WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:06.360 It's Night Side with Dan Way on WBS Boston's news video. 2 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:11.560 I'll thank you very much for that little promo. Not 3 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:15.240 only am I here tonight, I'm here through the rest 4 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:19.519 of the week, next Monday and next Tuesday, filling in 5 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.039 for Dan. Dan has a nice week and a half 6 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:26.199 long holiday given to him by the powers that be, 7 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:31.000 and he'll be back to begin the new year. But 8 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:35.200 I am here, and I've got a whole letherack of guests. 9 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.159 And this next gentleman the start off my week, is 10 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:42.640 a man you can talk to about the Twilight Zone 11 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.320 because he's written a book about the Twilight Zone. And 12 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:50.320 the man who's written several books are Bond. James Bond, 13 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:57.359 Bond's gadgets, the litany of all the movies he just 14 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.399 doesn't stop creating with his type. 15 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.520 At the computer. Steven J. Rubin, good evening to you. 16 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:06.879 Good evening, Morgan. It's good to hear your voice. 17 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:08.799 Good to hear your voice too. 18 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:15.959 And I am going to entertain phone traffic on both issues, 19 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:20.959 Bond and the Twilight Zone. I'm sure we should get 20 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:23.879 many a person calling in tonight that we want to 21 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:28.760 discuss both and what got you inter Let's do one 22 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:32.280 at a time. What got you interested in the Twilight Zone. 23 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:37.480 Well, it's a good question. I'm a working screenwriter in Hollywood. 24 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:42.200 There can be literally years between making sales, and rather 25 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.959 than sitting around waiting for Hollywood to come to their senses, 26 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.280 I decide I've got to get back to book writing. 27 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.840 And I had been a big fan of a book 28 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:56.200 by Mark Zakree called The Twilight Zone Companion, which had 29 00:01:56.239 --> 00:02:00.200 been published in nineteen eighty two. But I have I'd 30 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:03.920 had success with a James Bond movie encyclopedia, and I 31 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.919 thought that The Zone would be perfect fodder for an 32 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:16.240 encyclopedia format, and that brought me to Chicago Review Press, 33 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:20.520 and they loved the idea of doing a Twilight Zone encyclopedia, 34 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:25.360 particularly because of all the people involved in the series, 35 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.800 particularly the actors. I would maintain that The Twilight Zone, 36 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:34.439 over its original first five years, had the best cast 37 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.479 ever in a TV series, clearly. 38 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:43.520 And I'm going to give you something I noticed last weekend. Periodically, 39 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.360 I will watch The Wild Wild West on me TV 40 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:49.039 and they show that at ten o'clock in the morning 41 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:53.840 on Saturday, and it was the episode with Agnes Moorehead 42 00:02:54.639 --> 00:03:00.319 and she was just so dulled up, and she she 43 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:05.719 looked fantastic. And a few days before that, I saw 44 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:11.400 the Twilight Zone when she was the no lines at all, 45 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:16.400 but she was the frightened little old lady in her shack, 46 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:22.800 and all of a sudden, UFO and UFO appeared and 47 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:24.919 we found out the hook at the end. Not to 48 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.479 be a spoiler, but if you don't know that episode, 49 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:35.719 blocky ears because it was a craft from Earth that 50 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:36.639 wound up frightening. 51 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:43.400 Now, Twilight Zone played so interestingly with their subject matters. 52 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.240 You saw so many different types of shows you wouldn't 53 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.439 see anywhere else, and you know, here it is. Let's see, 54 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.719 the first episode went on the air in the fall 55 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:58.879 of fifty nine, so we're talking sixty five years ago. 56 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:03.560 Sixty five years ago, which is insane. And I maintain 57 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.319 you can watch those episodes today and they're still as 58 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:10.039 fresh as they were when they first were on, probably 59 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.400 because no one has matched the quality. 60 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:14.960 And you know what I do watch. 61 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:18.439 I watched them on Sci Fi Channel, I watched them 62 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:25.000 on MeTV, and no one has matched the quality. Even 63 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:29.560 they tried to reboot Twilight Zone on a couple of occasions, 64 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:34.279 and they fell short of their own mark. They fell 65 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:39.560 short well you know Indes. 