WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:09.160 on the iHeartRadio app. We got a hometown story, right 4 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:12.599 the pitcher who plays for Pittsburgh, the great guy, great 5 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:15.560 great Kane Skins. He's from Orange County. 6 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.800 I don't know. If I don't know, that's all I 7 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:18.519 have to look it up. 8 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:18.839 Yeah. 9 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:20.839 No, well we got a message saying that he is 10 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:22.719 from Orange County, so it's like a homecoming. 11 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:24.839 So is he pitching today? Is that what you're saying? 12 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:28.120 I am assuming you pitched yesterday or today or someone 13 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:32.479 find out some point. Stocks rising today, worldwide rally. Really 14 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:35.640 After Trump appeared to back off the criticism of Jerome 15 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:39.240 Powell and standing firm in the trade war with China, 16 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:44.039 kind of waffling a bit, Wall Street has responded. Right 17 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.119 now the Dow at six hundred and twenty seven points. 18 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:50.560 We have talked before about the California Film and Television 19 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.320 Jobs Act, passed by the State Assembly Committee for Arts, Entertainment, 20 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:59.240 Sports and Tourism, one of at least two attempts by 21 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:03.840 the legislature to expand some of the tax credits in 22 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.879 the state to make sure that TV and film production 23 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:11.519 at least has a reason to look at California still 24 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:14.959 as a reasonable option. Heather Brooker from KFI News has 25 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.159 been following this with us. So we have one of 26 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:20.519 two now that have at least passed the set of 27 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:24.920 the committee. So they're sister bills. AB one one three 28 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.560 eight and SB six thirty. One is for the Senate 29 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.319 and one is for the House. The House bill passed 30 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:34.760 yesterday with seven yeses with kind of a resounding approval 31 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.680 to move forward, and its sister bill is they're having 32 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.120 a hearing right now as we speak for SB six 33 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:44.239 thirty and that is the Senate version of the Film 34 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.680 and Tax credit. So essentially, right now, California's Film and 35 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.959 Tax credit has been stuck at the same amount since 36 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:52.159 two thousand and nine. 37 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.560 It's at three hundred and thirty thousand dollars, so it's 38 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:55.200 been capped. 39 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:56.480 That means any. 40 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:59.040 Production you said thousand million, right million, I'm sorry, three 41 00:01:59.120 --> 00:01:59.719 hundred and thirty. 42 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.239 I'm still waking up, guys. That's right, three and thirty million, 43 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.040 thank you. So it's capped right there. That means that 44 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.240 if productions have went, if that money has already been 45 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.080 reached no other productions could take advantage of that credit, 46 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.520 and it's been like that since two thousand and nine. 47 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.680 So what they've been doing is going to other states 48 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.879 to try to take advantage of other states tax credits 49 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.520 to get their money back for filming. And California makes 50 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.520 about twenty six billion dollars a year on the film 51 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.599 and television industry. It is a massive industry for the 52 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:36.159 state of California. So get finding a way to keep 53 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:40.080 those productions here, to bring those production backs means thousands 54 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.439 of jobs. It means not just for you know, people 55 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.240 involved in the film industry, it also means jobs for 56 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.280 local restaurants and craft services, and there's there's a there's 57 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:51.439 a wide reaching net here. 58 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.240 Now the exodus has already happened. We've talked about this 59 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.120 before with you, Heather as well. Is we've seen so 60 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:02.240 many productions move out of California in recent years. Whether 61 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:05.479 that's from two thousand and nine, I believe it started, 62 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.000 you know, twenty five years ago, maybe a little bit more. 63 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.840 But is it kind of in the same conversation that 64 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:15.120 we're having with manufacturing in the United States, much of 65 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.520 it has moved overseas in order to bring it back 66 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:22.639 in order to bring film and TV production back to LA. 67 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:23.800 How many years are we. 68 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:26.479 Looking at to bring all that infrastructure structure back and 69 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:27.479 is it worth it? Did? 70 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:29.639 They think, well, I think you know some of the 71 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.000 people who are opposing the bill, and there hasn't been 72 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.560 a lot of vocal opposition to these bills. The majority 73 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.039 of people in this state are supporting it. But some 74 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.240 of the people who are bringing up their opposition are saying, hey, 75 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:42.960 is this going to be like a race to the 76 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.840 bottom here, because if we raise our tax credit to 77 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.520 seven hundred and fifty million dollars, are all the other 78 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.199 states going to do the same thing? And then we're 79 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.680 right back where we started from. Right now, Georgia, we're 80 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.039 only second if we if we if this approved gets approved, 81 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.199 we're going to be second to Georgia, which has no 82 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.520 cap which is why there is so many productions that 83 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.919 went to Georgia. So then what happens is do the 84 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.680 other states kind of start falling along and then we're 85 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:09.360 right back where. 