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I did show prep 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,240 for three different topic multiple topics actually for the whole show. 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,719 But people really want to keep talking about teacher pay, 12 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:42,320 and so I will keep talking about teacher pay. Lord 13 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:44,880 knows I've talked about it enough over my twenty five 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,719 year career. Here. So let's start off with Steve. Welcome 15 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:49,320 to the program. 16 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: Hello Steve, Hey Pete, thanks for shaking my call. Sure, 17 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:54,920 just wanting to correct John something that before breaking made 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,039 it sound like, Hey, it's such a great gig. It's 19 00:00:57,039 --> 00:00:59,439 like a thousand dollars pay increase per year, et cetera, 20 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:01,479 et cetera. Let me challenge you on something. 21 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: Okay, first, hang on, hang on, I'm going to correct you. 22 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,680 I said, it's a pretty good gig. I didn't say 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,560 it's a great gig. I said it's a pretty good gig. 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, it's a quote unquote pretty good gig. All right, Okay, 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,799 find me one company, and I want you to be 26 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:19,120 on this task as well as your listeners. Find me 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,519 one company in corporate America that freezes your pay for 28 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:26,519 a decade of your career, and then after that you 29 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:29,799 get one pay increase. So it's not like a big 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,879 pay increase. It's like another two thousand dollars a year. 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,480 So for those that are keeping score at home in 32 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:37,680 a fifteen year time span, that's half of a thirty 33 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:41,599 year career, right in fifteen years, two pay increases. Find 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,359 me one, I would say, find me somewhere. 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: I found one. 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no. 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,959 Speaker 1: I found one. Steve, I found one, Steve. I found one. 38 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,400 I found one. Go ahead, yeah, shoot me my career. 39 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:54,200 Why because that's what they do. 40 00:01:54,799 --> 00:01:57,719 Speaker 2: How are you not getting paid for a decade? You 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,439 get no pay increases for a decade. Yeah, I'm finding 42 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:01,120 this hard to believe. 43 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: You can find it hard to believe. I got no 44 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,000 base pay increase in my last job work there almost 45 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,840 nine years doing what radio? 46 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:13,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your requirements? You have to have? What kind 47 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:14,719 of certifications? 48 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: What kind of certifications? 49 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you have to have a degree, Do you 50 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,479 have to have a certification? And do you have to 51 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,560 maintain your certification? 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: Well, they used to have the FCC certifications, but they 53 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:24,879 don't really do that in. 54 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: A yeah, that's that's not true, but go ahead, No, 55 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:28,560 they don't do that. SEC's not part of go ahead? 56 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:30,599 What else? What other kind of certifications you need to 57 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:31,439 maintain your job? 58 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: No, I need ratings. I need Actually, I have to 59 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:39,199 deliver advertising revenue. That's a metric. That's what it's called. No, Steve, 60 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:42,000 that's a metric that I have to deliver. And if 61 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,800 I don't deliver it, I am then let go? Right? Right? 62 00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:50,080 Is there a compara? Is there a comparable for you? 63 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: Is there? If we don't perform? Yeah, we end up. 64 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,479 I know it's hard to believe because people think we're 65 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:59,919 a unionized state down here and you can't fire teachers. 66 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,719 Speaker 1: I said, it's difficult. It's difficult. 67 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: Yes, of course, there's due process. 68 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,199 Speaker 1: Huh right, it's not difficult to fire me. 69 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: Okay, right, okay, Well good, so you don't compare. Are 70 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,759 you done for? You don't comp your apples oranges. 71 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: You it's not apples to orange. And Steve, you asked 72 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,080 me for another industry that freezes pay, and I gave 73 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,800 you one mine. Now I will tell you also that 74 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:32,520 when the pandemic hit, are my industry cut people's pay 75 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,439 and it's in it. Yeah, it's that's the industry norm 76 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,000 is they cut everyone's pay ten percent across the board. 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,800 That's normal. So and I'm not saying that this is 78 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,080 that this makes my job harder or better or worse 79 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:49,319 or whatever. I'm just you asked for an example, so 80 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,879 I just gave you one. But I understand your argument 81 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,599 because way back when the Democrats ran the legislature, they 82 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,680 froze teacher pay. Absolutely, they froze it. 83 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,319 Speaker 2: They froze this, yes, because of the economics. 84 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: And they write they and they let go a bunch 85 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:03,159 of teachers. 86 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,879 Speaker 2: Right, teachers work for free for a week, right, And 87 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:07,400 that was wrong, free for a week. 88 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:10,319 Speaker 1: And you know what happened, right, and that was wrong. 89 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:13,800 And what happened was the Democrats lost control of the legislature. 