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<v Speaker 1>And they only have a one track economy energy infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>so he wanted that because that's the one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>would advantage him. And then all the other things you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's complete Maximus, giveaway nothing, ask for everything, and then

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<v Speaker 1>try to get the other side to fight each other.

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<v Speaker 1>They're beyond getting the other side to fight each other

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<v Speaker 1>because they literally have a special envoy repeating Russian talking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously we should be on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>you don't repeat any side talking points. That's not the point, okay, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you go in, especially in public, as a mediator, you

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes on Dimitri.

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<v Speaker 5>Here with McK molroy, Andy Milburn, uh Locke cooking since

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<v Speaker 5>we've last had an episode, So you know, get a

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<v Speaker 5>comfortable seat, sit back and relax because the world's falling apart.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just joking, not really. The big news coming out

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<v Speaker 5>of the US is it seems like the rhetoric uh

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<v Speaker 5>that's coming out is that the US is gearing up

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<v Speaker 5>for a possible air strike or air strikes on Iranian

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<v Speaker 5>nuclear facilities. It started earlier this week with US bombarding

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<v Speaker 5>the Iranian backed Toothy's. I love when like media companies

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<v Speaker 5>say that that's like they got like a notice from

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<v Speaker 5>wherever they get a notice from that, they always have

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<v Speaker 5>to say Iran back Toothi's uh.

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<v Speaker 6>And they've been hitting the hoothies.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like it's been harder than other air strikes

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<v Speaker 5>that we've seen over the last year or so, since

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<v Speaker 5>they've been screwing around, uh in the Red Sea. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>let's just start with that because everything kind of like

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<v Speaker 5>entangles into each other, like, and Israel is signing a

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<v Speaker 5>delegation to DC this week to talk about an attack plan,

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<v Speaker 5>whether the US is involved directly or it gives Israel

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<v Speaker 5>the green light to just let them go with. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure support from US because you know, Israel is like

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<v Speaker 5>clamoring for it, you know, hitting Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>So, Mick, what do you got on this? Like, what

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<v Speaker 5>are you tracking? Oh, there's a lot to cover there, Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>there's quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, let's start with the houthis so on sorrow Lot

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<v Speaker 1>that's the other that's their name actually, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>or on back they are a proxy. Everran They're not

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest proxy everon if there was a scale, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Hesbelo would be on the top as far as

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<v Speaker 1>being able to direct them and take an orders, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>The Houthis are a bit of a wild card, but

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<v Speaker 1>they are or an hand back and a proxy, and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately Iran has the influence if it's not just stop

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<v Speaker 1>giving them weapons systems that they can hit ships with. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you got to you gotta be a little skeptical

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<v Speaker 1>of Iran's claims.

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<v Speaker 2>That they don't have the influence they have.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would first start with commending the current administration

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<v Speaker 1>with taking a harder stance in my view against the Huthis.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only have they been.

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<v Speaker 1>A threat to us UH military assets, which includes of course,

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<v Speaker 1>are sailors, soldiers, airmen, and marines, they have been conducting

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<v Speaker 1>direct terrace attacks against commercial vessels, killing and injuring civilians

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<v Speaker 1>that have nothing to do with any of the conflicts

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<v Speaker 1>going on. And it's important to point out they were

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of this before the war and Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>even started, so they use that as their reasoning behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were doing this prior to that even happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's time that we take all the

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<v Speaker 1>necessary military steps to degrade them to a point of

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<v Speaker 1>being unable to continue the attacks. They're never going to

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<v Speaker 1>change their philosophy unattacking the US and Israel. It's literally

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<v Speaker 1>in their national motto. But we can take we can

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<v Speaker 1>kill all the leadership, and we can destroy their ability

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<v Speaker 1>to attack innocent civilians board commercial vessels, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>this region about forty percent of the energy of the

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<v Speaker 1>world comes out of this region. It's mostly dependent on

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<v Speaker 1>by the Indo Pacific region, not US, so good on

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<v Speaker 1>them for that. Some would say this could also be

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<v Speaker 1>a reason to flow a lot of assets. Some you

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<v Speaker 1>just mentioned the USS Carl Vinson is also steaming from

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific to the Middle East to link up with

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<v Speaker 1>the Truman, another aircraft carrier. So we're putting a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of regional assets out there, which I think sends a

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<v Speaker 1>signal both to the Houthis in the signal being we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, attack you harder than you've been attacked before,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a signal to Iran that you see how

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<v Speaker 1>we're dismantling your proxy force here if you don't come

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<v Speaker 1>to the negotiation table for JCPOA two point zero or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever we're going to call it, which hopefully will include

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<v Speaker 1>addressing Iran's use of proxy forces in the region as

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<v Speaker 1>well as nuclear ambitions.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you could be next.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that I think there is a very

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<v Speaker 1>I don't obviously no decision has been made yet, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think, but I think there's a very real possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that the US could be looking at if orn has

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<v Speaker 1>a breakout toward a nuclear weapon they have, they could

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<v Speaker 1>easily get to the amount of enrichment they need. They

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<v Speaker 1>have to come up with the triggering mechanism, which they

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<v Speaker 1>could get from Russia or North Korea. But if they

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<v Speaker 1>do that, I do think there's a real possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, either in conjunction with or laterly strikes

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<v Speaker 1>the facilities and Tons and the other nuclear facilities you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 6>Ai.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I agree with with Mick that the strikes on

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<v Speaker 7>the WHO these are you know, renewed strikes or they're overdue.

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<v Speaker 7>But the concern has never been so much the number

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<v Speaker 7>of sorties were flying against the who thy's it's been

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<v Speaker 7>it's been having intelligence that is useful enough to result

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<v Speaker 7>in real time targeting. In other words, just the nature

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<v Speaker 7>of who the operations means that no matter how sophisticated

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<v Speaker 7>or intelligence is, they are able to shoot and scoot

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<v Speaker 7>and clear the area before we can cause really serious damage.

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<v Speaker 7>And now that's you know, we are plinking away and

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<v Speaker 7>we are causing casualties, and you know, essentially we're creating

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<v Speaker 7>a tremendous attrition for them. So one hopes they cannot

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<v Speaker 7>sustain these efforts for long. But they did fire another

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<v Speaker 7>rocket at I'm missing at Israel the other day, so

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<v Speaker 7>you know they aren't. They aren't yet completely on the ropes.

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<v Speaker 7>And it is the way we're doing things. Again, that's

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<v Speaker 7>the only thing that we can do. This isn't a criticism,

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<v Speaker 7>but it is. It is inefficient and it isn't as

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<v Speaker 7>effective as it may appear. And to really go after

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<v Speaker 7>the heart of the problem would be bring pressure and

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<v Speaker 7>Iran and so I you know, it's hard to tell

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<v Speaker 7>what the administration is thinking, but definitely that must be

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<v Speaker 7>foremost in their mind. The same same time, to mixed point,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, Iran by the end, it's certainly you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the last by the last information that that the IAEA has,

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<v Speaker 7>it's the International Atomic Energy Agency. Iran was able to

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<v Speaker 7>was producing about seven kilograms of uranium and rich to

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<v Speaker 7>sixty percent, which is just below weapons grade every month,

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<v Speaker 7>which would be enough to make about two nuclear bombs

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<v Speaker 7>per year if enriched further. Okay, So that was towards

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<v Speaker 7>the end of last year. Since then, the i e

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<v Speaker 7>IAA says that their their intelligence, their information has kind

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<v Speaker 7>of dried up. At the same time, the Israelis are

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<v Speaker 7>saying open source, their intelligence guys are saying that they

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<v Speaker 7>are certain that the Iranians are making a determined approach

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<v Speaker 7>for breakout, that they are doubling up on their centrifuge activity,

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<v Speaker 7>and that more perhaps even more worryingly, they've moved their

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<v Speaker 7>centrifuges into areas that are deeper than before.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say that.

