Speaker 1: Hi. This is Francine Valley from West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada,
Speaker 1: and I play a Squamish Valley golf course. This is
Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number nine hundred and seventy three.
Speaker 2: There was a story of Sam Steed and it's a
Speaker 2: week before he's playing in his first PGA Tour event.
Speaker 2: And it's in nineteen thirty six. He's at the Greenbrier
Speaker 2: and the head pro organized a big match's going to
Speaker 2: be this rookie Samsteed, that's the big up and coming name.
Speaker 2: He's going to play against the former US Open champion.
Speaker 2: He's going to play against two other US Amateur champions.
Speaker 2: As a result, work gets out massive crowd around the
Speaker 2: first tee and Sam Steed is last hood. He is
Speaker 2: shaking so bad and is so nervous that he's basically
Speaker 2: on the verge of a panic attack. He was shaking
Speaker 2: so bad that he couldn't steady the ball in the
Speaker 2: tea with one hand. He had to use his other hand.
Speaker 2: That's setting the stage for how nervous he was, so
Speaker 2: he backs up. He's doing his visualization and what most
Speaker 2: people are not aware until after a fact, but what
Speaker 2: Sam actually does is he closes his eyes and he
Speaker 2: relives his most amazing drives on that same hole. He
Speaker 2: collects himself, moves forward, and then he hits the shot.
Speaker 2: Then a crowd they're like, whoa. The reason why everybody
Speaker 2: was like gasman is because he just outdrove his playing
Speaker 2: partners by fifteen yards, and only that he has hit
Speaker 2: about ten yards further than all of his most successful
Speaker 2: drives on that same hole. How does a guy go
Speaker 2: from a verge of a panic attack to then hitting
Speaker 2: his best drive ever just moments later?
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Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from
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Speaker 3: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter.
Speaker 2: Podcast, Bo, Fred, it's a pleasure to be back. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's been a while since we've had a
Speaker 3: chance to catch up, and you've been doing some really
Speaker 3: remarkable stuff as far as the golf training side of
Speaker 3: it and creating these summits. And we'll talk about your
Speaker 3: upcoming summit later, but let's talk about what's going on
Speaker 3: in the media space. You know, we briefly touched as
Speaker 3: before we started recording, and I didn't want to go
Speaker 3: too deep into because I really want to hear your
Speaker 3: thoughts on it. But there seems to be this movement
Speaker 3: from the tourist side to look towards things like YouTube
Speaker 3: and media influencers who are being invited to play and compete. Now,
Speaker 3: what is going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. I mean, we're watching I think
Speaker 2: it just speaks volumes to the platform that YouTube has
Speaker 2: been able to provide the golf space. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can look for it for some really good information, but
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm gonna be honest, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of bad information out there. But on the side of that,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 3: That we talk about all the times, like just be
Speaker 3: careful about YouTube because there's so much conflicting information that
Speaker 3: you can just your mind will.
Speaker 2: Explode one hundred percent. And you know, for the I
Speaker 2: would say for the greater part of like say the
Speaker 2: last fourteen fifteen years, I mean it's been primarily used
Speaker 2: in the golf space as a place to go and
Speaker 2: get instruction information, right, but over the last like I
Speaker 2: would say three to five years. You know, you've had
Speaker 2: some influencers come out and kind of overtake Rick Shill
Speaker 2: so to speak, as far as like, you know, the
Speaker 2: most subscribers on YouTube. And when you look at the
Speaker 2: Good Good, you look at Grant Horvat's and you look
Speaker 2: at those types, even Brian Brothers and those guys, and
Speaker 2: it's it's fascinating because now it's kind of like shifted
Speaker 2: into a direction where it's all about entertainment, and you
Speaker 2: got all these guys and YouTube stars that are playing
Speaker 2: against each other in these matches and they're bringing a
Speaker 2: lot of eyeballs to it. And so as a result
Speaker 2: of that, you know, PGA Tours taken notice and earlier
Speaker 2: this year, interestingly enough, they actually believe it was several
Speaker 2: spots they offered, as you know, exemptions or sponsor invites
Speaker 2: into the Myrtle Beach. That was the first year that
Speaker 2: Myrtle Beach has had like a PGA Tour event, and
Speaker 2: so several of these guys actually were able to go
Speaker 2: play in a PGA Tour event. So it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Then you get to say the creators Cup, it's the
Speaker 2: first time they ever did this. But the week of
Speaker 2: the Tour Championship. They had what was called the very
Speaker 2: first I believe Creators Cup. I think it was played
Speaker 2: on Monday or Tuesday. And what was so interesting about
Speaker 2: it is that you know, you had you know, Luke Kwan,
Speaker 2: you had I believe it was Wesley Bryan. I don't
Speaker 2: know if George played in it, but you had a
Speaker 2: few of the good good guys, Page Spirnaka I think
Speaker 2: is how you said you last name, Amy Chow and
Speaker 2: or a few others like that. And so it was
Speaker 2: all these like big top influencers that are invited to
Speaker 2: play into US event and Lukewan ends up winning it
Speaker 2: in a playoff, and if I'm not mistaken, because he
Speaker 2: won that, he got an exemption or an invite into
Speaker 2: next year's Masters and the Open Championship.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, tell me about it.
Speaker 3: That's really remarkable. And so there, I guess it looks
Speaker 3: like PGA is recognizing what's going on, you know. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting because a lot of the names that you
Speaker 3: mentioned I'm not familiar with that. I'm obsessed with YouTube,
Speaker 3: you know, I really enjoy no matter what I think
Speaker 3: of live, but I really enjoy watching Bryson and his
Speaker 3: break fifty. I think it's just such a great idea.
Speaker 3: And I've asked a friend of mine, I said, look,
Speaker 3: instead of competing against each other, why don't you and
Speaker 3: I just go out together, combine our efforts and see
Speaker 3: if we can shoot par And he's like, yeah, I'd
Speaker 3: be willing to.
Speaker 2: Try that, so just make sure you film it.
