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Slaughter's back, Hey, John, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Pete and joining the holy week. How

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are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, the uh, I guess this is our week, right,

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this is our march madness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what's my March madness. I don't watch basketball.

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Speaker 1: This is all I got, all right, So man, we're

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gonna have to start calling you John Prolific. What is this?

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You're released two books in less than a year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and Bright actually in less than I think

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the novel came out January sixth, and this was about

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a month and a half after that, so yeah, it

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was pretty pretty quick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You have a full time job and a family,

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and I'm and I'm over here like and people tell me, oh,

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you know, you work really hard and everything, and then

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I'm look, I'm looking at what you do and I'm like,

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how do you do that?

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Speaker 2: My wife asked me the same thing. One of my

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secrets is I have a long commute, So whenever I

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want to write essays and things in my mind, I

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record myself talking them out, and then I go back

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and turn it into the written form. That's my that's

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my secret.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've had an idea for for something long the

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form for a while now, and I thought that that's

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the way would be the best would be best for

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me to do it would be to record it audio

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and then uh, and then transcribe it and see how

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I can clean it up, or more importantly, I have

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somebody who could clean it up for me. So but yeah, no,

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it's congratulations, it's uh the first book, Crimson Veil. I

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know Thomas covered covered the book very well on his

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on his podcast mind Phase or over on his sub stack.

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I really enjoyed that conversation a lot. And then you know,

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you you're you're like, oh, you know, let me uh,

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let me throw out another book because you know, hey,

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you know, I'm that smart and I'm that you know,

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I have so much to say called Dispatches from the

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Old South Repository. So why don't you give an overview

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of that and then we'll start jumping into some themes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Dispatches Pete is it's a collection of what

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I felt were the and and other people other people's

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input as well, but I felt were the best essays

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categories because the the the entirety of Dispatches covers a

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lot of ground. I mean, there's essays on culture, on religion,

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there's some I don't know if I know, I didn't

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include any of the film critique, but there's it's it's religion, culture,

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there's stuff about the South. There's advice for young men.

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was I was almost shocked at how much output I had,

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Speaker 1: Well, it's good that you frame it that way. I

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five hundred page book and trying to read a five

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hundred page book is rough, but if there are single

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that are that have been compiled and being able to

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of meant to be read as essay upon essay. But

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it probably goes with with I think the first essay

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of America, but but how it has decayed in a

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lot of ways, and how it has begun to fall apart.

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building blocks would be for the future, the sort of

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in preparation for whatever the future is going to look like.

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least probably some type of Balkanization or something, and that's

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going to come with, you know, downsizing, whether it's economically

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or you know, just in your local area being reduced

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to your local area. And so I wanted to kind

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of bring that part into it too, because it's not

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just a matter of like, Okay, these are the problems

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and things are falling apart, but what do you do

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about that? So so the overall theme is kind of

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looking at all of that and combining those together to

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kind of give an overview of what's happening and what

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we can do possibly or what you can do to

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mitigate those things or to improve on in the future.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned entropy and rebirth. Let's see, let's dive

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into that. It looks like you have some Hegelian and

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Spanglarian kind of influenced there, with like the cyclical nature

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of civilizations, which isn't history repeats itself, but that there

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is a cycle to the things, you know, as I

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think Spangler said that once the high culture reaches the

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civilization point, that's when things start to go into decline. So,

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you know, you talk about how the old Right had

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has a nostalgia for pre nineteen sixties America, but the

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New Right seems to be accepting its inevitable decline. And

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you even mentioned Batman's Batman Begins, which I think is

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probably the best movie out of all of them. When

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you're if you're looking for philosophy, and how Bruce Wayne

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wants to save Gotham, but rajah Gul's vision for rebirth

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like really mirrors a little bit more of how a

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lot of people on the New Right talk.

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Speaker 2: No exactly and that that that is the first essay

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which which I had titled The Fall of Gotham the

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Fall of America, because I was watching that film, you know,

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recent or well when I wrote this, right before I

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wrote this, and I realized that the same thing that

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you're watching Bruce Wayne, and he is sort of a

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stand in for the old Right and sort of the

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old guard of America. Not just because he wants to

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to save Gotham, right if Gotham's a stand in for America,

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but because he's looking at the Gotham that his father,

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that his father built, right, all the things his father

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did for the city, and the city still obviously he

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the city kills him right, and he's hell bent on

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on rebuilding or holding on to these things that he

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doesn't realize not only killed his father but also have

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left Gotham in the state that it is. And on

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the on the other end of it, you have rozoh Gull,

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who who does represent in many ways sort of the

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accelerationist point of view and explicitly from like the League

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of Shadows in the film there their philosophy is cyclical history.

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The only difference being that they claim that when they

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see the decay start to take hold at a certain point,

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they decide to sort of to sort of light the

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match right to speed things up. And so the real conflict.

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villain is because instead of taking sort of a passive

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approach and noticing that the declient is coming and it's inevitable,

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he wants to kickstart it right. And it's that part

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that turns them into a villain. But outside of that,

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you know, you see this conflict between the two of them,

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and they have these conversations, you know, multiple times, and

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every time at least in my opinion. You know, Bruce

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Wayne's character kind of walks away on the losing end

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of it because he doesn't have an answer. His answer

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is just like, well, I just want to save it.

