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Speaker 3: Where you are.
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Speaker 2: yes Victoria, and how thing as a whole has been
Speaker 2: raining since last night and the weather is changing. I
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Speaker 2: Without any further you, ladies and gentlemen, please give me
Speaker 2: a chance to welcome the one, the only David West.
Speaker 3: Mess to West, how you doing.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great today, thank you. It's a slightly cold
Speaker 4: in Johannesburg and as you say, a bit wet, but
Speaker 4: all is good.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, Dave, I have something before I even ask
Speaker 2: you to introduce yourself, I think you should host this
Speaker 2: show with me because you've got the right tone.
Speaker 5: We can make a deal afterwards, I would say.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: I tried to introduce you, but I don't think I
Speaker 2: did age just this to you. Would you mind be
Speaker 2: introducing yourself to our audience, to them who David West is?
Speaker 3: What is it that you do? And how did you
Speaker 3: stumble upon both?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Sorry, Yeah, my neigh is Davis.
Speaker 4: I wear a number of hats in life, and because
Speaker 4: I've been around in life, I'm heading to my senior years,
Speaker 4: married two kids. I wear three hats. I'm a minister
Speaker 4: or pastor of the church on a INNGO leader. We
Speaker 4: run an NGO to help displaced people, getting people off
Speaker 4: the streets, doing all sorts of that. That's a whole
Speaker 4: lot of stuff we do. And I'm also a professional
Speaker 4: Integra life coach and facilitator. And what I'm not is
Speaker 4: I'm not a professional golfer, but oh boy, do I
Speaker 4: love golf.
Speaker 2: I like how you say watch You're not like you're
Speaker 2: not a professional golfer, but at the same time you
Speaker 2: love the spot. Oh yes, And speaking about golf, I mean,
Speaker 2: as you said, you're approaching your senior yes, and with
Speaker 2: so many tasks that you're busy with in a day life,
Speaker 2: when do you start saying golf And how do you
Speaker 2: actually manage and make sure that you continue to play
Speaker 2: golf with all the possibilities that you have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I go golf. I mean I've always
Speaker 4: known about the game. I always loved the game. I
Speaker 4: was brought up as a child my father played regularly.
Speaker 4: But only about twenty five years ago, I was actually
Speaker 4: on a long leave trip in Australia. Some mates took
Speaker 4: me playing golf with them on a holiday and I thought,
Speaker 4: I love this and I couldn't wait to get back
Speaker 4: to South Africa to play in better weather and better
Speaker 4: courses in Australia. But anyway, I got back and here
Speaker 4: I am, and I just started playing the game. I
Speaker 4: regalarly try to get a game, and yeah, I went
Speaker 4: for some coaching and golf's got this thing.
Speaker 5: I don't think you can really like golf.
Speaker 4: I think you actually fall in love with it and
Speaker 4: it just becomes really a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: And you know, if anything that I always share with,
Speaker 2: whether my audience or my comrades, I would, let's say,
Speaker 2: if there's something about the spot, it's a love and
Speaker 2: hate relationship because you can go fully fred onto the
Speaker 2: course saying you know what, today, I'm going to knock
Speaker 2: the lads out of this court. Then it does opposite,
Speaker 2: and then after you're done with your eighteen holes, you
Speaker 2: sit and you reflect and you're like, I had a
Speaker 2: lot of fun, and you give yourself a pat on
Speaker 2: the back to say I did well today.
Speaker 4: Yes, no, absolutely, you say it's a love and hate game.
Speaker 4: I also think it's a game that does two things
Speaker 4: to you. It humbles you and humiliates you. And it
Speaker 4: can do that at the same time.
Speaker 5: But you're right.
Speaker 4: When you finish through all the humiliation and the humbling,
Speaker 4: you just sit back and you think that was just
Speaker 4: a lovely way to spend the last four hours.
Speaker 2: Now they want to find out from you. I mean
Speaker 2: we met on the golf course and at tushi. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the buddy challenge golf day, right, But apart from
Speaker 2: from that particular both day, how often do you try
Speaker 2: to play golf in a week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I try to play probably one and a half times,
Speaker 4: so I generally play a full eighteen, normally on a
Speaker 4: Friday morning because I've got time then, and then on
Speaker 4: a Saturday afternoon, I'll try and get into nine sometimes eighteen.
Speaker 4: So definitely more than once a week would be, which
Speaker 4: is what I try.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, And I mean if you're saying you're playing
Speaker 2: modern once a week, then it means that there's something
Speaker 2: that's that you're doing bright on the golf course, because
Speaker 2: some of us we're like, Okay, I'm going to play today,
Speaker 2: and then we get disappointed with the results and we're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's spend a week or so at the river Badge.
Speaker 4: I've just been reading a book by I think a
Speaker 4: psychologist who deals with golf, and he says, golf is
Speaker 4: not a name and is not a game of perfect
Speaker 4: It's a really good book. Actually, you've got to you've
Speaker 4: got to just you've got to live with the fact that, hey,
Speaker 4: it's going to disappoint you. But even that it's just
Speaker 4: stretching and those good shots bring you back. So so
Speaker 4: you play that one good shot and you can't get
Speaker 4: way to get back to play to play the next good.
Speaker 3: I'd represent.
Speaker 2: And then speaking of which I mean, one thing about
Speaker 2: golf that I really like is the networking aspect or
Speaker 2: the socializing aspect of it. And now you mentioned that
Speaker 2: you try to play on Fridays as much as you can.
Speaker 2: Do you do you play with the same people or
Speaker 2: do you just sometimes pitch up at the course and
Speaker 2: see of people that you don't even know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, combination of both. One of the great beauties that
Speaker 4: I found in golf is the amount of people you
Speaker 4: meet from so many different aspects of South African society,
Speaker 4: and it's just you know, so yes, I've tended to
Speaker 4: there are times and I just pitch and look for
Speaker 4: a game, and I've never met somebody on the golf
Speaker 4: course who afterwards didn't think to myself that was really
Speaker 4: really a you know, it was great. It was great meeting,
Speaker 4: that was catching up chatting. So I combination unfortunate. My
Speaker 4: wife plays a little bit so now and then we'll
Speaker 4: play nine holes. I do have some friends, but friends
Speaker 4: I've met on the golf course mostly and I do
Speaker 4: just like to pitch sometimes and just it's a great
Speaker 4: place to networking and socializing and you know, meeting new people,
Speaker 4: which I think in our country, I think somebody wants
Speaker 4: called the rainbow diverse country. It's so great meeting people
Speaker 4: from so many different aspects of our society. And golf
Speaker 4: just office it's more than just a game.
