WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.120 Maybe you're not familiar with what grounding is. That just 2 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:05.000 means giving an epistemic justification for why that's the case, 3 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:05.559 good reason. 4 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:06.799 So what's yours? 5 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:09.000 Well, I believe the Christian world view, and I would 6 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:11.560 defend that and now explain it. But it's it's coherent, 7 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:15.320 it's consistent. Right, How Well, if you don't have that worldview, 8 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:17.480 you are immediately caught it a bunch of contradictions like 9 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:21.559 what like picking and choosing? Like what like picking and choosing? Well, 10 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.640 I'll believe this thing and then I won't believe this thing. 11 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.359 That would make what things are contradictory? What are you 12 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:26.879 talking about? 13 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:30.199 Well, to say that, we do it because it works 14 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.439 as a contradiction. Why, because it's a fallacy works to 15 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:34.799 do what? 16 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:36.759 Explain your idea? 17 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:39.920 I explained the fallacy right there. 18 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:44.240 That's a fallacy explaining it. I don't have to. It 19 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:50.920 is you've contradicted yourself because that was a contradiction. It's paradoxical. Well, 20 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.000 you said you said one thing wasn't one thing wasn't, 21 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.880 so you're wrong. I'm not going to elaborate. 22 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:59.679 I mean I have been elaborating. So if you're characterizing 23 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.640 my position is not elaborating. I mean it's very explicit. 24 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.719 Neo Conservative is out of the UK. Bernard Lewis, who 25 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:16.040 is the father of Leo, father of Samuel Huntington, who 26 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:20.159 wrote uh books that influenced the Bush administration. So the 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:23.200 Bush Cheney those are like sort of the arch neo 28 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.120 cons but it's actually out of the UK from Bernard Lewis, 29 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.040 and then they are also influenced by Leo Strauss who 30 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:31.680 was influenced by Hilper. But they also have an influence. 31 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:40.560 No joke, it was a Hungary joke. Jeans were made 32 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:46.599 actually I think originally for for communist purposes. No, no, no, Ittually. 33 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.480 Jeans was like American Uh, it was like mining and. 34 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:52.560 Well they wanted to have a standard for like in 35 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.239 a company town, like everybody had the same outfit. So 36 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.280 I'm not saying that, I'm not saying they make profits. 37 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.239 I'm just saying, like a company town, you could say. 38 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:03.000 It's it's leave. I. Strass invented blue jeans and it 39 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:07.200 was in the United States, Denham work pants, but it 40 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:08.479 was made by in San. 41 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:11.360 Francisco company town made what are you kidding me? 42 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:13.639 You mean in the US it was that company town, like. 43 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.759 A company town is not really a capitalist institution, like 44 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:19.759 they make money, but like you have to buy everything 45 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:20.639 from the company town. 46 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.479 Well, I disagree with that. I mean, if there's a 47 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:28.080 barren wasteland and a company's like, we need to import 48 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.840 a bunch of people and there's no industry here, then 49 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.719 they have to create means by which people can choose 50 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:32.280 to buy food. 51 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.479 But it's not classical libertarian free market. If everybody has 52 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:38.879 to shop at the company town, it might be the but. 53 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:41.879 But but again, the point is if no town exists 54 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.919 and they build it, they're sure it's I wouldn't call 55 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.039 it communists. Well, it's called monopolistic. 56 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.039 Okay, But I mean, if you're a libertarian, monopolistic capitalism 57 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.759 isn't classical libertarianism. 58 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:59.000 Also again, so like if if if if I personally 59 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.439 have a private piece of land and I hire a 60 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.960 bunch of people and they're like, hey, there's no restaurants anywhere, 61 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:05.319 what do we eat? And I go, all right, I 62 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:06.960 guess I'll have the crew coming open up a restaurant. 63 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:08.960 But you got to pay for the food. Is that communism? 64 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.919 It's I mean again, monopoly capitalism isn't really. 65 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:14.159 Hold on, This is not this is this is not 66 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.439 an issue of there's no competition, like it's an issue 67 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:19.639 it is. I mean it's an issue there's no competition, 68 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.400 not forcing people to do anything that so is the alternative. 