WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:15.519 You see something's going to happen. What's gonna happen? What? 2 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:28.320 Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. I'm already screwing 3 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.199 up already and uh yeah, well we got a couple 4 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.119 of rejects here. We got a returning guests and this 5 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:35.600 person we got to meet him in person and awesome, dude. 6 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:38.240 We had a blast with this guy and I definitely 7 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:39.240 wanted to get him back. 8 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:41.159 On after personally metal guys. 9 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:41.600 Awesome. 10 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:43.759 But before we introduce the guest, let me introduce the 11 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.079 other rejects joining us. And today we got headless giant. 12 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:46.840 What is going on? Sir? 13 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:47.880 Thank you very much for being here. 14 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:50.640 How you doing Nick? I love to be here. We 15 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:56.039 just got done doing a massive trialogue on Sundays. Check 16 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.679 that out. Me and Ethan and Ricardo just did it. 17 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.039 So it was fantastic, guys, go check it out. And 18 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:05.760 I've got Alchemy Mondays with Arrows up. Uh so, she's 19 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.319 going to be coming on there and Tuesday we're gonna 20 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.640 be doing more Kabbala seven seven seven with Nick. So 21 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:14.120 check it out and send your stories for my mail 22 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.359 bag to at the Chat Podcast at gmail dot com 23 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:20.480 and we will read those on Thursday. Thank you, blessure. 24 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.079 Thank you very much, sir, and we got Ethan in 25 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:23.640 to go with us. 26 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:24.400 What is going on? 27 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.040 Ethan, thank you very much for coming on. 28 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.079 I'm always excited to be here. Nick, thanks for putting 29 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:35.000 everything together. Ed, thank you for doing Yeah, we we were. 30 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:40.239 I was enthralled with your presentation. Very very interesting. I'm 31 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:45.239 looking forward. When was that, by the way, six. 32 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:54.120 Yeah, probably I don't know, thank you several months ago anyway, 33 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:57.159 probably been there probably been some more discovery since then. 34 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.359 I'm sure, oh, I would think so. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, 35 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:02.439 fascinating topic. 36 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:06.799 I am a writer and an observer of our times. 37 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:11.560 I have, you know, easy to find on the social media, Ethan, Indigo. 38 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:13.159 I got a few books out. 39 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:17.840 There and some articles, write little articles frequently and and 40 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:18.560 books and. 41 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.159 Glad to be here, Indigo pros. 42 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.520 I was just I was just being self gratuitous talking 43 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:37.840 about my writing. Unimportant anyway, Internet canceled you. 44 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:39.240 What is your topic of writing? 45 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.080 If I may ask, Oh, oh, I've I've written on 46 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:45.280 a couple of things of fiction. 47 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:49.080 And that really are not difficult. 48 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.960 I wrote, Uh, that's one of my main books now 49 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:59.520 those I'm intrigued. Yeah, I explore the seven and eight 50 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:05.800 principles in relation to the Bagua and the Eastern excuse me, 51 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:07.360 the Western formation. 52 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:15.240 Of the ogdauad Uh and care or patients. 53 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.719 And that's kind of like with the seed of life. 54 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:26.560 It has the seven concentric circles with the eighth surrounding it. 55 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.919 And when you add patients to your practice or to 56 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.719 your whatever aspect of these principles you you know, or 57 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:39.520 or care patient care, Uh, you really get results in effect, 58 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:43.400 I guess. And it's like the seven chakras and our 59 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:49.560 body or or or you know, container. And I've written 60 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:54.599 a lot about four. I've written a few books kind 61 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.120 of exploring the mage, one being the Matrix of Four 62 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:02.199 and the other being the Fourth and Siation exploring these 63 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:08.039 ideas through uh, philosophical and initiatory kind of concepts. 64 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:13.479 He's actually wrote, he's written a lot actually, so, yeah. 65 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:14.319 I've written a lot. 66 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.800 I don't sell much, you know too, but whatever. 