Speaker 2: Now, let's reflect back on what happened last week. I mean,
Speaker 2: as I said, that's where I met you at the
Speaker 2: Tushi Golf Day. So how did you find out about
Speaker 2: the Tushi Golf Day and to you personally, what was
Speaker 2: it all about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's interesting when I arrived at the
Speaker 4: golf club where we played a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: to play probably my first game yet oh no, no,
Speaker 4: Actually I came to watch a competition yet with a
Speaker 4: Sunshine competition, and I was just standing watching and a
Speaker 4: guy and he's caught. I tried to chatting to him
Speaker 4: as you do around the golf yes, and he said, hey,
Speaker 4: have a drink with me, and we sat chatting and
Speaker 4: then he told me he organizes this golf there, that's
Speaker 4: Q himself and just chatting and I said that sounds
Speaker 4: great and he said, no, you should join us, and
Speaker 4: basically he put me on the list. So we're just
Speaker 4: a meet outside watching a golf game.
Speaker 2: Really, I really like that because often enough, I mean,
Speaker 2: when people go to the golf course, we just go
Speaker 2: to that to handle their own business as sciety, I
Speaker 2: want to play, or I just want to go there
Speaker 2: and have some coffee or lunch with a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: So I mean to actually meet people in that sense,
Speaker 2: and they extend them to say, please join us, you
Speaker 2: have time, this is what we will be doing, and
Speaker 2: then from there, I think that's how relationships are being built.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a regular experience that most offers
Speaker 4: will speak of how relationships are built, and how you
Speaker 4: just have these chance meetings if you like, around the
Speaker 4: golf courst and the club.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: And then overall, I won't even ask you about your school.
Speaker 2: I think that's a very repair. So overall, how was
Speaker 2: the day for you? Because I think in the morning
Speaker 2: it was very cloudy, started getting a bit chilly, and
Speaker 2: then later when the sun came out, then the opposite
Speaker 2: happened again, so the course was very wet. From my understanding,
Speaker 2: when I looked at the fairly. A lot of people
Speaker 2: were digging holes instead of just a small divid and
Speaker 2: then the greens were fast on the day. I just
Speaker 2: want to find out your experience of dan and golf
Speaker 2: and country estate last week.
Speaker 3: How was it for you?
Speaker 4: You know, I have to say the course was in
Speaker 4: Great Neck, but it was wet, and especially when you're
Speaker 4: in the rough, you know, getting out of the mud.
Speaker 5: Added a add a bit of a yeah, but delight.
Speaker 4: The bunkers were difficult because they were wet under underneath,
Speaker 4: but overall good, good, good condition. But as you said, Juthur,
Speaker 4: greens were fast.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I think I three butted more than once, but then
Speaker 4: I don't remember that because I try to forget those
Speaker 4: bad moments.
Speaker 5: But but I met the people I played with.
Speaker 4: I had not met them before, and so that was
Speaker 4: part of the joy of playing eighteen holes with people
Speaker 4: I had not met before.
Speaker 5: And yeah, we had a great time.
Speaker 4: And the course was in Great Neck in spite of
Speaker 4: the rain and in spite of you know, the conditions
Speaker 4: of the day. The course was in Great Neck. I'm
Speaker 4: sure the conditions were heavy and impacted the left of
Speaker 4: my drive, but that's my excuse me Sticking to it.
Speaker 2: But if anything, I have to say, I know, with
Speaker 2: those kind of golf days, they've got a price called
Speaker 2: the long stage. So if anything, I'm so happy that
Speaker 2: you didn't win the title because the price is not
Speaker 2: so attractive. People call it mainly so whoever wanted, I
Speaker 2: have to say congratulations to them, And I think it's
Speaker 2: just a way to help one build the carriage to
Speaker 2: continue to improve on a regular basis.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well the person who got the price the longest day
Speaker 4: got a standing ovation as he which was a round
Speaker 4: of piet paper.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's part of the fun of golf, isn't it.
Speaker 2: But I want to find it from you, Dave.
Speaker 3: Overall, when you play right.
Speaker 2: How important is your score when it comes to the
Speaker 2: level of enjoyment that you actually experience on the particular day.
Speaker 2: Is it if I'm having a well, if I'm not
Speaker 2: playing as good as I would wish to or I
Speaker 2: would want to, the holy will be spoiled. Or is
Speaker 2: it just one of those things to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm not a professional, I'm here to have fun, I'm
Speaker 2: yet to network, and then you just get on with
Speaker 2: your day.
Speaker 4: I think one's going to have that kind of attitude
Speaker 4: you know, of course, when you hit a bad shot,
Speaker 4: you're a bit annoyed with yourself because you are playing
Speaker 4: against yourself all the time.
Speaker 5: But in the end, ultimately you arrived to play and
Speaker 5: to enjoy and to just you want to enjoy the game,
Speaker 5: you want to relax, and you're gonna have bad shots.
Speaker 5: We're not professionals, and you're going to have a lot
Speaker 5: of bad shots. And I think it's just I'm enjoying
Speaker 5: and and I think I'm in golf.
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna have a sense of humor. I
Speaker 4: think you're to be able to love at yourself. You know,
Speaker 4: you play that terrible shot, have a good laugh and
Speaker 4: and move on. So over all, the experience of golf
Speaker 4: is more than just how many shots you hit to
Speaker 4: get into the hole. The experience is much bigger and
Speaker 4: much much much nicer than just that.
Speaker 5: Although the good shots, the good shots are enjoyable.
Speaker 2: No, definitely, you know, I'm saying to somebody there there
Speaker 2: to say, you know that the way it feels so
Speaker 2: good when you hear in contact with the ball, whether
Speaker 2: it be with uh about what it'd be with your
Speaker 2: eyes when you hear that connection was one hundred percent
Speaker 2: spot on. It just does something to your your body
Speaker 2: as a whole, your mind releases hormones of peace, and
Speaker 2: you know you feel alive afterwards.
Speaker 5: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Those good shots and the important thing in golf, I
Speaker 4: think is not remember the bad shots, but remember the
Speaker 4: good shots.
Speaker 5: And and they do.
Speaker 4: And you know you when you play that good shot,
Speaker 4: you don't need to look. You know you've played a
Speaker 4: good shot. The feeling is just so beautiful. You don't
Speaker 4: even need you don't need to look where the balls going,
Speaker 4: you know it.
Speaker 2: You just have to go forward and then just make
Speaker 2: sure that when you when you when you get to
Speaker 2: the green, you have to look around, and then when
Speaker 2: you route, you'll find something inside that that's.
Speaker 5: Me, that's my shot.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh lovely, they've How regularly or how often
Speaker 2: do you actually play in weather competitions or golf days
Speaker 2: or is it just a metad of saying when when
Speaker 2: you have time or if you're invited, how often do
Speaker 2: you try to play in competitions?
