1: with that before we moved into the house.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, yeah, but I mean it almost
Speaker 3: seems like these entities, these I guess you could say
Speaker 3: demonic or evil entities, kind of feed off those negative vibes, right,
Speaker 3: So wherever there's some type of alcohol or drunk because
Speaker 3: they kind of try to latch onto that. It almost
Speaker 3: seemed like they were trying.
Speaker 4: To scare you, to feed off your fear.
Speaker 3: That's what a lot of people talk about, how they
Speaker 3: try to kind of install fearing you first, just to
Speaker 3: get a reaction from you, to kind of grip you
Speaker 3: in that fear. And I mean, I can't imagine going
Speaker 3: through that at eleven twelve years old, but it's like
Speaker 3: it's very scary. I've heard stories where people try to
Speaker 3: yell and nothing comes out, and they try to like
Speaker 3: move and they can't move. It almost grips you so man.
Speaker 3: It's one of those feelings that, like you said, you
Speaker 3: can't really explain it. It's almost like it's just a feeling.
Speaker 3: It's a feeling. It's like it's there, you see, it's there,
Speaker 3: you physically see, but it's more of a sheeling, like
Speaker 3: what do I do now? You're kind of scared. And
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people lean towards their
Speaker 3: faith in those situations and try to get out of
Speaker 3: those situations.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked to people since then. I've talked to
Speaker 1: the late Paula just passed away. I had him on
Speaker 1: the show last year and he did a lot of
Speaker 1: work with Dain Lorraine Warren. Most people have seen the
Speaker 1: Conjuring movies and the Annabel.
Speaker 4: Movies and those people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Paul was originally an investigator with the Warrens
Speaker 1: when they were doing some of these cases. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that I talked to Paul. We
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it on the show. I talked to
Speaker 1: him off air about it because I told him about
Speaker 1: some of the experiences.
Speaker 4: I said, and he told.
Speaker 3: Those are those based on true? I just want to
Speaker 3: know if those are those based on true events, yes, and.
Speaker 1: If some of those are yeah. The Conjuring House in
Speaker 1: particular was somewhat based in truth. That's one of the
Speaker 1: things that Paul and I discussed on the episode. He
Speaker 1: kind of separated the whek from the chaff about what
Speaker 1: was real in what wasn't. And a lot of the
Speaker 1: Warren's stories, especially are Lorraine Warrens. She was probably the
Speaker 1: most famous of the two Warrens. A lot of the
Speaker 1: things that she was involved in later in her life
Speaker 1: got blown out of proportion. Some of those things are
Speaker 1: obviously made for Hollywood to make them more interesting. But
Speaker 1: Paul was one of the first investigators to go into
Speaker 1: some of these places, and he had tons of experiences
Speaker 1: in the Conjuring House that he talked about on my show.
Speaker 1: One of the things we talked about off air was
Speaker 1: I told him about some of the experiences and he said,
Speaker 1: there's something about some of those cases. For example, some
Speaker 1: of the cases that you see, for example, the Exorcist
Speaker 1: obviously famously played by Linda Blair. It was a female character,
Speaker 1: but the actual story that's based on loosely in truth,
Speaker 1: was a thirteen year old boy. That's one of the
Speaker 1: things Paul talked about doing some of the investigations with
Speaker 1: the Warrens and some of the things she had done
Speaker 1: throughout his career. Was this connection with, like you said,
Speaker 1: the drug and alcohol abuse, the turmoil. My mom and
Speaker 1: dad weren't getting along, there was a lot of fights.
Speaker 1: They had just had my sister who was an unexpected accident, right,
Speaker 1: and there were so many things that were going on,
Speaker 1: and you had me a twelve year old pre pubescent boy.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the culmination of all those things,
Speaker 1: but it seems like the perfect storm for some of
Speaker 1: these paranormal and pultural geist, even to the point of
Speaker 1: where things are moving and being done to people activity happens.
Speaker 1: He was like, look, Brian, there's a lot to that.
Speaker 1: I know you may not believe it, but it's a
Speaker 1: possibility that if that's what you were experiencing.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've looked at it in retrospect and I just I
Speaker 1: chalk it up to it was an experience, and it
Speaker 1: was a scary experience, and luckily I've moved on from that.
Speaker 1: I've lived in a couple of hundred houses after that
Speaker 1: as an adult, But it was nothing as serious as
Speaker 1: what I was experiencing there.
Speaker 3: A lot of times when you move into a new
Speaker 3: property and stuff, it's really not disclosed, like hey, just
Speaker 3: the heads up, this house may be haunted. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's for it's cheap, you want to move in, So
Speaker 3: nobody's really expecting those things, and then when they do happen,
Speaker 3: you're kind of just left there like, well, I'm going
Speaker 3: through these experiences. How can I either seek for help
Speaker 3: or how can I try to move my family to
Speaker 3: a safer place mentally, because I feel like a lot
Speaker 3: of these things try to They try to harm you spiritually, right,
Speaker 3: They try to doubt you, make you doubt whatever you
Speaker 3: believe in, and they try to make you fear, and
Speaker 3: that's how they group you. Like I said before, it's
Speaker 3: crazy because as a kid growing up, I went to
Speaker 3: a Pentecostal church. I saw a lot of things where
Speaker 3: reverends or pastors would pray on people and you would
Speaker 3: see demons come out of people, which to me again,
Speaker 3: as a kid, right, I'm looking at that like what's
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 4: Like you don't understand it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: They're talking in languages like you said, right, things you
Speaker 3: can't understand. Words, you can't understand, and for some reason
Speaker 3: the pastor kind of talks back in tongues, and I mean,
Speaker 3: it's crazy, man. These things come out of people. They
Speaker 3: start throwing up you hear thinks say no, I'm not leaving.
Speaker 3: It's like what is your name? And stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's like those things are real, they really do exist.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a strong believer that we do
Speaker 3: have a soul and a spirit, and those things try
Speaker 3: to attack that. So that's crazy, man. I wanted to
Speaker 3: jump into you mentioned in your book there was a
Speaker 3: man you knew, Elijah, Your dad knew him, and you
Speaker 3: knew him as a kid. Are there any interesting stories
Speaker 3: that he might have shared with you guys about anything
Speaker 3: supernatural he might have experience or something like that they
Speaker 3: could share on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Nothing that I remember.