90 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,560 The Republicans came in and they attempted their reforms, their 91 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,120 compensation reforms. They wanted to redo the whole compensation structure. 92 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: Just terrible. 93 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,399 Speaker 1: I know teachers opposed it right. 94 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: Because it was a nightmare. It was a joke. It 95 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,759 was an absolute nightmare. Oh I write, I wrote a 96 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,920 huge letter to the to the board that was was 97 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,040 I can't remember what they're called, it was there. And 98 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,480 the reason is they're trying to make a quote unquote 99 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,319 confusing system less confusing by offering a more confusing way 100 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:41,519 to evaluate teachers. 101 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,639 Speaker 1: So what's the best way to pay teachers based. 102 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,959 Speaker 2: On merit not merit pay? Merit pay is stupid. I 103 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:49,319 know you guys keep running the merit pay. 104 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: No, I'm asking, I'm asking Steve. So you say there's 105 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,160 no way that I can measure a teacher's performance. Listen, now, 106 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:00,639 just simple question. Can I measure a teacher's performance? And 107 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,800 if you tell how? Yes, okay, how. 108 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:09,399 Speaker 2: Classroom observations there's one, uh, you can call it. You 109 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:12,199 know how people do on their on their on their testing, 110 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:14,360 which I do have a problem with that. The state tests. 111 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:16,199 You can see if the teachers measuring up that way 112 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:19,680 that The problem with the merit pay is, how are 113 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,959 you going to have the teachers that want to take 114 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,120 on the high risk that the kids are most likely 115 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,439 to fail at a test. No teacher is going to 116 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,839 want to take that on if they're not going to 117 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,519 make any money. If they're not going to they're going 118 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,600 to lose their job. But their jobs in jeopardy by 119 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,560 taking on the most volable kids in our community. That's 120 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,959 what merit pay is. That's a bad idea. So then 121 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,720 another teacher, that's not how good. It's all the smartest 122 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:42,680 kids in the in the school building and hey look 123 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,240 at me, I'm the grace say all my kids pass 124 00:05:44,319 --> 00:05:46,600 my you know, third gradio c's and all that stuff. Yeah, 125 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,000 but you got the best and brightest minds of them. 126 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: So what's the what's the optimal pay system? 127 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: The optimal pay system? That's a great question, and this 128 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:57,639 could be a soapbox topic for me. But no, if 129 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:00,759 if half the teachers in the United the States leave 130 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,959 with them the first five years, that means that means 131 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:06,319 we're constantly the first three to five years, we're constantly 132 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:08,720 getting new teachers. You're not a good teacher until you're three. 133 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:11,519 Your three is what is the It's. 134 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So what's the optimal I already know that what's 135 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:17,560 the optimal system. 136 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,959 Speaker 2: Well, I would say yearly bonus, like a yearly that 137 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,759 back in nineteen ninety seven when I first started on, 138 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,120 you can see about a thousand, about seven to fifty 139 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,720 one thousand dollars every five years. You need to get 140 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:31,000 the biggest one. But you get the steps down the GP. Yeah, 141 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,759 the steps twenty ten. GP came in. They took away 142 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:34,360 the steps. They took it. 143 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: They didn't take away. Say no, no, no, no away, opinion, fellow, 144 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,959 hang on, hang on. They implemented fifteen. 145 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: Steps, right, the steps were a joke. 146 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: The fifteen steps are one thousand dollars, which you just 147 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:50,319 said was a good number. Well, one thousand dollars a 148 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:52,399 year for the first years. 149 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:54,759 Speaker 2: Now they're about seven to fifty maybe every five years 150 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,000 about a thousand. But that's how you know. 151 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, the fifteen you're starting with. The 152 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,560 GP did it out what four years ago whatever it 153 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,639 was five years ago they did. They they implemented starting 154 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,279 pay at thirty five K. Now it's like fifty the 155 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,839 thirty five K, and you would get to fifty K 156 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,920 over fifteen years with one thousand dollars step increases, not 157 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,839 including cost of living increases or anything else that's just guaranteed. 158 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: Cost of living increases. There isn't cost of. 159 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: Living in there. 160 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:24,319 Speaker 1: What are you talking about their cost of living Carolina. 161 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:27,160 I'm talking North Carolina, Steve, I don't know about South Carolina. 162 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:28,360 I'm talking about North Carolina. 163 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: It's built in in South Carolina's built in a state 164 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,519 constitution that they get cost a living increase. 165 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:37,399 Speaker 1: Year in North Carolina. So a constitutional amendment is what 166 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,759 you're demanding, that a cost of living increase every year 167 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,319 for teachers. 