66 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.360 Oh yeah, And more recently with Jordan Peele. Jordan Peele, 67 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:47.399 the film director, producer abroad off I know, it's funny 68 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.279 you show a black and white show to a younger 69 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:55.959 person today and there's a lot of resistance, like Dad, 70 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.600 why am I watching this show from sixty years ago? 71 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.839 And it's like an alien art form? But you put 72 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:09.319 the twilight zone in color and you lose something. And 73 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.560 I thought about this a lot while I was watching 74 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:16.360 the encyclopedia I was writing an encyclopedia, is that when 75 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:20.480 you're watching a black and white show, it's supposed to 76 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.639 be a little alien to you. It takes you out 77 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:28.240 of your sweet spot. Everything is magnified. It's because it's 78 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.759 not the color you're used to, so you're off balance. 79 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.839 And the other thing I noticed, after watching five years 80 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:38.199 of episodes, one hundred and fifty six episodes, is that 81 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:43.000 there was virtually no product placement in the show. Nothing familiar, 82 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:48.120 nothing like a Union seventy six station or a McDonald's 83 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:52.120 or the equivalent of nineteen sixties America. And that was 84 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.839 determined by Rod Sterling that he didn't want you to 85 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:00.319 become too familiar with your surroundings, so you question every thing, 86 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.759 and sometimes you were surprised at what you discovered. 87 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:06.399 And the key is. 88 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.680 There are black and white shows sprinkled along current television. 89 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.639 The Andrey Griffith Show their first five or six years, 90 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:21.600 the first season of Gilligan's Island, all of the Alfred Hitchcocks, 91 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:27.120 just to name a few. And it holds attention if 92 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:31.879 you let it, and you have to let it. And 93 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.600 if you're my age, I'm seventy one. 94 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:36.800 And if you're. 95 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.600 Over fifty five or sixty years old and you watch 96 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.720 TV when you were in elementary school, you remember when 97 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:48.800 TV was all black and white except for Bonanza. 98 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:53.959 Oh I remember. I remember the logo for NBC the 99 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:57.439 following program is brought to you in living color. 100 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.160 There you go, and the peak cock Feathers switched an 101 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.199 interchange until they locked in to the way. 102 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:07.639 That image I just resented. I think. 103 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.519 I think the first show I remember watching in color 104 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.279 was not Bonanza, but was the Wonderful World of Disney. 105 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.639 I think that on Sun's Nights, the Disney show was 106 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:20.639 in color, and that was pretty sweet. 107 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:26.000 The world is a fabulous world of color anyway, don't 108 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:29.279 don't give me song cues because I can't resist them. 109 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.199 I've got to take a break. And when we come 110 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.600 back to them, break our first called me Nick and Charlestown. 111 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:41.199 Anyone else wants to join Nick on hold six one, seven, five, 112 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.920 four to ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine, 113 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.759 ten thirty. Rob Brooks is on the phones tonight per 114 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:52.480 usual here on Nightside. This is Nightside. Dan Ray is 115 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:59.480 off for the next nine days. I am here until 116 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:04.360 the thirty first of December. On the first of the year, 117 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.680 Dan will be back, I promise you. 118 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:08.439 So. 119 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:09.319 I've got Stephen J. 120 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:12.879 Rubin here and we're talking both about the Twilight Zone, 121 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.319 and we'll kick in a few words about James Bond 122 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:21.199 as well. Again, this is Nightside. The time here in 123 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:26.079 Nightside eight fifteen, temperature twenty five degrees. 124 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:30.279 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 125 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:38.759 Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. 126 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.639 There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known 127 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:43.200 to man. 128 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:45.879 It is a dimension as vast. 129 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.200 As space and as timeless as infinity. It is the 130 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:55.279 middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, 131 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:59.080 and it lies between the pit of man's fears and 132 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:03.960 the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. 