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let's dive in to today's episode. So welcome to the show,
Lynn k Russell, Heyden, Lynn, Hi, how are you doing.
Thank you so much for coming on the show. I
am excited to talk to you and go deep down
the ND rabbit hole with you.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what I do.
Speaker 1: Yes. You know, near death experiences, So near death experiences
have been a big part of this show for a
long time. I think my very one of my very
first ones was Dan and Brinkley, who's also been around
for a while. I think he was my very first
near death experience and when I heard his story, I
was just like, you got hit by lightning three times
and he went to the other side and it was
a pretty remarkable. And then I kept getting more and
more of them on the show, and I kept talking
to them and talking to them and it was fascinating.
And I've heard of near death experiences, but I was
really really fascinating. And every once in a while I
get to talk to someone like yourself who's interviewed or
had contact with thousands and thousands of near death experiences.
But before we go down that rabbit hole, what got
you interested in this field of study?
Speaker 2: Well, just normal things. I was frightened of death, and
so I wanted to know what happened when you die.
And I had just retired, and I had spent my
life looking at spirituality and religions, and I think it
just was seeking truth, whatever that might be. And I
had been raised by atheists, so I had no background
or preconceived notions at all. So I really felt very,
very open to almost any concepts that for me. And
so that's what I did for about seventy years now.
But then when I retired, I had all guns of
time and I was on the NDERF chat line and
doctor Long asked for somebody to do research for him,
and I thought, perfect timing. So that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you worked with doctor Jeffrey Long, who was on
the show as well, and he's one of those amazing
researchers in this space who really helped shine a light
along with Raymond Moody and a handful of others who've
done that now in your in your So, yeah, you
didn't have any programming, as I call it, no preconceived
dogmas or anything like that walking into this. So you
didn't oh, well, if I do this, am I going
to go to hell? Or am I or am I
going to do this? Or am I going to upset
that God? You were just like very wide open.
Speaker 2: Yes, very very and actually I really appreciate that. At
the time, I wasn't sure because it was very confusing,
but I'm very grateful.
Speaker 1: Now. What was the biggest surprise that you found when
you started to do researches on your death experiences.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that hit me the most was
the oneness. And in the beginning of my book, I
talk about an ste a spiritually transformative experience that I had,
and that experience was on oneness, and it sort of
put that in fronted me to be able to go
in that direction, and so I think that that was
the thing. I didn't understand it for a long time.
I thought it just meant that we were similar, or
you know, I was one as another human being. But
now I've gotten to the point where I understand that
one means one. There's one soul, one entity, one being
that is the consciousness of the universe and we are it.
Speaker 1: Well, when you said you had an ste can you
explain what can you tell me that story of what
happened to you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sure, yes, I'd love to do.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: What happened was I was a single parent. I had
three children too, no way, they were three, four and five, four,
five and six. That's the two older ones. Yeah, in
the afternoon, and the two older ones were in school
and the youngest one was down from the afternoon now.
And that was significant because my kids were very active,
and so the fact that it was always I had
three experiences on completely different days. I had no idea
they were coming, or I would have noticed. And so
the first experience, I'm doing dishes, and as I say,
the place is quite quiet, and there's a window above
my sink and I can see into the yard, and
in the yard there's a tree, an apple tree, and
so I'm just looking at the tree and I'm really
not thinking about anything, and all of a sudden, I
became the tree. And it was like my consciousness was
taken over and I literally became that tree, and the
tree was me. There was no separation at all, and
I was every kind of life form that I could
think of. I was the bird in the tree. I
was I bunked that the bird was going to eat.
I was everything and other kinds of animals. And that
was the end of the experience. It was like maybe
thirty seconds long. I mean, I didn't time it, so
I don't know, but I'm guessing it. And then the
next experience was a few days later, and this time
I'm wiping fingerprints off the whole wall and and I'm
just looking at them all and again I'm not thinking
of anything, and the place is quiet, and all of
a sudden, I'm seeing an atom with the electrons going around,
and then I see our solar system with the Sun
and the planet's going around. And then that expanded to
our galaxy and sister galaxies what I call sister I
think they're called clusters, but anyway, so it was like
micro to the macro universe. And while I'm getting this
into this expansion, I'm getting messages that this didn't just happen,
that there was order and planning and an intelligence behind
it all, and that was really cool. I really enjoyed that.
But then I got a message that I really did
not like at all, and that was the end of
the experience. And that message was that my being was
intricately connected with the operation of the universe, and I
couldn't get that. That scared me because I thought, what
do you mean, what am I supposed to do? I'm
really like this was in seventy three, so nineteen seventy three,
so I really had no idea about any of this
kind of thing. And then another thing that happened again,
as I say, that was the end of that experience.
And then a few days later, I'm in the living
room picking up toys and tidying up, and I felt
a presence in the room with me, and there was
it was like I couldn't see anything. I could just
see my living room. That was it. But there was
more love, like it was like I was being surrounded
and impregnated with more love than I can ever imagine.
And it felt like I was connected somehow to this
whatever I called it positive energy force. So to this
positive energy force, I felt like I mis connected. And
then I heard words very clearly that said, this is
where you came from and this is where you will return.