Speaker 3: No, no, you know that's the thing is. And I've
Speaker 3: always it's like, oh, I'll just bring the camera out
Speaker 3: and we'll just video. It's like no, no, no. These
Speaker 3: guys are going out there with a crew. They've got
Speaker 3: multiple microphones, they got at least to probably three cameras
Speaker 3: going at any given time. Dragging around these guys, and
Speaker 3: it's like, I just that's a lot of pressure. You
Speaker 3: forget about gambling, just doing it in front of a
Speaker 3: camera a lot more pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, but hey, what better way to
Speaker 2: similar pressure? And uh, you know, work on your tournament golf? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what you're doing, right, You're you're you're
Speaker 3: talking about tournament golf and playing to win as opposed
Speaker 3: to just playing. You've been focusing on how how golfers
Speaker 3: can just like no, no, no, I'm a very competitive person
Speaker 3: I want to win? How do I do that?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, that's a that's a key subject, right because
Speaker 2: everybody talks about I remember doctor Rick Jensen talking about
Speaker 2: this one time and I'll never forget it. He talks
Speaker 2: to like there's like four phases of you know, playing
Speaker 2: golf so to speak, and training. First phase is kind
Speaker 2: of like you're leaves like block practice, like where you're
Speaker 2: working on your swing and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 2: there's like a second phase that you know, you're you're
Speaker 2: starting to kind of transition and do like game like
Speaker 2: scenarios and I could be missing the vote on this,
Speaker 2: but you know, the principle is still the same. And
Speaker 2: then the third phase is like you're going out on
Speaker 2: the course, which is what he called like transfer training,
Speaker 2: like how are we able to take the skills that
Speaker 2: we're learning in a practice environment and able to take
Speaker 2: it to the course. And then the last phase is, right,
Speaker 2: how do we do it in a tournament setting? How
Speaker 2: are we doing under pressure? And that's a totally different animal,
Speaker 2: And honestly, that's what you know, Shannon, my business partner
Speaker 2: and I we specialize in, which is more of the
Speaker 2: mental side, and that's where we show golfers. We call
Speaker 2: it psychond mask of training. It's it's it's teaching people
Speaker 2: how to get into the zone at a flip of
Speaker 2: a switch. You know. The more appropriate scientific term, obviously,
Speaker 2: he's flow state. And we we like to coin or
Speaker 2: talk about. We coined the term, you know, caveman golf.
Speaker 2: You know, when you when you play your best golf,
Speaker 2: it's it's when you see target, seaball hit ball. And
Speaker 2: it was funny. Scott Fawls and I were having a
Speaker 2: conversation just last week and he's he was sharing, you know,
Speaker 2: a little bit of how he's been playing, and you know,
Speaker 2: he invited Garret Clark in his only YouTube channel and
Speaker 2: just talking to him about that. But you know, these
Speaker 2: last few weeks, like Scott has been playing like lights
Speaker 2: out and it's been funny because what he shared on
Speaker 2: the phone was like, this is the first time and
Speaker 2: I don't know how many years where I do not
Speaker 2: have a a single swing key or swing fault. And
Speaker 2: I was like, well, Scott, you know what that is, right,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I don't know. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I said, that's caveman golf. You know, it's just sea target, seatball,
Speaker 2: hit ball, and we know that when a golfer can
Speaker 2: get to that place, all is a special place to
Speaker 2: be in because honestly, that's where your best golf is
Speaker 2: going to be. And that's in any sport. I mean
Speaker 2: you go ask you know, like the late Kobe Bryant
Speaker 2: or anybody, or even Lebron. You know, when they're playing
Speaker 2: their best, they're not sitting there talking about how their
Speaker 2: elbow flexion is and where the pressure is on the basketball. No,
Speaker 2: it's like I see the arc of the shot and
Speaker 2: I see it going in and it's more right brain oriented,
Speaker 2: where a lot of golfers to get in trouble so
Speaker 2: fast when they stay in the left side of the brain.
Speaker 2: And honestly, the only sport I think that people can
Speaker 2: actually dominate from the left side of the brain is
Speaker 2: playing chess. But you don't want to take to any sport,
Speaker 2: and especially not golf, because when you start getting into
Speaker 2: the overthinking and too many swing thoughts, good luck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally understand it. I've had it a couple
Speaker 3: of times. There's times where I'm like, I'm so comfortable
Speaker 3: out there, I'm not thinking about it. I'm just you know,
Speaker 3: see target, aim, hit it and don't think about what
Speaker 3: I'm going to do with it. But I don't know
Speaker 3: what's going on. But the last couple of weeks it's like,
Speaker 3: what am I doing out here? I really feel lost.
Speaker 3: And in the last round I played, it was like,
Speaker 3: this is not going well. There's periods of time where
Speaker 3: I can play three four rounds with a ball, and
Speaker 3: then there's last week where I lost five balls in
Speaker 3: one round. I'm like, who are you playing? Who is this?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: I'm overthinking it? Huh.
Speaker 2: Very likely you need a reset, you know, And well,
Speaker 2: how do you do that? Oh, that's a good question
Speaker 2: because a lot of people they try to do the
Speaker 2: textbook version, right, you know, they read all that I'm
Speaker 2: not going to call it the books, but you know
Speaker 2: they know what is said in a lot of mental
Speaker 2: game books. But there really isn't anything out there that's
Speaker 2: very practical. And I think that's one of the things
Speaker 2: that really a lot of people in I mean, and
Speaker 2: you can go on our Amazon and honestly, like we're
Speaker 2: not taking credit, Like God gave us the download for
Speaker 2: the book that we wrote, so I'm giving him the
Speaker 2: glory on that. But you know, it's fascinating. One of
Speaker 2: the biggest things that we hear all the time from
Speaker 2: Amazon reviews and people that read our book is that
Speaker 2: it's so practical and so like. One of the things
Speaker 2: that we share about resetting is what's called the ball reset,
Speaker 2: and we go in detail in our chapter, but I'll
Speaker 2: briefly cover it here because like when someone's in what
Speaker 2: we call a red light state, when things are going south,
Speaker 2: like we said, you've lost several balls or something like that,
Speaker 2: you have to do something in order for you to
Speaker 2: get back to what we call a green light state.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Neuroscience. Doctor Is Justice kind of pioneered this part of it,
Speaker 2: you know, analyzing and doing brain scans of you know,
Speaker 2: thousands of golfers and he's done a lot of amazing
Speaker 2: work in this area, and he has shown that, you know,
Speaker 2: when we have so many swing thoughts or so many
Speaker 2: thoughts or just negative thoughts. For example, let's say like
Speaker 2: you hit two shots, ob, you're in a red light
Speaker 2: state at this point, and especially if you've done it
Speaker 2: off the tee two times in a row. You know
Speaker 2: how many times we've heard people or they snap hook
Speaker 2: one left OB and then they're like, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: not doing that again. I'm going to try to overcorrect,
Speaker 2: and they overcorrect and then they slice it into the
Speaker 2: water on the right hand side. And at that point
Speaker 2: you're in fight or flight mode at this point. And
Speaker 2: the main thing is if you don't do something here,
Speaker 2: it's going to come off the tracks very very fast.
Speaker 2: And this is where the ball reset enters the picture.
Speaker 2: And so part of the ball reset is we do
Speaker 2: it is called a hard reset.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Piece of this we got from Doctor is Justice, but
Speaker 2: the other part of this is from Brian Kine, which
Speaker 2: is one of our mentors. And what we did is
Speaker 2: we were able to piece this all together. And what's
Speaker 2: so fascinating about it is when you do the hard squeeze.
