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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. Look, I don't think it's any shock to

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anybody at this point that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein

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were buddies and that they spent a lot of time

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together back in the day. That has all been well documented.

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And in a new article from the New York Times,

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they're talking about that relationship once again. And look, it

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doesn't make Donald Trump guilty, right, we have to make

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sure we're clear about that doesn't make him guilty of

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being involved in the crimes until we have evidence of that.

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If we ever have evidence of that, we can't run

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around and make things up. But for me, it's the

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enabling and of course that's not criminal at least not

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that we know of, unless there was something else going

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on behind the scenes, you know, money laundering, whatever. But

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what it is is morally despicable and it makes things

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so much worse for Donald Trump that he's the president,

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he knows he's in these files, and he did everything

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in his power to keep the information from the American public.

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And of course the reasoning is, well, there's national security

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interests on the line, there's an ongoing investigation, but do

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you really believe that if say it was flipped around

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and Obama was with Jeffrey Epstein all the time, Trump

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would have released the files on day one. Of course

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he would have. That's the kind of guy he is, right,

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The guy is petty and he holds a grudge, There's

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no doubt about it. But the fact is it was

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Donald Trump himself who was spending all this time with Epstein,

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and it was documented in pictures, it was documented at events.

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There's no running from that, and anybody who tries to

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deny it or downplay it is really just digging the

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hole deeper. You have to confront that kind of shit

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head on right, yep, this is a fact. They hung out,

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there were friends. What else happened? And that's where Trump

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really stepped in it. Everybody knew that they were friendly,

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but now that we're getting documented proof that that friendship

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went deeper, that leads to more sinister questions. What did

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he know? When did he know it? And was he

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ever around when anyone was being abused? And Donald Trump

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himself could have cleared all of this up by just

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releasing the files right away and speaking to the American

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public directly, Hey, look me and this dude were friends.

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Not exactly the greatest moment of my life, but I

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was never around when there was any abuse going on.

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Here's the proof. That's what a man with integrity and

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nothing to hide does. But what did Donald Trump do?

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He retreated right back to the bunker, and not only that,

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he set fire to the battlefield before he left, calling

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people traders, calling people stupid whatever. Meanwhile, the only one

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who looks stupid is Donald Trump and the people still

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defending him over this shit. And I'm certainly not somebody

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with Trump derangement syndrome. I don't think about the dude

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enough to even care that much, because at the end

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of the day, I understand that the president, Donald Trump

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or anybody else is just a symptom of a much

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bigger problem. So I don't spend all my time worrying

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about this dude. He's going to be gone soon. There'll

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be a new election and a new jerk off will

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take over. But we're not going to run from the

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fact that Donald Trump's the president right now and he's

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overseeing what I think is a gigantic cover up. So

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in this episode, we're going to talk a little bit

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more about the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,

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as told by The New York Times and the headline

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Don's best Friend. How Epstein and Trump bonded over the

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pursuit of women. This article was authored by Nicholas Confessor

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and Julie Tait. Jeffrey Epstein was a terrific guy and

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a lot of fun to be with. He and Donald J.

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Trump also had no formal relationship. They went to a

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lot of the same parties, but they didn't socialize together.

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They were never really friends, just business acquaintances, or there

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was no relationship at all. I was not a fan

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of his. That's all I can tell you. Those are

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some of the things that Donald Trump has said about

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his obvious relationship with Epstein. And look again, I'm not

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gonna sit here and tell you that there's a bunch

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of criminality here that I can point to. But that's

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not the issue at hand, at least it's not when

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it comes to Donald Trump. It's the lie upon lie

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that he's told and how those lies have compounded and

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turned into a cover up. For nearly a quarter century,

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mister Trump and his representatives have offered shifting, often contradictory

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accounts of his relationship with mister Epstein, once sporadically captured

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by society photographers and in newsclips before they fell out

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sometime in the mid two thousands, closely scrutinized. Since mister

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Epstein died in a Manhattan Jael cell during mister Trump's

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first term, there are friendship in questions about what the

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president knew of mister Epstein's abuses now threatens to consume

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his second one. Yeah, look, there's no doubt about it.

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People can say whatever they want about the falling numbers

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of Donald Trump, but if you don't think that this

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played a gigantic part, you're crazy. And that's because a

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lot of the independents who supported Trump are abandoning ship.

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One of the main issues for independent voters was this

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issue specifically, and Donald Trump obviously has failed the test.

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The controversy has shaken mister Trump's iron hold on his

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base like no other. Loyal supporters have demanded to know

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why the administration has not moved more quickly to on

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earth the convicted sex offenders remaining secrets. In November, after

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resisting months of pressure to release more Epstein related documents

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held by the federal government and Facing an almost unheard

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of revolt among Republican lawmakers, mister Trump reversed himself, signing

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legislation that requires their release beginning this week. And we

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all know that we had to drag him there, kicking

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and screaming. He didn't want to do it on his own.

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In fact, he didn't do it on his own. If

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it wasn't for the discharge petition, they'd still be dogwalking

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this shit. Believe me, that was always the plan, dog

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walk this as long as possible. Mister Epstein had a

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talent for acquiring powerful friends, some of whom have become

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ensnared in the continuing scrutiny of his crimes for months.

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Mister Trump is labored furiously to shift himself out of

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the frame, dismissing questions about his relationationship with mister Epstein

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as a Democrat hoax and imploring his supporters to ignore

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the matter entirely, Like who does that? What kind of

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scoundrel tells people to ignore Jeffrey Epstein unless, of course,

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you're scared of something come into the surface. And to

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my opinion, there's a whole lot of fear of being

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shown by a whole lot of people an examination of

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their history by The New York Times has found no

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evidence implicating mister Trump in mister Epstein's abuse and trafficking

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of miners. Just like I've been telling you, we don't

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have that evidence. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't exist,

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but what I'm saying is that we've never seen it.

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There's no public documentation of anything like that occurring. But

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that's what they want you to focus on. I'm not

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going to focus on what they want. I'm going to

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focus on the fact that this is a cover up,

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and the fact that this was being covered up at all,

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for any instance, for any reason, is a gigantic crime

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in itself. So that's what needs to be focused on.

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And I've told you a million times, don't go after

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the shiny object, don't go after you know al Capone's

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murder spree. Go after his tax records. That's how you're

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going to get him. And the same goes for this situation.

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If we want true accountability, we have to be willing

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to kick in every single door. But the two men's

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relationship was both far closer and far more complex than

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the President now admits. Beginning in the late nineteen eighties,

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the two men forged the bond intense enough to leave

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others who knew them with the impression that they were

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each other as close as friends. The Times found mister

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Epstein was then a little known financier who cultivated mystery

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around the scope and source of his self made wealth.

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Mister Trump, six years older, was a real estate scion

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who relished publicity and exaggerated his successes. Neither man drank

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or did drugs. They pursued women in a game of

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ego and dominance. Female bodies were the currency. And if

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we're being honest, that whole entire era was filled with

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a bunch of degenerates, a whole bunch of hedonistic degenerates,

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especially in the financial sector. So there's no doubt that

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there was a bunch of debauchery taking place, and I

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have no doubt that Donald Trump was smack in the

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middle of it. Over nearly two decades, as mister Trump

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cut a swathe through the party circuits of New York

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and Florida, mister Epstein was perhaps his most reliable wingman.

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During the nineties and early two thousands, they prowled mister

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Epstein's Manhattan mansion and mister Trump's Plaza Hotel, at least

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one of Trump's Atlantic City casinos, and both of their

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Palm Beach homes. They visited each other's offices and spoke

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often by phone, according to other former Epstein employees and

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women who spent time in his homes and look, Maria

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Farmer told us all about it, about the relationship between

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Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and she said the same thing.

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She didn't see anything that was criminal at the time,

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but there's no doubt that the nexus and that relationship existed,

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and the fact that people still want to deny it's

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baffle to me. With other men, mister Apstein might discuss tax, shelters,

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international affairs, or neuroscience. With mister Trump, he talked about sex.