168 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: There's all kinds of things we can do to say. 169 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: So you want guarantee, okay, So you want guaranteed increased 170 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:49,839 pay for all teachers, no matter if they suck or not. 171 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: Listen, if you're going to start first year teachers at 172 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:57,079 fifty thousand, when you have veteran teachers that took twenty years, 173 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,240 you know I'm not taking up to that. 174 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,959 Speaker 1: I'm asking you for what you're so is, and I'm 175 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,480 asking if the solution you are proposing is annual increases, 176 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:07,879 whether or not the teachers are good or not. 177 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: Yes, here's my ocation. 178 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: So every teacher gets a pay raise forever, and that's. 179 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: Okay, the solution right now? If you want to keep 180 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,879 and retain good teachers in the state of North Carolina 181 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,160 is a twenty percent pay increase across the board for 182 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,639 all certified teachers. That would take starting pay for a 183 00:08:23,639 --> 00:08:26,480 teacher to fifty guys at fifty to sixty and someone 184 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,439 that's like fifty five to about sixty five. If you 185 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,600 think sixty five thousand a year is too much for 186 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:31,519 a bet, that's just. 187 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: The state though. You're just talking about the state allocation. 188 00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the federal Yeah, no, not the federal. 189 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,399 Speaker 1: The state, but there are I haven't even touched on 190 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,080 the federal funding allocations. I'm just talking about state. 191 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:44,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, there isn't federal the state. 192 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, they go to the schools and then 193 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:50,159 they use the money for incentives and stuff. But you've 194 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:54,240 got the state that pays a base and then you 195 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,279 have local supplements as well. 196 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,039 Speaker 2: Right by Charlote mckimurg as the second highest wait county 197 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:01,039 as the first highest counties pretty. 198 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: Well, right, So what is that number? How does that 199 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:07,039 number figure into your your base pay or do you don't? 200 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,039 You just don't even You just ignore the supplements. 201 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:12,399 Speaker 2: The local supplement isn't the problem. 202 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: People aren't lead I'm not saying it's a problem. I'm 203 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,600 saying I'm asking it's compensation. But the number that you 204 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,440 gave me is just the state baseline. You want all teachers. 205 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,159 So when they start off, what do they make? 206 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,879 Speaker 2: Well, Republicans right now trying to push it to fifty. 207 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:28,120 I think that's fair if they want to push it 208 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,360 a fifty fine. So the problem is they're pushing the 209 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:32,360 starting paid of fifty and then the veteran teachers are 210 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:34,480 stuck where they're at. And what I just said people, 211 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,159 we're twenty years to get. 212 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,519 Speaker 1: Because they move in. But do you know the rationale 213 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:38,720 for that? 214 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I know exactly what's the rationale for The rationale 215 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:46,039 is to it's expensive having veteran teachers teaching is the only. 216 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: Part that's not the rationale. No, that wasn't the rationale. 217 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,039 Speaker 2: That's the hidden rationale. 218 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,639 Speaker 1: Oh okay, sorry, So okay, I will give you the 219 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:54,879 other rationales. I'll give you the other rationales for it, 220 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:58,279 which is number one, people move into the administrative roles 221 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,000 right in order to make big money. 222 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: But also big money that's good. 223 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah when compared to the teachers, right. Yeah, do you 224 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,000 know what a superintendent in Charlotte Mecklenberg makes you get 225 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:14,519 on that path. Not even close, buddy, not even close. 226 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,639 They're pushing it. They're pushing half a million. They're pushing 227 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,159 half a mill. No, okay, well don't believe me. That's fine. 228 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:24,440 You don't have to believe me, Steve. I appreciate the call. 229 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,759 I don't think you're going to win a lot of 230 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:31,679 public support by simply saying more twenty percent across the board, 231 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,919 pay raises for everybody. Like I said, I'm happy to 232 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:36,840 pay great teachers one hundred K plus two hundred k. 233 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:39,039 I'm happy to do that, but I'm not going to 234 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,000 pay the terrible teachers the same amount of money. So 235 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,919 you guys, figure it out. Figure out some plan where 236 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:49,279 I can assess performance. And before you tell me that 237 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,000 you can't figure out how to assess performance, that's literally 238 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:58,879 your job. Literally your job is to assess performance. 