WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:05.080 Hey, welcome to episode one eleven of the POTTYC. That's right, 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.440 this week Fronc has to do the least finger movement 3 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:10.880 in a while to create the episode title, so big 4 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:13.599 congratulations to him. This week we have We've just had 5 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:16.359 rain testing for Venomous Abyss, which actually the first time 6 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.960 in like three patches that I've actually been able to 7 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.120 make it to raid testing because the last two have 8 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:25.640 been super unfortunate times, so I actually have more more 9 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:28.480 grounding than usual in what the fights look like. But 10 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:32.799 before then, we have an add on Drama News sad news. 11 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:35.719 Like I say drama, but it's like it's you know, sad, 12 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.159 which is unholted raidframes. I don't know if either of 13 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:43.479 you guys were unhlted raid frames Enjoyers have halted development 14 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:47.799 due to abuse and harassment. Here's the wowhead post on 15 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.399 that you've seen this your user? 16 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.759 Yeah, I was a user until Ellesmere. What happened? This 17 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.119 was the goal to during that on Verge. 18 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:03.320 Yeah, it's one of like several add ons that popped 19 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:07.200 up in the past year and then popped down soon after. 20 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:09.719 I remember there was like a nephew I was another 21 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:13.599 one of these, right, whereas like the add on purge 22 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.120 is happening, some new people kind of throw their hats 23 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:20.879 into the add on dev ring and then people they 24 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:25.000 kind of got a taste of, like how uh toxic 25 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:31.239 the you know discourse in the community can be around it? Yeah, 26 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:33.159 and then they're out of there. So in this case 27 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:37.159 it was unholted rade frames. They pushed a large update 28 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.519 that added party in raid frames, indicated from ready checks 29 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.920 and threat and more requested features. Unfortunately, this update also 30 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:47.599 caused several unintended problems breaking core out On functionality, resulting 31 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.400 in a daly uge of irate comments from its user 32 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:54.040 base on the project page, discords, dms, and other social spheres. 33 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:57.599 Several hours later, the creator announced over discord the add 34 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.599 on would cease development entirely in direct response to the 35 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.159 hatred and abuse received throughout the day. The author further 36 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:07.120 reminded users that out On Dev's work on projects of 37 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.599 passion and no one should be subjected to abuse or 38 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.759 harassment for creating add ons, posing with a final request 39 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:14.520 to be kinder to one another, I think a very 40 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:19.479 understandable yep, you know the response to yeah, it's like 41 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:21.479 it's on the one head, you know, obviously everybody's good. 42 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.960 People are going to be mad when you but something breaks, 43 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:25.960 you know, functionality that they're used to. We can see 44 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:27.400 that with a wow patch. But on the other hand, 45 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.039 add On does in particular are basically just doing this 46 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.240 for free or for you know, pennies, And. 47 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:36.000 Yeah, I remember this happened. Something similar happened to this 48 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:39.080 in a class discord actually, where like I think there 49 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:42.560 was like an issue with the shadow pre sim or 50 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:47.759 something like many uses in Shadowlands, where like basically this 51 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.199 person had it wrong and people had picked a covenant 52 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:52.919 and then the covenant ended up changing, and then I 53 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.599 just remember there was a barrage of like fuck you, 54 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.879 Like obviously these people are doing it as a as 55 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.800 like a passion thing, and like obviously it can affect 56 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.560 people in a negative way, but like they're not getting 57 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.120 paid for it, and they get like a ton of 58 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.680 hate when stuff doesn't work. Obviously it's usually directed at 59 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.000 Blizzard if it's like, oh, they released a buggy patch 60 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.280 or whatever and that made this stuff not work, but like, oh, 61 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.479 it's actually on the out on developer, and I have 62 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:17.479 heard some sentiment as to like, oh, that guy just 63 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.879 couldn't take the heat. It's like well maybe, but also 64 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.039 if someone's just doing something in their spare time because 65 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.759 they want to for fun, just like a little side project, 66 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.159 and that also comes with the side effect of people 67 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.800 fucking yelling at you, which sucks, you might be like, well, 68 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:34.639 you know what, it actually turns out it's not worth 69 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:36.719 it for me to do this, So it's like totally valid. 70 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:40.000 It like makes complete sense to me why they would 71 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.800 do that. And yeah, maybe think before you start slandering people. 