WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.639 Plot Save America has brought to you by simply Safe. 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:03.960 Summer travel season is officially here. Don't put a damper 3 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:06.160 on your vacation wondering whether or not you remember to 4 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:08.359 lock up the house. Let a simply Safe system put 5 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:09.599 your mind at ease so you can get back to 6 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:12.160 the good stuff you know. John Lovett set up is 7 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:13.759 simply Safe and we haven't been able to shut up 8 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.440 about it for the last ten years. True, but it 9 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:18.600 was easy to set up and you can arm it 10 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:22.280 right from your phone, and it's provided him great security 11 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:24.600 all these years. 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Right now, our listeners will 21 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:49.520 get fifty percent off a new system when you sign 22 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.320 up for professional monitoring and your first month is free. 23 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.119 Just visit simply safe dot com slash crooked. That's half 24 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:57.520 off at simply safe dot com slash crooked. There's no 25 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:22.760 safe like simply safe. Welcome to podave America. 26 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.719 I'm John Favrerum, I'm Dan Pfeifer, I'm John love. 27 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.120 It, Tommy Petre. We are coming to you from the 28 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:30.560 Obama Presidential Center in Chicago. I think this is the 29 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:36.239 first ever podcast recorded from the Obama Presidential Center. I 30 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:38.719 just made that up. Yeah, but writing Library, I mean 31 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:40.799 it opened today, So that's what I'm saying. It open today, 32 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.560 So I think that we Yeah, how are you? It's 33 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.239 my nice and it's reallyank you. This is the president 34 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:50.239 beautiful Presidential Reading Room in the branch of the Chicago 35 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:54.000 Public Library. Don't see our book? Yeah, I should probably 36 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:58.319 donate one. You see Dan's book, any book. 37 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:00.519 I've heard rumors that our books are in here, but 38 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:00.920 I can't. 39 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:02.400 Oh, I see a Life of Pie. 40 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:05.400 Anyway, we'll come back to this. I see what it takes. 41 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:06.480 Oh, I see my book right there. 42 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:08.639 Oh it's over from what it takes now. 43 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.240 If you're just listening on the audio, I know this 44 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.639 is riveting us looking around at the books. 45 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:15.840 Hey, let's let's hey, let's stop navel gazing about the books, 46 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.080 start navel gazing about the event. 47 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:21.879 So we just came from the event and we just 48 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.000 toured the museum for the first time. We're calling a 49 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.199 museum the center, the Center, the Center Library. Yeah, yeah, 50 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.759 it's I think it's it's the Obama Presidential Center is 51 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:32.919 the official name. And we just we just took a 52 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:35.039 little tour. Would you guys think not of the event, 53 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:36.719 of the of what we just saw on all the 54 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:37.800 all the floors, Stan. 55 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:40.680 It's I mean, I would very emotional for us to 56 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:42.560 walk through it and see from the beginning of the 57 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.840 campaign through the White House, the good moments, the bad moments. 58 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:48.719 But it's I mean, it's really it's very very powerful. 59 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.479 Yeah, I love it. What how did you feel about 60 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.639 what you tried so hard to stop from happening? 61 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:56.639 Yeah, I mean so poorly. 62 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:58.039 Yeah. 63 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.120 I think that the beginning of the museum about the 64 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.719 ways in which I couldn't prevent this from happening. And 65 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:05.599 as you move up through the floors, I've become more 66 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:06.719 and more excited to be a part of it. 67 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:10.240 Every time we went by an exhibit, and wanted to 68 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.439 like take a picture there love it would say like no, no, no, 69 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:13.360 this is stolen valor. 70 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:13.639 I can't. 71 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.439 Yeah, it's before Yeah, the as you get into the administration, 72 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.199 then I feel like I can celebrate. But when it's 73 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.840 you know, the sign sealed, delivered speech in New Hampshire, 74 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:23.280 if you're like, well, it's kind of on another side 75 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:23.439 of that. 76 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:25.879 But it was weird. 77 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.400 Me just started yelling about caucus rules. That was strange. 78 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.719 Yeah, super delegates, they're legitimate, the super delegates. It's part 79 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:36.360 of the process. Respect the process, but it's strange to 80 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.599 see something set up. It's great to experience it for us, 81 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.039 but it isn't really set up for us. It's set 82 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.360 up to kind of take people through something they might 83 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.039 not know about, and it is set up for a 84 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.000 longer timeline. It's set up for people to experience over 85 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:52.000 a very long time. And it is interesting to see 86 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:57.960 things you experienced written in just such a declarative, past tense, 87 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.280 like this is what happened, this was the history of. 88 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:01.840 This night is history, and it's history. 