Speaker 1: If you've have krc DE talk station. Brian Thomas wishing
Speaker 1: everyone a very happy Wednesday. One hour from now Joe
Speaker 1: Jennita Politano right now, head of the Ohio Republican Party,
Speaker 1: Alex Trantefilo, to offer his thoughts and comments about Issue one,
Speaker 1: the jerrymandering ballot issue. Actually it's a constitutional amendment. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: Alex Tranntefilo. It's always a pleasure to have you on
Speaker 1: the program.
Speaker 2: Frank, good morning to you.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to be on this ballot issue.
Speaker 1: I just reading it, you know, And I talked to
Speaker 1: the pro issue too guy last week and I made
Speaker 1: myself deprecating comment. You know, I got seven years of college,
Speaker 1: a practice law for you know, eighteen years or whatever,
Speaker 1: another radio for eighteen years, and I'm a member of MENSA,
Speaker 1: and I still don't get it. It doesn't make any
Speaker 1: blanking sense. It is the most convoluted process I have
Speaker 1: ever encountered, I think, regarding the establishment of a so
Speaker 1: called independent body which will basically do the jerrymandering work
Speaker 1: that our elected officials are doing. I know my elected
Speaker 1: officials accountable, well, I can vote against him or her
Speaker 1: and check them out of office. If I'm unhappy with
Speaker 1: their conduct, that's not so with this issue. Alex, what's
Speaker 1: your take on this? Break it down for my listeners
Speaker 1: who may be even less familiar than I am with
Speaker 1: the insanity that I find this to be.
Speaker 2: Well, my language is going to be as strong or stronger.
Speaker 2: This is a scam. It's a scam, and it's a
Speaker 2: lie being perpetrated to Ohiolands by far left wing special
Speaker 2: interest groups. And look, you know, Brian, how many times
Speaker 2: in our life have we heard the words follow the money, right,
Speaker 2: follow the money of who is supporting this endeavor. It's
Speaker 2: out there for anybody to look at. There's plenty now
Speaker 2: of information out there about Issue one. Over twenty five
Speaker 2: million dollars an out of state special interest dollars are
Speaker 2: flowing into Ohio for you to see these commercials and
Speaker 2: for these guys who have gotten and paid people to
Speaker 2: put this on the ballot. So the money is coming
Speaker 2: from places like New York and Washington, D C. And
Speaker 2: San Francisco. And it's a million here, two millionaire, four
Speaker 2: billion here. Four million of it we know came from
Speaker 2: a Swiss billionaire who wants to be you know, impose
Speaker 2: his progressive worldview into places like Ohio. But let's break
Speaker 2: it down. If this thing passes, if Issue one passes,
Speaker 2: it will be a fifteen member commission that's totally unelected.
Speaker 2: You cannot remove this commission. You can't even really talk
Speaker 2: to them, Brian. Under the current proposal, you can't lobby them.
Speaker 2: You can't you know, you can't show up and well
Speaker 2: you can't a public session, but you can't have any
Speaker 2: communication with them to share your view on what the
Speaker 2: public lines ought to be us to look like as
Speaker 2: we're drawing, you know, congressional and state legislative district boundary.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you can't, I mean, when what world?
Speaker 3: Brian?
Speaker 2: Who lived in the United States? Where you cannot talk
Speaker 2: to the people setting public policy? We in America are
Speaker 2: used to electing everything from the school board right in
Speaker 2: our neighborhood all the way to the President of the
Speaker 2: United States. If you don't like what the president says,
Speaker 2: you can protest and talk to him and then they'll
Speaker 2: take a meeting with you. You can tell him how you feel.
Speaker 2: In this circumstance, this commission, this fifteen member unelected bureaucracy,
Speaker 2: will begin drawing legislative boundaries and again, the far left
Speaker 2: special interest money that's pouring into Ohio will make it
Speaker 2: so that the Democrats can win more seats. That's the bet,
Speaker 2: is what this is all about. When you cut through
Speaker 2: all of the nonsense. This is so that Ohio, for instance,
Speaker 2: has ten Republicans and five Democrats who go to Washington
Speaker 2: to represent us and make up the United States House representatives.