Speaker 1: I talk about Elijah briefly in the book because he
Speaker 1: was my dad's best friend, and I remember him from
Speaker 1: early on. These guys would go fishing and I would
Speaker 1: tag along with him. But I remember him talking about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: He called it a different name from his tribal name.
Speaker 1: He talked about experiences that his family and their family
Speaker 1: had passed on through the generations, But nothing that he
Speaker 1: had experienced himself. Not to say that he didn't have
Speaker 1: those experiences, but he didn't share any.
Speaker 4: Of those that I recall with us. That's a common thing.
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of Native American people and
Speaker 1: First Nations people that we'll talk about it now because
Speaker 1: it's a different time. But even if you talk to them,
Speaker 1: they'll tell you now that there are people that are
Speaker 1: older than them and different generations who still will not
Speaker 1: talk about the Hairy Man, Bigfoot, or Sasquatch are even
Speaker 1: some of the other things that they might experience that
Speaker 1: would be considered supernatural or some sort of high strangeness.
Speaker 1: And Elijah wasn't a big talker in the first place,
Speaker 1: as I remember. He's passed on now rest his soul,
Speaker 1: but I do remember him talking a little bit about Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and that was it.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like a lot of these entities that
Speaker 3: try to, I guess, tackle us, right, Do you feel
Speaker 3: like that can also be like a hereditary thing, like
Speaker 3: it's passed on from generation to generation like a curse almost.
Speaker 4: What's your opinion on that.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting that you say that, because I've always
Speaker 1: approached everything I've done, whether it's UFOs or had UFO experiences. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I've lived in hanted houses. Oh whoa, well, I'm fay
Speaker 1: to get into those. I've had experiences of what I
Speaker 1: believe to be some sort of entity from the other side.
Speaker 1: And when I got into documenting people's Bigfoot experiences, I
Speaker 1: would talk to people. They would tell me I've had
Speaker 1: Bigfoot experiences, and I would say, if you had other
Speaker 1: weird experiences or anything else, Yeah, there was these strange lights,
Speaker 1: or I saw this what looked like an alien craft.
Speaker 1: I would check a box over here and go, Okay,
Speaker 1: well they're having Bigfoot experiences, but they're also having this
Speaker 1: other weird stuff that can be related.
Speaker 4: Bigfoot's not an alien. Bigfoot to me is.
Speaker 1: A flesh and blood creature that's probably some sort of
Speaker 1: really tomanoid. And I had a guy on the show
Speaker 1: named Preston Dinnett. Preston is huge, particularly in the UFO community.
Speaker 1: He's interviewed hundreds or probably thousands of people at this point,
Speaker 1: he's probably written ten books on the subject. And the
Speaker 1: first time I interviewed Preston, we were having a conversation
Speaker 1: and he asked me if I've ever had any kind
Speaker 1: of experience with the UFO.
Speaker 4: I told him about my UFO.
Speaker 1: Experience, and Preston says, Brian, everything is connected. Whether you
Speaker 1: believe it or not, everything is connected, and that just
Speaker 1: stuck with me. So Ever since that conversation, I've had
Speaker 1: many conversations since with Preston. I've sort of shifted away
Speaker 1: from just checking boxes and saying, well, you had this
Speaker 1: weird experience, maybe not here, because during some of those
Speaker 1: conversations with people like Paulino, with Preston, and talking to
Speaker 1: other investigators, it seems that there is something that's possibly hereditary.
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily with demonic possession or something to
Speaker 1: do with the other side, but particularly with UFOs. I
Speaker 1: have seen a connection there with family members. I've had
Speaker 1: so many people that I've talked to on the air
Speaker 1: and off the air that have had in depth, sometimes
Speaker 1: even abductee experiences with UFOs that when they dial into
Speaker 1: their family lineage and start looking back as much as
Speaker 1: they can, because a lot of times their family members won't.
Speaker 4: Talk about it.
Speaker 1: When they do talk about it, you find that mom
Speaker 1: has had experiences with UFOs, dads had experiences with UFOs.
Speaker 1: Then you get into the grandparents. Sometimes great grandparents experience
Speaker 1: something they can't explain. Stan Gordon comes to mind. I've
Speaker 1: had conversations with Stan Gordon, a very famous UFO investigator,
Speaker 1: and Stan talked about the same thing. Some of the
Speaker 1: cases that he would go out on were multi generational, right,
Speaker 1: these people that had experiences on their property, and then
Speaker 1: generations later other people are experiencing. So that was a
Speaker 1: long answer to a short question to say, I do
Speaker 1: believe there is a common thread that runs through that
Speaker 1: in some capacity. What that thread is I still haven't
Speaker 1: figured that out yet, but I do think that it
Speaker 1: is a possibility that some of that stuff's connected. You
Speaker 1: just have to look at the evidence. Honestly, it really
Speaker 1: goes to the evidence. You can't have conversations with people
Speaker 1: that have real experiences that you believe that had and
Speaker 1: then they say, and then I talked to my mom,
Speaker 1: and my mom told me she had been abducted when
Speaker 1: she was a kid. And then I talked to my dad,
Speaker 1: and my dad told me the same thing. And my
Speaker 1: mom had this weird thing in her hand that they
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out.
Speaker 4: It was an implant.
Speaker 1: It's a whole ball of wax that gets presented to you.
Speaker 1: I've just gotten to the point where I stopped trying
Speaker 1: to check the boxes and dismiss things and just accept
Speaker 1: that although I may not understand it, I may not
Speaker 1: be able to explain it.
Speaker 4: I do believe that there is a.
Speaker 1: Connection there, and some people even say it's generational with sasquatch.
Speaker 1: That's a little harder for me to swallow because I
Speaker 1: think that those are flesh and blood creatures. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm open to anything. I'd never say never,
Speaker 1: because as soon as you say never, somebody's going to
Speaker 1: prove you wrong. So I'm always open to it. I
Speaker 1: love the conversations with people. I do believe that I'm
Speaker 1: going to quote Preston Dinnett if you ever hear this, Preston,
Speaker 1: I'm quoting you man, that everything is connected in some way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that's very well put.