Speaker 4: I don't play many competitions and it's not something I
Speaker 4: work towards, I guess, but when I'm invited, and then
Speaker 4: mostly charity days, but on the odd occasion at the
Speaker 4: club competition, you know it, there's you know, a Saturday
Speaker 4: competition or a Wednesday and I'm available. I might join
Speaker 4: a couple of guys and play. But it's not the
Speaker 4: biggest thing for me, the competitions. But I do enjoy
Speaker 4: a good golf. Then I do enjoy some of the
Speaker 4: charity games, but it's not no, mostly I'm playing.
Speaker 2: Most of it is social, yeah, And I mean speaking
Speaker 2: of playing a lot of social golf on your end
Speaker 2: rather than trying to be more on the competitive side.
Speaker 2: I just want to get an idea of your your
Speaker 2: definition of what you regard as social golf and what
Speaker 2: kind of a setting would you regard as the most
Speaker 2: suitable for social golf.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think social golf is just you know, having
Speaker 4: a good time with friends and laughing at each other
Speaker 4: and enjoying each other's company on the golf course.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: And yeah, sometimes you know, not being I mean, we're
Speaker 4: always competitive. I don't think I don't think that any
Speaker 4: of us go out and a golf course not being competitive.
Speaker 4: You do want to hit the good shot, you you
Speaker 4: do want to you know, play well and enjoy that,
Speaker 4: but be able to just at the same time, you know,
Speaker 4: enjoy those others who with you and know just like you,
Speaker 4: they're going to also play their bad shots and their
Speaker 4: good shots and encourage you know, I think not just
Speaker 4: focusing on yourself, but when somebody's a good shot, encouraging
Speaker 4: them and good shot or somebody it's a bad shot.
Speaker 4: Sometimes actually sometimes it's better just to keep quiet and away.
Speaker 5: And not say anything to them.
Speaker 2: Very true, because you know the thing about golf is
Speaker 2: that it will push you to your limits. You you
Speaker 2: get to explore a different side of your site, and
Speaker 2: if you can't manage yourself enough or your emotions, you
Speaker 2: end up doing or saying all the wrong things that
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes golf is very much your your true self can
Speaker 4: be is there all the time, and it is managements.
Speaker 4: In fact, golf is a game of lessons. You're learning
Speaker 4: life lessons. It's not just a game or a sport.
Speaker 4: There are because you're competing, I guess against yourself and
Speaker 4: you're socializing. There's so much going on that there's some
Speaker 4: there are some great life lessons that I think one
Speaker 4: learns on the golf course.
Speaker 5: Some of them your rather not.
Speaker 2: There, No, I will agree with you on that one.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying. You know, it will push you
Speaker 2: to explore different sides of yourself and afterwards you'll be
Speaker 2: you'll even be shocked.
Speaker 3: And I actually.
Speaker 2: Notice this with myself because usually when I'm on when
Speaker 2: I'm on the golf course, someone taking footage, video footage,
Speaker 2: and they will put a mic on me. And whenever
Speaker 2: I watch those videos, I say to myself, who is
Speaker 2: this guy?
Speaker 3: And what happened to me?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I mean it is. It is very much
Speaker 4: like that, and it does sometimes it's like is that
Speaker 4: really me? Where did that come from?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You's pushing you, and it's challenging you, and it's it's
Speaker 4: at working you all the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and I mean let's not just focus on the
Speaker 2: bed side of God.
Speaker 3: I mean only there's those.
Speaker 2: Memorable events that happen throughout the day when you're playing golf.
Speaker 2: I mean it's four and a half hours they just
Speaker 2: spend on a golf course with numerous.
Speaker 3: People, and you get to meet people.
Speaker 2: But I mean there's also those highlight shots where you
Speaker 2: would see back and be like, is this really me
Speaker 2: doing this?
Speaker 3: What did I do? Right?
Speaker 2: And how do I continue doing that? Have you experienced
Speaker 2: such things?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Big time? You never mind.
Speaker 4: My biggest frustration with golf sometimes is it's not the
Speaker 4: bad shots. But yeah, my biggest frustration is the good shots,
Speaker 4: because I say.
Speaker 5: How did you do that? And why didn't you do
Speaker 5: it before?
Speaker 4: Those Those good shots are just you know, that's what
Speaker 4: keeps you going in the game as well, and they're
Speaker 4: always there, and if you think about it, there were
Speaker 4: a lot of them, and they're just the joy and
Speaker 4: and and you can think, how did I? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: you g did I do that?
Speaker 3: And yeah?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I just want to ask you.
Speaker 2: I mean, like we're saying, there's the good, there's the
Speaker 2: bad when it comes to golf, and we we'd rather
Speaker 2: stick to the good. I personally would rather stick to
Speaker 2: the good because the best out of it is that
Speaker 2: I've seen people break clubs. I've seen people throw back
Speaker 2: in that in water. Some people actually crash the golf cuts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you see that all the time. It's a sad
Speaker 5: pot but I suppose that's sport. But yes, you do
Speaker 5: see that.
Speaker 4: But but that's those The good things override those and
Speaker 4: much better than those incidents, but they do happen and
Speaker 4: and you know, you learn self control. That's going to
Speaker 4: be one of the key reasons to learn on the
Speaker 4: golf course. And that's that's that's yeah. But but the
Speaker 4: good is over overrides those experiences. And yeah, we're all
Speaker 4: every one of us as a story when we played
Speaker 4: a golf game and we leave afterwards and we think
Speaker 4: we're slightly embarrassed with an incident or something we said
Speaker 4: or something we did.
Speaker 5: We all have that story.
Speaker 2: And then speaking of which I mean like like, I like,
Speaker 2: I like. We've been saying obviously about social socializing and
Speaker 2: networking and that you meet new people and all that.
Speaker 3: Are there any.
Speaker 2: Specific traits or characteristics that you would say, ah, well fine,
Speaker 2: an ideal group or and I did golf part not
Speaker 2: to play with.
Speaker 3: Are there any.
Speaker 2: Particular traits that you've seen what this is how I
Speaker 2: would envision or how to a perfect golf partner or
Speaker 2: a golf group there to associate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, must be surely if they play worse than me.
Speaker 3: No, I'm joking, that's a good one. I'm actually you're
Speaker 3: just start doing it.
Speaker 4: No, No, I think, yeah, I think, I'm I think
Speaker 4: when you're playing together and you're a full ball. You
Speaker 4: really want to play with people that are what's the word.
Speaker 4: If they encouraging, They they've got a good sense of humor.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, it's stopped playing with somebody who's always
Speaker 4: you know, angry or never you know, perfocused on themselves
Speaker 4: and oh, you know those incidents stuff. But generally, most
Speaker 4: people are enjoying your company and you're enjoying their company.
Speaker 4: So's people you can just relax with. Because golf is
Speaker 4: a relaxation and so much of it is in the mind.