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I just want to be the good guy. But he

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doesn't understand that. You know, the city's run by criminals,

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it's a crime infested, drug infested. You know, it's corrupted

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to its core, and all he's doing is helping it

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stay in that state longer, essentially. And this is the

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you'll notice that they they they see everything with rose

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colored glasses, but they also want to hold on to

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a pass that doesn't exist anymore. It's kind of like,

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about the dating market. Right. I'm married with kids, so

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I don't but I do think about it a lot

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long before he's probably interested in that. And when I

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I get kind of a blank stare and then they

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because they can't seem to see the situation for what

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old Right, they see a world that doesn't exist anymore,

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you know, and they can't fathom the idea that something

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new has to come or that something has has reached

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a point that it is no longer sustainable.

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Speaker 1: Right, and the New Right doesn't have to be like

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accelerationist to where you're like, oh, I want I want

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the money to supply to so you completely to be

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destroyed so that people suffer and then we have some

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kind of revolution. It could just be like, well, democracy

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doesn't work anymore. We need something new, and we can't

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fix Washington, DC. You know. For some of us think

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that Trump may try, but he's not going to be

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able to He's not going to have the will to

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do what needs to be done in order to absolutely

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tear down what's been built. There don't even know if

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we just want to a bunch of us want to

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move into the same area, and you have a shared

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culture and have that culture influence the politics of the town.

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go who would prefer having a morality that matches more

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the morality of the past, we can influence that on

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our own. So it doesn't necessarily have to be accelerationism

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to the point where you know, New York City's on

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fire or you know the Turner Diaries, but you you

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the ones who want to save everything. We're like, well,

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they'll just come and they'll they'll waco you and you know,

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and if you remember there, and I open

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the the essay with that quote where where ros Egill

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tells he tells Bruce Wayne that you know, when a

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that's sort of the most motivation behind the League of Shadows,

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is if we go ahead and do this now, it

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is going to alleviate some of the suffering in the

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future right now. I don't know that that's necessarily the

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best approach, but I do think on an individual level

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looking at it through the lens of this is going

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to happen, and what can I to do to prepare

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for it, right, like you said, whether that's that's you know,

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organizing communities around like minded individuals, or focusing on trying

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to shure up power in local politics because you know,

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if these things occur, which there's no reason to think

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they wouldn't, those local positions are going to become exponentially

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more influential and powerful, right, So accelerating sort of your

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preparedness for that, I think is a is a positive

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way to twist that accelerationsm away from you know, this

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sort of chaotic you know version that they have, which

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is what we want to accelerate the collapse period. I

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think the mindset to approach that with is we know

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this is going to happen. The only people who don't

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know that are ones who are either wilfully ignorant or

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are so ideologically married to you know, the old America

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or the America that they grew up in that they

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can't see anything else. And so I think accelerating your

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preparedness and understanding this is going to happen, and the

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more the better you are prepared for, the less it's

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going to hurt in the long run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to look at ideological division, all

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you have to do is look at Czechoslovakia. They broke

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up into the Czech Republic and Slovakia and they did

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it peacefully and basically check the Czech Republic is more

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humanist and Slovakia is more religious traditional. Now, I know

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people are going to be screaming at me because maybe

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they've been to a part of either one where that

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contradicts it. But on the most part, this is what

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this is what the checks wrote at the time why

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they were doing it. So you know, leave me, leave

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me alone. Please, I don't, I don't. I don't need

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any more emails than I already get. So yeah, you know,

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but people, you know, people will still go back to well,

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you know, this national government that basically the only thing

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they can do is violence. But it seems like they've

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gotten to the point where it's just targeting individuals. Yeah.

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I don't know that they even have the will anymore

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to target an area where you know, there's a certain

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there's a certain group in Tennessee right now that has

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all moved there, and there's some writer in like Nashville

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who's reporting on them and trying to take everything they

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say and turn it into the new KKK or they're

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white nationalists or Christian nationalists and everything. And I want

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to thank that person for actually mentioning some of my

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banger tweets in his report. But yeah, I mean, that's

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all it is is you have some old, some old

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liberal who is like, oh, look at what these people

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are doing over there, and everyone's like, yeah, we don't care.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, this started a long long

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time ago. I always cite the Bundy Ranch incident as

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sort of the first example of their unwillingness to really enforce,

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you know, whether regardless of what people think of Bundy

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and the whole situation, the fact that they kind of

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stood toe to toe with the federal government and the

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federal government back down, right, they didn't have the will then,

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and this kind of repeated, even though you know, I

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have a lot of issues with Greg Abbott and I

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don't really I think it was more of a show.

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But still, the fact that the government did not actually

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go down there and just force him to do what

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they wanted. We've slowly seen that, and that's transpired even

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to your point, even into this attempt to cancel people

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and go after people, it's even lost its ability to

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do that on the individual level largely, and I think

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that's mostly due to a shift in people's mentality. There's

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so many you know, they've been yelling at us for

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a decade now, right, and it just it's now they're

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just they're just screaming into the void. Nobody's listening to

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them anymore, right, And I think that is definitely a sign,

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in my opinion, of their their loss of their will

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to actually act and enforce their their edicts. And part

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of me thinks that might be because they know that,

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you know, if you if you try to enforce a

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law and you fail, that's worse than not enforcing it

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at all. And I think that's the position they're in now.

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Speaker 1: Well, moving on something that you pick up in the

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the theme you pick up in the second essay. It

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talks about basically technology and societal advancements. And yeah, you'll

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even hear some people on the on the new right

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talk about how technology is going to help us going forward.