Speaker 3: I feel like, in my opinion, I think a lot
Speaker 3: of these things are physical, can be physical and supernatural,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like us, right, we live in
Speaker 3: this world. It's a material world. It's a physical world.
Speaker 3: But when we go to sleep, some people even astra
Speaker 3: project and they travel, So what does that tell you?
Speaker 3: It almost feels like going back to what you said
Speaker 3: about Preston is everything is connected.
Speaker 4: We're all connected.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about a lot of these entities
Speaker 3: or UFOs? And you mentioned Sasquash that you feel is
Speaker 3: more physical, But do you think a lot of these
Speaker 3: cryptives are physical and supernatural as well.
Speaker 1: I tell you, the one thing that I've always said
Speaker 1: is this Bigfoot to me is at this point, if
Speaker 1: they exist at all, they are a physical, flesh and
Speaker 1: blood creature that exists in our dimension, our plane, just
Speaker 1: like what we do.
Speaker 4: They're just another being, right.
Speaker 1: But I tell you, the more I've had conversations with people,
Speaker 1: I have to open my mind to what we call
Speaker 1: the high strangeness of the Woo and Bigfoot. There's so
Speaker 1: many people who have experiences beyond just a flesh and
Speaker 1: blood experience with these creatures. It's really made me question
Speaker 1: if I could be wrong. They could be something more.
Speaker 1: They could be an interdimensional creature. They could have some
Speaker 1: connection with extraterrestrials.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: They could be a flesh and blood creature that have
Speaker 1: some sort of extraordinary abilities, like a cuddlefish for example,
Speaker 1: or like we know some other creatures like squid and
Speaker 1: things that are able to change color and change shape
Speaker 1: do things that are considered to be in some way supernatural,
Speaker 1: but now they're just mundane to us because we know, hey,
Speaker 1: they just do that, right, It's just part of.
Speaker 4: What they do.
Speaker 1: Some people describe eyeshine, and I'm not talking about eye shine, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you shine a flashlight and they have the ability to
Speaker 1: reflect the light and you see eye shine from a
Speaker 1: deer or another animal or dog or whatever. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about self illuminating eyes on sasquatch. That's a pretty common
Speaker 1: thing that we hear. If you take a bok bunch
Speaker 1: of experiences, you're going to have at least probably two
Speaker 1: out of ten, maybe three out of ten, say yeah,
Speaker 1: this thing had self illuminating eyes or appeared to be
Speaker 1: How do you explain that?
Speaker 4: What do you do with that?
Speaker 1: So these creatures could be a combination of things. They
Speaker 1: could be a very physical creature with some things that
Speaker 1: we don't understand, and then it is a possibility that
Speaker 1: they could be even more. They could be a flesh
Speaker 1: and blood creature while they're here, and they could move
Speaker 1: between dimensions. I think, as far as other cryptids are
Speaker 1: concerned and the big one for me. The other one
Speaker 1: outside of bigfoot, I think number two on the cryptid
Speaker 1: scale would probably be dog man. It's something that's come
Speaker 1: about over the last decade or so, probably less than
Speaker 1: a decade, and I have a really hard time wrapping
Speaker 1: my brain around a six to seven to eight foot
Speaker 1: tall bipedal half man, half dog creature. That's a tough
Speaker 1: thing to wrap your brain around, right, But people claim
Speaker 1: they see these police officers. I've heard of stories where
Speaker 1: police officers have not only seen these things but allegedly
Speaker 1: shot them to no effect.
Speaker 4: That's a really out there thing.
Speaker 1: I've always said, if dog men exist, I cannot figure
Speaker 1: out how it could physically exist. Like a large bipedal ape.
Speaker 1: We know that those things have existed in the past.
Speaker 1: We know about Gigantopithecus, we know about other huge apes
Speaker 1: that have existed. Orangutans are pretty big comparative to other apes,
Speaker 1: so we're silver back gorillas. We know those things could
Speaker 1: possibly exist, so it's easier to wrap our brain around
Speaker 1: there's a big ape walking around in North America, possibly
Speaker 1: than a seven to eight foot tall half man. We're
Speaker 1: talking to American werewolf in London. Stuff here right in
Speaker 1: the eighties. Eh, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: So I've always said, I think these people may be
Speaker 1: having these experiences, and if they are seeing what they
Speaker 1: believe that they are seeing, it could be something else.
Speaker 1: There could be a possibility of these other cryptids maybe exist,
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're flesh and blak creatures. I
Speaker 1: think they may be something else, chupacabra, some of these
Speaker 1: other wild when digo, some of these other out there
Speaker 1: things that people claim to see. I just don't know
Speaker 1: how they could physically exist here all the time and
Speaker 1: not be discovered on some other level and or seen
Speaker 1: more often than they are.
Speaker 4: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's interesting that you put that like that,
Speaker 3: because going back right to your experience in the woods,
Speaker 3: when you experienced that, you said you kind of froze
Speaker 3: and you heard a grunt or like a growl almost right.
Speaker 3: How did that feel for you? And did you have
Speaker 3: any other your senses open?
Speaker 4: Like was it quiet?
Speaker 3: Because a lot of people explain it when they have
Speaker 3: these experiences that it gets kind of quiet, the air
Speaker 3: gets quiet, and they smell something that's not na true.
Speaker 3: How can you explain it in your words? Your senses.
Speaker 3: What were your sensing besides the frozenness of the flight
Speaker 3: or fight sensation.
Speaker 1: It's been a few years, but I can tell you this.
Speaker 1: I don't remember having the sense of the quietness. I
Speaker 1: mean people have talked to about in stories they've told
Speaker 1: to me, the crickets stopped, everything stopped, and then this
Speaker 1: thing appeared. I didn't really have that sense because it
Speaker 1: could have happened. Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I was
Speaker 1: completely focused on what was happening, what I was hearing.
Speaker 1: Just auditory senses is really all I was focusing on
Speaker 1: because that's all I had at the moment. I didn't
Speaker 1: smell anything, I didn't see anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: All I could focus on was what I was hearing.
Speaker 1: So for me, that's all it was. I've been in
Speaker 1: some pretty hairy situations, no pun intended. I've been in
Speaker 1: some hairy situations as a cop where I've been shot at,
Speaker 1: and when the adrenaline kicks in, you get tunnel vision,
Speaker 1: you get an auditory exclusion. Right, You're just focused on what
Speaker 1: you see. You got very little control over your fingers.