69 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.159 I just go, you know what, guys, I'm going to 70 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:25.840 open a restaurant where only I get to eat. You're 71 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:26.919 not actually not not allowed to eat it. 72 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:28.000 So I don't want to be a communist, right, But 73 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.080 this is the same argument as to why people would 74 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.199 own like an entire water supply, right, So if you 75 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.319 privatize water, then no one has a right to the world. 76 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:37.360 But but I'm not talking about that. 77 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:41.280 I'm saying the company town could own the water. Indeed, 78 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.280 what right do you have to take it? It's communist. 79 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:50.199 It's not communist to have myalities. Wait what it's not. 80 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.479 I own a swath of land and I invite you 81 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:55.800 to come work on it. I have to now relinquish 82 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:57.560 my right to the water body and my property. 83 00:03:57.639 --> 00:03:59.439 No, I'm saying, if you're going to create a society 84 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.759 or civilism, and you have if you own the entiret 85 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:03.280 year we're. 86 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.319 Talking about company towns. We're talking about company town. 87 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.280 That's the beginning of a civilization. Right, it's no different. 88 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.479 Right. So the point you bring up is that if 89 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.680 I own let's say one hundred acres and I have 90 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:18.920 a grain mill on it, and then I can't produce 91 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.000 that much. So a handful of people are like, how 92 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.240 do you good sir? We could increase the output of 93 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.319 the grain if you give us, if you let us come, 94 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.000 And I say, all right, you know what I'm gonna Actually, 95 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:30.839 I'll pay you guys a share of the grain that 96 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.439 you mill. Thank you for voluntarily coming and offering this service. 97 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:36.959 They then say there's nowhere to eat for miles, and 98 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.480 I go, well, Unfortunately, if I were to create something 99 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.720 by which you could purchase food, that would be communism. 100 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:44.000 So no, it's not communism. 101 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.600 So then if I, as the landowner and the company owner, 102 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.680 then say I will open a restaurant the property for 103 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.160 you from which you can purchase goods, that's the beginning 104 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:52.720 of communism. 105 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:56.240 So, but you're describing a situation of a small microcosm 106 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.399 where there's no company like a company town right, where 107 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.920 there's no competition. Huh, doesn't capitalism require competition. 108 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.319 Who's stopping people from opening a restaurant across the street. 109 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.000 Well, you would if you if you have a coon. 110 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:09.720 No no, no, no no no no. If I own property and. 111 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.079 You said a monopoly capitalism, that would you would be 112 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.199 then stopping the competition in a monopoly capitalist situation. 113 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.839 No, no, no, we're talking about a company town right, privately 114 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.600 own property. Right, So do they have to relinquish their 115 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:21.360 water rights? 116 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.759 If the city, if it grows to a certain size 117 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:26.720 where you begin to have competition. 118 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:30.480 That's literally communism. It's seizing the assets from the private landowners. 119 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:31.399 No. 120 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.680 I'm literally going to a guy who owned land and says, 121 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.680 there's too many people here now, so your water is ours. 122 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:42.000 That's compet No. If it's if you grow to where 123 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.920 you have a society that requires competition. 124 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.519 And the people can seize your assets. Agreed, we're communists. 125 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:50.920 If there's COMPETI but first of all, by the way, 126 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:55.079 Marx was a libertarian, so it begets really I want 127 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:55.519 to talk about it. 128 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:56.920 I don't care about Marx. 129 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.959 Well, you're accusing me of communism, then I'm not a 130 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:00.480 using you. 131 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.600 I'm arguing if your argument is private land ownership is 132 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:10.480 void upon access population, that's literally a function of communism. 133 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.399 That's what the Venezuelands. 134 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.600 Did what you're describing is literally just communism itself. A 135 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.439 company town is essentially the same as a communist side up. 136 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:20.480 It is, it is not, it is identical. 