WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:03.040 It's a good I'll tell you. 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:10.359 Go to the Night, the Fantasy, Safan Louis Field, History, 3 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:13.839 the Gold tell you. 4 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:19.920 John, I'm doing great, crazy day. But uh, I'm glad 5 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:21.440 I got a chance to sit down because we have 6 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:25.519 a lot to talk about today, Steve fall Uh And 7 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.079 actually it should be like a two parter and we'll 8 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:29.600 explain as we get into this. 9 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:32.439 Yes, it should be because today we're talking about Survivor 10 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:37.280 series nineteen ninety one, and this Survivor series really connects 11 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:41.240 to another event this Tuesday in Texas, which might be 12 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.640 voted the worst name ever for an event, But we 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.439 will get to that possibly in another episode down the line. 14 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.640 But today's Adversaries ninety one. 15 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.840 Before we get into anything, what was it like having 16 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:57.159 these events either on Thanksgiving or this one on Thanksgiving Eve? 17 00:00:57.240 --> 00:00:59.920 What was it like for you because everyone's away for 18 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.880 their family, so what Thanksgiving things are actually happening backstage 19 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:08.719 to feel like you're celebrating, Yeah, it was. 20 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:10.560 I mean, you got used to it. This is that's 21 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.560 what we did, and it's like anything else. And it's 22 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.560 been pretty much the story of my career is that 23 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:19.959 when you work in entertainment, television or news, whatever it is. 24 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:24.480 You're working on holidays and weekends and that's that's just 25 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:27.200 the life. And you have crazy hours. You're either waking 26 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.760 up too earlier, you're staying up too late, but that 27 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.719 is part of the business. And you know, of course 28 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:38.719 we'd gotten used to doing this event on Thanksgiving Day 29 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:42.959 and this this was different because it was Thanksgiving Eve, 30 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:46.760 which meant we'd all be home for at least the 31 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.879 ones that lived in Stanford, because you know, a lot 32 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.239 of times these guys really didn't even have the chance 33 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.599 to get home. And of course, as you mentioned, this 34 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:56.959 Tuesday in Texas was an event that was going to 35 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:01.400 be taking place not many days later, so uh, you know, 36 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.400 it was just it was just part of our life, uh. 37 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.280 And uh it was nice in that sense that I 38 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.840 remember we did get to because we would take you know, 39 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.080 the jet and be back sometimes sometime in the middle 40 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.000 of the morning, but you'd be uh, you know, back 41 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:19.199 home the next day. So it was in a lot 42 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:20.759 of ways, it was just another one of these pay 43 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:22.680 per view events. And it's funny as I look back 44 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.319 to those thinking today, you know, is that they they 45 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.879 added this other event, you know, within a week and 46 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.240 everybody's like, what the hell, Oh my god, how are 47 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.919 we going to do this? And uh, you know, today 48 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:35.039 it's just common practice. It's just kind of the way 49 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.280 things are that they have them basically. Uh you know, 50 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.840 sometimes more, but one or two a month. So but 51 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:44.439 back then, you know, we had the Big four basically, 52 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.960 and it was the way the whole season went, if 53 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.439 you want to call it, and so uh to be 54 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:51.280 but to be able to turn it around and do 55 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.680 this other one, uh, it was a it was a 56 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:56.879 big ask back then for everybody involved. 57 00:02:57.639 --> 00:02:59.919 Are you being fed though, you be is there a turkey, 58 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.919 is there stuffing? Is there mashed potatoes backstage? Or is 59 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:04.240 that not happening? 