Speaker 2: This is where like you take a club, or you
Speaker 2: take your hands, you take a towe, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But there's a type of breath that we like to
Speaker 2: utilize which is called a physiological side, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: if you just do that breath alone. Stanford came out
Speaker 2: last year and Pioneer or they came out and shared
Speaker 2: this research and believe it was January last year. You
Speaker 2: go look us up, and the original study of it
Speaker 2: was how to lower anxiety, and so they found that
Speaker 2: this type of breath, Like you could think of all
Speaker 2: the breathing techniques that people have talked about over the
Speaker 2: last like ten twenty years, Well, the physiological side is
Speaker 2: on a totally different level, and it just completely outdid
Speaker 2: every single one of them. You know, the military box breathing,
Speaker 2: all those, right, and physiological SIAO is just in a
Speaker 2: totally different category. So like Scottie Scheffer for when he's
Speaker 2: playing the best, he's like in a totally league of
Speaker 2: his own like tire was in his prime. That's the
Speaker 2: physiological side when it comes to breathing. Okay, so when
Speaker 2: you do a physological SIA, it's like where you're doing
Speaker 2: two quick inhales, like or you're breathing through the nose
Speaker 2: and you're taking like a deep belly breath first, you know,
Speaker 2: in hell, and then it's a very second quick in
Speaker 2: hell pausing, and then you're doing a long exhale out
Speaker 2: your mouth for like five or six seconds. Now, when
Speaker 2: you do the hard reset, you're basically doing the same
Speaker 2: thing where you're going and then you're holding your breath
Speaker 2: and then you're squeezing as hard as you can, so
Speaker 2: like on a pressure of like one to ten. You're
Speaker 2: squeezing that at eleven for five seconds, and then you're
Speaker 2: exhaling slowly while decreasing decreasing the pressure. Let's say on
Speaker 2: the golf club in my grip, and I'm decreasing pressure
Speaker 2: from like a ten down to like a two while
Speaker 2: slowly exhaling. Now, doctor is a justice a part of that.
Speaker 2: He found that when you did just the deep belly breath,
Speaker 2: squeeze as hard as you can, ex hel slowly. They
Speaker 2: found that in an actual real time brain scan on
Speaker 2: a golfer, they found that he went from a red
Speaker 2: light state and it went back down to a green
Speaker 2: light state. And what was interesting is in the brain
Speaker 2: it had the equivalent effect of if you had done
Speaker 2: twenty minutes of meditation or twenty minutes yoga. Talking about
Speaker 2: a massive nerr a hack. Right. So just that piece
Speaker 2: right is part of the B which is breathe. We
Speaker 2: call it breathe hard reset. So that's B is in
Speaker 2: the ball acronym. The next part is as where you
Speaker 2: do an a firm, you do a power talk statement,
Speaker 2: you know say you hit you know your drive ob
Speaker 2: Well you just say hey, you know what? Adversity is
Speaker 2: my advantage. So you say that really quick under your breath.
Speaker 2: The first L is look back. All that simply means
Speaker 2: is we're going to look back to a time where
Speaker 2: we hit an amazing drive on a similar hole or
Speaker 2: maybe it's the same hole, and you're going to relive
Speaker 2: that memory. And so you relive that memory basically like daydreaming.
Speaker 2: So you play that shot over in your head, and
Speaker 2: then once you've done that, then you go to the LASTEL,
Speaker 2: which is look forward. So just in about under twenty seconds,
Speaker 2: we just go through the entire ball acronym, which is
Speaker 2: a hard reset power talk statement. Relive an amazing memory.
Speaker 2: Now your attention back to the present moment. And here's
Speaker 2: the cool part. Let me give it a little bit
Speaker 2: of a story here on that first L.
Speaker 3: And before you do that, we're going to take a
Speaker 3: time out and I'll hear the story after this. Okay,
Speaker 3: I cut you off, and I apologize for that, but
Speaker 3: I don't so because I needed to absorb what's going
Speaker 3: on here, because I'm going through the breathing part and
Speaker 3: I feel like that I'm creating tension by tightening up
Speaker 3: with this, you know, squeezing it, but then letting it go.
Speaker 3: I think back to doctor Joe Parent telling us about
Speaker 3: the etches sketch, you know that you use when you're
Speaker 3: having a tough time. Just take your edges sketch, flip
Speaker 3: it over, shake it out, and erase the whole thing
Speaker 3: and then start again. But we're at the ball acronym
Speaker 3: breathe a firm, look back, look forward.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: And you had a story to tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's fascinating is we came across this. I
Speaker 2: forgot where I found it, but there was a story
Speaker 2: of Sam Snead and it's a week before he's playing
Speaker 2: in his first PGA Tour event, Like he's going to
Speaker 2: make his PGA Tour debut, right, And it's in nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty six, I believe is the year, and he's at
Speaker 2: the Greenbrier and the head pro or whoever it was,
Speaker 2: they organize like a big match and so in this match,
Speaker 2: it's going to be this rookie Sam Sneed that's the
Speaker 2: big up and coming name. He's going to play against
Speaker 2: a former US Open champion. He's going to play against
Speaker 2: two other US Amateur champions well. As a result, Work
Speaker 2: gets out massive crowd around the first tee and Now
Speaker 2: Sam Sneed is last to hit. He is shaking so
Speaker 2: bad and is so nervous that he's basically on the
Speaker 2: verge of a panic attack. And to put this in perspective,
Speaker 2: they said that he was shaking so bad that he
Speaker 2: couldn't steady the ball in the tee with one hand.
Speaker 2: He had to use his other hand, all right, So
Speaker 2: that's setting the stage for how nervous he was. So
Speaker 2: he backs up, he gets find the ball. You know,
Speaker 2: he's doing his visualization. And what most people are not
Speaker 2: aware of until after the fact, but what Sam actually
Speaker 2: does is he closes his eyes and he relives his
Speaker 2: most amazing drives on that same hole. Now he collects
Speaker 2: himself and moves forward, and then he hits a shot
Speaker 2: and a crowd like is gasped. You're like, whoa. And
Speaker 2: the reason why everybody was like gasping is because he
Speaker 2: just outdrove his playing partners by about fifteen yards. And
Speaker 2: not only that, he has hit about ten yards further
Speaker 2: than all of his most successful drives on that same hole. Now,
Speaker 2: wait a second, how does a guy go from a
Speaker 2: verge of a panic attack to then hitting his best
Speaker 2: drive ever just moments later? And a big piece of
Speaker 2: that is the first L and the ball acronym is
Speaker 2: what we call the look back. And the reason why
Speaker 2: it's so powerful and it's so important for people to
Speaker 2: utilize is because when you have a bad memory, or
Speaker 2: maybe you have an upcoming shot that's you know you're
Speaker 2: dreading or you're very nervous about. You know, we hear
Speaker 2: all the time people have first T jitters. This is
Speaker 2: an amazing, amazing tool to utilize before you go hit
Speaker 2: that first T shot because here's the thing. You could
Speaker 2: be dreading it. You could be thinking about all the
Speaker 2: negative energy and what if scenarios. But if you go
Speaker 2: through that entire ball acronym where you do the hard
Speaker 2: squeeze and you say something like, hey, the more pressure
Speaker 2: there is, the better I perform, And then you do
Speaker 2: a look back where you maybe go back in time
Speaker 2: where there was a lot of pressure in a certain
Speaker 2: certain shot and you hit your best drive ever and
Speaker 2: you go back and you relive that memory. Well, I
Speaker 2: got to ask you, if you've done those three steps
Speaker 2: and you did it with the right intensity and you
Speaker 2: were obviously walking in faith with those first three steps,
Speaker 2: then that last hole when it comes to looking forward,
Speaker 2: you would have to be at that point pretty excited
Speaker 2: to play that upcoming shot. You would have to be.
