Speaker 1: A lot of that is about to hit the fan now,
I believe, and I think right now, I think the
next four years are going to be monumental in terms
of economic change and development. I think a lot of
the changes people have been hypothesizing about in the gold market,
I think we're going to start to see the gears
engage on some of that.
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Speaker 3: And welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial
Survival Network. I'm your host, Terry Lutz. Well special guests
with us now, somebody who I've put on a number
of events with interviewed on the show over and over again.
He took a hiatus, but he is back now. Robert
Ian is with us. Make sure you go to his site,
conquer Change dot com. Later on He's got a special
offer for you. And if you've got a question for
Robert or myself, just shoot me an email Klatcarrie Lutz
dot com. Robert, Hey, our audience, thirteen years of commentaries,
you did an analysis for Goldseek Radio.
Speaker 4: Just to tell us how that happened. Where it's at now?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, if you go back to two thousand
and seven. I mean, well, first of all, I mean
your audience probably knows or maybe remembers. I mean, my
background is as a business and motivational speaker. So since
my twenties, I've been speaking to major corporations at sales
meetings and things like that. My focus has always been
on change, change management, conquering change. And I got involved
in precious metals back in the early two thousands, and
I had connected with Chris Waltzik at gold Seak Radio
and back and they'd only been on like about a
year and a half at the time, and at that
juncture he did a quick interview with me. I thought
it was going to be kind of a just a
quick puff piece, you know, but just about my watching
habits and listening habits. But it turned into more than that.
That initial interview was like twenty thirty minutes, and I
realized actually how much I knew about the gold market
back then. And so he asked me, Hey, would you
be willing to do like a weekly installment for us?
And I was headed to the New Orleans Investment Conference
in two thousand and seven. It was also the year
I became president of the National Speakers Association, my trade
group and in Wisconsin at the state level. And I
had a choice to go to the national conference and
get indoctrinated, or I had a choice to go to
the New Orleans Investment Conference.
Speaker 4: Well, I chose the latter, and that was great.
Speaker 1: And I did commentaries pretty much every Friday for thirteen
years on gold Seek on all the topics that we
know and speak about.
Speaker 3: So that went on from I guess two thousand and
seven to twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: And it's definitely thing because.
Speaker 3: Your commentaries and stuff with Chris Waltzek is what led
me to start podcasting in twenty ten and eleven, and
so we really did go back even longer than you know. Yes, hey,
so in twenty twenty you paused your commentaries. What led
you to do that and what's prompted you to re
enter the world of internet radio and podcasting and youtubing.
Speaker 4: Well a number of things.
Speaker 1: So I like a lot of people, you know, I
had to kind of walk the talk and deal with
my own change, my own conquering of change.
Speaker 4: Ruggetting too personal.
Speaker 1: My wife of twenty seven years passed away in twenty
twenty two, and leading up to that, she had developed
kind of a rare combination of als and lime disease,
which is a massive topic in and of itself.
Speaker 4: So I became her caretaker.
Speaker 1: You know, I've always kind of worked from home when
I'm not on the road and traveling, so she was
in nursing her whole year, so she had trained me
very well on how to manage her health and everything.
So it was really it was a really good time,
you know, to focus on that. I never disengaged ever
during that period, and ironically I kind of got out
and I think it was August twenty twenty was my
last commentary, and I was like three four months before
all the YouTube censorship was in vote before the twenty
twenty elections, so I missed some of that. And I
have to tell you, I just for you and everybody else,
I have massive respect for everyone who stayed the course
and have endured these massive censorship attacks on free speech.
So so I'm really up to speed on everything. Like
I say, never disengaged, and with Trump entering now for
his second term and the discussion on really where the
economy is going, I mean those changes things we've been
literally talking about, Carrie for for years, for a decade,
approaching two decades in some topics, A lot of a
lot of that is about to hit the fan now,
I believe, and I think right now, I think the
next four years are going to be monumental in terms
of economic change and development. I think a lot of
the changes people have been hypothesizing about in the gold market,
I think we're going to start to see the gears engage.