72 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:47.680 Some people are just not built for as shit. It's 73 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:53.000 just like the quasi ui situation. He was literally there 74 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.560 for a moment and suddenly he's gone. 75 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.159 You know, it's not some people. I want to say, 76 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:03.159 most people I'm just gonna throw I don't think. I 77 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.000 don't think. I don't think there's most people that are 78 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.120 like able to handle. And I don't even know how 79 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:11.439 many times in people's lives anyone even on average, like 80 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.199 even deals with thousands of people being mad at them 81 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.480 on the internet. But like, I don't know how many 82 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.360 people are actually built to handle that. It's like really hard. 83 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:21.160 Uh. 84 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.720 I think streamers sometimes go through that, it's like a 85 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:28.040 more common thing. But land like certainly the game developers, 86 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.639 right but I don't think it's like it's like, oh, 87 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:32.600 like you should be built for this, and you're fucked 88 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:34.800 up if you're not. Like, I don't think like anyone's 89 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:36.920 built for that. Honestly, it's like something that people will 90 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:38.759 end up like learning to live with. I guess if 91 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:40.519 it ends up being in the career path you're doing. 92 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.199 But like if it's not even your career path, it's 93 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.240 just like a little side thing, like why the fuck 94 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.319 would you ever subject yourself to that? It totally makes 95 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.560 sense for him to back out, well a. 96 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.240 Bit of a tangent, but Titles made a new video 97 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:54.600 talking about how he thinks about it, Like you was 98 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:58.480 just like an opinion piece about how he feels about 99 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.680 loot nowadays in the world of warl craft. People were 100 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:05.439 fucking shitting on him. They were absolutely relentless people. He 101 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:07.680 was just like, this is just an opinion. Uh. He 102 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:11.560 basically said, like how loot and gearing in world war 103 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.319 craft is just like unfulfilling and it just like feels 104 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:15.800 bad right now and there needs to be like a 105 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.040 better solution is I want to understand it. Heal with you. 106 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:22.120 I mean, to be fair, I didn't like actively listen 107 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:23.480 to his video. I kind of just like had to 108 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:24.399 play in the mark ground and. 109 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:25.759 Very few people can do that, you know. 110 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.639 Yeah, I wonder if he actually had a bad take, 111 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.399 because Tottles has this thing where like I don't even 112 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.920 really know when this started, Like there's certainly some moon 113 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.879 can hate, and I'm sure he's had some some stinker 114 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:41.000 takes over the years. Who who amongst us hasn't right, uh, 115 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.160 but he has this thing about him where like he 116 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:48.680 starts speaking and people are just like, oh this guy again, I. 117 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.079 Don't really know where that's just giving his opinion too, 118 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:52.959 like you know, he's not saying like this is a bible, 119 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:54.120 like this is how it should be. 120 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.959 Yeah, well sometimes people people have been getting up in 121 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.600 arms about that kind of shit for years though, where 122 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.680 where they'll be like, yeah, well you you have the 123 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.639 comeback of like well I'm just they're getting mad at you, 124 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:08.279 and you're like, well, I'm just a streamer. I'm just 125 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:10.839 like I'm just saying my opinion, like and then like, 126 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.079 well people listen to you, so you can't have fucking 127 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.279 bad opinions. Blizzard makes the game off of what. 128 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:17.199 You're like a politician. 129 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:22.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's tough because, like I love making 130 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:24.759 fun of tittles. Over the years, there have been so 131 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.959 many stupid things he said, and it sucks because I 132 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.120 can't say like half of the mean things I want 133 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.800 to say about him because everybody else is like means 134 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.199 it when they say it sometimes, So now I don't 135 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:36.839 get to I don't get to roast him as much 136 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:39.319 as I'd like to. So it's really tough out there. 137 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.240 I wish people would stop being mean, like stop hogging 138 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:43.240 all of the being means tittles so that I can 139 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:48.839 do more of it. Please. It's a really unfair that's valid, Yeah, 140 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.160 it is, like I think it's something that almost everybody 141 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:53.839 would be surprised by. We've talked about this before in 142 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:58.160 the context of content creation there whereas like if a 143 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.680 couple of people are like actively being nasty towards you, 144 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.639 it's like, it doesn't you don't if you're just watching 145 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:07.839 that dynamic from the outside, it doesn't, it will you 146 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:11.920 will not understand like the psychic damage that does to 147 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.560 almost everybody upon like being on the receiving end of that. 148 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.240 There's like, no, it's it's just as an unreasonable you know, 149 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.759 percent more multiplier, more than you would expect for how 150 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.600 much that like lives rent free in your head. For 151 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.519 most people, some people are able to you know, get 152 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.480 past it. Other people are just like randomly immune to 153 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.399 it or inured to it already. But for the most part, 154 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:37.319 like if you just took an average human off the 155 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.279 street and then had them read like ten mean comments 156 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.839 about them, that would ruin their week, month, year potential, 157 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.439 Like it's it is a tough situation to be put into, 158 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:49.759 and it's one that if you're not ever on the 159 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.439 