Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a Friday
happy hour live here with Clips and Dip. I am
Chuck Mockler with Adam Oslin. We am up like should
be on the show at some point. If you're listening
to this and you miss the live, you can find
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the bell and you'll know when we go live. If
you want to hang out Adam. Some folks might be wondering,
what the hell is our background? What is going on here?
Speaker 2: Well, it's Friday night and Chuck and I are about
to have a prayer lock in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're locking. We're locking in. We're getting pizza, we
got shuffleboard.
Speaker 2: We're getting wild Man back up and running. We are
with the Clippers. We're going the same way.
Speaker 1: We are ascending. If you were all live a couple
weeks I don't know what feels like an eternity ago.
We were in hell for a bit, but the Clippers
aren't exactly in heaven yet. But we are ascending. They
get the win over the Lakers. We need more in
and out videos. Marios as saying Adam is the king
of in and out.
Speaker 2: I did do one last night.
Speaker 1: I know I watched it. We were talking about this
a little bit before we started. But last night could
have been horrible. Last night could have been the worst
loss of the season, but it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Chuck, I think that might have been the worst regular
season loss ever. If you consider biggest comeback on the
Clippers ever, I think down twenty six might have qualified
as the biggest comeback a team ever had on the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Will would you have punched a hole in the wall
if the Clippers would have lost last night?
Speaker 3: Oh? I would have been furious. Man. That's what it
was looking like there for a while. It got a
little hairy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got dicey. Uh. A lot of Murray pointed
this out, but the Lakers kind of really only scored
off of turnovers for the like, off of weird, shitty
possessions by the Clippers.
Speaker 2: A lot of self inflicted ones.
Speaker 1: A lot of self inflicted ones, and the refs were bad.
Speaker 2: I'd never heard coach lu had to bite his tongue.
Kawhi said that was some crazy s I'm sorry, but
that was okay. If you lose a twenty six point lead,
nobody's gonna feel sorry for you. Regardless of what the
refs do. But there was some craziness last night.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I mean it was Clippers did take more
free throw attempts.
Speaker 2: Well, there was some intentional fouls late by the Lakers.
That's kewed things. It was a lot of the calls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought a bigger issue was just the stuff
that wasn't getting called period.
Speaker 1: Kawhi was taking a couple.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He was very good at the very end of the game,
which was great, but it felt like he and Harden
were both I want to say, taking like hit but
it was just yeah, it was very physical in the pain.
It was a playoff atmosphere whistlewise, not.
Speaker 2: When it was guarding Luca. Chris Don got some real
ticky tack calls on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that shoulder move that Luca does where he
just he bumps in and then the rest just automatically called.
But you know who was good last night. You know
who provided some value on the court, A Viza Zubats.
Speaker 2: I am very happy to see a Visa Zubats thrive
the way he did last night against the Lakers.
Speaker 3: And that was a crazy foul call, which one when
Vanderbilt hooked him and they ended up doing foul thing
Like I thought that was I thought that with trash.
I thought that was the utter trash because dude just
didn't he didn't do anything extra at least I don't know,
not that I saw, not that I observed. It looked
like he was just trying to disengage and then he
left it at that.
Speaker 2: And he had just got into a vanda with Collins.
I think the possession before for a rebound, So I
don't know it. Thank goodness the Clippers one, because I
would not want to be talking about fouls and a
complete collapse.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would have been a nightmare. Collins had a
huge offensive rebound late. It was before Zoos. Yeah, it
was off a free throw that was awesome to see.
And then Kobe and Jordan combined for twenty three points.
Jordan Miller was kind of bad on the third, but
everyone was really bad on the third.
Speaker 3: They were letting him play through some moments there. There
was a couple of Jordan Miller possessions there where I
was like, man, if there's not a you know, a
minute's restriction on Kawhi, Like are they letting him go
to that extent?
Speaker 2: He got d'ed up by Ruey in the fourth quarter
on our possession where he was just trying to go
at him and really couldn't get anything out of it.
It might have been in a turnover, no Shakhlak violation turnover.
He also had seven straight for them early in the
big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got those. The early Kobe efficient threes
were incredible, like we needed all obviously, we needed every
point we could get in the beginning of this game.
Speaker 2: I thought those were really big too, because they countered.
And then some what Jake Lauravia was getting. He hit
two wide open threes to start, and it was like,
is this gonna be role players, you know, shooting night
for the Lakers to night against the Clippers. They're gonna
be knocking down shots they don't always hit. And then
Kobe Sanders Uh was able to take that momentum away.