Speaker 2: If they can pick off one, two, three, god forbid, four,
Speaker 2: five or six more seats for Democrats in Ohio, they
Speaker 2: can make Hakeem Jeffries the Speaker of the House. So
Speaker 2: this is a much much bigger play than just Ohio.
Speaker 2: This has everything to do with national politics and empowering
Speaker 2: the Democrats in Washington, d C. To take the speaker's devil.
Speaker 2: That's plain and simple. That's why every Republican, in every
Speaker 2: Republican I know of an America and any position of leadership,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has come out as.
Speaker 3: A no Mike the Wine, right.
Speaker 2: Those two guys don't always agree on everything, right, But
Speaker 2: the bottom line is both Republicans both strongly against this.
Speaker 2: Every single Republican elected official in this state, every single legislature.
Speaker 2: This is a terrible plan. And now it's finally coming out, Brian,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, I'm on my soapbox here, but now
Speaker 2: it's coming out. This is the woman who actually served
Speaker 2: on a similar panel in Michigan against She was part
Speaker 2: of a panel Michigan did this already. It was a
Speaker 2: total failure, got struck down by the courts. She's public
Speaker 2: today and I would urge you in Brian out Texas, PA,
Speaker 2: that you can share it. It's in the Toledo Blade.
Speaker 2: She came out very publicly and said, do not do
Speaker 2: this in Ohio. And you know what her main argument was,
Speaker 2: this split up African American communities because they have to
Speaker 2: jerrymander the lines to meet a proportionality requirement, which means
Speaker 2: that they have to jerry mander to squeeze Democrat districts
Speaker 2: out of currently Republican districts the neighborhoods. So what happened
Speaker 2: in Michigan is they lost African American representation. And the
Speaker 2: African American community rose up in Michigan and said, you're
Speaker 2: stripping us of members of the African American community that
Speaker 2: are serving in the legislative bodies. So this thing is
Speaker 2: just a disaster for Ohio. I was on a bus
Speaker 2: all of last week at thirty different counties campaigning against it.
Speaker 2: We're going to spend the next three weeks educating Republicans,
Speaker 2: Independence and Democrats alike that Issue one is bad policy,
Speaker 2: and we're urging.
Speaker 3: A no vote Boston.
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas happy to have the Ohio Republican Party Chairman
Speaker 1: Alex Chranthapila long talking about Issue one. It is a
Speaker 1: constitutional amendment which is problematic in and of itself. But
Speaker 1: the thing is that the language of the ballot initiative
Speaker 1: is longer than the entire Constitution of the United States
Speaker 1: of America from what I've read, but more fundamentally, the
Speaker 1: ads in favor of Issue one, they keep politicians out
Speaker 1: of the process.
Speaker 3: And they're not a.
Speaker 1: Politician, an elected official is not even allowed to serve
Speaker 1: on this so called independent committee, are they, Alex.
Speaker 2: I know, you know this is something like this is
Speaker 2: like the Affordable Care Act or the Inflation Reduction Act.
Speaker 2: They did the opposite, Brian. You know, we all know
Speaker 2: as Americans. This is what politicians do. They label something
Speaker 2: one way. They call this anti jerrymandering. In fact, it's not.
Speaker 2: It is jerrymandering. The Ohio Supreme Court looked at Issue
Speaker 2: one and the language and said this can reasonably be
Speaker 2: called jerrymandering because that's what it is. Yeah. So the
Speaker 2: important part of this though, and you just hit on it,
Speaker 2: and I want to answer your question directly, is that's right.
Speaker 2: None of these people are elected to these jobs. They're
Speaker 2: totally unaccountable. It's an unaccountable bureaucracy, and it is. It's
Speaker 2: thirty thousand words. It will nearly double the size of
Speaker 2: our state constitution. So it's Look, it's a scam, left
Speaker 2: wing power grab. It's designed to build off of what
Speaker 2: you know people's general anxiety with jerry mandering, and jerry
Speaker 2: mandering is not a positive thing for Ohio. We've passed
Speaker 2: anti jerry mandering protections in the state, Brian by seventy
Speaker 2: percent of the vote in both twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: So we have tackled that. There's more work to do.
