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Speaker 1: At a.

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Speaker 2: Book.

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Speaker 1: In tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous. With that in mind,

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I'm just gonna call him Carl. Carl, thanks so much

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for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you Vic for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Carl.

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Speaker 1: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I am sixty four years old, retired. I live

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with my wife out in the hills and the woods

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now the country. Nice remote place. We have our animals.

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We have our dogs, our cats or hogs goats, nice

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little farm place, and lead a pretty simple life. That's

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why I like it. It's kind of a nice quiet

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ending to a long, eventful life.

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Speaker 1: You lead a simple life, but sure sounds like one

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heck of a good life to me. I'm impressed. That's great.

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Oh it is a really good life. Oh it sounds

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like it.

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Speaker 2: Carl.

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Speaker 1: You were serving our country when you had the experiences

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we're going to talk about tonight. But in what capacity.

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Speaker 2: I was working as a contractor for the government. We

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were involved and did a lot of forensics. We were

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guarding the people that were doing the forensics, some of

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the spooks and some of the doctors that were involved

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in things that were going on down in Central America.

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So I was down there off and on for almost

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four years, to rotate in and out of country. Sometimes

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we have some offtime and basis in Panama, and sometimes

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we be backstateside for as long as one to three

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months at a time, which was nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank goodness, you're able to get a break from that.

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I can only imagine what that must have been like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was getting back out was all I thing?

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Kept your sanity going? Really?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure I can only imagine, Carl. This ties

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into what we're going to talk about tonight. Unfortunately, in

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twenty eighteen, you passed away. What can you tell us

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about what you saw on the other side?

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Speaker 2: Actually, Vic, that's a good question. Has been a question.

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I've been asked a lot by people, and some people

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look at me and they want to run away when

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I tell them what happened. I mean, I hear so

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often that people saw the light and they felt everything,

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and they could see people looking at them, and they're

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welcomed into the going to the light. Well, I was

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dead for four and a half minutes, and during that

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time I was in total darkness. I started going down

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a hallway and there was like ash that was on fire,

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that was still dropping on all sides of me. And

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I started seeing a light at the end, but it

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wasn't like a light light. It was like a fire

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and I went into it. And I don't know if

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any of your listeners have ever seen the movie Constantine

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with kenoel Reeves. He is a guy that comes back

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and gets souls that escape from hell or something like that. Anyway,

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that the hell that he goes into is very close

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to what I saw. Buildings farms for us. Everything was ash,

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and there's fiery winds blowing, and you can see a

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little like creepy crawler skeleton type demon things picking peeking

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down of windows holes everywhere, and basically you keep walking

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into that road. And the next thing I know, I'm

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waking up and in a room and I've seen a

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real bright white light. I'm thinking to myself, Oh, thank God.

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And I woke back up in the operating room. And

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when I got back into the recovery room, i'd asked

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my wife. I said she was upset about, you know,

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because she'd already been told that I'd passed and everything.

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And anyway, she said, she said, how do you feel now?

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And I says. I said, I'm not afraid to die anymore.

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And she was so wise of that, and I told her,

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I said, my afterlark life does a luxury cheery. But

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I said, you know, I've been hurting so bad right now.

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My chest is just fell against some cave doing the sledgehammer,

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and it was my second heart attack at that time,

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and had heart failure and brother bodily issues going on.

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I said, when I started to die and I passed,

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I said, all I felt was like warmth flowing through

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my veins and I was so welcome. That was so welcoming.

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But I said, the closer I got to hell, the

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more I started feeling the seering pain. And I told

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her what had happened. I said, and the thing that

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really saved me and brought me into the light portion

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of it was I heard my son's telling me come back, Dad,

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You're not done yet. Come back, Dad, follow our voice.

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Come back. And I told her, I said, I just

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want to thank the boys for being here with me,

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because that was wonderful. They must have been in the

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operating room so they get say goodbye, huh, And she

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was like, what are you talking about? She goes both

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of them. One of them's on a flight from out

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west and hasn't landed yet, and the other one is

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stuck in traffic on the highway. Wow. And I was like, oh,

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I said, because I could hear them as plain as

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they were standing there talking to.

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Speaker 1: Me, How much trouble did you have functioning after such

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a traumatic, amazing experience.

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Speaker 2: Well, I did a lot of soul searching and talked

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to a lot of ministers, and I had friends that

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were ministers. And I mean, after you have a heart

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attack like that, they put you through the cardiovascular institute

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whoever's handling your stints and your surgeries and everything like that,

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they put you through a special training for diet and

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for they change your whole lifestyle basically, and that stuff

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I soaked up like a sponge. I did everything they

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told me to do. And you know, because my heart

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was pretty well damaged. Now, that portion of it, the

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physical portion, went pretty good. But when it came to

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the mental portion after visiting Hell, I was pretty messed

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up about that because I was like, ever since I

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was a kid, you know, we were a farm family,

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go to church every Sunday. We'd say grace, we'd pray

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we had strong belief in Jesus Christ, and I thought, boy,

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you know, I really messed my life up and talked

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to some of my minister friends about it. And it

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was actually my wife that said, you're very lucky that

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this has happened. She goes, this was God's way of

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giving you a warning because he loves you and forgives you,

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but you have to ask for forgiveness. You have to

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change some of the ways that you have. She goes,

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you still have some things that are not still kind

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of a hard edge from your earlier life. She said, Wow,

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that makes you a good former of the companies you

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worked for. She goes, it's time for you to medically retire,

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which I didn't retire then anyway, till twenty twenty two.

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But she said, need to rebuild your faith with Jesus Christ.

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And she says, you have nothing to worry about, And

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she was right. I couldn't ever wrap my head around

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the fact that Jesus could forgive me for the things

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I had done down there, and how he could forgive

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me because even though the squad I was on, working

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with the forensics people and the doctors and some of

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the used bag officers the US Military advisory group that

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were attached to all different squads down there. Everybody that

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we got involved in every firefight, we were saving people

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because it was basically we were working against death squads.

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Cuban and Russian military advisors and hunt down the leftist gorillas.

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But when you do that, you get shot at by them.

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So they had a lot more fun riding into villages

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where the people were just poor peasants. They barely had

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enough to eat. They raised their children, loving little families,

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and they did things to those poor people that would

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make the devil turn white, and they started to enjoy it.

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They had seventy five thousand people killed, sixty thousand of

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them were residents. They had up to twelve thousand that

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were kidnapped, never to be seen again. A lot of

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them were trafficked, some of them were raped and killed.

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Other ones you could find their bodies in the jungle. Well,

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there's the forensics group. We had. Everybody we found, they'd

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take whatever they needed to identify it. But in the

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meantime we would gather as much evidance as we could

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and we got there and we would lay the bodies

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out and stand guard until the forensic people could finish.