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Mail orders are 258 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,120 accepted to get all the details that create a video 259 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,279 dot com once again with caler Steve, just like with 260 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,639 Tina in the previous hour, I think a lot of 261 00:12:17,639 --> 00:12:22,039 people in the K twelve education industry have a blind 262 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:29,200 spot of what occurs outside the industry. His first premise 263 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:32,759 or his assertion was that name me another profession or 264 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:38,120 industry that has pay freezes for a decade, and then 265 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:40,159 I gave him one and it just so happened to 266 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:47,080 be me, me personally, and that does not change his mind. 267 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,679 That's not like, that doesn't alter his argument. Which then 268 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,799 why are you asking the question if you are truly 269 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:54,799 seeking information? 270 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 2: Right? 271 00:12:55,639 --> 00:12:58,519 Speaker 1: Is it a good faith question? And it wasn't. It 272 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,240 was done in order to try to make some point 273 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,399 that we have it worse than everybody else, but you don't. 274 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,759 And that was my point, is that the things that 275 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:12,519 you experience in your profession, in your industry, other people 276 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:18,200 in other professions and industries also suffer. And sometimes they 277 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,200 suffer different things, and sometimes you suffer different things. Right, 278 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:29,279 every job has its pros and cons. And you know, 279 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:31,360 I'm sorry if somebody told you you would get rich 280 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,000 being a teacher, I don't know who that person is. 281 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,720 That's never been my understanding of the profession. But there 282 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,240 were trade offs, and people who get into the line 283 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,440 of work love the line of work. That is a 284 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,919 similarity that I have with teachers. People who love radio 285 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:51,440 will stay in radio for as long as possible because 286 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,000 they love it. We love it, and management knows it, 287 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:59,120 and so like that same thing with police and firefighters. 288 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:04,559 They love the job and the cities know it, and 289 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,320 they can pay accordingly. That's the game. So and if 290 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,919 the point comes where you're not making enough money to 291 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,440 do the thing that you love, then you have a 292 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,399 decision to make. All right, let me go back to 293 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,399 the phones here, Susie. Welcome to the show. 294 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:20,879 Speaker 2: Hey Susie, Hey, how are you doing. 295 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm good? What's up? Okay? 296 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:26,159 Speaker 4: The two things. The first point is that I called 297 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:29,919 and I talked to your screener about the situation is 298 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,039 because there is such a cap on how much a 299 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,440 teacher can earn, a lot of teachers go into administration 300 00:14:36,759 --> 00:14:40,240 right when they're really, really good teachers that really should 301 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:46,000 stay in the classroom because they're needed there. And I 302 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:48,039 was told many times they say, well, all as smart 303 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:49,879 as you are, as much as you know, and you 304 00:14:49,919 --> 00:14:52,639 should go into administration. I thought in that to work 305 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:55,639 with students. I didn't get in to tell other people 306 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,120 what to do, you know, other adults. So anyway, I think, 307 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:01,240 and especially me, and because you men feel like they 308 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,840 be the provider, they're home and they would be they're 309 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:09,679 needed as teatures. But because of the structure of the 310 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,879 pay skill, then they are they leave. You see what 311 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:18,759 I'm saying, So there's a brain drain of good teatures 312 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:21,559 into administration so that they can make more money. 313 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: Okay, if that's the primary motivation, yeah, I know, right, 314 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:30,159 just like you're not motivated by making more money, right 315 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,799 you didn't. You said you were staying in the profession 316 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:36,960 because you wanted to keep teaching kids. Yeah, right, so 317 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:38,720 if you, But if you, but if you get to 318 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:41,159 you that that length of service and you've got all 319 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,200 of this institutional knowledge, and then you and then at 320 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,399 that point you're like, you know what I do want 321 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,919 to make more money, then I will go do the 322 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,600 administrative side. 323 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,279 Speaker 4: Yes, But what I'm saying is we need tatures in 324 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,240 the classroom and it should not be set up that 325 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:02,840 you can't you can advance unless you leave the classroom. 326 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,120 You see what I'm saying. 327 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Well, well, hang on a second, no, because you're saying advance. 328 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:10,000 You're not talking about advancement, you're talking about more money. 329 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,639 Speaker 4: Well, and let me tell you why I was listening 330 00:16:13,679 --> 00:16:17,279 to you. I learned a lot about North Carolina, how 331 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,159 different they are from South Carolina. Number One, that guy 332 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,639 that did tax is that said they make sixty five 333 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:25,679 thousand dollars in pension? I want to know. 334 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,559 Speaker 1: And that included social Security, he said? He said social 335 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Security said their and their retirement pay right combined. He 336 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:39,320 said his clients were pulling in like eighty k. So yeah, probably, yeah, 337 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,000 sixty thousand. 