1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: What if everything you thought you knew about the fundamental forces, 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,759 the ones holding our universe together? What if that was 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,480 incomplete or even I mean, dare I say it wrong? 4 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: That's a big thought to start with. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: It is imagine a cosmos not really sculpted by gravity primarily, 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,920 but by something else entirely, a different, really powerful force, 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,800 something binding galaxies, igniting stars in ways we will barely 8 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:28,440 even considered. 9 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm intrigued. 10 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:32,039 Speaker 1: Where are we going with this today? We're doing a 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,240 truly mind bending deep dive into an alternative theory of 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,039 the cosmos, a vision of the universe as this vast 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,439 interconnected electrical circuit. 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,679 Speaker 2: An electrical circuit. Wow. 15 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, We're going to explore this radical idea, drawing from 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,079 a whole collection of research, historical accounts, some pretty cutting 17 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:52,359 edge science experiments, and even ancient myths that seem to 18 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:55,039 like echo these huge cosmic events. 19 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:56,359 Speaker 2: Myths and science together. 20 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Our mission, as always, is to pull out the most 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,280 important bits of knowledge. The surprising insights from all these 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,000 sources give you that shortcut to being really well informed 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,480 without you know, feeling toribally overwhelmed. 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,079 Speaker 2: Sounds good. A shortcut through a potentially radical idea. 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: Exactly, So get ready for a journey that might just 26 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:18,599 rewire your whole understanding of reality. 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: Okay, well, before we dive into the rewiring part, and 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,400 maybe it's helpful to quickly set the stage. You know, 29 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:29,560 what's the current accepted picture from mainstream. 30 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: Science, good idea, lay the groundwork right. 31 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,879 Speaker 2: So, our standard cosmological theory, the one you learn in school, 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,319 tells us the universe kicked off with the Big Bang, 33 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:41,159 this like unimaginable burst of energy setting everything in motion. 34 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:42,439 Speaker 1: The Big Bank got it. 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: Then, for the first maybe four hundred thousand years or so, 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,879 the universe was mostly just this hot, vast, pretty uniform soup, 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,159 mainly hydrogen and helium, with photons bouncing all over the place. 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,680 A simpler time, a much simpler, hotter time. Then, according 39 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:00,599 to this standard theory, gravity starts to take It's seen 40 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,319 as this invisible, pervasive hand pulling stuff together. 41 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:05,079 Speaker 1: The great sculptor. 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: That's the idea. Gravity pulls these clouds of hydrogen and 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,080 helium together slowly, slowly, making them denser. Over vast amounts 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,120 of time, these bundles get compressed under their own weight, 45 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,800 heat up like crazy. 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,199 Speaker 1: Until bang stars ignite exactly they. 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: Hit critical temperatures, critical pressures, and boom, fusion starts. The 48 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,159 first stars are born. Then gravity keeps working, pulling those 49 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:32,000 stars into these massive collections we call galaxies. 50 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: And galaxies into clusters, you. 51 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: Got it, galaxies into clusters, making these even bigger cosmic structures. 52 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:41,000 And all the while stars live, they die, they explode 53 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,240 in supernovas, creating heavier elements. 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Right, the stuff planets are made of, like us. 55 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: Precisely, gravity steps in again, clumps those heavier elements together, 56 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:52,280 forms planets, and they settle into orbits around their stars. 57 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:56,520 It's this whole gravitational cascade that supposedly leads to everything 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:56,960 we see. 59 00:02:57,039 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: It's a neat picture, very elegant, it is. 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: And the modern understanding of this gravity, the one that 61 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,960 underpins well pretty much all of modern astrophysics, that came 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,759 from Albert Einstein his Theories of General and Special Relativity, 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,680 published way back in nineteen fifteen. 64 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,039 Speaker 1: Right, Einstein the father of modern gravity theory. And it's, 65 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,159 like you said, a beautiful, intricate theory shaped everything for 66 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,919 over a century. It's accepted. But even Einstein himself didn't 67 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,919 he see a problem. 68 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: He did, or at least the theory presented a problem 69 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,800 when you looked closely at large scales. 70 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:33,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, fundamental puzzle, right, especially when you look at galaxies, 71 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:35,039 this whole missing mass. 72 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: Thing exactly, the missing mass problem. 73 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: Explain that a bit. Why is mass missing? 74 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,759 Speaker 2: Well, think about it. We can see stars, gas, dust clouds, 75 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,879 and galaxies. We can measure how much stuff is there roughly, 76 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:49,639 and we can see how fast everything's spinning. Okay, The 77 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:52,520 problem is when you calculate the gravitational poll needed to 78 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,960 hold a galaxy together given how fast it's spinning, the 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,800 gravity from all the visible stuff just isn't enough, not 80 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:00,599 nearly enough. 81 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,639 Speaker 1: So based on what we see, galaxies should just fly apart. 82 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: They really should. Yeah, like a spinning merry go round 83 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,439 that suddenly disintegrates based purely on the visible matter in 84 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,319 Einstein's gravity. They're moving too fast to stay together, right, 85 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:14,439 But obviously they don't fly apart. 86 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: They hold together just fine. So what's the explanationon what's 87 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:18,120 holding them? 88 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,439 Speaker 2: Ah? Well, that is the million dollar question in mainstream cosmology, 89 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,480 and the prevailing answer, the sort of placeholder solution is 90 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,079 dark mattal dark matter. 91 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: We hear that term a lot, we do. 92 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: It's everywhere in popular science. But here's the kicker, the 93 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,720 really crucial detail that sometimes gets glossed over. Despite decades, 94 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,439 literally decades of searching, spending enormous amounts of money on 95 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:49,720 incredibly sensitive experiments, there is zero direct empirical proof that 96 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,360 dark matter actually exists. 97 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,959 Speaker 1: None, wait, none at all. But it's talked about like 98 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,600 it's a fact. 99 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:57,319 Speaker 2: It's talked about as a necessity for the theory to work. 100 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,800 It's purely hypothetical. It's supposed to be this invisible, undetectable 101 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,000 stuff that doesn't interact with light or electromagnetism, only with gravity. 