137 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:24.240 It's completely so. So the people own the land in 138 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:26.120 a company town. In a company town, the people are 139 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:31.920 the people that the people have it. If we're talking 140 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.480 about the structures of communism by which there is a 141 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:38.240 private committee, and there's two ways we can look at it, 142 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.600 your argument seems to fuse to gather both the authoritarian 143 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.079 dictators ship components and the economic. 144 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.560 That's monopoly capitalism. That's for your argument. 145 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.360 If the argument is people can voluntarily choose to come 146 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.079 and work for a company, but there is no competition 147 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.040 because there's no market reason for it, it's not communism. 148 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:57.879 It's just a monopoly. But there's no oppression. And it 149 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:59.639 doesn't matter because you can always choose to leave. 150 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.160 You can't always oose to leave if you're out in 151 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:04.319 the middle of nowhere, why did you go there? In 152 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:04.759 the west. 153 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:08.000 And then again, Brot, I gotta tell you. If the 154 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:12.040 argument is I have no choice in my circumstances, therefore 155 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.079 I should get public rights, it's literally. 156 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:14.600 Not what I said. 157 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.560 This guy's a communist, So then leave, right, Why can't you? 158 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:19.720 Well, you can say that, but in a company town, 159 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.879 especially like in situations when the eighteen hundreds company towns 160 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:24.480 are being set up, you didn't have the ability to 161 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:25.360 just leave right. 162 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:27.519 Well, they're holding you at gunpoint. 163 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.240 I mean, well, if you're under a contract, you might 164 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:30.639 have to be this. 165 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.360 Why did you sign the contract? Well, again, is it 166 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.000 communism to voluntarily enter into agreement with the company. 167 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.720 Yeah, but you can call it voluntary even their situation 168 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.319 where something can be voluntary that you're actually locked into, right, 169 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:42.120 I mean, I can. 170 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:43.839 You chose to enter into a contract. 171 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.079 Amazon owns an entire area and it's the only place 172 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.360 to work, then to say well you can move and 173 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:53.120 you can't. Yeah, but it's yeah, but it's still a 174 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:54.959 form of wage slavery. Right. You don't think there's suit 175 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:55.560 things as well? 176 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.639 No, I don't. I think that's comedy talk. Well, I 177 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.519 think this is quite literally the arguments of Chavez and 178 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.639 the arguments of Bernie Sanders, And my point that often 179 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:08.079 bring up to these leftists is what's stopping you from 180 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.720 just being a vagrant on federal land. 181 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:14.279 There's no differences you. 182 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:18.360 Want from my system without input, and that is the 183 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.319 the component of the left that I disagree with. 184 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.360 This is your argument is a leftist argument. Actually, that 185 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.959 people should have to work with classical liberalism is a 186 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:30.319 leftist position. You argue classical liberalism, that's what I'm argus position. 187 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:34.240 What I'm arguing for merit based capitalism is leftist. 188 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:38.000 Yes, classical liberalism out of the Enlightenment, that is incorrect. No, 189 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.240 out of the Enlightenment origin. 190 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.159 The origin of the left is the left aisle in 191 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:47.519 the French Revolution, referring to those who wanted a socialist, 192 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:52.960 anti monarchist and the right wanted a top down monarchist system. Okay, 193 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:57.440 so you're arguing it was a French revolution, it was 194 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:58.159 a left and the right. 195 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:02.120 The French Revolution wanted a uh, constitutional monarchy on the right, 196 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:06.559 and they wanted private property on the right. Leftist wanted communism. 197 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:08.840 Indeed, so when we say left and right in an 198 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.200 economic sense, at refers to left meaning communal right, meaning. 199 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:16.799 That's that's classical liberalism, which is against the traditional position 200 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.080 of church and state. And this is a state. 201 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.039 This is the argument that that Karl makes about about liberalism. Now, 202 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:28.039 what's the argent that a cod this is I'm only 203 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.240 saying that they're they're similar, that that liberalism is actually 204 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:38.080 a creation of the left, and that the ultimate. 