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<v Speaker 7>Much, okay, and so kind of interesting. Hubarak, who's a

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<v Speaker 7>former Israeli Prime minister and was until recently a firm

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<v Speaker 7>advocate of the Israelis going after kinetically, going after the

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<v Speaker 7>Iran's nuclear capability, is now singly doesn't think it's going

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<v Speaker 7>to take do any good. That the Irans program's now

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<v Speaker 7>to advanced, too deeply buried to take out without US help,

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<v Speaker 7>all right, without bunker busting bombs. As the media likes

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<v Speaker 7>to say, so that what is all this put it?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh the other thing is, do you remember back in

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty, the Israelis killed the most prominent Iranian physicist,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I mean it was the end of her.

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<v Speaker 7>It was it was a culmination of a campaign of

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<v Speaker 7>going after a nuclear physicists. But this guy, his name

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<v Speaker 7>was Mosen I'm going to mispronounce it far is Ida

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<v Speaker 7>and and and they took him out using that it

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<v Speaker 7>was like an automatic machine gun. It was a very

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<v Speaker 7>unusual type operation. And the problem is now apparently, and

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<v Speaker 7>this is according to the Israelis, that there are now

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<v Speaker 7>five or six of these guys who've replaced him, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>which is probably predictable and A and are working even

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<v Speaker 7>harder at ad upgrading enrichment process. So all of this

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<v Speaker 7>is to say that yes, there are you know, Israel's Israel,

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<v Speaker 7>It's been really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. It's been a very bad year for Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>They they lost their president and helicopter crash. They have

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<v Speaker 7>been struck twice by the Israelis and were unable to

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<v Speaker 7>bring down a single aircraft according to the Israelis, and

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<v Speaker 7>certainly open source information seems to back the fact that

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<v Speaker 7>they've been largely the new did of their anti aircraft

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<v Speaker 7>or their their integrated air defense systems, and so it

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<v Speaker 7>does seem like a good opportunity to strike and from

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<v Speaker 7>you know, our own president's rhetoric when he talks about

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<v Speaker 7>taking the next step, obviously that would be the next step,

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<v Speaker 7>but perhaps not quite so predictable. All right, And when

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<v Speaker 7>we look at some of the internal politics within the administration,

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<v Speaker 7>two of the biggest Iraq hawks, Iran hawks.

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<v Speaker 2>Are out of favor.

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<v Speaker 7>Remember what was his name, pok Brian Hook was a

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<v Speaker 7>And actually Hook was fired shortly after President Trump took

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<v Speaker 7>office this time. And then you look at Eldridge Colby, right,

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<v Speaker 7>on the Far East. I mean, absolutely do it this time.

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<v Speaker 7>So you know, hard to tell, it's hard to read

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<v Speaker 7>anything any coherent messaging here. Yes, I'm tracking the movement

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<v Speaker 7>of aircraft down around you know, to include the supposed

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<v Speaker 7>landing of F thirty fives in peace app which could

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<v Speaker 7>be you know, for a number of reasons. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>we and moving the aircraft carriers to the region. We

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<v Speaker 7>do these things all the time as kind of a

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<v Speaker 7>signaling mechanism. It could just be part of our messaging

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<v Speaker 7>to Iran that we intend to play hard. But I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know, there's a long way of saying this, But

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know. I mean, there's there's certainly mixed messaging.

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<v Speaker 7>But I'll finish by saying that last year I posited

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<v Speaker 7>that the Israelis, if they wanted to, could strike and

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<v Speaker 7>have serious effect upon Iran's nuclear capability, and that appears

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<v Speaker 7>to be no longer the case because of Iranian moves.

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<v Speaker 7>So they would apparently if the open source informations we believe,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And on that point, the munitions when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to doing this a very important right. So the GVU

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven, I think, to my understanding, we're the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones that have it. It can It's about thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>pounds massive ordinance penetrating bomb that can go around two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred feet below the surface before it detonates and to

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<v Speaker 1>Andy's point, it's probably necessary to actually have the effects

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<v Speaker 1>we want on the facilities based on what.

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<v Speaker 2>They've done with them. So that would kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Necessitate the US, I believe, unless there's only a certain

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<v Speaker 1>amount of aircraft that can carry that too. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not an air guy, so I'm not going to get

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was just looking that up. Who carries it?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's to be too.

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<v Speaker 6>Only to be two like the F fifteen can. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's that big.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd look it up, but there's only a certain amount.

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<v Speaker 1>It's thirty thousand. Think about it. We talk about you

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<v Speaker 1>know these huge jadams that are two thousand pounds thirty thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Pounds, right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one point. The other point I would make that

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<v Speaker 1>Ani made earlier. Certainly agree it's more than just your

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<v Speaker 1>intent when it comes to dimission the Hohothi's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the way the intelligence apparatus in the United States work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the most effective, I think in the world, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is finite, so they only have you know what

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and I don't know this to be necessarily true,

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<v Speaker 1>but when the Biden administration deemphasized the who thies took

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<v Speaker 2>Them as high.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean they just dumped it, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>based on these signals, they would shift. So now that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a new administration who's obviously more interested in being

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<v Speaker 1>effective against the Huth, he's militarily effective that the Intel

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<v Speaker 1>has to catch up. So it can catch up pretty quick,

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<v Speaker 1>but it has to be retasked in some cases to

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why they're talking about leadership targets in Yemen

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<v Speaker 1>right now is because the Intel is catching up, so

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, and yeah, it can only be carried by

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<v Speaker 5>big bomber's B two and probably the B fifty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, you fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that means also Dandie's point, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the integrated Air Missile Defense System of

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<v Speaker 1>Aroan before you really conduct these strikes. Right, these are big,

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<v Speaker 1>big aircraft and they're going to be coming in, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the way they do.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're gonna have to They're gonna have to take

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<v Speaker 1>So the best case scenario is they come to the

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<v Speaker 1>table and we come to an agreement that keeps them

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<v Speaker 1>from getting a nuclear agreement, stops them from paying every

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<v Speaker 1>UH militant group in the region to attack its neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>and UH, and it gets sanctions removed off the Iranian

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<v Speaker 1>people so they can join the world economy and do well. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the way we want to go. We shouldn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to end up with the military straight because the question

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<v Speaker 1>is what's the reaction what comes from that? And it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not saying we don't do it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think the diplomatic path forward, which I think the

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<v Speaker 1>administration wants to see, is the path. But it's really

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean in finnis not in finness, but to

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<v Speaker 7>be accurate, you know, Iran's Iran's in a quandary too.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, they've they've lost their missile stockpiles last year,

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<v Speaker 7>their air defenses and regional allies, you know, with downfall

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<v Speaker 7>a facade, and also the demise of hermas has Boller

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<v Speaker 7>one hand, that does make a nuclear option more attractive,

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<v Speaker 7>but on the other hand, they're in a very poor

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<v Speaker 7>position to whether the fallout if they are called in

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<v Speaker 7>the process of dashing for a bomb. And you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the Israelis have shown have demonstrated a remarkable degree of

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<v Speaker 7>penetration of Iran over the last year too, which means

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<v Speaker 7>that the Uranians are probably concerned that they cannot break

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<v Speaker 7>for a breakout without the rest of the world finding out.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, So there are I mean, they've got a

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<v Speaker 7>But he's a he's a weak president with very neat

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<v Speaker 7>You know, even but but those with real power within

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<v Speaker 7>even if if a combined Israeli US strike doesn't achieve

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<v Speaker 7>its objectives, that's still going to leave Iran in a

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<v Speaker 7>in a very poor position from the just from the fallout.