102 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,319 Speaker 1: So it's like a theoretical patch, a band aid you 103 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:07,680 called it. 104 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: You could call it that, or a fudge factor. Some 105 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:14,680 critics might say it's invoked solely because the existing theory 106 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,079 of gravity doesn't match observations without it. It's continued necessity 107 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,439 really highlights a huge gap in our understanding. It makes 108 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:24,560 you ask, you know, are we just looking for something 109 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,319 that isn't there because our model. 110 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,319 Speaker 1: Needs it to be, or is the model itself maybe 111 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:30,399 missing something. 112 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: Fundamental percisely is the foundation flawed? 113 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: And that, my friends, is exactly where we pivot right 114 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:40,439 into this radical maybe paradigm shifting idea. What if the 115 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,000 universe isn't held together mainly by gravity, or at least 116 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,120 not by gravity plus some invisible mystery matter. Okay, what 117 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,800 if the real dominant force, the thing binding the cosmos 118 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,120 together on the grandest scales, is something way more familiar, 119 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,279 something we use every day, but maybe vastly underestimated in 120 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,000 its cosmic power. What if it's electricity. 121 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: Ah, so that's the core of it, the electric universe. 122 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:05,319 Speaker 1: That's the electric universe theory or EUT, and it paints 123 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:08,800 a profoundly different picture. Instead of space being mostly empty 124 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:11,240 vacuum with isolated gravity, wells uh. 125 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: Huh, this theory says space itself is permeated by this vast, intricate, 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,600 energetic sea of ionized particles, a massive, pervasive field of 127 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:21,720 plasma plasma. 128 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,439 Speaker 1: Okay, define that again. Not just lightning, Not just lightning. 129 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: No, it's often called the fourth state of matter, beyond 130 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,920 solid liquid gas. Think of our sun. It's mostly plasma. 131 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,720 In fact, almost all stars are plasma. Oka And get this, 132 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:37,920 plasma makes up over ninety nine point nine percent of 133 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,160 the visible universe. Nebulae the space between galaxies. It's mostly plasma. 134 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,040 It's the dominant form of matter. We can actually see. 135 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,199 Speaker 1: Ninety nine point nine percent. Wow, I didn't realize it 136 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:48,519 was that much. 137 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:52,199 Speaker 2: It's almost everything visible. And according to eut this plasma 138 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,920 isn't just sitting there, it's active. It functions like a dynamic, 139 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,879 interconnected single electric circuit. 140 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,959 Speaker 1: A single circuit connecting what. 141 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: Connecting everything, every galaxy, every star, every solar system, conducting 142 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,800 electricity efficiently over these immense cosmic distances. And here's a 143 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,040 really crucial part of the theory. It claims that within 144 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:15,519 this circuit, information and energy get transmitted much faster than light. 145 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: Whoa okay, hold on faster than light? That breaks Einstein 146 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:20,199 right there, doesn't it. 147 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:23,399 Speaker 2: It certainly challenges a key part of relativity. Yes, and 148 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,639 if this whole idea is true, well it's not just 149 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,959 a tweak to the current models. It means a complete 150 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,199 rewrite physics, astronomy, our whole understanding of the cosmos. Everything changes. 151 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: Okay, that is a bold claim. A universe wired by 152 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,040 electricity faster than light communication. It flies in the face 153 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:43,920 of so much established science. But you mentioned myths and 154 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,279 archaeology earlier. Where does that fit in? That seems even 155 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,279 stranger right. 156 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,519 Speaker 2: This is where it gets, as you said, really interesting, 157 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,600 because the EUT proponents, they aren't just looking at physics 158 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:57,199 equations or telescope data. They're planning what they see as surprising, 159 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:01,920 compelling evidence in ancient archaeology, geological formations here on Earth 160 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,680 and other planets, and in those myths passed down for millennium. 161 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,120 How so, the EUT claims that way back in our 162 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,480 deep past, our Solar System, our night sky looked totally different. 163 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:17,199 It was this vibrant, active tapestry of glowing plasma, much 164 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,920 more visually dynamic than. 165 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: Today, glowing plasma in the sky. 166 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,279 Speaker 2: That's the idea. And then some kind of draftic cosmic 167 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:28,040 event happened, a cataclysm, something huge that fundamentally changed that 168 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,279 celestial view. And our ancestors, they claim, witnessed this, They 169 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,799 saw it happen, they saw it, experienced it, and recorded 170 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:38,240 it on scientific journals, obviously, But in their stories, their symbols, 171 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,240 their art, their myths, and these records, they argue, don't 172 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,320 just describe changes in the sky. They describe catastrophes that 173 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,919 left physical scars, not just on Earth but all over 174 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:49,600 the Solar System. 175 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: Scars like physical marks on planet exactly. 176 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:55,159 Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of those purported scars. Take the 177 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,960 Grand Canyon right here on Earth, iconic landmark, mainstream geology. 178 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,159 He says it formed slowly, right, tectonic uplift Colorado River 179 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,919 eroding it over millions of years. 180 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the standard explanation, slow and steady. 181 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: Slow and steady. But UT proponents say, look closer, look 182 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,279 at the river and its tributaries from above, like on 183 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,919 satellite images. They split off at these really odd but 184 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:20,360 very consistent angles. 185 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: Odd angles, how so well. 186 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: They argue these patterns, the junctions, the branching. It looks 187 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,480 remarkably like current flowing and electronics, like the patterns you 188 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:32,559 see in electrical circuit diagrams. Many EUT folks are electrical 189 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,919 engineers or whatever, so these patterns jump out at them. 190 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,399 Speaker 1: Okay, circuit patterns in a canyon. That's a leap, it is. 191 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: But here's their reasoning. They see the universe as this 192 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,399 ocean of electricity. But normally it's all balanced, stable, like 193 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,279 the wiring in your house. You don't see the power 194 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,159 unless something goes wrong, like a short circuit or a 195 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,639 power surge. Right, But if the electrical balance of our 196 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:57,919 solar system gets thrown off. The theory says, you get 197 00:09:57,919 --> 00:10:02,919 these violent arcs, huge interplanetary lightning bolts, jumping between planets, 198 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,679 lightening between plants, colossal discharges, and these arcs, they claim, 199 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:12,559 travel across surfaces, leaving behind these deep, distinct, geometrically weird scars. 200 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,960 They literally etched the landscape. 