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I just think it was, you know, trophy hunting. Stacy Williams,

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who rose to fame as a star of the Sports

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Illustrated Swimsuit edition during the nineties, set in an interview

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with The Times. In social media posts and interviews with

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news outlets in recent years, miss Williams has described how

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Trump groped her in nineteen ninety three at Trump Tower

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while mister Apstein, whom she was then dating, watched. I

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think Jeffrey liked that he had the sports illustrated model

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who had this name, and that Trump was pursuing me.

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She said. Mister Trump has denied her account. Of course

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he has. Has he ever admitted anything to shed light

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on their friendship. The Times interviewed more than thirty former

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Epstein employees, victims of his abuse, and others who crossed

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paths with the two men over the years. The Times

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also obtained new documents that illuminate their relationship, and scoured

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core documents and other public records. Many of the people

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interviewed by The Times asked to share their stories anonymously,

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saying they feared for their safety at the hands of

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supporters of mister Trump, a president who has deployed the

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might of the federal government to target and punish his

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political opponents. And we've seen it time and time again.

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Donald Trump has no problem going after people, and I

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wouldn't have any doubt of him going after the survivors

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if it served as purpose. I mean, hell, even myself.

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I'm making sure that all my shit's on the up

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and up, my tax returns are right. Everything. The last

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thing you want to do is give somebody like Donald

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Trump and the federal government any inroads to give you

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a colonoscopy. Some Epstein victims have already received death threats

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for demanding a full accounting of the government's investigation, according

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to a statement released by more than two dozen of

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them last month. Yo, let me just go on the record.

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If you're threatening survivors, you're a bitch assma, You are

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a straight up coward, a clown, and your parents should

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be slapped in the face for birthing you. Who attacks survivors?

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Bro in what defense of Donald Trump's bitch ass who

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doesn't care about you one single bit, who's ready to

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send your kids off to war in Venezuela. Oh yeah,

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that's the guy that you should be going crazy over.

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That's the guy you should be threatening people for. And

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if that's you, my advice is this, wake the fuck

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up before you get woke up. Over the years, mister

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Epstein or his partner Glenn Maxwell, introduced at least six

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women who have accused them of grooming or abuse to

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mister Trump. According to interviews, core testimony, and other records.

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One was a miner at the time. None of accused

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mister Trump himself of inappropriate behavior, and it's important to

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point that out. I think it's very important to point

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that out. People are getting way ahead of themselves saying

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Trump was part of the actual trafficking, etc. You gotta

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be careful because what you do is you give the

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other side, the side of the babler's the side of

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the protector's ammunition. Oh look, it's all about Trump. It's

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all about this, all about that. Now. I'm not saying

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to shy away from actual evidence, lean into that shit,

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but shy away from the nonsense. Shy away from the

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things that are going to hurt the overall investigation, because

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at the end of the day, none of that stuff

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even matters. Do you think the survivors care about that? Bs,

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What do you think they care about this? Moving forward

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and full transparency. One of the women, who has never

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spoken publicly about the experience, told The Times that mister

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Epstein had coerced her into attending four parties at mister

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Epstein's home. Mister Trump attended all four, the woman said.

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At two of them, she said, mister Epstein directed her

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to have sex with other male guests. So, according to

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that woman's account, Donald Trump was at this house when

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she was being trafficked. To other people. Now, is that

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a crime, I don't know. Certainly a gray area, certainly

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not the kind of place that you want to find

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the president inhabiting, and certainly not morally acceptable, no matter

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how you chop it. In an email among those released

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by Congress in November, mister Epstein boasted that he gave

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mister Trump a twenty year old woman whom mister Epstein

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dated in the nineties. During a flight together in the

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early nineteen nineties, mister Trump came on to another Epstein

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employee traveling with them, telling her that he could have

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anyone he wanted. According to a different Epstein worker who

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learned of the incident, a separate Epstein employee from the

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era recalled that mister Trump would occasionally send over modeling

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cards for mister Epstein to peruse, like a menu. And

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there's a lot of people that have cooperated that. We've

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heard that from many, many sources. It's not just the

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New York Times that's blowing that out of the water.

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We've heard that previously. Mister Epstein, who claimed he required

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orgasms three times a day, exploited or abused hundreds of

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women and girls before dying in what was ruled a

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suicide thousands. You would think that all this investigation that

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The New York Times did, they know the truth thousands

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of women And that's not hyperbole. I'm talking about globally, right,

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not just America. I'm talking about South America, Central America, Europe, Asia,

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and wherever the fuck else this egg dict Wirdo ended

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up going. If you think this dude wasn't abusing people

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everywhere he went, you're crazy. Mister Trump does not stand

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accused of sexually abusing a minor, but over the course

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of his friendship with mister Epstein and beyond, he left

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a trail of alleged abuse and assault, many details of

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which began to surface publicly during his successful twenty sixteen

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presidential run. Close to twenty women have publicly accused mister

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Trump of groping, forcibly kissing, or sexually assaulting them, behavior

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that he once bragged he could get away with because

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of his celebrity, but later denied ever engaging in. In

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twenty twenty three, the writer E. Gene Carroll one of

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five million dollars civil judgment against mister Trump for sexual

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abuse and defamation. So look, those are the facts, right,

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You can dispute the case. You can dispute what the

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jury or judge found, but that's on the record, man.

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And all these other accounts. We have to understand that

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there is an environment, a political environment, and you have

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to be very cautious about what you're accepting and what

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you're not accepting. But to think that there wasn't any

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evidence whatsoever from any of those women, that's just not true. Now.

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Of course, that doesn't make Donald Trump guilty of the

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kind of crimes Epstein was involved in, but it certainly

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makes him a fellow traveler. In response to a detailed

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list of questions from the Times, the White House Press

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Secretary Carolyn Levitt issued a statement, this fake news story,

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which is not worth the paper that it's printed on,

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is just another stale regurgitation of decades old false allegations

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against President Trump. The truth will remain the same no

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matter how many times The New York Times tries to

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change it. President Trump did nothing wrong, and he kick

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Jeffrey Epstein out of mar A Lago for being a creep. Well, yeah,

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but not until you let Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell

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recruit Virginia to go and be abused let's not forget

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that part, Carolyn Levitt. And again, this is where people

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are missing the boat. Quit focusing on what Epstein and

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Trump might have been doing together. We don't have the

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evidence of that. You know, we have evidence of a

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fucking cover up. Focus on that. And it's no different

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than during that whole Russiagate nonsense. I told everybody, if

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you really wanted to find something of substance, you need

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to go after the concrete companies that Trump was in

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business with at the time, and that's because they were

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all run by the mafia. But instead everybody wanted to

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chase salacious bullshit, you know, the pe on the bed story,

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the salacious stuff that you can't prove. And I think

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a lot of people are falling into that same trap

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here because there is obviously a cover up under away,

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and I think that if we continue to focus on that,

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it's going to become apparent to anybody who's paying attention

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that that's exactly what's going on. And I think that

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if people want to see real change here, they want

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to see real action, they want to see people held accountable,

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will focus on the cover up. It's unclear what new

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information may emerge under the new law passed by Congress.

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The statute allows the Trump administration to withhold records that

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identify victims, including images of child sexual abuse, or documents

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that are otherwise classified. His appointees can also hold back

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records that could jeopardize an active federal investigation, such as

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a new inquiry ordered by mister Trump into Democrats associated

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with mister Epstein. In a statement in late November, a

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group of Epstein accusers wrote, other than redacting victim names,

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we want the files disclosed, and I've heard that directly

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from survivors themselves. That's what they want. They want complete

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transparency here. They want the files to be released, and

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they want accountability. Is that too much to ask, especially

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after you've been abused and discarded the way these women

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have been for all these years. They're just asking for

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a fair shake, And if any anybody's ever deserved a

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little bit of fairness, it's these women. Mister Trump is

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denied knowing of mister Epstein's abuse of underage girls, but

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in a trash of emails or released in November, mister

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Epstein suggested otherwise. In a twenty nineteen message to the

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journalist Michael Wolfe, he wrote of mister Trump. Of course

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he knew about the girls, as he asked Elane to stop.