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<v Speaker 7>Iran doesn't broach some kind of negotiated settlement. But to

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<v Speaker 7>are both right inability, But we didn't even try to

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<v Speaker 7>bring pressure in Iran to stop its you know, it's

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<v Speaker 7>great zone activities, use of proxies in the in the

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<v Speaker 7>Middle East and now of course specifically the Huthis are

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and you know, Britain, France and Germany who are

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<v Speaker 7>rarely aligned on Iran, have all said that they would

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<v Speaker 7>be willing to, you know, reimpose just the full gamut

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<v Speaker 7>of pre twenty fifteen sanctions in Iran, and they said that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's recently, as December.

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<v Speaker 7>Focused on on non proliferation. So there's certainly a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of pressure and Iran must be sensing the pressure to negotiate.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've got internal problems too.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, they can probably talk about it better than

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<v Speaker 7>I can, but they, you know, they're dealing with they

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<v Speaker 7>have never been totally impervious, certainly, not in the last

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<v Speaker 7>two decades, not since the Orange Revolution whenever that was

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<v Speaker 7>forget the color. But they've never been impervious to public opinion.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean they have, Yes, their elections are sham elections,

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<v Speaker 7>but they nevertheless, the regime is concerned when there are

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<v Speaker 7>rumblings of discontent, and there are increasing rumblings of discontent

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<v Speaker 7>within Iran. They've got a very highly educated middle class

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<v Speaker 7>that wields probably more power than in most countries in

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<v Speaker 7>the Middle East, or more influence, and they are unhappy.

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<v Speaker 7>They're unhappy with Iran's venturing overseas. They're unhappy with the isolation,

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<v Speaker 7>and they're especially unhappy with the economic situation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, they are very popular and another thing you

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<v Speaker 1>reference as the president actually is more focused internally, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so the EE toll and all the they make all

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<v Speaker 1>the big decisions and nuclear decisions, you know, frolicking overseas

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<v Speaker 1>and IRGC and all that. But they are they are

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<v Speaker 1>a very unpopular regime and Iran. And you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>they do enter into the jig POA two point zero,

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<v Speaker 1>this could be very good for the country which wants it.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's there's a way ahead. That's that's clearly best

422
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<v Speaker 1>for the region and best for Iran, or at least.

423
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<v Speaker 2>They're running people.

424
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<v Speaker 1>But right now the regime seems to be only focused

425
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<v Speaker 1>on the regime, which is what usually regimes focused on.

426
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<v Speaker 6>Uh staying in the area.

427
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 5>Israel start restarted as its military action on Gaza, a

428
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<v Speaker 5>ton of air strikes, ground force movements. They've really liked

429
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<v Speaker 5>U turn the heat up.

430
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<v Speaker 6>I would say.

431
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<v Speaker 5>They've also started bombing southern Lebanons and hesbloup positions as well.

432
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<v Speaker 5>So ceasefire seems to have you know, be gone. Make

433
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<v Speaker 5>what are you looking at there?

434
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So I mean part of this was because Israel

435
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted to extend the first phase of the ceasefire, right

436
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>so that would me and hostages still come out, Palestinian

437
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 1>prisoners are released, and humanitarian aid comes into large quantities.

438
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Hamas wanted to go the second phase because that means

439
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 1>the IDEF has to withdrawal and essentially the war zone

440
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 1>in the third phase, of course, gets into reconstruction all that.

441
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.799
<v Speaker 1>So Nan Yaho wasn't gonna be able to hold his

442
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>coalition if he withdrew the idea. Not that the world

443
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>should care necessarily about Prime Minister of Manyaho's political future,

444
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<v Speaker 1>but that's the reality for him. So Hamas then rejected

445
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 1>the extension. So that's just looking at it from their perspective, right,

446
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>So there's no humanitarian aid coming into Gaza right now.

447
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>That shouldn't happen, but it is. Hamasa doesn't apparently care,

448
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:08.680
<v Speaker 1>right so, because they could extend the first phase and

449
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>they could release hostages that never should have been taken

450
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 1>hostage in the first place, and we could be where

451
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>we are, but they are, so I think because the

452
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>administers came back into the government Smoltritz and Ben Gavir,

453
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<v Speaker 1>there's probably.

454
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<v Speaker 2>A good likelihood that we're not going to see a

455
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<v Speaker 2>ceasefire anytime soon.

456
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they would have came back in without

457
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>talking to that YAHOO and then there's a ceasefire that

458
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>that's the reason why they left in the first place, right,

459
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's my speculation. I don't obviously know anything specific,

460
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>but I think we're going to be set for a

461
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty long, extended period of fighting here. It's in the north,

462
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it's in the central, and it's in the south. I

463
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.559
<v Speaker 1>think the whole time during the two months ceasefire, they

464
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>were collecting intel as I would be too, and preparing

465
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<v Speaker 1>for this phase of the operation. So that's why it

466
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<v Speaker 1>happened so quickly when it did, and that's why it's

467
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>it's quite frankly, been very effective going after you know

468
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.279
<v Speaker 1>which left of the leadership, and I think this is

469
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<v Speaker 1>going to keep going. Israel is set claiming that they're

470
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<v Speaker 1>going to create these humanitarian zones where people in Gaza

471
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 1>would be going to hopefully to receive humanitarian assistance, but

472
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 1>anybody left out would be condeemed, you know, en to

473
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<v Speaker 1>be combatant, and that you know, from a military perspective,

474
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 1>would be easier. But it does appear to be you know,

475
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>serious population control. And then of course we still have

476
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>this these reports that countries have been approached about taking gusins,

477
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:44.079
<v Speaker 1>which again is very impractical and likely unlawful. But that's

478
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 1>where I think we are now. There's also and I know,

479
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, I stick to national security and politics, but

480
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of politics going on in Israel right now.

481
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<v Speaker 2>So there's the beginning of the fighting.

482
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Again, was super unpopular by some Prime Minister Nana, who

483
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<v Speaker 1>has fired shin Bette.

484
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Basically their internal service chief.

485
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Apparently the cabinets now removed the Attorney General. I would

486
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.079
<v Speaker 1>call it a constitutional trisis for Israel, but they don't

487
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:11.759
<v Speaker 1>have a constitution, which is one of the reasons. So

488
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 1>there's there's a lot going on right now, internal strife

489
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 1>inside Israel. You know, the far right thinks that the

490
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.799
<v Speaker 1>judiciary has too much sound familiar, has too much authority.