Speaker 2: You'd be much better. I mean, let's say you're like
Speaker 2: five percent. Like if we're gonna put a scale on this,
Speaker 2: let's say you're like at a five percent of being
Speaker 2: successful too. Now you do the ball acronym. I mean,
Speaker 2: you just increase your chances of hitting a pretty good
Speaker 2: shot to probably like eighty ninety percent at this point.
Speaker 2: So that's how we practically do a hard reset. So
Speaker 2: when you're in the middle of a round, you're playing
Speaker 2: terrible or you got something that you're dreading, ball reset
Speaker 2: is going to be your secret weapon.
Speaker 3: Awesome. Also, there's the acceptance. And we talked to Joel
Speaker 3: Suggs a couple episodes back, and he talked about his
Speaker 3: PGA Bell Curve un scoring, which is you're gonna have
Speaker 3: rounds that go poor good average, right, and the bell curve,
Speaker 3: the top of the Bell curve is your average. So
Speaker 3: accept that. Don't beat yourself up, right, lighten up, let
Speaker 3: it go move forward, and stop thinking about your swing
Speaker 3: mechanics because it's only gonna hurt, right, Yeah, it's really
Speaker 3: going the swing. The thinking about swing mechanics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, swing mechanics. If you think too much about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong, Like I come from
Speaker 2: a swing background and you know, blessed to learn under
Speaker 2: some amazing minds in the game, and it is a
Speaker 2: piece of the game that you can't ignore. However, if
Speaker 2: you don't shut that off when you're playing, it's going
Speaker 2: to be really, really difficult to play your best. You know,
Speaker 2: you have to eventually either with just like one swing
Speaker 2: thought or one swing key, which is healthy. But when
Speaker 2: you start going and thinking too much about that and
Speaker 2: start adding in more, it's going to be very, very
Speaker 2: tough to perform. And that's that's just the nature of
Speaker 2: the game. You know, it's a sport that demands precision.
Speaker 2: But when we start getting in our own way with
Speaker 2: too many thoughts, too many things that we're thinking about
Speaker 2: and splitting our focus, good luck, it's just going to
Speaker 2: be a really really difficult round for you. I hate
Speaker 2: to say that.
Speaker 3: And you work with a lot of amazing instructors, but
Speaker 3: you're partnering with them. It's not necessarily that you're getting
Speaker 3: instruction from them. You're trying to collaborate with them, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's what you're doing with your summits that you do.
Speaker 3: Seems like you've been doing them manually now for a
Speaker 3: couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this will be our upcoming one. This will
Speaker 2: be our fourth one. Yeah yeah, four or five.
Speaker 3: I think we've I think we've covered each of them
Speaker 3: with you. Yeah, I'm not mistaken. And so let's talk
Speaker 3: about some of the people that you work with at
Speaker 3: these well, your upcoming one, your upcoming summit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, I think it's fair to say,
Speaker 2: like the very first tim that we had was consistent
Speaker 2: golf summit, and the whole idea behind that was, you know, sadly,
Speaker 2: we talked about it a little bit. You know, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: mini golfers they go on YouTube, they're searching for information
Speaker 2: and it's not that it's bad. You know, they got
Speaker 2: something wrong in their swing, or maybe they don't have
Speaker 2: access to a coach. And unfortunately, I hear that a
Speaker 2: lot from golfers in our community. You know, they're in
Speaker 2: a place where maybe they do have some swing instructors,
Speaker 2: but they're not very good unfortunately. And you know that's
Speaker 2: the other reason why we have the summit is we
Speaker 2: want to not only educate golfers but you also want
Speaker 2: to educate instructors and help them get better. And so
Speaker 2: the idea behind the very first summit and the reason
Speaker 2: why there was such a big need for it is,
Speaker 2: you know, if you had God forbid something seriously wrong
Speaker 2: health wise. You know, you have a special disease, or
Speaker 2: you have something that you know, like cancer or tumor
Speaker 2: or whatever, my question to you it would be, are
Speaker 2: you going to go see a general practitioner or are
Speaker 2: you going to go see the best specialists in the
Speaker 2: world on that particular topic. I mean, it's a no brainer, right,
Speaker 2: you want to go to the very best. And so
Speaker 2: that was the idea behind the very first summit, and
Speaker 2: it's the idea behind every summit we've ever hosted, and
Speaker 2: especially the one that we're about to do, which is
Speaker 2: the Road to Tours Summit. You know, if you're going
Speaker 2: to go out there and search information, yeah, you can
Speaker 2: go on YouTube and you can go search for free,
Speaker 2: but then that is probably going to cost you more
Speaker 2: than the free information you just got. And see, that's
Speaker 2: the part of the quation most people aren't taken into account,
Speaker 2: is that you can honestly go out there and search
Speaker 2: your way out of this game, and sadly that's what
Speaker 2: mini golfers do. And I know that from research by
Speaker 2: the Proponent group. Lauren Anderson runs that group down in Florida,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like a you know, who's who
Speaker 2: an instruction and the research that Lauren has you know,
Speaker 2: published and you know, have found over the years. I'll
Speaker 2: never forget the one study that he found where yes,
Speaker 2: we see, you know, over a million golfers typically you
Speaker 2: know National Golf Foundation. You know, it's no secret, and
Speaker 2: we talk about this in the book too, but they
Speaker 2: they said, you know, someone like a million to two
Speaker 2: million golfers quit the game every year. Now, besides injury retirement,
Speaker 2: you know, getting old being kind of like the number one,
Speaker 2: but the next closest, the biggest reason why golfers are
Speaker 2: quitting the game is because of frustration.
Speaker 3: The word I was going to toss out frustration yep.