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The full context of mister Epstein's remark is unclear. In

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a twenty ten deposition, mister Epstein was asked if he

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had ever socialized with mister Trump with girls under eighteen,

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as he did more than three dozen times. During the deposition,

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mister Epstein invoked his constitutional right not to answer. Though

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I'd like to answer that question at least today, I'm

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going to have to assert my fifth, sixth and fourteenth

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Amendment rights, sir, he replied. All right, folks, we're going

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to wrap up episode one right here, and in the

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next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.

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All of the information that goes with this episode can

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be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and

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welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,

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we're going to pick up where we left off with

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the New York Times article about the relationship between Donald

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Trump and Jeffrey Epstein once again. The authors of this

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article are Nicholas Confessor and Julie Tait. Sex talk and

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office hours. Sometimes the phone would ring in mister Trump's

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office at Trump Tower. The caller, the mysterious Jeffrey, as

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mister Trump described him in a two thousand and four

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book of business advice, never gave a last name, nor

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did he need to, mister Trump wrote, a few times

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a week, the phone would ring in mister Epstein's office

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in the Villard Houses on Madison Avenue. Mister Trump would

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be on the line. On one occasion, recalled an Epstein

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assistant from the mid nineties, Mister Trump refused to give

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any name at all. The White House spokeswoman declined to

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say whether mister Trump book was referring to a different Jeffrey,

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but the two talked at least three times a week

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during the mid to late nineties, according to a second

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Epstein assistant from the period. The first assistant, who often

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worked late, recalled that sometimes that when the office emptied out,

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mister Epstein would check to see that she was at

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her desk and put mister Trump on speaker. Mister Trump,

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she said, seemed to enjoy regalling mister Epstein with tales

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of his sexual exploits, and mister Epstein seemed to delight

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and how uncomfortable it made her to overhear them. And

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that's a power play, for sure, that's what people do.

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Right I'm on the phone with this guy, let me

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put it on speaker so I can flex and show

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exactly the kind of power that me and my buddies

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have over women. And it's something that Epstein did quite

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a bit. She remembered one call in the mid nineties

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on which the two men discussed how much pubic hair

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a particular woman had and whether there was enough for

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mister Epstein to floss his teeth with. Like, what, hold on,

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wait a minute, talking about floss in your teeth with

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pubic hair? You sick, disgusting piece of garbage. What sort

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of degenerate mind even thinks up something like that? Have

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you ever been sitting around saying to yourself, you know what,

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I bet I could lost my teeth with someone's pubic hair.

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The whole last thing is just weird and disgusting. On another,

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mister Trump told mister Epstein about having sex with another

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woman on a pool table. The former assistant said, and look,

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I'm not going to sit here and tell you that

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any of this is criminal. We don't know, we have

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no idea. But it's the kind of conversations that in

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the past would have sunk somebody if they were president.

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So have we fallen that far as a society where

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this kind of thing is just okay because it's your guy.

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That is some wild shit. Because I promise you right now,

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if this was Joe Biden who had this conversation with

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Jeffrey Epstein, we would have never heard the end of it.

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The same people that told us about Tom Hanks and

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Adreno Chrome would have been talking about reptilians and you

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name it. But now those same people are making excuses

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for this kind of behavior from Donald Trump. None of

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it's okay and all of it's disgusting. A woman known

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in court records as Jane Doe, who mister Epstein traffic

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during the mid nineties beginning in her early years, testified

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in miss Maxwell's criminal trial in twenty twenty one that

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Epstein often put famous friends on speakerphone in front of

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other people. And that's what I was talking about previously.

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That's something that Jeffrey Epstein did quite a bit. According

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to a lot of reports, the cause with mister Trump

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continued through the later years of the men's friendship. According

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to a third former employee who worked for mister Epstein

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on and off through most of the two thousands, and

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also recalled them putting mister Trump on speaker. They would

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talk about pageants or modeling shows for which countries women

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were in vogue in the fashion world. Sometimes, the third

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employee said, mister Trump went on so long that mister Epstein,

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whose attention span was famously short, would leave the room

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while his friend was still talking. That certainly tracks certainly

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the kind of thing that Epstein did. And if you

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think that Jeffrey Epstein was impressed by Donald Trump, you're crazy.

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At this point, Jeffrey Epstein was more powerful than Donald Trump.

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Keep that in mind. Trump might have had a few bucks,

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but he wasn't protected like Jeffrey Epstein was. Maria Farmer,

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an artist who said that she was sexually assaulted by

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miss Maxwell and mister Epstein during the mid nineteen nineties,

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till the Times in twenty nineteen that mister Epstein had

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one summoned her to meet mister Trump at the Villard

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House's office. Mister Trump leered at her, she said, before

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mister Epstein informed him that she is not for you.

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And I remember Maria telling me that directly, and she

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also said it in the interview that I did with

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her both times. So there's no doubt in my mind

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that Trump was around quite a bit. I think the

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only thing that we don't know now for sure is

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how deep it ran, and if Trump was involved in

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any kind of criminal behavior, well other than the cover up,

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because that's certainly happening. I don't even think that's a debate.

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This summer, a spokesman from mister Trump denied that the

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president had ever set foot in mister Epstein's office, the

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first former assistant, though well call mister Trump meeting there

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briefly with mister Epstein at least several times during the

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mid nineties. Her account was supported by Mark Epstein, mister

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Epstein's brother, who said that Jeffrey had told him that

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mister Trump visited very frequently. And Mark Epstein has been

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adamant about that for years now. He's talked about how

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Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were very close. And it's

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not just Mark Epstein saying it. We have a lot

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of people who have come forward now and who have

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corroborated the story. He was at the office all the

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time back then, mister Epstein said in an interview with

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the Times Daily. Handwritten notes kept by the first former

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assistant and reviewed by the Times suggests that mister Trump

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was a regular presence in mister Epstein's life. The notes,

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spanning several months in the late nineteen ninety four, have

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not been previously reported. Well, that's interesting, and I'm guessing

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they're talking about Leslie Groff here? Is that who they interviewed?

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Who else could it be? Some pages contain instructions to

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call mister Trump or return his call. One note reminded

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the assistant to call mister Trump's office to see if

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he was flying to Florida tomorrow. Another recorded that a

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package would be arriving with an invitation tomorrow lago events.

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On one pager instructions about invitations for an upcoming party.

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Mister Trump was to be invited, but only if his

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ex wife, Havanna, with whom miss Maxwell was friendly, declined.

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Their relationship was riddled with undertones of envy and disdain.

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Mister Epstein seemed to hold a low opinion of his

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friend's business acumen, according to the former employees and others

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who knew him, Well, that's par for the course. Epstein

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didn't have friends. He had people that he could use

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and climb on, and if Trump was dumb enough to

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think he was friends with Epstein, more's the pity. On

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one occasion around two thousand and one, the third former

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00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,160
employee said mister Epstein was annoyed after mister Trump called him.

475
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,319
He later told the employee that mister Trump was short

476
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,279
on cash and wanted a ride on mister Epstein's plane. Well,

477
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,799
Trump certainly was going through some money problems back in

478
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,960
the day when everything failed up in Atlantic City, you know,

479
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,480
when people were pressing for their debts to be repaid.

480
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,160
Trump certainly was in a crunch. Now, did he have

481
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,519
any kind of business with Epstein as far as financial,

482
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,880
I don't know, but it seems likely. And that's another

483
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,920
reason that I think Trump is so worried about the

484
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,559
files coming out. He knows that he might be exposed

485
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:38,039
by his financial dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. During the early

486
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,519
years of their friendship, mister Trump was racing toward a

487
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,240
reckoning over the billions of dollars he had borrowed to

488
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:48,279
assemble his struggling empire, including casinos, hotels, an airline, and

489
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,519
a yacht. According to former Epstein employees, mister Trump seemed

490
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,720
attracted to the financier's wealth and business network, especially because

491
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,319
Trump couldn't get loans at the time. Nobody was going

492
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,799
to offer him money. So where's he going to get

493
00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:04,559
that money? You go to a guy like Jeffrey fucking Epstein.