Speaker 1: I mean, all the blood's rushing to the core of
Speaker 1: your body, just to keep you in survival mode. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I experienced when I was twelve.
Speaker 1: I'd never had that experience before, but I've had it
Speaker 1: tons of times since as an adult in those kind
Speaker 1: of situations. I've tried to take that into account when
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing people, for example, and them talking about some
Speaker 1: of the experiences that they've had and just seeing if
Speaker 1: it's a real visceral reaction. I never want to be
Speaker 1: the person who interrogates anybody who comes on my show.
Speaker 1: I make it a safe space for anybody who wants
Speaker 1: to tell their story. And I've had some wild stories.
Speaker 1: I've had some really wild stories that I've posted on
Speaker 1: the show and people go, wow, how could you have
Speaker 1: that person? I said, Well, it's their experience, right, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: I've tried to draw on that feeling and knowledge and
Speaker 1: actual experience that I've had later in life to go
Speaker 1: back and even look at my own experience. Again, Like
Speaker 1: I said, I can say everything else just stopped. I
Speaker 1: was focused on what I could hear. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing again as a police officer, focus on
Speaker 1: the suspect to shooting at me, you get auditory exclusion.
Speaker 4: You don't hear.
Speaker 1: That's why you hear stories of police officers. I mean
Speaker 1: people have told me I was screaming at you, dude,
Speaker 1: you didn't hear me.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't hear you.
Speaker 1: I was focused on the threat, right, So it's kind
Speaker 1: of those things that you physiologically go into. I've used
Speaker 1: that sort of to look at some of the experiences
Speaker 1: people have and talk about some of those things and
Speaker 1: kind of break it down for them, because a lot
Speaker 1: of people struggle with what they go through and they
Speaker 1: don't understand what happens to them physiologically in those situations,
Speaker 1: whether it be the stress of the situation, and they
Speaker 1: kind of blame themselves for not noticing this or not
Speaker 1: noticing that. I don't remember having any other experience other
Speaker 1: than focusing on what I was hearing at the time
Speaker 1: when I had my experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought I kind of touch based on that,
Speaker 3: just to see if there's any I guess, correlation to
Speaker 3: anybody else's experience, because a lot of people say they
Speaker 3: experience similar things when they do have those encounters.
Speaker 4: I wanted to.
Speaker 3: Touch base on the whole physical, supernatural aspect of these cryptids, Right.
Speaker 3: I come from a biblical background. Like I mentioned my mom.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I used to go to
Speaker 3: church and stuff growing up. I didn't understand certain things
Speaker 3: that I read in Genesis about fallen angels coming down
Speaker 3: and I'm mating with the women of the earth and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, which in essence they were spiritual and
Speaker 3: women were physical creatures. So what's your take on that
Speaker 3: and how factual do you think that is to the
Speaker 3: reality of the world that we live in.
Speaker 1: I've talked to so many people who believe that in
Speaker 1: some way bigfoot Sasquatch are nephelum nepheline. However, you say,
Speaker 1: it's been difficult for me over the years to relate
Speaker 1: to that. I just don't see it. That's just my
Speaker 1: personal opinion. It's totally subjective. I don't have any reason
Speaker 1: to say that that's not the case. It's just a
Speaker 1: feeling I guess that I have based on the experiences
Speaker 1: that I have talked to people. I'm almost five hundred
Speaker 1: episodes into Sasquatch ot to See at this point, and
Speaker 1: I've talked to so many people outside of that that
Speaker 1: don't even make it on the show. I see people
Speaker 1: want to go to book signings or I go to
Speaker 1: speak at conferences and people tell me their stories, and
Speaker 1: I just don't see that being a possibility. It just
Speaker 1: it sounds like a great story. It is a story,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense and correlate with some of
Speaker 1: the stories that I've heard. The majority of stories I've heard,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, most of the times, these
Speaker 1: things are doing very animalistic things. They're in the woods,
Speaker 1: they're hunting deer, they're building structures, they're doing whatever animals
Speaker 1: would do. So it's more of April like behavior than anything. Again,
Speaker 1: I who's to say. I'd love to be wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't mind being wrong if anybody can prove me wrong.
Speaker 4: But it's just my opinion. I just don't see it.
Speaker 1: I had a guy literally a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: on the show that has caused me a little bit
Speaker 1: of a story.
Speaker 4: He had that.
Speaker 1: Opinion of these things being Neffelin, and some of the
Speaker 1: audio that he has recorded in the past, he has
Speaker 1: felt like he's heard certain words or certain phrases that
Speaker 1: these things are saying. I think it's really kind of
Speaker 1: auditory peridolia. I think he's confirming what he believes because
Speaker 1: he comes from a very biblical standpoint on most things
Speaker 1: in his life, and we tend to do that. It's
Speaker 1: confirmation bias. We take what we already believe and we
Speaker 1: try to fit everything sort of in that square or
Speaker 1: that circle to fit what we believe. He brought up Jensis.
Speaker 1: He talked about the Nefel and Daring our conversation. It's
Speaker 1: a hard road for me to ho. I just can't
Speaker 1: get there. I believe that there may be something more
Speaker 1: to these things, but I think they're just a flesh
Speaker 1: and blood creature if they exists at all. I think
Speaker 1: there's some sort of a relict tominoid that people are
Speaker 1: having experiences with.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 3: I also feel like we're in this to kind of
Speaker 3: seek the truth, right, seek the knowledge of everything that
Speaker 3: is around us, in our reality, around in our world.
Speaker 3: So I feel like we're never really as researchers like yourself.
Speaker 3: You're very experienced, very seasoned in your research, so you
Speaker 3: just try a tend to look for the truth.
Speaker 4: But for us, I feel like we're very open.
Speaker 3: Right, Like you said, there could be a possibility nobody
Speaker 3: really knows the truth. I'm the first one to admit, hey,
Speaker 3: I was wrong. If there's some type of concrete evidence
Speaker 3: that somebody brings to and they can prove their point. Hey,
Speaker 3: maybe that's some other way to look at it. So
Speaker 3: I believe that's great that you have such an open
Speaker 3: mind about things like that, because, like you say, we
Speaker 3: never really know. It could be could it could not be?