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I remember on a gun forum, this is over ten

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years ago, people talking about how really the only way

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you could have proper governance and like justice is AI

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and I got, yeah, who programs that? Okay, sure, but

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you know you talk about how technology and societal advancements

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and I mean this has some some spangler in it too,

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but it also echoes Ilul and Kazynski that you know,

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while they've helped us to live and easier life, you know,

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it severs us you know, our human size from nature

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and even even God.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I so this goes into this that particular essay

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I was hesitant to right in the first place, only

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because the my view of natural selection, which comes through

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their law in an essay is a little I wouldn't

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sort of outside of the norm. And I tend to

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look at, you know, natural selection as a mechanism by

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which God maintains the balance of life, so to speak. Right,

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And and the way that I frame it in the

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essay is that if you were designing if you were

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designing a world and you put life on that world

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and you wanted that life to be able to survive

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any situation, you you couldn't come up with a more

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novel or more ingenious idea than natural selection. So so

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a life form that can adapt to any environmental changes, right,

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and so and from that I kind of look at

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how that applies to people, and that there there's sort

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of this equilibrium where you know, when man is at

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his most primal, he's he's he's sort of connected to

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the more animal, the more instinctual, and as he sort

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of grows and technology kind of comes in and you

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get agriculture, you move to this point where those abundance

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of resources allow for the people who have you know,

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high i Q. High intelligence. It creates a division of

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labor and then they can focus on other things. And

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as that technology expands, you know, you you free people

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to do these things. But what you also do at

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the same time is you you begin to remove all

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the natural selection pressures that that that got the society

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there in the first place, all the all the little things,

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whether it's you know, you know, and it's difficult to

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talk about this a lot of times because people take

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this the wrong way, but even little things like infant

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mortality rates. When you're when you're dropping those things to zero,

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you're creating a situation where you're getting a lot of

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bad traits that naturally would have would have been weeded out.

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They're they're they're growing exponentially, and the pressure then gets

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placed on the you know, if we want to use

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like the Preto distribution and look at it like eighty

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twenty and say twenty percent of the people are the

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ones innovating and creating, the ratio begins to warp because

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you're or society becomes overburdened with people that no longer

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contribute in any capacity, and the technology only fully only

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facilitates this more and more. You think of like medical technology, right,

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if we look at This is the example I use

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in the essay, which is diabetic medications don't actually reduce

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the amount of diabetics. They just allow people who are

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diabetic to you know, live longer lives, and that's great

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and all. But then they have more children and they

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pass on those eating habits, and you know, with more diabetics,

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so the problem becomes worse. And I think technology does

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this on multiple levels. And what it ends up doing

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is it puts the situation, the society in a situation

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where it's so unfit to survive that it's unsalvageable. Because

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the people can no longer survive on their own, they

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become dependent on the technology, whether that's through medicine or

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you know, even now if we think of it in

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terms of the fact that nobody you know, people can't

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grow their own food, they can't provide for themselves. But

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it does. It never stops, right because the technology, again,

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like with a lull, that technique sort of is self serving, right.

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It's not that it's it's neutral, it's ambivalent. It just

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wants to survive and it's going to keep going. And

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it reaches a point where, you know, you reach sort

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of the event horizon where the technological dependence becomes so

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great that there's no going back, and everything sort of collapses.

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And I think there's even an element of the sort

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of the Tower of Babbel element. Right, you begin to

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play gods so much by interfering with the natural, natural

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processes that society becomes unsustainable.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: And one of the examples also, I use is if

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we look at dog breeds. There there's a point where

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man is creating dog breeds that are amazing, Right, You're

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geting German shepherds, you're getting bloodhounds, You're getting you know, collegues,

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border colleagues. But then you get the bulldog, right, the

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English bulldog, which reaches a point where it can't even

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reproduce on its own because of constant human meddling with technology.

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And I think that same analogy applies to what happens

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to a society as it becomes more technologically advanced.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Roman France in there. You know, by abandoning

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in the natural order, it leads to their cultural decline.

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I mean, you know, Roman France, we're talking about pre

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industrial revolutions. How does how do you see that working

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for those.

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Speaker 2: Two Well, I think it's a lot of this is

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a byproduct of the way that cities operate, right, And

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we know, you know, Spandrel called the IQ shredders. But

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if we look at you know, as they become more

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technologically advanced, you know this and even for their obviously

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technology which is not as advanced as ours, they call

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into these cities. They're moved out from from the countryside.

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And when they get into these places, it seems to

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be a natural occurrence that something like even feminism, right,

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and something we think of in modern terms, shows up

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in Rome specifically. You know, Cato rails against this at

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some point, and you see their birth rates collapse, right,

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And it's just it's a product of urbanization. I think

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that creates these unnatural situations because what I see it

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is is there's there's a certain amount of connection to

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the natural world that is necessary for people to understand

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how things operate. And the farther the longer they're removed

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from that, the less they understand why they do what

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they do. And so even something like having children becomes

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a question of whether you should or should not, as

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opposed to just something that happens. Right, So I think

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it's it's it's almost a never as people become disconnected

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from nature, that they lose sight of the natural order

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of things essentially, and when they do that, they begin

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to act in unnatural ways, and they begin to fight

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against things that were never questioned in the first place,

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like no, you know, even today, you know, you see

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that with transgenderism. And I cover this a little bit

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in another essay in the book, where I go into

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more detail on the collapsing birth rates in Rome that

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I believe it was Augustus tried to, you know, he

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the alects Julia. He had all these laws that attempted

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to to raise the birth rate in Rome, and nothing

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was able to do that because once they had reached

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that point. You know, he even talks about how towards

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the end, almost every single every senator in Rome was

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of servile origin, right, they're all because then that the

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Romans were no longer having children. They had been living

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in the lap of luxury for so long that they

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can no longer, they can no longer do the normal

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things that they would. They have to go out and

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find people that are from a more primitive background to

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even facilitate population growth.