494
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:07,279
You want to talk about a middleman, You want to

495
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,319
talk about somebody that has access to billions, You're looking

496
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:18,119
at him. It's unclear whether mister Epstein, who ostensibly specialized

497
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480
in offering tax and estate planning for wealthy clients, helped

498
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,200
mister Trump navigate his financial problems. But in his twenty

499
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,359
twenty memoir of representing Epstein victims relentless pursuit, the Florida

500
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,559
lawyer Bradley J. Edwards wrote that mister Epstein had claimed

501
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,839
to some young women that he had bailed his friend

502
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,759
out of bankruptcy. Boys and girls, that is bad news

503
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:43,319
for Donald Trump if that's the case. Was that money declared,

504
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,720
did he pay taxes on it? Where did that money originate?

505
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,920
Did it originate from a place of criminality? All of

506
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,240
these things you're going to have to be explored. Even

507
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:57,799
as he dismissed mister Trump's stillmaking mister Epstein, who could

508
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,880
be socially awkward at other people's part parties, seemed to

509
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,559
admire his friend's brash confidence and access to higher realms

510
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,480
of nightlife and celebrity. He frequently mentioned his friendship with

511
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:12,119
mister Trump, according to several accusers, telling one he had

512
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,960
a bedroom reserved at Mar A Lago. Take that with

513
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,839
a grain of salt. Epstein was certainly a liar, So

514
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,759
we have to take things that he said with a

515
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,799
grain of salt. And there's no doubt about that. Does

516
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:26,160
that mean everything he said was bullshit? No? And how

517
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,240
do we know, Well, we have to use evidence to

518
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,240
back up the comments he's making. Even after they fell out,

519
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,440
mister Epstein kept a frame photo of himself with mister

520
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,799
Trump and his future third wife, Malanya on a credenza

521
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,799
in his upper east side dining room. And you have

522
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:43,240
to understand that the pictures on the walls at Epstein's

523
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,759
house was like a menagerie, right. That was his collection

524
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,720
of people that he felt he had power over. I mean,

525
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,720
do we have to talk about Bill Clinton in the

526
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,720
blue dress? Well, you think Epstein just did that out

527
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:58,000
of the blue? Does the power play, folks? Just like

528
00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:02,559
the picture of Trump on this credenza the party circuit.

529
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,720
A few years into mister Trump's friendship with mister Epstein,

530
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:11,440
Avonna Trump filed for divorce. Mister Trump's affair with Marlon Maples,

531
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,000
a former pageant contestant, was running hot and cold. In

532
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,039
ninety two, he invited NBC Tomorrow Lago to shoot a

533
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,160
video for a feature about his post divorce life on

534
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,599
the talk show A Closer Look. I love beautiful women,

535
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,440
I love going out with beautiful women, and I love

536
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,079
women in general, he said in the footage, And look

537
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,920
nothing wrong with that. Hell, I love beautiful women, I

538
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,839
love going out with beautiful women, I love being around them,

539
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,480
and I'm sure that most heterosexual meles out there feel

540
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,519
the same way. But at the same time, I don't

541
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,400
look at women as a piece of meat or something

542
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,839
to be conquered. They're my equals, my peers, my friends,

543
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,519
my sister, my wife, whatever. But these sons of bitches,

544
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:53,920
they have a whole different outlook on life, and they

545
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,000
look at people as commodities as opposed to people. So

546
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:00,559
there's nothing wrong with liking beautiful women wanting to be

547
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:05,119
around them. There's something completely and utterly wrong with abusing them.

548
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,279
The cameras captured him and mister Epstein at the Palm

549
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:12,240
Beach estate, surrounded by cheerleaders from the Miami Dolphins and

550
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,839
Buffalo Bills. In the video, mister Trump grabs a smiling

551
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,240
woman from the rear and pass her on the behind.

552
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,400
In another clip, he appears to point toward women on

553
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,960
the dance floor, and mister Epstein doubles over, laughing at

554
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,799
something his friend whispered. Can you imagine what kind of

555
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,480
vile nonsense these two guys were talking about. In January

556
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,079
of ninety three, mister Trump held another party at mar

557
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,640
A Lago, this one to kick off a beauty pageant

558
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,480
he was bringing to Atlantic City with two business partners,

559
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,599
George Harrainy and Jill Harth. Two dozen or so potential

560
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,519
contestants were flown in to meet mister Trump. The only

561
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,960
other guest at the party, mister Horny told The Times

562
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,240
in twenty nineteen, was mister Epstein. But remember, folks, they

563
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,200
weren't that close right there, weren't friends, hardly knew the guide,

564
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,920
never saw him, certainly never hung out with them. And

565
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480
this is what I'm talking about, with Trump lying to

566
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,799
everybody's face. You can say that you didn't do anything wrong.

567
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
You can say you didn't do anything criminal, but you

568
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,160
can't try and recreate history. We all know what happened.

569
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,680
We all know that you guys were close, and it's

570
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,880
all documented. So if you're lying about that, what else

571
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,759
are you lying about? During dinner that night, miss Heart

572
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,759
alleged in a ninety seven lawsuit, mister Trump groped her

573
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,240
under the table, then cornered her in a bedroom normally

574
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,119
used by his daughter Yvanka, and forcibly kissed, fondled, and

575
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,039
restrained her from leaving. And that lawsuit was filed in

576
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,599
ninety seven, long before Trump was quote unquote a target

577
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:43,160
of a Democrat hoax. So what's the answer to that?

578
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,519
Just gonna write it off, No big deal. These kinds

579
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:52,440
of things happen. Well, if you're a scumbag, maybe later

580
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,680
in the pre dawn hours, she alleged in the suit,

581
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,039
mister Trump also sneaked into a bedroom being used by

582
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,920
a twenty two year old contestant, I'm onto her bed uninvited.

583
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:05,480
He groped her too, according to the suit. Mister Trump

584
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,359
has denied the allegations by Miss Harth, who declined to

585
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,599
comment the pageant partnership later fizzled, leading mister Horney to

586
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,039
separately sue mister Trump in ninety five for breach of contract.

587
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,079
Miss Harth said she withdrew her subsequent harassment lawsuit as

588
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:23,319
a condition for settling the contract dispute. She went on

589
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,559
to briefly date mister Trump. That whole situation's odd. I

590
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:29,799
don't know enough about that to break it down, but

591
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960
we have to keep in mind there are people out

592
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,319
there that are looking for a bag, people that are

593
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,759
going to make all kinds of crazy allegations because they

594
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,680
know they're going to get paid. And I'm not saying

595
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,119
that's what happened with Miss Harth, but we always have

596
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,319
to be cognizant of that. We have to be aware

597
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:49,039
that it happens. According to mister Epstein, he and mister

598
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,720
Trump partied at his house too. In a twenty fifteen

599
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,079
email exchange with Landon Thomas Junior, then a Times reporter,

600
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,240
he recounted a moment when mister Trump was so focused

601
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,759
on young women swimming in his pool that he walked

602
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:05,079
into a glass door. Mister Epstein also referred to the

603
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,640
twenty two year old contestant from that night in ninety three,

604
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,160
indicating she had pictures of Donald and girls in bikinis

605
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,079
in my kitchen and providing her email address. The emails,

606
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:20,200
among those released by Congress last month, came as mister

607
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,599
Trump led in the polls for the Republican presidential nomination.