86 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:09.759 He started from it. 87 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:15.159 So what the pack, essentially, the group that's kind of 88 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.000 fighting for this to move through, is saying, is this 89 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.920 isn't a perfect plan. It doesn't have all the answers, 90 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.560 but it's a good plan and it's better than nothing, 91 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:25.040 and we have to at least try. 92 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:26.920 And I agree with that it is better than nothing. 93 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:28.800 I just think this ship has sailed. I mean, we 94 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:30.959 just talked about it. I don't remember if it was 95 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:32.680 the three of us the last time we spoke about 96 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.560 things moving out of California and how we've all gone 97 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.199 to concerts and all the things outside of state because 98 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.199 it's just so much cheaper. When you think about the 99 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.800 mini city that goes with a TV production or a 100 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:48.759 film production. You're paying more in California for everything, not 101 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:51.199 just you know, getting the tax credit back or whatever, 102 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.199 but you're paying more for the you know, the people, 103 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.600 the jockey, the key jockey, what is that? Is that 104 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:02.120 something you're paying sure the key grip? 105 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:04.000 Are you saying about horse racing? 106 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:08.319 More for a lodging, for food, for crafts? Are everything 107 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.079 you're paying more for? It's not just there is film credit. 108 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.759 There is a larger over overarching issue here. It is 109 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.680 not just that we don't have the tax credit available 110 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:23.759 for these productions. It is that California is exorbitantly expensive 111 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:28.199 no matter what level of the production rung ladder that 112 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.759 you're on. It's too expensive to live here. So even 113 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.839 if there were more productions brought back, people still have 114 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.639 to be able to afford to live here. So this 115 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:40.079 bill doesn't address any of that. It doesn't address any 116 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.000 of the cost of living stuff. It truly is just 117 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.319 tax incentive. What it does do is it's going to 118 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:49.199 expand the number of productions that can be eligible for it. So, 119 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:53.639 for example, it's going to have incentives for series for 120 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.399 forty minutes to twenty minutes. Right now, you could only 121 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:59.360 apply for a tax incentive if your series is forty 122 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.680 minutes or longer. So this would mean there's more taxing 123 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:06.560 centives for shorter shows, shorter programs, for animated series, for 124 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.600 animated films. The previous tax plan from two thousand and 125 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.160 nine did not include any of these types of productions. 126 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.120 So the hope is that by widening the net and 127 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:22.480 saying we're welcoming more productions, more opportunities, that people will 128 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:25.360 start to come back. I mean, so many people already 129 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:26.959 live in la they already live here. A lot of 130 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:28.279 people want to live here. 131 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:29.759 But if you. 132 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.399 Don't make if you don't have a job, if they 133 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:33.199 don't have a job somewhere to go to work some 134 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:35.519 way to make money. Of course they're going to go 135 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:36.040 somewhere else. 136 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.879 Yeah, And it's it's ignoring some of the basic economic 137 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.720 realities of what the industry has been and meant you 138 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:45.199 said twenty six billion in terms of income to the state. 139 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.040 There are people who when we talked about this the 140 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.240 other day, you were mentioning that a production had gone 141 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.040 down recently, film and TV production, and we actually got 142 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.360 comments from people who said, good, I'm sick and tired 143 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:58.600 of them in my neighborhood done all this and the whatever, 144 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.720 but without understanding. But one of the reasons why your 145 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:06.519 neighborhood coffee shop or restaurant or a grocery store that 146 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:09.240 you love, one of the reasons is still in existence 147 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:11.319 is because of the money that's been spent by film 148 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:12.160 and TV crews. 149 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:16.519 The trickle down effect is cannot be ignored in the 150 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.959 film and television industry. We're talking about two hundred thousand 151 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:24.079 jobs created and at a part of this tax credit 152 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.279 since two thousand and nine. If we increase it, the 153 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.480 proponents are saying, that's even more jobs, that's even more 154 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:34.160 economic stimulation. That's going to happen in the community, and 155 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.680 it is, like you said, at a very small level. 156 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.680 Even your local coffee shop will see the benefits of that. 157 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:42.079 And for people, you know, I saw those comments too, 158 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:45.240 and people are you know, they don't want production. I 159 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:48.079 think it truly is because people just see the celebrity 160 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.000 side of entertainment. And if you stop and think for 161 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.279 a second that there is far more that goes into 162 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.959 It takes hundreds, sometimes thousands of hands on a major 163 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:02.160 feature film, from animators, tons to the key jockey, you know, 164 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.040 whatever whatever. 