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Speaker 1: Well, Yaki talks about how whenever a country goes hard

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on immigration, native birth rates stop. I think there's a

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metaphysical aspect to that, but that'll take us off on

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a tangent. But you know basically what it does, it

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makes things more expensive. And we're seeing that now. I mean,

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people are like, I can't afford a house. Okay, well

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we need to deport forty million people, and how this

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will be how's it will be cheaper? Well, well, how

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does that work? Well, I mean it's simple economics, not

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the junk economics that we get fed fed from every direction.

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Speaker 2: But the yeah, let's say Pete, Well, you know what's

477
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,720
interesting about that as well is that, you know, there's

478
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,000
a there's a really small book and a lot of

479
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:08,640
people have read it, and it's called The Decline of Empires.

480
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:12,279
It's by John Hubbard, I believe, but he talks about

481
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:16,559
in that that he says that the immigrants and the

482
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,440
outsiders that came into Rome disappeared like water into the sands.

483
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,119
I believe I might be misquoting him, but he points

484
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,880
out that even when they come in that their populations

485
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,400
begin to decline, like they only get a generation and

486
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,480
they immediately fall into the same trap.

487
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think a lot of that

488
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,519
has to do with the fact that we're not meant

489
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:46,720
to be pressed in people be pressed into the same polity,

490
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,400
into these gigantic, huge polities. You know, if you have

491
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,559
people who are spread out, you know, I think, what's

492
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,279
the number, eighty to eighty five percent of the population

493
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,680
of the United States lives within what one hundred miles

494
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,839
of the co of either coast of you know, of

495
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,160
all the borders. If you if you have people spread out,

496
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,400
then you know, especially on the local level, that things

497
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,599
can be a lot cheaper. You know, It's why you

498
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960
know where you know, where we live, a house is

499
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,160
a hell of a lot cheaper than than you know,

500
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,160
only I live an hour and a half from Atlanta,

501
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,599
and you know, compare the price of houses. But the yeah,

502
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,680
it seems like and you you know, it's something that

503
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:31,839
Another thing that you mentioned in the essay is urbanization,

504
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,200
and I think it was Spangler again who you know,

505
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,960
mentioned that, like in the ninth in the eighteen hundreds.

506
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,559
In the nineteenth century, when people were pressing into cities,

507
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,599
cities became like military barracks where they just went there

508
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,039
to work. They worked eighteen hours a day, went home

509
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:54,599
to their to their barracks, slept, and then went back

510
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,400
to work. And you know, things were so dangerous that

511
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,960
there was a good chance they weren't coming home from

512
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,720
work the next day. So you know what kind of

513
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,279
how does the industrial revolution and urbanization take a toll

514
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:06,640
on us?

515
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,079
Speaker 2: Well? Right? And if you and you consider too that

516
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:17,240
within that same framework of urbanization, children become not just

517
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,680
say a luxury, but I guess you could frame it

518
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,519
as a luxury, but they become something that is no

519
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:23,720
longer beneficial.

520
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Right.

521
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: And when you're a smaller, more agricultural society or a

522
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:34,240
rural environment, children are a benefit. Right. You have a

523
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,240
small farm, you have a trade or something that you

524
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,599
that you operate locally. The more children you have, the

525
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,680
more free labor, you know, if you want to look

526
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,000
at it that way, and that that's a net benefit.

527
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:48,839
But when you live in a city and you're crammed

528
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,640
into these you know, as Spangler called them, like like

529
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,079
worker barracks, right, your children are just an expense. And

530
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,559
again when you're when you're so disconnected from the natural

531
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:03,960
world that you no longer like you see this, right,

532
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,799
like sex no longer becomes about procreation. It's just a

533
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:14,559
a physical act of temporal pleasure, right, So they become

534
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,599
so removed from that well having when you're thinking that way,

535
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,440
and then you factor in the children are essentially an

536
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,480
economic burden. Now, when you live in an urban environment,

537
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,079
it's only natural that people are going to stop having children.

538
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,799
And then this is where the technology comes in. You

539
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,359
then apply or then you then give them the ability

540
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,599
to stop having children through contraceptives, which that technology is

541
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,079
only increased in our society, which is only going to

542
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,799
magnify that problem.

543
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And then you take into consideration that when

544
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:58,160
you have urbanization, and unfortunately the urban centers have a

545
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:04,599
tendency to move culture and change culture. Then you have

546
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,119
the mother who, now because everything's become so expensive, has

547
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,240
to work outside the house. And then you have two

548
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,279
transition to a theme of another essay is you have

549
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:23,839
a masculinity crisis and men aren't seen as the protector

550
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640
of the hero anymore. So you want to talk a

551
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,359
little bit about that.

552
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is one of the one of

553
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,920
the key issues sort of of our time in a

554
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,880
lot of ways, is that the men have largely urbanization

555
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,400
and technological advancement allows for men to become optional. Right,

556
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:51,559
So everything that a man provides in a natural environment

557
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,279
and the way things are intended to be structured, we

558
00:33:54,319 --> 00:34:00,960
could say safety, security, they obviously provide, you know, not

559
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,599
just a physical safety and security, but also economic All

560
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
these things that the husband would provide are now replaced

561
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,599
by by the state essentially, which is only facilitated by

562
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:18,519
a large a government and an urban centers where you

563
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,719
can have things like a police force, you can have

564
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,119
a fire department, you can have you know, you can

565
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,639
have your ambulances, et cetera. And what this allows is

566
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,039
for women to, like you said, they can leave the

567
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,679
home because things become more expensive and they have to work.