89 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:03.000 We're so old. 90 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:05.639 Our jobs in a museum. 91 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.879 Yeah that is true, Tommy, what you think I mean? 92 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:13.199 The museum's amazing. Everyone's just come check it out. I mean, 93 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:15.840 Michelle Obama talked about how they wanted it to be interactive. 94 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.279 So there's lots of exhibits and speeches and stories of 95 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:21.160 individual people, but you can shoot hoops and there's a 96 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:22.959 We're literally in a library where you can take out 97 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.879 a book or you can hang out to a picnic. 98 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:27.360 I think the thing that's been amazing for me and 99 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:31.360 emotional is just all the people we've gotten to just 100 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:33.480 run into. It's like, when I go back to DC, 101 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:35.639 you run into a lot of people, and a lot 102 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.439 of the time you don't want to run into them. Here, 103 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:40.199 I've run into a lot of people and every time 104 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.839 it's like, I'm so excited to see this person. It's 105 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:45.639 a blast from the past. Like Hannah and I we're 106 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.680 dealing with a snaffoo on our bracelets to get in 107 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:50.879 and we ended up in a ten minute line behind 108 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.399 adamal McRaven and I was like, Oh, Hannah, this is 109 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.680 the guy who did the bin laden operation. Like that's 110 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.279 a conversation they don't have every day. 111 00:04:58.360 --> 00:04:59.639 His bracelet was also incorrect. 112 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.680 That was he was not allowed into the event. Our 113 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:07.600 friend Joshua Dubois who's like, we've known forever who used 114 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.480 to play pranks in the office, and one time changed 115 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:12.759 it so my outlook every time I wrote the word 116 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.160 the it auto corrected to bag of assholes. He gave 117 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:19.120 the prayer and invocation. I just wanted to say that 118 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.680 when Tommy realized this, he didn't think it was a prank. 119 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.000 And Tommy's just typing emails and he's like, we're in 120 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:25.879 the Senate office at the time. It's two thousand and six. 121 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:28.040 He's like, every time I write an email, all of 122 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:29.959 a sudden just says bag of assholes. It's like, I 123 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.000 don't I'm sure. I was like, almost positive I didn't 124 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.040 write bag of assholes in this. 125 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:34.959 How are you? 126 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:35.560 We're not more sure. 127 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:38.240 It's like when mad Befoters thought that she was hacked 128 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:39.759 because she had spilled water on her space bar. 129 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.560 Yes, it was the first story I thought of. And 130 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.000 I'm like, and now he's the pastor at this event. 131 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:47.920 Josh walked up to me last night. I said, what's up, 132 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.480 you bag of assholes? Anyway, Eddie Vedder was here. He 133 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.439 did a musical number with some thirteen to fourteen year 134 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.279 old kids. They composed it, they put it together they 135 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.439 played it in front of four presidents of the United States. 136 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.120 Like the whole has just been it's very cool and 137 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:03.879 inspiring and a home game for us. 138 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:05.680 The other thing about the museum just that I think 139 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:11.040 is really noteworthy, is it is about like how people 140 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.920 can learn from what Obama did, what people are on 141 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.720 Obama did, and do similar things going forward. Like the 142 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:24.040 whole idea is to inspire people to take their community, 143 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:25.959 their country, their lives in their own hands and try 144 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:27.720 to bring change like that. The entire thing, from top 145 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.720 to bottom and every place of this is about like 146 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:31.240 the core. 147 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:35.800 Yeah, he's a very young ex president, as he mentioned today, 148 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:40.319 not that young, but young enough, and also started as 149 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.720 a community organizer here in Chicago. And so I do 150 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.360 think that they were very you know, the the intention 151 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.800 of the Whole Museum or in the Whole Center from 152 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.600 the beginning was that it wasn't just like somewhere we 153 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.879 could walk around and see exhibits or just like a 154 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.399 traditional presidential library, but that it would be a place, 155 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:57.600 be a community center where like people can go be 156 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.920 inspired to you know, run for off or help their 157 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.439 community or And so I really think they achieved that. 158 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:07.000 I love the museum. I mean I went I first 159 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:09.720 game Tuesday with Emily and the kids, brought Charlie and 160 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.040 Teddy and they lasted a couple hours before before, Teddy 161 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.160 had had a meltdown when he tried to eat the 162 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:18.240 fake apple and the fake oval office didn't go, didn't 163 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.959 couldn't eat it, wanted a real apple. Yeah, cried a lot. 164 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.519 We left in there. But before that, I do think 165 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.839 that the campaign, there's a whole level dedicated to the campaign, 166 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.279 and it tells the whole story of the campaign from 167 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.360 beginning to end. And the last panel after you watch 168 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.800 the video is Grant Park. And the way they tell 169 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.720 the Grant Park story is through newscasts from all over 170 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.360 the world announcing that he won, and it just like 171 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.639 interviews people in like Africa and people in Europe and 172 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.000 people in like Selma here and just talking about what 173 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:51.720 it meant to them. And I was just watching that 174 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:53.920 and I'm like, oh, yeah, see, this is a great 175 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.560 country and we can like this is we complain about 176 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:58.240 it a lot, and there's a lot of bad things 177 00:07:58.319 --> 00:07:59.519 going on right now, but I'm like, this is a 178 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:00.680 a great country. 