165 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:05.319 In my knee. 166 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.040 Sometimes I just wanna slap myself right across the face. 167 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:12.920 It's working. It's people who who need good paying jobs, 168 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.120 and film and television in a lot of ways has 169 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:17.519 good paying jobs. 170 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:21.600 Well, you said, Setibill six thirty is being talked about. Now, 171 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:22.800 keep us updated, as. 172 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:23.319 I definitely will. 173 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:24.639 I have a schedule later on. 174 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:27.279 I'm going to talk to one of the main proponents, 175 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:30.199 the person who is leading the charge. She's actually speaking 176 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:32.039 right now, and I'm going to talk to her later 177 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:33.240 when she comes out of the committee. 178 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:33.960 Heather, thank you. 179 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:34.240 Hey. 180 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.240 Let's play Choose your Own Adventure day and dive into 181 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.240 this Paul Skins story at Angel Stadium because it's a 182 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:43.200 pretty good one. He pitched yesterday, and there's a nice 183 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.720 moment with Mike Trout and just to feel good home Homecoming. 184 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:51.399 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 185 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:53.679 AM six forty. 186 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:57.639 So we mentioned Paul Skeins coming back to Orange County. Yes, 187 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:01.279 he pitched yesterday, Now he had He's from Lake Forest. 188 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.559 He had walked the outfield dirt of Angel Stadium before, 189 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.080 but that was on Little League day. Growing up, he 190 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.679 had caught batting practice home runs and the right field bleachers. 191 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:17.240 He made plenty of trips to Angel Stadium, including in 192 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:21.159 that window in twenty twenty three between winning a College 193 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:25.519 World Series and being drafted first overall by the Pittsburgh Pirates, 194 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.039 but until yesterday, he had never stepped foot on the 195 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:34.360 actual playing field of his hometown team. So after shagging 196 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.279 fly balls in the outfield interacting with some fans in 197 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.879 the stands, he got a look at how things are 198 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.559 on the other side. He says, I was just running 199 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:44.399 in the outfields. It's the same as when I was 200 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:48.320 growing up. They've got a three game set there in Anaheim. 201 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.919 He said, the sun's right in your eyes when you're 202 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.559 trying to catch balls and the stands during batting practice. 203 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:54.559 One of those things that you can't forget how cool 204 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:55.440 it is what we're doing. 205 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.159 When I got out of college and so when I 206 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:04.519 was here, you know, I'd like to think I was 207 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.159 the reason it was one of the one series because 208 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:11.159 I was born that year. Now, but every this is this, 209 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.000 this is my team. So obviously grew up here watching 210 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:22.399 trout Otani. More recently, Derek Ivar, John Lackey, Uh, go through. 211 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:24.759 It's cool, be back. 212 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:26.399 Just talked to Mike. 213 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:29.360 Yeah, I actually met him earlier today in the outfield. 214 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.799 Who was Who's the first one out there doing early 215 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:37.120 work for them? Pretty pretty cool to to meet him, 216 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.720 got to, you know, spend a little bit of time 217 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:41.519 with him. 218 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.960 That's really it's like your childhood hero. Yeah. He was 219 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.279 there at Otawani's first home pitching start. And here's how 220 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:53.080 we got the tickets. Mark Chapman went to Skien's High 221 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:57.120 School in El Toro and and hooked up with the 222 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.360 tickets since the A's were in town, and then in 223 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.480 the bleachers a few days later when o'hanne sailed that 224 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:10.000 majestic shot over his head. How cool He's like, I 225 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.240 like to think I was the reason the Angels won 226 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.600 the World Series because I was born that year, in 227 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:15.519 two thousand and two. 228 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.480 That is, I mean, I covered that World Series. 229 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.240 Yeah, I was just gonna say that that's not. 230 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:24.000 Fun so funny. 231 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:28.600 Wow, that's great. I mean, this is one of those 232 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:32.159 guys' schemes. Is one of those guys that is just 233 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:40.039 hard to describe in terms of his his impact on 234 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.480 the game. To be that young and to already be 235 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.120 considered one of the top two or three pitchers in 236 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:46.080 the entire league. 237 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.720 He said that he said, well, most well, while most 238 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:52.559 people have dreams of playing in the Majors when they 239 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.799 visit their hometown stadium growing up, he says that that 240 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.360 dream never felt like a reality until he went to 241 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.600 Coors Field when he was with the Air Force, went 242 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:02.840 to the Air Force Academy. 