Speaker 4: So you want to play people who are relaxing, not
Speaker 4: over tense. Of course, we're all competitive, but that you
Speaker 4: can relax with them. I think that's it.
Speaker 2: And I mean I will just echo what you're saying,
Speaker 2: because if there's anything it's very coning golf is that
Speaker 2: you just go to the golf course. They will pay
Speaker 2: you up with someone that you don't even know. But
Speaker 2: like you're saying, if that passion creates a conducive environment
Speaker 2: and a more released environment, then the game itself becomes
Speaker 2: more enjoyable because you guys are able to have those
Speaker 2: loose moments where you can just talk about any other
Speaker 2: thing apart from what's really frustrating. You in front of you,
Speaker 2: which is actually golf. So I will echo what you're
Speaker 2: saying to say, as long as the individual or the
Speaker 2: group itself has a sense of humor and they able
Speaker 2: to create that comfortable environment for you as as an individual,
Speaker 2: those are the key things for me personally.
Speaker 5: No, I agree on one.
Speaker 4: You know, I think one you's going to realize that
Speaker 4: your your sort of I don't know if the word
Speaker 4: the right word is behavior, that your attitude on that
Speaker 4: golf course impacts the rest of the people you're playing with.
Speaker 3: That's true, That's very very true.
Speaker 2: Now, apart from from golf, Dave, do you do you
Speaker 2: play any other or do you participate in any other
Speaker 2: social events or social sports?
Speaker 5: No, I'm not really.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I'm a big fan of football soccer,
Speaker 4: so I might just kick a ball around socially, but
Speaker 4: very rarely. I do train once a week with in
Speaker 4: muay Thai, which is you know, which is a nice
Speaker 4: just to keep me fit. Yeah, flexible at my age
Speaker 4: of course. Yeah, I've got to stay flexible because it's
Speaker 4: good on the golf course to be you know, fitable.
Speaker 2: Sure, you know that those are totally opposite world's golf
Speaker 2: and multai.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, totally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the muti, you know, with the moti also,
Speaker 4: it also is a mind thing in many ways, like
Speaker 4: I suppose many sports are, but muytai also it keeps
Speaker 4: you fit. I just feel, you know, I like to
Speaker 4: walk eighteen holes and I do feel if I'm feeling
Speaker 4: fitter and stuff, I enjoy the game better. So so
Speaker 4: muytai does also help to keep me fit and core muscles.
Speaker 4: The reason I do more muyta is to keep my
Speaker 4: core muscles. Cor muscles are good on the golf course,
Speaker 4: so so yeah, so discipline it helps me as well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it does sound the opposite, but it does
Speaker 4: help in the general life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's that's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Like you know, you know, people wouldn't actually think that, okay,
Speaker 2: one would play such. People would regard golf as a
Speaker 2: very calm, boring, slow page sport. And then when you
Speaker 2: look at multai, obviously that's where adrenaline is very high
Speaker 2: and uh, I mean you do those round kicks and
Speaker 2: you do all the hectic uh.
Speaker 3: Movements.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I mean, I just want to find
Speaker 2: out that obviously in Multa as well, like you said,
Speaker 2: it's a very mental spot where you have to be
Speaker 2: in control of the emotions number one, which I believe
Speaker 2: that if you're not in control of your emotions, then
Speaker 2: you lose, you lose focused in every single aspect of life.
Speaker 2: I believe that being in control of yourself your mind
Speaker 2: is a very key thing. And if if I am
Speaker 2: just to make a comparison between muatai and God from
Speaker 2: the outside, I've never done mutai. I'm scared of losing
Speaker 2: my teeth or breaking a few it. But I'd say
Speaker 2: that that's one of the things that comes out very
Speaker 2: strongly to say it's a it's a mental thing.
Speaker 3: You need to be mentally.
Speaker 2: Fit, you need to be aware of your environment as
Speaker 2: a whole.
Speaker 5: I would totally agree there.
Speaker 4: I mean, looked, I don't do muytai as I don't
Speaker 4: do it as as a thing too for competitive fighting.
Speaker 4: I do it for training and fitness and mind. Your
Speaker 4: mind is so important in life, and Gold shows you that,
Speaker 4: and in sport the mind is so key, and muay
Speaker 4: thai is just a very good for self discipline.
Speaker 5: And and and the mind.
Speaker 4: And look, I think the fitter you are, not that
Speaker 4: I am a super fit guy, not that I'm a
Speaker 4: I'm gonna but just generally feeling happy in yourself makes
Speaker 4: sport easier and makes golf easier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, all right.
Speaker 2: Dave, we've reached the halfway point of our show. Can
Speaker 2: we just quickly go for a two minute break. Let's
Speaker 2: refill our glass of water. My mouth is getting dry
Speaker 2: because I'm having so much fun and I want to
Speaker 2: understand more about Thai.
Speaker 3: What wanted you to actually do mo Thi?
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I would say stick to.
Speaker 5: Can you I can hear you? Yeah? Sorry we went.
Speaker 5: I don't know what happened A yeah.
Speaker 3: No problem.
Speaker 2: I was just saying that, can we just go for
Speaker 2: a two minute break, and then when we come back,
Speaker 2: we're going to go deeper into the conversation because I'm
Speaker 2: very curious to understand.
Speaker 3: Why the move to Muay Thai.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you just start doing more golf less others?
Speaker 2: I'll just kidding, but yeah, I think let's go for
Speaker 2: a break, and then when we get back, we'll with
Speaker 2: our best a couple of well a lot more other
Speaker 2: questions that I would l us to discuss.
Speaker 5: Brilliant I'll see in a moment, oh.
Speaker 3: Right there.
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Speaker 1: In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
Speaker 1: and banker collide, Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green, the balls, and
Speaker 1: t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every swing
Speaker 1: tells the story and every part has its potline. Get
Speaker 1: ready to step onto the last greens and dive into
Speaker 1: the world up, diveds drives and delightful better.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, please thank you for staying
Speaker 2: tuned in. As you've heard the first segment that our
Speaker 2: show today is on fire. We are learned by David Wells,
Speaker 2: who is a social golfer and who is a professional
Speaker 2: multime I'm I'm just playing. It's not a professional maritime boxer, but.
Speaker 3: None the less.
Speaker 2: If there's something that Dave has shared with us in
Speaker 2: the first episode is that a sense of humor is
Speaker 2: very important and making sure that your mentally fit is
Speaker 2: very important when it comes to any aspect of your life.
Speaker 2: So we will be digging deeper into our conversation along
Speaker 2: with Dave and find out what has been happening in
Speaker 2: his game, particularly the West shots or the West experiences
Speaker 2: He's head on the golf course, the most memorable experience
Speaker 2: that is having the golf course and anything else that
Speaker 2: will put him under the spotlight.
Speaker 3: Dave, are you still with me? There?