Speaker 2: And a lot of that, unfortunately, is self inflicted. And
Speaker 2: it's because of people going on YouTube searching for something
Speaker 2: that they look at the symptom right, which is, hey,
Speaker 2: I got a slice. Okay, I'm gonna go search YouTube
Speaker 2: for how to fix a slice. But here's the downside
Speaker 2: in this game. You have so many different body types,
Speaker 2: you have so many different types of setups, you have
Speaker 2: different clubs and different shafts. So, I mean, there are
Speaker 2: so many variables that are in play here that it
Speaker 2: doesn't just come down to swing plane. There are other
Speaker 2: factors that were not taken into account. And honestly, unless
Speaker 2: you are a really really good coach or somebody that
Speaker 2: has actually learned under a really good coach, you know
Speaker 2: that's that's a big key. That you're educated on what
Speaker 2: to look for and how to search for, it very
Speaker 2: likely you're not going to get to the root of
Speaker 2: the problem. And that's where the specialist comes in. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of been the idea behind every Summer that
Speaker 2: I've ever hosted, is I went and found the expert
Speaker 2: in this particular you know, part of the game when
Speaker 2: it comes to club fitting or nutrition, or the mental
Speaker 2: part of the game or a full swing or short
Speaker 2: game or putting. You know, we went out and found
Speaker 2: those types, you know, like a Jane Seekman or Sean
Speaker 2: Folly or a Goodness grat I mean, there's so many
Speaker 2: like doctor Kwan, I mean, Ralph Bauer, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: so many types out there in different areas of the
Speaker 2: game that it's like, Okay, here's the specialists, and here's
Speaker 2: the information, and here's the questions that you need to
Speaker 2: know in order for you to be successful in your game.
Speaker 2: So that's been the idea behind every summer hosted and
Speaker 2: one we got coming up as the road to the tour.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting that you said something that I had
Speaker 3: just written down about the downside to YouTube is you'll
Speaker 3: see something that resonates with you, but it's not personalized
Speaker 3: to you. So you'll think, oh, well, I have this
Speaker 3: lice and this guy's teaching me how to get rid
Speaker 3: of a slice, and so I'm going to go out
Speaker 3: and do that. And yet that's not really what.
Speaker 4: The cause of the problem is, right, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: you just have a bad grip and that's not being
Speaker 4: discussed in any of the videos that you're looking at,
Speaker 4: nor would you even consider that, Oh well, this is
Speaker 4: the way I've always gripped it, so it's.
Speaker 3: Got to be fine. So the downside again of YouTube,
Speaker 3: as prolific as it is, is it's not about you.
Speaker 3: You make it about you right on that I mean,
Speaker 3: is that kind of where we're going with this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's the idea, right, It's you can
Speaker 2: quickly spot out the very good coaches, the one that is,
Speaker 2: you know, are the ones that are sharing the really
Speaker 2: good content and they're the ones that are kind of
Speaker 2: educating you more on what to look for versus like,
Speaker 2: here's a drill to fix it, and you've got to
Speaker 2: get to the Y. And that's really really hard when
Speaker 2: you're gonna take that one to many approach. And that's
Speaker 2: that's why I like, it's so important to educate you
Speaker 2: based on So I'm a big fan. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 2: blessed to kind of learn the golf machine more ad
Speaker 2: and so, like you know, you'll hear coaches and even
Speaker 2: some of YouTube instructors will talk about P one, P two,
Speaker 2: P three, P four, p five, and they're great positions.
Speaker 2: That's all they stand for, you know. P one being
Speaker 2: a draft. P two like chaft pro in the background,
Speaker 2: I mean, and backswing, you know, just to keep it
Speaker 2: really simple. P three being like we're left arms pro
Speaker 2: of the ground. And so you're looking at these positions
Speaker 2: and it's a really easy way to kind of pinpoint
Speaker 2: figure out like where are you getting wrong? You know,
Speaker 2: John Dougherty, who he partnered with and he's a phenomenal
Speaker 2: coach that nobody knows about yet, but in my opinion,
Speaker 2: he's one of the best in the world. And it's
Speaker 2: mainly because he spent so much time with Maco Grady.
Speaker 2: And anybody that's worked assault and teaching a game have
Speaker 2: gotten their information one way or another from Maco Grady,
Speaker 2: whether they're going to say it upfront or not. I can.
Speaker 2: I can attest to that because I've had conversations with
Speaker 2: the who's who in the instruction the world, and I
Speaker 2: can tell you they have gotten their information and or
Speaker 2: either indirectly or directly from Mac. Okay. In fact, funny,
Speaker 2: funny side story, I'm not going to name names, but
Speaker 2: like the who's who when they did a Golf Digest schools,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about the who's who. We're talking like
Speaker 2: the top five top ten people that are currently right
Speaker 2: now in Golf Digests. But back when they did the
Speaker 2: Golf Digest schools in the late nineties, they had Mac
Speaker 2: come in and teach the teachers. Hopefully they went out
Speaker 2: and did the school so it's pretty funny. But anyways,
Speaker 2: so P. One, P. Two, P. Three, P. Four, You
Speaker 2: know when you have somebody talk about those positions or
Speaker 2: you educate them on what to look for. John is
Speaker 2: always a big promoent proponent of you know, P one
Speaker 2: to P two is probably one of the most important
Speaker 2: you know, what do you want to call it? Sequencing
Speaker 2: that you want to look for because a lot of
Speaker 2: times what happens when a person takes caught back or
Speaker 2: their grip type or how their tilts are working. You know,
Speaker 2: you can fix a lot of issues between P one
Speaker 2: and P two that affect the entire rest of the swing.
Speaker 2: So like, for example, someone like over rotates and goes
Speaker 2: way inside from P one to P two in the backswing,
Speaker 2: you know, you can get yourself in a lot of
Speaker 2: trouble going up to the top of the swing at
Speaker 2: P four and then when you start down P five,
Speaker 2: which is you know, someone getting very steep and coming
Speaker 2: over the top or whatever. But it all started at
Speaker 2: from address to the backswing and the very early part
Speaker 2: of P one to P two. So you know, that's
Speaker 2: what I mean about, Like you want to have a
Speaker 2: foundation or a system, which is what mac has done
Speaker 2: when he created a P one system. I mean the
Speaker 2: P system like P one to P nine basically that's
Speaker 2: what we call it. But what's fascinating is that when
Speaker 2: when you have something like that, you know what to
Speaker 2: look for it and it's easier to diagnose the faults
Speaker 2: and then get to the root of it. But when
Speaker 2: you go straight into hey do this, drill, do this
Speaker 2: without explaining the why, that's where it gets dangerous.
Speaker 3: M interesting. So the summit that you've got coming up
Speaker 3: this year, it's interesting because again this is talking. You're
Speaker 3: addressing golfers that want to be serious about playing winning golf,
Speaker 3: not just playing golf, not just going out there and
Speaker 3: having I mean not just going out there and having fun.