133 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:08.840 It is an area which we call the twilight zone. 134 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.919 That is our subject tonight here on night Side, I'm 135 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:15.919 Morgan filling. 136 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:16.159 It for Dan. 137 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.480 And if you would like to call in six one, seven, two, five, four, 138 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.320 ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine, ten thirty, 139 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.519 we welcome you. When I say we, I've got a 140 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.600 gentleman who's written a number of books, and we will 141 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.000 talk about James Bond shortly, but we're talking about the 142 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:40.279 twilight Zone. And before I take our next call, who's 143 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:45.720 been patiently holding uh Stephen? Why was there a change 144 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.879 periodically in the opening. I know the four famous notes 145 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:52.879 of do do do Do Do Do Do Do Do 146 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.960 Do do doo is the theme everybody remembers. But why 147 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:58.679 was there a change or do you know? 148 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:04.639 Well, you had Bernard Herman doing the music. And Bernard 149 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.000 Herman was the wonderful composer. They were lucky to get him. 150 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:12.000 He did all the Hitchcock films, the Sinbad films. When 151 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:16.000 they introduced the Twilight Zone theme by Marius Constant, the 152 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:22.600 French composer, they decided to rejigger the opening words, and 153 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.000 every so often they would hone it, and I just 154 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.559 think it was like freshening up the series. 155 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:28.799 A little bit. 156 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.799 Okay, I'm just curious about that. I've had Nick holding 157 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:37.960 for eleven minutes. So Nick, it's your turn to speak 158 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:38.600 with Stephen J. 159 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:40.759 Rubin. Welcome to Night's Side. 160 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.879 Good evening, gentlemen, Happy holidays, Happy holidays. 161 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:46.200 See you. 162 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.879 Yeah, Stephen, I wanted to mention two of my favorite episodes, 163 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.600 but before that, I'd like to ask you a question. 164 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:59.159 In your opinion, which episode do you think is the 165 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.919 most popular episode. I've got one of three. I'm thinking 166 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.320 either I of the Beholder to Serve Man or Nightmare 167 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.519 at twenty thousand Feet. Would you consider one of those 168 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.639 three the most popular episodes? 169 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.679 Yes, you pick three of the best episodes and three 170 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.159 of the most popular. I would throw in the Burgess 171 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:25.840 Meredith episode which is called time Enough at Last, which 172 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:27.320 I think is also good. 173 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.320 And maybe the Monster's ad on Maple Street too. Possibly. 174 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:37.799 Yeah, you know, there are so many excellent episodes. You'll 175 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.320 have to forgive me, everybody, because I'm getting over a colt, 176 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:41.600 so I'm coughing a little bit here. 177 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.320 We'll deal with it. Don't worry about that. 178 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.480 But I did you know? Go ahead, I'm sorry. 179 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:50.120 Oh, I'll go ahead. 180 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:50.919 No, go ahead, go ahead. 181 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:56.279 No, I'm I'm telling you ton't have anything to say, 182 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.080 but keep talking. I'm sorry. 183 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.759 So I wanted to mention two of my favorite episodes. 184 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.399 One from the first season in When the Sky was Opened. 185 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:08.840 Oh with Rod Taylor. 186 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:13.159 Yeah, that's a yes, that is a very cool episode. 187 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:16.559 You know, it's interesting the episodes that run. 188 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.879 What happened, Oh, we're here? 189 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:24.720 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you got off the because 190 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:30.279 I'm in the car. The episodes that run well, the 191 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:35.080 ones they run in heavy rotation in the marathons always 192 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.919 seem to be the same episodes. So like When the 193 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:42.600 Sky Opens sometimes isn't run And that's a really terrific episode. 194 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:48.240 You know, some of the episodes literally have disappeared because 195 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:54.639 there was some controversy. Uh the encounter which starred George 196 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:59.279 Oh yeah, Neville Brand. Yeah, that's the one where the gardener, 197 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.600 the Japanese American gardener confronts the ex marine in his attic, 198 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:10.360 and that that featured some dialogue that wasn't accurate. They 199 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:13.440 you know, they say in the episode that the Japanese 200 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:17.399 had spies at Pearl Harbor who were Japanese Americans and 201 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.639 that was not true. So they got a lot of 202 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.879 flak from the Japanese American community. So that episode literally 203 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:28.039 never ran again. It's popped up since. But I think 204 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.360 with an explanation. 