243 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:07.720 I don't think he pitched last night. He's not scheduled 244 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.200 to pitch against the Angels. He'll probably pitch on Fridays. 245 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:12.399 Well, I mean he warmed up on the mound. I 246 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.519 guess is what they're Yeah, how cool is that? 247 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.360 It's one of that's one of those great stories that 248 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.919 you don't I don't know. There's a difference between baseball 249 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:23.799 and other sports when it comes to stuff like that, 250 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:26.679 and not just because I think it's I it's my 251 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:29.159 favorite sport. I think it's just because the way that 252 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.799 the sport is played, the way that it is so 253 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.320 much older than a lot of a lot of the 254 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:36.120 things that we watch. 255 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.879 I think also, I think about children more with baseball. 256 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:43.639 I think of kids watching baseball growing up more than 257 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.679 any other sport. But then maybe that's just because of 258 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.879 where I grew up. I don't know, I get I 259 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.279 grew up in a big hockey town, so it wasn't 260 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:53.759 like everyone would go to the San Jose Sharks games. 261 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.360 That's true. When did they even start? When did the 262 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.960 Sharks even start as a franchise? I would say late eighties. 263 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.799 I mean, I know artrus urbe played in nineteen ninety three. 264 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.840 He was always on my video game that I would play. 265 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.879 They began play in the ninety one ninety two season. Yeah, 266 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.039 all right, all right, up next, we'll talk about these 267 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.440 power lines. We've heard this over and over again for 268 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.879 as long as I can remember living in California. The 269 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.080 power lines should be buried because of the potential fire 270 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.240 Hasard and over the last decade, we've seen those fires 271 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.480 caused by power lines in a way we've not seen 272 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.159 in the past. So we'll talk about what goes into 273 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.200 actually burying power lines, what it means, how long it 274 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:40.080 how long it would take, and how expensive it would be. 275 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.879 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 276 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:46.000 AM six forty. 277 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.039 Since the fire in Paradise, the campfire that killed eighty 278 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.480 five people and destroyed thousands of buildings, there have been 279 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:55.960 calls and started long before that, but there have been 280 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:01.639 calls to put electrical lines underground throughout California because of 281 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.720 our risk of wildfire. Now, wildfire itself is not new 282 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:11.399 to California. That's been around for long before that was California, 283 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.879 and there are discussions ongoing about putting some of these 284 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.440 power lines undergrounding these power lines in some of the 285 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.279 higher risk areas around the state. But it's gonna cost 286 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.840 a lot of money. After the fires and after an 287 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:32.200 executive order from the governor I'm speaking of the Eton 288 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:36.799 and the Palisades fires, so calitis and released a plan. 289 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:38.240 They said they were going to bury more than one 290 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:42.000 hundred and fifty circuit miles of distribution power lines in 291 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.039 the footprints of those fires, the Palisades and Eaten fires. 292 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.320 Most of those would take place in and around Altadena 293 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:48.960 and Malibu. 294 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:53.279 It makes sense that you would target these super high risk. 295 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:54.120 Areas, right. 296 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.919 The problem with that is, I mean, there's one good 297 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:01.320 thing in those higher risk areas is think of the 298 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:06.519 hills above Altadena, for example, there's fewer other utilities that 299 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.799 they'd have to deal with. But if you're talking about 300 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:12.360 a neighborhood that you would consider, and maybe those right 301 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:15.200 on the outskirts there at Altadena where it meets the mountains, 302 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.600 you are going to have sewer lines, cable line, You're 303 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:21.440 gonna have other utilities that you have to deal with. 304 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:22.759 It's not as easy as. 305 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.200 Just putting in a trench and then drop it a 306 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.240 wire down there. LA Department of Water and Power, by 307 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.000 the way, says they are going to go underground with 308 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.320 some of their four thousand power lines out in the 309 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:38.960 Palisades area since that's their jurisdiction, and they say it 310 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:44.559 will cost somewhere between one million and fourteen million dollars 311 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:47.159 per mile, depending on the location. 312 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.919 The statics of quite a gap. 313 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:55.240 Well, and that's just one million is ridiculously expensive. Fourteen million. 314 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.720 One million is not feasible. There's no way it's going 315 00:15:57.759 --> 00:15:58.799 to be only a million. 316 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.200 So cal Edison says that their cost per mile is 317 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:06.039 somewhere between three and five million, which is still completely outlandish. 