60 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.639 No, that was always the case. Especially they'd have a 61 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:12.919 big spread, a big turkey spread for those days and 62 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.240 you know, it wasn't the greatest food in the world, 63 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.719 but you did appreciate the fact that they didn't know 64 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.639 it was a holiday and you did have turkey and 65 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.840 all the trimmings. So uh yeah, that night there was 66 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:27.800 pretty It was the same thing because, as I said, 67 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.159 you know, maybe a lot of these guys maybe weren't 68 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.919 going to have the opportunity to get home to spend 69 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:35.360 some time with their loved ones. 70 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:38.840 Yeah, I always thought that was strange when you look 71 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.800 at wrestling, and even as a fan at the time, 72 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.240 you're thinking, how do you convince your parents on Thanksgiving Day? 73 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.319 This one of the Thanksgiving Eve, Thanksgiving Day every year 74 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.039 for the past couple. Hey, mom and Dad, I know, 75 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.000 Grandma and Grandpa are coming over and they drove all 76 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:55.400 the way from Florida to see here. 77 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.719 But can we watch Survivor series? Is that all you think? 78 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:03.360 It's the hard sell for regular people having Thanksgiving versus 79 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:05.520 just a single person who's gonna watch wrestling. 80 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.120 Well, I think you know exactly the way we tried 81 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:14.439 to sell it. It was no different than you know, 82 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.920 watching football on holidays, and this was another event I 83 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.959 must see. So I think that a lot of people 84 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.360 that was part of the holiday for them. I'm gonna 85 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.920 have this, you know what? Great? How what could it 86 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.360 be better? What could be better? Then you get to 87 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.360 have Thanksgiving, which is a happens to be one of 88 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:37.360 my favorite holidays because you don't have to bring gifts necessarily. 89 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:39.519 If you're going to somebody's house, you could bring a 90 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.560 bottle of wine or something like they say, don't come 91 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.879 with your arm swinging but for the most part where 92 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:45.839 you're not worrying. You didn't have to watch shopping and 93 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:50.480 get special gifts for everybody you show up. Just stuff 94 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.120 your ass full of food all day, loosen the belt, 95 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:57.600 and sit back in the couch and watch, you know, football, 96 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.600 or watch of course the Survivor series. What else would 97 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.720 you want to do. And it's it was a perfect holiday, 98 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.759 So that wasn't a tough sell for people who are 99 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:08.160 who were wrestling fans at the time. 100 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:11.680 It's just so funny because for years it was on Sundays, 101 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.160 and then now it's on Saturdays, and then first so 102 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.759 long it was just like it's a Monday, it's Thanksgiving, 103 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.879 it's on Thanksgiving Eve. There was no rhyme or reason 104 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.480 on when these things landed. It was just a weird 105 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.399 situation for cyber series anyone. It's funny because doing research 106 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:28.439 for this event, Okay, first I want to do because 107 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.199 I want to, oh, be a great idea to connect 108 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:32.519 this to this Tuesday in Texas. I have a double 109 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:36.480 bonus episode. But this Survivor series, any review you find 110 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:38.920 all negative. There is not a good thing to be 111 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:49.920 said about the Survivor series. The commentary is so all right. 112 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.160 I watched it, and I'll tell you what. I watched 113 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:53.879 it half cocked. You know, I'm doing the things I'm 114 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:55.600 looking at it, maybe folding some lawn and do playing. 115 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:56.720 With my kids, but I'm watching it. 116 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.680 What it's consistently great about it is the commentary of 117 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.319 Bob Heat and Grilla mo on Soon. Any garbage could 118 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.240 be on television, but listening to them talk, I was 119 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:07.160 I was like, wow, you know, I could see why 120 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.600 someone could think this is bad, but also commentary is 121 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:11.160 just so good. 122 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.720 Oh yeah, they're just so good together. I was watching 123 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.360 some of it, and you know, the comments and other 124 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.279 stuff with Gorilla and Bobby, and I remember one where, 125 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.120 you know, Bobby's commenting how you know he keeps going 126 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:24.160 in and out of the ring, and Gorilla says, so, 127 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.160 I'm gonna I'm gonna throw you in and out of 128 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:27.720 this arena if you don't shut up. You know, like 129 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:29.439 the kind of the stuff that he could say to him. 130 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.800 And that's why that dynamic works so well. I've mentioned 131 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.079 that before, because Bobby he would let Bobby go, go, go, go, 132 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.199 mouthing off, mouth and off, and then it was like 133 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:40.639 the big SmackDown and then Bobby would have to retreat 134 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:42.959 and kind of get okay, get back into the good 135 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.519 graces of Gorilla and they could continue on. And that 136 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.000 was one of the one of the wonderful parts of 137 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.600 their of their dynamic that made it work so well. 138 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.480 So you agree though that you think this is a 139 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:56.360 terrible pay per review. 