205 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.000 Yeah that that is a great episode. Yeah, I've seen that. 206 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.879 And the other episode I wanted to mention real quick 207 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:43.799 is Richard Matthews Richard Matthewson episode Uh Diana Highland spur. 208 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:50.720 Of the moment. Oh yeah, yeah, that's the one where 209 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.320 she keeps seeing that figure. 210 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:58.559 Yes, yeah, yeah, her doppel ganger. 211 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.480 Yeah, that's a creepy episod. So there's something for everybody 212 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.360 in the Twilight Zone, that's for sure. 213 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:10.240 Well absolutely, okay, Johonna mean, thank you, Nick, thank you 214 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:10.759 for your call. 215 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.480 Than Happy holidays to you. All right, let's go too. 216 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.879 I think this young lady spoke with you the last 217 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.639 time I had you on Allison. You've got Stephen J. 218 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.360 Rubin, Oh hello, Hi. Yeah, I'm big sanatic about old TV, 219 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:30.759 the same way Morgan is and you are. Mister Reuben. 220 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.399 I just thought he the one elements in one of 221 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.559 the episodes I want to talk about, but we talked 222 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.600 about I've talked about some of the famous ones and everything, 223 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:40.519 but he did mention it when and When the Sky 224 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.200 was Opened. I was gonna kind of mention tonight that 225 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.159 one and a couple of the other ones that that 226 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.039 I didn't when I was young. They didn't affect me 227 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.759 as much as they do now. And when the Sky 228 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.440 was Open, person a person's unknown and a world of 229 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.279 Difference with Howard Duff, where people are just really strange 230 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.240 things are happening, and their their lives are just falling 231 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.759 up from under them kind of and in a world 232 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:02.480 of in a world of a world of difference, I 233 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:06.240 should say. And and in that case, he's an actor 234 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.759 playing character, and he feels miserable in his own life. 235 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.960 He just wants to become the character essentially. And in 236 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.200 personal Person's an un Richard Long wakes up and and 237 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:18.000 nobody recognizes him or anything in his normal life. And 238 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:19.879 of course, and I think the most and and all 239 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.639 those are just very disquieting episodes. And I think and 240 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:25.759 then and when this Guy was Open is the most disturbing, 241 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:29.919 because it's not just the fact that that they're they're disappearing, 242 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.639 it's like it's the characters that they disappear one by one, 243 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.399 and it's a great ensemble cast. Uh what is it 244 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.000 Charles Aidman, Jim Hutton and Rod Taylor and uh and 245 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.679 but it's the fact that they never existed somehow, whatever 246 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.200 whatever the force is doing that, what is being done 247 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:46.720 to them alien or whatever it is after they went 248 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:48.600 up into space, it's making them as if they never 249 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.399 existed at all. And that is just so oh wow. 250 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.320 That just gets them under your skin. It really does. 251 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:55.320 I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the I 252 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.879 love the Christic Monster episodes and everything and all. They 253 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.720 were just full on scary ones, believe me. But there's 254 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.000 something about that that really those those that kind of 255 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.000 episode really lingers. 256 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.720 I think one was a Mathewson Also, I want to 257 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.279 just want to jump in real quickly. Also, the fact 258 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.559 that the story is told in a half hour such 259 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.440 a compact and effective story type, and I think that's 260 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.559 another thing that The Twilight Zone perfected. In four of 261 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.440 the five seasons, they had half hour episodes and they 262 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.360 were always very tightly written. 263 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.759 Mm hmm. Yeah, there was no Patty, although I like 264 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.480 some of the hour long ones too. Definitely, you do Morgan, right, 265 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:36.200 you love the one I was killing you more right, 266 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:37.519 So of. 267 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:43.000 Late, I think of Cliff is my favorite Twilight Zone episode. 