67 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:23.000 Don't you don't advertise watching either, but yeah, so. 68 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.160 It's hard to sell. But it is a nature as 69 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:29.040 a beast, you have to do things that yeah, you 70 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.360 said it, you know. I'm not a painter, but I 71 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.000 suggest painting for the love of painting not painting for 72 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:39.160 the love of commerce. You know, I agree exactly, It's 73 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.279 just their different concepts. Hopefully, one day we'll have some 74 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.399 sort of universal income and everyone can be an artist 75 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:46.160 full time. 76 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.600 So please, even though you've been on here before and 77 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.000 head listen, you can you up let all the other 78 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.040 new listeners and people who don't know you what you. 79 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:59.560 Okay, yeah, I'll just I'll. I've heard some complaints that 80 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.480 I got to go on about my origin story too long, 81 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.680 but I like to suggest that i've you know, I've 82 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.920 been interested in in archaeology since I was an eight 83 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.959 year old kid in Bridgeport, Pennsylvania, and I found a 84 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.959 little Egyptian Shapti sarcophagus in the front yard of all places, 85 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.720 probably someone souvenir or jewelry, who knows, But I think 86 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:22.720 the point was it told that little kid that there 87 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.560 is mysteries in the world still to be solved, that 88 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:29.920 not everything is so cut and dry. And then later 89 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.639 on I saw this show In Search of with Leonard Nimoy, 90 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.040 which is why I always do my show. He'll be 91 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:41.079 my plug. Let's Talk tried ACTLS at seven pm Sunday's 92 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.839 Eastern Standard time, just because I want to mimic that 93 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.560 wonderful time slot that I used to watch seven PM, 94 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.319 which reminds me. A nice segue is Let's moment of 95 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.720 silence for the original Let's Rest in Peace. Eric von 96 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:02.279 donnikin the original Ancient Alien Theorists has transgress to other 97 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.319 realms or dimensions or what have you. 98 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:08.079 What did that happen? When did he die? 99 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:12.680 I think yesterday? Oh wow? Or maybe it was today 100 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.160 but it was a different time zone. 101 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:14.680 Wow. 102 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:15.959 What's the date today? 103 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:17.800 Today is the eleventh? 104 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.399 Yeah, he may have died today in Europe. Possibly, Wow, 105 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.360 I had no idea. Interesting. So yeah, so let's remember 106 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.199 von Donakin were without him, we wouldn't have likely the 107 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:33.160 first two in Search of Us we're actually movies with 108 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.560 Rod Sterling from twilight Zone, and I think he actually 109 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.759 narrates one of them. Maybe maybe he direates two. So 110 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.240 you want the narrator of Twilight Zone doing your in 111 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.959 search of ancient alien stuff, definitely watch those things. But yeah, 112 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.279 so also in Search of is where I saw the 113 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.680 Patterson video. You know, people say, hey, did you became 114 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.199 an archaeologist to be like Indiana Jones? And actually it 115 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:59.199 was the Bigfoot video because I told my mother about 116 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.759 the Bigfoot video. She said it was fake, and then 117 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:04.519 her aunts gave me the time Life collection of books 118 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.439 and there was Evolution, Early Man. And I saw the 119 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.160 Early Man book and I was like, oh, so things 120 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.319 like this really existed on the planet, so maybe that's 121 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.439 not fake. And so that was that's what propelled me. 122 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.360 You know, I'm also a sometimes actor, so I could 123 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.040 have went in the theater. Thankfully, I guess I was 124 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:24.920 already a working actor. I'm like, now, let me do 125 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:28.199 something I like, right, and I had. I even had 126 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.399 a revelation once I was bartending and I was reading 127 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.120 Carl Sagan's book The what is it The Demon Haunted World? 128 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.040 I think it was called. I think I left the 129 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:37.480 book there by the way. I don't think I fished. 130 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:39.600 I remember closing it and saying, I'm going to major 131 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.120 in anthropology, and that's what I did. I majored in anthropology. 132 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.199 It's a dual degree with social sciences and an ethnic 133 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.160 studies background. While I was at school, I ran the 134 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.560 LAMBD Alpha Anthropology club, and I started volunteering at the 135 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:57.600 local museum, which turned into greater opportunities, and I later 136 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:02.079 became from a free free to a free volunteer and 137 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:05.120 just a tour guide. It became the activities coordinator and 138 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:12.879 ran their education department, which also provided archaeologists opportunities. So 139 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:16.519 the museum did contracted work. We worked with another company 140 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.319 named Janice that was working with Army Corps of Engineers. 