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Speaker 1: A lot of that is about to hit the fan now,

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Speaker 3: And welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial

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with us now, somebody who I've put on a number

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of events with interviewed on the show over and over again.

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He took a hiatus, but he is back now. Robert

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conquer Change dot com. Later on He's got a special

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offer for you. And if you've got a question for

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dot com. Robert, Hey, our audience, thirteen years of commentaries,

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you did an analysis for Goldseek Radio.

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Speaker 4: Just to tell us how that happened. Where it's at now?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, if you go back to two thousand

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your audience probably knows or maybe remembers. I mean, my

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meetings and things like that. My focus has always been

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on change, change management, conquering change. And I got involved

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juncture he did a quick interview with me. I thought

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habits and listening habits. But it turned into more than that.

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back then. And so he asked me, Hey, would you

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And I was headed to the New Orleans Investment Conference

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in two thousand and seven. It was also the year

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group and in Wisconsin at the state level. And I

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had a choice to go to the national conference and

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get indoctrinated, or I had a choice to go to

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Speaker 4: Well, I chose the latter, and that was great.

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Speaker 1: And I did commentaries pretty much every Friday for thirteen

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Speaker 3: Your commentaries and stuff with Chris Waltzek is what led

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so we really did go back even longer than you know. Yes, hey,

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so in twenty twenty you paused your commentaries. What led

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enter the world of internet radio and podcasting and youtubing.

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Speaker 1: So I like a lot of people, you know, I

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my own change, my own conquering of change.

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Speaker 4: Ruggetting too personal.

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Speaker 1: My wife of twenty seven years passed away in twenty

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Speaker 4: On some of that. And it's really right.

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during COVID obviously and for personal reasons. But I've I've

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my show? And it just we never quite got the

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timing right on that, but you convinced me at Christmas time,

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Speaker 3: And I you know, I missed your commentaries. I always

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found them entertaining and enlightening is one. I still remember

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where you were talking about driving through Wisconsin during Christmas

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time and things just didn't seem right, and you know,

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to start out with like a once a week installment

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a lot of them gold related, obviously, geopolitical related, bit

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cooin related, politically related. I mean, ultimately, the umbrella is

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the economy, and as you know, we have a real

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other broadcasts. I mean, I stay engaged with a huge

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that has never stopped. And so so I'm pretty good

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Speaker 4: Of where we're at.

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Speaker 1: And like you always say, it's always about what's.

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Speaker 4: Next, which is your mantra, And I think.

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Speaker 1: The dovetailing of those styles I think is going to

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be very successful here on FSN.

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Speaker 3: Actually we've updated that. It's on my latest business cards.

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You haven't seen it. It's our tagline is now is

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Speaker 4: Financially now more than ever? Okay, perfect.

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Speaker 3: So I guess you're going to be having a special

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projects in the coming months and years, and we'll probably

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but if not next, And this is going to be

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a long, fruitful relationship in it with you for another

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four years. I think by then I'll probably be at retirement,

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and you know I'll be it the happy acres uh oh,

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Speaker 4: You're like me, You're not. You got to stay engage.

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Is the patient terminal too late, stage stage four too

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late to save? Or is there a possibility of turning

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this turning this sinking ship around.

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Speaker 1: There's always a possibility, and I think I think we're

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engaging in that now, but not to be blinded to

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the reality around us. The one thing people always fail

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the inflation that occurred because of all the money that

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of turbulent change. But the main thing is little or

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no debt. If you can multiple streams of income and

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her interviews, and she is very closely affiliated with with

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and and if we're going to do any extrapolating, I

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advocating she may be able to implement. And I and

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he tried to get her more involved in his first administration.

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smart legity William and she's talking about a goldback bond,

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she's talking about with a long maturity date. I've several

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different discussions on that, and that can that discussion can

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factor in with all of the other hypotheses. I mean, yeah, So.

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extensive articles on it, interviews, et cetera. A.

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Speaker 4: Is the goal there? B?

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Speaker 3: If it's not there, can they afford to admit that

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it's not there? Wouldn't that cause a global financial pandemic

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the likes of which we've never seen? And see if

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Speaker 4: So what? Correct?

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Speaker 1: I think you're an attorney of recovering attorney, as you

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think this is going to be used

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to shift the debate. If the gold.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't been there. My guess is they've They've put a

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lot of it back. If the gold isn't there, well

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then there's going to be an avenue to extrapolate and

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implement whatever goalback policy is needed, and that's going to

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just make the miners sore. There are multiple outs. It's

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kind of like when a magician, as you know I am,

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it does.

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Speaker 4: Act on you.