338 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: Well I want to know more. 339 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 4: That's difference in South Carolina. But anyway, let me tell 340 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:48,360 you something. Another thing is this, there is no such 341 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,120 thing as vacation. I thought over forty years, I never 342 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:54,960 had a vacation day, but I had plenty of unpaid 343 00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:58,759 work days. Because when school is out in June, you 344 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,200 have to go in there and pack up room. Then 345 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,799 you have to take graduate classes on your own time 346 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:08,839 to keep your certification up. And as I got new 347 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,480 students because of that, and the students were classified in 348 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:16,920 new ways, and that no child left behind a highly 349 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,680 qualified teacher. To be a highly qualified teacher, I had 350 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,680 to keep going back and back and back and getting 351 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,960 new and new, more and more certifications on my own time, 352 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,119 on my own time. 353 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: See, no, I would see I would agree with you 354 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,440 that I wouldn't. I wouldn't incentivize any of that stuff. 355 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,160 And I don't like the way that the education establishment 356 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,200 constantly shifts gears and says, we're gonna do it a 357 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,079 new way. We're going to change this, We're gonna change that. 358 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,160 I think that they just rearrange deck chairs on the 359 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,200 Titanic by doing that and make everybody scramble. I would 360 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,680 prefer to let teachers teach, but I would also then say, 361 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:52,839 if you're not doing a good job, there has to 362 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,359 be a way to assess the outcome in order to 363 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,720 say you're not doing a good job. 364 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,559 Speaker 4: She made a point about the tatures that deal't violence students. 365 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,440 I dealt with some really violent students. I have been 366 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:11,680 bit I have been spit, I have been slapped. And 367 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,559 one time we got this. The bus driver called in 368 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:16,079 and said. 369 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: Susie, can I put you on hold because I want 370 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,319 to hear this story, but I'm late for news, So 371 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,680 can I put you on hold and then we'll come 372 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,039 back and you can pick it up right there? Okay, okay, 373 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:27,720 thank you? All right, Hang on a second, here's a 374 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:30,640 great idea. How about making an escape to a really 375 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,920 special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a 376 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,599 quick drive up the mountain and cabins of Ashville is 377 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,519 your connection. 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So as they contacted me, 403 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,119 and they also contacted the resource to meet the bus. 404 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,799 So I ran out the poor tim pulling and as 405 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,119 he was getting off, the other students got off her 406 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,160 quick and then the UH. As that student was getting off, 407 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,640 he was screaming and yeeling, and I used what I 408 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,440 had learned to calm him down, how to approach him, 409 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,079 how to talk to him, and how to diffuse the situation. Well, 410 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,559 the Resource, who have been a deputy share for many, 411 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:35,839 many years, and he said that he was getting there 412 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,799 as fast as he could, but he watched what I 413 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,160 did and he said that I was able to do 414 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:45,799 things that they taught them at the Police Academy of 415 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,240 how to deal with situations like that. Now I want 416 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:49,720 to ask you that. 417 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: Okay, there, how. 418 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,839 Speaker 4: Can a you don't do that on the standardized tests? 419 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:58,319 Speaker 1: Hang on a second, What was the point, Susie? Hang on? 420 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,119 What was the What was the purpose of the of 421 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,160 the bus driver story? 422 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 4: Okay, the bus, the student was on the bunk. 423 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: I know the story. What was the point of it? 424 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 4: The point is this, I've had to use skills that 425 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:19,039 cannot be measured by standardized test and if my pay 426 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:25,200 is dependent on what the students make on standardized testes, 427 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:26,279 where does that lead? 428 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:29,599 Speaker 1: I've got an answer? Yeah, all right, so I can 429 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,960 answer that. So when I talk about a merit based system, 430 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:37,279 I'm not talking about it based solely on a single metric. 431 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:40,240 I'm not saying it's only based on test results. I 432 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,160 would submit that you could base it on improvement. Right, 433 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,079 you measure kids on the way in, you measure them 434 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,000 on the way out. Did they show improvement? You can 435 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:50,799 have something like that. You can also do yes testing, 436 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,359 You could also do student and parent and coworker and 437 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,400 principal evaluations and such. Right, they do this at the 438 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,599 college level. So I would submit that there are ways, 439 00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:07,920 through various metrics to create some sort of a scoring system, 440 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:10,799 much like you, as a teacher do for your students. 441 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:14,480 You have to grade them. You have to assess their progress, right, 442 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:17,759 you have to assess their mastery of the material. So 443 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:20,039 I would submit that there is a way that you 444 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,839 can craft some sort of a system. Now, I'm not 445 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:25,599 telling you how that should be crafted. I will leave 446 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,000 it to the people like yourself, who are professional assessors. 