179 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.480 The uh, you know, we'll talk about the speech is more, 180 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.759 but I was just thinking about nostalgia walking through the museum, 181 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:08.399 and this a poll that came out the other day 182 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.319 that said, which of the previous presidents do you think 183 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.920 was did the best job? And Obama is the leading 184 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.279 president of people who have a positive view of him 185 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:19.600 in hindsight. And you walk around this museum and it 186 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.040 has this hopeful view of the country about you know, 187 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.240 the relationship between organizing a community and democracy, civic responsibility, empathy, 188 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.879 and you know, the old fashioned civic virtues. And I 189 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.799 did by myself thinking walking around, Okay, this was and 190 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:40.840 is persuasive to people. And I'm leaving thinking, okay, but 191 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:42.960 let's be honest. This where ope, This museum is opening 192 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.679 at a time in which, like Trump, it's part of 193 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:47.360 the speeches, it is part of this event that people 194 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:48.879 are aware of what's happening in the country. 195 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.240 And like, what are the ways in which this was 196 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.960 not made durable after right? 197 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:57.080 What are the ways in which either this vision of 198 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.159 the country wasn't as persuasive as we hoped it would be, 199 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.919 or we did not uphold it and use it to 200 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.639 make the best case possible to prevent Trump from winning 201 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:07.919 not once but twice. And that was also on my 202 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.480 mind because I'm not a nostalgic person by nature, and 203 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.480 so I was sort of stuck on that and think 204 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.759 I was trying to like challenge myself to think, Okay, 205 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.559 this obviously is a vision that I respect and appreciate. 206 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:20.960 What are the ways in which it wasn't able to 207 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.679 fully bring more people along after Obama was gone. 208 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.480 It's funny that what was stuck in my head before 209 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.840 coming here, I was thinking about it a lot, and 210 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.200 then having I spent today listening to President Obama and 211 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.720 Michelle and going through the center, I think that the 212 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.159 answer is, at least their answer is that it's not 213 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.480 ever going to be durable, like that is the whole 214 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:47.240 point of not just America, but like human nature, that like, 215 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.360 we're always going to have these moments where, you know, 216 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.200 people's I talk about better angels, people's worst angels take 217 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.960 over and that's in progress doesn't happen in a straight line. 218 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:01.840 And so I think their answer is everyone has to 219 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:03.960 just get to work right it ever has to just 220 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:06.080 keep going and keep and like and don't give into 221 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.559 like cynicism and don't you know and don't give up. 222 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:10.440 And the first part Museum doesn't actually start with the 223 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:14.559 Obama stories. It actually starts with the key moments in history. 224 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.039 They're like the one we're in right now where bad 225 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.600 things are happening, you know, whether it or where there 226 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:21.080 are real problems in the country. They're be changed with 227 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:24.480 the civil rights movement, the suffrage movement, all of that stuff, 228 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.360 the labor movement, and the I think the answer to 229 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:29.039 that is it's like, at every point it's not always 230 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.759 going to be good. But every time it's been bad 231 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.399 and we have dealt with it, it is because regular 232 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.399 people came together, they started organizing, they started working, they 233 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.720 started voting, and they brought change. And that we can 234 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:43.360 the I think the true message of that, so we 235 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.080 can do that again. And they didn't write like, obviously 236 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.759 this museum was not made for the Trump era. Yeah, 237 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.159 because it's going to be around for one hundred years 238 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.799 after that. But I like, and this is like always 239 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.000 core in what a weh I'm talking about in the 240 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:59.320 Selma speech that adorns the the building itself, is that 241 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:00.960 we are always going to have moments like these and 242 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.480 we're going to have to come together to get out 243 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.840 of them. And so you know, maybe a few years 244 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:06.360 from now things will look much more like they did 245 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.080 in two thousand and eight, and. 246 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:09.559 That looked like twenty sixteen. Again, who knows. 