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Speaker 1: You think you have a free choice, but no matter

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which of the five choices you had as a successful

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outcome and conclusion, but you think it's a free choice.

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Nobody's got a free choice when it comes to all

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the variations of what's going to happen with fort Knox,

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Trump knows, Manuchin knows, Shelton probably knows. But I think

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everyone's going to be really cagey, and I think they're

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going to use this to unpackage a next level economic agenda.

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That's I think the bottom line.

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Speaker 3: All right, So I'm going to run something val you

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and I'm working on this in the midst of an

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article about it. Bitcoin National bit Coin Reserve. So if

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you read the government suzzedly has two hundred eleven thousand

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bitcoins that they confiscated from the.

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Speaker 4: Ulbrich silk Road Yep.

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Speaker 3: That two hundred eleven thousand has been worth up to

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twenty two or three billion, and right now it's probably

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sixteen billion. Now, what if the government runs up the

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price of bitcoin because we're going to have this reserve

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and we've already seen bitcoin go from like cents on

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the dollar to one hundred thousand. What if it's ten

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million or twenty million per bitcoin, and then in our

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strategic reserve we've got thirty five trillion dollars worth of

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bitcoin and we just pay off the debt with bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: There could be That could absolutely be a possibility. I'm

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not going to discount anything. It's the what if game?

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Speaker 4: What if this? What if that?

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Speaker 1: No idea killers in this process, So that is definitely

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a possibility. Keep in mind, bitcoin, I believe all along

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since its inception, has been like the ultimate GOLDYTF for

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the last fifteen years. It is siphoned off investment that

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should have gone definitely. If you recall at our first

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Liberty Mastermind we did, we had quite a panel. Bitcoin

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was very young and newbile at that time. I think

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I was twenty fourteen. We did it in Dallas. We

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had a panel of six or seven very knowledgeable people

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correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: I think what was it? Twenty one million bitcoins is

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what was created. That's the max.

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Speaker 1: And if you remember during that panel discussion back then,

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this was a big topic at the time. Yes, it

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was like a missing thirty percent, three or four million

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of the points no one could account for. Well, that's

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like a pull back. You can manipulate a market with

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that hidden inventory anytime you want, so I'd be cures.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I personally don't know the status of that, and smarter

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people can probably enlighten us on that, or maybe you know,

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so I think that the whole bitcoin idea is possible.

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I had floated a concept in one of my gold

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seat commentaries, probably a decade ago, that if we ever

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went to a quote gold backing to the dollar, it

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would ultimately a psychological gold backing. And I won't go

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into this now, I know what you're saying, non convertible,

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but creating the impression or the illusion that we actually

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have a much more solid paper than we really do.

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And most everything is psychological nowadays anyhow, Yes, and another

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another idea that I had put forth was eventually having

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two class you know how there's two classes of stopcarry

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preferred stock, right, yeah, sure or near stop. So one

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of the ideas I had floated a long time ago

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was maybe we'll go to two different currencies for the US,

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one that might be used domestically at home, maybe that

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one's gold backed, or and we keep the dollar maybe

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for international trades and it diminishes in value. So maybe

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we'll end up with two stocks of the United States,

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one at home, one abroad.

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Speaker 4: I don't know which.

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Speaker 1: One day back by goal. I think some version of that,

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and all these other things we're talking about, I think

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are in the mix. We got really creative people working

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on this behind the scenes, and I think we're going

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to get surprised, just like we were the introduction of Doge.

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Speaker 4: All right, well, hey, Robert, appreciate you coming on. It's

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great act with you.

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Speaker 3: I'll look forward to disseminating your first talk later in

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the week and ask they tell us where to find you,

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how to connect with you on the web.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you'll be able to. After you can go

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to conquer change dot com. That will be my website

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for this. It's new, so it's going to be fresh.

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One of the things I'll be doing is over the

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of a handful of historical commentaries from each year, kind

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of tracing the run up to theeight incident, and then

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a couple of commentaries each year that really kind of

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summarize this journey that we've been on. Economically, not a

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ton of historical stuff, but enough to kind of give

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people that might be new and want to understand the

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activity and who knows, Carrie. Once we get going, maybe

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you and I will revisit the Liberty Mastermind. Hey, a

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lot of good people to get involved now.

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Speaker 3: I'm game and I think a lot more people interested

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than ever before. And Robert, thanks so much for coming on.

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It's a pleasure reconnecting with you. I'm looking forward to

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it lies ahead, and I think that big things are happening,

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big trends, and we're going to be part of it.

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Speaker 4: We sure are, Thanks Carrie, looking forward to it. Be well. Hey,

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same here.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got a question a comment for Robert myself.

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Klatcarrie LUTs dot com and you'll find a link to

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