Speaker 4: On some of that. And it's really right.
Speaker 1: You know, I've i paused my speaking business that I
had been doing for twenty five years for you know,
during COVID obviously and for personal reasons. But I've I've
re engaged at the corporate level now and I'm doing
just a whole lot of things. And then we connected
literally over Christmas. I was in I was in Florida
and West Palm Beach. So we get together and you
you had asked me on several occasions back in like
twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen, why didn't you also be on
my show? And it just we never quite got the
timing right on that, but you convinced me at Christmas time,
and now it's March and we're starting, which is great.
Speaker 3: And I you know, I missed your commentaries. I always
found them entertaining and enlightening is one. I still remember
where you were talking about driving through Wisconsin during Christmas
time and things just didn't seem right, and you know,
it always felt like something you should be doing. So
speaking of which, so what kind of format we're looking
at here? What are we going to do together?
Speaker 1: Well, as you know we kind of talked, I'm going
to start out with like a once a week installment
for Financial Survival Network. It'll be on a myriad of topics,
a lot of them gold related, obviously, geopolitical related, bit
cooin related, politically related. I mean, ultimately, the umbrella is
the economy, and as you know, we have a real
leaning and interest in gold and its potential role moving forward.
So I'm going to have for you every Friday we'll
be doing and we'll do it first this week, probably
about My commentaries usually range anywhere from seven to ten
to fifteen minutes long. They're really quick listens and off
there just a synopsis of really some of the key
drivers that are going on in the economy. I mean,
I listen to a lot of your shows. I listened
to a lot of your key guests. I listen to
other broadcasts. I mean, I stay engaged with a huge
number of people personally within the gold and silver market
that has never stopped. And so so I'm pretty good
at synthesizing, pretty fair speaker, and so I think, you know,
we'll give a lot of good discussion points and a
quick synopsis of of.
Speaker 4: Of where we're at.
Speaker 1: And like you always say, it's always about what's.
Speaker 4: Next, which is your mantra, And I think.
Speaker 1: The dovetailing of those styles I think is going to
be very successful here on FSN.
Speaker 3: Actually we've updated that. It's on my latest business cards.
You haven't seen it. It's our tagline is now is
now more than ever?
Speaker 4: Financially now more than ever? Okay, perfect.
Speaker 3: So I guess you're going to be having a special
projects in the coming months and years, and we'll probably
have your your first commentary out I hope this week,
but if not next, And this is going to be
a long, fruitful relationship in it with you for another
four years. I think by then I'll probably be at retirement,
and you know I'll be it the happy acres uh oh,
along with our fight.
Speaker 4: You're like me, You're not. You got to stay engage.
It's absolutely it's about the ideas. You got it. Eh.
Speaker 3: So, like as far as where you see the country
at now, of does it matter that Trump's been elected?
Is the patient terminal too late, stage stage four too
late to save? Or is there a possibility of turning
this turning this sinking ship around.
Speaker 1: There's always a possibility, and I think I think we're
engaging in that now, but not to be blinded to
the reality around us. The one thing people always fail
to take into account generally is the lag effect coming
into this new administration. Our economy suck, and I mean
the inflation that occurred because of all the money that
was created during COVID and spent into the economy when
people couldn't work and main street businesses were closing. I mean,
that's a massive driver in the inflation we've been enduring.
There's a number of other things as well. Housing for example,
I mean housing is unsustainable and when you look at it.
I mean I've never met her or spoken with her.
I look forward to doing that at one point, Melody right,
I've followed a long time ago, a decade ago. I
was looking at all of her work, brilliant lady, and
I followed her organically, and I think she is spot on.