447 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,680 So I would be. 448 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 4: All here, they don't take into consideration the other things 449 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,279 we deal with, like I deal with the violent children. 450 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,079 Speaker 1: Right, Well, then we could put that into the mix. Yeah, 451 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:45,079 we could put that into the mix. 452 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,759 Speaker 4: You only work fifteen hours a week, you have. 453 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not true, Susie, Susie, that is not true. 454 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,759 Speaker 4: Well, okay, I'm on. 455 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:00,799 Speaker 1: The air, Susie. I am on the air for three 456 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:04,359 hours a day, five days a week. I do minimum 457 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,839 two hours of prep for every one hour on air minimum. 458 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,960 And that's not including all of the other events that 459 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,319 I go and I attend. That does not include the 460 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,640 work I do for the podcast. It does not include 461 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,079 any of the other things that I am called to 462 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,200 do by the employer. Okay, So I have not You just. 463 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 4: Not my point, which is what teachers are in the 464 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,759 classroom seven hours a day. They have four hours of prep, 465 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:37,599 parent conferences, bush duty, car all those other duties, PATO meetings, 466 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,759 And in the summer, which I'll call vacation, which is 467 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,359 not a single day of vacation. 468 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,839 Speaker 1: It just I don't believe you, Susie. I don't believe 469 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,799 you that it's not a single day of vacation over 470 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:47,240 the summer. 471 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:51,079 Speaker 4: Oh No, vacation means you get paid for it. What 472 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,920 I'm saying is this, we're just not employed. And let 473 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,359 me tell you when I started, you. 474 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: Get paid for a full year's salary for a ten 475 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,720 month work. No, sure you do, Sure you do shorten. 476 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 4: You get short in your check in September, you get 477 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,960 short in your check. In October, you get short in 478 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,279 your check. You don't get your full check for what 479 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,160 you work. They pay it to you in the summer. 480 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: They hold on, so you do get paid over the summer. 481 00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 4: But it's the money that I earned in September. 482 00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: Is no, it's an annual. It's no, it's an annual salary, 483 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,720 just divided over twelve months. And the reason why they 484 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,480 pay you over the summer like that is because teachers 485 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,039 complained about not having any income coming in over the summer, 486 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,200 so they spread it out over the summer. So it 487 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,680 sounds like so it sounds like you're you're not happy 488 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,319 with that either. 489 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:38,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. 490 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:42,079 Speaker 1: See, Susie, Susie, this is about all right, Susie, Susie, 491 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:44,440 this is this was what I was saying earlier. 492 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,079 Speaker 4: Okay, you are not you say it about our insurance. 493 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,680 I paid six hundred. 494 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: Dollars, Susie. I fit, Susie. I feel like you need 495 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:53,920 to tire. 496 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,839 Speaker 4: A lot of that insurance just went away. 497 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Susie, I retired. I think you need to quit your job. 498 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:00,440 You sound miserable at it. 499 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: No, no, I talked for forty three years. I loved 500 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:05,000 every minute. 501 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: Oh so you are retired. 502 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,599 Speaker 4: Talking about but I'm talking about this. I am taught that. 503 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,519 It's like you'd sayers get vacations. We don't get vacation. 504 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:17,839 Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I know, Susie. I know, Susie. 505 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,160 I know too many teachers, Susie, Susie, I know too 506 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,559 many teachers that take vacation. They have vacation days. So 507 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:28,039 when you tell me they don't get vacation, that's not true. 508 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,880 They do have vacation. Now, you're saying, oh, well, they don't. 509 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,680 They don't. They're not working getting a salary for those 510 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,200 summer months, although they are actually drawing a paycheck. But 511 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,039 then they have the opportunity to go work at another 512 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,079 gig as a waitress. You know who. I can't do that. 513 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,160 I don't get six weeks eight weeks straight off where 514 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,240 I could take on another gig for two months. I 515 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,319 don't get that. And by the way, I don't begrudge 516 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,240 you for doing it. I don't have any problem with 517 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:55,400 anybody taking as many opportunities as they can. What I 518 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,119 am simply highlighting here, Susie, is a blind spot that 519 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,839 you a lot. I'm with the caller Steve and the 520 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,960 caller Tina, who are all teachers. You guys have a 521 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,119 blind spot for the way things work outside of the 522 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,440 K twelve government model. And I'm