141 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:23.279 The Army Corps of Engineers, you know, years ago they 142 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.040 had stopped the flow of okeechobee. So they had gone 143 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.120 back and they started reflowing the water back, fixing the 144 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.920 problems they started. And so we would do surveys in 145 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.840 old sugarcane fields and whatnot, old cowfields too. You know 146 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:37.960 it's you know it's in old you know it's in cowfields, 147 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:42.000 right guys. So those were fun times, you know. And 148 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.279 even one time I got to choose the dig site 149 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:47.720 and digging through the site, lo and behold, pulled a 150 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:51.240 white shirt. Projectile point. So when people asked me if 151 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.679 you were an archaeologist, I was a paid working archaeologist. 152 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.720 And you know, whether you're a newbie or you have 153 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.960 a bachelor's degree or you're a doctor, everybody's digging. Everybody 154 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.519 took turns with the shovel and the sifter. I'm glad 155 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:08.799 I was sifting when I found the chirt arrowhead. So yeah, 156 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.000 that's my background there. I've also been the paleotech for 157 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.240 Bobby to Palma. Bobby to Palma is sort of a 158 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:18.320 paleontological prodigy when he was younger. I guess he's been 159 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.840 around now, but he's on BBC's Attenborough. So these are 160 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.000 the type of people that, you know. My friends were 161 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.720 all I called the silly hat gang. And that's what 162 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.399 I liked about going to the quest or ancient civilizations. 163 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.440 Everybody's running around with their silly hats and it reminded 164 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:33.879 me of the old days with my buddies. 165 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:41.240 Do a museum work, right, nice story, man, So what 166 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.039 got you into trite dactyls? 167 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.360 You know? I ignored the Google feed like probably millions of 168 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:51.960 other people right literally, And my girlfriend came and she's like, 169 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.679 did you take a look at those alien mummies? And 170 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:56.639 I'm like, she's like, I think you want to take 171 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.000 another look at that. So I cite her as a 172 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.320 sort of interesting point of She was a point of 173 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:07.120 my She was my point of authority, meaning that I 174 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:12.360 trusted her further analysis for me to continue and analyze more. 175 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:16.360 And I think that's where some of this starts. So yeah, 176 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:18.320 some of this might start with a trust me bro, 177 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:23.720 you know that's cool. So so, but but that's where 178 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.480 I first looked into it, and I saw the testimonies 179 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:32.279 and slide shows of doctor jose Zalce Benitez, who happens 180 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:35.759 to be the lead forensic officer for the Mexican Navy. 181 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:40.120 So he's a forensic anthropologist. You know, my bioanthropology teacher 182 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:43.240 was a forensic anthropologist. He would do uh, they would 183 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.960 like call him out of professional witness to like identify 184 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:50.320 bodies and like mass graves and whatnot. And so that's 185 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.759 just mentioning the sort of mentors and men that you know, 186 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.759 I've experienced. For example, I went and visited the Miami Circle. 187 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:03.480 We had had a private ground survey walking survey with 188 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.960 a Russian geologist and the Miami Dade archaeologist, the Lake 189 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.759 Gary Bider, who is my mentor. I gotta be careful, gentleman, 190 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:13.279 when you get older. I think about, you know, what 191 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.960 your testostero level changes. I can get emotional about any 192 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.399 of this stuff, you know, because I'm reminiscing, I'm talking 193 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.720 about people in the past. I've probably already been broken 194 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.080 down on your show. Yeah, I've done it a couple 195 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.080 of times. I've gotten better. Yeah, I've gotten I thought. 196 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:28.480 I was like, yo, this is the first time he's 197 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:30.080 on here, this guy's crying. I was like, funk, what 198 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:30.360 do we do? 199 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.679 It's you know, it's the funny thing. I'm an actor. 200 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.399 She could say I was acting, but really it's the 201 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.039 actors that are in touch with their emotions and that's 202 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.000 why we you know, we could do the scenes because 203 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:45.960 what am I gonna do. I'm probably gonna do a 204 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.080 scene one day. I'm gonna remember my time on your show, 205 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.799 as you know, motivation, that's how it works, not vice versa. 