I mean, we are seeing pullbacks with builders were you know,
and everyone just stayed in the game. Oh, they think
the price is going to go up. So there's all
this inventory ready to jump out and jump onto the market,
which you're seeing now. I'm seeing it locally where I
live here in Nevada, and it's housing is going to
be a big thing. I mean, we're going to maybe
see another eight style housing correction. I think that's really
in the cards. And this is going to absolutely be
nothing to do with anything Trump quote is doing now.
I mean, this stuff has been baked in the cake.
I think we're going to just see a tremendous amount
of turbulent change. But the main thing is little or
no debt. If you can multiple streams of income and
keep your head up and and and be looking out.
I mean there's there's a lot of topics that are
going to come into play that are really critical. I've
noticed I think a really important litmus test mile marker.
I guess or is probably a better term to watch.
I know Judy Shelton is making the rounds on lots
of different programs now, I've I've watched a number of
her interviews, and she is very closely affiliated with with
with the administration and listening to what she says and
and and if we're going to do any extrapolating, I
think we should do it be based on that, because
she's actually in and potentially going to be in a
position here where the thing she's actually talking about in
advocating she may be able to implement. And I and
he tried to get her more involved in his first administration.
He was shot down act that she's here, absolute smart,
smart legity William and she's talking about a goldback bond,
you know, I mean, this is one of the things
she's talking about with a long maturity date. I've several
different discussions on that, and that can that discussion can
factor in with all of the other hypotheses. I mean, yeah, So.
Speaker 3: I got a question for you, elon Musk Trump. They're
talking audit of Fort Knox, Yes, all right, I've done
extensive articles on it, interviews, et cetera. A.
Speaker 4: Is the goal there? B?
Speaker 3: If it's not there, can they afford to admit that
it's not there? Wouldn't that cause a global financial pandemic
the likes of which we've never seen? And see if
it is there?
Speaker 4: So what? Correct?
Speaker 1: I think you're an attorney of recovering attorney, as you
call yourself, America's top and in a good deposition. When
an attorney questions you, they rarely ask questions they don't
already know the answer to you. Yes, And I think
that the same logic applies in this advertising. And you
notice that Trump is goading everyone. He's saying, Oh, we're
gon we're gonna audit. Fort Knox, Musk is talking about it.
If you recall, on the day we had the eclipse
back in I think twenty seventeen, Nutchin flew down there
and claimed to have at least looked at some of it.
And he's out there talking and exing and tweeting. Now,
so I think that they already know the answer.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think this is going to be used
to shift the debate. If the gold.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been there. My guess is they've They've put a
lot of it back. If the gold isn't there, well
then there's going to be an avenue to extrapolate and
implement whatever goalback policy is needed, and that's going to
just make the miners sore. There are multiple outs. It's
kind of like when a magician, as you know I am,
it does.
Speaker 4: Act on you.
Speaker 1: You think you have a free choice, but no matter
which of the five choices you had as a successful
outcome and conclusion, but you think it's a free choice.
Nobody's got a free choice when it comes to all
the variations of what's going to happen with fort Knox,
Trump knows, Manuchin knows, Shelton probably knows. But I think
everyone's going to be really cagey, and I think they're
going to use this to unpackage a next level economic agenda.
That's I think the bottom line.
Speaker 3: All right, So I'm going to run something val you
and I'm working on this in the midst of an
article about it. Bitcoin National bit Coin Reserve. So if
you read the government suzzedly has two hundred eleven thousand
bitcoins that they confiscated from the.
Speaker 4: Ulbrich silk Road Yep.
Speaker 3: That two hundred eleven thousand has been worth up to
twenty two or three billion, and right now it's probably
sixteen billion. Now, what if the government runs up the
price of bitcoin because we're going to have this reserve
and we've already seen bitcoin go from like cents on
the dollar to one hundred thousand. What if it's ten
million or twenty million per bitcoin, and then in our
strategic reserve we've got thirty five trillion dollars worth of
bitcoin and we just pay off the debt with bitcoin.