491
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>The far left thinks, basically Prime Minister of Yanyah who's

492
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.319
<v Speaker 1>went from a traditional conservative to some kind of you know,

493
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 1>French monarch where he gets it in himself, the state right,

494
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the state is meat. That's kind of a I think

495
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>a thumbnail sketch of the current situation, but it does

496
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>affect the war. Right, so this had this could have

497
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>a profound effect on the war and and uh so

498
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that's why I bring it up. But those are what

499
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I see going now Lebanon. Let's hope it doesn't kick

500
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 1>back off. The people love On and certainly people in

501
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Northern Israel, but they have to be able to get control.

502
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>That's one thing that the government in Lebanon has to

503
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>has to get control over the armed factions in Lebanon.

504
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 2>They have to.

505
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>They have to figure it out or UNIFIL needs to

506
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 1>figure out how they can do more, which I don't

507
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 1>have any competence in, but they're literally if they just

508
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>say well it's not us, it's that group of people

509
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.599
<v Speaker 1>that are in Lebanon that are attacking you, then it's

510
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>going to kick back off.

511
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<v Speaker 2>Or are you yeah?

512
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<v Speaker 7>So I mean the war is intimately bound up with

513
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 7>the Israeli politics. You know Netna, who did a number

514
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 7>of things to kind of line this up, forring the

515
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 7>the previous Chief and staff for the Australia Defense Forces

516
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 7>and bringing in Lieutenant General Zamia, who is a I

517
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 7>wouldn't say a net loyalist, but seems to have used

518
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 7>their alignment.

519
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Net Yahoo, and.

520
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 7>Zamir has said, you know, he favors a longer campaign,

521
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 7>bringing armored divisions in on the ground inside Gaza to

522
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 7>rout out Hamas fighters, which is you know, obviously having

523
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 7>a catastrophic effect on the population there.

524
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the.

525
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 7>Repossessing redisplacing population it gained to the so called humanitarian zones,

526
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 7>and you know, infrastructure is pull varized. They've been dealing

527
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 7>with near starvation now for for months. So you know,

528
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 7>again the we shouldn't forget the scale of misery within Gaza.

529
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 7>That doesn't affect Israeli politics, and I think most Israeli

530
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 7>is really that really factors with them. But the deploying

531
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 7>the number of divisions that Zamir envisions for his war

532
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 7>plans is going to have a severe effect in the

533
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 7>Israeli population. It's going to include tens of thousands of

534
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 7>reserve troops who have yet to be mobilized. Okay, with

535
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.400
<v Speaker 7>all the following effects on the economy and disruption of lives,

536
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 7>that will have an effect.

537
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know.

538
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.759
<v Speaker 7>For for Netnia himself, the timing of his fell's renewed

539
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 7>attack on Gaza was politically fortuitous. His coalition was in

540
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 7>danger of losing its majority on the on the eve

541
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.640
<v Speaker 7>of a critical budget vote, and and if that had

542
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.279
<v Speaker 7>failed to pass, and it would have prompted early elections.

543
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 7>And then you know, as Mick talked about, within hours

544
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 7>of the strikes on Gaza, if Meir ben Gavera, who's

545
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.960
<v Speaker 7>an old friend of this program, leader of the far

546
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 7>right Jewish Power Party, and he had had left the

547
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.480
<v Speaker 7>government back in January, and then he returned to the fall,

548
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 7>which indicates, yes, that there was some kind of deal

549
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 7>between him and certain is anxious to rally his base

550
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 7>because of you know, controversial attempt to fire the head

551
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 7>of the shinbad and and the Attorney General their investigations

552
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 7>into Netna whose close aids who are alleged to have

553
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 7>leaked classified documents and receive payments from Cutter, and then

554
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 7>of course the corruption charges against Netnahun himself, right, and then.

555
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:21.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, it could be.

556
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 7>That that Supreme Court could block some of these efforts,

557
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 7>whose efforts political efforts, on the grounds a conflict of interests,

558
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 7>which would again lead to a constitutional crisis, which is

559
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's been building since before the war. Frankly,

560
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 7>I mean, remember uh, the fact that his coalition wanted

561
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.039
<v Speaker 7>to pass sweeping legal reforms to weaken the powers of

562
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.240
<v Speaker 7>the Supreme Court, and all of that was kind of

563
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.960
<v Speaker 7>eclipsed by the war. But it goes bubbling on in

564
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.480
<v Speaker 7>in the in the background. So it does look as though,

565
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, regardless, that there is going to be some

566
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 7>kind of political crisis in Israel, and the the renewed

567
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:11.440
<v Speaker 7>defensive in Gaza provides I'm sure, well, no, I'm sure

568
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 7>provides a welcome distraction to Netnahu and his uh, his proteges.

569
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:20.840
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I remember when the ceasefire first came

571
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 5>into effect or they were like close to it, and

572
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 5>we were talking about the points of it where like

573
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 5>Phase two kind of didn't seem like, uh, really viable

574
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 5>of an option where like the IDF backs out and

575
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 5>then some other magical security force comes in and keeps the.

576
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 6>Law and order and stuff.

577
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.760
<v Speaker 5>So I mean, it's as a cynical person that I am,

578
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.079
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't really seem that shocking that Israel wanted to

579
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 5>extend Phase one because Phase two was.

580
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 6>Fanciful.

581
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's and part of this is the the

582
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world isn't stepping up, right, So yeah,

583
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember when Secretary blanken. Last administration went around asking

584
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>all the countries in the region about a multinational you know,

585
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>peacekeeping force.

586
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 2>If you will. They got a big no.

587
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, So so that's off the table.

588
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.119
<v Speaker 2>So what's what's left?

589
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Is there some kind of version of can they train

590
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, the former Palestinian police? Can they train Palestinians

591
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that are vetted and not associated with AMAS for example

592
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>or pig or jay excuse me, I guess I could

593
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe that should be happening. Seems like something that the

594
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 1>international community could be doing. Or they could go with

595
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 1>a private company, and you know that's there's always issues

596
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>with private security because you know who's who's whose.

597
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Laws do they fall under? Who are they?

598
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, when something bad happens, all of a sudden,

599
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.079
<v Speaker 1>the governments that hired them are pointing at them. So

600
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not saying any of these are easy,

601
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 1>but I mean from Israeli active, they're not going to

602
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.159
<v Speaker 1>turn it back over to AMAS Like that's just not

603
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 1>going to happen.

604
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't care what side of the political.

605
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Spectrum you are in Israel that that solution is a nonstart.

606
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 5>What about the Palestinian authority, because I know there was

607
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 5>some talk about like, no, they're not not them either.

608
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, the reason why the last administration called

609
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>them to revitalized Palestinian stories because largely they're viewed negatively

610
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 1>by the Palestinian people. They are for the most part

611
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.360
<v Speaker 1>ineffective and certainly corrupt. So there has to be some

612
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:34.280
<v Speaker 1>new version of that, and then under that there could

613
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 1>be a trained you know, keep the peace force right.

614
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>It's easier said than done, and you know, I spent

615
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time training partner forces like that. So

616
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but you know, the best way, best day to plant

617
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.320
<v Speaker 1>a tree is twenty years ago. The second best day

618
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>is today. So if they intend is to ever have

619
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a time when the IDF can withdraw and Palestinians can

620
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 1>take care of their own security, which means also Israeli security, right,

621
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.679
<v Speaker 1>so not allowing any group in there totach Israel. It's

622
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 1>got to start. So it doesn't seem like anybody's talk

623
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:07.800
<v Speaker 1>about that.