Speaker 3: Very interesting stuff there though, So I want to go back.
Speaker 3: I keep talking about the book because from what I've
Speaker 3: readen it was very interesting stuff. Can you talk to
Speaker 3: us about chapter three, Sasquatch History, the Bamban Incident? Am
Speaker 3: I saying that correctly, the bioin incident Bamban incident. Yeah,
Speaker 3: can you talk to us about that in detail a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting story, and some people say it's
Speaker 1: nothing more than a story. It comes from Teddy Roosevelt's book.
Speaker 1: It is something that was supposedly relayed directly to him
Speaker 1: that he felt strong enough to write in his book.
Speaker 1: It's basically, in a nutshell, this guy's out on the frontier.
Speaker 1: He gets killed by what most people believe.
Speaker 4: Is a Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: I felt it compelling that it's one of the most
Speaker 1: famous things that you'll find in Bigfoot lore. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that people point too often
Speaker 1: that are trying to confirm.
Speaker 4: The existence of these creatures.
Speaker 1: What's better than saying a US president wrote about this
Speaker 1: guy who got killed by sasquatch.
Speaker 4: Right, they have to exist.
Speaker 1: If that's your narrative, then that's one of the best stories.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 1: But I felt compelled to put it in the book
Speaker 1: because it is one of those stories that most people
Speaker 1: have heard about. I put the Albert Osman story in
Speaker 1: the book. It's one of the most compelling stories. The
Speaker 1: Abe Canyon story is top tier when it comes to
Speaker 1: sasquatch lore. Right, these guys that were attacked in this cabin.
Speaker 1: Mark Marcel, who was generous enough to give me a
Speaker 1: couple of great photos. He's forgotten more about the eight
Speaker 1: Kenyon incident from nineteen twenty four than most of us
Speaker 1: will ever know, and he provided me with a couple
Speaker 1: of those photographs in the book. So shout out to you, Mark.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But I felt a compelling to put
Speaker 1: those in there, because sometimes that's all we really have
Speaker 1: when it comes to belief in Bigfoot. Right, you just
Speaker 1: have to take these stories like the Bauman incident, or
Speaker 1: you take the Ape Canyon story or you take Albert
Speaker 1: Osman who was supposedly kidnapped by a sasquatch and spend
Speaker 1: like seven days with these things in the woods right
Speaker 1: until he made his escape with a snubcan I find
Speaker 1: those stories very compelling. Some of them are hard to believe.
Speaker 1: The Baman incident, it could have been anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were out in the middle of nowhere, there were
Speaker 1: in the wilds. It could have been any creature. It
Speaker 1: could have been another person that took this guy out.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that Roosevelt thought enough of the story to
Speaker 1: include it in his book, because I think he felt
Speaker 1: at least that's just my opinion. Obviously, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I felt like he thought there was more to the story.
Speaker 1: That's why he felt compelled enough to put it in
Speaker 1: his book. And obviously a lot of years later here
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, I'm still talking about it in
Speaker 1: my books. It's one of those things that when you
Speaker 1: deal in anecdotal stories like I do. Sasquatch Outsy is
Speaker 1: the story based podcast. People who have experiences come on
Speaker 1: and share their experiences, and you take what you want,
Speaker 1: you leave the rest. You believe it or not, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. They're their experiences. But that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I wanted to talk about in the
Speaker 1: book to lay the foundation for Look, these things have
Speaker 1: been happening for a long time.
Speaker 4: These stories are out there from.
Speaker 1: Years and years and years ago, whether it was Roosevelt's time,
Speaker 1: whether it was nineteen twenty four with a canyon. The
Speaker 1: Osman story happened almost simultaneously in the same time that
Speaker 1: the Ape Canyon story happened. And these things have continued
Speaker 1: throughout the fifties is when you started having Jerry crue
Speaker 1: and Bigfoot was coined in sixty seven. You have the
Speaker 1: Patterson Gimlin film. Yeah, and it's continued to happen throughout
Speaker 1: history to this very day. People continue to have experiences
Speaker 1: that they can't explain. When you get to the end
Speaker 1: of the book, a little bit of a spoiler for you.
Speaker 1: I know you're not there yet, but people have asked me,
Speaker 1: people have poked fun a couple of people and a
Speaker 1: couple of Facebook groups. There's a Coalition for Critical Thinking
Speaker 1: and Sasquatch Research Group, and these guys are complete skeptics,
Speaker 1: and most of them are synics when it comes to Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, when was.
Speaker 1: Sasquatch unleashed and how did you find out the truth?
Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line for Bigfoot and most of all
Speaker 1: this stuff, when it boils down to it, the truth
Speaker 1: is really what you choose to believe. Right Your truth
Speaker 1: is different from my truth. Somebody else might have a
Speaker 1: different truth.
Speaker 4: It's all up to you.
Speaker 1: You've listened to the stories, you do your own research,
Speaker 1: you have your own experiences. What you choose to believe
Speaker 1: is the truth for you, maybe different from me.
Speaker 4: The truth is the truth, whether it's yours or mine.
Speaker 3: Sure, can you walk us through in detail by your
Speaker 3: UFU experience?
Speaker 4: Are you taking notes? Made? I love it so? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first experience was when I was sixteen with my mom.
Speaker 1: We weren't in the same house. We moved out of
Speaker 1: the haunted house where I had the Bigfoot experience. She'd
Speaker 1: divorced my dad. We were living there with my sister
Speaker 1: and me and her. It was during the summertime. She'd
Speaker 1: went out to the store. Again, We're in very small town.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe there's a store open. It must
Speaker 1: have been a convenience store that she went to for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. But she comes back and my mom walks
Speaker 1: in the door and she's like, get off the phone.
Speaker 1: You gotta come outside. She did a nact like that,
Speaker 1: I'm on the phone, hang up the phone and come
Speaker 1: outside now, okay.
Speaker 4: Hung the phone up and walk in the backyard.
Speaker 1: And she just walks out and she points straight up
Speaker 1: and it's almost like a scene out of a movie.
Speaker 4: She's like dead eyes, like wow. So I look up.
