WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:03.480 Oklahoma City has advanced to the NBA Finals. They will 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:07.799 represent the Western Conference deserveverly so. After just dump trucking 3 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:09.880 Minnesota last night, the New York Knicks will try to 4 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:13.480 make it interesting. They're down three to one MSG tonight. 5 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:16.719 That is a six o'clock Mountains on tip on TNT. 6 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:19.640 Could this be the final night for inside the NBA 7 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:22.039 on TNT. We'll have to wait and see. A few 8 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:24.800 weeks away from the NBA Draft, RSL cannot hold on 9 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:26.480 to a lead. A lot to talk to our next 10 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.760 guest about on his birthday week. Happy birthday, Andy Larson. 11 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:30.359 How are you, Bud? 12 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:32.640 Thank you? I'm doing well? 13 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:34.960 Thirty nine, thirty eight? What do we got? 14 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:36.200 Thirty four? 15 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:39.479 Man on Teason. I know you're a young but now, 16 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.960 if I remember correctly, on your thirtieth birthday, you tweeted 17 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.439 out that you were washed. What do you at thirty four? 18 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.799 Even more wash? I mean, look, I had a soccer 19 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.719 game yesterday. We lost five to one. We are even 20 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:59.000 worse than rails the lake. It is. Yeah, I'm flo. 21 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:03.679 I can't move. People were like getting knee injuries. It's 22 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:05.000 it's it's rough out there. 23 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.599 It's rough. Scenes. I love that you just compared your 24 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:12.359 rec soccer team to RSL. That rules who are if 25 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:16.840 you're if I'd ask you who the RSL equivalent? So 26 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:18.640 who would you be on your on your rec team 27 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:20.680 of this year's version of Ursel. 28 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:24.959 Force for Jago. So, I do play a good deal 29 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:28.519 of forward, and look, I'm trying out there. I'm doing 30 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:33.040 my very best. It's just definitely not enough, not anywhere close. 31 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.480 And I should be sent down to maybe the over 32 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:39.799 forty leagues soon or the over thirty third division, whatever 33 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.319 it is. I need to be sent down to a 34 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:43.439 lower league where I can compete for real. 35 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:46.680 Okay, okay, fair enough. I was gonna say Forrester did 36 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.439 get sent down, So I'm glad you pointed that out. Look, man, 37 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.719 since we're in the space, we'll stay in the space. 38 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:54.920 At least our guy, Willie Big Willy Goals as we 39 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.400 call him on the show, finally got a goal off 40 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.560 a nice little set piece and then you know it's money. Man. 41 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:02.519 I just have and I hate to be this guy. 42 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:04.640 I just have no confidence in this group. But I'm 43 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.400 sitting there watching last night. I'm like, they're not gonna 44 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:07.719 hold the lead. They're not gonna hold the lead, and 45 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.719 sure enough they don't. So a point on the road 46 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.840 typically is a good thing, but it's another late game 47 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.639 collapse and the galaxy of not won this year. Something 48 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.599 tells me that I might win on Saturday. Just where 49 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.120 are we at right now with the club? Andy, Yeah, 50 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:21.879 and like. 51 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:23.919 I don't think they're terrible, and there are some good 52 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:28.039 moments yesterday and yeah, but then in the end, like 53 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:30.680 set piece marking has been so bad over the last 54 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.400 couple of games, like just letting opposing guys get free 55 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:38.479 headers within frames of goal, Like it just doesn't make 56 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.639 sense how those are being defended, and that's been a 57 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.319 problem for ourselves for a lot of this year, along 58 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.319 with as you mentioned, the late game. Leeds look like 59 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.319 they are at the bottom of near the bottom of 60 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.840 the Western Conference. Austin's not a good team either. They're 61 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:56.560 not a playoff team right now. And you know, it 62 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:01.360 feels like you're halfway through the are actually halfway through 63 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.400 the season, right they are one game short and halfway 64 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:06.199 through it feels like this isn't the year. And so 65 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:10.360 at this point I think the plan should be to 66 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.639 prioritize young talent. I mean, we heard a Mecca and 67 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.560 Nelly is out for at least a month, maybe two 68 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:22.960 with an injury. It's probably time to like prioritize Yeglena, 69 