608
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,279
Mister Thomas, who had once pitched mister Epstein on a

609
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,640
sympathetic profile, said he was being approached by people who

610
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,119
thought he had juicy info on you and Trump. It's

611
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,599
unclear whether the photos of mister Epstein referenced exist. The

612
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:42,039
former contestant cannot be reached for comment. The Times is

613
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,200
withholding her name because she has publicly not come forward

614
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,279
with her own account of the events. Mister Thomas has

615
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,279
said he never received any photographs. He left The Times

616
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,799
in twenty nineteen after disclosing that he had solicited a

617
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,480
charitable contribution from mister Epstein. That's a whole less other

618
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,599
can of worms. Another fucking journalist on Epstein's dime. Huh,

619
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:07,079
No wonder the story never got out. In November of

620
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,639
nineteen ninety three, mister Trump's chosen pageant contestants flew in

621
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,079
from around the world for a week of events at

622
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,599
his properties in New York. And Atlantic City. At one point,

623
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,559
Miss Harth said in her lawsuit, mister Trump demanded that

624
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,159
she provide him with access to a seventeen year old

625
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,599
check contestant. The suit does not say if she complied

626
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,320
or if mister Trump met the contestant. Towards the end

627
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,159
of the week, the contestants joined mister Trump for a

628
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,400
press luncheon at the Plaza. One contestant, Beatrice coll Then,

629
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,800
a bank employee and part time model from Switzerland, said

630
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,440
in an interview with The Times that during the event,

631
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,880
one of mister Trump's employees asked her to meet him

632
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,159
privately in a sweet upstairs. Almost as soon as she arrived,

633
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,760
Miss Coole said, mister Trump began groping her, kissing her

634
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,599
and trying to lift her dress. I yelled, I screamed,

635
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,960
I pushed him. She said. He didn't want to give

636
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,840
up like you do? You do with that? Is everybody

637
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,239
just lying because they want to lie about Trump? Is

638
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,920
that really what you believe? At some point you have

639
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,920
to ask yourself how come all these people are making

640
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,480
these allegations if they're not true. She said that she

641
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,199
was withholding some of the details of what happened because

642
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,559
she had been subject to anonymous threats. Miss Coole first

643
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,039
described aspects of the episode to the Deli Mel last year.

644
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,239
A friend, Pascal Clavez, told The Times that Miss Coole

645
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,199
recounted the episode at the Plaza to him around two

646
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,400
thousand and four. Miss Coole also provided The Times with

647
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:38,519
pictures of documents corroborating her participation in the pageant and

648
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,280
of herself with mister Trump. Before the private meeting, she

649
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,000
was also approached by mister Epstein. I'm Jeffrey, I'm Don's

650
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,480
best friend, she recalled him, saying she was confused at first.

651
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,400
Miss Cole said, because she didn't seem to be affiliated

652
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,079
with the pageant, she didn't understand why he had been

653
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:58,119
allowed into the press luncheon. He said, Don likes you

654
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,360
very much and that there her organizing parties at mar

655
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,519
A Lago and he would love for you to join.

656
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,760
Miss Coole said he would take care of her, her flights,

657
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,079
her hotel. You just need to pack and come to

658
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,119
the party at mar A Lago, she recalled him, saying,

659
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,960
when Miss Cold demurred, mister Epstein tried other tactics, going

660
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,800
on about the wealth he kept in Swiss Banks, then

661
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,280
about famous friends with whom he could arrange meetings. Epstein

662
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,639
knew exactly what he was doing. She said, he had

663
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,880
hunting methods. It was a routine. The first to mister

664
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,199
Epstein's former assistants interviewed by The Times, said that on

665
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,840
dozens of occasions in the mid nineties, the financier Pedophile

666
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:39,000
instructed her to call a pageant winner from somewhere in

667
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,480
the world and invited her to visit him in Florida.

668
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,599
His standing offer, the assistant said, was an all expense

669
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:48,480
paid trip and five thousand dollars in cash to go

670
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:53,159
shopping on Worth Avenue, Palm Beach, Fame shopping destination. In

671
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:56,440
December of ninety three, not long after the pageant, mister

672
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Trump married Miss Maples at the Plaza photo show. Mister

673
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:04,280
Rapstein in attendance, but the parties continued. All right, folks,

674
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,519
we're gonna wrap up episode two right there, and in

675
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,199
the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off.

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All of the information that goes with this episode can

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be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and

678
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:19,559
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,

679
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:21,920
we're picking up where we left off with the new

680
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,039
York Times article talking about the relationship between Donald Trump

681
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,599
and Jeffrey Epstein once again. This article was authored by

682
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:37,199
Nicholas Confessor and Julie Tait Dress Sexy. In the early

683
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,239
two thousands, guests mingled in the library or dining room

684
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,559
of mister Epstein's Upper East Side mansion as their host

685
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:47,400
held court. The women were beautiful and numerous, The men

686
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,880
were older and few. Occasionally, one of the women would

687
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,079
head toward the bedrooms, one of the men would shortly follow.

688
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,440
But wait, I thought that there was no trafficking going

689
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,840
on here. I'm sure that all these women, some of

690
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:05,119
them underage, doing it willingly, right. Right. One woman, then

691
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,719
a model and college student in her early twenties living

692
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,000
in Manhattan, said she attended four parties at the mansion.

693
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,800
She can't recall the names of most of the men

694
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,920
she met at the gatherings, not even those mister Epstein

695
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,360
directed her to take care of. At two of them

696
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,719
recruited by Miss Maxwell and then abused by mister Epstein.

697
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,719
She buried her shame and kept their secrets for years,

698
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,000
but mister Trump's presence stood out. She told The Times

699
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,360
he was a household name. Someone mister Epstein often bragged

700
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,639
about to the women around him, yet also someone he

701
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,639
seemed to compete with. It was like a pissing contest

702
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,679
who had the most women, she recalled. She requested anonymity

703
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,159
to describe her experiences in detail, saying she feared for

704
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,159
her family safety after mister Trump said some of his

705
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,599
critics could be executed for sedition. Yo, if that's the case,

706
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,159
I'm fucked. If they ever set up the guillotines your

707
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:01,159
boys definitely getting his head chopped off. To people in

708
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,159
the modeling business, men like mister Trump and mister Epstein

709
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,159
were a familiar part of the scene. Wealthy men who

710
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,519
use their money, clout, and personal connections in fashion to

711
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,199
meet the young women who worked in the industry. Two

712
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,480
days a week, you'd be at a model dinner at

713
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,079
a restaurant, said Heather Braden, a model and filmmaker, and

714
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,280
there'd be these men we didn't know. Miss Braden, who

715
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,280
now lives in Utah, said she often saw mister Trump

716
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,320
and mister Epstein at the same parties or dinners during

717
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,400
the nineties in New York and South Florida, including at

718
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,599
Mar a Lago, which mister Trump converted to a member's

719
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,280
club in nineteen ninety five, and do all these people

720
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,159
have motivations to lie all these people that are coming forward.

721
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,159
It doesn't make sense, and I highly doubt that these

722
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:47,639
people are lying now. Again, it doesn't prove criminality, but

723
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,400
it certainly strengthens the bonds. And it really puts into

724
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,039
perspective why Donald Trump is so worried about the files

725
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,639
being released and information about his time with Jeffrey Epstein

726
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,559
becoming public. Even if there is no criminal acts, just

727
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:05,159
his stuff alone is enough to tarnish you. Donald Trump

728
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,320
knows that, and that's why it took people to drag

729
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,320
them kicking and screaming to have these files unsealed. If

730
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,719
there was nothing damaging or something that exonerated them, forget it.

731
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,559
We would have had them the day he got elected,

732
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,239
you know, like he promised to do while he was

733
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,360
on the campaign trail. That would have been nice, huh.

734
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,159
But I said it then and I'll say it again.

735
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,760
There was never a chance that Trump was gonna release

736
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,599
the documents because he knew what was in them. Each

737
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:31,119
man cultivated relationships that in turn put them in proximity

738
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,880
to young women in the industry. Mister Epstein exploited his

739
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,320
close relationship with Les Wexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret,

740
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:42,599
sometimes telling women he could get them meetings or bookings.