205 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.320 Form I'm not I am not advocating for in this 206 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.080 circumstance classical liberalism. I'm advocating for private rights. 207 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:46.120 Yeah yeah, But the point that i'm the only point 208 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.399 that I make. His perspective is similar to Carl's perspective. 209 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.279 Sure, but that's immaterial to the argument being made. 210 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.039 It's not because what you're you're saying that you're a 211 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:57.720 socialist here in Marxist, but what I'm arguing would be 212 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.000 the same as any medieval village philosophy, and they weren't 213 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.080 Marxist or socialists back in the Middle Ages. Like if 214 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:03.200 you end up French village. 215 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:05.879 In that, you're okay. Again, if the core of your 216 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:11.159 argument is there's a private landowner, twenty years later, there's 217 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.000 now three hundred people working in this land. We now 218 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.200 transfer the private rights from the landowner to a communal function. 219 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.679 Again, it's complex where you have something like the total 220 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.519 ownership of something like a water supply, right, yeah, so 221 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.720 when you have people that need that, that's different than 222 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:32.240 a situation where Nestley's trying to buy an entire countries 223 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:33.440 like private water supply. 224 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.519 So again the issue was company towns. I have one 225 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.120 hundred acres, I own the body of water on that land. 226 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.320 I invite a bunch of people to work. They say 227 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:42.639 i'll work here. I need a place to say. I say, 228 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.480 I'll bag a house. They say where do I get food? 229 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.759 I'll build a store, and they say we need water. 230 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.600 I say, I'll set up a water pump for you. 231 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:49.759 That's communism. 232 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:52.360 Well let's go to the rights then, because you're arguing 233 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.279 that this you have this right as a company owner, 234 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:57.440 and I would agree, but on what basis do you 235 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.360 have those rights? Because classical liberalism lost this whole argument. 236 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.200 Can I don't know why you're bring up classical liberalism. 237 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:03.559 It's not it's not your position. 238 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.120 No, it isn't your it is you're not aware of that, 239 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:08.039 but it is your positions. Now you're throwing a blanket 240 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.759 to encompass one point and combine with a bunch of 241 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:11.320 other point. 242 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:13.879 Because your arguments come out of that ethos, whether you 243 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:15.440 know it or not, they're classical liberal. 244 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.159 And you can have varying ideologies mix and match. Let's 245 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.879 make an argument what I actually the basis for the 246 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:27.519 right to own private property well ethos. So I argue 247 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.120 that the rights of man are derived from the will 248 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.399 or the duties God bestows upon man. The requirements that 249 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:36.799 we have from God, which is be fruitful and multiply 250 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.759 requires a handful of things for which we recognize in 251 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.279 the United States that we allow the people to do fully. 252 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:45.159 Recognizing that other groups have different ideas of what rights are, 253 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.320 so I would argue rights are we need to be 254 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.559 able to communicate, we need to to protect ourselves, and 255 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:51.159 we be able to we need to be secure in 256 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:55.120 our possessions. These are principal rights that we struggle to 257 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:59.080 survive without. As the basis of this is is look 258 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.759 at commune in general in the Soviet Union, and when 259 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.799 you don't have property rights, congratulations. Look what happens when 260 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:08.360 you have mass monopolization and oligopoly you get something similar. So, 261 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:13.039 in a simple sense, certainly it is my moral worldview 262 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:15.679 and faith based structures that define what I think someone 263 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:20.639 has an inherent claim to. Progressives think of an inherent 264 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:22.639 claim to someone else's labor, which would just I would 265 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.480 describe as slavery. So when it comes to the idea 266 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:29.559 of private land, ownership. The argument is fully understanding population 267 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:32.279 expansion can come to a point where some people will 268 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.279 never own land. But the idea is I need to 269 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.240 be secure in my possessions, to know and prepare for 270 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.039 harsh winters, for instability, so that I can survive, so 271 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:44.879 that I can be fruitful, and that I can multiply. 