Speaker 1: It's like this, I don't know, probably seven to eight
Speaker 1: hundred foot craft floating in the air, maybe twelve fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred feet above us. And it's just floating. There's no noise,
Speaker 1: there's no lights. It wasn't bright metallic. It was like
Speaker 1: a Matt slash bright metallic. No scenes, no rivets, no nothing,
Speaker 1: just one solid piece.
Speaker 4: Of metal floating.
Speaker 1: The moonlight is the only light that's reflecting off of
Speaker 1: there's no other light. It just goes down behind this
Speaker 1: ridge behind our house and disappears. It's gone, and we're
Speaker 1: just standing there in awe, like, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: did we just see? I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to describe the feeling that we had at the moment.
Speaker 1: All Right, I knew it wasn't a plane, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a helicopter. It wasn't a balloon, it wasn't a blimp.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that it could have been other than what
Speaker 1: we saw was this huge metallic craft fifteen hundred feet
Speaker 1: above us in the air, floating down and disappearing. So
Speaker 1: my mom's one of those people that she has to
Speaker 1: have answers. She's kind of like me. She's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm calling the police. She called radio stations, she called
Speaker 1: everybody she could possibly call. And I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: ever saw it. I think, and how could nobody else
Speaker 1: experience this? We clearly saw it. She's not crazy. I'm
Speaker 1: not crazy. We saw the same thing. She saw this
Speaker 1: thing driving home. She was speeding getting home because she
Speaker 1: was afraid it was going to disappear before she could
Speaker 1: get somebody else to say, there's this thing, right, So,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Ann.
Speaker 4: It was weird.
Speaker 1: It was probably one of the weirdest experiences that I've
Speaker 1: ever had, because there was no doubt it was so close.
Speaker 1: Fifteen hundred feet is not that far up in the sky.
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot, but when you're thinking about it,
Speaker 1: we see planes fly over us at thirty thirty two
Speaker 1: thousand feet and you can pretty much make out exactly
Speaker 1: what it is, right, But it's a plane. But this
Speaker 1: thing had no noise, no lights, no nothing, and it
Speaker 1: just disappeared behind the ridge behind our house. I've had
Speaker 1: other UFO experiences since then, but it's been farther off.
Speaker 1: It's been lights in the sky. The most recent was
Speaker 1: last October. I went up to Radium Hot Springs in BC, Canada.
Speaker 1: I was up there for seven days on a Bigfoot
Speaker 1: expedition with Todd standing at his research area. The second
Speaker 1: night we were there researching Bigfoot, we weren't really having
Speaker 1: a whole lot of activity.
Speaker 4: We had some whoops.
Speaker 1: We ended up having rocks thrown at us and some
Speaker 1: other things. That night we saw UFOs. That night, I
Speaker 1: looked up in the sky. The sky was beautiful. It's
Speaker 1: wide open, We're eighteen miles deep in the woods. There's
Speaker 1: no light pollution. Most beautiful sky I've ever seen. I'm
Speaker 1: looking up and I see this dot of light and
Speaker 1: it looks like you could see the planes at thirty
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand feet flying in formation. We'd see a
Speaker 1: plane maybe every couple.
Speaker 4: Of hours or whatever. They weren't about thirty thousand feet.
Speaker 1: These things were probably estimate and it's a total estimation.
Speaker 1: Seventy eighty thousand feet in elevation, and I'm watching these
Speaker 1: little they're just little balls of light. There was one,
Speaker 1: then there was two. I mean at one point, I
Speaker 1: think we were watching twelve. At one time there was
Speaker 1: three of us watching these lights. We went in and
Speaker 1: got binoculars. It's all we had.
Speaker 4: We didn't have anything.
Speaker 1: Other than binocular but it was a little bit different
Speaker 1: than just the naked eye.
Speaker 4: We could see a little bit better.
Speaker 1: There were white and blue balls of light, and I
Speaker 1: was watching one at one point, and I'm estimating there
Speaker 1: were probably I don't know, I say eighteen hundred to
Speaker 1: two thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 4: This thing was moving.
Speaker 1: It's going straight up in the sky. In relation to me.
Speaker 1: It's going straight up. It stops and makes a left
Speaker 1: hand turn ninety degrees and shoots off at probably eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred to two thousand miles an hour. It was the
Speaker 1: craziest thing I'd ever seen. And we watched these things
Speaker 1: for hours. We had a shooting star, then another one,
Speaker 1: and at one point we're standing there were all three
Speaker 1: focused on this area sky and I see out of
Speaker 1: my peripheral I guess it.
Speaker 4: Was a meteorite.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a meteor media, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the right terminology is. This thing comes
Speaker 1: from left to right, it goes over. We all stop
Speaker 1: looking at what we're looking at and we focus on
Speaker 1: the It just explodes into this color. It's just I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this, dude.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: The people are probably like this, what is this dude smoking?
Speaker 1: I mean, he has got to be on something. But
Speaker 1: I swear it's the truth. We're there for Bigfoot, right,
Speaker 1: we don't care about aliens or UFOs. But it was
Speaker 1: some of the wildest stuff we'd seen that night. Kyle
Speaker 1: and Richard, who were with me there around the campfire,
Speaker 1: that were like, this is the wildest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I've seen this stuff before, but
Speaker 1: that was a wild night. I've never seen anything like
Speaker 1: that in the sky. And people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course it was. You were watching meteors, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what a media, I know what a meteorite is.
Speaker 1: Oh well, those things that you were watching were probably
Speaker 1: just satellites. I don't know any satellites that stop in
Speaker 1: the middle of their trajectory make an immediate left hand
Speaker 1: turn and go ninety two grees in the opposite direction.
Speaker 4: That did it for me.
Speaker 1: Man, if there was every any doubt about what I
Speaker 1: was seeing at that point, it could have been a plane.
Speaker 1: Anybody who was flying that plane would have been crushed
Speaker 1: like a bug on a windshield.
Speaker 4: That would have been doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it was definitely interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely interesting. Indeed, Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: It seems like these, uh, these experiences have tended to
Speaker 3: follow you throughout your life. She was like, you're I
Speaker 3: don't want to scare you, but it seems like you're
Speaker 3: either curse or bust man, because you could actually talk
Speaker 3: about these experiences, but following you is kind of a
Speaker 3: scary thing to think about it.