And that was the last of my experiences. But that
one taught me that not to be so afraid frightened
of death because you know, this was such a beautiful experience. Hey, when.
Speaker 1: So this is years years before you started doing research
and near death experience. We'll be right back after a
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Speaker 2: It was during my experience. I started researching when I
was sixteen, and this was when I was mid thirties.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have been Oh so you've been doing
this work for quite some time.
Speaker 2: Yes, seventy seventy years this year.
Speaker 1: Wow, so you've really seen He's really gone down the
deep rabbital. It's fascinating because at those those years, I'm
not even sure if NDEs were I think the first
time Raymond Moody coined the phrase was what in the
late seventies, right, So that was fine, Yeah, seventy mid seventies,
seventy five when he when he said it. But the
thing is that how having these mystical experiences at that
time there weren't shows like this, there weren't books talking
about it, so you were pretty I can imagine you
being a little bit afraid of what was coming at
you to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I before that, when I was so
frightened of death, that was what the whole thing was about.
I wanted to find out what happened when you died.
And my mother, being an atheist, had told me I
just disappear, and I was an eight year old.
Speaker 1: But you told me that that's terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't disappear, and so I wanted to
find a bitter answer. And that was the beginning of
my studies, and then that branched out from there to
to And it was only in those days because they're
going back to the nineteen fifties and so in those
days was only religion. There was no spiritual kind of
thinking at all, and so I studied all the religions
and their histories, and what I found out I was
looking for was truth. That was That's what it got
down to. I was searching truth.
Speaker 1: So from your experience, what are some common themes that
you see across all near death experiences?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's many, many, many, but one of the big
ones is that when people there's two or three. But
first of all, we create our own experiences. The death
experience is what we think should happen. So that's point one.
So that's why the variation between them and why different
cultures will have different kinds of experiences is because we
created the other thing was that almost universe. Everybody would
feel this oneness. They didn't call it that, some did,
some didn't, but they would say I felt like I
was connected to everything and everything was connected to me.
You know. They really were very flown away by that.
That was that was very significant for quite a few people.
Speaker 1: And so the idea, and I love that you brought
this up because I get this asked. I get questions
like this all the time. But when people find out
that I do a show like this, they're fascinated with
near death experiences and what happens. And because there's not
a soul on the planet who doesn't think about, hey,
what happens after you die? Like we're all going there,
you know, Like I always joke around, everybody wants to
go to heaven, just not right now. But the thing
that I love that you said is that you construct
your own near death experience because there are because a
lot of people who are you know, who like have
a problem swallowing near death experiences, understanding or even comprehending them,
will say well, it's not all peaches and unicorns and
rainbows on the other side. Look, there's these other people
who went to hell, went to a hellish experience on
the other side. And to my understanding and also from
the right, straight from the horse's mouth, I've had a
few people who come on the show who've had negative
or hellish like experiences. Generally, I'm gonna say ninety eight
ninety nine percent are all positive or neutral in one way,
shape or from. The hellish or negative experiences are extremely rare.
But from what they told me is like my belief
system made me believe that I needed to go down
into a hellish experience. And once I was down there,
once I decided I didn't want to be there anymore,
Jesus an angel light came and took her, took him
to where we all go in the other space. So
it was kind of like this self imposed hell prison,
if you will, or negative prison. Is that what you've
come across as well? Well?
Speaker 2: The people I had quite a few of the hellish
experience as well, And what I have found is that
that's what they thought they should have their image of
themselves or their you know, their training or whatever they
created that as well, because some people were taken out
of that experience before they came back, and when they
were at the positive place after they've been taken out,
they said, what is that all about? And they were
told repeatedly that that was your creation. You did that
because that's what you thought you should have. The other
piece of the business of recreating our death experiences is
that it's exactly the same way we create this experience
our life.
Speaker 1: Dive into that a little bit, Yeah, dive into that
a little bit. That's a very powerful statement.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because we are we are source. That the
bottom line is we are source and there's and so
we are magnificent. We can create and do anything we
put our mind to do. And I know that people
say that and it just sounds like a lot of
good words, but it's true, It's really true. And so
and so we are source and we create this experience
from the point of view of being source. As a
matter of fact, source is okay, So how do I
explain this? We never left source. We are at this
point right within source and we are thinking and creating
this experience second by second, moment by moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, without question. And when you are creating this one
of my favorite ND stories. I don't even remember which
episode it was, but he said, and I always I
always joke around that Jesus is the hardest working man
in show business because he shows up to a lot
of a lot of MDes, especially in the West, and
people who don't even know or study Jesus still show up.
And there was this atheist who died, and when he
went to the other side, Jesus was there in a
three piece suit with his hair pulled back. And he goes,
what it was just brilliant, which was brilliant, And he goes,
he knew who of Jesus. He's just never follow him
because he thought he was an atheist. He goes, Jesus,
are if that's you, why are you dressed like that?
He goes, well, you come from the business world. You
wouldn't take me seriously if I showed up in a
toga and I was like wow. So that was a
literal construction of of that. So let me ask you.
Let's walk through the path of a near death experience
step by step if we killed. So once the body
leaves or the soul leaves the body, there is a tunnel.