Speaker 2: There always is, you know, I Brian has said to
Speaker 2: everybody around the state. You know, I'm a Republican, I'm
Speaker 2: a conservative. I always think government can improve. We ought
Speaker 2: to do a continuing improvement process in everything. So can
Speaker 2: this process be improved? Sure it can, So can everything else,
Speaker 2: especially in the world of government. This is not that
Speaker 2: this is a left wing power grab and it's being
Speaker 2: sold to ohiolands is an anti jerrymandering provision, when in
Speaker 2: fact it will put jerry manner there into the state constitution.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know my initial point really, and
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything just said, but might we
Speaker 1: want someone who has been an elected official at one
Speaker 1: point to be on the committee since maybe they have
Speaker 1: information that might help in this process. They exclude entire
Speaker 1: categories of folks. Someone had told me, and I never
Speaker 1: did was able to verify this. Maybe you can that
Speaker 1: if you served in the American military, you're not eligible
Speaker 1: to be on this panel.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's arguable that you cannot, and that issue may
Speaker 2: be litigated. But yeah, because you know that's a person
Speaker 2: who's previously been in government in some capacity, that person
Speaker 2: may not be able to serve. A police officer may
Speaker 2: not be able to serve.
Speaker 3: That could be a qualifying thing.
Speaker 1: Though again, you know, the world's filled with all kinds
Speaker 1: of people from a broad, broad spectrum of incomes and
Speaker 1: political philosophies, and we could go on and on. Just
Speaker 1: to exclude someone simply because they have held elected office
Speaker 1: or served in the American military, to me, is just
Speaker 1: absolutely arbitrary and ridiculous. But then again, you know, I
Speaker 1: talked to the guy who was pro Yes last week
Speaker 1: and he said, well, it's worked in other states. And
Speaker 1: there's that word work. What does work mean? Isn't that
Speaker 1: based on a subjective opinion of what worked for you
Speaker 1: or your political party. Hey, we got a bunch of
Speaker 1: Democrats elected to these other states.
Speaker 3: It worked, that's what they mean. They mean it worked to.
Speaker 2: Elect Democrats, because that's what this is all about. You know,
Speaker 2: Brian again just for thirty seconds. Here. What's happened in
Speaker 2: Ohio over the last ten years is the state is
Speaker 2: now a more republican state. It's not a more republican state,
Speaker 2: by the way, because of a demographic shift. It's a
Speaker 2: more republican state because of the leftward shift of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. This state has changed politically because the Democrats
Speaker 2: have changed. I've been in this state my whole life.
Speaker 2: Probably you have too, Ohio, and I've gotten to know
Speaker 2: it even better over the last couple of years being
Speaker 2: our state chairman. I can tell you this state hasn't changed.
Speaker 2: So the population hasn't shifted. The Democrats went so far
Speaker 2: of the left, Brian. They talk about social issues all
Speaker 2: the time. They're not talking about things like inflation and
Speaker 2: crime and common sense kitchen table issues that affect Ohioans
Speaker 2: and Americans. They're talking about this crazy stuff like sports
Speaker 2: and you know, stuff that has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: the kitchen tabush. So Ohio went read, Ohio went red,
Speaker 2: and under Donald Trump he helped make it read. So
Speaker 2: now we've won a lot of races in Ohio. And
Speaker 2: this is the Democrats answer. It's to try to put
Speaker 2: issue one in the law into our Constitution so they
Speaker 2: can start to win elections and gain power both in
Speaker 2: Columbus and in Washington DC. This has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with good government, has nothing to do with citizens in
Speaker 2: this process.
Speaker 3: It's all to use.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's word, malarkey indeed, and then the other things.
Speaker 1: There's a political spectrum out there. I know you're aware
Speaker 1: of this. I'm painfully aware of it. Even within the
Speaker 1: Democrat Party, the Republican Party, there is just such a wide,
Speaker 1: wide birth in terms of what people believe in, what
Speaker 1: their values are, what they think the policies of the
Speaker 1: party are. But then again, you've got a lot of
Speaker 1: independence out there. The guy in the program, the Vote
Speaker 1: Yes guy, said seventy percent of Ohioans are independent, and
Speaker 1: like scratching my head, going R well, he just based
Speaker 1: his pulling off of the primary voting. And we all
Speaker 1: know how skewed that is and how weird that is
Speaker 1: compared to a general election. In the final analysis, at
Speaker 1: some point in this convoluted process, they're gonna have thirty Republicans,
Speaker 1: thirty Democrats, and thirty independents. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what is an independent? You could have communists, you have
Speaker 1: Green Party people, you could have literally anybody across the
Speaker 1: entire spectrum of politics all the way over to some
Speaker 1: clan member. In terms of politics, how are you going
Speaker 1: to determine who gets to be within the thirty so
Speaker 1: called independence or you know, considering the broad spectrum of
Speaker 1: politics on either side of the R and D same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's it's sort of like, well, no,
Speaker 1: it's going to be evenly balanced.