Speaker 3: But when you're playing good golf, it's a lot more
Speaker 3: fun when you're playing bad golf. But still, no matter
Speaker 3: what level you're at, there's going to be days that
Speaker 3: you're going, I was not good today, I shot at
Speaker 3: seventy three, you know, and then there's guys who were like,
Speaker 3: I was not good today. I shot one hundred and six.
Speaker 3: But you're you want to talk, you want to address
Speaker 3: those folks that are serious about competing, and you've got
Speaker 3: this summit coming up this year that's going to be
Speaker 3: it's well, just let's start name dropping here. Who do
Speaker 3: you have and how is this what you do for
Speaker 3: the years you spend your time developing the next summit?
Speaker 3: Are you teaching these days?
Speaker 2: You know, it kind of seems like in this particular one,
Speaker 2: I mean this has been in the works for probably
Speaker 2: the last five months, so I mean I spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time put into this and you know, bringing
Speaker 2: in these type of people and experts and influencers and
Speaker 2: all that and set this event. So yes, I mean
Speaker 2: the majority of my time is still spent where coaching
Speaker 2: clients all around the world because, like I said, you know,
Speaker 2: a big part of what we do on a day
Speaker 2: and day out basis as the mental side of the game,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, teaching people how to get into
Speaker 2: flow state more often because that's where you're going to win.
Speaker 2: That's where you're going to play your best golf. Regardless
Speaker 2: of what level you're at, even if you're a guy
Speaker 2: that shoots in the nineties hundreds, if you can think
Speaker 2: better and you know, get to a place where we
Speaker 2: call cavem in golf, you're going to lowder scores. Like
Speaker 2: that's just the fact. And that also applies to a
Speaker 2: player like a really good player that's on tour, you know,
Speaker 2: if you can remove the distractions and get to the
Speaker 2: point where pressure doesn't necessarily bother you as much or
Speaker 2: you know, it's not that you'll ever remove pressure. It's
Speaker 2: okay to be nervous, it's okay to you know, fill
Speaker 2: that kind of energy. But it's how you respond is key.
Speaker 2: And that's that's what we've really helped a lot of
Speaker 2: players do, is how we respond to that type of environment.
Speaker 2: You know, And although the summit is road to the
Speaker 2: tour Summit, we know there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: people that are attending us that are your everyday golfer
Speaker 2: at once win a club championship, or maybe he just
Speaker 2: wants to be the best player in their foursome, or
Speaker 2: you know, it's a college player or maybe even up
Speaker 2: and coming junior golfer that wants to play golf in college.
Speaker 2: And then you know you're playing in college. I mean,
Speaker 2: how do you win your first college tour event? I
Speaker 2: mean a college event or you know, after college, what
Speaker 2: does it look like to turn pro? And if I'm
Speaker 2: going to turn pro and I'm going to make this
Speaker 2: my pursuit, you know what's the fastest path. Well, that's
Speaker 2: your answer with the summit is we have literally I
Speaker 2: guess you could say we pioneered it because I haven't
Speaker 2: seen anything else out there in the last five years.
Speaker 2: Last time you hosted this, the very first one was
Speaker 2: I think twenty twenty one, and it was the very
Speaker 2: first ever summit that was designed around what does it
Speaker 2: take to get to a top ten world ranking? And
Speaker 2: so that's what we've done with the Road to the
Speaker 2: Tour summits, and that's what this one is all about.
Speaker 2: We're bringing in the who's who to show you the
Speaker 2: fastest path to get to the top level in the game.
Speaker 2: And that's for the PGA Tour and the LPGA.
Speaker 3: Tour Amazing, amazing and the the people that you bring in,
Speaker 3: you're not just talking about swing mechanics. You've got them
Speaker 3: covering all different topics. Absolutely a month a month of
Speaker 3: golf smurters, like just going all over the place with
Speaker 3: a lot of different experts sharing their wisdom and instruction.
Speaker 3: Is this a hands on or an online course?
Speaker 2: No, so this is this is a live online summit
Speaker 2: LB two days on the eighteenth and nineteenth of November,
Speaker 2: and you know, we we have brought in PGA Tour
Speaker 2: LPGA Tour and a dp World Tour. So we had
Speaker 2: Justin Barget from PJ Tour to share his insight, you know,
Speaker 2: what does it look like in all the different paths
Speaker 2: to get to the PGA Tour. We also had Jody Brothers,
Speaker 2: who is Chief business Officer of the LPGA Tour and
Speaker 2: also the head of the Epsent Tour, which is the
Speaker 2: development tour for LPGA Tour. So he gives all of
Speaker 2: his insight and shares the multiple paths for someone to
Speaker 2: get to the LPGA Tour. But he also has given
Speaker 2: and is giving some amazing insight to get the attention
Speaker 2: of a potential sponsor invite. And that is fascinating because
Speaker 2: what he has and what he's going to share is
Speaker 2: amazing when it comes to getting your name recognized or
Speaker 2: putting yourself to the front of the stack. You know,
Speaker 2: these tournament directors, they're getting like fifty sixty seventy applicants
Speaker 2: on you know, trying to get a sponsor invite into
Speaker 2: a tour event. And what Jodie is going to share
Speaker 2: is one of the fastest ways to actually secure a
Speaker 2: tournament sponsored invite and that's super important. So that's gonna
Speaker 2: be a good one. And then we had Stuart Cage
Speaker 2: of DP World Tour, which is known as you know,
Speaker 2: formerly as a European tour, and he shares some amazing
Speaker 2: stuff and we'll share some incredible stuff. One, you know,
Speaker 2: how to increase your chances of qualifying through you know,
Speaker 2: Q school and stuff like that. So we got those guys,
Speaker 2: and then of course.
Speaker 3: And then well, well let's there's a long list of
Speaker 3: names and we'll get to more of those, but we'll
Speaker 3: come back and we'll do that in a minute. You
Speaker 3: mentioned that the summit is just coming up in a
Speaker 3: couple of days of when we're publishing this show. It's
Speaker 3: November eighteenth through the nineteenth. It's a two day online summit.
Speaker 3: So that means if somebody is like fascinated and wants
Speaker 3: to pursue this, but the date has already passed, is
Speaker 3: it still available on demand? Can you still get access
Speaker 3: to all this amazing information?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Oh good? But but oh but there's a butt.
Speaker 2: But this is going to be good for your listeners
Speaker 2: because you know what this means, Fred that when you
Speaker 2: publish something and when they come out with an episode,
Speaker 2: they definitely don't want the what they call it they
Speaker 2: call it FOMO fear missing out.
Speaker 3: Oh I know what means.