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And that was what letters and who are first encountering

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the dog been down there in Central America?

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Speaker 1: Wow, Carl, considering the nature of the people that you

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were wiping off the face of the earth, who's to

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say that you weren't acting as a hand of God

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because those were some pretty evil people.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'd like to believe, Vic, But like

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I said, we did a lot of things that I

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don't know. Some people, if they heard the entire story,

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would think you were a war criminal.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure, but war is not a pretty thing.

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It's not pretty what you had to do. But I

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think you still are heroes for doing what you did.

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But having said that, let's get into your experiences. Now,

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your encounters. Please give us every last detail that comes

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to mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my first encounter was dog men Well lasted off

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and on for about four years. And the reason I

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say that is when we got down to our base

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and Panamap that we had briefings where they basically lined

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out what we're going to be doing, who we were

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assigned to, who would answer to when our jobs were positions,

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everything like that. And they obviously the first thing they

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went through was our roe, which anybody that's armed that's

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in a theater of war knows exactly whe an roe is.

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It's your rules of engagement. What struck us all as

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really strange was our rules of engagement is we were

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not allowed to shoot wolfmen. Wolfmen is what our people

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called them. And they basically told us that the only

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way we were allowed to shoot or kill one is

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if attack was eminent, like basically it was in our

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face biting us already. They said, do not challenge them

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for who was going to be the alpha. If they

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do try to pressure you for something, back off slowly

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looking down. If they do attack and it's dark out,

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they said, one way you can slow them down for

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a couple of seconds is to shine these high luman

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flashlights that we had on our guns in their eyes.

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Got to hit them directly in the eye with them,

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and they said that I'll only give you a couple

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of seconds because it takes their eye. It blinds them completely.

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And they taught us that they have seen that they

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can see an almost complete darkness because their eyes have

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the structures like a big cat. And they said they

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actually even have more rods and more of the more

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of the cells in their eyes than what big cats

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do for gathering light and for seeing movement. And they

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said that's one of the reasons their eyes appear to glow,

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because even though you don't see any light sources, there's

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not usually enough ambient light even in the dark woods

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that'll make they put their eyes pick up and make

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some glow. So anyway, we listened to this, We're like, okay, yeah, whatever,

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you know, it's kind of strange. But then they told

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us there was no shooting the local wildlife unless it

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somehow bothered us, and we were not allowed to engage

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or shoot at the indigenous groups. And we said, what

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are you talking about indigenous and they said, well, you'll

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know them when you see them in the area that

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you get young people will be working in. There's several

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groups of indigenous that are related as far back as

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the Aztec and the Mayan, and they still basically live

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the same way right off the land. So getting in

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to my back, my first experience with the dogmen then

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was on our first patrol, we had had to go

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in and or a small village with about five little

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looked like stuck or something homes with the wood roofs

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and a little church. And that was the first place

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that we had went into, and the death squad had

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come through and slaughtered all the the entire village of

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the of the civilization. Everybody was dead, even their dogs

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were dead. And we had to go through there and

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they let the forensic people take pictures of everything. And

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then we had been a few days and they're down

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there in the heat, so they were really they were

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really starting to smell. So they wanted us to carry

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them down the ravine a little ways out towards where

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the forest kind of opened into some uh open into

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some grassland work and you know, get some air, some

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circulation and enough light for them to take good pictures

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of and do the fingerprints and anything else that they

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had to do. So we had journey and we had

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several men placed on guard. We always had the spotter

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and the sniper and squad sniper that would on oliver walks.

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people onto journeys and carry them down the hill and

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light them out, and as much of an order as

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we could. If we thought they might be family, we

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group those together and then we got all done, we

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would place a guard down there to just keep wild

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animals away, because they do have coyotes and wolves in

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the jungle down there. It's different, not great big wolves

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like the Northern wolves, and the coyotes are roughly the

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same sizes up up in North America, so we wanted

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to keep any predators away from damaging the bodies anymore

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than they already were. That being said, we cleaned up,

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and after we got done with that, we were all

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kind of just really sad. This was our first experience.

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They'd showed us some pictures and so forth of training,

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but that doesn't get you ready for what you see

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when you walk into a village like that. To be

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completely honest, none of the people were just basically shot.

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They died horrible deaths, being tortured, raped, beaten until they

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finally couldn't take it any more than they passed. And

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what they did to the people in the church was unspeakable,

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with the priest and the nuns, the two nuns and

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the priest. So anyway, this was our first first experience

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had really seen this up close, and we were young.

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We weren't thirty year old hardened veterans or anything yet.

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So anyway, after we get done gathering all up, we

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came up back up, cleaned up. We left one man

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on guard duty. Overwatch was about one hundred meters up

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on the hillside and they were right behind a little

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stone wall where the people used to keep their pigs

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in there, and we were all sitting in a couple

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of makeshift picnic tables. I guess the people must use

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for food, pep or something. And we were looking down

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there and our Lieutenant Lt. Goes, hey, guys, Comarre, you

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got to take a look at this. I got to

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show you something. This was what was part of your briefing.

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And we took turns taking looking through the big spouting

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scope that overwatch was using, that his spot was using,

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and we could see up close to the wolfman, the dogmen,

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and our man in the yard Dute. He didn't see

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him because they were standing back behind trees. They were

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up in trees, they were around behind the bushes, and

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we counted six of them, and I thought this is nuts.

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I grew up with a father that had no time

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for ghosts during that stuff, and he believed in Jesus Christ,

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but anything else was just made up there's no such

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thing as any of this stuff. So we're sitting here

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looking at werewolves basically for lack of a better term,

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and they're not supposed to exist. Spent my whole life

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here and now that was all just garbage. They make

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that stuff up. You need to do outside and do chores,

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but wasting your eye balls, I'll watching TV and so

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I just I couldn't believe those things were real. What

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they did next was they started creeping closer to the

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guard and he got to see him then, and one

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of them came up close to him and started growling,

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and LT got him on the radio and said back up,

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back up, come back up. And at that point they

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weren't even interested in him. And they there were so

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many dead people, and every place we went to that

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they were eating the dead people. And then even the

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local people had names for them. They call them the

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eaters of the dead, the death eaters, and they the

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local people also relate to us that originally all there

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was down there was the small brown dog man like

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you see in those those posts about Brazil and stuff.

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For they're walking down the street, the small skinny ones

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with the while looking hair, and they said the big,

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huge black ones that were all around now didn't come

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until the war started, and they a lot of the

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local Polleopole believed it was the devil that was punishing

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their country for what was going on, all the atrocities.