Speaker 3: That does not answer the question, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that individual clearly doesn't understand the highest
Speaker 2: voting rules. First of all, there's no such thing as
Speaker 2: a registered Democratic or registered Republican in Ohio. What happens
Speaker 2: in Ohio is you select your party primary ballot in
Speaker 2: open primaries. So, if you Brian, you committed you conservative
Speaker 2: leaning or liberty meaning conservative as I knowed you to be,
Speaker 2: did you decided you wanted to be a Democrat? All
Speaker 2: you have to do is walk into the polling location
Speaker 2: saying I want a Democrat ballot. That doesn't you're not
Speaker 2: registered with any party, you don't know any allegiance. So
Speaker 2: this guy was wrong when he said seventy percent of
Speaker 2: the Highlands were independents. I look at this data every
Speaker 2: single day. I look at it more more than that
Speaker 2: this time of year, and there's there are very few
Speaker 2: actually people that are considered independence. Ultimately, when you look
Speaker 2: at the balloting, and some people may consider themselves that
Speaker 2: that they're voting, trends show them to be in one
Speaker 2: party or the other. But you've also nailed another important
Speaker 2: component of this thing, and that is when you draw
Speaker 2: these lines proportionally according to its language, you must draw
Speaker 2: them by political affiliation, right Bran. That is the definition
Speaker 2: of Jerry Man.
Speaker 1: I know, I know anyhow, and the formula to get
Speaker 1: from here to there is so crazy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Alex Chranth, I feel I can't think enough. If if
Speaker 1: all the Republicans get the message, and I imagine you
Speaker 1: would strongly encourage every one of my listening audiences to
Speaker 1: spread the word on this to their Republican or Conservative
Speaker 1: leading friends. Did an outright know on issue one, the
Speaker 1: way the state is trending, Trump's ahead, I think eight
Speaker 1: points or something. Bernie Moreno, actually I think is ahead.
Speaker 1: The most recent memo internal memo within the Republicans. If
Speaker 1: everybody would vote know on this, we would be okay
Speaker 1: if the state goes the direction it's currently going.
Speaker 2: That's right, then I would urge people to read the
Speaker 2: language to the language is very clear about what this does.
Speaker 2: And thank god Republicans on the ballot board and both
Speaker 2: on the Supreme Court, you know, put the appropriate language
Speaker 2: before Ohio voter. So look read the language.
Speaker 3: You'll see.
Speaker 2: It puts jerrymandering into our constitution. It puts an unelected
Speaker 2: bureaucracy in charge of the process that affects your life.
Speaker 2: It's a no vote on Issue one. Tell all your
Speaker 2: friends follow us on social media. We've done a ton
Speaker 2: of social media on this, on Facebook and Twitter. It's
Speaker 2: on our website as well. So don't believe all those ads.
Speaker 2: Those ads are twenty five million dollars of out of
Speaker 2: state money pouring into Ohio trying to convince Ohilands, you know,
Speaker 2: just to see it their way.
Speaker 3: So ignore all that vote.
Speaker 1: No and look at the list of those who the
Speaker 1: endorsed organizations who have endorsed Issue one. It's a litany
Speaker 1: of unions and left wing organizations top to bottom, Alex
Speaker 1: Trantefila ahead of the legal women.
Speaker 2: Voters being first among them. That's a left wing intro scoop.
Speaker 2: And don't be pooled by that left Legal Women Voters
Speaker 2: is a far left interest group, so again, don't be
Speaker 2: fooled by them either.
Speaker 3: So thank you.
Speaker 1: That's just one of a whole bunch of them too.
Speaker 1: Thank you Alex Chrantefila out of the Republican Party here
Speaker 1: in the state of Aye. We'll talk again. Keep up
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