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:27.800 prioritize Davior Gozo, Dominic Mark Soup, even like body Hidalgo's 70 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.199 relatively young on on the outside back, I mean, like 71 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.120 Nelson Platio in the middle, like and just see what 72 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:37.240 you have I guess with some of these guys. But 73 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:41.240 you know, it's maybe even rotate goalkeeper, even as good 74 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:45.120 as Raphael Sprawl's been, because like in the end, it's 75 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:49.520 hard to imagine this team getting back into it when 76 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:52.520 they have this much of a talent deficit and when 77 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.280 they you know, don't seem to have any chemistry to 78 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:55.719 speak up. 79 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.520 Kind of an interesting dynamic on the show over the 80 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:03.120 past week with my RSL So Pablo joins the program and, 81 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.319 among other things, drops the tidbit that new ownership has 82 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.400 informed him they're not interested in selling young players anymore. 83 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.240 They want to change their approach. Kurt hops on and 84 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.840 he was more kind of sitting on the fence about it. 85 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.319 Then Jason hopped on yesterday and basically said, Pablo was 86 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.639 a little bit over dramatic about it. I don't exactly 87 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.839 know where to nail it down. I mean, look, as 88 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.279 I continue to say, if some European club or some 89 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.720 Mexican club calls and says, I don't know, twenty thirty 90 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.639 mil for Diego, you're going to do that, I get it. 91 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.519 But if the Millers really have kind of done their calculation, 92 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:39.759 and you know, the Millers showed as stewards of the 93 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.319 Jazz they would do what they had to do to 94 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:43.519 make sure this team was always competitive. They never really 95 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.759 tried to lose, they never tried to tank. And you know, 96 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.160 it was kind of interesting at that media round table 97 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:50.959 listening to their thoughts on how the Jazz are being 98 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.399 run right now. So they have a track record of 99 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.480 putting a competitive team on the court with the Jazz, 100 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:59.279 and I think they'll show that they'll do that with RSL. 101 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.720 But how does that news, whatever exactly it means, land 102 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.319 with you that maybe you know, are if RSL is 103 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.160 able to develop really really good young players, this new 104 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.279 ownership group wants to keep them around for a while. 105 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.360 Look, I mean I like that, and I think that's 106 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.279 good and I think, you know, obviously it wants to 107 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.199 see the best product possible on the pitch. I also 108 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.399 think that it's a little bit unrealistic about given where 109 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.720 RSL stands in the global soccer world, right, Like in 110 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.439 the end, is Diego Luna really actually going to be 111 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.000 happy playing at RSL for his entire career? Yes, but 112 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.480 you know, like in the end, I don't think that 113 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.959 that is likely. And you know, certainly at least Diego 114 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.759 has some local ties and has found them familiarity here. 115 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.040 But like guys like Andreskiemez, we're clearly just using RSL 116 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.399 as a wrong on the ladder, right, And so it 117 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:51.439 is unrealistic to expect to keep those guys here in 118 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:53.800 Salt Lake when they are not happy here and they 119 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:56.879 want to go on to greater things, not in MLS 120 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.480 but overseas, and so look, I mean, I think that's 121 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.720 good and you can keep them for longer, and maybe 122 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.199 you are more strategic about when you sell them rather 123 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.680 than just trying to get top dollar. I think there 124 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.240 is room for that. But I do think that, like 125 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.800 if you imagine how to get RFL successful in Major 126 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.319 League Soccer, it does have to involve young players developing 127 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:23.680 to some degree, and then you know, you can put 128 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.959 des many players around them and figure kind of that 129 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:29.839 out and yes, then if you do have one or 130 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.519 two guys who are happy that want to stay upet 131 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.000 Lake for their whole careers, then think great, please by 132 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.720 all means sign them up rather than get that check 133 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.839 just for selling on their rights. But yeah, it doesn't 134 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.720 strike me as super realistic given where RSL is in 135 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.040 the global soccer spectrum. 