other side of it, you just won't appreciate because you 160 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.120 you know, if you're just doing a regular job, like 161 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:57.519 you will not be put in that position pretty much. Ever, 162 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.439 So I have a lot of a lot of empathy 163 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.600 for out on developers that find themselves whenever you find 164 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.000 this yourself is like the main character of an add 165 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.360 on you know, situation for the day or something like that, 166 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:14.560 Like you're gonna attract just an amount of you know, criticism, 167 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.399 and even if it's like ninety percent fair criticism being 168 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:21.480 posted without malice, the ten percent that is like over 169 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.959 the line kind of infects the rest of it. 170 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:31.480 And yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, So let's let's make a 171 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.679 verdict on ourselves. Let's let what does anyone know what 172 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.679 he actually argued? Like maybe we could even hear like 173 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:42.240 a like a snippet of it or the Tedtle's got 174 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.279 no I'm trying to basically see, like like let's make 175 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.919 a educated like is him getting backlash for this warranted? 176 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:51.480 Because like, you know, it's also possible Tedtles said some 177 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.840 really fucking dumb and people are mad, you know, but 178 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.799 like it's it's also possible that people are mad for 179 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:00.200 no reason and he did nothing wrong. But if no 180 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:01.480 one listened to it, then what can we do? 181 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.320 I who listened to it? 182 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:03.519 Now? 183 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:05.080 Yeah, I mean it'd be crazy. 184 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.720 I wonder how many people that are mad at him 185 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:12.720 also didn't listen to it and they just saw other 186 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:14.320 people mad at him and they were like, here we 187 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:16.919 fucking go again. Fuck him, he's wrong. 188 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:19.559 Yeah, Or you just listen to the first thirty seconds 189 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:23.120 and then you know, base you extrapolate what the next 190 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:30.039 probably yeah, based on that, Or you just rock summarized 191 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.240 this video for me and write a witty roast of it. 192 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:42.679 There are occasionally moments where people have no idea what 193 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.360 the video is actually saying, and they'll just be like 194 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.200 very upset because of that. But yeah, I mean I 195 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.200 can't really say what happened exactly in that video because 196 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.159 I don't even know myself, and it was one of 197 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:00.480 the comments was like I've never disked the vide year before, 198 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:01.399 but I had to here. 199 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:07.600 Okay, that sounds like, yeah, I don't know that, like 200 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:10.919 in the context of a delusion negative comments that one 201 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.000 you know is another one of them, but also like 202 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:17.159 by itself, it's kind of a you know, just the 203 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:21.080 person expressing a take seems fair. 204 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:23.840 Yeah, that's I saw this fear. 205 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:27.519 Yeah, I don't know. I looked at the comments there. 206 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:30.480 It looked like there weren't I suspect he's been, you know, 207 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:33.320 pruning the worst of them, which is good take. By 208 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:34.840 the way, people, if you ever get mad at somebody 209 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:36.919 for like censoring the comments on their video when they're 210 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.320 just taking out the you know, the meanest ones it is, 211 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.279 you got to do that. Otherwise the ratio just gets 212 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.320 worse and worse, and like nobody reasonable stays in your 213 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:51.600 comment section. So yeah, that's not like fleeing from it 214 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:52.120 or anything. 215 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.279 Dude. So going back to the I don't on discussion, 216 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.480 there is one thing that really annoys me about something 217 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.480 that I don't developers do. It's when they push a 218 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:08.120 feature that you want to be optional. I know a 219 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.039 couple of ad On developers that have done this, one 220 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.840 of them being big wigs, like Bro, they added the 221 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:17.919 thing where they have nameplates on the mobs, you know, 222 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:19.600 the name play cool downs. This was like back in 223 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.679 Dragonflame maybe or maybe shadow Lands, and it's like, yeah, 224 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.360 I mean that's a great feature, right, Like it's nice 225 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.320 to have nameplates on mobs, Like you want to be 226 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.480 able to see the cool downs on the on the 227 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:34.120 abilities from the mobs. But when I already had Marror's's 228 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.360 nameplate week or at a time and I couldn't disable 229 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:40.440 the big wigs option, it was like, actually so annoying. 230 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:41.879 It's like, Bro, I'm trying to use your add on 231 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:43.840 and you're just trying to like force this down my throat, 232 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:44.639 Like please. 