Speaker 1: It's so funny you said the time there, because let
Speaker 1: me tell you, when I started my show Sasquatch outa
Speaker 1: sy I used to say, I was very skeptical. I'm
Speaker 1: still skeptical when it comes to everything, honestly, even my
Speaker 1: own experiences. And I would say to people, it's really
Speaker 1: odd to have people. You have people come on and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen Bigfoot five times. Okay, yeah, really, all right,
Speaker 1: you've seen them five times? Oh yeah, have you ever
Speaker 1: had a UFO experiences?
Speaker 4: Said?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've seen UFOs mm hmm.
Speaker 4: What about ghosts? Oh yeah, I've lived in a lot house.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, there's no way that all the stuff's
Speaker 1: happened to this one person. And I used to go
Speaker 1: and I'd kind of write them off. And I was
Speaker 1: talking to somebody. I was actually on another podcast at
Speaker 1: some point the host keeps looking at me as I
Speaker 1: tell my experiences. What's funny, Brian, you're that person. You've
Speaker 1: now had all these experiences, And I'm thinking, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just became that person. So I've never done that
Speaker 1: since I've always said somebody has multiple experiences. I might
Speaker 1: lift my eyebrow and I might shake my head a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I can't doubt it because I've had
Speaker 1: experiences that I can't explain. I guess it's not uncommon
Speaker 1: for people to do that. But it's interesting you say
Speaker 1: that it follows you because I think, again, it goes
Speaker 1: back to what Preston said, it's so weird, and I
Speaker 1: think it's more of a mundane explanation that I have
Speaker 1: experiences with UFOs and I've seen these things that I've
Speaker 1: seen because I look up in the sky. Most people
Speaker 1: don't do that, right. I do it when I'm in
Speaker 1: a car and somebody else is driving. I'm watching the
Speaker 1: sky and see what's happening. I pay attention to my surroundings.
Speaker 1: Some of the weird things that I found here on
Speaker 1: our property and possibly related to Bigfoot in other places.
Speaker 1: It's because I'm looking for it. I don't necessarily look
Speaker 1: for ghosts, but I'm open to that. I listen to experiences,
Speaker 1: and I try to have experiences, whatever they are, and
Speaker 1: let them play out, and I'm in tune with it.
Speaker 1: So I think it's probably less of a woo thing
Speaker 1: of oh yeah, Bigfoot's following you, or UFOs are following you,
Speaker 1: or ghosts are following you. I think it's more of
Speaker 1: just being open to the experience. Once you open yourself
Speaker 1: up to the possibility of these things is being real,
Speaker 1: the more apt you are to having some sort of
Speaker 1: an experience with them. Because if you say everything's fake
Speaker 1: and nothing's happening, what kind of experiences are you really
Speaker 1: going to have? Unless something slaps you on the face
Speaker 1: or Bigfoot drags you off into the woods, are you
Speaker 1: really going to have an experience.
Speaker 3: No, not gonna be open to you, Right, That's how
Speaker 3: I look at it. No, that's definitely interesting. I think
Speaker 3: we think the same what a coach. You have to
Speaker 3: be open to these experiences and open to people's experiences
Speaker 3: because we're all dealing with things, whether it's physical or spiritual.
Speaker 3: It's up to you to believe it. What's the truth
Speaker 3: for you? No one's really gonna know the truth, but
Speaker 3: what's the truth for you? I wanted to follow up
Speaker 3: with a question with that. Do you feel like these
Speaker 3: things out here observing us or what's there agenda?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like they're here to harm us or
Speaker 3: to kind of just do no harm to us and
Speaker 3: just let us know that they're here. Like what's your
Speaker 3: opinion on that?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it would. Are you talking like aliens?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about ghost are you talking what are
Speaker 1: were you talking about?
Speaker 3: Well you could go we could talk about the aliens
Speaker 3: and the cryptids, like do you think they're here to
Speaker 3: observe us, to let us know that they're here, or
Speaker 3: to harm us? Because people have had those experiences where
Speaker 3: they feel like those things are there to harm them
Speaker 3: or like alien abductions and stuff like that. What's your
Speaker 3: take on that.
Speaker 1: That's one of those questions I've pondered specifically with aliens
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of negative experiences people have. Again,
Speaker 1: I've talked to people. Preston, I had a lady on
Speaker 1: the show, and her name escapes me. I apologize. She
Speaker 1: came on the show with the last time I had
Speaker 1: Preston On and she had experiences Dolly.
Speaker 4: I believe it was her name, Dolly. She'd written a
Speaker 4: book recently.
Speaker 1: And she had a lot of wild experiences that she
Speaker 1: claimed that she was abducted early as a child. Her
Speaker 1: earliest memory was being a baby being abducted by aliens.
Speaker 1: She's come to a point full circle where they have
Speaker 1: taught her and she flies alien ships to other galaxies.
Speaker 1: She's had what she believes to be positive experiences with
Speaker 1: what people would describe as alien or etes or extraterrestrials.
Speaker 1: But I said to her, Preston and I kind of
Speaker 1: got into a little tiff about it because they don't
Speaker 1: like to use the word, and I say they Preston
Speaker 1: and Dolly and some other people that I've had experiences
Speaker 1: talking with that have been abductees they have been abducted
Speaker 1: from their homes or their cars. You're being taken against
Speaker 1: your wheel. And my argument was this, I don't care
Speaker 1: who it is or what it is, whether it's a
Speaker 1: person or an or a bigfoot or NeSSI or a unicorn.
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is you're talking about. If
Speaker 1: something is taking you from your home or your workplace
Speaker 1: or your car against your wheel without your consent, that
Speaker 1: is a violent interaction. That's just my opinion. That's abduction.
Speaker 1: You're going against your wheel. They like to use the
Speaker 1: word now contact e Preston was like, no, these are contact.
Speaker 1: Ease with abductee tends to have this negative connotation and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well it should because you're being taken by
Speaker 1: aliens out of your house and you don't want to go.
Speaker 4: Sure, I believe.
Speaker 1: There could be some nefarious things going on, because I've
Speaker 1: had contact with people and talked to people in the
Speaker 1: past who have worked particular cases, have worked with people
Speaker 1: that disappeared. There was one particular incident that I can remember.