Speaker 3: They were leaving him wide open. I mean, I guess
a couple of those were like miscommunications. It wasn't game planned,
but yeah, a couple of those were wide wide open those.
Speaker 1: Their defense is bad, it is, yeah, it is bad defense.
I like that Chris down only took two threes. I
think that's a testament that the Clippers offense was working
better than it usually does. Usually, defenses want Chris dun
of anybody to take threes from the starting lineup, right,
Like if you just look at the percentages, and we've
seen the ball funnel that way. So it was nice
to see the Clippers not have to funnel that. No
disrespect to Chris done, he's very good, but shooting from
outside is a win for the defense and what they
try and get the Clippers to do a lot of
the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Chris Dune's a different shooter this season so far,
and I always regressed a little bit as of late.
But is he's still above thirty seven percent from three?
Speaker 1: Let me check.
Speaker 2: I know he missed at least one late in the
game where they left him wide open.
Speaker 1: He's at thirty seven point two, go ahead and call it.
Miles Johnson brought this up. Harden's got to make shots eventually, right.
He's been in a shooting slump for weeks. Harden was
a little laxa daisical with the ball possession last night.
Speaker 2: That was frustrating, dude.
Speaker 1: There were some passes where like he kept doing that
like you know, kind of the he just came. He's
kind of like rolling it to the guy like the
entry pat and I think it got picked off like twice,
and it was just like dude, like, well, it's your
telegraph of this and you're moving slowly while you're doing.
Speaker 2: The steal and score by Kawhi at the end of
the third quarter was inexcusable. Throwing that pass for Kawhi
just to get an easy run out dunk with three
seconds left in the third That was and they had
five turnovers the last six minutes of the third quarter.
It was. It was bad. It was sloppy, but it's
also a trend going back at least a season now
of as bad as the Lakers defense was for two
and a half quarters, once they ramped up the ball pressure,
the Clippers could not handle it. Yeah, and that has
been an issue for years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was exactly exposing anything on
how to play the Clippers right now, but it does
show if you have athletes who even for a bad
defense a defense, right that's not like they tapped into
what they usually are when they were playing that good defense.
They just upped the pressure. But I think to answer
the question, like Harden will start shooting better at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's at twenty six percent in January.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also and we're winning him.
Speaker 2: I honestly think he hit the biggest shot of the game.
No disrespect to JC JC Saves and John Collins, but
that three point a Harden hit after Luca hit the
three to bring it to within two, which is the
closest they got. He hesitated and then he took it
and hit it because he hadn't been making him so
that's probably why he hesitated. I'm hoping that goes a
long way for him and just turn this round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a big bucket.
Speaker 1: I like this point from Sports and Fitness Frants zoo
Bots weight loss hindered his performance. He put back on
the weight when he was injured. Now he's playing good.
Screw it, I'll take it. That is the nicest thing.
Speaker 2: Anyone like that. Pretty bad games on the road trips.
So it's amazing. You know, Zoo's playing much better now.
It's like, I don't know, he look that great against Chicago.
It's a day later now he now he's fine. He
put on weight that since then.
Speaker 1: People take it game by game with Sue, he's not
allowed to have a body orc Yeah. I like that
we're getting the ugly wins now. Like this is when
they said the Clipper or the Lakers record and clutch
games on the broadcast, they were what like thirteen. Yeah,
I was like, so kind of like the Raptors their
clutch time merchants.
Speaker 2: They are close game that has inflated their record from
the start of the season when you look at net
rating and everything else, like, how the hell are the Lakers?
How do they have a little record this good? Well,
they're not getting as many clutch time games now and
they're starting to regrets to the met a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Clippers just kind of went the opposite
way to start the season. You know, there were many
close games that they just did not put away and
things look a lot different that happened.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Williams is asking any word on Derek Jones junior
return none at all. We'll get an update probably when
he practices. That would be great. We do have to
talk about there's a very important game on Sunday. It
is against the Nets. And the reason this game is
important for those of you who are unaware of this
saga because Robert Flahm uh og Clippers blogger podcaster tend
to be kind of a negative fan. I think he
would admit to that as well. I don't mean that
in a mean light, but we've seen Flom's twitter.
Speaker 2: Is universally accepted. Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We love Robert Flamm.