Speaker 5: I'm right there, thank you.
Speaker 3: Right same now, Dave. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I I didn't mean to call a lot of attention
Speaker 2: to you, but I said that you are a professional
Speaker 2: way just in case people start making assumptions and they
Speaker 2: start up working you on the streets.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, So I just want to find out.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you said that there's a there's so
Speaker 2: many things that you you're actually busy with on your
Speaker 2: data life, from being part of the ministry to being
Speaker 2: part of you mentioned as a charity, yeah, and people
Speaker 2: peoples people yeah, yeah, and obviously a lot of coach. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean these are very I think these are very
Speaker 2: demanding activities that you do. And uh, I just have
Speaker 2: to take my head off to you to say that
Speaker 2: the model love that usual to people the moment the
Speaker 2: love people shoot you, and that's exactly what you're doing
Speaker 2: with your roles in these three different aspects. Now, if
Speaker 2: anything that I want to find out from you, I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: life coach. Right, let's talk about just in brief life coach.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people out there always say.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm a life coach and all of those.
Speaker 2: Things, but I believe the definition would relate more to
Speaker 2: the individual who's in the role itself and the context
Speaker 2: thereof So you you as a life coach, if you
Speaker 2: were to take that and take golf, how how how
Speaker 2: how old were do you think they actually come together
Speaker 2: these two different aspects.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you see, life coaching is.
Speaker 4: I mean is quite I don't want to say complex,
Speaker 4: but life coaching is a very helpful tool in understanding yourself,
Speaker 4: observe yourself, your behaviors, and life coaching is a way
Speaker 4: to open up new possibilities for your own life and
Speaker 4: new things. And there's always great opportunities and so certainly
Speaker 4: related to to golf. If you like, we were always
Speaker 4: wanting to grow, we're always wanting to golf teach of
Speaker 4: your lessons about yourself. How do you deal with those
Speaker 4: lessons and how how can you use those lessons to
Speaker 4: open up new opportunities? And then golf offers opportunities of
Speaker 4: growth in many ways. There's so many different aspects to golf.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of them, there's a lot of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of connections and and just yeah, because
Speaker 4: you already you're on the golf course. As I said before,
Speaker 4: you're not only socializing and meeting with people, you are
Speaker 4: dealing with yourself. You're competing with yourself, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're observing certain behaviors in yourself which can be very
Speaker 4: good for you or very helpful to your growth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I just wanted to to have
Speaker 2: a look at that to say, Okay, I mean these
Speaker 2: are two complex world Obviously one making you be more
Speaker 2: engaged with people, and obviously golf is just there for
Speaker 2: you to relax and unwind. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: it puts you in a space that requires certain people
Speaker 2: skills and you can also learn a lot from the
Speaker 2: people that you actually interact with.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's basically that.
Speaker 2: And then now I'm like I said with the second segment,
Speaker 2: I like putting people on the spot, and my apologies
Speaker 2: putting you on the spot, but you know, I'm going
Speaker 2: to ask you a question. In your ministry, is there
Speaker 2: are office there? And if there are, how many of
Speaker 2: them have you actually challenged? And uh came out victorious?
Speaker 5: What Sorry I missed that question in the beginning.
Speaker 3: Are they what they're golfers in your ministry? Yes? Have
Speaker 3: you challenged a round of golf?
Speaker 5: Yes, very much. There's quite a few actually. But he
Speaker 5: has the.
Speaker 4: Challenge because when I play with somebody who I've met
Speaker 4: in the church or in the ministry, they know they
Speaker 4: know who I am, so they know that I'm a pastor.
Speaker 4: You know, when people know you are pastor on the
Speaker 4: golf course, they're looking at you. They're expecting a certain
Speaker 4: behavior which is not always possible to produce on the course.
Speaker 4: That's odd word or that, you know, frustration with yourself.
Speaker 4: So I have to tell them, hey, if you're playing
Speaker 4: with me, you're playing with me, not with the pastor
Speaker 4: of the church.
Speaker 3: I'm not. And I think that is actually very important.
Speaker 2: So that because in essence, in every single aspect of life,
Speaker 2: people always have expectations. So I think you'd never find
Speaker 2: that upfront to say today Pasta is on the side
Speaker 2: and you're playing with Dave. Now, so whatever that happens
Speaker 2: here should be like what happens in Vegas.
Speaker 3: It must be between us.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, and of course of course yes that's right.
Speaker 4: And of course sometimes you play people as the past
Speaker 4: and they're worried about the un behavior.
Speaker 5: So I've got to relax.
Speaker 4: Him as well, say just see yourself, you don't have
Speaker 4: to perform.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say, I like that, and I like your
Speaker 2: outlook when it comes to that, to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: apart from my roles in society, I'm still myself and
Speaker 2: I still need to enjoy myself.
Speaker 3: In a way that makes sense to me when it
Speaker 3: comes to golf. One of the moments, now want to
Speaker 3: find out from you, Dave.
Speaker 2: I mean, surely you are part of certain social groups
Speaker 2: when it comes to golf. Is there any particular start
Speaker 2: of communication that you'll prefer maybe, let's say, whether it's WhatsApp,
Speaker 2: whether it's email, whether telephonically, what is your preferred mode
Speaker 2: and why is it?
Speaker 4: If I may ask, Mostly with the golf groups and
Speaker 4: stuff involved in almost all of it's what'sapp.
Speaker 5: So just I work better on what'sapp. It's easier.
Speaker 4: I just find that andy and a lot of information
Speaker 4: can be shared on what'sapp. And I don't know WhatsApp groups,
Speaker 4: you would get regular golf jokes and regular little funny
Speaker 4: things every now and then somebody in the WhatsApp group
Speaker 4: with a YouTube on on you know, somebody interesting, or
Speaker 4: somebody who's saying it's something interesting that golf.
Speaker 5: For after the Masters last week there was lots of
Speaker 5: stuff of roryback. So now what's up?
Speaker 4: A great way of communicating, just a great way of
Speaker 4: organizing a game.
Speaker 3: Awesome stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know the nice thing about golf if I
Speaker 2: can if I can just put it out there day
Speaker 2: for anyone who hasn't played golf or anyone who doesn't
Speaker 2: have much knowledge about golf, is the nice thing about
Speaker 2: golf is every single round of golf will have a
Speaker 2: different format, right, whether it's plot play, it's mass play, ips.
Speaker 5: I lost you there for a while. I think they're
Speaker 5: a bad line there for a while.
Speaker 3: All right, can you now? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I'm back, all right.
Speaker 2: So what I was basically saying is that, especially for
Speaker 2: people who haven't played golf or people who don't really
Speaker 2: understand much about golf, if there's anything that stands out
Speaker 2: with when it comes to golf compared to other sports,
Speaker 2: would be the fact that every single round golf will differ.