741
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,320
Photographers or camera crews captured mister Epstein and mister Trump

742
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,480
together at Victoria's Secret events in ninety seven and ninety nine.

743
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:53,679
And not only that, but Les Wexner was way more

744
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:56,960
involved than anybody likes to let on. I urge you

745
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,360
all to listen to what Maria Farmer had to say

746
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:03,239
about Les Wexner, and also listened to what Virginia said.

747
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,639
Wexner is not some peripheral character here. He was a

748
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,639
central component to Jeffrey Epstein's operation for a very long time.

749
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,639
And yes, he's been credibly accused of taking part in

750
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,719
the abuse himself. So I would think that less Wexner

751
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,280
would be talked about a little bit more. Everybody talks

752
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,840
about they want names, names, names, Well, there's a name

753
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000
for you. What have you done with it? Oh that's right,

754
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,719
not a damn thing. All these people out here talking

755
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,119
about we want names. Why don't the survivors give us names? Well,

756
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:35,000
because when they did name people, nobody did shit about it,

757
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,159
and then they got sued, they got threatened, they had

758
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:41,480
their lives upended. So guess what, here's a novel idea.

759
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,920
Why isn't the DOJ name names you know, do their

760
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,880
job mister Trump, but friend died the Hawaiian Tropic founder

761
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,800
Ron Rice, who told the Boston Globe that he would

762
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,000
send models and pageant contestants to mar A Lago for

763
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:58,119
parties at mister Trump's request. And John Casablancis, the founder

764
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,480
of Elite Model Management, who is Looking of the Year

765
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,519
contest Mister Trump sponsored and helped judge in the early

766
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,639
nineteen nineties. For Mari Lago gatherings, groups of models were

767
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:11,199
sometimes busted in from Miami, often with the help of

768
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,920
mister Trump's friend Jason Binn, co founder of the society

769
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,840
magazine Ocean Drive. Mister Binn did not return calls an

770
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,719
email seeking comment. Of course, not last thing he wants

771
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,800
to do is out Trump right. He knows what the

772
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,719
results are if he does that. Tina Davis, who work

773
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,280
with Ford Models in the mid nineties, said in an

774
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,000
interview that her Ford booker instructed her to get dressed

775
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,800
up and attend a party at Mara A Lago in

776
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,920
late ninety four, just fourteen and new to Miami, she

777
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,440
was told to dress sexy. According to her mother, Sandra Coleman,

778
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,719
who had accompanied her to Florida, eight or nine other

779
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,599
models came along on the bus. All the girls were

780
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,719
really young, Miss Coleman were called in an interview, some

781
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,599
of them could have been in training bras like, come on,

782
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,639
why are those girls going anywhere without supervision? Why are

783
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:07,159
those girls going to these modeling events? And why are

784
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,719
people like Donald Trump and the rest of these scumbags

785
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,000
okay with it. When they arrived at Mar A Lago,

786
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:14,639
Miss Coleman said that her daughter was promptly handed a

787
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,039
glass of champagne. She took it away, but waiters kept

788
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,920
offering more. Each time one of the middle aged men

789
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,920
at the party approached her daughter, Miss Coleman would walk

790
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,800
over and introduce herself as Davis's mother. During a trip

791
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,440
to the bathroom, they ran into mister Trump's new wife,

792
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:33,480
whom they had met earlier. Miss Maples clasped her hands.

793
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,639
Miss Coleman recalled and looked her in the eye. Whatever

794
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,519
you do, do, not let her around any of these men,

795
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,719
and especially my husband, she told Miss Coleman, protect her. Well,

796
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,800
that's pretty fucking scary. Huh. Imagine somebody said that to you,

797
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,800
somebody's wife. That's when I'd be hitting the eject button

798
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,679
and taking my kid directly home. Well, i'd never have

799
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,119
my kid at one of these things anyway. But that's

800
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,320
neither here nor there. But the second I heard that shit,

801
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,719
see you later, we're out. Miss Maples denied making the comment.

802
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,519
I would always protect young women in any way I could,

803
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,880
she said, but I'm sure I didn't specifically say that

804
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,760
about my daughter's father. Mister Epstein was a frequent guest

805
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,280
at mar Lago parties. A woman who said mister Epstein

806
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,920
trafficked her in the late nineties and early two thousands

807
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,480
were called attending at least a half dozen of the

808
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,880
parties beginning when she was seventeen and modeling during the

809
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,719
winter fashion season in Florida. Mister Epstein showed up at

810
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,320
several of them too. He always seemed to know about

811
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,320
events happening at Mar A Lago, she said, even when

812
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,360
he didn't attend, and he was always curious about her experiences.

813
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,360
The invitations typically came from mister Binn and Ocean Drive,

814
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,079
bidding the models to be Donald Trump's guests at Mar

815
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:48,760
A Lago. According to one invitation she shared with The Times,

816
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,159
the parties were open bar and no one checked IDs.

817
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,800
She said, mister Trump was always all over them, she recalled,

818
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,320
So nobody was checking id's and it was an open

819
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,679
bar and all these little girls there. That sounds like

820
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,920
a fucking recipe for disaster. No. The woman provided a

821
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,440
picture of herself and a friend with mister Trump at

822
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,199
mar A Lago. She said she didn't remember whether she

823
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,920
was still seventeen at the time of the picture. She

824
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,840
has not previously spoken publicly about the meeting with the

825
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,400
future president, and asked for anonymity because she feared retaliation

826
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,719
from him or his supporters. Again, people are scared of that.

827
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Anybody engaging in that behavior is a coward. Anyone attacking

828
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,519
these women for telling their story is a complete and

829
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,920
utter piece of shit. During the nineties, both mister Epstein

830
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,239
and mister Trump also forged ties with an up and

831
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,880
coming modeling agency known as Next and its co founder

832
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,760
of Faith Kids, who would become one of the industry's

833
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,199
major figures. Mister Epstein sometimes seen around Next office meetings,

834
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,280
According to Miss Braden, who was represented by an agency

835
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:57,480
that merged with Next in the early nineteen nineties. After

836
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:01,239
mister Epstein's death, several former employees told The Daily Beast

837
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,519
that they had seen mister Epstein around the NEXT offices

838
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,320
or taken calls from him after he was arrested in

839
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,440
Florida for soliciting underage girls. He also donated money to

840
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,880
a charity funded and founded by Miss Kates. Mister Trump

841
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,079
attended Next parties in New York, according to a former

842
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,079
model who was represented by the agency in the late

843
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,280
nineties and said she once found herself seated near mister

844
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,719
Trump at the agency's holiday dinner. The agency also sometimes

845
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,039
sent models to parties at mar A Lago. Zoe Brock,

846
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,760
a New Zealand model who worked for Next in Miami,

847
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,039
said she was pressured by the agency to attend one

848
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,719
of mister Trump's parties in ninety eight when she was

849
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,239
twenty four. Once she balked, a representative of the agency

850
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,320
offered to pay her a few hundred dollars to attend.

851
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,960
Not long after, she said, she boarded a bus with

852
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,000
twenty or so other models at mar A Lago. Each

853
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:59,280
woman was given a red and white striped wristband advertising them.

854
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Miss Brock felt as meet none of the other guests,

855
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:06,199
chiefly men in tuxedos, were the wristbands. The women were

856
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,960
made to line up and meet mister Trump. Yeah, very

857
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,280
normal behavior. Okay, all you women line up, you have

858
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,239
to meet me. All you little fourteen year old girls

859
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,519
come over and say hi to Daddy Diddles. I had

860
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,639
a glass of champagne and I immediately felt not well,

861
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,800
Miss Brock recalled, adding, I thought my drink had been spiked.