Sometimes there's a tunnel. Sometimes there's not a light, depending
on the culture, depending on where it is. But one
of the very common themes is that you're you're welcomed
by someone. Someone is there to help you to the
other side. It could be a deity, could be Buddha,
could be Jesus. I read somewhere in an ancient chin
and ancient Chinese lore that politicians, terrifying as that is,
politicians would show up to guide them through the other side.
Apparently it was a different part of that different culture
at that time. But then the but then there's your
relatives or an aunt or uncle, or even a friend
from just a random friend from school in third grade,
that you recognize these kind of things. Is that what
you found? Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes. Not everybody is greeted by someone, but ninety
percent of the people are. Yes, you're right, except our
hellish people they're not. Also, they're not greeted. Usually they
just have bad experiences. But yes, the ones who have
positive experiences, I would say ninety percent of those are
greeted by someone who's path And the reason why is
because we are so steeped and this is really important,
we are so steeped into being human, like all of
our consciousness is being put into this experience, and so
we don't understand that. I mean, we have complete amnesia
when we come here, and so we don't understand our
reality and we don't understand what's happening to us. We
have all these myths about death and so on, and
so we really it's a good idea to have a
guide or else loved ones to help us through. And so, yeah,
that's quite true. Some people go directly to wherever they're
going to wind up. Other people are in outer space
for a while. Some people go to the void, so
there's different methods of getting there.
Speaker 1: But yes, we'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show. And it
is and the loved ones or the deities are there
to pretty much help you with the transition, because, like
you're saying, it is a very jarring jump out of
it's essentially coming out of like a deep deep water
in the middle of the ocean and coming into the light.
It's extremely jarring to your and to my understanding. It's
also very confusing. Sometimes you don't even know that you've died,
and and you need someone there to kind of hey,
it's gonna be okay, And they literally walk you through
many times to the next to the next stage.
Speaker 3: Correct, yeah, that's right, yes, yes, and so so they
help you and and it just as I said, we
create our own experience, so we also create who meets us?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah? And it could and again on aunts, uncles,
animals do animals and have you experienced that animals or
pets are there as well as a transitional?
Speaker 2: Sure your favorite pet, yep, for sure.
Speaker 1: All that stuff comes in. So when you're so now
you've you've got a transition, either you're with somebody or
you're not with somebody. But then you're going to the
next stage. And that next stage varies dramatically from crystal
crystal castles to full cities to a green, a pasture,
a forest. I mean, I've heard all of it, you know,
all these different kinds of things. But from what I understand,
one of the next stages, and not every stage, is
the life review. Can you dive into your experiences from
your research on the life review and the meaning it
truly has for us? Here?
Speaker 2: Okay, and before I go onto the light review, let's
go back after I finished that and talk about other
kinds of experiences other than.
Speaker 1: So let's go. So let's go. So let's go into
those first, and then we'll go into the life review.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, So well, yes, many many, many people.
Because we are steeped in this existence. We we see
ourselves as as physical and we continue to see ourselves physical.
We've seen our body lying there, but we take a
body with us in the ethereal body, and we created
an ethereal world and that's our creation. So whatever, it's
our favorite place, I want to go to the beach.
So those are those are the kind of experiences. But
there's another experience that even goes much much deeper, and
these are people who enter into the light. Now there's
two levels of that. There's those who enter into the
light continue to see themselves as themselves and experiencing personal experiences,
and then leave and communicate with the light, because the
light is as a being with intelligence and great sense
of humor. So but the other thing is that people
will become the light. They melt and absolutely are the light,
and when they're there, they become creators with the light,
and they can go back to the beginning of the beginning,
of the beginning, and there you know, I mean, there
is no real beginning, but back to the beginning of
our our universe and watch how it created and how
it all evolved and gain last amounts of information. And
sometimes they bring that information back and sometimes they don't, unfortunately.
But anyway, but the point is that they lose that
concept of self and become this the light. And when
they lose the concept of self, they're aware that they
were that person at one point in time and that
they were these other life forms, you know, like notforms
but reincarnated lights, and so they remember all of those,
but they're just learning experiences and it doesn't have an
it made you significance. And and so they I really
think that is the most significant death experienceable, which has
become the light.
Speaker 1: So they basically go, they basically become part of the collective,
if you will, the collective energy of this light. And
to my understanding as well, that that the information that
they are downloaded with is instant and they know basically
they're piped into the Internet of the other side, if
you will, and all of a sudden can access the
entire the entire act the Akashak records, if you will,
the entire knowledge base of the universe, and they like, oh,
what's quantum physics. Oh, that's what quantum physics is. Oh,
how do you what's free energy? Oh that's how you
would have gotten free energy, like you know, this energy
that that kind of thing. But to my understanding too,
when they come back, they might bring, if they're lucky,
snippets back, but this hardware cannot hold on to the
mass amount. It's just like running you know, DOS, trying
to run DOS on you know, or trying to run
a new Mac today on doss of nineteen fifties, like,
you know, whatever it is, you know that old programming.