624
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

625
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 7>So the one interesting thing about a number of interesting

626
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 7>things about what's going on, I mean, the the the ideas.

627
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 7>Really they're not it's not so much well, they are

628
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 7>fighting on forefronts, so they're maintaining a robust presence on

629
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:33.039
<v Speaker 7>four front forefronts that is Gaza, what they are going

630
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 7>on the offensive again southern Syria, you know, beyond the

631
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 7>goal on Heights, maintaining a presence there in accordance with

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<v Speaker 7>net you know, how's the declaration that he did not

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<v Speaker 7>want EHTS pushing south of Damascus. The HDS, of course,

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<v Speaker 7>is the ruling party in Syria now. And then you've

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<v Speaker 7>got the West Bank where the you know, the Israelis

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<v Speaker 7>a mobilized reserve battalions in.

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<v Speaker 2>To bosster their presence in.

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<v Speaker 7>The West Bank, and of course Leban, you know they've

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<v Speaker 7>got five they're maintaining five fortified locations in southern Lebin,

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<v Speaker 7>which by the way, you know, you can look at

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<v Speaker 7>this as you want. You can say it provides, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>in justification the governments provides a buffer zone and for

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<v Speaker 7>the security of Israeli civilians in the north. But on

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<v Speaker 7>the other hand, and the Israelis encountered this during their

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<v Speaker 7>twenty year long occupation of Leban, it provides has Bolla

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<v Speaker 7>caused deter to rise again right to expel the Israeli occupy.

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<v Speaker 7>It as a kind of focus of effort, and it

648
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<v Speaker 7>continues to keep kind of the sheer resentment simmering, so

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<v Speaker 7>you know, it's a double ed sword. The other reason,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's unlikely who knows whether the US administration

651
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<v Speaker 7>will come down on the Israeli government and have them

652
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<v Speaker 7>downscale any of these military presences anytime soon. But the

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<v Speaker 7>pressure is likely to be internal, and it's likely to

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<v Speaker 7>be economic. You know, Israel's economy has suffered hugely since

655
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<v Speaker 7>the events of October the seventh, and they continue doing so.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not we're not just talking about loss of tourism

657
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<v Speaker 7>and all of that. We're talking about the course, the

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<v Speaker 7>cost of the economy of having a significant proportion of

659
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<v Speaker 7>the population mobilized as reservists, and a lot of these

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of the guys in all of these locations

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<v Speaker 7>are are reservists, and as I mentioned earlier, in order

662
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<v Speaker 7>to continue the offensive thing as a gaza, they're going

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<v Speaker 7>to have to mobilize many more reservists. So there's going

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<v Speaker 7>to be there's significant economic pressure to kind of downscale

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<v Speaker 7>these commitments. But there doesn't seem to be an end

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<v Speaker 7>in sight.

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<v Speaker 6>You got anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, pretty sick we covered all that.

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<v Speaker 6>I just want yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Andy, Yeah, I was just saying that there's another aspect

671
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<v Speaker 7>here that Netahu doesn't seem to care about. I think

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<v Speaker 7>probably some of his generals and some of the more

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<v Speaker 7>moderate members of his coalition do too, is the fact

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<v Speaker 7>that they are burning bridges rapidly with two of the

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<v Speaker 7>most important partners in regional partners, partners a strong word.

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<v Speaker 7>But they're neighbors, Egypt and Jordan, and relations have never

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<v Speaker 7>been worse, well, not never, not since seventy three. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>relations have not been worse with those than those two countries,

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<v Speaker 7>and they are now. And there's you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>you can say what you want, and you can pound

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<v Speaker 7>his chest and say with the you know.

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<v Speaker 2>With the biggest bully in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 7>But on the other hand, you if you if you're

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<v Speaker 7>going to burn bridges like that, there's going to be

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<v Speaker 7>a cast. And and it's worth remembering that fifty percent

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<v Speaker 7>of Jordan's population of Palestinians and are incensed about what is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going on in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 7>And there's a long porous border with Jordan. It's quite

689
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<v Speaker 7>easy to cross, and so you know, you can't end

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<v Speaker 7>to end of course there is with Egypt. You can't

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<v Speaker 7>help thinking that that isroll maybe sowing the seeds for

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<v Speaker 7>serious problems over the next decade.

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<v Speaker 5>Jesus, all right, let's uh, let's go a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>more of about this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, let's go to a season ten of Aizon.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll be talking about this happier news. I guess which

697
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<v Speaker 5>I'm joking. The Ukrainian ceasefire. Lots of gone onun sense.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we last spoke. The US and Ukraine came

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<v Speaker 5>together and had to cease fire proposal for thirty days

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<v Speaker 5>to not hit infrastructure, like an energy infrastructure, that didn't

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<v Speaker 5>last more than like four hours. Putin put out his

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<v Speaker 5>own plan, which seems to be, you know, zero concessions

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<v Speaker 5>on his side, obviously, like what to be expected. Why

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<v Speaker 5>would he give up anything when our own side is

705
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<v Speaker 5>the United States anyway, is happily happy to give him

706
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<v Speaker 5>as many concessions as he's like, as he'd like. Trump

707
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<v Speaker 5>and Putin had a two hour phone call the other

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<v Speaker 5>day and a very I'm gonna bring it up, the

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<v Speaker 5>very interesting interview with Tucker Carlson and Steve Whitcoff, where

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<v Speaker 5>Steve Whitcough I mean, was you know, I guess describing

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<v Speaker 5>the relationship between Putin and Trump as being the best

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<v Speaker 5>of friends, and it's just it's kind of wild to

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<v Speaker 5>see that this stuff is coming from inside the house

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<v Speaker 5>where Putin is somehow, some way, uh, somebody who can

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<v Speaker 5>be trusted in any way to negotiate uh, And it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Coming from our own officials for the most part. And it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Disheartening to say the least. And forget it if you're

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<v Speaker 5>from Ukraine, I mean what I mean at that point,

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<v Speaker 5>or Europe. So that's just me, Yeah, running my mouth, Nick,

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<v Speaker 5>what do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll try to start with one positive is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least we're talking, right, because you're never gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>to a ceized part negotiated settlement without talking. And the

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<v Speaker 1>other point is you know Ukraine is not losing, right,

725
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, talk about a group that's been completely underestimated

726
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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning till now, and there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 1>plausible way ahead if Europe steps up that even if

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<v Speaker 1>the US steps out, which would be a huge mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>not just for Ukraine and our status in the world,

730
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<v Speaker 1>but for all our relationships going forward. Who deem as

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<v Speaker 1>a completely unreliable allied partner. But there is a way

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<v Speaker 1>that Ukraine can stay.

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<v Speaker 2>In the fight. I won't be easy.

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<v Speaker 1>But Russia's losing so many troops right now that even

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<v Speaker 1>though they could care less about the that personally, it

736
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<v Speaker 1>eventually runs out and they're gaining very little terrain with

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of expenditure of force on the On the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of the seas far, essentially, Russia rejected the seas

739
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<v Speaker 1>far proposal by the United States. You know, we keep saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they said yes, and then said, but only infrastructure, energy infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>and by energy infrastructure, I mean our infrastructure, because they

742
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<v Speaker 1>immediately turned around intacked Ukrainian energy and infrastructure. And really

743
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<v Speaker 1>the only reason why they're focused on energy infrastructure is

744
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<v Speaker 1>because Ukraine has been incredibly effective against targeting Russian energy

745
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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure and they only have a one track economy energy infrastructure.