Speaker 1: I had an investigator that I was in contact with
Speaker 1: who had worked with a mother and a daughter who
Speaker 1: were very afraid for their life because they were having
Speaker 1: constant activity with what they believed to be extra terrestrials,
Speaker 1: and he lost contact with them and they have never
Speaker 1: been found since they were calling him telling him that
Speaker 1: these things were coming and taking them from their house.
Speaker 1: If you go on that, I would say, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a big possibility that there's probably some nefarious things going on.
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing that's interesting to me. I
Speaker 1: had conversations with people who claim that aliens and humans
Speaker 1: have had interactions for decades. There's rumors and conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: about US presidents in the past meeting with making treaties
Speaker 1: with extraterrestrials for whatever reason.
Speaker 4: I have always said.
Speaker 1: This, if you can come and take me through a wall,
Speaker 1: do you really need a treaty with anybody to just say, oh,
Speaker 1: we won't do that, Well, only take cows. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. So that kind of stuff has always sort
Speaker 1: of been EH. I don't really necessarily buy into that.
Speaker 1: I think these things can do whatever they want, whenever
Speaker 1: they want, and I think the bottom line is we're
Speaker 1: lucky they haven't done more than they already have.
Speaker 4: That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: I still think that it's possible that they may take
Speaker 1: people and possibly animals for different reasons and maybe bring
Speaker 1: people back. I know people who have claimed I've interviewed
Speaker 1: people who have implants in their body today that believe
Speaker 1: they're extraterrestrial in nature. Why they've done it for so
Speaker 1: many decades and continue to do it, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think it certainly happens. If you're taking people
Speaker 1: out of their homes against their will, without their knowledge,
Speaker 1: putting things in their body without their knowledge and or
Speaker 1: against their will, I think that's pretty nefarious. And as
Speaker 1: far as cryptis are concerned, there's plenty of people.
Speaker 4: Who have theories.
Speaker 1: David Polites has written the entire series of I think
Speaker 1: seven books at this point about the Missing four one one,
Speaker 1: and although he never says it out loud, he certainly
Speaker 1: implies that Bigfoot is possibly at fault for some of
Speaker 1: these disappearances. And so if these things exist, they certainly
Speaker 1: have the propensity for violence, because we're humans, and any
Speaker 1: grade epe has the propensity for violence.
Speaker 4: So I think anything can happen.
Speaker 1: But I don't think every one of them is a
Speaker 1: bloodthirsty killer. I've documented strong worries where people have found
Speaker 1: bodies that they believe were killed by dog men. I
Speaker 1: think it's a possibility. Certainly, it's always a possibility if
Speaker 1: you're just talking.
Speaker 4: About human beings.
Speaker 1: Human beings, by nature can do some very bad things
Speaker 1: to each other. So I think we're just talking about
Speaker 1: aliens and cryptids, that is a possibility. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's necessarily the norm. I think it might be the exception,
Speaker 1: not the rule, luckily for us, because if they wanted
Speaker 1: to take us, they certainly could.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: So I want to ask you, what made you write
Speaker 3: this book? What do you want people to take from
Speaker 3: this book? What made you do it?
Speaker 1: It's something that I wanted to add to the conversation.
Speaker 1: I wanted to add my voice to the overall narrative
Speaker 1: because I think there's so many books out there that
Speaker 1: just go over and rehash.
Speaker 4: Old theories and old.
Speaker 1: Thoughts on the subject. So I wanted to try to
Speaker 1: do something that was a little bit more fresh and new,
Speaker 1: and honestly, the main reason that I did it was
Speaker 1: to be a voice for scientific reasoning. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get into some of the science. I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about some of the things that we can do as
Speaker 1: investigators to be citizen scientists, And you haven't gotten there
Speaker 1: yet you're only on chapter five. You'll eventually get there.
Speaker 1: In the later chapters, I go into the scientific method.
Speaker 1: I talk about evidence. I break down the evidence that's
Speaker 1: out there. I talk about what is evidence, what isn't,
Speaker 1: some of the best ways to get some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I talk about fossilization, why we may not have found
Speaker 1: a body. I go into the fossilization process. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to be more of a scientific voice when it
Speaker 1: comes to bigfoot research and not just rehash old narratives.
Speaker 1: And I could have done fifteen books on nothing but
Speaker 1: just encounter stories that people love to read.
Speaker 4: Those are sensational.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, he was in the cabinet and the thing
Speaker 1: was outside the window. That's great, but it really doesn't
Speaker 1: move the ball down the field, right. I wanted to
Speaker 1: push the ball a little bit farther down the field,
Speaker 1: hopefully with the research, give people that may be looking
Speaker 1: to get in the subject, maybe into the subject and
Speaker 1: really don't know how to help push that ball down
Speaker 1: the field, to give them at least my perspective on
Speaker 1: how they can do that, and give them a little
Speaker 1: bit of a baseline.
Speaker 4: To start from. Well, very well put.
Speaker 3: So, before we wrap this episode up, Brian Kidso the
Speaker 3: audience one more time where they can find you and
Speaker 3: your work, please.
Speaker 1: Yes, the best way is to a You could search
Speaker 1: it on wherever you're listening to us right now, on
Speaker 1: any of your podcast apps Sasquatch Odyssey podcast, I do
Speaker 1: the True Crime Odyssey podcast, I do that Bigfoot podcast,
Speaker 1: and I do the Backwoods big Foot Stories podcast. You
Speaker 1: can find those anywhere you listen to podcasts. But the
Speaker 1: best place is just go to Piranoworldproductions dot com and
Speaker 1: you can find us there. You can find it about
Speaker 1: me section, you can lead me a voicemail, you can.
Speaker 4: Send me an email. You can buy one of the
Speaker 4: books there.
Speaker 1: I autograph the books if you buy it off the website,
Speaker 1: and we send those out a couple of times a week.
Speaker 1: Then you can see all the other shows. Every episode
Speaker 1: we do. We do blog posts and you can see
Speaker 1: some cool videos, photos and anything related to the show there.
Speaker 3: Brian, thanks for being on apocalyptic Anomalies for guys to
Speaker 3: always innovate, honesty and always illuminate the truth.
Speaker 2: Do