136 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.439 Last thing here, and this is a dynamic that all 137 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.600 three of my RSEL guests over the past week have 138 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:58.160 been in lockstep about Pablo, Kurt and Jason, two attacking 139 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:02.240 players away from being among the better teams in the league. 140 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.160 So the summer transfer window will open in July, and 141 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.319 if you look at the schedule, if they're able to 142 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.319 act really quickly, they will have thirteen matches left. Now, 143 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.319 if they wait until closer to the end of the 144 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.439 secondary summer transfer window, they'll have seven or eight matches left. 145 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.319 I can't remember off the top of my head. So 146 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:23.600 my whole thing is like, look, if you claim that 147 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.839 you were really close during the primary transfer window the 148 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:30.480 closed last month to getting a few things across the line, 149 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.000 if that's real, then be prepared to get these things 150 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.560 across the line as soon as you can. When the 151 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:39.680 summer window opens. So two part question before we get 152 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:44.079 some basketball. Do you agree that you know, theoretically speaking, 153 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.079 it depends on who the players are, but two attacking 154 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:49.800 players away. Do you agree that that's the need right now? 155 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.480 And do you think there will be enough time to 156 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.639 salvage something this year if they can act quickly when 157 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.439 the summer window opens. 158 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.360 I think they I agree with them that clearly the 159 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.879 attack is the largest problem. I think they have been 160 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.720 significantly overconfident on the defensive end and have been just 161 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:14.000 you know, frankly exposed defensively multiple times this year in 162 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.720 a way that only Rafael Cabral being amazing, has has 163 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.399 shaved them. And it's probably not sustainable defensively either. So 164 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:27.120 I have significantly more fastimism about them, and actually did 165 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:31.000 even from that roundtable from the beginning of the years, 166 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:34.720 than you know, than they have. So I'm not sure 167 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.120 why they believe in the glad they're a back line 168 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:38.519 as much as they do. I'm not sure why they 169 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.519 believe in the outside back situation as much as they do. 170 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:44.279 But anyway, in the end, yet you do need to 171 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:46.960 attacking players, and if you are able to sign them 172 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.720 with thirteen games less then yeah, maybe you have a chance. 173 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:53.360 But then we always hear when these signings happen that 174 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.399 it takes weeks to integrate these guys, that they always 175 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.799 you know, they always come off you know, coming off 176 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.200 bench to begin and if you're getting players from Europe 177 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.240 for most of the leagues in the world, they probably 178 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.399 are coming off of a summer break to some extent. 179 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.840 So like, I'm really skeptical that, like, yeah, you can 180 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.240 get all of that done in time in order to 181 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.279 make a move when you know, I look at what 182 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.799 happened during the winter window and what happened during last 183 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:23.360 summer transfer window and did not see that urgency. And 184 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.360 you know, even when a Champions League spot was on 185 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.399 the line, they flow played it. So you know, maybe 186 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:34.480 different ownership group, maybe we'll see different things, but it 187 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:36.600 is the same management group and they have not shown 188 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:38.399 an affinity for getting deals done quickly. 189 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.399 All right, moving over to some basketball, A let's do 190 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.200 some jazz. And actually, I know you listen every minute 191 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:45.840 of the show, so I'm sure you heard the open, 192 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.320 So I'm going to ask you for listeners that did 193 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:53.120 not hear it like you did. The Dwyane Wade jazz 194 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:58.279 stuff Okay, so we were talking. We were talking during 195 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.120 the first segment of the show about some difficult years 196 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.759 as Knicks fans, Ron Baker, Clean, Anthony Early and such 197 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.039 and non secuit or kind of turned into a conversation 198 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:14.600 about the Jazz and is Dwayne Wade still around at all? 199 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:17.600 Was he ever really a minority owner? Was that just 200 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:19.840 like hey, Donovan, look, I have cool friends. You should 201 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:23.000 live in Salt