Speaker 1: There could be That could absolutely be a possibility. I'm
not going to discount anything. It's the what if game?
Speaker 4: What if this? What if that?
Speaker 1: No idea killers in this process, So that is definitely
a possibility. Keep in mind, bitcoin, I believe all along
since its inception, has been like the ultimate GOLDYTF for
the last fifteen years. It is siphoned off investment that
should have gone definitely. If you recall at our first
Liberty Mastermind we did, we had quite a panel. Bitcoin
was very young and newbile at that time. I think
I was twenty fourteen. We did it in Dallas. We
had a panel of six or seven very knowledgeable people
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: I think what was it? Twenty one million bitcoins is
what was created. That's the max.
Speaker 1: And if you remember during that panel discussion back then,
this was a big topic at the time. Yes, it
was like a missing thirty percent, three or four million
of the points no one could account for. Well, that's
like a pull back. You can manipulate a market with
that hidden inventory anytime you want, so I'd be cures.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I personally don't know the status of that, and smarter
people can probably enlighten us on that, or maybe you know,
so I think that the whole bitcoin idea is possible.
I had floated a concept in one of my gold
seat commentaries, probably a decade ago, that if we ever
went to a quote gold backing to the dollar, it
would ultimately a psychological gold backing. And I won't go
into this now, I know what you're saying, non convertible,
but creating the impression or the illusion that we actually
have a much more solid paper than we really do.
And most everything is psychological nowadays anyhow, Yes, and another
another idea that I had put forth was eventually having
two class you know how there's two classes of stopcarry
preferred stock, right, yeah, sure or near stop. So one
of the ideas I had floated a long time ago
was maybe we'll go to two different currencies for the US,
one that might be used domestically at home, maybe that
one's gold backed, or and we keep the dollar maybe
for international trades and it diminishes in value. So maybe
we'll end up with two stocks of the United States,
one at home, one abroad.
Speaker 4: I don't know which.
Speaker 1: One day back by goal. I think some version of that,
and all these other things we're talking about, I think
are in the mix. We got really creative people working
on this behind the scenes, and I think we're going
to get surprised, just like we were the introduction of Doge.
Speaker 4: All right, well, hey, Robert, appreciate you coming on. It's
great act with you.
Speaker 3: I'll look forward to disseminating your first talk later in
the week and ask they tell us where to find you,
how to connect with you on the web.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you'll be able to. After you can go
to conquer change dot com. That will be my website
for this. It's new, so it's going to be fresh.
One of the things I'll be doing is over the
next couple of weeks. I'll be updating that with some
of a handful of historical commentaries from each year, kind
of tracing the run up to theeight incident, and then
a couple of commentaries each year that really kind of
summarize this journey that we've been on. Economically, not a
ton of historical stuff, but enough to kind of give
people that might be new and want to understand the
evolution of this conversation. They may find that useful. Also,
we've got a lot of people that sign up for
my newsletter over the years. I'll be reaching out to
them as well. But if you just like to make
a fresh start and sign up at conquor change dot com,
please do that and you'll be able to sign up
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If you join the newsletter, you'll get a free copy
a PDF copy of that book, and I'll tell more
about that on my site. Definitely worth having. It's a
great work book, and I'll be having updated version of
that book coming out later this year, so lots of
activity and who knows, Carrie. Once we get going, maybe
you and I will revisit the Liberty Mastermind. Hey, a
lot of good people to get involved now.
Speaker 3: I'm game and I think a lot more people interested
than ever before. And Robert, thanks so much for coming on.
It's a pleasure reconnecting with you. I'm looking forward to
it lies ahead, and I think that big things are happening,
big trends, and we're going to be part of it.
Speaker 4: We sure are, Thanks Carrie, looking forward to it. Be well. Hey,
same here.
Speaker 3: Hey, I've got a question a comment for Robert myself.
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Speaker 4: Robert a pleasure, talk soon. Thanks Carrie, Thanks.
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