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That was their belief. So anyway, we watched these things

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and what we were like horrified, and we didn't know

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what to do. So we asked Galt, said, what are

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we going to do? And we looked down there again

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and a couple of sad binoculars and whatever we're looking

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down There were only about one hundred meters up the hill,

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one hundred and twenty meters, and these things are hungry.

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And there's a big alpha. He's got to be nine

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ten feet and I only call him an alpha just

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because he was considerably bigger and stronger looking than the

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others were. The others, the closest ones to him, there

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were two that were eight to nine feet, and then

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there was two others that were probably seven eight feet.

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They were progressively smaller, and they had one of the

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little brown ones that had way back out away from

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the others, and he was six feet maybe, and he

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was not real big around in that big shoulders. He

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kind of looked like one of those little dog men

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from that movie Dog Soldiers. And we asked Elta, what

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are we going to do. We can't just let him

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eet the people. And he goes, Now, he goes, everybody,

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grab your gear. He goes, we're in the gear up

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and we're going to go down there and they'll leave.

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I'll have to we'll be all beyond Guardie right now

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until the spooks and the forensic people get down there

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and do what they got to do. So anyway, we

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all walked down there. But as we're walking down there,

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they were trying to get their last fights and whatever,

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and the big dogman would physically stand on somebody and

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reach down with his hook claws. They look like giant

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raccoon hands, and he was literally ripping people in a half.

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He'd pull their chest plates right out because he loved

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the soft organs, and he would eat the soft organs

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and leave the rest of the cartons for the others.

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And I don't think it was any type of an

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organized pack. Then he just happened to be the biggest

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one and as soon as he was done, the others

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started in. Well that was about the time that we

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got down there, and when they saw us all fanning out,

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they retreated back into the woods and you could see

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him again. They'd stand back twenty thirty forty meters behind trees.

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They'd be up in trees looking at us, just waiting

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for us to leave. And we had to stand there

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that time until they got done with that. We were

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just shocked, because it was one thing to find all

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these dead people. Lay them out is another thing when

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you see a monster. It's not supposed to exist sitting there,

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ripping these people apart like their newspapers. And then what

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happened from there was eventually they came, they did all

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their forensics and everything that they were going to do,

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took all the pictures they were going to take, and

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we placed three men on guard duty down there until

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until the burial group got there. They showed up in

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the morning with about ten guys and shovels and started

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digging and getting everybody buried. We did during this time

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rotate out our guards every two hours because of the stench,

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because of looking at the people torn apart. It was

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just a good thing. You go on guarded you for

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a couple hours, and then you go down and you

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go back up and you decompress, and this this type

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of thing what happened village after village, and we were

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learning that we had to post at least from that

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point on. Once we saw these things, we posted at

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least two guards by the bodies, and l team made

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up a rule that these things had gotten more brazen

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than what they expected, so he made up parole. There

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was no single man went anywhere. There was two to

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three men for everything. If we were on a patrol

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and a guy stepped off to irinate behind the tree,

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they'd better be able to guy on the other side

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of the tree with him. And we had to make

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sure we covered all of our bases. Even though they

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told us in briefing that these things would not attack you,

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they'd challenge you, they'd show dominance, but as long as

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we didn't do anything to them, because physical pain, they

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wouldn't hurt us. Well, that kind of changed. It was

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probably our third or fourth patrol. Then we've been doing

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this for several months now. Another similar situation, just a

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little clustered a couple of houses and a little repair

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shop was there, and these people got grabbed up and

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they were all taken. The people that were older uglier crippled,

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or they couldn't get any money out of them, they

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just killed them and left them a pile on Main Street.

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And the others they stole them when they trafficked all

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the young girls and women because they were selling them

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to Columbia and Mexico. So anyway, we were cleaned up

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the mess like we always did, and on this situation

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we put them down in the ravine, the people and

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the reason we did this wasn't to get down there

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to the bottoms of the ravines right along the base.

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It's a lot easier digging, we found from the guys

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that were doing the burial, and if you've ever tried

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to dig anything in a jungle, roots and so forth,

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So we tried to at least help the guys out.

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They weren't right in the ravine, but they were up

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a little bit, and we had laid the bodies out

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and had the guards there on duty, and there wasn't

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that big of a pile of bodies, and we'd only

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seen one dog man that afternoon, so Lt was like,

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you know, we don't need three guys. He would have

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one guy on duty and if you hear anything, send

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up a flyer. Then we'll send him a couple more

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guys down and that should back them off. The guy

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that was on guard Ude that night was one of

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the jumpiest guys there, and Overlocks starts yelling that there's

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a medium size wolf man that's right in the guard's

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face and he wanted permission to take it. He was

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I'm not gonna have a shot in a second. But

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by the time he got permission to take it, the

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thing had grabbed our guy and run off with him.

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And by that time we all grabbed our weaponry, we

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all took off after him. We figured we're going to

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catch this thing. We're going to get it. We'll get

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our guy back. He might be hurt. Well we chase

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this thing. We followed the blood trail. Blood trail finally

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ran out, and it amazed us because when you were

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trying to track these things, if they wanted to lead

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you somewhere or didn't care if you found them, they

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would step right in the MUDs, left nice big tracks.

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If they were hiding or running to escape with something,

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they'd step on the crown road, stick it off the

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base of the trees, so they wouldn't leave any impressions.

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Every once in a while, you see a piece of

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bark broke looser claw marks, that would be you're tracking.

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Getting back to the story, We tracked this guy for

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three and a half days before all we finally found

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of our compadre was a piece of his shoulder bone

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connected to his spine and his skull, and the skull

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had been chewed on and eating a lot of the

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most of the skin off of it, and then threw

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out the trail. We'd found pieces of his carrier and

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his AMMO pouches, his med back and his weapon, and shirts,

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pieces of clothing, and it wasn't it took time to

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undress him any thing. It was just this thing was

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so big and strong. It was running with him like

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a football, and pieces of him were getting caught on

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trees and so forth, broke off branches sticking out and

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they'd rip his clothes and anyway, that was a horrible sight,

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and that really woke us up to you know, yeah,

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all these people that are way smarter than we ever

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hoped to be. What they had told us was all

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bull that him. They probably won't hurt you, and more

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than likely they said that he had probably shot, he'd

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probably gotten scared ones in his face and shot it

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or raised the gun at it. I thought it was

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going to get shot, and attacked him because he made

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the first move. So they told us that basically what

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he'd done was wrong. Well, it didn't matter to us

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because the guy ended up getting the death penalty for it.