Speaker 2: I call them the of Clipper Nation.
Speaker 1: Yes, bond Clippers said we're going This was back in December.
We're going fifteen and three after the Demard de Rosen
trade and losing round one to Houston. The prophecy he
has been written. Robert Flaum said if they go fifteen
and three in any stretch this season, I will print
and eat this tweet. Well, folks, guess what the Clippers
can do on Sunday. They can go fifteen and three
during this stretch and Robert Flamm will have to print
and eat that tweet. Will Adam Will, how would you
eat the How would you prepare You're the best cook
of the crew. How would you prepare this if you
were Robert Flahm. Should the Clippers win.
Speaker 3: Well, the paper is kind of harsh, So I'd maybe
cook down a little wine, cook that thing up so
often and up a little bit maybe maybe maybe do
like a spring roll type thing stuff with some pressures.
Speaker 1: You're using it as like the et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, use it as a use it as like
a rice paper, but a pulp paper, uh, sort of
wrapper to like a spring roll type thing, I think
is what I'm feeling right now.
Speaker 1: That's a good call. Do you think it would be?
Could he reduce it to where it disintegrated and then
just put it in a ragoo or something?
Speaker 2: M M.
Speaker 3: That doesn't really seem to be in the spirit of
the right. Okay, unless it's a crow raggy, Unless it's
a crow.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: I think one time Berner Herzog challenged a film student
is like, if you ever make a film, I'll eat
my shoe. And that guy did. He stood up and
cut pieces of his shoe in a.
Speaker 1: There's a video of it. Really I should watch that.
Uh the nets are not. I well, I think that's
a great idea. I was gonna say, put ketchup on it.
M that was gonna be mine.
Speaker 2: If you had an assembly line of cupcakes, like, would
it be considered like if they're just like stamping them
with this icing, could that be like a print.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess that seems a lot more elaborate.
What do we think he's going to have to eat paper?
The Nets? Recently? They scored sixty six points the other night.
They play the Celtics today, they might not be doing.
Speaker 2: So if Robert Blaum doesn't eat paper, I'll eat paper
if they lose to the Nets. No, No, I won't
clip that. I won't don't clip that part context me.
Speaker 1: Do we think will do we think the Clippers are
going to run into if say, the Nets lose tonight
to the Celtics, let me check if they might be done? Oh,
they're up six at halftime. Honestly, we need the Nets
to win tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're span And do they know about the
paper thing? Can we get this Charlie Widows? Is he
still with their organization? Can we get this information to him?
Can they help us out? It would be in their
best interest if the Clippers won too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the players don't care about that on the court.
Speaker 1: I don't want tweets. I don't even know what that means.
Will do you think we're getting the dub?
Speaker 3: I'm feeling good about it, man, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1: We beat them earlier this month. Jordan Miller scored twenty
one in that game and Kaui had thirty one. This
time it's going to be reversed. Jordan Miller has thirty one.
I mean that'd be great. Adam, how are you feeling
about this game?
Speaker 2: I'd be feeling especially good if I knew if Kawhi
was on the off the minister fiction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did like how Tyleru managed it right, Like.
Speaker 2: They never should have had to put him back in,
but it was done the right way in case they
needed to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the other game where they had to
bring him back in? Was that the horn here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was that the Hornets game? Where like they were playing
a team that they should have beat.
Speaker 2: I think it was the Hornets, but that wasn't Kauhi
and a minister section.
Speaker 1: It just oh, it was the Wizards. It was He
played right at thirty minutes against the Wizards, like last week,
they had another horrific third quarter.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't have to come back at all.
We should be able to beat the Nets and they
should make him eat paper. Do you think he can
come on this? Do you think he's gonna stream it.
Speaker 2: He should. Nobody's gonna believe him otherwise. Pressure. I mean,
this is big Clipper Nation content. We need this, we
need this, Clippers redd it is frothing at the mouth
for this. I mean, we have WTF Eric going going
off right now, But Robert Flomp could help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine the content, Imagine imagine what the viewers want.
Speaker 2: Now, let's hope his video doesn't glitch out like Chucks
has been doing currently and just did to where he
had to leave was to get unforted.
Speaker 3: Spectrum folks, do we want to do twenty minutes on that.
Speaker 2: I'm still in the first year, so I got a
good deal promotional offer.
Speaker 3: It's just a monopoly. I can't get an internet service
from any other provider where I'm at, so that inherently
pisses me off.