233 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.919 Yeah, I actually think there's a I could like correlate 234 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.720 this to how we deal with players sometimes. So we 235 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.399 when we're coming up with like new tech during the race, 236 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:01.000 we used to always push it with everything on, with 237 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:03.360 the idea that hey, if the players don't want it, 238 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.600 they can just disable it right now. Players a lot 239 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.559 of times didn't like this because like there are one 240 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.360 hundred pulls into a hard boss, two hundred pulls, they 241 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.879 reload next pull, and now there's this thing that is 242 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:16.720 in the middle of their screen and they're like, what 243 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.039 the fuck, Like, what's going on here? Right? So now 244 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:23.159 we have swapped it back to where we do not 245 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.320 give them stuff right away and they have to manually 246 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.799 enable everything. What happens there is people actually end up 247 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.879 not using a lot of tech that's very very good 248 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:36.360 and they would use if they enabled it or if 249 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:38.559 they had it given to them, but they didn't because 250 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.000 like of the process of having to choose to manually 251 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:42.840 turn something on. So if I'm going to fight, I 252 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.679 also agree with you that has also made me mad 253 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:46.159 in the past. But if I'm going to fight the 254 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.120 battle for uh the ad on developers and also the 255 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:50.919 end of that story is now what we do is 256 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:53.279 we have to make judgment calls as officers as to 257 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:56.840 like we try to know what is the stuff we 258 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.480 have that's actually really fucking good, and we do make 259 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:01.799 those on by default. So it's not like all or 260 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.440 nothing in either direction. It is like manually some of 261 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.840 these things are we think are really important, and we're 262 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:09.600 forcing you to have them, and they're going to be 263 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.600 default on and some of them are optional based on 264 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:13.799 role and stuff like that. Okay, if you're an ad 265 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:15.200 On developer and you come up with a really cool 266 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:19.480 feature and you make it not on by default, I 267 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.039 bet if they look at the number. I don't know 268 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.639 if they have numbers on this stuff, but like, I'm 269 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:26.919 gonna guess that even if it's an amazing feature that 270 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.320 makes your ad On better, that's going to keep people 271 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.799 downloading it if you don't enable it automatically. Like I'm 272 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:34.919 just going to make up a number like ninety five 273 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.120 percent of people are never going to actually do the 274 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.519 research to know that that is now available and will 275 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.000 never even try it. So they would rather kind of 276 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.559 using the example with our raiders, they would rather put 277 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:46.080 it in your face and say hey, I don't want it, 278 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.639 and disable it and at least let you know that 279 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.960 it's there. Then like just basically put it as an 280 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.960 option where they know that no one's going to click 281 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:56.159 on it, and they spend time on it and want 282 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:56.840 people to use it. 283 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.200 I think no, I'll think you're understand what I'm saying. 284 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.279 So it wasn't a one of those like, oh, you know, 285 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.679 here's a cool future of that we're gonna enable by default. 286 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.840 It was one of those you're not allowed to turn 287 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.279 off our feature, Like they added the name play thing 288 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:11.559 and you were not allowed to turn it off. There 289 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.360 was like no option to turn off whatsoever. If you 290 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.279 want to turn it off, you have to not use 291 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:17.080 that ad on, Like it's either you take it or 292 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:19.440 you leave it. And yeah, if you're a bunch of 293 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.559 people who complain about it on the big wigs discord 294 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.120 and the guy got so butt heard that he ended 295 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:27.039 up banning a bunch of people saying how like, look, 296 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:28.519 you have to use it. If you don't use it, 297 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.720 then don't use my had on how about that, which 298 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.759 was like that's kind of cringe behavior, like I'm not 299 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.480 gonna lie, especially from such a big ADAM developer, where 300 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:39.399 it's like you want to use the very add on 301 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.440 because you've been using it for so many years. 302 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:46.480 I think the the perspective is like, you know, it's 303 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.000 a mistake, and then it's like you get backed into 304 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.600 a corner where and now like four hundred annoying people 305 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.240 are dming you about it, and you know obviously you 306 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:59.000 shouldn't get defensive, but you know, you should just realize that, 307 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.240 you know, you should just make it optional, right. But 308 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:06.039 like at that point, it's you're reacting emotionally. 309 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.960 Yeah, and exactly you're you, maybe for the first time ever, 310 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.679 are reacting to a large crowd of people being mad 311 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.279 at you, and it's ramping, you know, and people are 312 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:17.799 just gonna have different reactions to that. Sometimes people are 313 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:20.080 gonna have their wires get crossed and they're gonna fucking 314 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.960 fight back, you know. And I don't know is many 315 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.799 people that are gonna shoot on them for that. I 316 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.720 don't know how many of you would not do the same, maybe, 317 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:29.480 you know, because it's just hard to put yourself in 318 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:31.679 that position of just like you open up discord, which 319 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.320 is normally for you like a cool place to talk 320 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:36.159 to other people that enjoy your add on and maybe 321 