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So from that point on, LT sitting and I don't

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care if you're only gardening one body. I want three

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guys on duty, and I want two on overwatch, because

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we might set up a second overwatch make sure that

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criss cross. And that's Gradually we grew and grew and

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both confidence and knowledge and dealing with these things. But

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we would see them four or five times a week

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because these things had learned with all the combat going

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down there, that they would follow our groups, or the

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leftist groups, or the military groups because they knew, or

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the death squads because they knew that every time these

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contingencies of our men went somewhere, they always left piles

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of dead people. And every once in a right while,

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you'd be sitting there at night or something, and you'd

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hear a taper start streaming them on tapers like a

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like a big hog. It's a native down there to

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the down there to the Central and South America. It's

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like it looks like a big hog, and sometimes they

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get five six hundred pounds. But anyway, sooner or later,

480
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,480
these things there, you watch them run and you just

481
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,799
watch how they are. Their metabolisms are so high that

482
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,680
their intake, their quark intake, must be huge. That being said,

483
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:49,160
every time they found dead, if we found some we'd

484
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,200
find somebody every day of the week, usually one or

485
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,119
two people in the woods, and they were the victims

486
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:59,720
of robbers, rapists, they were drug mules that had been robbed,

487
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,720
or they were people that just couldn't keep up with

488
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,440
the trafficker and they kill them, so that didn't slow

489
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,559
the others down. But every time we'd find them, usually

490
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,519
more than likely most of the time their stomachs and

491
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,519
chests have been ripped open because the dog men or

492
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:24,480
the wolfmen as we call them, preferred the uh soft organs,

493
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,839
and if there was usually more than one in a group,

494
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,400
the big one would take the soft organs and the

495
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,799
others would chew on, you know, the butt, the legs,

496
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:41,480
the chest, the shoulders, the arms, the legs. And we

497
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,720
always started talking amongst ourselves of why they don't just

498
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,000
hunt us. Well, the only truth we could come to

499
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,680
is just a bunch of young thugs that are running around.

500
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:57,400
Was it had to be because humans are not that enticing.

501
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,400
I mean, if you look at us, they're there's not

502
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,599
a lot to eat on us. Our gutsack or whenever

503
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,920
you want to call it. We don't have large internal

504
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:12,079
organs and compared with the taper or some of these

505
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:16,440
other animals, so we're basically a snack and not worth

506
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,200
a bother is there. Like any other animal, they always

507
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,279
take the path at least resistance. Well, we started learning

508
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:27,319
that when they're following us, or when they're following us down,

509
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,400
there's going to be an engagement because you could look

510
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,400
back every so often you can see one peeking around

511
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,599
a tree, or you can hear when everybody stop and

512
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,839
you hear a stick snap. I mean, they're not ghosts.

513
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,400
They're very good stokers, and they're unbelievably intelligent, and they're

514
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:48,720
faster than anything I could ever imagine an animal that

515
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,000
Big Bean and I grew up seeing bears fight and

516
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,880
things like that, and they're nothing speed wise compared to

517
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,440
what these things are. These things are it's like they

518
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:05,359
eat speed for breakfast. But anyway, we saw that they

519
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,719
started following us, we thought, well, you know, if they're

520
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,639
following us, they're following the death squads and the leftists too,

521
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,280
so maybe we start following their footprints, start tracking the

522
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,119
groups of them, and they'll lead us to the other squads.

523
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,840
And it wasn't me that came up with this or

524
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,840
just the whole group. I was coming up with the ideas.

525
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,960
Ali thought it was a good idea. We started doing that,

526
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,920
and what we came to notice was as the tracks

527
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,960
would split up, like they'd start looking like they were

528
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,239
going different directions, that meant we were close to another

529
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,519
human installation. And if they split up like that, it

530
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,199
wasn't that the people were already dead. It meant they

531
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,199
were alive. And after the first or second time it

532
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,239
worked for us and we were able to run across

533
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,599
a death squad or a leftist group. We were thrilled.

534
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,639
Without man, we found the way to make it work,

535
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,119
until we realized, well, if we can figure it out,

536
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,639
we're no smarter than the people that were fighting against

537
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,199
They can figure it out too, So that made it

538
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,280
really scary. To that point, we were all terrified because

539
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,000
here you are you're following wolf men. You're being followed

540
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,320
by them. Sometimes you're fighting leftist gorillas at Russia and

541
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:35,400
Cuba they've trained them. You're also fighting the death squads

542
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,719
where they called them. They started calling them death squads.

543
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,119
They were never supposed to be death squads. There were

544
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:45,039
government troops that were supposed to be out that we're

545
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,039
actually part of the people we were fighting for, but

546
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:51,760
they had to be eliminated because they become such a liability.

547
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,239
It was just they were the worst people in the theater.

548
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:02,519
So anyway, we spent about four years off and on

549
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,840
with that type of a situation. And I was always

550
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,000
amazed that if one of the dogmen had found a

551
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,880
really really fresh killed, like say, there's a couple of

552
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:21,199
times we just got there and had a firefight and

553
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,360
we had not had a chance to clean up all

554
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,800
the dead yet are calling a metovac for any of

555
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,960
our guys that were hurt, And a dogman would find

556
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,280
a body that looks good to him and grab it,

557
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,760
and they'd run up one of those big trees where

558
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,360
they all trees all grow together and sit up there

559
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,239
and rip it apart, and it was like it was

560
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,000
like jeez, they couldn't wait, and people don't ask me,

561
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:52,239
did they stink. Yeah, they smelled like a combination of

562
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,039
urine and rotten meat. And that made sense to us

563
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,400
because many a time we saw, as it called the

564
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:05,679
descending sizes of dogmen picked through the people that hadn't

565
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:09,559
been buried yet. They would urinate around the piles or

566
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:12,639
around a kill, even a tape or whatever, to say, hey,

567
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,639
this is mine. Well, they're like an animal that they going.

568
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,159
They even your own dogs. Sometimes if they get a

569
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:22,239
little old, they start going on their leg or something.

570
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,920
They stink, But these things also stink because there are

571
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:32,039
forearms and their hands and legs. They were if they

572
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,159
got there before we did. They were standing in piles

573
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,000
of dead people. Some of these people were only a

574
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,000
few hours dead. Sometimes they'd be three, four or five

575
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,599
days dead before we found them, and the dogmen had

576
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,400
already found them. So yeah, you could tell on the

577
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,320
around because you could smell them. But on the other hand, too,

578
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,800
we got so complacent with that because nine times out

579
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,039
of ten, when we were on a patrol, you'd smell

580
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,840
that smell and it wouldn't be a dog man. He

581
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,880
looked just slightly off the trail. And it was some

582
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,880
poor soul that had been killed for whatever reason, and

583
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,039
they'd been there a while, there wasn't much left of them,

584
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,440
and so it was he couldn't always trust the fact

585
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,920
that it was you'd be able to smell them ahead

586
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:26,360
of time. So, like I said, that was my first

587
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:32,199
encounters with dogmen. It was very scary. It was very disheartening.