268 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:47.679 Wow, And I like a miniature a lot with Robert Yvall. 269 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.080 I like that one a lot that was almost Yeah. 270 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:53.360 Don't get Alice, don't get me wrong. I also liked 271 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:58.159 the Hours. In fact, James wentmore episode on Thursday We 272 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:02.879 Leave for Home is one of my favorites. That the 273 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.160 Hours have been disparaged over the years as being kind 274 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:11.480 of you know, they they didn't they weren't as tight 275 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.279 as the original half hours, and that they were a 276 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.119 bit bloated. But I didn't find that at all. There's 277 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.200 just some great one hour episodes. And the reason there 278 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:24.119 was one hour episodes is they canceled the series at 279 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.480 the end of the third season and then they made 280 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:29.720 the mistake of putting a different show and that did 281 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:35.160 no ratings whatsoever. So James Aubrey, who couldn't stand Serling 282 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.359 or the format of anthology, he had to come with 283 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.880 his hat in his hands and ask Serling to do 284 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.559 a mid season replacement, and that's when they came up 285 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:48.039 with the one hour episode, the eighteen one Hours, which 286 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.359 of course are are really opponents. 287 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:52.839 Yeah, there were a lot of our long shows like 288 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.200 Thriller and Bod Carlos Thriller and and obviously the oter 289 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:57.960 limits of not Dations. So you know, there was such 290 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:59.920 good writing in those days. And don't get me start 291 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:02.359 James Aubery. He was one of those awful, awful people 292 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.440 that never should have gotten to where he was anyway. Yeah, 293 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.880 Dan Curtis made two Dark Shadows movies, and after you know, 294 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.240 when Dark Shadows was being towards the end of Dark Shadows, 295 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.119 and he made him cut the second one night Dark 296 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:15.440 Shadows by half an hour within just within a patter 297 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:17.960 of days, and it'll totally wreck the movie. And and 298 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:19.240 and he's just was awful. 299 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:20.359 Yeah. 300 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.759 He also he also sold the MGM lot to a developer, 301 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.400 was the one, Oh no, but which could have you 302 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.039 know that that is just a bunch of condominiums now, 303 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:36.079 but that could have outrivaled the Universal Lot as an attraction. 304 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:38.839 But yeah, it's pretty bad. 305 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:43.559 I don't speak ill of the dead, but why not anyway. 306 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:43.519 I gotta take a break. 307 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:45.400 Allison, Okay, good bye. 308 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.839 Thank you for your call, Allison. And if you have 309 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:54.079 a stopwatch and you time her call, she'll get more words. 310 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:55.720 In one minute than anybody I know. 311 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:00.799 She is just always on full wind up when we 312 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.519 allow her to come in. Anyway, I've got a news 313 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:06.880 hit to take and when we come back, maybe we'll 314 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:11.799 add a little James Bond into our conversation. Victor in Boston, 315 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.000 you will be next. I promise others. You want the 316 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.160 phone number, I'll give it to you. Six one, seven, two, five, 317 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.200 four ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, 318 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:25.039 ten thirty. This is night Side without Dan tonight. I'm 319 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:30.519 Morgan Time and temperature eight thirty twenty five degrees. 320 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:47.640 Night Side God is Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio. 321 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.640 You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of 322 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.799 sight and sound, but of mind, a journey into a 323 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.519 wondrous land whose boundaries or that of imagination. You're next stop, 324 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:01.039 the Twilight Zone. 325 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:05.880 I'm Morgan. 326 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:08.240 Dan is off tonight. He's off for the rest of 327 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.799 the year. He'll be back on the first of January 328 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:16.200 twenty twenty five. Stephen Jay Rubin is my guest. He 329 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:20.160 and I are talking about Twilight Zone and James Bond, 330 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.680 which you really haven't delved into as much. And I'm 331 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.920 remembering in my mind a lot of people used to 332 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.319 mimic Rod Serling and the opening of Twilight Zone. But 333 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.559 the best mimicker I ever saw was Dan Aykroyd. I 334 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:38.880 don't know how you feel about. 