568
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,599
But in doing so, they are provided economic freedom, so

569
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,400
they no longer need a man to provide anything for

570
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,320
them economically. But they also no longer need the safety

571
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,519
and security, so they no longer need a man to

572
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,119
protect them to keep them safe. And at first this

573
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,320
is kind of a good thing, right you don't want

574
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920
you don't want your women to feel uncomfortable when when

575
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,159
they're leaving the home, or feel unsafe, but that same

576
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,360
safety over time that it becomes the illusion of safety

577
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,079
and they forget that they need a man at all,

578
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,360
or they need a husband at all, and then the

579
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,920
purpose of the man completely fades to from well I

580
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,920
need a husband for safety, security, to take care of

581
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,159
me when I'm pregnant, to well, I just want a husband.

582
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,039
I just want to want a man. I want a husband,

583
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,119
And of course that's going to shape the way dating

584
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,360
discourses is going to go because they're no longer going

585
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,239
to seek out the traits that they would normally seek,

586
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,960
so they're gonna seek out the wrong kind of men.

587
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,519
And then this of course leads to you know, you

588
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,679
get problems with the divorce rate is going to go up,

589
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,519
and then the state has to step in and play

590
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:49,199
the middleman. And once the woman is you know, provided

591
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,440
for on that stage again, she can now leave the

592
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,239
man and the state will take his money and provide

593
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,320
for her. She will then raise those young men in

594
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,239
a situation where shield teach them to be the kind

595
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,360
of man she wants, But the type of man she

596
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,000
wants is warped by the fact that she's never actually

597
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,920
needed a man for anything, and so you create this

598
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,079
sort of negative feedback loop where the women's view of

599
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,679
the male and the masculine is warped, and then they

600
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,360
pass that on to the children, and the boys grow

601
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,800
up with that same exact mentality. All right, And then

602
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:31,159
the danger of this is, and I'm not sure I

603
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,239
talked about this in a couple of essays, the real

604
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,960
danger of this is, in my opinion, is that we're

605
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,800
seeing with the rise of AI and some of these

606
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,079
these new these new AI AI models that you can

607
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,480
speak to, they're they're very accurate, and what they're going

608
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:50,760
to do, in my opinion, is they're going to replace

609
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,880
They're going to do the same thing to women that

610
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:57,519
the urbanization and the you know, this large sort of

611
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:02,039
over you know, draconian governmn does in replacing the male.

612
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,440
These are going to do that for the female because

613
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,920
these young men will no longer the one thing they're

614
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,119
going to need a woman for that hasn't been replaced

615
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,920
is the emotional support, the partnership there that you get

616
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,679
from your wife. Those are going to replace that, and

617
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,920
you're going to create this situation where neither males or

618
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,840
females need each other to survive, because you're going to

619
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,079
you're gonna give them the basic, the basic things that

620
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:30,880
they would get from each other. And so they're just

621
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,360
going to completely be alienated. And again, this will just

622
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,440
facilitate the drop in in birth rate even to an

623
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,360
even greater extent.

624
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to a certain extent, it even basically takes

625
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:51,880
removes responsibility for any kind of like individual justice that might.

626
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: Be meted out.

627
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're relying so much upon local authorities, police,

628
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:03,840
the courts or anything like that. You you know, the Marshall ethos,

629
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,880
which I think is a term you used in the essay,

630
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:12,639
just disappears. And you know, Thomas talks about you know,

631
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:14,400
when we talk about that there is a certain group

632
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,960
in this country that doesn't the overwhelming majority of the crime.

633
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,719
You know, Thomas is like, well, I don't really have

634
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,719
a problem with that group because they're not Why should I,

635
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,559
and they're not going anywhere. But there was a time

636
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,199
when if people got out of line, you could deal

637
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,079
with it. And I mean that's just gone. You mentioned

638
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,880
that to people, and it's not even like they're like, oh,

639
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,480
I'm scared I'm going to get in trouble with the law.

640
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:49,119
It's like, well, no, that's not how we do things.

641
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's this is ironically, this is a conversation

642
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,039
was having the other day. I have a strange respect

643
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,719
or early nineties gangster apt specifically for this reason, because

644
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,559
I've always seen it as an expression and extremely warped.

645
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,960
It's warped, don't get me wrong on this, but is

646
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,480
an expression of a certain form of marshal ethos and

647
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:18,239
masculinity that hasn't been completely snuffed out yet. And there's

648
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,320
a certain level of respect and there's a certain level

649
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,119
of that which you need in a society, right, there

650
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:27,599
has to be a healthy level of the potential for

651
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:33,320
violence in order to keep to keep things safe. Right.

652
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,320
This is something you see when you'll often hear a

653
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,760
lot of feminists will talk about, you know, spousal abuse

654
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,920
rates and stuff and why no fall divorce and the

655
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,920
legal system is necessary. But what they don't understand is that,

656
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,360
you know, prior to this, again going back to living

657
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,159
in smaller environments, if you were to be the type

658
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,360
of man that would beat his wife, you had to

659
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,719
worry about the fact that her brother, her father, her

660
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,800
cousins were all going to retaliate.

661
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: Right.

662
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: You couldn't just get away with this freely, and that

663
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,880
was understood, and that's that keeps people in line. And

664
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480
as as warped as that might be coming out of

665
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,159
sort of like those urban communities. It exists for a reason,

666
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,480
it's just a bad expression of it. The problem, to

667
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:26,840
large degree is that we as a group have completely

668
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,360
lost that because we have sort of become over domesticated.