The hardware just can't handle it, which is frustrated, I
can imagine. Now. You also said something in regards to reincarnation. Now,
this is a very touchy subject for so many people
in the world because I believe in a reincarnation. It's
you know, I'm a recovering Catholic, so I always you know,
reincarnation makes sense to me that this is the only
one life. And you and if you're just lucky to
be born a male in this country at this time
with this kind of resources, or born as a female
or the other and a poor It didn't make any
sense to me. Oh, so you're born with one leg,
bad luck, Like, I don't understand those things. But reincarnation
made all the sense in the world to be as
a logical thing. So how does how do near death
experiences challenge contemporary religions and dogmas? And what experiences have
you had with just I'm sure in your line of
work you've been confronted at one point or another by
somebody He's like, that doesn't make any sense. The Bible
says this, or my book says that, or my God
says this. How do these near death experiences challenge those
ideas across all kinds of religions and dogmas?
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that test of the light
is which religion is the best one or the right one?
And and repeatedly people aren't told whatever religion fits for
that person is there isn't one. So if it brings
the person close to Source and closer to God, then
but reincarnation, if it go back to being Source. And
so here's how I explain it. If we could just
imagine being this incredible intelligence and and I don't even
know how big to save me, but just this entity
that's amazing. And it's all alone in nothingness, with just
blackness around, no sounds, no such nothing. And if that
were the case, creation would happen in a second, you know,
in a nanosecond, because the entity would not know that
it was, or even if they did know it was,
it wouldn't know anything about itself. So creation is to
give back to source. That's what creation's for, and that's
what we are. We are giving back, aren't the life
that we live gives back to source? And so that's
the most important, is the I'm sorry, I've blast treating
my drain a bunch.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, it's what we're here to do. Where I
always used to I use the term God's algorithm. We're
all little algorithms that go off and do their thing,
grab information and bring it back to the creator of
that album, which is a god or source. Does that
make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So all right, So let's
get into life reviews because life reviews are very powerful,
powerful things. Because when I first heard the first time
of a life review, it shook it kind of shook
me to the core. I have friends of mine who's like,
I've been watching your show. I gotta get my acts.
I gotta get my act together because I don't want
to go through that life review and and and you know,
it's it's almost a fear based thing, but it's not
because we see it as oh god, I don't want
to be judged. To my understanding, there is no judgment.
There's absolutely no judgment on the other side. It's kind
of like, this is what happened. So can you dive in,
Please explain A life review is a general idea. Yes, sure,
we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that you're you've heard many times about
life review and that you see your life from in detail.
Some people see it in detail, some people just highlight
and how we affect other people and how we Yeah,
and that's the main point is it doesn't matter about
our well they're you know, how famous we are or
any of that. It's you know, it's how we affected
the world and other people, and so that is the significance.
But the life review, we don't there is no judgment
kind of kind of because we judge ourselves, but we
take the consequences of our actions by reliving the experience.
We provide for others. That's so that is.
Speaker 1: The powerful, powerful part of this whole thing is like
if I hurt you, I'm going to be back in
that scene. So like your consciousness flies back to that moment.
You're in a three basically in that moment in life,
and I'm saying something nasty to you, and I feel
what I feel what I'm doing it. But then I
feel what you feel. And that's the scary part for people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I said before forward one, so really
we are sourced judging ourselves. And that's why there's no
source from outside or there's no judgment for outside, because
we are source judging ourselves. And when we judge ourselves judgment,
you know, because people get upset with themselves sometimes and say,
oh God, why did I do that? Or you know,
I shouldn't have done that, and repeatedly they are told
it's okay, it's just a learning experience.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's the same thing. It's like getting upset
for like when you're first starting to walk and you
keep falling down. It's the equivalent of something like that,
because you're like, what are you gonna get yourself angry?
You barely know how to walk. So if you're doing
things in a life that's that's not right. It might
just be that you're just not able to walk yet
and you're making these mistakes and it's okay. It's part
of the process. And whatever we do to others is
part of their growing process as well.
Speaker 2: And what way, yes, and the echo and the echo
that keeps going down the line until it fades out.
Speaker 1: So this concept of spirit guides, what is your experience
of spirit guides and angels in kind of like a
room of a council, room of elders if you will,
that are there during a life review sometimes or after
the life review or before the life review. That kind
of is explaining like your council of elders. From I
understand there's a council of elders, maybe there's a head
spirit guide that that guides you throughout your life and
you see them on the other side. What's your experience
with that?
Speaker 2: Okay? Keep in mind that we are one with those
spirit guides, We of course connected to them. And so
the spirit guide, I think all guides, I think are
because we immerse ourselves so completely into being human that
when we leave here, whether first your time there for
a long time. We need to have the guide to
help us. Just as we talked about earlier, we're too confused,
we don't know what's going on, and so we need
the guides. Is that what you're meaning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guys on the other side are there the
kind of overlook your journey, maybe push you, like nudge
you in the right direction of where you're supposed to
be going in life. But once you get to the
other side, you're like, Henry, oh, Henry, thank you so
much for helping me out. And they try and you're
still kind of this transitional period where you're being explained. Hey,
you're coming out of you're decompressing. That's the word I
wanted to use. You're decompressing from coming down from the
deep deep ocean. You need time to decompress as you
go up because if you get if you go too fast,
you get the benz, you get the bends. So they're
there to help you. They're like the decompression system.
Speaker 2: Okay. So another part of the guide is that they're
with us right now in this this lif life experience
that we're experiencing. The guides and so that is uh
because we because its source knows how difficult it is
for us to be separated like this, and and so
that that's why we had the guides to guide us
through it and help us if we can hear them.