746
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<v Speaker 1>So he wanted that because that's the one thing that

747
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<v Speaker 1>would advantage him. And then all the other things you said,

748
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<v Speaker 1>He's it's complete maximists, giveaway nothing, asked for everything, and

749
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<v Speaker 1>then try to get the other side to fight each other.

750
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<v Speaker 1>They're beyond getting the other side to fight each other

751
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<v Speaker 1>because they literally have a special envoy repeating Russian talking points,

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<v Speaker 1>which even I mean, obviously we should be on the

753
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<v Speaker 1>side of the Ukraine. But even if we're just a mediator,

754
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<v Speaker 1>you don't repeat any sides talking points. That's not the point,

755
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<v Speaker 1>right you go in, especially in public as a mediator,

756
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<v Speaker 1>you just keep talking about the in state, but you

757
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<v Speaker 1>also don't talk about what's called, you know, for the

758
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<v Speaker 1>policy walks out there. It was a final status issues,

759
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<v Speaker 1>that's what's supposed to come out the other end. You

760
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<v Speaker 1>don't talk about it publicly because that's the whole point

761
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<v Speaker 1>of the negotiation process. So, you know, obviously not taking

762
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<v Speaker 1>advice from me, but you know, I would advise that

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<v Speaker 1>we are openly for Ukraine because there are partners and

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<v Speaker 1>we did promise them security guarantees back in nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>and that General Kellogg should be running this thing as

766
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<v Speaker 1>he was, but at the very least, stop talking about

767
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<v Speaker 1>it publicly, Stop stop issuing declarations on final status issues,

768
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<v Speaker 1>and start coming up with sticks for Russia because they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going forward with this. And as we start talking

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<v Speaker 1>additional sanctions, enhanced security assistance, so more not just what

771
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<v Speaker 1>we were given, but more, and then you know, whatever

772
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<v Speaker 1>else we can come up with for sticks and then

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<v Speaker 1>give Russia a reason to come to the table, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>start losing terrain. If we double down on our security assistance,

775
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>they'll start losing the funding to pay for the North

776
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<v Speaker 1>Korean troops, the Iranian drones if we further damage their

777
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<v Speaker 1>economy through sanctions. So that's how you get across to Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't You could complement them all day long. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>be happy with that, but it's not going to make

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<v Speaker 1>it hell of beans. They only stand understand consequences, and

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<v Speaker 1>if there's no consequence, then they're just going to drag

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<v Speaker 1>this out until And the last point that I make

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<v Speaker 1>is in Prime Minister Maloney made this so the conservative

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<v Speaker 1>Italian Prime minister. The only reason why Russia cares about

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<v Speaker 1>security guarantees is because they intend to attack Ukraine. Right,

786
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<v Speaker 1>If you don't intend to reattack Ukraine, then what do

787
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<v Speaker 1>you care about security guarantees or it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think Europe's waking up, and that's a good thing,

790
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and they should have woke up a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to work on their own defense, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to quadruple down if they need to

793
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<v Speaker 1>on Ukraine because it's definitely in their interest to stop

794
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<v Speaker 1>putin in its tracks in Ukraine and eventually you get

795
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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine into the European Union and then whatever version comes

796
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<v Speaker 1>out of NATO, if that's really where we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Headed, which would be a mistake if we leave it.

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<v Speaker 1>One more point of that, if we actually get Europe

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where it is an extraordinarily effective military force,

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<v Speaker 1>all paying twice as much as they used to pay

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<v Speaker 1>on their own defense, and then leave NATO, that would be,

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<v Speaker 1>from a strategic perspective, incredibly short sighted. We would literally

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<v Speaker 1>have to make up in our defense budget where we

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<v Speaker 1>just cut ourselves away.

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<v Speaker 2>From them by leaving the NATO.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I don't think it's going to happen, but since

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<v Speaker 1>people like to talk about this so much, it would

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<v Speaker 1>make no sense from the U from solely the US perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>to leave an entity that's now an incredibly effective fighting force,

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<v Speaker 1>which Europeans will will be one day.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, off the soapbox.

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<v Speaker 4>Andy, Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>You know the problem is I make and I agree

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<v Speaker 7>on two manch stuff. So I'm not going to You know,

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<v Speaker 7>I couldn't word it better than McK did you know?

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<v Speaker 7>I agree with him in all those counts, So I'll

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<v Speaker 7>put I'll just approach this from a very different and

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<v Speaker 7>perhaps a personal level. So first of all, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not going to rail away about the you know,

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<v Speaker 7>are my concern about the fact that we to be

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<v Speaker 7>coosing up to put in my feelings about the Russian

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<v Speaker 7>so well known and and maybe I'm just overly emotional

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<v Speaker 7>because they did try to kill me on a on

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<v Speaker 7>a number of occasions, and I take that very personally.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, to mixed point about Europe stepping up

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<v Speaker 7>to the plate, I think and actually playing the mature

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<v Speaker 7>party in all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's you know, spot on.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, it just is a as as a comment too,

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<v Speaker 7>because invariably, and I read when I read the comments

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<v Speaker 7>about our appearances on on on ice on, and we've

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<v Speaker 7>got some great supporters, and we've got some people who

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<v Speaker 7>reappear and or and I call them supporters too, but

834
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<v Speaker 7>they're kind of they're motivated by hatred and resentment, and

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<v Speaker 7>they really critique us increasingly for our lack of loyalty

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<v Speaker 7>to the United States, which seems to be absurd that

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<v Speaker 7>I would like to comment on about this, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>this whole DISCUSSI about what the defense of Ukraine stands for,

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<v Speaker 7>et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I spent thirty one years in uniform, fourteen

842
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.679
<v Speaker 7>wars on the behalf of the United States, from Mogot

843
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 7>issue all the way through to the fight against ISIS.

844
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 2>And you know, one.

845
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:23.079
<v Speaker 7>Thing that that I never really, never really made sense

846
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 7>to me is when people thanked me for defending our freedom,

847
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 7>because our freedom has never has never been a threat.

848
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 7>This country has not been, not during my lifetime. And

849
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 7>you know, while I certainly acknowledge and appreciate the thank

850
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 7>you for your service and all that, but this constant

851
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.440
<v Speaker 7>talk about how we're defending the freedom of the United

852
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.079
<v Speaker 7>States was all bullshit. When it comes down to it,

853
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.320
<v Speaker 7>we were doing well we had to do. You know,

854
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:58.639
<v Speaker 7>I'm not undermining the patriotism of my comrades and arms,

855
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.840
<v Speaker 7>but we were doing what we had to do on

856
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.199
<v Speaker 7>behalf of our country, on behalf of the national interest.

857
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:08.679
<v Speaker 7>But we weren't defending freedom at all. Ukrainians are defending freedom, Okay,

858
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:10.599
<v Speaker 7>maybe not of the United States but of Europe. And

859
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 7>they're defending ideals that I sometimes found difficult to align

860
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 7>with what we were doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. That

861
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:23.400
<v Speaker 7>is why it makes sense for guys like Nate fans

862
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 7>who we interviewed the other day, or do myself with

863
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.719
<v Speaker 7>the guys and the Mozart group who have been in

864
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 7>Ukraine when we were doing what we did. And you know,

865
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 7>that's probably what I need to say on this and

866
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 7>why it makes perfect.