Speaker 2: That's that type of thing. You're good with the Clippers
winning on Sunday, no issues. Will you think they got
this one in the bag?
Speaker 3: I think they got this one in the bag, especially
just coming off the road trip that they did so
well on four and one. I think they're primed for it.
They seem locked in right now. And I do think
that Charles and I were both like kind of commenting
on how yes, there was frustration on the court when
during that Lakers comeback, at no point did it feel
like anyone was panicking. Now, it did feel normally like
I mean, it did feel, you know, from watching it
as a fan, like the Lakers could definitely come back
and go continue that run there, But it didn't feel
like on the court for the Clippers that there was
a lot of like undue stress like no, like no, no,
one seemed like overly tied about it. There was urgency
of course, uh, and you could tell the guys we're
getting frustrated for some other reasons on the court, but
at no point where they like operating under the gun
where it felt like wow that you know, they've really
got impressed here. So like I I just think that
I don't know, man, maybe that is the one benefit
to losing a lot and being in a lot of
close games even when they don't like, you know, go
your way, is that like you know, you're you're gonna
kind of stay the stay the course and stay steady
for the most part. Like there were some bad turnovers,
I mean a lot of that. A lot of the
player looked a lot better in the in that last ram,
than the than the end the third quarter there. But
I do think, I just do think that they're they're
in a spot right now where they can roll through
a lot of adversity.
Speaker 2: The turnovers are my one concern normally. I'm not only
seventeen last night nineteen twenty twenty. No, maybe it wasn't twenty.
It was too many in the second half, that's for
damn sure. And really they all occurred in the last
seventeen minutes of the ballgame, and it's just a trend
and a pattern with this team, the turnovers, Chuck, I think.
Speaker 3: That fatigue is pretty apparent on the court.
Speaker 1: They hit a wall so hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see.
Speaker 2: There was a twenty five to four run or a
twenty four to five run by the Lakers.
Speaker 3: And I think that's another reason why you see that
intense ball pressure be so effective, because like not only
is it, you know, like outside there the regular scope
of comfortability, they're tired on top of it, and that's
when you start to see those turnovers and stuff sort
of amount.
Speaker 1: You see with Jordan Miller, he stops passing, Yeah, he
gets crazy tunnel vision not and again not knocking Jordan Miller.
We needed all of his points and he's been phenomenal,
but that's his like he's tired Marker. It's just you
saw a little bit last night where it was like, dude,
you gotta let this one go, like move the ball somewhere.
Speaker 2: They need. We said this last year's trade deadline, I
talked about calling secon a lot. Then they could really
use a guy like that to break the press. Yeah,
they really could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is everything is waiting for either Cat or
Yannis to happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're Cat in there now too.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean everything feels like everything's held up. There's
what two weeks a week.
Speaker 2: Comingo, are they gonna trade Kminga? Now he's hurt, Jimmy
and now yeah he gets hurt. It's yeah, that first
domino to fall. But they're just that sense of urgency.
The closer we get to February fifth and maybe we're
just waiting. It is rare to have the big moves.
I think Blake Griffin, that happened like maybe a week
before or two weeks before, when the Clippers trade him
to Detroit the trade deadline. That was one of the
preliminary type pig trades.
Speaker 1: Someone in the comments was asking, uh, we were talking
about when Derek Jones Junior gets back, if they should
move Chris Dunn back to the bench and so it
would be Collins and Derrick Jones Junior. But I was like,
that's I mean, I could see why you would think that,
but I think Harden just has way too much responsibility.
Like Chris Dunn still does bring the ball up a
little bit for the first unit.
Speaker 2: He's been doing it a lot lately too. He's been
bringing the ball into the front court and Harden's been
playing off the ball from when I've seen a lot
more the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it was effected. I thought it
was highly effective on a couple of possessions last night.
That was a good spot to get hard and off
the ball, open up the floor a little bit more.
And so yeah, I think for right now, I mean,
you know, best record over the last fifteen games or whatever,
there's there's no need that there's no need to make
a change.
Speaker 2: The goal coming into the season was to have three
ball handlers out there at all times. Obviously that went
by the wayside with Bradley Beal and CP three, but
no they're not going to take away another guy. Have
you seen DJ bring the ball into the front court?
It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Even call it Collin DJ. No, someone saying Kobe White
would be ideal. I wouldn't be mad at Kobe White,
but I don't know what the price is. I don't
think would be great of what they want. I would
What is their price on Kobe White?