simply suggesting that maybe 523 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,599 it's a pretty good gig the way you've got it. 524 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:17,960 It may be. 525 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 4: And by coming hour from six thirty in the morning 526 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,200 to four point thirty at night, and I still took 527 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:25,480 paper work home. 528 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: I have heard, Susie, do you think you're the only 529 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,480 person that works at home and takes work home with him. 530 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,240 I woke up at five in the morning. I work 531 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,759 until on a city council or a county commission night 532 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:38,920 until nine o'clock at night. So it's But this is 533 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,559 the thing, Susie. If you love your work, why are 534 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,880 you bitching to me about it? I love my work. 535 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,119 I don't complain about the hours that I work because 536 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,240 I love my work, and if and if it was 537 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,200 if I didn't like it, I would stop doing. Of 538 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,079 course you are. You're trying to tell me that your 539 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,079 job is so much harder than everybody else's. 540 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 4: Complaining about your brittiness representation. 541 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: What was my misrepresentation? Okay, that it's not a good game. 542 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 4: Do you have to buy your own sound board and 543 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:12,279 take it to work? 544 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 5: You? 545 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: I operate all of my own stuff. All of this 546 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,559 stuff here is mine. I have my own soundboard, my 547 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:21,960 own computers, my own phone lines. I have all of 548 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,240 that myself. Yes, Susie, this is my point. Once again, 549 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,640 you've illustrated it. Thank you for the call. You have 550 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,000 a blind spot. You think that you're doing something that 551 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,720 nobody else in the private sector does, and you are wrong. 552 00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,680 You're wrong. That's all I'm trying to communicate to you. 553 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,400 I'm not saying that your job is all sunshine and rainbows. 554 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:50,960 There are definitely massive challenges for teachers. Absolutely, it's difficult work. 555 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,559 Not everybody can do it. It is a gift the 556 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,519 real people, the real great teachers, It is a gift. 557 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:00,720 I want to reward them. I would love to be 558 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,200 able to do so, but I don't want to reward 559 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,200 the bad ones. And until you, as an industry can 560 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,680 figure out a way that I don't have to pay 561 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,799 the crap teachers the same amount as I'm paying the 562 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,160 great ones, then we're going to be arguing about this. 563 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,200 And and when you make these I've got My emails 564 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,240 are blown up with people saying that they deal with 565 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,359 the exact same pressures that teachers do in just in 566 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,279 different ways. It's the same stuff. You know, Steve calls in, 567 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,240 Oh we got you know, we have a pay raise 568 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,039 in eight years, and nobody else got that. Like, I've 569 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,200 got tweets and emails, I got loaded phone lines and 570 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,680 people are like, oh, yeah that was us. Yeah we 571 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,440 got furloughed. That's what I mean. Like, you think this 572 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,640 stuff doesn't happen to anybody else, and it does. It does. 573 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,200 That's all I'm saying it does. Man, all right, if 574 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,000 you're listening to this show, you know I try to 575 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:53,839 keep up with all sorts of current events, and I 576 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,079 know you do too, And you've probably heard me say 577 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,279 get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's 578 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,960 how you detect media bias, which is why I've been 579 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,559 so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's 580 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,480 a website and it combines news from around the world 581 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:13,000 in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. 582 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,920 You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news, 583 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,559 slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. 584 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,240 I started using ground News a few months ago and 585 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,960 more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate 586 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,319 because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered 587 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,279 and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which 588 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:35,200 stories get ignored by the left and the right. See 589 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:40,279 for yourself check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. Subscribe 590 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,200 through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. 591 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,240 I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to 592 00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,759 every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, 593 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,160 but it also supports ground News as they make the 594 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,599 media landscape more transparent all right, so I got tons 595 00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,960 of messages. Here tell Susie. In order to do my job, 596 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,480 I have to buy my own t rock, my own tools, 597 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,359 gas increased, insurance, workers comp commercial car insurance and health insurance, 598 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,200 pieces of equipment, and many other things. All right, we 599 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,079 got Spencer up. Next, Spencer, I'm going to give you 600 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,759 a minute because I got a lot of people I 601 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:16,039 want to try to get on welcome. 