588
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:37,400
I mean, we were all young, muscle up guys that

589
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:43,760
we recruited because something about us had attracted these groups

590
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,639
to us, and every one of us had in common

591
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,719
that we were like the gym and we were shooters

592
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,760
and we could do whatever. And it just kind of

593
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,199
amazed me. He thought you were really tough until you

594
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:58,159
come down and you see this kind of stuff because

595
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:03,199
it was hell on earth, and you really lose faith

596
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,679
in humanity after you see something like that. So I

597
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,320
don't know what scared us worse actually, was the dog

598
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:17,519
and wolfmen or fighting with the death squads and the

599
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,920
leftist because these were groups of people the Leftists were

600
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,840
a little better than the death squads. The death squads

601
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,679
had absolutely no care about human life and lighting kind

602
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:31,480
of life. I mean they even killed the babies and

603
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:39,280
the dogs. Many villages. So we were just basically theres

604
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,639
doing some cleanup and forensics, and we saw them for

605
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:47,840
about four and a half years and learned more about

606
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,960
dog women and wolfmen than I ever knew existing, more

607
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,360
than ever wanted to know. I don't know if I

608
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,639
subscribed to the fact that once you see them, you'll

609
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:02,159
see more of them, because I'd never really had anything

610
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:08,360
supernatural happened to me, except for you know, before I

611
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,760
this was before my heart attack, but I'd never anything

612
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,880
supernatural happened to me in my life. I lived in

613
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,559
grimy old farmhouses out in the plains, and you know,

614
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,000
you'd think you'd have ghosts and spooks, but we didn't,

615
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,039
or at least I didn't see him anyway, So you

616
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:30,239
kind of expect that you'd have some type of something

617
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,559
about you that would drawn to you. My grandmother, she

618
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:40,079
was half Sue Lakota and half Gypsy, and she was

619
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:44,159
a seer. She could she had a gift, but my

620
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,079
sister didn't inherit it neither did I, so it's not

621
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:51,039
that it was anything supernatural about it for me and

622
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,440
we anyway, One part I left out of the story

623
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,880
was we did kill one of the dog men down there,

624
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,079
and that was that one. We used to have little

625
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:03,559
nicknames from them because their markings were a little different.

626
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,719
They were basically all black or like the big alpha

627
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,519
had a huge mane and went all the way down

628
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:12,159
his back to a big fluffy tail. Some of the

629
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,920
other ones had a smaller maine been on the size

630
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,760
of them, and they might have a little color marking

631
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,400
around the main. So anyway, we had nicknames for him

632
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:26,599
and the one that had killed our friend. He showed

633
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:33,440
back up again and later patrol and our sniper used

634
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,800
what they'd taught us and ops where they told us

635
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,079
to shoot him in the eye, through the eye, through

636
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,239
the eye socket. They said, they have an amazingly thick

637
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,400
skull like a bear does. If you bodies shot him

638
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,840
with a small caliber, they're like a bear where they

639
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,079
can run an amazing amount of yardage thirty five forty

640
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:57,679
mile an hour, have a chance to kill you in

641
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,320
half of your group before they bleed out. They said,

642
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,199
don't screw around, shoot him in the body, shoot him

643
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:08,840
in the eye socket. So anyway, our overwatch saw him

644
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,519
and LT said, yeah, take him, and he shot him

645
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,880
through the eye socket and he just dropped just like that.

646
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:24,280
Like a socket rice, and right away we found out

647
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,559
how heavy they are. At that point, all of us

648
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,480
was sitting around and trying to guess how heavy they were,

649
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,320
and we were always like, you think it's like a

650
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,760
little a BlackBerry, and think, well, they're staying five six

651
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,159
foot when they're standing up, they got to be that's

652
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,800
a four or five hundred pounder. Well, then we had

653
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,440
to roll it onto a gurney and have a helicopter

654
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,559
pick it up because we couldn't carry this thing back

655
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,920
up the ravine, and we had about eight guys on

656
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,719
the gurney. So later on we found out that the

657
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,760
big ones that are around ten foot or bigger can

658
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,840
go fifteen sixteen hundred pounds, and the eight to nine

659
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,480
footers are, you know, a little smaller, And it just

660
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:15,320
goes down to where those little ones, the little brown

661
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,800
ones that the big ones that always chase off. They

662
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,079
were anywhere from around five hundred pounds or so, three

663
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,920
to five hundred pounds worth five to six footers. The

664
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,960
seven to eight footers were eight hundred to one thousand pounds,

665
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,599
they told us, and the six to sevens were five

666
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:38,119
to eight hundred pounds. Way havn't we ever expected. But

667
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:41,119
it should have made sense because when we first got

668
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:44,119
to a it wasn't even a village. It was actually

669
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,760
a place where they used to process crops. At we

670
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,400
got there, we were looking around and there was some

671
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:54,960
dead down there, and we saw big Alpha was in

672
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:01,360
the pile eating, and another one got bold and tried

673
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,360
to get in and start eating and wanted some of

674
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,760
the soft part, and the big one just it's amazing

675
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,920
how fast he had talked and how loud it was,

676
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:14,559
grabbed it by the throat, started shaking it by the head,

677
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,880
took his left claw and like put it against this

678
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,119
other one's chest and threw him probably it was probably

679
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,639
four or five meters against a big tree, and it

680
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,159
hurt him some. He laid there for a minute. Then

681
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,320
he got up and he kind of sulked back off,

682
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,679
and all the others backed up. They let the big off.

683
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,280
U knew what he was doing, and once he'd had

684
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,440
his fall, he backed up and the others started coming in. Well,

685
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,119
by that time we'd had our prim and are all

686
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,440
clear to make sure there was no booby traps, no

687
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,119
you know, nobody waiting to snipe us. And then we

688
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,840
started our work and then a lot of times we

689
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,440
go into a place that it had been killed by

690
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,519
a dust squad, and they had a tendency a lot

691
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:04,039
of times liked to pile the bodies too, because if

692
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:05,719
they were in a hurry and not trying to make

693
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,199
a statement by doing cruel things to the people's body

694
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:14,199
as part of to screw us up mentally or the

695
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,599
other government troops up left mentally, what they would do

696
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,400
was they just throw in a pile, and sometimes they'd

697
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,280
burn them, but we must have been close enough on

698
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,159
the heels that they didn't bother burning them. So anyway,

699
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,239
most of the time they were in piles. Sometimes if

700
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,960
we didn't have time for them to pile them up,

701
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,800
we would get there and they'd have them staged around