669
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, I know a mutual of ours. I

670
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,960
won't mention who it is, but you know, they were

671
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,639
in public and there were you know, two scholars, you know,

672
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,920
being dangerous. It could have hurt somebody, and you know,

673
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,719
our friend went to the went to the little There

674
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,119
were police at this event, and the police wouldn't do anything.

675
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,960
Uh maybe he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I

676
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,480
think they were Indians, and he suck it into his

677
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:11,559
own hands. Well it turns out that they were underage,

678
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,599
and yeah, now this person's in trouble.

679
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, well it's gonna say they it's

680
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,519
ironic that they you know, that they can behave in

681
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:27,519
such a way. And then the minute that it's revealed

682
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,519
that they're you know, underage, that they're their adolescents, their children,

683
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:34,840
however they want to frame it, they treat them, they

684
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,519
treat them like children. I don't want to go off

685
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:38,960
on a tangent on this, but this one, you know,

686
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,320
when I was a this is something that dawned on

687
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,840
me when I worked as a cop for three years,

688
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,519
is you know, the specific ethnic group that we see

689
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:51,119
a lot of the crime from. I realized very quickly,

690
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,800
you know, I would deal with thirty year old men

691
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,599
who had been arrested for for murder, assault, and their

692
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,760
their mothers would call and they my baby, this, my

693
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,920
baby that, And it dawned on me at that moment.

694
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,840
It was the first time I realized, like, these people

695
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,239
have never grown up their children their entire life. There's

696
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,960
no man around to say no, you have to be

697
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,599
held responsible for your actions. They just operate the way

698
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,760
kids do and they get out of they get out

699
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,880
of trouble constantly. But then they become adults and that

700
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,880
sort of mentality and that type of policing just facilitates

701
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,599
that infantilization that allows them, you know, but then you're

702
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,639
treating a fifteen sixteen year old boy like he's like

703
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:32,119
he's a child. It's not going to go.

704
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: Well, no, never, never, And yeah, you I'm sure you've

705
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,480
seen the meme of they actually believe that they're that

706
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,159
they're innocent because they the past doesn't exist to them.

707
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,000
They're always living in the presence. So at that present moment, yeah,

708
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:58,719
I'm not I didn't do nothing wrong. But all right,

709
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,760
let's uh, let's talk about solutions, because I mean, this

710
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,760
can get depressing when you go down, when you get

711
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,360
you know, when you get down a spankleran rabbit hole,

712
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,039
it's like, oh boy, one of the I guess solutions

713
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,000
you put in here is always one that I like

714
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:18,639
to talk about. I used to talk about a lot

715
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:25,800
back in the libertarian days. But arranged marriages and you

716
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,960
you know, you have you actually call it a strategic pillar.

717
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,400
So why don't we Why don't you go off on

718
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,719
that and we'll see where this goes.

719
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,639
Speaker 2: So with arranged marriage is the first thing people have

720
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,599
to understand, and a lot of people don't when they

721
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,400
when they hear range marriage is their mind immediately goes

722
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,480
to India and they think of somebody picking children out

723
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,039
and pairing them off with no real regard for anything

724
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,440
other than what the parents want. And that is just

725
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:00,440
one form of arranged marriages. There there's really three different

726
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:03,000
forms of arranged marriage. You have you have the one

727
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,320
in which you know, we think of in India. You

728
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,840
have another form in which the the parents play. They

729
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,239
basically have veto power. So the child brings a potential

730
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,599
mate in front of them and they they they kind

731
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:20,119
of say yeah or nay. And then you have the

732
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,039
middle ground, which is what was practiced at least in

733
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,199
the upper you know, the upper echelons of society and

734
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,880
the aristocracy throughout the West, which was basically matchmaking. And

735
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,800
oftentimes the aunt would play this role of matchmaker, and

736
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,119
she would try to find somebody that was, you know,

737
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,599
that that would benefit the family and benefit the person,

738
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,880
whether it was the you know, looking for a wife

739
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,079
or looking for a husband. They would find a partner

740
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:53,760
that that that matched up well personality wise and brought

741
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,639
benefits to them. Right. And this was the way that

742
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,440
most marriages were because it is a very fool thing

743
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,119
to allow teenagers to pick, or young adults to pick

744
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,000
just based on emotion, who they want to marry. Right.

745
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,679
And the reason that I describe it as a strategic

746
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,639
pillar is because we should we should think of picking

747
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,760
a spouse as not only somebody who benefits you know, us,

748
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,199
but that will bring something to the table for our family.

749
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,519
Uh at sort of writ large, right, And this is

750
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,800
the way that this form of arranged marriage worked, it was, Okay,

751
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,639
you live in a small town. You know. You let's

752
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:37,760
say your family owns some land. You own, you know,

753
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,760
have a fairly large farm. There's a family down the

754
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,000
road that owns, you know, a handful of shops, I

755
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:47,119
own some property. If you and they have a daughter

756
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,280
that's you know, ready to get married, you have a

757
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,480
son that's ready to get married. By pairing them together,

758
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:57,960
you know, obviously taking into some consideration their personality and everything,

759
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,400
but pairing them together, you only you only serve to

760
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:08,719
strengthen both families, right, and that allows for for you

761
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,239
to build the building blocks of an empire essentially, right,

762
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,679
it starts small. This is essentially the same thing you

763
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,440
see again in the you know, the royal families. It's

764
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,159
you're married. You're marrying for the purpose of building something,

765
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:25,719
not just for the two of you, but for beyond that.