862
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,079
It was Miss Kates who brought her client, Miss Williams

863
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,679
to the ninety two dinner where she first met Epstein,

864
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:35,559
some months after she made her Sports Illustrated debut, and

865
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,079
it was Miss Kate's who brought her to mister Trump's

866
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:41,280
annual holiday party at the Plaza that fall, where she

867
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,440
ran into mister Epstein again, and where mister Trump also

868
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,480
vied for her attention. Praising her recent spread in the

869
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:51,360
Swimsuit Issue, Miss Williams said, I think they were trying

870
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,760
to get as high up the chain of models as

871
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,119
far as they could. Miss Williams said they wanted the

872
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:59,320
biggest prize and the most famous model, but it was

873
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
mister Eppstein, not mister Trump, to whom she gave her

874
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,159
number one day the following year, as she strolled down

875
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,880
Fifth Avenue, mister Epstein proposed visiting his friend in Trump Tower.

876
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,039
The real purpose of the visit, Miss Williams later came

877
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,559
to believe was to play a game. As the two

878
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,800
friends stood talking in mister Trump's waiting room, she said,

879
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,639
the real estate developer pulled her towards them and groped

880
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:24,719
her breast waist in buttocks. Mister Epstein acted like nothing

881
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,920
had happened after they left, though he flew into a rage,

882
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:31,639
be rating Miss Williams for letting Trump touch her. That

883
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,599
certainly tracks maybe not with you know, the whole story,

884
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,440
but the way Epstein would react. He did the same

885
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,400
thing with Harvey Weinstein. I'm convinced that's why he walked

886
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,960
me in there, she said in a recent interview. He

887
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,840
thought I would punch him in the face or something,

888
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,239
but I froze. A Trump representative previously called her allegations

889
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,480
unequivocally false. Miss Kates departed next in November after emails

890
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:58,960
released by Congress indicated that she and mister Epstein had

891
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:01,679
remained close for years after his two thousand and eight

892
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:05,280
plea on charges of soliciting a minor. A NEXT spokeswoman

893
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,280
declined to answer question sent by email in staid, sending

894
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,960
a statement that the agency has never had a business

895
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,039
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or Donald Trump. Miss Kates also

896
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:19,320
declined to answer specific questions. Neither Faith nor anyone associated

897
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,639
with Next ever brought clients to parties or dinners for

898
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,760
any inappropriate purpose. A spokesman for Kate's had said the

899
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,440
women who attended four parties at Epstein's mansion in the

900
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,320
early two thousands said she had first met Miss Maxwell

901
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,199
at a show during New York Fashion Week in two thousand.

902
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:40,840
Miss Maxwell presented herself as a wealthy, well educated mentor,

903
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,679
taking her to lunch and charity events. Eventually, she offered

904
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:47,880
to introduce her to a friend, mister Epstein. She said.

905
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,840
Miss Maxwell told her that he could help her achieve

906
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,559
her dream of modeling for Victoria's Secret. The three met

907
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:58,000
at mister Epstein's mansion that fall and talked about her career.

908
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,159
On a second visit, she ReCl mister Epstein and Miss

909
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:04,599
Maxwell began touching each other, and then her she froze.

910
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,760
I don't know if I could have moved if I

911
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,440
wanted to, she said, expecting an apology, she returned for

912
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,760
a third visit. Instead, she said, mister Epstein warned her

913
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,039
that cameras in the mansion had recorded their encounter. He

914
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,440
insisted she come to parties there, terrified that her parents

915
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:25,480
and pastor would find what had happened. She acquiesced the

916
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:28,039
women at the four parties she attended didn't seem to

917
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,519
know one another. The other men arrived individually. She recalled

918
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,480
meeting mister Trump at one of the parties. She showed

919
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:36,960
The Times a handwritten address book she kept in those

920
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:40,280
years containing mister Trump's name and two of his phone numbers.

921
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,239
Mister Trump did not act inappropriately with her, the woman said,

922
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,639
And again it's important to note a lot of people

923
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,039
are going to say, well, look, there's nothing incriminating here

924
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,679
for Trump. I disagree. Maybe not incriminating as far as

925
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,440
abusing people, but lying. And that's a big deal, especially

926
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,840
if you're the fucking president of the United States. The

927
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,119
woman said. She hoped the Justice Department will release redacted

928
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,119
documents relating to her interview with the FBI, which took

929
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,679
place in New York City in the summer of twenty twenty,

930
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,239
she said, in which she mentioned mister Trump's presence at

931
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,639
the parties that same year. According to documents the woman provided,

932
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,920
she was interviewed about mister Trump and mister Epstein by

933
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,039
representatives of the Epstein Victims Compensation Program, and later received

934
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:31,119
a settlement another victim's fund handling claims against JP Morgan

935
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,920
to settle allegations that the bank ignored warnings about mister

936
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Epstein's abuses also approved the woman for a settlement, so

937
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,400
not alleged somebody that got money got a settlement and

938
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,559
somebody that was involved. She has since filed paperwork to

939
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:49,440
join a Florida lawsuit by more than thirty women, most

940
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:54,440
under pseudonyms, alleging that the FBI failed to properly investigate

941
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:57,679
reports of sex crimes and child sex trafficking by mister

942
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Epstein dating to ninety nine. Government lawyers have asked a

943
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judge to dismiss the case. The government knew about Epstein,

944
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They were aware of his sexual abuse of miners and

945
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young women, said Jennifer Plotkin, a lawyer for the women,

946
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and because they did nothing, hundreds and hundreds of women

947
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were abused over twenty years. Miss Maxwell is serving a

948
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twenty year federal prison sentence. For conspiring with mister Abstein

949
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to traffic underage girls. Last July, the Deputy Attorney General

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00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,360
Todd Blanche traveled to Florida to interviewerr. She acknowledged mister

951
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,599
Trump's social relationship with mister Apstein, but said that he

952
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:38,920
had never seen the President behave inappropriately. A week later,

953
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,599
she was transferred to a minimum security prison. Her lawyers

954
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are now seeking to overturn her conviction that whole entire

955
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,880
thing is one of the biggest tells that this is

956
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a cover up, the fact that she was moved. It

957
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,519
is incredible to me. It's something that should be a

958
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,039
bigger problem to a lot of people because it really

959
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,519
shows intent. No reason for Maxwell to be moved unless

960
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:05,639
he's playing ball, and it's obvious she's not playing ball,

961
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at least not for the survivors. Maybe for Trump, but

962
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not for the survivors, not for us. So if you're

963
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,000
looking for a tell, if you're looking for evidence of

964
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,880
a cover up, there it is rewriting history. In the

965
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early two thousands, mister Epstein, now extraordinarily wealthy and well connected,

966
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:24,840
seemed to grow less content with the anonymity he had

967
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,639
carefully drawn around his life and his business. In two

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thousand and two, practically inviting public scrutiny, he arranged a

969
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,920
fly with former President Bill Clinton and a celebrity entourage

970
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on a humanitarian trip to Africa. Details of the trip

971
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were soon shared with The New York Post page six.

972
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Not long after New York magazine published the first major

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profile of mister Epstein, Mister Trump provided the headline quote,

974
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,760
He's a lot of fun to be with. It's even

975
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,679
said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do,

976
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,599
and many of them are on the younger side. But

977
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sometime in the subsequent years their friendship soured. Exactly when

978
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:07,320
and why is unclear. After the allegations against mister Epstein

979
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,760
slowly began to emerge into view in the mid two thousands,

980
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accounts mister Trump and his representatives gave of their relationship

981
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,119
and its end began to molt and morph. Mister Epstein

982
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:21,639
was kicked out of Our a lago for being inappropriate

983
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:24,159
with a massuse or with the daughter of a member.

984
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Mister Trump had banned them for approaching employees or for

985
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,880
being a creep. In other words, the story changes whenever

986
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,440
it's convenient, and like usual, Trump's just trying to set

987
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,920
himself up as some kind of hero. The first public

988
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,000
signs of a breach came in two thousand and seven

989
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,719
with an anonymous page six item, right as mister Epstein

990
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,639
was negotiating a plea deal to resolve the first federal

991
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,360
and stay charges against them. Mister Epstein, the Post reported,

992
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:53,920
had been banned from our a Lago for soliciting a

993
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,199
massuse about eighteen years of age. The item appeared to

994
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,760
refer to Virginia Roberts, who said she was recruited by

995
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,280
Maxwell from mar Alago, spaj just shy of her seventeenth

996
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,760
birthday back in two thousand, when mister Epstein and mister

997
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,119
Trump were still close. Several years after the page six item,

998
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when Miss Roberts had gone public with her allegations, mister

999
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,320
Epstein wrote to Miss Maxwell expressing surprise that mister Trump

1000
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,480
had not gotten more attention, writing that his friend had

1001
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:26,199
spent hours at my house with Miss Roberts. Miss Maxwell

1002
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,599
replied that she had been thinking about the same thing.