Some people can't and some people.
Speaker 1: Can now the and this is another part of the guys,
which is to my understanding, the guides are there to
guide you through the sole plan that you laid out
before you left the other side to come down here.
So when you come down here, you are going down
a road that you have pre set, like I'm going
to meet this person, I'm going to have this job,
I'm going to live in this area, big giant landmarks.
If you will journey, can you get driving a little
deeper to that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah sure. Before we come into this life, experience
our souls. The soul that says okay, I'm going to be.
A person chooses a task that they want to accomplish
in this life, and then with that task, they choose
all the elements within their lives that will help them
to guide them towards that task. And so they will
choose significant people, not everybody they ever meet, but the
main people that are going to be in their lives
that will guide them more or that the interaction will
be significant to guide them in the right direction. Then
there's the events in our lives, whether you know, and
not every again, not every event, but the major events,
and that will help us to lead us in certain directions.
And then there's ourselves. We choose everything about ourselves, the color,
the nationality, the country, the yeah, yeah, yeah, every single
thing that is going to be significant. It would be
our baby toemail if it was significant, you know, to
go hiding us. However, there is a creep out on
that because sometimes we don't get to do whatever it
is that we came here to do for various reasons.
Because not everything is meant to be. And I don't
like this statement of everything is meant to be because
it's not. Some things are meant to be, but some
things that are meant to be don't happen. The person
that we are going to be interacting with leaves this
for before we get to that, or some accident happens
and changes things, or we just goof off and say
I don't want to and we're just going to be,
you know, And so everything isn't written in stone, and
because there is no time at the spirit level, it
doesn't matter how long it takes us. We can have
biplans if we want to accomplish our tasks. The point
is that we are going to accomplish that task. Whether
it's fib or whether it's one, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Matter, right. And so in other words, you lay out
a soul plan, and that's exactly what it is, a plan.
And as we all know, plans don't always go according
to plan because there's a lot of variables along the way.
And it's really truly because of this pesky little thing
called free will that allows us to, Hey, you know what,
I know, I'm supposed to be an astronaut, but I
really want to be a football player, and you know,
I'm just gonna go down that and oh I got injured.
Oh I can't now be an astronaut. Oh and then
it just throws your whole life out of way. It
can't happen. And from what I understand, the guides are
there to kind of push it, because if you go
far off your soul plan, things become a lot more difficult.
You're not as happy, You're not because it's not connecting
to the soul. You know, I was. I to my
understanding from what I was being told. I walked a
parallel path with this plath that I'm on right now,
which assisted in this path. But until the roads met,
I was on a parallel path with this and I
was like, oh that because I always wondered, like why
am I in this path? You know, I loved it.
It was great, but it really never brought me. I
had moments of happiness, but it never felt me. I
was never fulfilled in this brand way. But the second
I jumped onto this path, I was like, oh, this
is what this feans. Is like it's oh, we'll be
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back to the show. And it needed time, by the way,
you know, twenty years ago this path wouldn't have worked
because the world wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. Uh people,
you know it was. It was a very interesting thing.
Now on the next stage after the life review, what
have you come across, Like, what are the variable things?
Because we're talking about near death experience. It means it's
near death, so we're not gonna we have no idea
what happens after a certain point. What are some other
experiences some of the most that stuck out to you
or are there any other common things that I haven't
mentioned that you found in many near death experiences?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I think thought consciousness are We really
don't recognize how significant our thoughts are, and that that
really is a major thing. Because we are thought, we
are consciousness. That is how we're being created through thought,
and so what we think about what is powerful, really powerful,
and we really need to know that and to understand
that and to guide our thinking in a more positive
direction to be more than that we can be.
Speaker 1: You know, now in your from your research, have you
found that many of many near death experiencers get to
a point of no return, Like there is a place
where they cannot cross, There's like a doorway, there is
a river, that kind of thing. Can you dive into
that a little bit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are experiences that they get to this point
and they're not allowed and that that's fine, But there
are others who don't get that point. They can go anywhere.
So it's a little confusing sometimes why some not the others?
Why are some people not given a choice and shot
back into their bodies sometimes and they're praying not to
come back, and other people are are given a choice. Well,
do you want to stare or do you want to go?
You know? So it's it doesn't seem to be written
in stone.
Speaker 1: The other thing I've heard is that your death experiences
happened to people because of multiple, multiple reasons, Whereas in
the Soul Plan they laid out exit points in the
life if things aren't going the way they wanted to.
I'd love to hear your thoughts. Like, so we lay
out the map, You're like, you know what, at thirty five,
if I haven't hit something, let me let me out
real quick and I'll let you know if I want
to keep going or I'll just start again. And then
oh maybe you know, at seventy there's another exit point
and you can decide at that point when you want.
So that's one reason. Another reason is you've gone so
far off the path that your spirit guys have been
yelling at you and you can't hear you. I can't
hear it, so they go we if we don't do something,
he or she is gonna go. It's gonna be a
wasted life. So we gotta shake the heck out of
them and hit them with a car essentially and knock
some sense at least knock them into sense. Is that
is that what you found as well?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, that that happens for sure. And but yeah,
that makes sense for why people are sent back or
not those too, you know, if they are off on
the wrong track, then you know, do it again.