206 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.480 You know. Uh yeah, so it's happened. I've gotten you know, 207 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.679 emotional thinking how the Maori call these little green heart 208 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:03.440 shape beings with three fingers and three toes ancestors. That's 209 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.639 choked me up before, like why is that the case? 210 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.919 So anyway, it wasn't just Zouce Benitez though and his testimony, 211 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:14.799 But you would think that a forensic anthropologist who happens 212 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:17.360 to work for the Mexican Navy would be enough for 213 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.320 people to accept this story, but instead it turns into 214 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:26.879 ad hominin attacks and strange petty focuses, which isn't on 215 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.799 the science. If you catch people talking about people during 216 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.320 this whole Nasca mummies thing, that's a problem. It's not 217 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.879 about the people. It's about the science of the bodies. 218 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:41.240 Let's look at numbers, let's look at things. Everything else 219 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:46.120 is just minutia. So I also read Cliff Miles report, 220 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:51.960 who's a Canadian paleontologist. I was almost forget what he was. 221 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.000 He's a published, peer reviewed paleontologist, so he's written papers 222 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:59.720 on dinosaurs. Unfortunately, he may have made a critical error 223 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:05.440 of combining his report on the tridactyls with a history 224 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.919 of ufology, which may have tainted the report because now 225 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.200 you have a bunch of speculative stuff. What's he laughing about? 226 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:13.200 I can't even here. 227 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.159 I see you laughing the comment that somebody posted on 228 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.039 the bottom cast one. 229 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:23.720 Hundred times better than Jorge de Ros and we're like, yop, there. 230 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:24.679 Was a guest that fucked. 231 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:36.639 Yeah, definitely, Oh lord. Yeah. So Cliff Miles wrote a 232 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:39.200 you know, a paper report that you could read with 233 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:42.440 the stands. And so for me, coming from a background 234 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:46.240 a museum background of anthropology and paleontology, to hear these 235 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.639 two guys speak, I can at least understand where they 236 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.039 were coming from, and I could see what they were 237 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:56.720 pointing out as anomalous, strange features. Now, for me, the 238 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:00.360 personal enlightenment was, and I mean almost almost in a 239 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:06.240 wooful spiritual fashion, is that on the day of a 240 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.879 solar eclipse. Even to add to the mythology, it was 241 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.960 October twenty twenty three and I wrote up. I woke 242 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.279 up and said, I got to write this down, and 243 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.399 I started writing my constant companion theory we were never 244 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:23.279 alone based on the fact I recognized the tridactyls from 245 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:27.840 petroglyphs in both Canada and the Caribbean. So you can 246 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.799 imagine my poor girlfriend when I'm looking at her saying 247 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:34.480 I know what these are. I've seen these before. She's 248 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:36.960 thinking I'm nuts and them. But when we go and 249 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.120 if you want, we can look at those today. When 250 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.000 you look at these petroglyphs, you see heart shaped, benign 251 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:47.200 looking faces with three fingered hands. And there's other peripheral 252 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:51.879 petroglyphs that are associated with these. There's spirals that could 253 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:58.559 represent water or fertility or both, serpents and mother goddess imagery, 254 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.480 all this with this tritactal imagery, and so that was 255 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:08.039 the beginning of my personal journey. Is that understanding what 256 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:12.200 they were saying about the bodies, registering that these were real, 257 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.159 living things, and that's like a it's like a turn 258 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.679 key sort of event that happens in your brain. It's 259 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.120 believing that what you're seeing is real. I think, and 260 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.080 I think we may literally be seeing amongst a public 261 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.759 is a literal cognitive dissonance might be happening, and it sounds. 