247 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.840 Yeah, well, yeah, I think it's the idea that, yes, 248 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:13.600 that is that you step back too, all right, this 249 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.360 is this is the path of progress. Two steps forward, 250 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.720 one step back. There are times where you where people 251 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:24.000 give into their fears, in their whatever, their smallness. But 252 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:26.840 part of the work of getting out of it is 253 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:28.840 not just stepping back and saying we will come together 254 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:29.440 and figure it out. 255 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:30.320 It's like what happened? 256 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.639 Right, Like, what are the ways in which this vision 257 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.399 of America seemed to some people to be either like 258 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:43.080 false or hollow in some way, or you know, not 259 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.039 able to be replicated by the candidates that follow. 260 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:50.279 Two things. One back to Teddy. It's really cool and 261 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.240 a thing people probably didn't know that you could walk 262 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.320 into the Oval office and there was a bowl of 263 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:56.960 apples on the coffee table between the two couches, and 264 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:59.360 people would just take them and eat them. And actually, 265 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.399 the actual bull that was on Barack Obama's coffee table 266 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.600 for eight years is now in this museum because our 267 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:06.240 friend fary Il just had it at her house. Yeah, 268 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.559 and now it's here. That's I think, a fun little 269 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:10.960 anecdote people don't know. And two on the speeches. I mean, 270 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:14.360 I literally was just talking to Josh Shapiro, Governor of Pennsylvania, 271 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:18.519 No big deal watch and as I'm talking to and 272 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.000 it comes up, She's like, can we go to have 273 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:20.879 some food? Like this? 274 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:21.320 Come on? 275 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.519 Come anyway? He and I were talking about like whether 276 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.000 it's a Jewish energy. He and I were talking about 277 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.080 whether you know we watched the speech and felt like 278 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.799 the reaction to the speaks part of the conversation, like 279 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:36.000 do we think what he was saying is still real? 280 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.039 Like that there are that people really do want decency 281 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.480 and to bring people together and a politics that just 282 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.240 delivers for them. Because it's so easy to see the 283 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.639 social media part of politics and owning each other and 284 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.559 the viciousness from Trump and the moments I feel myself 285 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.600 falling into being a shittier person online, just like dunking 286 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:58.080 on people on Twitter. And honestly, my reaction to Barack 287 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.360 Obama's speech was it made me want to be a 288 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:02.720 better person, and it made me want to be more 289 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.840 like him and more like civically engaged and to pay 290 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.519 more attention to the messages we're hearing out of people 291 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.919 like Shapiro and James tallerco. That are asking us to 292 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:14.919 kind of get back to that brand of politics. 293 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.519 I one thousand percent believe that the winning twenty twenty 294 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:21.159 eight candidate will be someone who offers a version of 295 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:21.639 that message. 296 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:23.320 Ye, So to turn the. 297 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.519 Page on this era division of terribleness for something better. 298 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:26.759 It's not. 299 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:28.480 It's more exactly the same as mom. As much as 300 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.200 the world has changed people, you know, everyone's you know, 301 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:32.840 we have a lot of callousies and scar tissue over 302 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.559 the last decade, but something that is more like that 303 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.200 than the liberal inverse of Trump. 304 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.720 It's funny. I think just the nature of the trip 305 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:43.559 and we've been doing a whole bunch of things last 306 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.519 couple of days that I haven't really been on my 307 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.200 phone as much. And then where we were sitting, Dan 308 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.480 and I were like really trying to get service and 309 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:52.000 then trying to like figure out how to get on 310 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:53.799 the Wi Fi, and it just wasn't happening. And so 311 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.000 like I have seen no takes of any of the speeches, 312 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.320 didn't know nothing was happening, and it really like I 313 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.720 sat there like good, I don't want to know what 314 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:04.879 all that takes are out there of what this event 315 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.240 is and like letting all the cynicism creep back in 316 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:08.840 because I felt like you and Mike, it did make 317 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:10.799 me want to be a better person. And Michelle and 318 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:12.559 we'll talk about her speech in a second, but she 319 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:14.399 had this riff in the speech where she talks about 320 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:16.559 how hope is a choice and you know, it can 321 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:18.200 just sound hokey when you just hear it like that, 322 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.200 but I think what she meant is like, yes, you 323 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.480 can decide that things are going to be bad or 324 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.360 that you know it's not worth trying all that, or 325 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.519 you can decide like, yeah, things could still be bad. 326 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:32.080 But I'm actually just gonna stop complaining and try and 327 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:33.679 like put my shoulder to the wheel and see if 328 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:34.559 I can make a difference. 