Speaker 2: I mean they're in danger of losing him for nothing
because he's an unrestricted free agent, is the thing. So
he only makes twelve million?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we don't have anything they want for twelve
million dollars?
Speaker 2: Maybe DJ.
Speaker 1: That would hurt, That would sting.
Speaker 2: It would hurt. But I totally understand it. I don't
I don't want to see DJ go.
Speaker 1: But is he a hurt guy now? Is he an
injury prone guy now after this?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 1: He played games before this? Yeah, like he's played a
lot of games ahead of this one season.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about non contact injuries. We're talking about
two of the most fluky, unlucky injuries against the team
with the damn four leaf clover.
Speaker 1: This is very funny. So how many kob do you
all want on this team? Very good? Thank you? Mick Jones.
Speaker 2: If you get Kobe White for DJ, you are re
signing Kobe White. Yes. The real question is how much
is he going to demand?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Because DJ has one year under contract after this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does, and he's only a ten million Yeah,
this person is saying they would trade Nico Nico makes
five million dollars.
Speaker 2: Because they're not trading Nico twice away from the Clippers.
It's not happening.
Speaker 1: Also, what are you trading him for? Like he's too
good for what he does? I know he's not, like
he's but for what he does with the Clippers need
They pointed this out on the broadcast last night. Who
inbounds the ball when it's important? Nick Wato does.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, even he had a bad turnover last night that
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1: Well, thank god Luca uh hesitated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he turned down the catch and shoot, that was
him trying to get to his step back that he missed.
Speaker 1: He's not really a big moments guy.
Speaker 2: Definitely not against the Clippers.
Speaker 1: He's not really a moment's guy. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Does he ever won a playoff game with the step
back three against the Clippers. I doubt it.
Speaker 1: That Mexican nar asking how much is John Collins going
to ask for in the offseason.
Speaker 2: That's why when people question I had law on last
night and I put out what he said today and
he's wondering if John Collins will still be on the team,
and that freaked out a lot of people. After the
trade deadline, it's like, well, there is a real decision
to be made. You don't want to lose him for nothing.
Is he playing so well that you're going to be
priced out from being able to bring him back if
he continues to shoot fifty percent from three over the
next two months, Like it's just amazing to be the same.
People are like, well, I guess it didn't work, or
now like we can't trade Collins? Are you kidding me?
First of all, he's not going to continue to shoot
this well from the outside for two you don't know that.
We know that there will be some regrets us I don't.
I'm not saying I want him to leave, But the
people think, how could you even consider it? Well, because
he could price you out and you could end up
losing him for nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think collins deal looks like like
his contract? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it higher? Than twenty five million year, That's what
I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: No, if he continue, if he ends up shooting like
forty three percent from three maybe yeah.
Speaker 3: So an you think he's like in four for one
twenty range just seems like.
Speaker 2: A lot three for ninety, No, three for eighty.
Speaker 1: That would be fine with me. That contract doesn't seem crazy.
Speaker 3: You don't think he'll look for four years though, yeah,
because he's isn't he twenty eight right now?
Speaker 1: He's gonna be twenty nine?
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, you represented by Clutch.
Speaker 1: He just got five for one twenty five, he's twenty eight. Yeah,
he's gonna be that different. Four for twenty I don't know.
That still doesn't seem like a terrible contract, I guess
for twenty eight year old John Collins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like a freaking month ago, we were all
talking about how he's not gonna get twenty six like
he has now annually, and now a month later, that's
pretty reasonable. But I mean, yeah, what has changed is
also the hot shooting. It's not sustainable, but he's also
doing you don't know that he's also doing everything else
he's supposed to be doing very well.
Speaker 1: To his credit, he's crashing the Lords, he's doing all
the athletic stuff. It's not just the shooting that's making
him good.
Speaker 2: I don't begrudge him whatever he can get. He's good
as much as he can, no doubt. Uh. It's just
interesting that the problem initially with Collins was that he's
not living up to his expectations. Now he's gone to
the other end. Well, maybe he's overshooting it. And now
you have a decision to make. Where are we going
to be able to pay this guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, can we with the Apron stuff?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I think they will be able to because
I think they'll have his bird rights. I don't think
it's an issue of they can't retain him. I think
it's how much do you want to pay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta get some people on the books. People
are saying, well, we still have to resign. We have
sub designed Kobe and Jordan Miller. Those aren't gonna be
huge contracts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we did talk about that last episode. Clearly
that's like the biggest, the first and largest hurdle that
the Clippers are aiming for then, before the and the
free agency, that was.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing for that clutch point strder. Yeah, like,
it's like, that's and really I already number one. I
can't fault him. I gotta get Chris Paul off the
team somehow. I have no idea who is going to
take Chris Paul that he'd apparently want point guard help.