Speaker 2: This means that they need to watch your content as
Speaker 2: soon as possible, soon as it comes out. Because if
Speaker 2: you are listening to this right now, good for you,
Speaker 2: because if you want to attend the rot To Tour Summit,
Speaker 2: I'm going to actually show you there's a way that
Speaker 2: you can attend this for free and watch the entire
Speaker 2: event for free. And you'll know when you go to
Speaker 2: the to the page and go through Fred's link, which
Speaker 2: will be slash Golf Smarter, and you definitely want to
Speaker 2: check that out because the information that's gonna be shared
Speaker 2: on this summit, honestly, God, you know, we could charge
Speaker 2: one thousand plus for this, and in fact, there will
Speaker 2: be many PGA and there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: Jay instructors that are going to go through this for
Speaker 2: the MSR credits, but a lot of them will also
Speaker 2: attest and say that yes, I could have charged you know,
Speaker 2: a thousand plus for this event just for the information
Speaker 2: and who's on it, what they're going to be sharing,
Speaker 2: and even let's put it this way, if you're a
Speaker 2: person that is like a tour player and this information
Speaker 2: secures your tour card. What does that worth? Do you? Well,
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now that could be worth
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. So to be able to attend this
Speaker 2: for free for two days pretty fascinating. But if you are,
Speaker 2: by chance.
Speaker 3: Stop teasing, how do you do that?
Speaker 2: You go to the page, you'll find out.
Speaker 3: All right, So the link will be in our show notes.
Speaker 2: It will be. But even if even if you're listening
Speaker 2: to this after November eighteenth, nineteenth, it's totally fine. We're
Speaker 2: still going to show you twenty four yep. For we're
Speaker 2: going to show you how to still go to the
Speaker 2: link and you'll still be able to watch and see
Speaker 2: the recordings and we'll show you how to do that.
Speaker 3: Great, great, great great. Okay, let's keep talking about some
Speaker 3: of the people that you're going to have there, because
Speaker 3: make it worth it. Let's let's go down the list
Speaker 3: of people that you're going to be showcasing in your summit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like day one, obviously we got the PGA Torial,
Speaker 2: PGA Tour and dp World Tour, but we also have
Speaker 2: Mark Emmlman and you know Mark Snellan as a longtime broadcaster,
Speaker 2: brother of Trevor Limiman. And you know, Mark's a player himself,
Speaker 2: but he's also a great coach and he's been out
Speaker 2: there inside the roads for many years, and so he's
Speaker 2: got to see the who's who in the game. And
Speaker 2: what he's going to be sharing in that particular recording
Speaker 2: session with me is going to be fascinating because he's
Speaker 2: going to show you what it takes to get to
Speaker 2: that level, but not only that, what you need to
Speaker 2: do in order to stay out there. See, this is
Speaker 2: where a lot of players get wrong. They can make
Speaker 2: it on tour, they get their tour card, but how
Speaker 2: many times that we heard people lose their card within
Speaker 2: the year of actually obtaining it, and then we don't
Speaker 2: see them again. And so you want to watch Mark's
Speaker 2: episode because he's going to share some incredible stuff that's
Speaker 2: going to actually show you how to stay out there
Speaker 2: on door.
Speaker 3: And let me ask you this about about these presentations.
Speaker 3: Is this like a PowerPoint presentation that they're doing or
Speaker 3: are you interviewing these people? And I'm guessing it's all video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be video, And that's what's unique
Speaker 2: about it. You know, sometimes unlike you you know, most podcasters,
Speaker 2: they basically just record it and it's only audio, right,
Speaker 2: whereas this is going to be video and audio, and
Speaker 2: so people will be able to watch this. It's going
Speaker 2: to be live, and it's gonna be a live summit.
Speaker 3: On and each person's doing their own presentation and it's
Speaker 3: like a PowerPoint thing.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily a power point A lot of them is
Speaker 2: going to be like an interview style where we're going
Speaker 2: to be asking them questions and just getting information and.
Speaker 3: You're going to be doing that interview yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so someone might use a PowerPoint, they might
Speaker 2: go into presenting style, but in the case of market
Speaker 2: it's probably going to be sinces. His style all the
Speaker 2: time is podcasting like yourself. He's probably gonna be more
Speaker 2: comfortable to just sharing his information freely, right. So that's
Speaker 2: that's the first one, or that's one of the ones.
Speaker 2: On day one, we also got Pete Callen. Pe Callen
Speaker 2: is probably the best coach that nobody knows about. It's
Speaker 2: funny there's a Golf Digest article written about him with
Speaker 2: that title, But Pete is somebody that you should know
Speaker 2: about because, honestly, in my opinion, he's probably top three
Speaker 2: in the world just in terms of his wisdom and
Speaker 2: who he's worked with. I mean Roy mcroy's part of it.
Speaker 2: You know, the students he's worked with, Ian Matt's, Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 2: I think Lee Westwood, a lot of European stars, right
Speaker 2: and just to him and who he's worked with, he's
Speaker 2: credited for helping players win over two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: times worldwide and then eight majors. The guy's got a
Speaker 2: ton of wisdom and so his is someone I'm super
Speaker 2: excited about because wisdom that's gonna be shared on that
Speaker 2: is gonna be amazing. He doesn't really do a whole
Speaker 2: lot of interviews or you know, a lot of like
Speaker 2: freely sharing his information out there, So to get him
Speaker 2: on the summit, I'm pretty pumped about. So he'll be
Speaker 2: another one. We also got Parker McLachlan. He will also
Speaker 2: be on Day one. That's a short game chef. He's
Speaker 2: also a PGA Tour winner and he's gone through Q
Speaker 2: School twice. And he's the one that I'm really excited
Speaker 2: about because this guy has successfully gone through Q School twice.
Speaker 2: Not many people can really say that, and so again
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a lot of wisdom to share, like
Speaker 2: how to successfully go through Q School because everybody knows
Speaker 2: Q school is like the most intense pressure, right There's
Speaker 2: so much on the line, and for him to go
Speaker 2: through it and successfully qualify twice, it's gonna be pretty
Speaker 2: interesting to get his wisdom. But his segment is also
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot on short game. He's a phenomenal
Speaker 2: wadge player and he's one of the best out there
Speaker 2: to ever do it, and so he's going to share
Speaker 2: some really incredible insight on how to become a better
Speaker 2: wedge player, better person around the green, also in putting.
Speaker 2: And then we also have Scott Fawcett Ando. Scott's been
Speaker 2: on your show, and what better guy you know to
Speaker 2: cover strategy right.
Speaker 3: What decade decade golf?
Speaker 2: That's amazing. You know, he and I have developed a
Speaker 2: really good friendship over the years, and he's been pretty
Speaker 2: much I think, every summing I've done, and I mean,
Speaker 2: why not, because the guy is just so brilliant when
Speaker 2: it comes to just making better decisions and anybody is
Speaker 2: going to get better if you apply any of his stuff,
Speaker 2: so his is always going to be good. And then
Speaker 2: Shannon and I will also be on day one and
Speaker 2: we're going to share, you know, a lot on the
Speaker 2: mental side of game. And so that will include day
Speaker 2: one as far as the speakers for day one, but
Speaker 2: you know, it gets really good on day two. Get
Speaker 2: some incredible people on day two.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, come on.