702
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:44,000
in different ways, trying to horrify whoever found them. That

703
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,239
was my basically about all I can really talk about

704
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:53,800
my first account. The later experiences totally took me by surprise,

705
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,320
because even though I knew that these things were on

706
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,599
every country in the world, Great America had a huge population, well,

707
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,599
as did Sibery in Canada. Mean obviously, Canon is part

708
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,639
of North America, and they'd had a different type in

709
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,519
South America. But they'd always been populated by him. It

710
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,519
shouldn't have surprised me and I saw one up here

711
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,519
in the States, but it did. It was like the

712
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,920
first time I ever seen one. But I immediately tripped

713
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,159
right back into my days as a young man, just

714
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,119
like instantly flicking a light switch. And what had happened

715
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,719
was I was moving to the East Coast and a

716
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,719
friend of mine had loaned me he had a brand

717
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,039
new pickup, and I had to clean the stickers out

718
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:39,920
of the windows and so forth to take it. And

719
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,519
I asked him, I said, but you know, I'm moving

720
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,559
a whole a bunch of boxes and stuff. And I

721
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,400
bought one of those rubber stretching nets to put over

722
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,280
the top. And the weather looked pretty decent. Can I

723
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,960
can I borrow your truck? And it was a company truck,

724
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,400
and you know, he had a bunch of trucks, but

725
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,320
I still hated borrowing a brand new and he goes, yeah, yeah, sure,

726
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,760
he does take it whatever you need, because I appreciate,

727
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,800
you know, all the work you did for years or whatever.

728
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,000
You just take it and keep it there for a

729
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,719
week or so to get some rest. And then I

730
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,960
had back if you'l okay, and I said, well, thanks

731
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,960
a lot. That's great, you know. And one thing is

732
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:17,000
since my earlier days, all through my life, I never

733
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,880
had a concealed carry up until like the last couple

734
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,440
of years. But I've always carried a minimum of two

735
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:31,159
to three side arms, fixed blade and a switchblade everywhere

736
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,800
I went. And it wasn't just the dog man thing.

737
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,360
It was seeing the evil of human beings. It is

738
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,079
just I always wanted to be prepared and every time

739
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,840
I spent a lot of years working the roads doing construction,

740
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,679
and I always had a shotgun on my back seat

741
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,679
with a pistol grip and red dot and a real

742
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,280
super heavy duty flashlight on it that would really light

743
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,199
the area up. I know there's a big debate back

744
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,559
and forth, should you have a light on the end

745
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:04,960
of the gun it makes a target or not. I've

746
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,679
always found that you can also blind your opponent too

747
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,400
for a couple of seconds, and if you don't shoot

748
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,679
over a couple of seconds, you shouldn't have the gun.

749
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,239
So anyway, that was why it lived, and I always

750
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:20,960
I always had either nine millimeter or one of my

751
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,360
forty five's on my side anyway to get back to

752
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,199
our story. I'm traveling and I had taken I'm back

753
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,480
and forth moving my stuff so many times, and I'd

754
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,280
taken the interstates every time, and interstates I took those

755
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,599
all the years I was doing instruction. And people say, oh,

756
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:39,559
you've been all over the world of the country and

757
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,840
you've seen everything, And I said, no, not really. I've

758
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,400
saw the interstate guardrails and the next exit you see

759
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,039
a little bit of the country, not much. So I

760
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,079
decided I'm taking the back routes. And I got off

761
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,440
the road, and I love the national forests around the Appalachia,

762
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,639
and I decided, you know, I'm going to go through

763
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,159
you know, Daniel and Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and

764
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,679
I'm taking the back routes and seeing the little tiny

765
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,119
towns in West Virginia and Ohio, and I'll drop down

766
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:13,960
through Virginia because Virginia is another beautiful state. When you

767
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,559
get in there and you get off the main roads,

768
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,559
you just don't everywhere you look is like looking at

769
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,280
a poster. So anyway, I just want to enjoy some

770
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,079
of that. Well, I would driving for a long time

771
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:30,559
because when you the the GPS, when I plan my route.

772
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,920
It always it always takes you to the fastest route,

773
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,599
you know, to the U two, the big interstates, and

774
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,320
it was always a fourteen hour trip from where I

775
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,519
was at where I was going. You know, they never

776
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,360
give time for eating, for using the restroom, or for

777
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,840
getting fuel, so it always takes longer. And I thought, well,

778
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,679
you know what, I don't care. I'll just pull over

779
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,800
and take little power naps of the half hour power

780
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,800
nap and going again, because I've done that far too,

781
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,480
pull over a shopping center parking lot. But since I

782
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,039
was on these little two lane blacktops and stuff, there

783
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,880
really wasn't like a lot of big truck stops. There wasn't,

784
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,639
you know, any place I could really pull off. But

785
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,320
I started noticing that when I got onto the National Forest,

786
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,840
they had these little pull offs. It went up into

787
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,960
a mountain side usually, and they'd have a sealed gate

788
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,800
across the ways up in and they were long enough

789
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,159
that the rangers could pull a truck and trailer up

790
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:34,079
in there and unload their side by sides without opening

791
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:35,480
the gate, or if they wanted to open the gate,

792
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,280
then they could go in there. Well, I found one

793
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:41,719
just by uh, I can't remember the name of the

794
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,559
town now, I want to say it was just past

795
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:47,840
Bartow was in Pocahontas County, West Virginia, and it was

796
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:53,239
on State Route twoin fifty and I just hadn't crusted

797
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,119
wherever yet. I was sailing West Virginia and I noticed

798
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,400
that there was one of those pull offs and it

799
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,920
looked a little overgrown, but it looked longer than normal

800
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,880
because the way you kind of rapped throw the side

801
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,519
of the hill. So I thought, that's perfect. I can

802
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,320
pull up in there and grab me a half hour

803
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,079
of sleep. I glean the windows down a little bit,

804
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,320
get some air going through here, leave the truck runs

805
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,760
so I didn't freeze, but it was it was still

806
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:23,119
cold that time of year and getting cald even, I

807
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:26,239
should say. So I left the windows down a couple

808
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,480
of inches and UH turned the heater on a real,

809
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,800
real low, and it was it was great. I was

810
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,440
out in a heartbeat. Well then I heard something walking

811
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,920
in the woods. I heard sticks crunching the leaves, and

812
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:45,960
I thought, oh, I wonder what that is. And as

813
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,000
it got closer, I could hear something heavy crunching, and

814
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,480
I thought, I know what that is. It got me

815
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,639
all upset. That's a black mark. How can I be

816
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,320
so stupid? I stopped at a subway earlier that day

817
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,440
and I got one of those bacon ranch chicken foot