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:38.480 give some feedback, and you open it and they're like, 322 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:40.960 you suck, fuck you, why did you do this? And 323 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:42.080 that's it's just hard. Man. 324 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:45.480 You could even see like relatively normal people becoming class 325 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.159 Discord moderators and then see how they react to not 326 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.720 even something negative, but literally just to the same question 327 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.879 being asked five times in a day. It's like, is 328 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.480 there something you know wrong with people that would choose 329 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:01.679 to become a class discord admin. Maybe, but the percentage 330 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:07.679 of them that become like just unhingedly you know, infuriated 331 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.120 by people asking the same question over and over again 332 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.519 should go to show that, like, it's actually a surprisingly 333 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.000 annoying thing that you wouldn't guess if you hadn't been 334 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:18.799 on the other end of it. And that's not even 335 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.000 like negative right when you change that to like people 336 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.759 being negative about your add on change that you clearly 337 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.399 think is a good idea, good enough that you don't 338 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.600 even consider that not everybody might not want it turned 339 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.919 on right. And also you've you know, you've just like 340 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:33.039 updated it right, and yeah, I don't know. I Again, 341 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:34.559 I'm not trying to say it's not a mistake. I'm 342 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.559 just trying to say it's a as one of those 343 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:41.960 things where the reaction that people will have to, especially 344 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.240 again when they're like basically volunteers working on these add ons, 345 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:50.480 is is it's going to look surprising from the outside. 346 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:54.600 And it's not surprising to me that people, uh people 347 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:57.639 get as you know, upset as they do about it. Obviously, 348 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:02.399 they shouldn't if they can, but yeah, I try and 349 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:03.960 extend them a little bit of a benefit of the 350 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.960 doubt when possible. But yeah, I've also I have seen 351 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:08.680 that other thing actually you were talking about, where it's 352 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:12.079 like if you push a feature and you don't actually 353 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.759 like like you can push a feature, you can put 354 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:16.680 it in the notes of that you can like make 355 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:18.799 a shiny little pop up when you first log in 356 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.319 that's like, hey, my add on now has this new functionality. 357 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.559 And I have seen I don't remember exactly what it was, 358 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.200 but I remember a couple of weeks ago I saw 359 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.720 somebody like rudely asking on Twitter for a feature on 360 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.359 an add on that had been added to that add 361 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:34.839 on like a year ago by that exact process, and 362 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.279 that user just had ignored and myss that it had 363 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.720 been added to the add on. So it is definitely 364 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:40.440 something where. 365 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.279 Oh I think it's a very I mean, like I said, 366 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.160 we have a doubt. We have like straight up dell 367 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.279 with that. Like it is literally these people's jobs to 368 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:48.799 kill raid Boss as fast as possible, which means using 369 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:50.960 all the tech that is possibly available to them that 370 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.920 we have people hired to make for them, right and 371 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.279 like it's their job to make sure that they have 372 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.480 this shit, So it's above like a casual gaming, it's 373 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.279 like their job and a large amount of those things. 374 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.160 If we did not make them on by default, they 375 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:10.359 wouldn't use right, So it's it's I would rather deal 376 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.039 with them get mad for one pole because some things 377 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.079 on their screen and go away than them like having 378 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.279 done an entire progression where they would have played better 379 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:17.480 had they known something was there. 380 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:24.920 I've learned as a streamer is that people don't fucking 381 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:30.240 read like. You can have millions of commands, you can 382 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.400 have you know, all these things on your titles and 383 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.720 shot all over your screen, and people will just ask 384 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:38.480 the same ship like, hey, what are your talents? Hey, 385 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:42.319 where's the tearless? What is meta? You know? What's that 386 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.880 add on there using even though it literally says the 387 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:46.880 right fear of that, like the add on is called 388 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.359 tru c g GCD or whatever the fuck it might be. 389 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.559 Yeah, I remember when the corruption Vendor reset on like 390 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.039 every twice a week or whatever there was. I had 391 00:18:58.079 --> 00:18:59.920 to a stream where people asked it so often every 392 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.000 they asked that I made it bigger the timer on 393 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.400 my screen by the end it was like half the 394 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:09.720 screen before uh the stream is over. It's yeah, the 395 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:14.359 very people people do not there. They would rather just 396 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:18.599 ask than try, and like you know, than any anything else, right, 397 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.400 than than think about it at all. Which, yeah, that's 398 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.480 just that's that's something you gotta you know, you gotta 399 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:27.440 play around if you're a streamer. But ad On devs 400 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:29.440 usually don't have to play around it. It's just when 401 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:32.559