140 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.560 Now I'm interested to see your perspective on this because 141 00:06:58.600 --> 00:06:59.199 you worked there. 142 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.360 Why do you feel like it is well? 143 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.680 And I think that you have to couple this with 144 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.879 this Tuesday and Texas, which we'll be doing another episode on, 145 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:13.920 which is a whole other hit to dive into. But overall, 146 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:18.360 and you know, I made my living shilling events. That 147 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:22.120 was pretty much what my main job was there. And 148 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:26.439 as I've explained before, you know, Superstars and Wrestling Challenge 149 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.399 were actually just one big commercial that was it was 150 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.240 all those were promotional tools to get people to go 151 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.160 to the house shows, and of course, as we started 152 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.480 with the pay per views, it was all about getting 153 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:43.160 people to buy the pay per views. And this event 154 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.199 Survivor series for a number of reasons, which I will 155 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:51.079 talk about, was one big supercharge. Wrestling Challenge is really 156 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.439 what it came down to. And it's funny I've heard 157 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.720 people make comments of you know, that Undertaker Hulk match 158 00:07:57.759 --> 00:07:59.879 show was you know, the third match in and that's 159 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:02.160 you know, because Hulk Hogan wanted to be home with 160 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.519 a family, Like, come on, that was not it at all. 161 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:07.959 It was brilliant in a sense. Okay, we get this 162 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.759 match over early, we create all this controversy, and then 163 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.000 for the rest of the pay per view we get 164 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.639 to sell what's going to happen next. So I mean, 165 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.319 that's what it was all about. This was a gigantic 166 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.639 promotional event, and I think a lot of people saw 167 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.399 through that. And we had some other moments which are 168 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.439 worth discussing. But when you come down to it, and 169 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.679 I was never a huge fan of these events. When 170 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.240 you had four or five, whatever whatever number of teens 171 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:40.000 you would go in there because after a while, there's 172 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.919 only so much you can do with them, and depending 173 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.360 on their level of skill, whether orut those match were 174 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.279 matches were entertaining, and sometimes you would it would be, 175 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:50.759 you know, two of the guys were good, but the 176 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.240 rest of it was just you know, slop, and so 177 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.720 I was never a huge fan of it. And then 178 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.039 of course they threw in this match with the Hulk 179 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.279 and the Undertaker with all the idea of what was 180 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.759 going to happen next, and to try and do this event. 181 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.799 Can we turn around an event within days and capitalize 182 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:14.559 after over what happened previously these days before, which which 183 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:19.000 was you know, a predecessor to to what they do 184 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.399 even today, where you can have an event like this 185 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.360 and then build something up and just a few days later, 186 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.399 we're going to get some kind of end to it, 187 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:32.360 some kind of thing between these two guys where you 188 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.879 get it settled. So it was, you know, they were 189 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:36.759 trying things out. They wanted to see can. 190 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:37.080 We do this? 191 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.879 The event didn't do great anyway, if you look at 192 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.240 the buy raiate it was down from the year before. 193 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:47.679 And then this Tuesday in Texas, which took place just 194 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:52.639 a few days later, five days later, you know, or 195 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.639 I guess six d it was what Wednesday to a Tuesday. 196 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.320 I don't know the exact dates how it played out 197 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:03.120 day wise, but to turn something around that quickly, you know, 198 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.320 I didn't make some money off, but I think the 199 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:08.919 buy rate for the second event was about half of 200 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:10.960 what they did. I think it was three hundred thousand 201 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.480 something like that. And then this day this said, the 202 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.559 event This Tuesday in Texas did about half of that, So. 203 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.279 Yeah, there you go, you were paying half. It was 204 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.360 twelve ninety five for this Tuesday in Texas. It was 205 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.039 twenty seven dollars and ninety five cents for Survivor series. 