Speaker 3: In terms of the format.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, there's stroke play, there's mash play, there's
Speaker 2: a battle ball. So with with all with all these
Speaker 2: different formats being available, which one would you say is
Speaker 2: your most favorite?
Speaker 3: And why would you say it's your most favorite?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I enjoy the match play, I.
Speaker 4: I think I just sometimes, especially I enjoy when there's
Speaker 4: like two scores to count, and you you know, so
Speaker 4: it's not just your score, your partner score. You can
Speaker 4: encourage them, and yeah, I like playing in partnership, just
Speaker 4: not I don't. So it's not just me. I'm playing
Speaker 4: with somebody and both our scores count and or maybe
Speaker 4: all four count. So I like that kind of partnership.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that that I enjoy probably the most. And
Speaker 4: I don't like counting every shots, you know, with every
Speaker 4: shot score. So sometimes if I get a really bad
Speaker 4: score that you know it's seven for not not twelve,
Speaker 4: I don't like seeing that on my score code.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's part of the game.
Speaker 2: And you know, I always say to people the nice
Speaker 2: thing about golf is as an individual, not even as
Speaker 2: a team. As an individual, you get an opportunity to
Speaker 2: score eighteen times, where with other sports you only score
Speaker 2: that once.
Speaker 4: And listen, it's any game in the world surely where
Speaker 4: every every short counts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you you've played a lot of golf, like
Speaker 2: you mentioned about twenty five years that you've.
Speaker 3: Been playing the spot right, Yes, in.
Speaker 2: Those twenty five years, there's been good times, there's been
Speaker 2: bad times. On the top of your head, can you
Speaker 2: recall the world experience or west shot you've had a
Speaker 2: golf course?
Speaker 3: Oh, the most embarrassing actually happened.
Speaker 5: Do you want I want.
Speaker 4: There's something I have hit a tree and the balls
Speaker 4: come straight back at me and hit me hit the shoulder.
Speaker 3: God, that must have been.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was playing on a golf course once and I
Speaker 4: obviously were too hard on the ball and my driver
Speaker 4: went flying out and went further than the ball. But
Speaker 4: the worson that the driver went over the fence onto
Speaker 4: the road next to the golf course.
Speaker 2: Shoot, all right, now, yeah, that's that's a pretty scary
Speaker 2: and considering obviously the cost of the driver and the
Speaker 2: potential damage that it could have done on the road.
Speaker 5: I was so worried the car was going to drive
Speaker 5: over it.
Speaker 3: But I hope you you actually got it in good condition.
Speaker 4: Well, I had to wait for somebody because the fence
Speaker 4: was quite high. I think this was a parkview. I
Speaker 4: had to wait for somebody to walk behind and throw
Speaker 4: my golf my golf dropper back at me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that, but I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously no, it's it's it's a it's it's actually the
Speaker 2: first time I hear a story like that. I mean
Speaker 2: I've had people say, now, I've been hitting the ball,
Speaker 2: but actually throw your driver unintentionally over a fence onto
Speaker 2: a road. Yeah, that's that's something that's very special.
Speaker 5: Every golfer has a great story to.
Speaker 2: Tell, definitely, And you know when we'll we're talking about
Speaker 2: some of the most embarrassing things. I mean, I've on
Speaker 2: two occasions I've torn my paint and the first question
Speaker 2: I hear is how did you even.
Speaker 3: Get that right?
Speaker 2: Because usually with golf you just use your upper body,
Speaker 2: not your lower body. So yeah, yes, you know, if
Speaker 2: I have to tell you, on these two occasions it
Speaker 2: was similar things.
Speaker 4: So sometimes one needs a video to see that that
Speaker 4: that is good. That is twice, not only once that
Speaker 4: that that's a good story.
Speaker 2: But but the last thing is the second time it
Speaker 2: is caught on video.
Speaker 5: Are you gonna you've got to say that to me?
Speaker 2: The video is actually on now YouTube.
Speaker 3: We were just uploaded it.
Speaker 2: So it's so it's so said how it happened Because
Speaker 2: I was just moving away from the patting green, moving
Speaker 2: towards the next TA box. So whilst I'm feeling up, god,
Speaker 2: I hear someone's scream four. So I thought to myself,
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't have to and look what's happening.
Speaker 2: The best thing I could do is to quickly drop
Speaker 2: on the ground, and as I was squatching, I just
Speaker 2: had something. When I looked down, my pants were turned
Speaker 2: from knee to knee all the way around, and I
Speaker 2: saw this golf ball leanding right in front of me.
Speaker 2: So I said to myself, you know what, It's best
Speaker 2: that I told my parts. Otherwise, had I tend this
Speaker 2: thing was going streat for my head and I don't
Speaker 2: know where I would have been.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you gotta likely with the pants.
Speaker 2: So I thought to myself, you know what, let's applude it,
Speaker 2: because these are things that actually happen in the golf course,
Speaker 2: although a lot of people don't hear about them. The
Speaker 2: other day I saw I was just watching some highlights.
Speaker 2: I saw one of the pros he hit a golf
Speaker 2: shot from the fairway. That ball went straight into one
Speaker 2: of the spectators coffee cup.
Speaker 3: It's just bouncing there and then sitting there.
Speaker 2: So I just didn't, yeah, brilliant. So I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen next? Is he going to play the
Speaker 2: cup or is he going to play the golf.
Speaker 5: What is the roof the players at lise Hey.
Speaker 4: But by the way, I recently put a golf ball
Speaker 4: in the tree and it didn't fall out, It stayed
Speaker 4: in the tree.
Speaker 3: What's the lies you gotta tree? You know, golf is lovely,
Speaker 3: I have to say it. Office is beautiful, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, like like you, you've just shed your
Speaker 2: most embarrassing story. But I believe there is a counter
Speaker 2: to it to say, apart from this, something magical happened
Speaker 2: on the golf course, and uh, do mind sharing that
Speaker 2: with us?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I think the medical moments. I've had two experiences
Speaker 4: where where I've chipped the board into the hole, once
Speaker 4: over the bunker into the hole, once about twenty meters away.
Speaker 5: And you don't forget those those are magical.
Speaker 4: There are some real magical moments that come and you
Speaker 4: don't expect them.
Speaker 3: That just are.
Speaker 4: They're beautiful and we all know those long parts, we
Speaker 4: all know those chips in Yeah, so I think I
Speaker 4: think my most magical moments have been with chipping when
Speaker 4: I tipped the ball those two. But my chipping has
Speaker 4: always been my my joy moment.
Speaker 2: I think you're you're giving out a warning to anyone
Speaker 2: out there who wants to play with you to see just.
Speaker 5: My short gun, my chipping, that's my strength.
Speaker 2: So for instance, if there's a serious price involved, whenever
Speaker 2: people see you around the green, they should start shaking.