Speaker 1: And you said that in regards to reincarnation, that you
said that you get to see lives that you have lived.
I've understood that you could see not only lives that
you have lived, but lives that you are going to
live as well. And then if you really want to
get metaphysical or not metaphysical, quantum quantum me quantum physics
aspect of it is that there is technically no past life.
There's technically no future lives. All lives are happening at
the same time because there is no time on the
other side, and we have our soul is fractals into
all the So right now, you and I are in Rome,
in ancient Rome, are in ancient Atlantis, in ancient Egypt,
having multiple experiences, and yet they kind of ripple. So
things you learn in one ripples to this life. And
like I was going to learn this lesson, but I
just learned it over in Egypt. Does that make any sense?
Can you explain it to people?
Speaker 2: Well, no, I can't because it's confusing. But it is
true that even though there is no time in everything
does happen at the same time or simultaneously we learn,
So that's a progression thing. Another thing is that people
when they're talking about their death experiences or near death experiences,
well we'll talk about that this happened, and then this happened,
and that's a sequence kind of thing, and yet there's
no time over there. So some end of years will say, well,
I explained that way, because how else can I explain
it to you? You know, it all happened at once,
but this is the way I can make it sense
for you.
Speaker 1: So when they and you, you kind of touched upon
this that many times you have a choice on the
other side, Hey, do you want to go back? I
understand when you go to the other side, it's so beautiful,
it's so blissful. The love is everywhere. It's something that
you can't comprehend. Why would you want to come back
to this? This is tough, this is heavy. It's like
wearing a you know, five hundred pound suit on you
all the time. Many of them say no, no, no, no, no,
I don't you kidding. I'm not going back to that place.
And they're either forced back, meaning like no, it's not
your time. But many times they're like, it's your choice.
And a lot of times they look back and go, oh,
I can't leave my kids. Oh I can't leave my wife.
I can't leave my family. They're going to hurt too much,
and that's what brings them back. What's your experience.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a family and I would say the majority
of the people eighty don't want to come back. There
are people who say, oh, I need to go back
because I'm not you know, my children are my job.
Some some make some reasons they have to come back
for and but but most people don't want to come back,
and they fight. They absolutely get into temperate tant rooms
and you know, yep, and there's their body.
Speaker 1: They're like like children, like no, I don't want to
go back. No I don't want to eat my vegetables.
I do not want to eat my vegetables. No I don't.
And they because the second you get slammed back, it's
you know, depending on what situation you are in, it
can be pretty pretty rough. They do like you say
they do. They do learn a bunch of things. They
do understand things there. The way communication is on the
other side is nonverbal. It's telepathic, but it's interestant. It's
instant telepathic, so you you understand everything that's happening in
the scenario that you're in instantly. So it's like downloading
an entire movie in a second and just go oh
got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah. Is that it just like that? Yeah,
there's just everything goes boom and all the questions that
they ever thought of asking or are answered instantly. It
is amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when these near death experiences come back in
your research, have you what have you found in regards
to their psychological profile in the sense of not only
dealing with this experience in the real world. So you
have this amazing mystical experience, you get thrown back down
to this heavy, dense, three dimensional world that we're in.
And and yet they a lot of them, I've heard,
don't talk about it for twenty years. Many of them
just have a problem. You're just dealing with it. What's
your experience of because some of them are like, welloo,
I'm ready, I got my mission, I'm ready to go
and it doesn't bother them. So again it's case by case.
But what's your experience with your research?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that I would maybe have are
retiscent to talk about it because they're told they might
mention it to somebody and be told either don't tell
anybody because they're going to think you're crazy, or they
get told, oh, that was just an illucination, or you know,
it is the drugs that we gave you, or something
like that. So, yes, they do. They don't like to
be told deaf, that's true. But I wanted to mention
people who've had death experiences that are hour like they
wake up in the more in a state of riga
mortis and they've been dead for thirteen fourteen hours.
Speaker 1: Really you've heard of those.
Speaker 2: Yes, I, and I have some in my book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, really because I've heard, I mean I've heard
hour and a half, two hours even that they've been
they were gone, they should have been brain dead, multiple
stories of brain dead, and there's no possible way they
can come back. You have thirteen or fourteen hours in
the morgue. Just wake poor guy, poor poor maintenance guy
in the room.
Speaker 3: But that's exactly But but they they can't move, they
can't let anybody know that they're back.
Speaker 2: And so various ways they get that message across, usually
with their eyes. They you know, can move their eyes,
but they can't move their body, and so they'll look
at the maintenance guy and then he'll notice, oh, yeah,
there's they're looking at me, and so things like that.
One one one moment was being identified by her brother
in law and.
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Speaker 2: And so he noticed that their tears coming, and so
he said, do get people cry, And that's when they
realized this woman was back, but she was frozen. She
couldn't couldn't move.
Speaker 1: So how do you come back from it though? Physically?
How do you come back from it physically? Like if
your rigamotives.
Speaker 2: One girl said that it was very, very painful because
the blood had you know, whatever it's called. I've forgotten
the name, but yeah, yeah, yeah, and so and so
she had to force her blood to start moving again
through her body and that was, she said, with the
most painful things she'd ever had to do. Yeah, I
have one man and this is recorded twenty nine hours
he was still going twenty nine hours. Yeah, it's in
my book.