Lake. That didn't work? Like, what what 202 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.200 is Dwayne Wade in the Utah Jazz? What is it? Andy? Yeah? 203 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.919 I mean like he's he's real, that's on paper, like 204 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.200 he does actually on a part of the team. I 205 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.480 think it's relatively clear, given that he chose the Jazz 206 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.440 over the Miami Heat. And it has been reported multiple 207 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.120 places that he had conversations with Mickey Erison about potentially 208 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.240 buying his life and it sounded like it was just 209 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.600 too much that it sounds like Ryan Smith gave him 210 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.080 a somewhat of a discount in buying whatever share of 211 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.279 the Jazz he has. The NBA bylaws say that you 212 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.279 have to have at least one percent if you're going 213 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.519 to be a minority owner, So you know, that's a 214 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:04.639 relatively significant amount, you know, compared to some other leagues 215 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:08.720 that do it differently. And then I would say, but yeah, 216 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:11.000 like is he involved day to day and like who 217 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:14.639 the Jazz are gonna draft? No, Like he's very much 218 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:19.639 onto other things right now, and more so now than 219 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.159 ever because the Jazz are bad. You know, Like I 220 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.120 do think that, like he was a figurehead there for 221 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.559 a while and in kind of a useful way for 222 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:32.879 the Jazz as as a owner, you know, like he 223 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:36.720 opened up some doors, started some conversations that make it 224 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:41.639 make sense why the Smith Ownership Group would give him 225 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:47.279 a discount on an ownership stake. But now I think, 226 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:49.039 you know, I think it's fair to say that those 227 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:53.120 relationships have opened the door. You know, those doors have 228 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.919 already opened a little bit. And yeah, he's pulled back 229 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.399 a little bit. So like I feel like it feels 230 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.039 like shruk tink to me, to be honest. It feels 231 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.799 like you get Mark Cuban as your partner and it's great, 232 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.039 and then you know, Mark Cuban buys ten percent of 233 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.679 a share in your company for fifteen thousand dollars and 234 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:12.320 you've got the fifteen thousand dollars and Mark Cuban connected 235 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.559 you to three different people that were useful and then 236 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.080 probably pieced out and went to go do his own 237 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:20.399 other stuff. Right Like, that's that's what Dwayne Wade is 238 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:21.559 to the Utah Jazz right now? 239 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.399 Okay, fair enough. I just wanted a little bit of 240 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.720 clarity there because there was a lot of ambiguity about 241 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.480 the entire thing. All right, let's go here. Is there anything, 242 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.120 because you know you're watching Oklahoma City and I've tried 243 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.120 to do this all year, whether it's you know, when 244 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.080 Orlando was playing a little a little bit better or Detroit, 245 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:42.440 who was the worst team in basketball last year suddenly 246 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.320 showed at Poltz. Is there anything that we can learn 247 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.559 from the way Sam Presty has gone about his business 248 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:53.159 to build this Oklahoma City Thunder team into this juggernaut 249 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:54.799 who I think is gonna win it this year and 250 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.080 probably will win it next year. And maybe I know 251 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.360 that the luxury tax situation and the second Apron will 252 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.080 come calling at some point because that's how it's designed 253 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.240 to work. But they're awesome this year. They're young. They'll 254 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.720 extend Shay, They're going to extend Jalen, They're going to 255 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:13.200 extend chat and even if they have to trim some 256 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.960 fat around the edges. They have a bunch of different 257 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.559 draft picks, and they've just knocked every pick out of 258 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.759 the park. They grab Lou Dort undrafted, they turn Josh 259 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.879 Gideon Alex Caruso, who's been perfect. Is there anything that 260 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:28.759 the Jazz can learn from this or is this an 261 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.279 outlier in Sam Presty is just a genius. 