206 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.759 But yes, that is the number one feeling I felt 207 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.600 too when watching it for the first time ever. 208 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:33.200 Watching it and you're thinking. 209 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:34.600 Oh, that's gonna be great, and you think, well, hoping 210 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.960 versus Taker is is now okay whatever, or it ends. 211 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:42.360 But this event, when it even starts, When this event starts, 212 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.000 the first thing you see is Jack Tunny promoting. 213 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.000 This Tuesday in Texas. That's the first thing you see. 214 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:51.840 He's talking about the most famous, one of the most 215 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:55.559 disturbing moments ever, the Cobra of biting Macho Man's arm 216 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:56.840 on television. 217 00:10:58.279 --> 00:10:59.679 It's one of the greatest things. 218 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.080 I know, we'll do like a full episode about just 219 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:07.399 that moment at some point. But the outrage that comes 220 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.360 forth from this from fans and being just this is crazy. 221 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.200 What were your thoughts on this? Did you get so 222 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.480 much pushback from this event? That's why you had to, 223 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:17.600 you know, ban reptiles from ringside? 224 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.759 Oh yeah, of course, which which they were hoping, which 225 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.039 they were hoping to God that it would happen, and 226 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.519 it did. They knew that men people are going to 227 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.759 go out of their minds, and they knew that right 228 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.639 away just by the reaction to people at Ringside and 229 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:36.559 that arena, when you know Randy was was locked up 230 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.120 with the cobra. I I first of the couple of things, 231 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.200 I want to give credit to President Jack Tunney because 232 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.320 I think it really if you think he was the 233 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:49.039 perfect person to play that role he and he pulled 234 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:53.120 it off really well and with that authority and you know, 235 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:56.759 the belief and the everything that went with it. But 236 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.080 I just find it so amusing that, you know, all 237 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:06.039 animals are all animals are banned from Ringside and one 238 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:08.480 of the reasons with the cobra is because well, yeah 239 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:12.080 it was a cobra and it and it bit Randy Savage, 240 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.080 but it was the fact that well it was supposed 241 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.360 to be the venomized and and that's like one of 242 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.919 the things he mentions in the in the banning is 243 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.159 that it didn't turn out that way because Randy Savage 244 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.519 ended up in the hospital. That's why we're really outraged 245 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:25.679 here so. 246 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:30.559 That's venomized too, venomized king bit one of your employees 247 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:31.399 that you're in charge of. 248 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:36.519 Yeah, well, I'm telling you that it's just the absurdity 249 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.320 of it all. And the you know, were the banning animals. 250 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:42.840 It's good thing that you know that undertake it didn't 251 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.039 have a buzzard that needed to be ringside because we 252 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:49.080 would see that later. But uh, you know, it just 253 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.919 just went with how just insane all of it was. 254 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.000 And if you didn't catch on right away, because wrestling 255 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.679 fans have always been smart in a lot in many 256 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:01.960 part heart of this, and I think that early on 257 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.039 they realized we're we're getting a little bait and switch 258 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:06.080 happening here, guys. 259 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:08.679 I think, though, how do you. 260 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.360 The king Cobra thing is one of those moments where 261 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.440 you always hear, like, who you don't want to act 262 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:18.039 with animals and children? This king Cobra cannot be controlled 263 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.440 to get off, macho man. It's one of the most 264 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.320 disturbing images you've ever seen. The Camemean Gang close ups 265 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.279 of the snake. And I even sent you a link. 266 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.159 I watched the pre show, the showdown that you hosted 267 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.519 in a bow tie nice tucks looks great, looks great, 268 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:34.519 and they show. 269 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:36.600 This that's the one Bruce Fritchard ruined, by the way, 270 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:37.879 but that's another story. 