766
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,119
And so I think one of the ways that people

767
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:34,760
can prepare for the future and build something is you

768
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,320
can build a dynasty. If you approach marriage through the

769
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,639
lens of what benefit is this going to have for

770
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,400
our family and and the other family as well, we

771
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,599
can merge you know, Uh, if we're both wealthy, you're

772
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:52,760
simply merging that wealth. If you just have power, both

773
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,239
families have power, you're merging that power. You're creating the

774
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,920
building blocks of something bigger. And I think that's something

775
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:04,000
that people have lost sight of because we've treated marriage

776
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,000
just as like, well, I like you, you like me, you know,

777
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,079
you make me feel good, let's get married, and not

778
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,840
considering the broader implications of that marriage. And specifically for parents,

779
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,079
it's important to start thinking this way because you should

780
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:24,360
view the potential partner of your child not just for

781
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,639
what they bring to your child, but like, how does

782
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,960
this benefit us? Right, We're going to get old one day,

783
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,639
We're going to need things one day. By pushing your

784
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,840
children or pushing your children in a direction towards, you know,

785
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,400
getting married to somebody who comes from a good family

786
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,639
that has you know, has has means is only going

787
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:48,920
to further strengthen that. And I think that's the way

788
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,599
we can start from the bottom, you know, especially for

789
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,079
families that are you know, your middle class. You know,

790
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,320
well what one really quick way to move up generationally

791
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,400
is to say, hey, look you know and and I've

792
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,400
talked with other guys about this, like you know you

793
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,280
you I have boys, right, and I'm like, you know,

794
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,400
your daughters close to close to my son's agent. When

795
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,960
they get to be looking around to get married, it

796
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,840
only seems logical to try to pair them up together.

797
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,719
We are like minded, we share similar values, we we

798
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,440
go to the same church. Right, We're only going to

799
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,559
combine what we've already built by doing that, and that

800
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:28,639
can create a lot of power in a very short

801
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,480
period of time. And not just financial power. I mean,

802
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:34,440
you're again you're talking about combining. You know, if you

803
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,880
have land, you're just you can double that, triple that,

804
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,559
whatever the case may be. But you can really exponentially

805
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:48,159
increase you know, your your family's influence, and that only

806
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,440
that will allow you to sort of dictate the way

807
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,559
the future goes, especially if you live in a small

808
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:54,880
a small town.

809
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be the I'll be at more liberal

810
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,480
voice on this. I mean, if you have a church

811
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,480
like that, it doesn't even have to be like one

812
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,639
fam like your daughter, your son doesn't even have to

813
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:10,719
have one like one choice. There could be three, four

814
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,440
or five. It's just like, well, you're picking what's going

815
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,960
to be one of these three four or five, you know,

816
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,360
and got no.

817
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:21,159
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you know, I was. I've joked

818
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:24,480
before I don't have daughters, but I've always said if

819
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,800
I had daughters, the first thing I would do, and

820
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,320
I wouldn't tell her to go to college. I would

821
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,559
get her job. I would try to get her job

822
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:32,719
at the country club is like a caddy, and she'd

823
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,280
marry an optometrist in six months. You know, Like you

824
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,719
have to approach it with sort of that mentality I think,

825
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,920
and obviously it's a little tongue in cheek, but that's

826
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,920
the way forward for that, you know.

827
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've you know, as somebody who doesn't have kids,

828
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,880
I don't take advice from me, you know, maybe use

829
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:59,000
maybe use me as a you know, as a warning.

830
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,400
But it would seem to me that it would just

831
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,079
make sense.

832
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: You know.

833
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,119
Speaker 1: I know people who you know, believe what we do

834
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,440
and have a worldview that we have, and they're like

835
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,480
letting their kids just go at like eighteen and nineteen

836
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,719
and do and do whatever they want. And it just

837
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,199
really tells me just how deep like Enlightenment thinking and

838
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:36,199
progressive thinking and classical liberal thinking have just taken hold

839
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:41,960
even in people who you know, would essensibly believe agree

840
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,400
with pretty much everything we're saying.

841
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: Well, and I yah, it's absolutely right, because I have

842
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:52,360
gotten When I've expressed this idea publicly to people that

843
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,880
aren't in our spheres, I get a lot of pushback,

844
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,239
a lot of pearl clutching like the idea that I

845
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,039
would because I'm pretty open it. I've told my oldest

846
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,559
son was like, you know, if I don't approve of

847
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,039
who you decide to marry, Like if if me and

848
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,280
your mom say, look, we we don't like her, and

849
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,840
you go and do that anyways, you forfeit your your inheritance, right,

850
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,159
That's the way I approach it, like, look, there's certain,

851
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,960
there's certain I'm not saying we're going to force you

852
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000
to marry somebody this person, but we're going to at

853
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,400
least approve of that person, and we're going to push

854
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,440
you in that direction. People don't like that because they think, well,

855
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,360
you should be free to choose, And the way I

856
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,199
always explain to them that you have to remember that

857
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,360
if you have a young son, right when he's nineteen

858
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,480
twenty twenty one years old and he's dating or you're

859
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:48,360
just letting him date, however he wants. He's only going

860
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,360
to go after the things that a nineteen and twenty

861
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,159
year old boy want, and that's an attractive woman at

862
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,119
the base level, right, He's not thinking about what makes

863
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:57,760
her a good wife, what makes her a good mother.

864
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,960
Those traits aren't really in his head. That's the job

865
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,840
of the parents to do. The parents have to be

866
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,679
the ones from the outside to look in on that

867
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,280
and say, look, I know she's attractive, but she's crazy,

868
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:11,440
Or I know this girl isn't as attractive, but she's kind.