Speaker 1: How do you explain? How do you like? How does
how does a doctor explain that? Like? How how does
how does science explain? Twenty nine hours?
Speaker 2: I want to know that too, That's the one. Those
are the ones, the long, long term experiences, and the
ones that don't happen in a hospital are the ones
that I would like to see more studies done, because
when a person dies in a hospital, the hospital is
probably the worst place in the world to find out
if death experience is a death experience, or whether it's
a near death experience, and whether it's legitimate or because
when a person dies at a hospital, within minutes they're resuscitated,
so that's too soon to know whether it's real or not,
or drugs or the brain breaking. So I want I
want more experience, more research than on those long term ones.
And once they're that die out or are almost yet
are away from the hospital where there's no immediate help,
those are the ones I wanted to see more work on.
Speaker 1: And these and these long term deaths that came back. Uh,
they kept living a normal life after they got their
body started again.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes they did. Yes, once they were thought, if
I can call it that, Yeah, once they were able
to move and so but instantly they're up in the
you know, as soon as somebody sees that their lives
and bang. You know. One fellow was dead for three days.
George Rod notice rodden and I can't, it's rodden. But
and then it ends for THEI and he was a
Russian man who got hit by a car and they
put him in the mark because he was dead, and
they left him there for three days. And he came
back when they started to do an optopsy and they
were just cutting into the MENY.
Speaker 1: Woke up. Oh my god, can you imagine the poor
oh my god, no mortician, that poor guy or gal
who was doing that. I mean, that's their worst nightmare.
That's the worst night. I'm sure that it's literally their
worst night. So from all these years that you've been
studying these these NDEs, what in what ways do you
see NDEs influencing modern spirituality?
Speaker 2: Oh? I see it everywhere. I love it. I can
see that that NDEs are just making such a change
in the world. And and that's fabulous. That is absolutely marvelous.
People who tell their tell about their experience. People are
more aware of runness, They're more aware of their conscious thought,
They're more aware of that there is something beyond. You know,
there's a lot of really beautiful things.
Speaker 1: Now, what what are lessons that we can learn from
NDEs that we can integrate into our daily lives.
Speaker 2: Well, my message is that you are magnificent and you
don't know it, and you really really really need to
believe that because you can accomplish so much more than
you ever thought you could. We just put ourselves down.
You know, I used to be a family counselor for
thirty years and in my work, I was absolutely astonished
at how many people hate, not dislike themselves, hated themselves.
They were absolutely hated themselves and because they didn't live
up to some image that had been put for before them.
And there that is almost criminal because in reality they
are magnificent. Everyone.
Speaker 1: What part does forgiveness play in the transformative power of
NDEs Because forgiveness is something that really can liberate a
human beings.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know they get even if you have
a big problem, no matter what your loved ones. Just
to tell your audience that all issues are forgiven. It
doesn't matter if you had an issue with that person
before that person died, and you have it on your
conscious that, oh god, they don't. I wasn't able to
talk to them or work it out. It's okay. And
their point of view, they love you more than more
than you can ever imagine, and they've completely forgiven. Forgiveness
is a big one.
Speaker 1: Yet. Now, how do in the ears describe their connection
with this higher consciousness, with this divine presence? What is
the what is the language that they've used in your
research of how they connect with this consciousness with source
if you will, or is it just something that.
Speaker 2: Most of them will say that they felt that they
were a part of this source or a part of
this But I would say that that is probably about
thirty twenty thirty percent. The rest of the people just
see the light up there and it's it's out there,
it's very beautiful. They relate to it, but that's as
far as it goes. But those who actually connect with
the light and talk to the light and experienced the
light recognize that they are connected somehow with that light.
Speaker 1: Now, I have to ask you this question because I've
heard these stories and i'd love to hear if you've
heard it in your research. You know, right now, we
as human beings believe, many of us, believe that this
is it. This is the only planet in the universe
that has human that has any sort of life or
any sort of experience those science has proven that. Chances
are there's other Earth like planet, actually billions of Earth
like planets in the in the seeable future seeable universe,
let alone the unseeable universe. It's so massive and grand.
Have you ever heard of any NDE experiences that talk
about other planetary experiences, other kind of bodies or other
kind of species of experiences. It's not just human.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, there are are people who talk about that.
I don't put that in my book, but but there
are people who do feel that they're connected the way
to smart Sorry sorry, but if.
Speaker 1: There was other, if there was so, the question is
if there was other in the near death experiences that
they see themselves or have been in past line in
other experiences, other planets, other kind of besides just human.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And some people will will ask take me
to a planet, another planet where there's life, you know,
in the in this universe, and they will take me
taken there. Okay, here you are and then they will
also be taken. One person I remember asked to take
me to the most events, and he went to this
place where they didn't communicate this verbally, they telepathic and
they were they were almost surreal. They were, you know,
this this life form but but almost like ghost almost
but the other Then they asked to go to one
of the least evolved planets, and they it to something
like you know, cave man kind of thing or very
primitive life forms.