We got one, the point god.
Speaker 3: Some call him. We still call him that. He's that good.
Speaker 1: He's great. For him.
Speaker 2: Tom Collins is shooting sixty three from three in January.
It's like ten games. If you add in about three
more games from December, it's still at sixty percent, or
like five, or we're talking like fifteen games where he's
shooting sixty percent from three. Nuts how many more games
were left? Hit a huge one last night, thirty nine.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, he only went one for three last night.
Horrific by his latest standards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he hit the one that mattered exactly.
Speaker 2: We also had him on post game and it was awesome.
Carla was like, Adam as user player to watch and
he wants to thank you and calls was like, I say,
what's up.
Speaker 1: That's awesome? Hell yeah, yeah. We don't go by Pingalore
rules here. You get a little more niche players of
the game. DJ D flew is saying, are we not
blowing this up again? Yeah, I don't think they're blowing
it up. They trade Zoo. They're blowing it up, but
they don't seem to be wanting to trade Zoo.
Speaker 2: Everybody went from blowing up to know people still everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like what you said, Adam, it's like, what
are the offers? Any crazy offers gonna be considered?
Speaker 2: For sure?
Speaker 1: Right, Like yeah, pixing a guy for Zoo of course?
Like then it's like, yeah, why not? But like I also.
Speaker 2: Hold on to him and maybe get those offers this summer.
Speaker 1: Still, Like right, there's keep him or keep them or
just keep them. A lot of people are bringing up
Mathine in the chat. They're saying Mathrine and Missy might
be traded straight up. So I mean the Pacers would
be willing to sacrifice more for a ready center. I
don't know. I don't know if Mathrone's good. I used
to like him, and then I was reading a bunch
of Pacers Twitter stuff. People don't seem not bummed if
he's gonna go.
Speaker 2: I like him, I'm a fan, but I was a
big family came out of Arizona. I thought he'd be
a little bit further along by now, but it's also
a different type of situation. He's been in there Indiana
where they got good really quickly, So it didn't like
give him a ton of these to just you know,
feel his oats out there and being able to play
through him a little bit more.
Speaker 3: It really just depends because I mean Chuck has brought
this up before too, Like I think Matherne is interesting.
You really are looking at changing what the goals of
this franchise and everything are if that's your your zoom move,
because I don't see that being a successful combo with
Kawhian Harden and I like, I just don't know, like
that would just change. I mean, that just changes the
trajectory of of what we currently know them to be
looking for. I mean maybe Matherine due to like you know,
some slumping and some cooling on him, like if the
price is right, but still just from a talent perspective
of what you're putting out there on the floor, I
just I don't know that that's enough in.
Speaker 1: The West, And who else would they add right, like
because I think the idea too was like it'd be
Benedict Mathern and like who else from the Pacers. Would
we want to like tyrees like Obi Toppin and TJ McConnell.
I would love of TJ McConnell. But I don't think
that's a fair trade for feats.
Speaker 2: Well, I assume they're giving up a couple of picks,
Yeah maybe topping. How does that money work? Isn't top
and making like they're still not going to.
Speaker 1: Be like bad?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Is the other part about the Pacers, like the the picks.
I don't know what I'm saying, Like how good are
from the Pacers?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like do they own their pick this year? Is the question?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because yeah, like if they're looking to get right back
into the mix next season, yea, if.
Speaker 3: It doesn't include the pick this year, I mean the value.
Speaker 1: I mean that like.
Speaker 3: Sure even if it's two or three first like that's
it's rather two or three like seconds almost they have
their own this year. Yeah, that would mean that would
be very difficult to get the deal.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think they would give away
this year's pick for.
Speaker 1: I don't think there isn't it really supposedly really good
draft too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't get to go this bad this season
not to have their number their first round draft pick.
That's not happening.
Speaker 1: It's a good call. People are saying, get Malik Monk.
It's just little moves like these are. Like, I still
think it's interesting they weren't shopping Bogie heard that article.