262 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.120 I mean, look, I think you can say that tanking 263 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.559 does work like can work. Maybe not does all the time, 264 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.759 but clearly has in this instance. I think you can 265 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.600 say that it's clearly important to nail when you do 266 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.679 trade your superstars away, to nail what you can get 267 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.840 in return. Obviously getting Sga back as a whole lot 268 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.559 better than getting call and Sexton back. I think you 269 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.080 can say that, yes, nailing the draft picks and at 270 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.080 least giving yourself a lot of really good draft picks, 271 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.960 that's really important. You know that Uzman jang Is is nobody, 272 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.320 but Jalen Williams is an all star second banana on 273 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.320 an NBA Finals team, and they're drafted in kind of 274 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:17.480 that similar ten or twelve range in the lottery where 275 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.720 you know, one guy succeeded one guy failed, and that's 276 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.080 how that goes. Obviously, they drafted really well in some 277 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.039 other slots too, but you know they had for every 278 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:28.919 chat home grin. They also have a poku right like 279 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:33.000 it did happen? I think you can say that, like, 280 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:36.240 I'm impressed with kind of the way that they've rotated 281 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:40.799 through given guys chances and and kind of kept players 282 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:44.440 who fit and moved relatively quickly off of guys who didn't. 283 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:48.039 You know, like there was like the Gordon Hayward experiment, 284 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.879 which they moved on from me extremely quickly. But guys 285 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.759 like Kenrick Williams and I Dad Joe and Aaron Wiggins. 286 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:56.720 You know, I guess everone Wiggins a new one but 287 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:02.679 has have lasted longer and fa kind of in their culture. Yeah, 288 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:04.879 I think they are kind of a lot of good 289 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:08.759 lessons that are probably like difficult to apply immediately to 290 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.279 any given situation you're trying to make this year, Like 291 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:13.799 who should you draft with the number five pick? It's 292 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.000 hard to be like, well, the Oklahoma City thunder are 293 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.000 doing it this way, and so we should copy them, right, Like, 294 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.600 I don't think that that's the right approach to drafting 295 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.600 at number five, but I do think like just kind 296 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:28.799 of their patience and basketball evaluation skills is something that 297 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:32.080 you can kind of look at and emulate or try 298 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:33.159 to emulate to some degree. 299 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.600 All Right, moving over to the Jazz now, before we 300 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.840 get to the draft, I have not asked you if 301 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:42.559 you have heard anything about Walker about Walker Kessler, because 302 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:46.759 he is eligible for an extension. It feels like it's 303 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.759 a no brainer. It feels like it's probably a foregone conclusion. 304 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.799 They do have the ability, like they did with Gordon, 305 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.519 to have him play his final year this contract out 306 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:58.320 and then bet on himself if they want to go 307 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.600 in that direction. Are you hearing anything about whether or 308 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:03.759 not they're going to extend Walker this offseason or let 309 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.080 him play the final year of his rookie deal. 310 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.559 Yeah, I mean we actually did talk about this last week. 311 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.679 I have not heard anything. Those conversations would be much 312 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.600 later on in the summer, given kind of when the 313 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.840 NBA's rules allowed to extend guys. But my guess is 314 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:21.720 kind of based on what makes sense and where the 315 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:26.759 Jazz are capwise, that it probably makes sense for you 316 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:32.000 to do that extension now rather than next year, because 317 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:37.600 you potentially, in my mind anyway have the ability to 318 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.000 get him at a lower number now, assuming that he 319 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.840 plays well and you know, has played thirty five minutes 320 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:47.600 a night next year and continues to grow. So that's 321 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.279 kind of my thought. But yeah, we shall see, you know. 322 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:54.759 I think there is a possibility that Walker looks around 323 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.279 and wants to see what else is out there. But 324 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.279 like in the end, mostly everyone's just going to go 325 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.559 get the money out for their rookie deal. And yeah, 326 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.200 it would would make some sense to for I think 327 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.200 Walker and the Jazz to kind of lock him up 328 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:07.880 in the long term. 329 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.680 We did talk about it last week. My bad, Have 330 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:12.720 you dug in on any of the because I have 331 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.000 the free agent list in front of me, uh not. 332 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.039 A lot of teams have space and at some point, 333 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.279 you know, players got to decide that if he can't 334 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.880 get his you know, optimal landing spot, maybe he looks elsewhere. 