272 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.559 So you build a genesis, and God, what God? What 273 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.600 principles of Genesis? Tell you that? What are you talking about? 274 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:52.320 I'm not a Christian? 275 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:56.440 Then how are you going to base this argument for 276 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:59.120 rights in God? What do you mean? What? God? 277 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:01.399 My God? My moral worldview? 278 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.000 So it's not a universal principle, it's just subjective. 279 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.000 Well, I think to a lot of people they have 280 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.120 a moral worldview and a philosophical understanding of some things 281 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:13.200 and not others, And I base mine largely on First 282 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.480 I would argue that perhaps there are greater moral philosophies 283 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.080 than the Christian moral structures. We just don't know them yet. 284 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.559 I would say, historically, based upon what we have seen 285 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:23.759 throughout the world and what we think we know, the 286 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:28.960 Christian moral worldview has been dramatically superior to other moral structures. 287 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.080 So that being said, I am not a Christian, and 288 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.720 I don't believe in the faith structures they have. However, 289 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:38.080 I have recognized that the moral structures of a Christian 290 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:42.879 society tend to make life more successful for individuals, which 291 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.080 is ultimately beneficial to the standard function of life, which 292 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.840 is organizing complex or organizing free energy in and complex systems. 293 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.279 So just utilitarianism. So because it works, well, that was 294 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:58.159 utilitarian You're wrong, that's utilitarianism. No argue that works. Well. 295 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.240 Hey, if you don't have an argument for what I said, 296 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:02.600 stop trying to blanket it with something else. As a 297 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:03.000 straw man. 298 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.360 The argument was utilitarianism. I'm it's literally not I did. 299 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:09.320 We can talk about it. Is it not utilitarian? 300 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:11.559 Well, we can talk about dantological ethos, we can talk 301 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.360 about No. Indeed, my point is, instead of arguing what 302 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.080 I said, you're going you're arguing thing. I'm like, well, 303 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.120 I gave you a specific outline. I'm giving you the. 304 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:23.559 Problem with utilitarianism. I'm sorry that you're not aware with 305 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:24.759 of the problems with that, but. 306 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.000 I'm sorry that you can't actually address what I told you. 307 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:30.200 I'm addressing it now, which is you're not utilitarian. Arguments 308 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:31.879 are pragmatic and it's not a justify. 309 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.879 Right, I'm not a utilitarian, but you made a utilitarian 310 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.559 argument a component of some perhaps, so I don't believe 311 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:42.840 in utilitarianism because that would sacrifice individuals. Again, do you 312 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:46.080 know what dantological moral ethosism? Okay? Great? So when you 313 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.559 say something like and then I bring up we do 314 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:52.519 not we do not take immoral actions against an individual 315 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:58.240 for the betterment of the of it. I know you 316 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.279 are making an argument the needs of the many outweigh 317 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.159 the needs of the few, which I did not say. 318 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.639 You can have different types of utilitarianism. Sure that instead 319 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:08.840 of arguing the point that. 320 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.320 I made, point you argue a pragmatic point. 321 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.360 Argue the point I made. Stop trying to blanket into 322 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:14.960 other hou. 323 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:19.240 Does pragmatism justify the rights? That's what you argued? Okay? 324 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.480 I made an argument about private land ownership as a 325 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:23.720 benefit to human survival. 326 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:24.480 Right pragmatic? 327 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:29.320 Okay, So address what I said. How does appeal you 328 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:30.840 make yours? Addressing what I said? 329 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:32.240 That's not a justification. 330 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:33.120 It's a bad argument. 331 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.919 Why because appealing to things that work or pragmatism isn't 332 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:37.600 a justification. 333 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.639 Explain why I'm wrong about the requirement of private land 334 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:42.559 ownership for survival. 