271 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.440 Oh okay, we'll talk about that later off camera. 272 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:44.399 Vince though, screaming, got a bridge of famized, got a 273 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:47.919 bridge here, and then they then you come back and 274 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.200 you're like, yep, it was venomized. It had venom inside. 275 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:52.879 Somehow. 276 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:58.159 It's evil. Yeah. Yeah, how he survived we will never know. 277 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:02.559 But you know, Jake talks about though that that because 278 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:07.679 of all of the Rigamoreau, the stress that Randy put 279 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:09.519 him through about you know, a brother, I want you 280 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:11.279 to put that and I want to see it bite you, 281 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:13.039 you know, and the whole to make sure it was good. 282 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.000 So Jake talks about before he went out there, you 283 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.480 know with that, with that cobre, he gave it a 284 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:20.960 couple of good you know, that thing was ready to 285 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.240 bite anything, and that's why it locked on. It wasn't 286 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:28.440 going anywhere. Somebody had to pay dude. 287 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:30.279 It's still where I think it's top. 288 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:33.000 That is the top moment, like mankind being like tossed 289 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:34.600 over a hell in the cell, the through it and 290 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:38.840 thumbtacks is just on the level because he controlled. He 291 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:40.840 decided to do those things. He decided to go up there. 292 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.720 This snake is like, I'm gonna eat your and everyone. 293 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.600 He's gonna love it. Yeah, well we'll do We'll do 294 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.639 a full episode later on about why match him in 295 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.720 and Jake had to happen, because obviously Warrior. We did 296 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:56.559 a whole episode about it about war being fired by 297 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:00.399 fitsg Man after SummerSlam ninety one, which changes everything about 298 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.120 this event. But the first thing we see again some 299 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.759 ever series ninety one is Jack Tunny promoting this Tuesday 300 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:10.159 in Texas saying that I know everyone wants Machaban to 301 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.799 be reinstated, but he won't be. But he will be 302 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.879 this Tuesday in Texas, and Jake the Stick is out 303 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:22.039 of his Survivor series. Match imagine you bought this for Jake. Yeah, 304 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.639 they but they do promos, They do promos. They still 305 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:26.879 come out and cut Hey, by the way, this Tuesday 306 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:27.320 in Texas. 307 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:28.759 Hey, this Tuesday in Texas. 308 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.720 Yeah. Well, and you know that said justice was out 309 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:34.480 too now, but at least people had an idea of 310 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:38.679 that before they got out the wallet. But I also 311 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.480 wonder about, you know, the whole thing that you know, 312 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.960 Sid had the damaged elbow. I think that was the 313 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:50.519 injury that they said was inflicted upon him. But you know, 314 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.039 I have to wonder about that. You never really knew 315 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:56.840 what was the work and what wasn't because Sid also 316 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:02.279 loved softball, and it has come out, I mean really 317 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:04.639 that when it came down to it, that Sid really 318 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:09.639 didn't care that much about the business so much, but 319 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.679 he knew it. It was it was a great income. 320 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.480 But you know, you got to imagine an event like this, 321 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.720 it's on Thanksgiving, He's not really He's just going to 322 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:24.159 be a team guy whatever. Oh man. But I know 323 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:27.960 nothing about that. I have no idea if any of 324 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:31.879 that may have have been true. I just knew that 325 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.240 that he liked softball a lot, and there were a 326 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.440 few occasions that he had talked about where you know, 327 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.159 that was something he wanted to do more that week. 328 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:44.799 If you listen to the podcast I did with him 329 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:50.440 on Prime Time with Sean Mooney, he mentions his his 330 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:55.279 fondness for softball. But that's uh, we digress. We get 331 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.919 off the track here because then you have Jake Roberts, 332 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.159 and everybody thinks who's gonna fill Sid's position, Who's going 333 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.400 to be that team member. Actually, who who else could 334 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:12.599 it be? Steve would see that man man. Yes, the 335 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.440 heat that those two