201 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: So the Grand Canyon possibly carved by a giant space 202 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,799 lightning bolt, not just a river. 203 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: That's the EUT perspective. Yes, yeah, or at least initiated 204 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,080 by electrical discharge and maybe later modified by water. But 205 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,639 the primary carving agent, they argue, was electrical m mars. 206 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned Vals Marineras earlier, that huge canyon system. Does 207 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:37,279 that fit this idea too. 208 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:40,519 Speaker 2: It's a prime example for them. Valas Marinaras is staggering. 209 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:43,879 It stretches across a distance roughly equal to the entire 210 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,559 United States. It's way deeper than the Grand Canyon. Mainstream 211 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,279 geology talks about tectonics, crust stretching, maybe some ancient water 212 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,519 flow over billions of years, another slow process, another slow process. 213 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,000 But EUT proponents look at it and say, no way, 214 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,679 this looks like something carved it out fast and violently. 215 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,360 Like an enormous lightning bolt, an electric arc advancing unsteadily 216 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,159 across the surface, just gouging out huge chunks of the 217 00:11:08,159 --> 00:11:08,960 planet gouged. 218 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: Wow, does it look like the Grand Canyon patterns parts 219 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:12,039 of it? 220 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, they point to similar branching patterns, similar tributary like 221 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,919 features that look more like electrical discharge patterns than typical 222 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,279 water erosion on that scale. 223 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so Earth, Mars, anywhere else? 224 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:26,279 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, they claim these kinds of scars, these massive 225 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:29,639 canyons and gashes are found on rocky planets and moons 226 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,679 all over the Solar System Venus, Mercury, Pluto, even moons 227 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,720 of the outer planets like Uranus's moon Titania, which has 228 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:41,200 this enormous gash almost one thousand miles. 229 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,879 Speaker 1: Long, one thousand miles long on a. 230 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: Moon, exactly way out of proportion for typical geological processes 231 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,960 on a small body like that. The fact that these 232 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,840 features appear on such different worlds with different gravity, different geology, 233 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:57,840 EUT says, the common factor is interplanetary electrical discharge. 234 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: Okay, so if these giant lightning bolts were flying around, 235 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:03,399 hitting Earth, hitting Mars, what does that mean for our 236 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,720 planet's history? You mentioned a catastrophic. 237 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: Event right, connecting it back to Earth. EUT believers think 238 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,960 these interplanetary bolts have hit Earth multiple times, and they 239 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,600 point specifically to evidence for a really catastrophic electrical event 240 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:18,120 around twelve thousand years ago. 241 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: Twelve thousand years ago. What was happening then? 242 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: That timing lines up almost perfectly with a known period 243 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,960 of massive climate upheaval, called the Younger Dryas. 244 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: The Younger Dryas I've heard of that rapid warming. 245 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: Ice melt extremely rapid. According to EUT, this wasn't gradual 246 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,360 melting over centuries. It was like the ice caps melted 247 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,159 almost instantly, maybe within a week a week. 248 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: How is that even possible? 249 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: Well, their explanation is a massive electrical event. Imagine the 250 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:48,080 heat from a colossal interplanetary lightning strike hitting the ice sheets. 251 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,320 The result, unimaginable tsunamis maybe one thousand feet high, scouring coastlines, 252 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:58,120 sea levels riding hundreds of feet almost overnight, a complete 253 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,440 reshaping of Earth's surface. 254 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,519 Speaker 1: That's terrifying, a global catastrophe. Does mainstream science have an 255 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,559 explanation for the Younger Dryas? 256 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: There are mainstream theories, Yeah, like a giant asteroid or 257 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:11,679 comet impact, there's some disputed evidence for that, or maybe 258 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,799 a massive solar flare, a huge coronal mass ejection from 259 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:15,720 the Sun hitting Earth. 260 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so big external events are considered, yes. 261 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,279 Speaker 2: But EUT argues that only a massive bolt of interplanetary 262 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,080 lightning can really explain the sheer speed and scale of 263 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,279 the changes, the near instant melting, the colossal. 264 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: Floods, and this ties into flood myths exactly. 265 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: They point out that nearly every culture on Earth has 266 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:41,519 a flood myth, Gilgamesh, Noah, indigenous stories from the Americas, Africa, Asia, everywhere. 267 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,759 EUT suggests these aren't just local floods, they're collective memories 268 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:49,240 of actual global catastrophes, backed up, they say, by the 269 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,360 geological evidence of the younger dryas. Wow. 270 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: And these myths do they describe the sky differently too? 271 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:58,919 Speaker 2: They often do. Yeah, Many ancient myths describe a sky 272 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,519 that looks profound only different from ours today, hinting at 273 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:05,320 a time when the planets were maybe arranged differently, playing 274 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,200 a much more dramatic visible. 275 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:09,759 Speaker 1: Role, So a different sky. And you mentioned Saturn earlier, 276 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:11,799 not Venus, but Saturn being important. This is where it 277 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:12,840 gets really strange. Right. 278 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: This is where it departs radically from standard astronomy. The 279 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:19,799 electric universe theory makes this incredible claim. Back then, during 280 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,600 the time of these myths and cataclysms, Venus as we 281 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:24,200 know it didn't exist yet. 282 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:25,919 Speaker 1: Venus didn't exist, not in its. 283 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: Current planetary form. Instead, they propose our nearest planetary neighbor 284 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:30,360 was Saturn. 285 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Saturn, but it's so far away now. 286 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,919 Speaker 2: Exactly, They suggest it was much much closer, so close 287 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:40,919 that Earth and Saturn formed a binary planet system like 288 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,720 dance partners, orbiting the Sun together. 289 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: A binary system Earth and Saturn. 290 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:47,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. And because they were supposedly locked together orbiting and sank, 291 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,840 Saturn wouldn't rise or set in our sky. It would 292 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,720 appear fixed, hanging there, dominating the heavens, likely near the 293 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:58,200 celestial pole, a constant, massive presence. 294 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:01,399 Speaker 1: Fixed in the sky like the but a whole planet 295 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,240 kinda yeah. 296 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: And they point to ancient texts like Egyptian descriptions of 297 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,200 the creator god Adam eternally positioned at the poll as 298 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,639 evidence for this configuration. 299 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Okay, my mind is officially boggled. Where did this idea 300 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:15,960 even come from? It sounds completely out of left field. 