867
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Sense now.

868
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 7>Continue. It continues to make perfect sense that Europe is

869
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:44.679
<v Speaker 7>stepping up to the plane and that it makes no

870
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 7>sense at all to rely on putin all the Russians

871
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 7>to hold the peace. I mean, you don't even have

872
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 7>to be a student of history. You just have to

873
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.639
<v Speaker 7>read the news over the last decade or so to

874
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.760
<v Speaker 7>understand that. And it probably brings me sounding like an

875
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 7>angry you know, whenever I read listeners. But you know,

876
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 7>I think a lot of the problems with this closing

877
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.480
<v Speaker 7>up to rush right now, and I'm watching the well

878
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 7>sterer of weirdness on social media. It comes from people

879
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 7>who are really, really fucking ignorant and just don't They

880
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 7>don't even read recent history, they don't understand geopolitics. That's

881
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.320
<v Speaker 7>really what it comes down to. And it's sad and

882
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:32.960
<v Speaker 7>it's but the isolationism in the last century has not

883
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.280
<v Speaker 7>well worked well for the United States, and it worked

884
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.800
<v Speaker 7>well now that is all.

885
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And if I can make one point on it

886
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 1>what Andy just said. You know, as far as you

887
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>know patriotism versus the alternative being I guess treachery that

888
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 1>was well, look at it. Your patriotism or lack thereof,

889
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>has to do with your fidelity to the Constitution and

890
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 1>your service of the country, right, So.

891
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:01.159
<v Speaker 2>You could be.

892
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, Mark Kelly to use the example of somebody

893
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>who's calling the trader obviously isn't or Mike wols right,

894
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.679
<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't be you're based on your political position. If

895
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 1>that's the case, that's not patriotism. That is that is uh,

896
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 1>that's just partisanism. And you know that's the way I

897
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 1>view it. So if you're calling somebody a trader because

898
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 1>you disagree with them politically, I mean you might want

899
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 1>to redefine your definition of patriotism. And that's not just

900
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>what you know, names we recognize. But you know, obviously

901
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of friends that served, in fact

902
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 1>most of them, and they're from across the political spectrum, right,

903
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 1>But I don't I don't define their service to their

904
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:42.800
<v Speaker 1>country or their status as a patriot or not based

905
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 1>on you know, whether they're far right, far left, or

906
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the center. If you do, then we just

907
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 1>fundamentally disagree on the definition.

908
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Of the word.

909
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, very well said by both of you, guys. I

910
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:02.199
<v Speaker 5>have a question. There is a prevailing thought that I'm

911
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 5>seeing that the Russian economy, now how it's constituted because

912
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 5>of the war, is heavily reliant on the war continuing,

913
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.159
<v Speaker 5>and that might be a reason why Putin is apprehensive

914
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.800
<v Speaker 5>to make a deal. I think that's bullshit, but that

915
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.639
<v Speaker 5>is a pf prevailing thought that's going on right now

916
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.559
<v Speaker 5>because at some point, I mean, you lose enough, guys,

917
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 5>I mean, what is your economy without the people in

918
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.280
<v Speaker 5>it to work it.

919
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.400
<v Speaker 1>In next generation? I mean, I don't know. I'd like

920
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 1>to hear somebody who kind of thought that through. I'd

921
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:41.239
<v Speaker 1>be interested to hear from somebody who knows more about

922
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.400
<v Speaker 1>economies economics than I do, but explain it.

923
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

924
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 1>I do think right now he thinks he's he could

925
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.199
<v Speaker 1>still gain territory, and potentially I think that's one of

926
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 1>the reasons.

927
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.920
<v Speaker 2>But if this is another, I'd like to hear it.

928
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 7>You know, Yeah, I don't. I haven't heard that d

929
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.159
<v Speaker 7>And to me on it, I'm not an economists, but

930
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 7>it simply doesn't make sense. You know, the the economy

931
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:10.079
<v Speaker 7>is taking a shell acking, and I think it's I mean,

932
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.360
<v Speaker 7>I think it's just much more basic than that. Putin

933
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.760
<v Speaker 7>has staked everything on this war. It was his war,

934
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:21.800
<v Speaker 7>you know, it was a it was gru war in

935
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 7>FSB war. It was not a military you know, his

936
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.239
<v Speaker 7>military weren't telling him to do it. They were pretty

937
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.119
<v Speaker 7>docile in the face of it. But there is has

938
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 7>been since the outset of the war increasing resentment against

939
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 7>the administration, administration regime from within the military. Remember Progosians

940
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 7>kind of attempted coup and the fact that he was

941
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.159
<v Speaker 7>he was almost embraced by many within the army's leadership.

942
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 7>Putin knows that he must know that, and he knows

943
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 7>that his position is precarious if he cannot, if he

944
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.760
<v Speaker 7>cannot show some gains from this war, you know, I mean,

945
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:04.360
<v Speaker 7>he hasn't here to begin with. For the first eighteen

946
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.440
<v Speaker 7>months of the war, he was more or less able

947
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 7>to kind of isolate the Russian public from the effects

948
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 7>of casualties. But the war is becoming increasingly is increasingly unpopular,

949
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 7>and he's had to take increasingly draconian measures to stamp

950
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 7>down on our position. If it is shown subsequently the

951
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 7>up outcome is shown to be anything but a victory,

952
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:38.480
<v Speaker 7>he looks very poor, indeed, And again you don't you know,

953
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 7>however strong right insulated, he may feel. Just to look

954
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:50.159
<v Speaker 7>at again post Soviet Union, Russian history shows that you

955
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:54.880
<v Speaker 7>as a leader, you've got to be dynamic, dynamic in Russia,

956
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 7>in other words, having success either with the economy or

957
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 7>in some other way, or or you're gonna you're gonna

958
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 7>sink and someone's gonna come after you. And and Putin

959
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 7>knows that that is why he wants to prolong the wall.

960
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.079
<v Speaker 7>As long as there is a war, there is something

961
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.880
<v Speaker 7>to focus on. There's something to focus his uh, his

962
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:20.239
<v Speaker 7>repressive measures within the country on, something to justify to

963
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:24.960
<v Speaker 7>find them by without the wall. Once it ends, uh,

964
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:28.320
<v Speaker 7>there's this, there's going to be a backlash. And he

965
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 7>knows that.

966
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:36.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, very well said. I have one more question

967
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:38.400
<v Speaker 6>having to do with Russia.

968
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 5>I've heard and there is another thought that the reason

969
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:47.239
<v Speaker 5>why we're trying to reset things with Russia is because

970
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 5>we want to drive a stake in between Russia and China.

971
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 5>And that's why we're doing that. That's why we're being

972
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.920
<v Speaker 5>buddy more buddy buddy with Russia. I agree that I

973
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:03.360
<v Speaker 5>feel that's bullshit as well.