602 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Pete, here's a good one for you. It's 603 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,039 called Bailey Fested. And back in the eighties, the legislature 604 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,519 kept freezing raises and saying next year we'll fix it, 605 00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,279 and then next year they said freeze wage. And the 606 00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,799 next year, well, finally there was a lawsuit and all 607 00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:41,720 of those teachers who made at least five years continued 608 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:49,079 service during this time would get their pension state tax 609 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,000 free when they retired. Oh no, yeah that yeah. 610 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:53,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 611 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: On top of that, if you were in the four 612 00:30:55,759 --> 00:31:00,559 to h one kent eighty nine or eight, I can't 613 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920 remember which year it was, but if you were in 614 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,079 the four to oh one k, after you retired and 615 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,400 you had to do the RMDS, you know, the required 616 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,559 minimum distribution, that was tax free as well. 617 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Spedzer. I appreciate the call man. Thank you. Here's 618 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400 a message from Melissa says, I recently found out that 619 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,359 a nurse with ten years experience and less education makes 620 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,680 the same as I do with twenty five years experience 621 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,880 and the extra education and certification. So it happens in 622 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,799 every profession. Pete, I'm losing my mind. I'm not busy 623 00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:35,160 now because I have a morning appointments and more evening appointments. 624 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,440 I went to the office at six fifty five am. 625 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,519 I don't look at days off. I work like it's 626 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:44,200 a normal day, sheep. The Feds have limits my compensation 627 00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:48,920 and I pay fee after fee after fee. This is Eric. 628 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,400 Hello Eric, welcome to the show. 629 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,839 Speaker 5: Hey Pete, I wish you would have given me Susie's time. 630 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,279 I am also a retired teacher Charlotte Mecklenberg Schools. I 631 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:05,720 retired last June. Thank you, sir. When I started back 632 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,960 in the day, I knew exactly what the payscale was. 633 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,000 It wasn't like as if it was a surprise. I 634 00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:16,039 hate when teachers act all surprised on what their pay is. 635 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,559 If I wanted to get a higher paying job, I 636 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,279 could have gone into something else. When I started out, 637 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:25,319 I realized that my pay was low and I wanted 638 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,960 to get into coaching, but that supplement wasn't enough, so 639 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:31,960 I started a business. It was a lucrative business that 640 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,039 I had for a while and I sold and it 641 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,519 was a good choice to supplement my income. I also 642 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,359 won perk for being a teacher is you can accumulate 643 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,559 your sick days. I was able to retire two years 644 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,359 early because I had two years worth the sick days. 645 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,519 Now I'm collecting a pension, and I also went into 646 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:58,559 the private sector to teach, so I'm double dipping. I 647 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:04,279 got a considerable raise based on my plan. Teachers, we 648 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:08,559 need to stop getting this having this idea where we 649 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,079 lose focus on the difference between equality and fairness. The fact, 650 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200 the fact of the matter is we are not equal 651 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,680 to someone that is managing a you know, a fund, 652 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,240 or you know someone that is you know, a real 653 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:29,759 estate broker that's getting high commissions. That's not how we 654 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,480 get compensated. You have to be realistic and find ways. 655 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,720 Another thing that I did is for twenty years I 656 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:41,279 was National Board certified. When you get that certification, the 657 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,680 state gives you a twelve percent pay increase and that 658 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,960 was also on top of the twelve percent, on top 659 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,200 of the local supplement as well. And that's another thing 660 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,160 that teachers need to understand, those local supplements. Yes, that 661 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:02,279 is summer pay, and it varies from district to district. 662 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,440 Charlotte Mecklenberg is one of the top ones. That's why 663 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,559 I stayed there for as long as I did. It's 664 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,480 about ten yeah, thousands of dollars of decreased. 665 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like ten k. You're right now, it's ten 666 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,440 thousand dollars the supplement take Yeah, Eric, I I got 667 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,639 a run. I appreciate the call. It's great information. I 668 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,400 should have given you Susie's time. You are correct, all right, 669 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,760 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 670 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,840 for listening. I could not do the show without your 671 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,679 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 672 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,440 the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too 673 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:33,199 and tell them you heard it here. You can also 674 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,840 become a patron at my Patreon page or go to 675 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,679 dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, 676 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,639 and don't break anything while I'm gone.