But I also wonder if they're for an offer. Yeah,
like he's not. There's no timeline for him to be back. Oh,
Lucas hit me up earlier today, he said, are we
interested in some brand integration if they If they get
the win on Sunday, he said, absolutely so. We will
have the stream of Robert Flahm eating paper, the synergy
over here. The synergy We're gonna have to split that
four dollars and fifty cents. Those views will make those guys.
How do we feel about Cole Anthony? Firm bargain. I
know I'm probably wrong. I love Cole Anthony. I understand
his flaws. I've watched him play really good basketball against
the Clippers. We please fund watch Like.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about him this offseason.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would like it selfishly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's three point shooting still down, but.
Speaker 1: He can handle the ball really well, doesn't so like
as a I mean, he's also one of men. I
don't know what do we.
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: We're giving them, We're giving the bucks. CP three get
them back with Doc.
Speaker 3: It's match made and hand right.
Speaker 1: Now, especially as ship is just crumbling. Oh, that'd be
so funny. I would cackle at that.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot cheaper than getting sexed in
or Kobe White. There's also a reason for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Would be fun.
Speaker 2: I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hip to clips. Sex has been mentioned by them. Yeah,
sex would be good. Some saying Kee George.
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here? Could we be real?
Speaker 3: How is that?
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ nte George is like tipping on top fifteen
player in the league and Utah's bad. Why would they
give up what their best young player? I'm sorry, that's
just Can we have some semblance of reality here?
Speaker 1: Alvarado for CP three Hell yeah, yeah, good do it? Sure?
CP three for anybody at this point we need the
roster spot. Guys are hurt.
Speaker 3: CP three for McConnell.
Speaker 2: My guess is CP three is a part of a
larger trade. That doesn't mean for a big time player,
just their combining salaries.
Speaker 1: I like this, I like this idea for Anthony Garcia. Actually,
let's get Prime shot. Yeah you got Yeah, Let's get
Shack and the general.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Last night was the first time I'd watched Blake Griffin
do the studio stuff. I thought he was really good.
Speaker 3: He was also in a large amount of the ads
he's in like Wingstop Ads, Wayfair Ads, a bunch of ads.
Speaker 2: Good. That's a that's the thing for like studio hosts.
Now you see like the Spen guys like Chris Faller
and an ad and stuff. They get all those opportunities
to But I like the Prime crew overall.
Speaker 1: They were really good.
Speaker 2: Lake's good. Ye setups grade, Rooks grade. They do a
great job.
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that because they all love zoobots.
Speaker 3: Absolutely your favorite centers, favorite center Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was watching my guy Jovann Booja last night give
the Lakers side of things. He's covered does coverage for them,
and he's really good with this analysis and was just
talking about how familiar. Yeah, there was a time where
he was covering the Clippers and he talked a bunch
about how what a monster eats the subots is And
I'm just like, I thought about grabbing that clip and
posting it today, like this is how everybody else feels
about it beats to sup bots when they're talking actual ball.
It's the blowback of the inside the NBA crew where
you're seeing the NBC crew and the Amazon Prime guys
actually celebrate the game talkball talk, Xes and o's and
Adam Silver actually during I think the NBA Cup Final
went on there with the Amazon Prime guys and was like,
it's great to hear you guys talk about basketball. And
it definitely felt like Adam Silver was throwing shade at
Chuck Ernie and the guys.
Speaker 1: Well he just said too, they've only been on.
Speaker 3: TV for forty years.
Speaker 1: It's well, people don't want to hear and like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: This won't even get to hear what Charles said.
Speaker 3: This is what people want to hear Charles right now.
So he might need a minute.
Speaker 2: See that's something Shack would do, Like he'd punch Chuck
and slap each other. That's like us here with T
and T guys with the Clippers stream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it like the TNT thing.
It's it's fine for entertainment, but it does. I do
just wish that it was balanced with some more.
Speaker 2: Talk as well, I've just I've given up on that
from them. Yeah, and it's fine if that is, you know,
their niche or whatever, and it is entertaining. They're really funny. Unfortunately,
nobody's learned anything ever about basketball talking listening to them
talk when Shaq's out there saying.
Speaker 3: You forgot about that bull.