262 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:34.399 I hate to guess motives. I hate to play armchair 263 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:38.679 psychologist I do or sociologists because we're talking about mass 264 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.919 events here. But I think some of that's happening, and 265 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.759 it's It's been very important for me to be very 266 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.600 upfront and it's truthful, and I'm not going to tiptoe 267 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:52.000 around this, and let's just get to what I suggest 268 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.879 these things are and then everyone can move on with 269 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.639 whatever their belief system is. But I would like to 270 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.799 give everyone a base to go from. Too many talking 271 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.519 heads are coming onto shows going well, they have three 272 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.360 fingers and three toes and big heads, and that's all 273 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.039 we know right now. I know a lot more especially 274 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.039 when you look at the little ones. But I think 275 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.759 the focus was made for the bigger ones because I 276 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:20.519 think the two teams of researchers there's essentially the Mexican 277 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.759 team and a Peruvian team. I guess they're collaborating, plus 278 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:28.799 myself independently, I think those researchers wanted to focus on 279 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:30.519 the bigger ones. They may have thought that that was 280 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:34.960 an easier hurdle to demonstrate validity because so many other 281 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.759 people were associating the sixty centimeter ones with a couple 282 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:42.080 of dolls that were confiscated at the airport. To be honest, 283 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:44.120 I don't I would like to look at one of 284 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:47.440 those dolls, and maybe one is a doll, but was 285 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:51.080 the other one even examined or is a light now 286 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.519 cast on the Ministry of Culture elements of it because 287 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:59.159 they have come around, they've recognized Maria and Juawita now 288 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:04.839 as culture heritage artifacts. It's an important legal move that 289 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:07.400 I think had to be done if we wanted to 290 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.920 stop seeing these bodies spirited out of the country. Is 291 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.079 ultimately think yes, let's let's go into. 292 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:17.839 Your constant contact paper, because I think that gives everybody 293 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:22.759 a proper frame constant companion that gives everybody the groundwork 294 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.319 that you're working on. It's we're not talking about something 295 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:30.160 that's alien. We're talking about hey, deeply ingrained in our 296 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:31.279 subconscious minds. 297 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.640 Right. So, you know, the tried axles has been because 298 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.599 they are this sort of big uh, they're this big 299 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:44.440 event and they're this this paradigm shifting event. I know 300 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.519 it sounds, it always sounds. It sounds like I'm being hyperbolic. 301 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.319 I'm actually trying to just be as clear as possible 302 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.240 that this seems to be a paradigm shifting event. And 303 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:58.640 it has allowed me the freedom of reimagining past interpretations 304 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:03.400 of artifacts and and perhaps seem interpretations how history went down. 305 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:08.440 It's allowed me to find other valid hypotheses that we 306 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.359 can now form into a new one. So, yeah, the 307 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.680 big part of the constant companion theory that was part 308 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.359 of the Enlightenment was the heart shaped faces of the 309 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.480 beings that are found in all the petroglyphs. Now, it's beautiful, 310 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.559 it's great. You have to paint it, I suggest green, 311 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:29.839 but yeah, there's heart shaped. These heart shape images are 312 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.240 all all over the planet, and even if you just 313 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:33.839 go to Peru, you don't have to. You don't have 314 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.519 to follow any of mine. Just go to the Parrakous cultures, 315 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.599 nasca cultures, warry cultures. Look at their ceramics, look at 316 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:47.559 their fabrics. There are little, benign looking, cherub faced tridactal beings. 317 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:49.880 I mean, this are a lot of It looks like 318 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.680 this is either a first person witness or you know, 319 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.039 my dad saw this and this is what he told 320 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:59.240 me to to create. Those weren't the only ones I 321 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.079 mentioned Bella Cool of Canada, the Caribbean. I mean, I 322 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.400 should probably take a trip to the Caribbean. That's really 323 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.799 where the or or I should be searching limestone around 324 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.039 Florida to see if I can find my own, right 325 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:14.680 forget the ones that are already found. That would be great. 326 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.440 But from there I found the Tiki of the Maori, 327 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.720 which they call the ancestor. As I mentioned, the Syrian 328 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.640 ie idols of tel Brack, which are these little gingerbread 329 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:30.559 looking ets, perhaps the watchers from our biblical stories, because 330 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.039 what is one of the biggest features of these beings 331 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:38.279 is the eyes. The Permian bronze animal style castings, which 332 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:42.880 is a European culture now, which depicts little bronze depictions 333 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:46.960 of three figure families with three fingers, almost as though 334 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:52.319 they've captured this image in time. It's almost a candid 335 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:57.720 look of a family of tridactyls. Of course, the Dogu ceramics. 