329 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:37.919 Yeah. I do think that part of like, you know, 330 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.399 what is Trump's skill as a politician, and he can 331 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.720 really make people's worst qualities just truer about them. He 332 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:45.480 just has the ability to make something bad. And we 333 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:47.480 have good parts and bad parts in US. I mean 334 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.120 the other day I was I was like, you can 335 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.919 we go do a tour show in Detroit and we 336 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:54.679 say is anyone here from Michigan, and someone raises their 337 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:56.480 hand and says they're safe, They're from Ohio. The whole 338 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:59.080 crowd like boos them, like fucking crazy the nice agent. 339 00:14:58.840 --> 00:14:59.399 In every heart. 340 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:04.440 But but there is but so like there's this. What 341 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.799 I liked about that part of the Michelle's speech specifically 342 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:11.480 is choosing Trump is takes your agency, and it is it. 343 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:12.519 We do not have to. 344 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:18.399 Ignore people's culpability, the harm of that choice. 345 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.480 The fact that they could have made a different one, right. 346 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.240 Like we should remind you we should take people, hold 347 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:25.360 people responsible, and treat them like adults. 348 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:25.879 And I think. 349 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.080 One thing that Barack Obama does as a politician is 350 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:34.200 he tries to treat people like adults, and politics that 351 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:35.200 treats people like adults. 352 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.080 The other thing he does that I think we as 353 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:42.600 a party or sometimes missing, is he is unabashedly patriotic. Yes, 354 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.360 and talks about his love for the country. And that 355 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.440 doesn't mean he hides the imperfections of the country. He 356 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.639 is a living embodiment of the worst stains in our history. 357 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.960 But he is patriotic and he talks about the love 358 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.240 of the country. And I think people want that, and 359 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:55.480 they want to be a part of a movement that 360 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:57.279 is patriotic. And I was reminded of this when we 361 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.960 went to the I to the USA Paraguay soccer game 362 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.440 the other day, and like just being with thousands of 363 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:05.919 people chanting USA, USA and like loving their country and 364 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.320 cheering for the players, and like the fact that a 365 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.720 bunch of them are immigrants, right, And one was like 366 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:13.360 literally like his mother, like the Ben Shapiro's out there 367 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.159 calling him an anchor baby, right, and this guy scored 368 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:15.639 two goals. 369 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:15.879 Like it. 370 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:19.200 Just getting back to that brand of politics is so important. 371 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.240 I talked to Jerusalem Dempsis about this for offline this week, 372 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.120 and she was saying, there's this I haven't seen it, 373 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.240 but there's this whole discourse online around the World Cup 374 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.000 where all these people are coming to America and then 375 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.120 they're like posting America is really great and people are 376 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.200 so nice. Because of everything that they hear about Trump, 377 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:37.759 they thought coming here would be this like dark dystopian 378 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:39.399 and they're like, this is a wonderful country. And I 379 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.440 thought about that walking through the center too, and I 380 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.559 was like, this is and this has been my feeling 381 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.159 the last two days here. I'm like this is a 382 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:48.600 fucking great country. Like it is a great country. And 383 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:51.759 just because Trump is president and we don't like what's 384 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:53.919 happening doesn't mean that we should say all this country 385 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:55.840 sucks now it doesn't. Don't let them take this from you. 386 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.919 Yeah, it's the Yeah, I think like holding just the like, 387 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.559 this is not who we are, well, you know, Trump 388 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.440 is who we are. But also what the bomber said, 389 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:05.799 who we are to the part where in the speech 390 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:07.279 where he sorty he talked about the two undred and 391 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:09.119 fifteth anniversary, and it just was a small moment for 392 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.440 me of just like, there's so much noise around Trump 393 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:15.000 politicizing the two hundred and fiftieth birthday and the UFC 394 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:17.079 fight on the lawn and the Trump rally on the 395 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.079 National Mall and the reflecting pool and all the rest, 396 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.079 and that's a terrible price just that this is what 397 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:24.480 he's doing with his with this moment, but also the 398 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:26.640 opportunity costs of just like what it would have been 399 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:28.759 like to have literally any other person in that job 400 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.720 who just had some modicum of patriotism or respect for 401 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:34.200