Speaker 1: Really, that's fat, that's fascinating. I mean, just to go
down those roads, it's pretty fascinating. We'll be right back
after a word from our sponsor, and now back to
the show.
Speaker 2: God, I was just going to say, if you're interested,
you can probably go to nd r n d e
r F Near Death Experience Research Foundation and they have
a search engine that you can probably find that information
other planets. Maybe just be you know, and ease on
other planets or other life forms.
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Thank you so much for that,
for that the basic of information. Now I do have
to ask you, are you afraid of dying anymore?
Speaker 2: Not anymore? No, I used to be, but no, I
needy six now so I've got I better not be,
because I've got a lot of stuff. I don't have
one put in the grape though. I'm doing very well
for my age, and I know i'm unless I get
into an accident, I'll be in my nineties for by
the time I leave this world. But yeah, I just
love life too much. I'm enjoying myself too much, and
I have too much more to do and to say,
to write about it. You tell people, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if there's someone watching right now who is either
afraid of dying or in the process of dying, because
a lot of people who watch these kinds of shows
want to learn about the other side because they're either
close because of a prognosis, or they had a loved
one who just who's about to go or has just gone.
What what message do you have for these people watching?
Speaker 2: Well, one of the messages is to know that your
loved one is very aware of you and what's happening
in your life. Because I repeatedly hear people say I
wish so and so I've been here for this credit
or this graduation, or for this order or whatever, and
they are, They're there, They hear it, they see it,
they know what's going on. They know, they connect with
us very intimately, so that's that's not a big deal.
So don't don't feel that they haven't been there, because
they have. And as I said before, all issues are gone.
They don't exist. They're just a myth. Death is a
beautiful experience. And it's like going home. That's whatever. Everybody says,
I want to go home, Like once they've been there
and they want to go back, they say that they
want to go back home. So to them, that's home.
And and so it's like a rest period in between lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is your definition of living a fulfilled life? Oh?
Speaker 2: I fulfilled life?
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: We are not here to suffer two to have all
the anks that we have in this world. We're not
here for that. We are here to experience, to be,
to exist, to get in there and just be as
much as we can be in our particular field, whatever
that is. And so that's that's our reality is to
get in there, and that's what we're here for, is
to enjoy. If we're here to be, there's a there's
a wonderful experience that that I love. And her name
this hat for haf you are and you can find
her by going googling her name, ajaf you are Nde,
and she was just an ordinary housewife. She had no
interest in this whole spiritual business at all, and she
had such a profound death experience and came back with
such magnificent lessons and understanding that she spells out in
very clear language, and most of it is the beauty,
And she says repeatedly, I wasn't supposed to be suffering
like I am, or like I was. I was here
to have fun. I was here to enjoy life and
be And so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, if you had a chance to go back
in time and speak to little Lynn, what advice would
you give her?
Speaker 2: You little Lynn?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, little Lin. It was my childhood and
my earlier years were really quite rough, and so I've
had a very difficult time, and I was assessed as
mentally slow and put into special classes for kids that
are mentally slow, and being mentally slow, everybody made my
decisions for me. But the other thing that happened with
that was that abuse. Because you know, I don't count
as much, and so that was my childhood experience. And
if I could go back and talk to that woman
or that child, I would tell her to have faith
to know that everything is going to be beautiful in
the end.
Speaker 1: That's a great message. How do you define God or Source?
Speaker 2: Oh? Just well, I think that God love is they
love that we feel is our reconnection to the power
or the essence of our being, which is love. I
think God's essence is love and that love is the
power that it creates width, so that would be one thing,
but also consciousness. So I see God as a positive
creative force. I don't see God as a person or
a being or any as a matter of fact, to
be honest, I don't even think there's a light. I
think people see light because we need something to relate to.
But I think in reality, source or the positive energy
doesn't have anything. It's just a being. What is intelligence?
What love is the essence of our being. Love is
the essence of who we are. We are we are
created in love and we are love. And so my
moto when a dip at the bottom of my when
I send things out, is to be the love that
we are, because that's that's our reality.
Speaker 1: What is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: Oh, alternate purpose of giving back to source, to being,
to helping Source to be, to experience and know itself.
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about your your
book and all the amazing work you're doing in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, my book is Beyond NDEs, the Next Step in
Near Death Experience Research. And you can find me on Facebook,
on LinkedIn and and and I have a YouTube channel,
lynn Lynn K Russell channel, and my name Lynn K.
You have to put the K in there or else
you never find me because there's a bazillion Lynn Russell's
in the world. And so Lenny K Russell, just google
my name and you'll find me. And I also have
a website, and I have a contact on my website,
so you can find me there.
Speaker 1: As well, and that would be a Russell dot com.
Speaker 2: Lynk Russell dot com.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, perfect, And do you have any parting messages
for the audience?
Speaker 2: Just what I've already said that believe in yourself, trust yourself,
know that you are much much more than you think
you are, and that you can do way more than
you think you can do. That's my big message.
Speaker 1: Lynn. It has been such a pleasure and honor speaking
to you today. It's been refreshing and wonderful. And I
learned a bunch of stuff in this conversation, and I
appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken the planet.
So thank you again, my.
Speaker 2: Dear, thank you, thank you. I appreciate being here. I've
enjoyed chatting with you great questions.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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