318 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.279 Now there's other options. One of the other options that 319 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:14.320 they talk about is to basically spray some of I 320 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.639 don't know how they do it. They cover their lines 321 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.879 with what they refer to as a fire resistant material, 322 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:24.600 the covered conductor program that Edison is working on. 323 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:25.279 Now. 324 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:30.080 Again, Edison says to underground their lines would be somewhere 325 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.440 between three and five million dollars per mile. To put 326 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.840 this covered conductor resistant material on there would be about 327 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:39.480 seven hundred thousand dollars. 328 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:43.240 How about just getting all the infrastructure in working order 329 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.960 for twenty twenty five. How About instead of talking about 330 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.559 putting all the lines underground, you spend the five dollars 331 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.960 per pole and get everything working so that they don't 332 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.720 start the fires because all the infrastructure is aging. How 333 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.320 About we'll start there and we'll get everything in working order, 334 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.400 and then we can talk about the unicorn dreams of 335 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:05.599 putting everything underground. 336 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.799 What I understand is that this is not even considered. 337 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.680 Even two and a half three months later, nobody says 338 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:16.119 the Palisades fire started because of power lines. 339 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.519 I haven't seen that anywhere. The Altadena one. 340 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.079 Yes, I mean they have video that shows what they 341 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:25.079 say is the start of that fire under an edit. 342 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.319 Power countless fire started by power line. 343 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.599 Oh yeah, And I'm not saying that's. 344 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:32.480 Because it's aging infrastructure. 345 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.240 And the Altadena fire is probably the best example of that. 346 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.279 That they said that this was a tower that was 347 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.000 not being used but existed for the last sixty five 348 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:43.480 seventy seventy five years. 349 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:47.279 About we just go and we we update the infrastructure, 350 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:51.880 because that's not expensive, that's not nearly as expensive as this. 351 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.799 This is. This is this is a pipe. 352 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:59.559 Dream, the underground pipe the reaction that utilities have had lately. 353 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.240 Of course, these public safety power shutofs, which are not 354 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.279 a great option for a lot of people. Think of 355 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:09.599 what happened in Altadena, for example, that fire. Everybody's attention 356 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.640 was on the Palisades that day because the fire had 357 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.240 already started. The fire started during our show, so thankfully 358 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:18.720 we have an alibi. We didn't do it, But everybody 359 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:20.960 was talking about the Palisades fire for the first twelve 360 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:24.519 hours of the Palisades fired. That's where the attention was. 361 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.160 And then something sparks in Alta Dina and you're talking 362 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.920 about much later at night. And in the event that 363 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.680 they had shut off the electricity, no one there would 364 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:38.519 have been I shouldn't say no one. Getting word out 365 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.160 about the fire would have been more difficult if nobody 366 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:42.759 had electricity in that neighborhood. 367 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:43.640 We didn't. 368 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:44.839 And that's the thing. 369 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.359 We didn't have electricity. That was the problem. Remember, because 370 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.240 I remember I had no electricity. My electricity went off. 371 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:51.680 It's sick. 372 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:55.279 I think it was because I'm a couple canyons over 373 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.799 from where that burst in Alta Dina. That fire erupted, 374 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:04.759 but I think it was a shut off by the 375 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:09.720 power company at about six pm so, and then the 376 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.559 fire started. And we had no way of knowing. The 377 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.400 only way I knew because Twitter was down, everything was down. 378 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.839 I didn't even know there was a fire in Altadena 379 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:19.960 till one of my friends texted and said, are you 380 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:23.200 close to Altadena? And I thought, oh, crap, Alta Dina's 381 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.200 on fire now, So. 382 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.440 Yeah, And that proves my point these public safety power 383 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:33.640 shut offs as reactive as they are in terms or 384 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.680 proactive I guess is what the utility would suggest, they 385 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:42.640 could potentially cause more problems than they solved. Yeah, because 386 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.200 of the fact that they don't have people don't have 387 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.079 the ability to communicate the way that they should in 388 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:48.839 those instances. 389 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.119 Now, especially with how quick those both of those fires took. 390 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.000 Off very quickly because we knew the danger. 391 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:59.119 Now, the argument of undergrounding these power lines is a 392 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:05.519 good one, but it is financially absolutely unfeasible now because 393 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.440 you think the state has enough money to do it, 394 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:10.920 not by a long shot, and the utilities are just 395 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:13.079 gonna end up charging you for you You could. 396 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.799 Dip into all the big pot of money that the 397 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.559 city set aside for homelessness that they don't even bother 398 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:19.960 spending because they don't know what to do. 399 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.599 Well, that would but then again, you're only talking about 400 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:28.400 a couple hundred miles maybe of lines that go under ground, 401 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.480