301 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,559 Speaker 2: A lot of It traces back to a very controversial 302 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,639 but influential figure named Immanuel Velakowski. In nineteen fifty he 303 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:25,000 published a bestseller called Worlds in Collision. 304 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: Worlds in Collision I've heard of That book, very controversial, 305 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,360 extremely Veelikowski basically argued that Earth has gone through these 306 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,639 massive cosmic upheavals within human memory. 307 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: And he didn't base this on telescopes, but on painstakingly 308 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:45,440 collecting ancient records from everywhere Egyptian papyri, Babylonian tablets, mind codices, 309 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:46,320 hindu Vedas. 310 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: So he was looking at ancient texts and myths yes. 311 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:53,559 Speaker 2: And archaeological evidence like ancient calendars that suddenly stopped making sense, 312 00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:59,559 plus radical interpretations of geology, paleontology, even palaeomagnetism. He pioneered 313 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,120 what's called comparative. 314 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:03,639 Speaker 1: Mythology, comparing myths across. 315 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: Cultures right looking for common themes beyond just flood myths. 316 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,200 He found recurring stories told differently but with similar cores, 317 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:13,200 suggesting they weren't just borrow tales but shared human memory 318 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,919 of catastrophes that took place in historical times. He took 319 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,600 these myths literally. 320 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: Literally, as in the gods fighting were actual planets, that. 321 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: Was his interpretation. Yes, these ancient gods weren't distant lights, 322 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:29,320 they were immense celestial bodies, often planets, that presided over 323 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:33,000 mythical Golden Age, and central to that Golden Age, he argued, 324 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:33,639 was Saturn. 325 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:36,279 Speaker 1: Saturn again, the ruler of the Golden Age. 326 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,639 Speaker 2: That's what many ancient traditions seemed to say. The Egyptians 327 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:43,159 Adam at the Pole, the Babylonian supreme god Anu at 328 00:16:43,159 --> 00:16:46,759 the polestar linked to Saturn. The Greeks and Romans saw 329 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:50,480 Saturn or Cronos as the primeval sun god, ruling a 330 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,919 lost paradise. 331 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,039 Speaker 1: The sun god. But Saturn isn't the Sun. 332 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,279 Speaker 2: Well, the old Latin name for Saturn was Soul, meaning sun, 333 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:00,919 and the Greek name Cronos was also sometimes Helios, also 334 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,759 meaning sun. Historians noted this connection to Quotos and Helios 335 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:08,519 were once the same god. Astronomical histories from Greece, Persia, 336 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,839 China all claimed Saturn ruled the world. Okay, the Golden 337 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,640 Age itself is called the Reign of Saturn. The original 338 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,680 site of Rome was called Saturnia. Even the Jewish Sabbath 339 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,119 Saturday is literally Saturn's Day. 340 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: Ah, the connections are certainly there, and the names and myths, 341 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,759 But how could Saturn, even if closer, be that central. 342 00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:27,599 It still seems strange. 343 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: Vilikowski found it strange too, That was the puzzle. Eut's 344 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:34,160 answer is it was that close. It genuinely dominated the sky, 345 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,640 and that binary system configuration fixed, always there, a constant 346 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,359 looming presence. 347 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: Okay. And someone continued this work after Velakovsky. 348 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:45,799 Speaker 2: Yes, David Talbot built on it, looking deeply into ancient 349 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:49,440 symbols and prehistoric art worldwide, and he found this recurring 350 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,319 image everywhere from prehistoric times that depicted a sky totally 351 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,799 different from ours, but consistent across cultures. It's called the 352 00:17:56,839 --> 00:17:59,279 cosmic wheel or the celestial mill. 353 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: The cosmic wheel. What did it look like? 354 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,559 Speaker 2: It was often shown as the throne of the gods 355 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,680 or the eye of the cosmos. You find versions in 356 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:14,240 ancient Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, in Ireland, California, Africa, Scandinavia, Mexico, Mesopotamia, 357 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:15,720 basically everywhere. 358 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:16,519 Speaker 1: What did it show? 359 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: It consistently shows three objects arranged in a specific way 360 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:22,880 in the center, sort of furthest back is a large, 361 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,240 dominant planet identified as Saturn, then closer to the viewer, 362 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:29,039 a smaller, darker planet identified as Mars. 363 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: Saturn and Mars. What's the third object in. 364 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,079 Speaker 2: The middle between Saturn and Mars. There's this glowing object 365 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,279 emitting light and energy, and the theory suggests the combined 366 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,559 energy of these three objects washed over the Earth. 367 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: Energy washing over Earth. What kind of energy this. 368 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,279 Speaker 2: Continuous flow of cosmic plasma supposedly, and they make the 369 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:50,680 extraordinary claim that this energy gave humans incredibly long life 370 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,279 spans hundreds or even thousands of years, echoing those old 371 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,000 myths and king lists. This whole period was the Golden 372 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:04,359 Age of Saturn, peace abundance, until until something terrible happened. 373 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:07,000 The Golden age ended violently. 374 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: Okay, what ended it? How does the cosmic wheel explain 375 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:10,559 the end? 376 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: Remember wal Thornhill, the electrical engineer. When he saw Talbot's 377 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,400 work on the cosmic wheel, he apparently had this light 378 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,799 bulb moment. He said the design was instantly recognizable because 379 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:23,240 it looked just like electric discharges in the laboratory. 380 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,599 Speaker 1: So the wheel itself represented an electrical phenomenon, that. 381 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,039 Speaker 2: Was his interpretation, powered by immant electrical forces. And think 382 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,079 about how the Golden Age supposedly ended in myth often 383 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,680 with a war between gods. 384 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: Right, Zeus versus Kronos, Jupiter versus. 385 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: Saturn exactly, and what was the god's favorite weapon? The thunderbolt? 386 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,759 Hindu texts describe God's warring in the sky with energy 387 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:51,119 weapons Zeus's thunderbolt, Apollos arrows, Neptune's trident. Et interprets these 388 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,880 not as metaphors, but as descriptions of actual celestial thunderbolts 389 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,440 jumping between planets. 390 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: Planets shooting lightning at each other. 391 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,039 Speaker 2: That's the visual ancestors see these immense electrical arcs and 392 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:03,680 interpreting them as God's battling. 393 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:08,559 Speaker 1: Okay, so back to the cosmic wheel Saturn, Mars and 394 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:10,519 that glowing middle object. What was that? 395 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: The glowing middle object they identify as Venus? 396 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:16,759 Speaker 1: Venus, But you said it didn't exist yet. 397 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,519 Speaker 2: Didn't exist in its current form. The theory gets even 398 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:23,400 wilder here. It claims Venus didn't form slowly like other planets. 399 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:26,480 It was born violently and much more recently. Wow, it 400 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,920 proposes Venus was ejected from Jupiter. 