Speaker 2: So one of the headliners is going to be Ted Scott.
Speaker 2: So it's no secret in the incredible year that Scotty
Speaker 2: Shuffler had this past year in twenty twenty four. But
Speaker 2: in my opinion, I really believe Ted is a big
Speaker 2: reason behind it. And here's why I know that we
Speaker 2: all got to see what happened at the PGA Championship
Speaker 2: earlier this year. Right Scotty gets arrested, goes to jail,
Speaker 2: He's probably only like one or two people that could
Speaker 2: go through that type of you know, firstands right adversity
Speaker 2: and still come out and shoot, man, what do you shoot?
Speaker 3: That day?
Speaker 2: It was like four or five under or something like
Speaker 2: that on that Friday or whatever it was. And what's
Speaker 2: interesting is the next day, and this has been planned,
Speaker 2: Ted was supposed to, you know, go home to his
Speaker 2: daughter's graduation or something like that in high school that
Speaker 2: he had already planned that he was going to be away.
Speaker 2: And then we see Scotty on day three, moving day
Speaker 2: and he really struggles with the fill in caddy. And
Speaker 2: so my opinion is Ted is a big part of
Speaker 2: like keeping him grounded. And Ted also believes like Scotty,
Speaker 2: you know, he believes in God and so he's he's
Speaker 2: and there's been articles and stuff like that written on
Speaker 2: their relationship and everything else. But I really believe that
Speaker 2: Ted is a major part of why he's done so well.
Speaker 2: And you know, the fascinating thing is Ted's got a
Speaker 2: ton of wisdom just in terms of caddy in So
Speaker 2: I brought Ted in because I want Ted to share
Speaker 2: on his experience as a caddy and what players need
Speaker 2: to look for when it comes to hiring their own caddy,
Speaker 2: because that's important. That's a team and a lot of times,
Speaker 2: you know, players come out of college and they don't
Speaker 2: give a lot of thought. And I remember Mark Fulcher,
Speaker 2: justin Roses caddy I had on the very first summit.
Speaker 2: I mean, he covered a lot of red flags when
Speaker 2: it comes to choosing the right caddy and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And you don't have that luxury if you earn your
Speaker 2: torque card and you choose a bad caddy and you're
Speaker 2: not gelling and you waste you five, six, eight events
Speaker 2: and you're not making a cut. That's gonna cost you
Speaker 2: a lot of money and that's gonna put you behind
Speaker 2: a ball. So that's another person that we brought in
Speaker 2: for Day two. We also brought in one of our
Speaker 2: tour players, Savannah a Lobby, and she's been amazing at
Speaker 2: just being able to showcase herself like through Instagram and
Speaker 2: making herself attractive to sponsors. So her information and her
Speaker 2: wisdom and just showing players on how to attract sponsorships
Speaker 2: is a big deal because when you're a college player
Speaker 2: and you're coming out, you need to go ahead and
Speaker 2: get the ball rolling on the social media side of
Speaker 2: things so that you can make yourself attractive to a
Speaker 2: potential sponsor. And she has done an amazing job of
Speaker 2: that from a grassroots level, so to speak. And so
Speaker 2: she'll share her wisdom on how to do that and
Speaker 2: that's gonna be very valuable. And then we also got
Speaker 2: people like Ralph Bauer of Tour Read. You know, I
Speaker 2: know a lot of times I was one of the
Speaker 2: first ones be so to find an aame point at
Speaker 2: the very beginning with David Orr. But you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of times I hear the complaint that when people
Speaker 2: struggle with reading greens and they've gone through ain point,
Speaker 2: it's like they can't really feel the percentage of their
Speaker 2: feet and stuff like that. Well, Tour Read is incredible
Speaker 2: because it's an app on your phone that you can
Speaker 2: literally just go out there and place on the green
Speaker 2: and see what the percentage is and you just continue
Speaker 2: to work through that to verify what your reads are.
Speaker 2: And so it's a really good alternate to someone to
Speaker 2: maybe struggle with a point. So I brought in Ralph
Speaker 2: to share his expertise on that. So that's going to
Speaker 2: cover the putting green reading side of things. And you know,
Speaker 2: we got a few more like John Dockerty who's going
Speaker 2: to cover full swing. And you know somebody that, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, is probably the most underrated in the swing
Speaker 2: space because of his time spent as Maco Grady's right
Speaker 2: hand man for many years when Mac did a lot
Speaker 2: of these golf schools. So a lot of wisdom, a
Speaker 2: lot of information, but it's all geared toward helping people
Speaker 2: get to that next level in the game, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: And how long per day is each summit day? So
Speaker 3: it sounds like a commitment to.
Speaker 2: An extent, right, you know, I believe we're looking at
Speaker 2: somewhere between three and a half to four and a
Speaker 2: half hours each day.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so make make that your plan for golf
Speaker 3: that weekend.
Speaker 2: You need to, right, No, no, no excuse Right, We're
Speaker 2: going to be a November golf for you know, basically
Speaker 2: North Carolina and above right, you know it's getting colder,
Speaker 2: so what better way to maybe take some cold days
Speaker 2: and immerse yourself into an event like this, The better
Speaker 2: your game for the off season.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, Road to the Tour Summit and it's going
Speaker 3: to be at Road to the toour Goolfsummit dot com.
Speaker 3: You got it, and there is a lot more information.
Speaker 3: There's a link in the today's show notes. Just use
Speaker 3: that and it'll take you there and get you. Well,
Speaker 3: you kept talking about you can do it for free
Speaker 3: if you go through this. I'm not sure what that means,
Speaker 3: but you can figure it out for yourself. Well, it's
Speaker 3: great to talk to you, man. It's always interesting what
Speaker 3: you're putting together, and I love having these conversations. Thanks
Speaker 3: so much. We'll coming back.
Speaker 1: Thanks you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Again. I'll leave a link in the show notes so
Speaker 3: that you can get access to the live event but
Speaker 3: also the on demand replay as well. You go to
Speaker 3: road to the Tour Golf Summit dot com slash golf Smarter,
Speaker 3: and that two in there is the number two road
Speaker 3: number two the Tour Golfsummit dot com slash Golf Smarter.
Speaker 3: I absolutely want to thank this week's Golf Smarter Ambassador,
Speaker 3: Francine Valley from West Vancouver, British Columbia, for opening today's episode,
Speaker 3: but I also want to make sure that franccene thinks
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Speaker 3: twenty six through the thirtieth, twenty twenty five to the
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Speaker 3: the entire weekend, but we're playing three different courses along
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