have, but what do they do? 336 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:22.519 Randy Savage Jake Roberts has gone to so it's is 337 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:28.000 gonna be less team members. Okay, I guess I already paid, 338 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.480 so I'm gonna watch and see what happens. But what 339 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:30.960 the hell? 340 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:36.119 That's what makes this some ever series so hated because 341 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.160 you have people being pulled from it because you're right again, 342 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.279 I watched that showdown with you hosting it, and I've 343 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.279 watched Random Superstars and Trustan Challenges get Ready for this, 344 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.000 and they acknowledge on television multiple times who is going 345 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.640 to replace Sid. It becomes like a theme through episodes 346 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.440 of Who's going to replace him? Even even the w 347 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.720 WF does a reinstate Macho Men hotline. Well, you could 348 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:03.839 pay seventy nine cents to call the WWF to tell 349 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.640 you that you want Macho Man reinstated. I did the math. 350 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:10.160 Seventy nine cents in nineteen ninety one is only a 351 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.880 dollar eighty five and twenty twenty five as record, this 352 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.599 not a lot, but still then you pull apply. 353 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:19.319 That by thousands though, and it does add up and. 354 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:21.720 You pulled him. You had a doll and then you 355 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:22.119 pull him. 356 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.880 The balls of these people because they do what they're 357 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.599 doing all along. We even had you know, the magazine 358 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.680 was uh, we were putting all kinds of stuff in there, 359 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:38.519 and and going into this, they knew what they were 360 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.480 going to do. Once Sid was out, there wasn't a 361 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.480 whole lot of discussion about, you know what, getting Randy 362 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.319 in there. And I'm sure there was, but I think 363 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:50.799 that they found the advantage of Okay, now we get 364 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.759 we can build this up and then it could help 365 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:58.039 us at the next event. So it really was and 366 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.319 to the WWE's credit at the time, you know, they're 367 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:04.799 trying all kinds of different things. I said before that 368 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.160 you know, Vince had a great team of promotional people 369 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.519 behind it. It wasn't just they weren't necessarily you know, 370 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.200 guys that were wrestling people. They didn't come from wrestle. 371 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:17.720 They came from promotions and what got people's butts into 372 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:22.559 seats and what would get people to buy a pay 373 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.640 per view and spend almost thirty dollars to get it. 374 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.680 So they were experimenting to see how people would react 375 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.079 to this stuff and as I said, was this was 376 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.440 laying the carpet here as we would see the Golden 377 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:42.079 Carpet as it would transpire in the years to come 378 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:45.000 of how they would do these events. So it was 379 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.640 it was an experiment. They were willing to risk, maybe 380 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.680 some fan hire to get there. But you know, overall, 381 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.400 I don't think people it wasn't a point where it 382 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:58.519 was a disaster and people were going, I will never 383 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:02.119 watch the WWE game. There wasn't that. They may have 384 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:07.160 been disappointed, and we'll talk about the big main event, 385 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.200 but overall, you know, I think that it was a 386 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.279 time where you know, they were there was a lot 387 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.839 going on, and they were trying to find ways to 388 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:20.319 keep that audience and keep people coming. 389 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.119 I like that because you know, you go back a 390 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.319 year ago, it's Servery Series nineteen ninety. There's a little 391 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.880 like blurb that Satday Night's main event is going to 392 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.039 be Tomorrow night. So they already obviously taped this event 393 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:33.920 and it's WARR versus Billion Dollar Man. So during the 394 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.920 Spivspery is nineteen ninety, it's barely there, but they acknowledge 395 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:38.319 it for like a split second on the bottom of 396 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.400 the screen that war is gonna fight Million Dollar Man. 397 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:43.200 And I don't know if someone said, like, oh that worked, 398 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:46.319 Like we had an event before the other event that 399 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:49.200 we could use to promote this. So maybe you see 400 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:51.039 a ratings pop you think we can pull the same 401 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.519