401 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: Ejected from Jupiter, Jupiter spat it out. 402 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, a massive junk of Jupiter, which is mostly 403 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,240 plasma anyway, got expelled. It started as a giant comet 404 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,519 blazing through the Inner Solar System before eventually settling into 405 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:42,359 its current orbit as Venus, a. 406 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: Comet that became a planet. Is there any mythical support 407 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,759 for that, they argue, Yes. 408 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,799 Speaker 2: The Greek myth of Athena being born fully formed from 409 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,039 Zeus' Jupiter's forehead shaking Heaven and Earth Maya and Babylonian 410 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,960 myths calling Venus a fiery or blazing star like a comet. 411 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,960 The Egyptian myths of isis link to Venus becoming a 412 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,640 fiery star that descended to the Earth. 413 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,839 Speaker 1: Okay, this is a lot. So Venus is born, things 414 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,160 get unstable. 415 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:13,319 Speaker 2: Exactly Earth, the new comet Venus, Mars, Saturn. They all 416 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:16,799 drifted too close. Somehow. The proximity led to those massive 417 00:21:16,839 --> 00:21:17,759 bolts of lightning. 418 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: Arcing between them, and that's what carved the canyons, that's. 419 00:21:20,039 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: The claim, blasting craters in the Moon, tearing through Earth 420 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,559 to make the Grand Canyon, gouging out Valis Marineris on Mars. 421 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:30,279 This chaotic war of the gods, this electrical mayhem, eventually 422 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,359 settled down. The planets moved to their current orbits, leaving 423 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,599 us with the scars and the quieter sky. We see. 424 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:38,519 Speaker 1: Now, it's an absolutely epic story, mind blowing really. But 425 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,039 if these events were so visual, so dramatic, are there 426 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:44,799 other traces maybe an ancient art besides the cosmic wheel? 427 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: Eut proponents think so. They point to ancient petroglyphs, rock 428 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,119 carvings found all over the world. You know the famous 429 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,039 Lasco Cave art, right, yeah, seventeen thousand years old. Amazing detail, realistic. 430 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,079 Speaker 1: Animals, Yeah, incredible stuff. 431 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,519 Speaker 2: But then in late rock art, depictions of humans often 432 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:06,720 become really crude, just stick figures outstretched arms, maybe dots 433 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:10,359 beside the body. Why would artists capable of realism suddenly 434 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,359 draw people like that? 435 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: Hmmm, that is a bit strange. 436 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,599 Speaker 2: Well. Plasma physicist Anthony Parratt studied high energy plasma discharges 437 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,519 in labs, and he generated computer animations of how these 438 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:25,559 discharges evolve. He claims these ancient stick figures aren't humans 439 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:25,880 at all. 440 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: Now humans, then, what are they? 441 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: They're animations step by step snapshots of a plasma discharge phenomena, 442 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,519 the specific type called a Z pinch instability viewed from 443 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:39,079 the side it naturally forms a central column, the body, 444 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,000 a torus or ring around it, the outstretched arms, a 445 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:44,920 sort of champagne glass shape on top, and a squashed 446 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,799 bell at the bottom. 447 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: You're saying ancient people drew pictures of plasma physics experiments 448 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,319 happening in the sky. 449 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: Essentially, yes, they saw these giant glowing objects in the sky, 450 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:58,559 these plasma formations during that chaotic period and recorded them. 451 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,559 They might have looked like giant glowing figures, easily interpreted 452 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,200 as God's battling in the heavens. Imagine seeing that bright, loud, violent. 453 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:09,279 Speaker 1: Okay, I can see how that would be interpreted as 454 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:10,039 God's fighting. 455 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,039 Speaker 2: Eventually, the theory goes the cosmic lightning stopped, the planets settled, 456 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,680 and these dramatic plasma displays faded, leaving us with the 457 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,359 sky we have today. Wow. 458 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,319 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's the narrative, ancient myths, geological scars, plasmistic figures. 459 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,640 It all weaves together, but it's still mostly interpretation. Right 460 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,519 to be actual science and needs hard proof. Can it 461 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:31,559 be proven in a lab? 462 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,039 Speaker 2: That's the critical question, absolutely, and eut proponents know they 463 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,079 need empirical validation. Now, think about stars like our sun. 464 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:44,000 Mainstream science says they're powered by nuclear fusion deep inside, right, 465 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,599 hydrogen fuses into helium, releasing energy, right. 466 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: The standard model of stars. 467 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: But eut scientists disagreed that fusion is the whole story, 468 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,640 or even the main driver. They believe electricity plays a 469 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,279 much bigger role, that stars aren't just self contained fusion reactors, 470 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,240 but are actual powered externally by those powerful electric currents 471 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,799 that permeate all of space, drawing energy from the cosmic 472 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:07,640 plasma circuit. 473 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,279 Speaker 1: So stars are like giant light bulbs plugged into the 474 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,960 universe's electrical grid. 475 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good analogy. Yeah, yeah, that's their core 476 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:20,119 idea about stars. And to test this, there's the Sapphire Project, 477 00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:23,039 an international team working in Canada for the last decade 478 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:23,279 or so. 479 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: The Sapphire Project. What are they doing. 480 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:29,759 Speaker 2: Their goal is incredibly ambitious, trying to recreate a star's 481 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,640 plasma environment in a lab to see if they can 482 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,000 get stellar like effects without nuclear fusion. How they built 483 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:39,759 this sophisticated plasma reactor chamber, filled it with low pressure 484 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:43,160 hydrogen gas mimicking space, and then pumped in a powerful 485 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,440 electrical current and they created this glowing ball. 486 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,599 Speaker 1: Of plasma a mini Sun in a box. 487 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: Kind of, and interestingly, the plasma apparently self organized into stable, 488 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:58,000 donut shaped fortices called double layers. These are like electrified shells, 489 00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:01,599 trapping particles, creating a bound somewhat analogous perhaps to a 490 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,480 star's structure. 491 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: Okay, self organizing plasma. What did they measure? Did it 492 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,680 act like a star? 493 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: Well, here's what they reported. They claimed to measure things 494 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:14,279 never seen in a lab before. Electron densities matching the suns, 495 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,640 huge electrical fields like eighty thousand volts per meter, a 496 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,119 sharp voltage drop off at the surface just like the 497 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,279 Sun's photosphere, core temperatures supposedly over eight hundred and eighty 498 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:29,119 thousand degrees celsius, hotter than the Sun's surface, uniform thermal 499 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,599 radiation like the Sun, and higher energy in the plasma's 500 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,799 corona its outer layer again like. 501 00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: The Sun, wait hotter than the Sun's surface, and all 502 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,359 this without fusion, just electricity. 