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, absolutely be warned. This is my moment. This
Speaker 5: is me.
Speaker 4: I thing that's chipping and stuff like getting around the green.
Speaker 4: It's easy to practice as well, even in your garden.
Speaker 4: So no, so we could. But yeah, no, I mean
Speaker 4: there are there are great experiences on the golf course.
Speaker 4: I mean you must have a number to share it
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's only one highlight, which I've never
Speaker 2: repeated it. But actually no, no, no, there's two, two highlights.
Speaker 2: I think the first one was an albut cross that
Speaker 2: I got and spend. I spent over five to ten
Speaker 2: minutes looking for the ball and something just said to me,
Speaker 2: just more look in the cup.
Speaker 5: That is wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was scary because I thought I had lost my
Speaker 2: ball there. It was a second second shot on a
Speaker 2: power four. I just hit it. I didn't even see
Speaker 2: where it went. And then well after that ten can
Speaker 2: you hear me, Dave?
Speaker 3: Hello, Dave?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry I lost you. There seems to be the
Speaker 4: lines up there. But there's a I mean an albatross
Speaker 4: is that? I mean, I've never got close to that.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's beautiful. That's something to remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'll never forget the moment.
Speaker 2: And uh, the other time, well, the last or let
Speaker 2: me not say the last, because I'm still playing golf.
Speaker 2: I believe there's smoke coming. But there was this other
Speaker 2: time when I was still in the beginning stages of
Speaker 2: me playing golf. So there was three hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: three hold, and I drove the entire hole. My fall
Speaker 2: on the green. But uh, that's good that came out
Speaker 2: of there. It's not to be disclosed, I think.
Speaker 4: But you know you made that comment about you know,
Speaker 4: you've still got golf to play. You know, when you
Speaker 4: play your best round, that personal best, and people say
Speaker 4: that's your best round, I think the answer is that
Speaker 4: your second best round, because the first is yet to come.
Speaker 3: I really agree with you on that.
Speaker 2: Now, by the way, thank you for sharing your stories
Speaker 2: with us. And you know, the reason I always asked
Speaker 2: this question is just to ensure our audience, or reassure
Speaker 2: them that no matter how good you are, or how
Speaker 2: bad you are, or how long you've been in the spot,
Speaker 2: there will always be uncomfortable moments, and they will be
Speaker 2: comfortable moment be moment celebration.
Speaker 3: There will be moments of skulking.
Speaker 2: So I'll actually end these stories with our audience because
Speaker 2: golf is one factual game, and the nice thing about
Speaker 2: it is that you can't even cheat yourself as a
Speaker 2: golf absolutely.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Speaking of cheating yourself, Dave, I mean, there's something about
Speaker 2: golf rules that I sometimes feel, you know what, this
Speaker 2: is too much. I don't know if that ever happens
Speaker 2: to you, where you feel like, can somebody just get
Speaker 2: rid of this particular rule? Can somebody just change these
Speaker 2: rules so that it's a bit more lenient. Have you
Speaker 2: experienced such instances where you're like, yo, this is now
Speaker 2: killing my game?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there are I guess rules are rules,
Speaker 4: but there are tough rules.
Speaker 5: They are some of the rules.
Speaker 4: You know, if you're on the fairway and it's not
Speaker 4: you don't have a great lie and sometimes you lay
Speaker 4: a place sometimes you're not, but you know, and sometimes
Speaker 4: you don't get enough.
Speaker 5: I wish they'd give me.
Speaker 4: More leniency to move the ball a bit. Bad lies
Speaker 4: changes I suppose every day on every golf course.
Speaker 5: That's the thing with the rules. But you are I guess.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm the rules of golf. I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I have to be. I have to confess I'm not
Speaker 4: very good at I don't know the rules as much
Speaker 4: as I've played for long the rules. Sometimes I have
Speaker 4: to ask quite regularly, what is the rule?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: How far am I allowed to drop or place or
Speaker 4: you know, and and things like you know, dropping the
Speaker 4: ball and now it's from your knee or something, and
Speaker 4: I think, well, why can't I just place it?
Speaker 2: I guess what the said part of but it is
Speaker 2: that even if you were to drop it from your
Speaker 2: knee and it still gets to well, it still gets
Speaker 2: a bad life. Now it's frustrating because you can't drop
Speaker 2: again exactly.
Speaker 5: And I think, come on, if I just placed it
Speaker 5: and solve so many problems. Man.
Speaker 3: Now, I just want to ask you.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you go for a round of golf,
Speaker 2: or when you go and attend either a tournament or
Speaker 2: a social golf event, there is preparation that needs to
Speaker 2: be done right. Like you said, your strong your strong
Speaker 2: strong part of.
Speaker 3: The game is you're chippy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, I just want to find out.
Speaker 2: Your overall preparation before a game. Is it a matter
Speaker 2: of saying I need to go to the driving range
Speaker 2: a couple of times, or are you Are you of
Speaker 2: the opinion that you know what, I'll just walk in
Speaker 2: if your is at half per seven, let me just
Speaker 2: get there, got up a seven cup of coffee and
Speaker 2: then just carry on. What what is your normal routine
Speaker 2: when it comes to such.
Speaker 4: No, I can't just pitch and play. I need time,
Speaker 4: just maybe more for the mind. So I patting green
Speaker 4: is really important to me. I'd like to spend a
Speaker 4: warm up on the patting green, even it's just the
Speaker 4: feel and the feel of everything of the day. I
Speaker 4: don't often do the driving range. The chipping and patting
Speaker 4: are certainly work on. So no, I can't pitch. I've
Speaker 4: got to prepare myself. I've got to be out there.
Speaker 4: I've got to I even take a little walk and
Speaker 4: do some breathing exercises. I've got to prepare myself. If
Speaker 4: I just pitch and play, No, not really. I know
Speaker 4: there are people that do that and do it well,
Speaker 4: but not for me, thank you. I need I need
Speaker 4: to more than just practicing, because I need to get
Speaker 4: my mind. I need to get my mind into it
Speaker 4: and get everything out of the mind and just be ready.
Speaker 5: Yeah, understand that.
Speaker 2: That definitely makes sense. Now, one last question a day
Speaker 2: before I let you go. I just I just need
Speaker 2: to ask you this, you know, uh, And I will
Speaker 2: make an example from of myself before I even ask
Speaker 2: you the question. So basically, what I usually do when
Speaker 2: I before a round of golf, I would buy, I'll
Speaker 2: take a bottle of water, I'll take a bottle of
Speaker 2: energy drink, and then hopefully when the tea of time
Speaker 2: is in the morning, I don't even eat, and I
Speaker 2: only eat after the entire eighteen I think that eating
Speaker 2: halfway through through the game is just putting on some
Speaker 2: weight that I won't be able to carry after the
Speaker 2: first night. So I just want to find out. I mean,
Speaker 2: people have got to snacks or people prefer setting set
Speaker 2: in food. When it comes to being on the golf course,
Speaker 2: do you have anything particular you you Actually, I cannot
Speaker 2: play a round of golf without no.