Speaker 2: Bull's the same as Wemby and all these dumb ass
things like I'm sorry, but they don't watch games. They
self admittedly don't watch games, and they just want to
do the simplest thing, which is bag on the NBA,
which I think has done some maybe irreparable damage to
the brand over the years because a lot of people
think if they're saying it, they have credibility. They played
the game.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm the most worried about. You know
why I watched basketball. I'm concerned with the bottom line
for the NBA. Forget about the championships, forget about everything else.
I want to know, are the governors being enriched.
Speaker 2: I don't care about that part, but I don't love
the perception of the NBA that the game is worse
or stuff like that, which has a lot of old heads. Yeah,
they throw red meat to the old heads shaking their
physic clouds and thinking it was so much better, and
then you actually watch like a forty eight minute game
and not just highlights from the nineties, and you're like, yeah,
it's definitely better now, guys, trust.
Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, it's a way better looking gain.
Speaker 2: It is like that. Yah, Brucelli is one of those
guys that I've been looking at. I'll throw another guy
out there if Chuck ever comes back.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: Bruscelli has had a horrific season with New York and
it's the n Season Tournament Champion curse where their season
has fallen off a cliff with the Knicks ever since
they won.
Speaker 3: I only thought that was kind of a weird sign
fit wise for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his three point shooting had to hold up, and uh,
I don't think it has Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Just create space and issues for sure, Like I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, uh, and I like, you know, they brought it.
He's only shooting thirty percent from the outside this year.
He's shooting thirty eight percent last year. I like Mike Brown,
but there's been a lot of turmoil him Cat now
that and that goes back to training camp or it
just seemed like Kat was not overly enthusiastic about them
switching out the head coach and bringing in Mike Brown. Yeah,
so he could. He's a guy that could be available,
who unfortunately it looks like right now they bought high on,
although they've got him for a reasonable contract. But Yaboucelli's
interesting to me. I think that's something to monitor at
least I don't obviously it would only work if the
Clippers were already trading John Collins, because yeah, he's that
type of archetype we were talking about could they get
if it's not John Collins' past offseason? Is Yah Boucelli
the guy you could bring in And he had such
a good year last year with Philadelphia, but it's gone
the other way now.
Speaker 3: And looked great on the international stage.
Speaker 2: He did dunked on Lebron and I bet wherever he
ends up going like, the numbers turn around pretty quickly.
I mean, we're talking about guy. He's getting nine minutes
per game, he's averaging three points per game. He was
fantastic last year in Philadelphia, playing heavy minutes, and I
know they had a lot of injuries so it led
to him getting more minutes. But he had a great
year with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he probably thought he was gonna have a
bigger role than nine minutes.
Speaker 2: A little bit, you would think. And he is somebody
that can play the five and power forward a little bit.
But see, everybody doesn't see the vision like this guy
Budinski over here. Y'abusili is cool, but he's been duky lately.
Do you think he just like fell off a cliff?
Was his play or is it just a bad fit
there in New York? Like he hasn't had some major injury.
It's that type of things. I don't give up on
guys like that. I have heard he's gained a little
bit of weight. I did hear that.
Speaker 3: There were also some reports that he was mainly staying
in the NBA for the insurance.
Speaker 2: So that's real.
Speaker 3: Because once you're in the league a certain amount of years,
like your health insurance is covered for life through the
player's association, and then x amount of years and your
family is covered as well.
Speaker 2: Makes sense. I get it as a reason.
Speaker 3: For not just playing a bigger role internationally.
Speaker 2: I just I wouldn't give up on them. And somebody's
likely to trade for him, and he's likely to turn
things around, all right. We got anything else we need
to hit on here big will, because I don't think
Chuck's coming back.
Speaker 3: I think that'll do it for this one.
Speaker 2: Are we able to end the stream or just Chuck
have to get his internet back on to officially end
it since he started the stream?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I hope we.
Speaker 2: Can if we both just leave. Are they just gonna
be stuck in the void, just watching the background for
our show.
Speaker 3: If that happens, Chat among yourselves.
Speaker 2: Chat you can keep going. We got a piece out here.
Speaker 3: But thank everybody for tuning in. If you're listening to
this on audio, you missed this.
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we appreciate you. Charles is coming back in Charles.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, We're gonna have Robert flaub on my stream.
It's gonna be powered by whatever. The opposite of my
technology is. No, let's go clips. Let's get another dub
And I don't know. I hope Kawhi is healthy. I
think he's gonna be off the injury report completely. Let's
just be hyped on that. There we go, all right
bye everybody,