818
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,440
lungs and only eating half of it, and I wrapped

819
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,440
the rest of it bag up, and not even the

820
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,840
plastic bag, just the paper wrapper set it over you

821
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:17,159
on top of a box in my passenger seat, and

822
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,239
I thought, oh man, I better grab my gun and

823
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,599
hop out and find out what this is and fire

824
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,360
a warning shot. Scared off it's a black bear. I'll

825
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,760
feel terrible if I borrow my buddy's brand new truck

826
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,400
and clean the stickers off the windows and stuff, and

827
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,639
then some black bear tries to claw it all up,

828
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,559
climbing on the side to get a subway sandwich, and

829
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,360
I thought it was a BlackBerry. I forgot. I'll just

830
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,400
get out because I've been around bears for years, and

831
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,039
just get out and fire off a shot and run

832
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,079
it off and maybe grab a few more minutes of

833
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:52,239
sleep and take off. Well, anyway, I grabbed my gun

834
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:56,320
and opened the door and started around the door, and

835
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:58,599
there was like a little washot. I kind of climbed

836
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,480
up that onto the trees where it was a little higher,

837
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,000
and I got it around the first tree, in the

838
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:08,320
second tree, and that's probably fifteen meters away from my truck,

839
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:13,960
and I shine the light up my gun and I

840
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:18,400
see feet first. And I've been around these things enough,

841
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,159
I know exactly what those feet were. I go, oh no,

842
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,360
and I started going up those legs and his body,

843
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:31,760
and it was a big black dog man, not as

844
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,159
big as the alpha down in Central America, but he

845
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,880
was probably every bit of eight and nine foot and

846
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,480
his eyes were at the point, at that point in

847
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:46,199
time where it was dark enough, his pupil had gotten

848
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,400
so big there was hardly any yellow in his eyes,

849
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,000
but he had the glowing yellow eyes, and his pupils

850
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,880
are real big. And he started startling at me, and

851
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,199
I could see those fangs. And if you ever see

852
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:58,800
a dog man at close, I know a lot of

853
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,559
you have that are listening, their muzzle is long, but

854
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,719
the one I saw was wide too. It all not

855
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,599
quite as thick as a bear's, but similar to a bears.

856
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,079
It had the ears like a German shepherd, and when

857
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:15,599
it started growling, it laid its ears back like a

858
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:18,119
dog when it was starling at you. And I thought

859
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:23,239
this boy means business. So I thought, I know, I

860
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,360
can't make it back to the car. You cannot outrun

861
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,880
these things. I hear people a lot of times say that,

862
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,000
oh I'm alive because I outran it. I got away

863
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:36,599
from it. If you outran it, it really just wanted

864
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,320
to scare you, have a little fun, like a cat

865
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,239
playing with a mouse that wasn't interested in eating you.

866
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,599
Because if you ever see how fast these things can run, move,

867
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:49,679
jump between trees. They can run up and down a

868
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,039
tree like a squirrel and just amazing. I mean a

869
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,039
big tree obviously, because they're so heavy, a little and

870
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:57,880
they'd pull it right over. But anyway, getting back to

871
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,480
the sorry you go down the rabbit hole, getting back

872
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,920
to the story, to the encounter. I started doing, Now

873
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,239
what am I going to do? And it was just

874
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,320
like someone flipped the light switching and me went training

875
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,239
took over. I raised that gun, showing it right in

876
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,119
his face, right in his eyes, because I have a

877
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:22,880
fifteen hundred blomen led on all my weapons and hit

878
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,519
those pupils and you could hear him roar and roar

879
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:31,440
and squeel because they it hurts their eyes. Because his

880
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,440
pupils closed up to like dots of a pin and

881
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,840
his eyes were long yellow then, and I use that

882
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,639
to take four or five steps backwards or I was

883
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:46,599
back down on the low ground and he started didn't run,

884
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,559
he just started walking up for the edge of that

885
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:53,719
little little embankment there. I jumped in the car, slammed

886
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,519
my door, shut back out of there, hit the highway,

887
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:05,159
and took down the mountain. And it was funny looking

888
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,599
back because one of my boxes that I was carrying

889
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,800
jumped out fro underneath that rubber net thing because I

890
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,199
slammed on the brakes so hard and dropped it in

891
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,400
the drive and nailed. I was spinning tires and the

892
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,440
box dropped out, and I saw the box in the

893
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,320
rear view mirror when I took off, because I'd seen him.

894
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,599
He stepped down into the gravel into the lane as

895
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:32,159
I was backing out, and he didn't give chase, which

896
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:36,920
kind of surprised me. Stood there growling, and I backed

897
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,440
out at the road was gone, and I thought to myself,

898
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,639
I saw that box sitting there. I am not going

899
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,960
back for what that is. I don't care what it is.

900
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,159
I don't care if it was a box of cash.

901
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:50,639
I am not going back to get that. A dog

902
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,199
man wants to remember me, he can have whatever garbage

903
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,119
is in that box. And that was my last encounter,

904
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:03,119
my last experience. I was so it was amazing because

905
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:05,679
I was so tired. I couldn't even hardly see. When

906
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,239
I pulled off, there d a power napp and I'd

907
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,679
only been just a few minutes, but I was so

908
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:17,880
wired after that happened, I drove and drove and got

909
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,880
gas and I drove another three and a half hours

910
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:24,840
until I got home. I drove all the way home

911
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:27,960
and my wife was like, what are you doing? She goes,

912
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,280
I thought you were going to pull off and take

913
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,000
your little power naps, she was. I hate that you're

914
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:37,159
too cheap to stop at a hotel. But so I

915
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:39,679
told her what had happened. She's like, oh my god,

916
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,400
she goes. I can't believe that you saw one up here,

917
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,719
she goes, But she goes. Every time you turn on

918
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,400
a YouTube or any type of internet stuff, you see

919
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:57,079
stories encounters where people have seen dog men, sasquatches, she goes.

920
00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:01,320
So she goes, you're just very low that it didn't

921
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,639
want to engage with you other than just scary off

922
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,360
and she goes, good thing you woke up too, And

923
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,400
I said, yeah, I know it is because I told her,

924
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,639
you know what went through my mind. First, she goes, what'side?

925
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:14,960
She goes, I thought it was some black bear that

926
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,599
was going to come scour up the whole side of

927
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,360
my buds truck trying to get what was left of

928
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,800
a subway sandwich. And she goes, well, that'll teach you

929
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,039
for sleeping in those little pull offs and so forth.