503 00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:42,319 Speaker 2: That is the claim they created this mini Sun using 504 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:45,759 only electricity. But here's the part they described as most shockingly. 505 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:46,319 Speaker 1: There's more. 506 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,839 Speaker 2: They reported observing transmutation. The reactor was apparently changing elements 507 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,519 like iron and tungsten, into other elements like magnesium, calcium, titanium, 508 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:55,440 and seventeen others. 509 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: Transmutation, yeah, alchemy, changing lead into gold kind of stuff. 510 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,799 Speaker 2: Essentially, yes, changing one stable element into others. They explicitly 511 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,440 claimed they repeatedly transmuted tonsten and iron into more than 512 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,279 seventeen other stable elements. This, they argue, is exactly what 513 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,440 EUT predicts stars as electrical phenomena, potentially transmuting elements via 514 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:18,839 electrical processes, not just fusion. 515 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: If that's true, that's revolutionary, not just for astronomy, but 516 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,599 for energy. 517 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:27,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely. It hints at tapping into that quantum vacuum energy, 518 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,680 the ether that Tesla and Kozier have talked about. If 519 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,480 they could harness this potentially unlimited clean energy, it's a 520 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:35,319 massive claim. 521 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: Massive is an understatement, Okay, But there's another hurdle for EUT. 522 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:40,519 Isn't there this faster than light thing? You said, the 523 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,680 cosmic circuit transmits energy or information much faster than light. 524 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,359 Einstein said that was impossible. 525 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,839 Speaker 2: He did it was a fundamental speed limit in his universe. 526 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,319 But it turns out on this point Einstein seems to 527 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,880 have been wrong, and it's been proven. We're talking about 528 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,799 quantum entanglement. 529 00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Uh entanglement, the spooky action at a distance. 530 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: That's the one where two particles seem linked, communicating instantly 531 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,759 no matter how far apart. 532 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: They are instantly, not just faster than light, but literally 533 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,200 zero time delay. 534 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,759 Speaker 2: Zero time delay. Let's try to break it down. Simply 535 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,839 imagine two linked particles. If one spins up, its partner 536 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,240 must spin down instantly conservation of momentum. But in quantum mechanics, 537 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,279 particles are weird until you measure them. They're in a 538 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:28,519 fuzzy state, spinning both up and down at the same time. 539 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:31,599 It's called superposition, described by their wave function. 540 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: Okay, fuzzy state. Then you measure one. 541 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: Right, You measure particle A, and poof, its wave function collapses. 542 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,720 It chooses a state. Say it's spinning up instantly, you 543 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,000 know particle B must be spinning down. And when you 544 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,359 check particle B, its wave function has also collapsed instantly 545 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,640 into the downstate, even if you didn't touch it. 546 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: Okay, my brain hurts already. The measurement of one instantly 547 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,000 affects the other, no matter. 548 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: The distance, No matter the distance. Put particle A in 549 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,720 New York, particle B on the Moon, measure A, B 550 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,839 collapses instantly. Light takes one point two eight seconds to 551 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,599 get to the moon. B doesn't wait. 552 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't wait. Okay. 553 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: Particle A in Tokyo, particle B on Mars. Measure A 554 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,480 B collapses instantly. Light takes maybe twelve minutes to Mars. 555 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:17,039 B doesn't wait. Still instant, still, instant. Particle A in London, 556 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,000 Particle B in the Andromeda galaxy two point five million 557 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:21,039 light years away. 558 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Measure A don't tell me. B collapses instantly. 559 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: B collapses instantly. It doesn't wait two point five million 560 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,720 years for the news. Traveling at light speed, it knows immediately. 561 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:32,319 That's the spooky action that freaked Einstein out. 562 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,799 Speaker 1: I can see why it seems to violate causality, locality, 563 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,960 everything exactly. 564 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: Einstein hated it. He thought quantum mechanics must be incomplete. 565 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,440 In nineteen thirty five, he and Podolski and Rosen the 566 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,119 EPR paper argued there must be some hidden variable set 567 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,240 at the start, determining the states beforehand, because nothing can 568 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:53,640 go faster than light and effects must be local. Instantaneous 569 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,359 action at a distance made no sense. 570 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,039 Speaker 1: To him, so it was a theoretical argument for decades. 571 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: Pretty much until nineteen sixty four physicist John Bell came 572 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,440 up with the theorem Bell's theorem. It basically designed an 573 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,440 experiment to test if they were hidden variables or if 574 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,759 the spooky action was real, to see if particles really 575 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,920 don't care about distance or the speed of light. 576 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: And it was testable. 577 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: It was testable, and in the nineteen seventies experiments by 578 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,079 people like Iron Aspect started showing Bell was right and 579 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,920 Einstein on this point was wrong. The spooky action was real. Wow. 580 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,200 Then fast forward to twenty twenty two, a laying aspect, 581 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:33,440 John Klauser and Anton Zeilinger performed even more rigorous, loophole 582 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,160 free versions of these experiments. They proved definitively quantum particles 583 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,079 are non local. They do exchange information instantly, ignoring distance 584 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,480 and the speed of light. They won the Nobel Prize 585 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,200 in Physics for it. 586 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: So it settled science. Now, instantaneous quantum connection is real. 587 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,119 Speaker 2: It's experimentally verified beyond reasonable doubt, Which brings us back 588 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:53,279 to the huge question. 589 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: How are they communicating instantly? What's the medium? If it's 590 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,160 not light speed signals, what is it exactly? 591 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: Sound needs air or water, radio waves need the electromagnetic field. 592 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,079 What's the medium for quantum entanglement? And this is where 593 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:08,960 EUT proponents jump back in. 594 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: Let me guess the plasma bingo. 595 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,759 Speaker 2: They suggest the medium is that very same plasma that 596 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,440 fills the entire universe, the ether that Cozy Revan Tesla 597 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,359 talked about. This omnipressent energetic field is what allows for 598 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,240 instantaneous connection, they argue, it's the underlying fabric. 