335 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.799 You grounded the right in utilitarianism and pragmatism, and I'm 336 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:48.159 saying that's not a good justification. It's a bad argument. 337 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.480 So explain anything that works could be all over the place, 338 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:53.440 that could be subjective. 339 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.039 Indeed, that was my point in which I said, there 340 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:01.600 is structuralism that work better we have not discovered yet. 341 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.840 Then if it's so, you don't know. So if it's 342 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:06.679 a future thing that you haven't figured out yet, then 343 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.159 you don't know right now. 344 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.480 That justase I understand certain principles of gravity and the 345 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:13.759 speed at which things fall, but we don't know for 346 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:16.840 sure how the structures work. And it wouldn't we operate 347 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:18.960 based on probabilities, but it. 348 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.799 Would then that would not work to justify the rights 349 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:23.480 as grounded in an unknown. 350 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:25.039 Then go jump off a building and see how it works. 351 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:25.440 For you. 352 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.120 You told me I have to I have to go. 353 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:28.639 Jump off a building and see how it works. Because 354 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:30.120 you don't know gravity, it's a future thing you haven't 355 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.000 figured out yet. We operate on probabilities based on what 356 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:34.879 we think we know because we actually don't know. 357 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:38.080 But that doesn't ground a right. That's the point, indeed 358 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:40.759 future probabilities. I asked you for the grounding for the 359 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.039 right to private property. 360 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:46.559 So far human history has proven private land ownership is 361 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:48.039 beneficial to human existence. 362 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.480 That's a circular argument benefit. I'm asking how you know 363 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:52.960 that it benefits of what does mean to benefit? And 364 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:53.720 you're saying, because it. 365 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:54.799 Was good, it makes more of it. 366 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.840 That's a circular argument. Why well, why maybe making more 367 00:16:58.879 --> 00:16:59.399 of it's bad. 368 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:00.759 It's certainly not. 369 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.279 Okay, but why not? That's the point, That's why it's circle. 370 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.240 Well, let's go back to the origin of what we 371 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:10.400 think we know again, because everything we think, everything is 372 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.200 rooted in what we think we know. Right, some people 373 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:15.720 think the Earth is flat. They're probably wrong, But honestly, 374 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.960 I've not done the experiment experiments myself to a great degree. 375 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.559 I've just been in a plane. So if we go 376 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:23.960 back to again the roots of science, we can take 377 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:26.759 a look at a few things. Free energy tends to 378 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:31.799 coalesce into complex systems, starting with the baser elements, or 379 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:35.759 we can say quarks, I'm sorry, quarks into particles, into atoms, 380 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:39.799 into elements into compounds. At some point, for some reason, 381 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:44.480 you get gravity. Likely because if you're familiar with our 382 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.519 current understanding of gravity. Mass creates attraction, et cetera. And 383 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:52.200 this results in certain masses coming together. Eventually you'll get 384 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.279 something like a gas giant. You'll get something that compresses 385 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:56.000 then ignites fusion, and you get a sun. We get 386 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.160 all this stuff, then you get an Earth. Earth is 387 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:01.559 the result of certain things slamming together, creating a bunch 388 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.160 of complex elements through process of fusion, et cetera. And 389 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.119 then at some point on Earth, for some reason, again 390 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.200 we don't really know for sure, these molecules and compounds 391 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:14.039 start forming self replicating proteins. The Again, in modern science, 392 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.559 the one thing we recognize is that there is greater 393 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:19.839 entropy and limited entropy. Negative entropy can only exist in 394 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:23.599 a slightly greater entropic system. But we do see free 395 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.720 energy organizing in the complex systems throughout the Earth and 396 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.759 in the universe. That's what we monitor. Eventually, these complex 397 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.799 systems ultimately become mult They become cellular organisms, single cells, 398 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:39.039 then multicellular organisms, by which they then create complex organism systems. 399 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:41.759 They create ecosystems. Now, you've got a squirrel planting a nut, 400 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.759 growing a tree. The tree then drops the food for 401 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.960