930
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: I'd say that did teach you a lesson for pulling

931
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,960
off and trying to sleep there, but you should be

932
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,239
able to do that without any problems. I just hate

933
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,400
the fact that here you tried to do that to

934
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,519
catch up on at least a little bit of sleep,

935
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:44,599
and that happened to you. That's horrible. If you've had

936
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:46,559
a dog mean encounter, I would like to speak with

937
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:48,760
me about it, whether in private or on the show,

938
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,760
Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.

939
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:55,360
If you've had a big foot sighting and would like

940
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,559
to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows,

941
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,599
please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot I've got a

942
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:05,079
lot of questions here to ask you and we're over

943
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,679
an hour in. Would you be okay with coming back

944
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:09,519
to do a part two so I could ask all

945
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:10,599
these questions.

946
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:12,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be fine, Rick.

947
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: Okay, great, let's do that.

948
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,079
Speaker 2: Then.

949
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just have you come back so I can

950
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,280
ask all these questions and we'll take it from there.

951
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,400
But I just want to thank you so much for

952
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,519
coming on here in the first place to share all

953
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:27,039
these experiences with us. I really appreciate it.

954
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,119
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I really appreciate your help, du Vic,

955
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:33,639
because outside of the group of guys that were down

956
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:37,599
there with me, we had fifteen in our squad. We

957
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:41,760
all trained together from day one, stayed together. Nine of

958
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,920
them died. One of them was from the dog Men.

959
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,719
Eight of them were killing firefights and explosions. There was

960
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,039
only six of us left. Three of them died of cancer,

961
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,639
and as of right now, I've got cancer. I'll just

962
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:01,159
thank God the last treatments seemed to put it in remission.

963
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:06,679
One of my best friends, he's got cancer. The guy

964
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,519
that was our breacher and M sixty man. He was

965
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:13,239
a big dude. He was a real gent rate of

966
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:17,079
all of us. He was six ' five, three hundred

967
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:20,519
and forty pounds, when he was on there. Now he's

968
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:24,960
withered away, he's in hospice. So the only ones that

969
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,679
ever knew of any of this were our LT and

970
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,239
his wife, the three of us and our wives, and

971
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,760
just felt like I had to tell somebody, and I

972
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,239
just I know there's gonna be a lot of people

973
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,199
that don't believe it, But there's a lot of things

974
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:44,719
that go on in this world that they sound more

975
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,239
like a movie than reality until you live it. Then

976
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:50,320
it makes it doubly hard to believe because you're like,

977
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,039
this can't be real, this can't be true. I can't

978
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:55,480
be looking at wear wolves they're trying to eat dead people,

979
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,000
But here it is, and I knew they weren't wear wolves.

980
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:03,280
Number One, I don't believe that humans can change their

981
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,639
whole bone structure and all of this. And I believe

982
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:10,320
that these are animals that have always been here. Because

983
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,079
we do a little research on them, you find that

984
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:16,159
even the Native Americans have been talking about them forever.

985
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,360
So I believe they're the same type of thing like

986
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,000
a satsquatch, not the same animal, but something that's been

987
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,679
here for a long time. They're just not in the

988
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:29,159
mainframe where people see them. All the time, like horses

989
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:33,960
or dogs or cats or cattle or whatever. So obviously

990
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,559
we've become very much a society. Unless we see it

991
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:40,519
or it happens to us, we tend not to believe it.

992
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,400
My message to people is, please have an open mind

993
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,119
if you believe my story, grade if you don't, that's

994
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,079
fine too. But there's some things I like people to

995
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:57,239
learn from about it is don't challenge these things. If

996
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:01,320
you can think you can back off. Is we learned

997
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,199
and it worked down there that most of the time

998
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,400
they're not actually after you to each hear something. They

999
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:09,519
really get off like a cat does playing with a

1000
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:14,599
mouse and instilling fear, creating fear, playing with you a

1001
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:20,840
little bit. But if attack becomes inevitable, inevitable, you shoot

1002
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,519
them through the eye. They get a thick skull like

1003
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:27,320
a bear. Bullets a lot of times glance off, but

1004
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,320
the eye opening is very big and the bullet will

1005
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,119
go right straight into the brain and it drops them,

1006
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:39,119
just like any other animal the world. And another thing

1007
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:43,239
I'd like to pass on to people is I've met

1008
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,960
the men in Black. I worked around the men in block,

1009
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:50,280
the black helicopters, and don't play chicken with these guys.

1010
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,159
I always hear people I'd do this, and I'd do that,

1011
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:58,239
I'd send my pictures to attorneys and all this. It's

1012
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,000
just garbage. People. You really think that an agency that

1013
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:08,480
doesn't answer to anybody in the United States government, including

1014
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:13,119
the President, is going to worry about leaning on an

1015
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,519
attorney and if they can't make him play ball, making

1016
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:20,000
them disappear. These people are not a joke. It's not.

1017
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:24,519
It was a funny movie Men in Black, but these

1018
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,199
people are not a joke. And just like the truck

1019
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:28,880
driver that shot the one up on the man of

1020
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,079
Steve Forrest found they will start off nicely, just giving

1021
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:36,239
you a warning and you should be polite and thank

1022
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,239
you sir, handing your phone. Let them delete your stuff

1023
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,679
and check your calls, and don't tell them I sent

1024
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,679
it to ten friends. You're not a very good friend

1025
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:47,920
if you do, because now you've sicked them on them.

1026
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:54,400
Next thing they go to is credit rating, home loans, mortgages, insurance,

1027
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:59,239
your job. They can destroy your life. They can call

1028
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,599
your mortgage through the bank. Because here's a little thing

1029
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:07,159
I learned that's through signing an NDA that I never knew.

1030
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:13,119
People don't realize that all the structural and homeowners insurance

1031
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:16,920
the United States, especially the flood control in FEMA, is

1032
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,599
all backed up by FEMA and by US government money.

1033
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:25,760
So when these agencies decide that they want your mortgage

1034
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,599
called in or want you out of your house, it's

1035
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:30,599
just a couple of clicks on the computer for them,

1036
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,840
and the insurance company will always side with them. And

1037
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,280
then the very last step is if you're still a problem,

1038
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,760
you'll just disappear.

1039
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,079
Speaker 1: Those are good words of advice. I've said that tons

1040
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:48,639
of times. You just cannot beat the government.

1041
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:50,119
Speaker 2: Carl.

1042
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,159
Speaker 1: I wish this was all just some bad nightmare that

1043
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:56,360
you could wake up from, but unfortunately we know that's

1044
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,239
not the case, and for that I am so sorry.

1045
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:02,400
I just hate the fact you've had to experience all this.

1046
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:05,760
But having said that again, I want to thank you

1047
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,280
so much for your time for coming on and sharing

1048
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,480
these experiences. And with that said, I'll just catch you

1049
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:36,639
next week.