869
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:13,760
She comes from a good family, they have money, she'll

870
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,440
make a good mom. Like those things are not there

871
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,079
in the forefront of the mind of the child, and

872
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:21,639
that's the job of the parent to come in and

873
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,199
do that. And when you don't do that and then

874
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:27,360
you act shocked when your kid gets divorced after four years, well,

875
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,679
i mean, what did you think was going to happen

876
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:33,199
when you got married specifically on the basis of well,

877
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:35,519
she's hot, you.

878
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: Know well, And it's the exact reverse of what we've

879
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,760
seen now where parents aren't raising their kids to choose

880
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,639
a good mate, and then that they're not raising their

881
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:57,840
kids to have lived historically be you know, be loyal

882
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,440
to the family and and what the family wants, and

883
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:03,239
you know, you can see that in you know, I

884
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,559
mean there is a whole like industry of bumper stickers

885
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:12,599
where I'm spending my kids inheritance and you know you

886
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:16,320
look at yeah, you look at that and you're like, okay, well,

887
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,360
I mean I have to assume you you raised your

888
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,000
kids in a progressive mindset, in a classical liberal mindset,

889
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,159
in a grastinated mindset, or maybe not. Maybe your kid

890
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,239
turned out good, turned out well, you know, despite you.

891
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,000
But still it's like that kind of I mean, you

892
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:41,599
could see raising a kid to be like, Okay, this

893
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:42,960
is what you're going to be, this is what you're

894
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,679
going to do. And if you defy us, if you

895
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,639
defy our wishes, you know, we're going to cut you off.

896
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,119
You're not going you're you know you're going to You're

897
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,079
you're going to be at this on your own. I

898
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:59,960
mean that makes sense raising a kid too, not when

899
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,039
without that attitude, and then you know at the end

900
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,599
being like, oh, you know, well, I mean it was

901
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:06,679
all about us all along. So you know we're going

902
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,880
to be going on cruises while you you know, go

903
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,440
from women's a woman and everything. Yeah, I mean it's

904
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,760
just it's modernity just in everything.

905
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: Well, And I think I think the positive note in

906
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,880
this is that with the decline, it's gonna it's going

907
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,920
to facilitate a necessity for reliance on family, and so

908
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:34,039
a lot of that is going to, in my opinion,

909
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:35,599
a lot of that it's going to naturally start to

910
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:39,920
reverse as people no longer have the ability, they no

911
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,760
longer afford the economic freedom they once had and mobility. Right,

912
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,519
It's something I've talked about extensively with with with my

913
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,159
with my parents and other family members, Like I fully

914
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:55,840
expect my sons to live with me, for I don't

915
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,679
expect to kick them out at eighteen, I guess is

916
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,679
my point, right, because I know where things are head,

917
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:05,320
I know how expensive things are, right, and I'm not

918
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,639
gonna let them sit around and do nothing. Right, They're

919
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:10,159
going to be building something because I want when they

920
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,159
do get old enough and they've established themselves to get married,

921
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,559
I want them to bring something to the table, which

922
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,440
only increases their mate prospect. Right. But I think this

923
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,639
is going to naturally start to happen for most families

924
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:26,000
as that economic mobility goes away. You're gonna have to

925
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,840
rely on them, and with that reliance will will facilitate

926
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,880
the ability for the father to to to warrant that

927
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,519
same respect and loyalty again, because they're gonna have to

928
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,000
at a base level, right, they won't have the ability

929
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:44,599
to just say, I don't care that I'm leaving. I'm

930
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:47,199
gonna do whatever I want. And that's gonna, I think

931
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,519
make it's going to strengthen family bonds in the long term.

932
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:55,840
And again, you know, if the families that go out

933
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,239
of their way to do things like practice some form

934
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,719
of arranged marriage to set their kids up, they're they're

935
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,079
gonna benefit from that in the long run. Right. You know,

936
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,719
look at how a certain ethnic group has benefited from

937
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,400
in group preference through and they do this through marriage

938
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,440
as well. That's what they've done. How how do certain

939
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,760
industries get taken over because they're passed down through families

940
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,079
and that starts with this this you know, these building

941
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,280
blocks that we're talking about now.

942
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:32,559
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate that. That was Uh, that was

943
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:35,599
a good talk. Tell everybody. Tell everybody a little bit

944
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:40,039
about the your first book, Crimson Veil, and then tell

945
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:41,800
them how they can find both of your books.

946
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Crimson Veil is uh. It's my first, my first novel.

947
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,800
It is uh. It is a Southern noir that borders

948
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,360
on it's it borders on more of a literary fiction.

949
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:03,760
So it's very character driven and it explores a sort

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of disillusioned private eye in a in a corrupt Southern town,

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dealing with the Dixie mafia and the death of his father,

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and exploring the themes of of rebirth, of returning home

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and what sacrifice really means that that's that's the general

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theme of the book. It's been out for about two months.

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It's gotten nothing but great reviews. I've done two podcasts

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with Thomas on it. So if you're if even if

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you're not into fiction, there's enough of a philosophical bend

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in there. I think it's it's definitely worth your time.

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So if you're if you're interested in that, that can

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be found. It's the pin tweet on my on my

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Twitter and it's also you know, uh it links to

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my Amazon which also has my collection of essays the

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Dispatches from the Old South Repository as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate it and I look forward to

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seeing you in about a month. At the OGC conference,

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if not before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will be there, and I have thirty copies

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of my novel that i'll be willing to sign, so

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if anybody's going and wants to pick one up, I'll

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have them with me.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right man, Thank you, take care, Thanks Pete,