599 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,359 Speaker 1: So quantum entanglement becomes another piece of evidence for the 600 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,720 electric universe for them. 601 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: Yes, it potentially provides the mechanism for that faster than 602 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,920 light communication the theory requires, and it links back to 603 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,160 the Sapphire project, possibly tapping into this zero point energy 604 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:43,960 of the plasma field. It's why, despite being fringe EUT 605 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,880 and projects like Sapphire persists. The potential implications, if right, 606 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,480 are just enormous from cosmology at clean energy, maybe even 607 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,279 explaining consciousness. Some go even further, but that's another story. 608 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: Okay, let's recap this whirlwind early universe mostly hydrogen gravity 609 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,119 pulls it together, sure, but maybe electricity ignites the stars 610 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,079 and keeps them going powered by cosmic plasma. Then maybe 611 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,079 just thirty five hundred years ago, Venus pops out of 612 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,440 Jupiter like a comet, causes chaos, Earth, Mars, Saturn bounce 613 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,720 around like billiard balls. 614 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: Uh huh. The Cosmic Catastrophe. 615 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:20,039 Speaker 1: Period, great giant lightning arcs between planets, carving the Grand 616 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:25,079 Canyon valsmarneris blasting the Moon. Our ancestors saw this, drew 617 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,920 plasma discharges as stick figures and cosmic wheels. And now 618 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,759 the Sapphire Project claims they've made a mini Sun with 619 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,640 just electricity, maybe even transmuting elements and quantum entanglement proves 620 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,519 faster than light. Connection is real, possibly via this universal plasma. 621 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good summary to the UT narrative. 622 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: It's an amazing story. It hangs together in a weird, 623 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,799 compelling way. It connects dots across geology, myth physics. But 624 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:51,880 the big butt is any of this real? According to 625 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:53,160 you know, mainstream science? 626 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: Wow? Probably not, That's the short answer from the overwhelming 627 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,359 scientific and sensus. 628 00:31:57,359 --> 00:31:57,839 Speaker 1: Probably not. 629 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: Okay, why not? While the story is imaginative, the scientific 630 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,119 community largely views EUT as pseudoscience. There are major, well 631 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,200 documented problems for starters that whole venus is a commat 632 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,880 thing three five hundred years ago. Astronomical records completely contradicted. 633 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,359 We have detailed observations of Venus behaving like a regular 634 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:24,119 planet from Babylonians, Chinese astronomers, Mayans, going back thousands of 635 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,319 years before Vilakowsky's supposed comet birth date. Its orbit was tracked. 636 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:30,720 It wasn't a newcomer comet. 637 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a big historical contradiction. What about comets themselves? 638 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Didn't a NASA mission test some EUT ideas. 639 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,079 Speaker 2: It did. Remember NASA's Deep Impact mission in two thousand 640 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:42,799 and five. They slammed a probe into Comet Temple. 641 00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,039 Speaker 1: One right to see what's inside exactly. 642 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: And wal Thornhill, a major EUT figure, made very specific 643 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,319 predictions based on his electrical comet model. He said there'd 644 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,279 be huge electrical arcs before impact, the probe's equipment would 645 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,319 fail electrically, the commat would shoot out X rays and lightning. 646 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,599 And none of that happened. Zero n A. The probe worked, 647 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,559 find no electrical fireworks, just the expected dust and debris plume. 648 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,680 It was a direct public failure of specific EUT predictions about. 649 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: Comments ouch failed predictions are tough for any theory. 650 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,759 Speaker 2: They are, and critics point out that while EUT supporters 651 00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,960 might claim other predictions were right, it's hard to find 652 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,799 clear examples that were truly unique and verifiable, and they 653 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,279 tend to ignore the big misses like deep impact. 654 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: What about Thornhill himself. You mentioned his credentials were questioned. 655 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's often called a physicist or electrical engineer by followers, 656 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,319 but critics say there's a lack of verifiable evidence for 657 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,119 those academic credentials. His known background is as an IBM 658 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400 computer salesman, okay. And then there's his attitude towards peer review, 659 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,359 the standard process where other scientists check your work. You 660 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,279 famously dismissed it, reportedly saying he didn't need it because 661 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:52,119 he had no peers. 662 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: Not exactly embracing scientific scrutiny, not at all. 663 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,039 Speaker 2: Critics see that as incredibly arrogant, unscientific. Real science relies 664 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,079 on collaboration and rigorous challenge. 665 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:05,079 Speaker 1: What about the myths, the cosmic wheel, Saturn's Golden age 666 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:06,839 that seemed compelling. 667 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: Critics argue that's mostly cherry picking, selecting myths and symbols 668 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,639 that fit the narrative while ignoring others, and a key point, 669 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,199 Saturn's rings. If Saturn was that close and dominant, wouldn't 670 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,760 its most distinctive feature, the rings, be part of the story? 671 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: Good point? Were they mentioned? 672 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: No, and the rings weren't even discovered until sixteen ten 673 00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:31,159 by Galileo with a telescope. How could ancients depict or 674 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,719 describe something related to a close, detailed saturn if they 675 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,679 couldn't even see its most obvious feature. It suggests the 676 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,840 interpretations are likely symbolic, not literal, observations of close encounters. 677 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,639 Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. And the Sapphire project, the mini 678 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,320 sun the transmutation that sounded like potential hard evidence. 679 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,159 Speaker 2: Potential maybe, but highly suspect in the eyes of mainstream science. 680 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,480 The big issue is transparency and verification. Until their data 681 00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,320 is fully shared, peer reviewed by independent experts and their 682 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,199 experiments six ccessfully replicated by other labs, skepticism remains very high. 683 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: So no independent confirmation yet not. 684 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 2: That's widely accepted. Critics basically say we have to assume 685 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,039 their plasma reactor doesn't work as claimed until proven otherwise, 686 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,760 and they point out if it really did what they 687 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,239 say unlimited energy transmutation, they'd be drowning in funding from 688 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,880 governments and corporations Instead. 689 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: They're constantly looking for money. Yeah, you mentioned that right. 690 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 2: It raises red flags for critics. And then there's doctor L. 691 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,719 Morgan who was he He was reportedly the only actual 692 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,039 plasma physicists on the Sapphire team when it started, and 693 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:41,159 his assessment in emails that became public was brutal. He 694 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,840 called the whole electric universe concept fraudulent. 695 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: Bullshit, wow, strong words. 