1003
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In depositions in twenty sixteen, with mister Trump a leading

1004
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,840
contender for the world's most powerful public office, Miss Roberts

1005
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,480
said that mister Trump had never had sex with her,

1006
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and that she couldn't remember seeing him in mister Epstein's home.

1007
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,880
She died by suicide this April, and Virginia told me

1008
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,000
the same exact thing. When her and I talked about this,

1009
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she told me the same thing. So I'm not going

1010
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,400
to sit here and make things up. I'm not going

1011
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,039
to sit here and tell you that I have proof

1012
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,639
that Trump was abusing people with Jeffrey Epstein. But what

1013
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:02,920
I will tell you is this, I think he's lied

1014
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,840
about the whole relationship, and I certainly think that there's

1015
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a cover up under way. In two thousand and nine,

1016
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mister Edwards, the lawyer representing a group of Epstein victims,

1017
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:16,280
set out to depose mister Epstein's circle of powerful friends.

1018
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,639
In his book, mister Edwards wrote that mister Trump quickly

1019
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,519
agreed to a phone call. Mister Epstein was merely a

1020
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:26,360
business acquaintance. He told mister Edwards he cannot recall exactly

1021
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,360
why mister Epstein had been removed from mar A Lago.

1022
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,599
He said he had last seen him at the business

1023
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,840
meeting at mister Epstein's pom Beach home some time before

1024
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,079
the allegations came to light. The only reason Trump went

1025
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,400
on record is because they had the falling out, and

1026
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,840
Trump thought that he was going to be able to

1027
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,719
slam it home and cause problems for Epstein by having

1028
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,400
an interview with Brad Edwards. What you think Trump cared

1029
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,920
about the victims. No, he cared how he could use

1030
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,719
this information to his own benefit, the same thing he's

1031
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,280
doing now, but in reverse hiding the information because he

1032
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,800
knows it's damning against him. Even so, in early twenty fifteen,

1033
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,199
as mister Trump began exploring a presidential bid, stories about

1034
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:10,119
mister Epstein's widening legal trouble still referred to mister Trump

1035
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,719
as his friend. Mister Trump and his representatives became more aggressive.

1036
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,800
Mister Epstein was merely one of thousands of people who

1037
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,840
had visited mar A Lago. Alan Garton, mister Trump's top

1038
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,039
aide and lawyer, told BuzzFeed News. He was even more

1039
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:27,400
definitive that following year, there was no relationship between Jeffrey

1040
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,480
Epstein and Donald Trump. Mister Garton told Fox News they

1041
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:35,159
were not friends and they did not socialize together. This

1042
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:37,280
is what I mean, this is what we should be

1043
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,800
focusing on the actual lies we can prove if we

1044
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,239
do that, everything else is going to fall into place.

1045
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,320
When a reporter from the Associated Press asked mister Trump

1046
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,119
about mister Epstein in twenty fifteen, he responded elliptically. He

1047
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,519
was certainly a man about town, and because of the

1048
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:57,519
fact that is a small island, he got to know

1049
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:00,239
a lot of people, mister Trump said, referring to Palm Beach.

1050
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,440
When I started reading about the different things, and then

1051
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:08,079
things were proven, that's a different planet, that's a different world.

1052
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,639
Interviews in public records, however, indicate that mister Trump at

1053
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:15,280
times had interacted socially with women who accused mister Epstein

1054
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,920
and miss Maxwell of grooming or abuse. The federal case

1055
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,440
against Miss Maxwell described her role in grooming three victims

1056
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:25,880
under the age of eighteen between ninety four and ninety seven.

1057
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,559
One of them, a woman known in court records as

1058
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,519
Jane Doe, alleged in a separate civil complaint that mister

1059
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,400
Epstein had taken her to visit mister Trump at mar

1060
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,079
A Lago in ninety four when she was fourteen. This

1061
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:41,079
is a good one, right, mister Epstein said, elbowing mister

1062
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:45,559
Trump playfully. According to the complaint, mister Trump smiled and nodded,

1063
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,000
and the two men chuckled. The victim said her case

1064
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:52,760
ended in a settlement with mister Epstein's estate. In twenty

1065
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,239
twenty one, testifying at Miss Maxwell's trial, she said she

1066
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,679
competed in mister Trump's Miss Teen USA pageant. Jack O'Donnell,

1067
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,199
who ran the Trump Plaza in Atlantic City for several

1068
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,239
years and later wrote a critical book about mister Trump,

1069
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,199
were called in an interview that mister Trump once arrived

1070
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:12,159
at the casino after midnight one Sunday in September of

1071
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:15,840
eighty nine with mister Epstein and three young women. A

1072
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,320
state gambling inspector recognized one of the women as tennis

1073
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,679
star Gabriella Sabatini, who was nineteen and was too young

1074
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,960
to legally enter the casino. In a call that Monday,

1075
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,119
the inspector told mister O'Donnell that all the women looked

1076
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:33,400
very young. He said, soon after, mister o'donald called mister

1077
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,360
Trump to flag the issue. This is a repeating pattern here. Okay,

1078
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,760
once or twice you can write it off. This is

1079
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,480
a pattern, and in my opinion, not so easily written off. Yeah,

1080
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:47,559
Jeffrey likes some young mister Trump said, mister O'Donnell recalled

1081
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,480
in a recent interview too young for Me. Mister o'donald

1082
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,320
previously described the episode in Slate. The White House called

1083
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,880
his account of fabrication. Efforts to reach Miss Abatteini were unsuccessful.

1084
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:02,559
Everything's a fabric right, Nothing's ever true unless it gives

1085
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:05,960
Trump a good light. Whatever the cause of their latest

1086
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,719
falling out, mister Epstein remained obsessed with mister Trump In

1087
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,920
the years after their last known contact. He exchanged hundreds

1088
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,400
of emails with others mentioning his former friend. As mister

1089
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,079
Trump's political career took flight in the mid twenty tens,

1090
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,880
mister Epstein's umbrage seemed to grow even as he maneuvered

1091
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,159
to regain influence within mister Trump's world. He mocked and

1092
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:32,159
criticized him in private, calling him nuts and evil beyond belief.

1093
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:36,440
According to emails released by Congress, he resented mister Trump's

1094
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,719
efforts to distance himself. The emails show his older, smoother,

1095
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,599
former friend seemed untouchable while he was enveloped in scandals

1096
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,960
once again, as more and more victims came forward with

1097
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,320
their accounts of abuse. In an interview taped by mister

1098
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,440
Wolf in twenty seventeen and published by the Daily Beasts

1099
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,719
last year, mister Epstein described what he said was mister

1100
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,760
Trump's technique for trying to bed the wives of friends.

1101
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,719
Mister Wolf asked how he had such intimate knowledge of

1102
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,039
mister Trump. I was Donald's closest friend for ten years,

1103
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:12,559
mister Epstein replied, in emails, he hinted to friends that

1104
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,800
he could take mister Trump down. He didn't say how.

1105
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:18,920
All right, folks, Well, that's the New York Times profile

1106
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:23,239
on the relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and

1107
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,800
I think they did a good job in connecting the

1108
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,480
dots here and putting things into context, because there's no

1109
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:32,599
doubt that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump had a friendship

1110
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,599
that lasted for years. So for me, the real question

1111
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:40,159
is this, what did Donald Trump know and when did

1112
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:43,679
he know it. All of the information that goes with

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