335 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:44.559 That, Steven, I'm not surprised. Dan was a huge fan 336 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.480 of the show, and of course he gets to play 337 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:52.680 a part in the Twilight Zone movie, which gets the 338 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:59.920 show office enthusiasm for the show. 339 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:05.599 That was the theme that they were playing trivia game. 340 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.200 That's right there you are. Let me bring Victor into 341 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.720 our conversation. Victor, thank you for being patient holding. Welcome 342 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.359 to Night's Side. 343 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:18.960 Hey Morgan, first time caller. 344 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:20.960 Welcome Victor. Thank you. 345 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.960 I'm a seventies and eighties kid. I'm actually a sixty 346 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:33.440 one year old kid. I'm an action adventure guy. But 347 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.119 if there's one show on my top ten list, the 348 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:38.119 top five. 349 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:41.079 Is The Twilight Zone. Okay, I will watch. 350 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.359 I will watch that regardless of anything else. I don't 351 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.359 care what's coming on or what's so called hot or whatever. 352 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:53.920 I have a tie for my two favorite episodes, it's 353 00:21:53.960 --> 00:22:01.000 scary to me. One was called the Howling Man and the 354 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.119 other one was with a Francis. He was a living 355 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.599 mannequin in the department store. 356 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:11.880 Right after hours, after hours. 357 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:12.279 After hours. 358 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:15.200 Yeah, both of those episodes. I always watching them with 359 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:17.279 the lights on, will around other people. 360 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:18.759 I don't watch them by myself. 361 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:24.119 The Howling The Howling Man is a great episode and 362 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:29.240 it is filled with filled with the atmosphere for the 363 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:32.720 listeners who don't know the episode. A man comes to 364 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.119 a monastery to seek a refuge in the stormy night, 365 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:42.079 manned by these very quiet monks. Uh, they haven't taken 366 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.440 a vow of silence, but they're they're very old school, 367 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.440 and they've managed to capture the devil and he's being 368 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:53.000 held in a cell in the underground part of this monastery. 369 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.799 And every night, this guy who's sleeping there, here's a howling, 370 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.000 and that's the setup. It is very very creepy. 371 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:08.279 Well, like I said, I watched that show every opportunity 372 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:13.359 I can get. Regardless, I don't really think there's some 373 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.359 things they're not really gonna be able to replicate. 374 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:17.480 That's one of them. 375 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:23.039 I've seen the film in eighty three, the first segment 376 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:25.880 of that with dan Aykroyd and the other act in 377 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:26.240 the car. 378 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:31.799 That was scary. Yeah, that was kind of scary. 379 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:35.160 But I don't really think they're gonna be able to 380 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:39.480 recreate a show like that, a redoer or reboot it, 381 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:40.400 I don't think so. 382 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:44.960 It has been attempted on a number of occasions, and 383 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.279 in my opinion, it always falls short. 384 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:55.519 Yeah, it's always shows what the original is. You really 385 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:57.200 won't be able to do anything with it. 386 00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.240 You're gonna leave it alone. 387 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:03.680 Margaret, what I was thinking of when we were earlier 388 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.799 talking about why the color episodes don't work. The other 389 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:13.119 thing that happens when you see these episodes now, a 390 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.599 lot of people don't know who these actors are because 391 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:21.480 they've been dead for many years. Adds another dimension of weirdness. 392 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.759 Who are these strange people and how are they caught 393 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.319 up in this weird show? So as the show gets older, 394 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:30.519 it can get even more effective. 395 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.480 They don't know who Frank Elletter is, they don't know 396 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.160 who Albert Salami is. They don't know They might know 397 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.519 Burgess Meredith from the Rocky films, but. 398 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:52.599 Actors like Jack Klugman, John Anderson, you know, Robert Redford 399 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.440 obviously is well known today, although not as well known 400 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:59.400 as they used to be. I mean, Charles Bronson, you know, 401 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.440