336 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:01.119 Did I say that, right? The Dogon ceramics, No, see, 337 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.559 I am getting it. There's the Dogu. There's probably a connection, right, 338 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.119 there's the Dogon of Africa, and then there's the Joan 339 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.880 of Japan. But I'm just probably there probably is a connection. 340 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.119 But anyway, they're ceramics some of the best almost hyper 341 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.799 realistic depictions of what I think trit actles. And that 342 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:24.640 culture also runs with another material artifact called the magatama, 343 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:30.279 which looks like little larvas or little other archaeologists say 344 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.559 embryos or fetuses, you know. And the other big cultural 345 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:40.519 complex that really really sparked my interest was the the 346 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:46.079 Hongshan pig dragon artifacts. So these here. When I first 347 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.000 saw these, many of the this is this might be 348 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:53.279 a replica, but perfect replica if it is, these may 349 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:57.880 out of jade. I realized, oh, this looks like a 350 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.200 trit axle. I think they were aware of the beings. 351 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:09.200 It's another strange one, very strange, and so I got 352 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.000 three of those. Today I got three hon Sham pig 353 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:17.119 dragons and those that complex also has dragon men and 354 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:21.799 other different extends to other shapes and whatnot. So it 355 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:26.160 seemed to me, after going back and looking at all 356 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.640 these cultures, it would seem as though in the Caribbean 357 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:34.240 there are mother goddesses to the Maori, their ancestors to 358 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:38.519 the Syrians, they were fertility beings. And there's even I 359 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:42.240 think hyperrealistic stone carving of Maki make in the cave 360 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:46.799 on Easter Island as a creator being. So all of 361 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:50.559 these myths, of all these hard shaped beings, many with 362 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.960 three fingers, all seem to be saying the same thing, 363 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.559 these are some sort of creator beings. This is not 364 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.680 my This is not my belief. This is what I 365 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:08.519 found through interpretation. Now again the skeptics, rather than the 366 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:11.440 skeptics will probably attack this as how will they attack 367 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.319 this coincidence? Usually that's the other thing, coincidence, paradolia. I 368 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.319 get paradolia for that and the biology. So many times 369 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:20.720 it's just like, you know, there's another cham I think 370 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:24.599 it's called agnosia, which is which means you look at 371 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:26.480 something and you don't know what the hell you're looking at. 372 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:31.160 So when people say paradolia, I say, okay, maybe it's agnosia. 373 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:40.400 I believe it's the pronunciation uh too good stuff. 374 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.839 Exactly. So let's let's talk about when when these artifacts 375 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.480 were first on earth, and there has been a lot 376 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.519 of controversy. We've even seen the government of Peru actually 377 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:55.880 try to get active in taking these artifacts and being 378 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.079 stopped in the process. They actually attacked one of the 379 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:04.119 press conferences looking for these artifacts and trying to take them, 380 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.400 and a lot of people miss that. It's this is 381 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.480 at the heart of the politics in Peru. 382 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.519 Yeah, but it looks like there's gonna be cooperation now 383 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:20.880 because now that Peru has designated Maria and Wawita as 384 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:24.720 cultural heritage pieces. But not only that, they're cultural heritage 385 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.880 pieces under the care of aika Eca University, as they 386 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.400 have been these people. I know they're gonna need funding. 387 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.200 I see how the mummies are being stored. I would 388 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:39.079 love to somehow, you know, be a part of the 389 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:43.079 fundraising and helping this museum get started, because we're gonna 390 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:48.279 need climate control and security and sprinklers. It's a lot, 391 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.759 and it's all these things deserve all of that and 392 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:53.559 more well ed. 393 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.440 What we've seen throughout all of history is that sometimes 394 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.960 the most otherworldly of artifacts get treated with the most 395 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.160 otherworldly of irresponsibility too. We find it over and over 396 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.160 again when it comes to giant skeletons and all these 397 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.000 other artifacts that go into the museum and never make 398 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.720 it out. That's what I'm concerned about. 399 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:16.720 Oh yeah, yeah, and and and so obviously a government 400 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:20.200 has a dangerous role in that, but I think it's 401 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.480