974
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 1>But it's always it's been a long term, uh, policy

975
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:11.119
<v Speaker 1>objective of the United States, the Sino Soviet split, going

976
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:14.039
<v Speaker 1>back to you know, Kissinger and all that. It it's

977
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:16.199
<v Speaker 1>not a bad idea, especially you're in the Soviet Union

978
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:21.519
<v Speaker 1>times Cold War. It's not gonna work. I mean, it's

979
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 1>just not and and and of course ours is going

980
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.119
<v Speaker 1>to cycle, right, so we'll have well, we haven't really

981
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 1>ever had anybody who's pro Russian as president, so let's

982
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 1>say that. But as its cycles, we're not going to

983
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:34.960
<v Speaker 1>stay consistent.

984
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Put it that way.

985
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Uh, the Soviet in in China, I mean, excuse me,

986
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the Russian in China leadership probably gonna stay is consistent,

987
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 1>considering their autocrats. So it's just it's just not gonna work.

988
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think we could try to drive a wedge,

989
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 1>but we just have to be realistic and the fact

990
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's never actually worked, and that cozing up to

991
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:02.280
<v Speaker 1>the Russians is only going to last as long as

992
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 1>it's at advantage to the Russians. So I looked up

993
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 1>how many times Russias invaded a country since like nineteen

994
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.119
<v Speaker 1>forty I think nineteen thirty, late thirties. It's like eleven

995
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:19.000
<v Speaker 1>times and including two countries twice, one on b in Ukraine.

996
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.559
<v Speaker 1>So like the idea that you can trust these folks

997
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:27.599
<v Speaker 1>for a ceasefire, I mean it just defies you know, Wikipedia,

998
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 1>just google it, look it up, right. So, I mean

999
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the past is prologus, man. So if you want to

1000
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:35.679
<v Speaker 1>see what they have done in the past, when they've

1001
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.079
<v Speaker 1>signed agreements or said they wouldn't do something and then

1002
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:42.599
<v Speaker 1>did there it is, so be careful who you buddy

1003
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.000
<v Speaker 1>up to. It's it is not in our interest, never

1004
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:50.199
<v Speaker 1>has been, and at least with somebody like Putin in charge,

1005
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:50.719
<v Speaker 1>it won't be.

1006
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.280
<v Speaker 7>The fact that anyone actually believes that coosing up to

1007
00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 7>Russia's going to help us against China. It's just shows

1008
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.119
<v Speaker 7>a level of ignorance that's beyond comfort hension, you know.

1009
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.760
<v Speaker 7>I mean, let's just be clear. Russia is a second rate,

1010
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.599
<v Speaker 7>ten part fucking autocracy. It's a paper tiger, Okay, China

1011
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.400
<v Speaker 7>is a powerhouse. We do need to be concerned about China,

1012
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.559
<v Speaker 7>But dividing a wedge between the two countries as Mick

1013
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 7>pointed out, is impractical and b does us no good

1014
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.679
<v Speaker 7>at all, and certainly not by closing up to Russia.

1015
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:29.000
<v Speaker 7>You know, I mean, let's you know, Russia's our adversary.

1016
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 7>You know we've said this before. Russia is not our friend,

1017
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 7>all right, NATO the country's and NATO are our friend.

1018
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 7>The country's are NATO, as we talked about before. But

1019
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.679
<v Speaker 7>I was just remind people because apparently there are still

1020
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.920
<v Speaker 7>those who don't understand NATO. The only time they've activated

1021
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.559
<v Speaker 7>Article five in NATO was in the defense of the

1022
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.119
<v Speaker 7>United States, and by the way, that was that was

1023
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.679
<v Speaker 7>a very generous extrapolation on those countries part so that

1024
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:58.199
<v Speaker 7>they could come to our aid in Iraq and Afghanistan.

1025
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.400
<v Speaker 7>It's just you know, I mean what Canada's.

1026
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Are in me now?

1027
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, right in Russia's economy is about

1028
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:15.440
<v Speaker 1>half of that of California. Yeah, if we want these folks,

1029
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.960
<v Speaker 1>which have zero to trade to be our primary trading partners,

1030
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.119
<v Speaker 1>were in a lot of problems.

1031
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:28.440
<v Speaker 2>They are everything that Andy just said, and I just

1032
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:29.320
<v Speaker 2>need to be careful with this.

1033
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:31.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1034
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:33.239
<v Speaker 6>Again, I didn't believe that.

1035
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying what I've been hearing in terms of

1036
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.800
<v Speaker 5>like other shows and folks that think they're like folks

1037
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:41.239
<v Speaker 5>that are.

1038
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 6>In this sphere.

1039
01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:44.400
<v Speaker 5>I guess I've heard that a few times, and I'm

1040
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.280
<v Speaker 5>just like, how does that make fucking sense? I mean,

1041
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 5>you just look at like a guy like Medvedev, who

1042
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.599
<v Speaker 5>was like the president there for a little bit while

1043
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:54.719
<v Speaker 5>putn was, you know, running things in the background before

1044
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:57.760
<v Speaker 5>he changed the constitution in Russia. You know, it looked

1045
01:01:57.760 --> 01:01:59.719
<v Speaker 5>like there was like a great relationship with team and

1046
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:03.559
<v Speaker 5>him and Obama. You see him now, he's full on cuoo,

1047
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:08.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, full on crazy warmonger dude, tweeting off, shooting

1048
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:11.159
<v Speaker 5>off tweets that are like insane if you read them.

1049
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Speaker 5>And the fact is we've talked about this before. Andy,

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<v Speaker 5>you said it like he was full of shit. Then

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<v Speaker 5>just like he's you know, this is who he really is,

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<v Speaker 5>and this is how Russians, the Russian power you know,

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<v Speaker 5>power players, really do it like they're full of shit.

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<v Speaker 4>For the most part.

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<v Speaker 7>It just frightens me the level of ignorance, honestly, I

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<v Speaker 7>mean within our own country. And I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know if it's the education system. I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>if it's the fact that we feel insulated by two oceans,

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<v Speaker 7>even in this area of globalization. But just kind of

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<v Speaker 7>the it's it's more than lack of education. It's just

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<v Speaker 7>kind of lack of real interest. And it's as though

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<v Speaker 7>we just don't pay attention to what's going on in

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<v Speaker 7>the world collectively. And it's it's quite it has frightening

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<v Speaker 7>consequences at times. And watch there'll be a deluge of

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<v Speaker 7>people critics accusing me now of being a trader and

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<v Speaker 7>undermining the United States and being a US hater and etcetera, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 7>against whom you know. I will again remind you, guys

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<v Speaker 7>that I spent thirty one years in uniform defending defending freedom,

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<v Speaker 7>but on the behalf of the United States, and obviously

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<v Speaker 7>obviously in a real term, say patriot.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, boys, that was spicy. I like getting Andy worked

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<v Speaker 5>up and read how he makes for good good podcast listening. Well, Tom,

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<v Speaker 5>don't forget to check out the show to subscribe to

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<v Speaker 6>Like the show.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're listening to us an audio, rat it and

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<v Speaker 5>subscribe there. Andy millerburn When the Tempest Gathers a tremendous book.

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<v Speaker 5>Read it. The link is in the description as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Any and all of his links to Twitter, just any

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<v Speaker 5>link that you want to find Andy, It's in the description.

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<v Speaker 5>Mick Molroy, Lobo fog Bo doing great work. All of

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<v Speaker 5>his links are in the description as well. If you

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<v Speaker 5>want to follow Mick on social media, links are in

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great rest of your Sunday.