Speaker 4: I mean, I water is really important to me. So
Speaker 4: I've got at least three bottles of water. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: just I like to have a I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's just after every hole. I just like to have
Speaker 4: a bit of water.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That just helps me relax the process of that. But
Speaker 4: now I can't eat a big breakfast before. I can't
Speaker 4: eat before, and I can't eat anything, and I can't
Speaker 4: eat during the course of the game. I do like it,
Speaker 4: But even a breakfast halfway nine holes, no, I like
Speaker 4: something light. I just I just want to keep going
Speaker 4: and I don't like to feel like I've eaten too much.
Speaker 5: But I tell you what I do like. I love
Speaker 5: a few.
Speaker 4: I love when I have my breakfast at half way.
Speaker 4: How small little breakfast is Chili's. I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is, but gave me a bit of go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm actually known at.
Speaker 4: The club for and and the There's a lovely woman
Speaker 4: who on the counter there. She always puts the chili,
Speaker 4: which she knows I'm coming. She's got the CHILIESE ready.
Speaker 3: That's nice.
Speaker 2: That's very nice, because I mean, I get what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because for me, I also like Chilie. And I believe
Speaker 2: after actually eats in chilis something happens to my eyes.
Speaker 2: I think I can zoom in and my vision starts
Speaker 2: changing where I believe, you know what, I'm on fire now,
Speaker 2: and trust me, I'm literally on the fire.
Speaker 3: Because my mouth at that time it's.
Speaker 4: Burning exactly well, it energizes me, and it's burning if
Speaker 4: you see something about it. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 4: but to me the energy is important. Maybe it energizes me.
Speaker 4: But I agree the burning mouth. But I'm also I
Speaker 4: know now I've just I've got to be careful that
Speaker 4: I like. I can't drink too much except for a
Speaker 4: bit of water because any gas he drinks, I just
Speaker 4: feel blurted. That to me for your experience, So it's
Speaker 4: just eating and drinking what keeps my energy levels high.
Speaker 4: But yep, Chilie does it for me. Charlie does it
Speaker 4: for me every time.
Speaker 2: Now, I just want to find out from you, and
Speaker 2: actually I actually need to ask you for a favor.
Speaker 2: Let me put it that way, to say, all right, David,
Speaker 2: you've been playing golf twenty five years. Surely there's people
Speaker 2: that you've actually introduced into the game as well, and
Speaker 2: you've formed long lasting relationships with different individuals over the years.
Speaker 3: And my thing is, I believe in.
Speaker 2: An inclusive environment where people must experience what I experience
Speaker 2: and they must actually see things from my view as well.
Speaker 2: And my sourl saying is that I like encouraging people
Speaker 2: to get into the spot, to come and feel the environment,
Speaker 2: to come and associate with individuals or the environment.
Speaker 3: And the favor that I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Ask you is a few putting words to encourage those
Speaker 2: who are either scared to start playing or those who
Speaker 2: have been contemplating and saying nic it's not for me,
Speaker 2: it's too expensive. For all those kinds of things, what
Speaker 2: would your let's say, two sentence.
Speaker 3: Advice or give will be for them.
Speaker 4: You know, some people do think there's an expensive game.
Speaker 4: It can be expensive. That's up to you. There are
Speaker 4: places to play with your on expenses there. You don't
Speaker 4: have to play with brand new clubs. You don't have
Speaker 4: to upgrade your clubs. I'm quite happy with old clubs.
Speaker 4: So it can be. It doesn't have to be expensive.
Speaker 4: And I just think it's just we need to get
Speaker 4: out there. As you know, we become very i don't know,
Speaker 4: sometimes insulated, and we need to get there. We need
Speaker 4: to learn to relax in our society, and we need
Speaker 4: to meet diverse people. I really, and I know that
Speaker 4: sounds strange. I'm talking about golf, but gold does help
Speaker 4: you meet diverse people. And I think that's very healthy
Speaker 4: and good, and the game is just great fun, even
Speaker 4: though you won't play great games all the time.
Speaker 5: It is a lot of.
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent, I agree with you in every
Speaker 2: single aspect that you've just discussed, because, like you said,
Speaker 2: the nice thing about the golf course is diversity. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can meet people that you would never even imagine
Speaker 2: that you would meet on the golf course and you'd
Speaker 2: be very surprised to see how they actually behave outside
Speaker 2: our workspace or the offices. They just ordinary individuals just
Speaker 2: like you and I.
Speaker 3: So little awesome stuff.
Speaker 2: Now, with that being said, Dave, I just want to
Speaker 2: say a huge thank you to you for honoring this invite,
Speaker 2: for making time to actually come chat with me, and
Speaker 2: another thank you to everyone around you who's allowed you
Speaker 2: this time or who's actually afforded us this time to
Speaker 2: have a chat with you. I do understand that your
Speaker 2: schedule is quite busy, so let me just say a
Speaker 2: huge thank you, and please let's continue to grow the
Speaker 2: society or the golfing community to make sure that more
Speaker 2: and more people get involved in it and all the
Speaker 2: best with the golf. I will be seeing you in
Speaker 2: future and hopefully when they will play a round of golf.
Speaker 4: I would look forward to that. And it's been a
Speaker 4: great joy, and it's been great fun. I really enjoyed
Speaker 4: being having this art together.
Speaker 5: So thank you it was.
Speaker 4: Thank you for the privilege of being able to be
Speaker 4: with you on this program.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: If you must save yourself a lovely day fail and
Speaker 2: hopefully the weather conditions in how thing as a whole
Speaker 2: will improve. Although we know that we are heading towards winter.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna come quite already started to creep in.
Speaker 2: So please keep one, keep healthy, play golf less my time,
Speaker 2: I'm buying. I actually I actually wanted to try advertised.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 4: Okay, awesome again. I'm sorry I lost you there again again,
Speaker 4: but there we go.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, thank you, awesome stuff.
Speaker 2: So please thank you so much and have yourself a
Speaker 2: lovely day, wonderful, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right bye. Okay, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: We have reached the end of our segment today, and
Speaker 2: I have to say, what a beautiful, beautiful time that
Speaker 2: I've had that whole hour. It was full of laugh
Speaker 2: time was full of insight. And I would also like
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Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: You even heard it from Dave himself. He said that
Speaker 2: he tries to play on Fridays. So the weekend basically
Speaker 2: starts on Thursday for a lot of people, but for me,
Speaker 2: the weekend starts today. With that being said, ladies and gentlemen,
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