335 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.519 Do you think the Jazz get involved with any of 336 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:29.839 the notable free agents on the board. I mean, I 337 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:32.960 think Golden State's can move on from cominga. That could 338 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.359 be an interesting situation because he's still young and there 339 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.519 were reports that when the Jazz were talking to Golden 340 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.680 State about market in I don't know how real any 341 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:43.799 of it was that Jonathan Kaminga was a name that 342 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.000 was banded about. Any any thoughts on the Jazz potentially 343 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:51.039 moving outside of the typical boxes we talk about dadd 344 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.000 some talent via free agency. Do you think that's a 345 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:53.400 real thing. 346 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:57.960 I mean, I don't think they have fifteen guys coming back. 347 00:17:58.039 --> 00:17:59.880 They actually have no free agents of their own that 348 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:01.880 they could lose. I mean, they have some non guaranteed 349 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.160 guys you can wave and open up spots, but you need, frankly, 350 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.559 to wave all four non guaranteed guys to open up 351 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.200 four spots for your four draft picks this year. They 352 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.839 also don't have any cap space really to speak of 353 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.960 a little bit, but like certainly not enough to get 354 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.680 Jonathan Kaminga, uh, because you still have Jordan Parkson and 355 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:22.680 John Collins and Collins Suxton on the books, right So 356 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:25.720 maybe if you trade one of those guys to another 357 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:29.920 team for free, but again, then who is that team 358 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:31.920 and why do they want John Collins given that they 359 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.559 have cap space and could go get Jonathan Aminga, who 360 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:36.799 you know, maybe I would say is probably the worst 361 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.000 player right now. But if you have cap space in 362 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.079 this market, you're probably looking for more upside than the 363 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.920 younger player like Tomenka has. So yeah, you know, I 364 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:49.319 could see them going maybe the cominga out in the trade. 365 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.160 But also if Cominga were interesting to the jazz or 366 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.839 really interesting to him to them, then maybe you would 367 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.680 have made the marketing trade a year ago. Right, So 368 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:03.319 I you know, kind of at least those those outlets 369 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.759 that you mentioned, I don't see them chasing after I 370 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.319 could see them, you know, taking a swing on like 371 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:15.039 a low valued star like a Trey Young as Zion Williamson. 372 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.559 But David Locke idea, like I don't think that's unimaginable. 373 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:21.160 But in the free agency market, I don't know how 374 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:22.079 that would play out. 375 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:27.839 The David Locke ideas trading for Zion Williamson. Yeah, what trade? 376 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:29.359 What for Williamson? 377 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:30.960 Number five pick? 378 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.000 Trade five for Zion Williamson. Huh all right, okay, I 379 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:38.000 had not heard that. What do you think about that? 380 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.799 I don't know, Like I mean, so his point of 381 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:45.519 view is like, hey, you know, you wanted the number 382 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:47.000 one pick, so you had a chance at a star 383 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.759 like a former number one pick, and Zion Williamson, who, 384 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.200 by the way, is still kind of a mystery box 385 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.599 due to injuries and off court issues and a weird 386 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.200 situation in New Orleans and everything else, right, like, and 387 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.160 if you do just truly won a shot at All 388 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.640 Star talent like Zian is a guy who really can 389 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.720 put up twenty five and ten. I'm worried about it 390 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:11.839 because clearly physically he's not the same player he was 391 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:14.839 two or three years ago, not just from a weight 392 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:16.960 point of view, but from an athleticism point of view. 393 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.319 And I think it was all that athleticism that made 394 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.799 him really special. I don't think that I would be 395 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.279 excited to pay out that contact if he's the player 396 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:31.200 that he currently is. And then, you know, I think again, 397 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.400 if we're maybe this is one path or Oklahoma that 398 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:36.960 he did teach us lessons is that they weren't ever 399 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.839 making those gambles on stars, right Like they never have said, oh, 400 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.519 we have one gazillion draft picks, why not trade one 401 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:46.200