696 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,599 Speaker 2: Very He said the proponents don't really know any physics 697 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,840 or mathematics, called them crackpot scientists, amateurs and bozos. He 698 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,960 said he quit because they couldn't pay him anymore and 699 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,679 he was tired of working with amateurs. He'd been interested 700 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:01,000 in Velikowski back in the saye thought it was a 701 00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:03,960 great yarn, but concluded the physics was just wrang. 702 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,199 Speaker 1: That's pretty damning testimony from an insider physicist. Okay, so 703 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,639 it seems the scientific case against EUT is quite strong. 704 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,320 But this whole situation it brings up a bigger point, 705 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,800 doesn't it about how science itself works or maybe doesn't work. 706 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,119 Speaker 2: Sometimes it absolutely does. EUT is largely considered pseudoscience. Okay, 707 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:27,840 but think about Velakowski again. Worlds in Collision was a 708 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,519 massive bestseller. The public was fascinated, but the scientific establishment, 709 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:35,320 especially astronomers, actively worked to suppress it. 710 00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: Suppress it how They pressured. 711 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 2: His publisher McMillan, threatening boycott's to their textbooks if they 712 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,760 didn't drop the book. McMillan eventually caved, transferred it to 713 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,039 another publisher, and it vanished from the bestseller list despite 714 00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,400 huge sales. It was an extraordinary move. 715 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: They basically censored a best selling book because they didn't 716 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:54,760 like its ideas. 717 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: That's what it looks like. They argued they were protecting 718 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,280 the public from disinformation. But Velikowski looked he was probably 719 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,239 wrong about everything scientifically. Commat vienna is the electric sun, 720 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,719 all of it. 721 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: But it's okay to be wrong. 722 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 2: It's essential to be wrong sometimes that's how science progresses. 723 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,559 As Carl Sagan said, science is a self correcting process. 724 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,880 New ideas must face rigorous scrutiny and testing. But the 725 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,079 key word is scrutiny, not suppression. The worst part of 726 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,559 the Velakovsky affair wasn't that his ideas were wrong. It 727 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:28,960 was that scientists tried to shut down the debate entirely. 728 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: And that pattern trying to shut down debate instead of 729 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,920 engaging with evidence. Does that still happen? 730 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 2: Well, you hear arguments about it in various fields today, 731 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,199 don't you. Areas where people claim there are legitimate scientific 732 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,239 disagreements but only one side gets amplified, or dissenting views 733 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,880 face obstacles in publication or funding, or researchers feel pressured 734 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,559 to conform to a dominant narrative. 735 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely hear those concerns. 736 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,599 Speaker 2: And that's worrying because suppression isn't science. It might be politics, 737 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,440 it might be religion, but it's not the path to knowledge. 738 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,840 When science gets used primarily to maintain certain power structures, 739 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,840 or economic interests or political agendas. 740 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,559 Speaker 1: It stops being about finding the truth. 741 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: It potentially does. It can be used to give more 742 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,880 wealth to the wealthy, more power to the powerful, maybe 743 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,599 even weaponized to divide people. 744 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: And I think most of us listening we don't have 745 00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:18,559 a dog in those fights. We just want to know 746 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:20,400 what's actually true, right exactly? 747 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:25,039 Speaker 2: But imagine being a scientist today. Do you pursue a risky, 748 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:32,119 unconventional idea that might overturn orthodoxy but could get you ostracized, defunded, 749 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,280 maybe even deplatformed, or do you stick to this safe 750 00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:41,920 accepted science that leads to grants, publications, maybe some media appearances. 751 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,679 Speaker 1: That's a tough spot. It could lead to self censorship. 752 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,559 People just stop asking the risky questions. 753 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 2: Precisely, and history shows us again and again that accepted 754 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,960 and conventional ideas are often wrong. Fundamental breakthroughs often come 755 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,440 from unexpected sources, from people challenging the status quo. Like 756 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,880 Segan also pointed out, So. 757 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: The takeaway isn't necessarily whether the electric universe theory itself 758 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,400 is right or wrong. 759 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,559 Speaker 2: Maybe not. Maybe the bigger takeaway is about the process. 760 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,039 It leaves you with a rather provocative thought, something to 761 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,960 chew on when there's a mainstream scientific view out there 762 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,159 that suppresses debate and sensor scientists that disagree that mainstream 763 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,880 scientific view exists for money and for power, not for 764 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,760 the truth. That's a strong claim from the sources we 765 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,320 looked at, but it's definitely food for thought about how 766 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,880 knowledge progresses or doesn't. Wow. 767 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 1: Okay, well, what an incredible mind bending journey that was 768 00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:36,000 seriously deep dive into the electric universe. We went from 769 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,239 ancient myths and planetary scars supposedly carved by cosmic lightning 770 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,400 all the way to lab experiments trying to make mini 771 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,239 suns with electricity, and even into the truly weird world 772 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,239 of quantum entanglement defying Einstein. 773 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 2: We covered a lot of ground the theory, the evidence 774 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,559 presented for it, the critiques against it. 775 00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: Exactly. We looked at the arguments for it, but also 776 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,679 really dug into the mainstream counter arguments, the failed predictions, 777 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,840 the questions about credentials and data, and the bigger questions. 778 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,719 This all raises about how science works, how debates happen, 779 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,639 or sometimes how they're stifled. 780 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it touches on some fundamental issues. 781 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: So regardless of whether you walk away thinking the universe 782 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,760 is electric or sticking with gravity and dark matter, we 783 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,039 really hope this deep dive got you thinking, thinking about 784 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,400 the huge possibilities out there in the cosmos, and also 785 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,159 about the stories we tell, ancient and modern, about our 786 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,360 place within it, and. 787 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 2: Maybe, just maybe, in this age where information is everywhere, 788 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,440 the most valuable skill isn't just knowing stuff or having 789 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,599 all the answers. Maybe it's about knowing how to question 790 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,360 the answers you're given, and maybe trying to understand why 791 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,280 some questions some theories seem to be discouraged while others 792 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:46,920 are promoted. 793 00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:50,119 Speaker 1: Keep questioning, keep thinking critically exactly. 794 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,599 Speaker 2: Stay curious about the narratives, about the evidence, and maybe 795 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,920 even about the silences. Always dig deeper.