Speaker 1: Yo, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome to a new episode of My Canicass. I'm Cannon, Dave,
Speaker 2: I'm Greevy. On today's episode, we have a special guests,
Speaker 2: uh what's called you might as well? We got Matt on.
Speaker 2: How's it going today, Matt good Man? Are you guys
Speaker 2: doing pretty good?
Speaker 3: Doing pretty good?
Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining us, looking forward to diving in
Speaker 2: and getting to know, getting all your back history within
Speaker 2: cannabis and then uh, talk about where you're working and
Speaker 2: then the events that you're throwing, because that's that's why
Speaker 2: we wanted to bring you on, because it's we're at
Speaker 2: your Halloween one and it was pretty sweet. Looking forward
Speaker 2: to diving in more into that. But let's let's get
Speaker 2: the people know a little bit about you. What do
Speaker 2: you What got you in the cannabis? Good cannabis?
Speaker 4: Like, Uh, so I came up with brick weed, you know,
Speaker 4: back in the day, and so I understand what crap
Speaker 4: cannabis is or brick weed or whatever you want to say.
Speaker 4: I found chronic and like this has been like two
Speaker 4: thousand and three, two thousand and two something like that,
Speaker 4: and like ever since, like I was always looking for
Speaker 4: the best weed to smoke. And then it came we
Speaker 4: got caregiver. We want caregiver with a medical and eight
Speaker 4: o nine. So at that time I'm like, okay, now
Speaker 4: I got to grow the best cannabis. And so the
Speaker 4: first like I don't know how deep you want to
Speaker 4: get into it being the intro.
Speaker 3: But like deep the first three years.
Speaker 4: Maybe of myself growing weed, like from nine to twelve
Speaker 4: something like that, I would like sell a bag of
Speaker 4: my weed to buy a bag of somebody else's because
Speaker 4: it was so terrible. I had no idea. I'd never
Speaker 4: grown a plant at that point, had never grown anything.
Speaker 3: Like I feel I got a lot of it. But
Speaker 3: people think that they're just gonna get out there and
Speaker 3: grow some chronics.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it takes some strikes. Like you don't become
Speaker 5: good at something by being just good at something. I
Speaker 5: swear the best people are driven by passion like talents
Speaker 5: that's cool or whatever, But talent comes from hard work
Speaker 5: and consistency, you know what I mean. And failure, Oh,
Speaker 5: lots of failure, lots of that, lots of learning exactly.
Speaker 4: So uh, I was directed and taught by like the
Speaker 4: gross store guy too, you know, like I I had
Speaker 4: unreliable teachers that was more about the sale than the
Speaker 4: teaching of how to actually grow good ship and like
Speaker 4: back then there's like some forums and ship by like
Speaker 4: there's paranoia everywhere too, right, that was just back in
Speaker 4: the days where like if you had like five patients
Speaker 4: under your caregiver, you were like on this special list, right,
Speaker 4: like bro, like you were like everybody said, there's this
Speaker 4: list that went around, right that the cops or the
Speaker 4: state had that, like if you have remaxed out on
Speaker 4: your kid caregiver, Like what's the deal there? So there's
Speaker 4: always this paranoia. I would never look online. I would
Speaker 4: never type anything we need into my phone, and like
Speaker 4: like smartphones were like weren't like super smart yet either,
Speaker 4: you know they were I don't think I don't think
Speaker 4: Siri was out yet touch but yeah, so like it
Speaker 4: was like learning through experience at that point, and I
Speaker 4: had no idea what I was doing then, just making
Speaker 4: like incremental changes throughout and like starting to get more
Speaker 4: and more into it. And then uh so, like I
Speaker 4: started getting better on twenty twelve and I started asking
Speaker 4: with my wife and I were like, how can we
Speaker 4: make the shed bigger? You know, like we had a
Speaker 4: two lighter in there, like how can I make this
Speaker 4: thing a little bit more? And I started like kind
Speaker 4: of exploring different avenues. I didn't really know where I
Speaker 4: was going with my life. I had been playing pro
Speaker 4: poker professionally for a long time. Yeah, this was like yeah,
Speaker 4: like I did a lot of.
Speaker 3: A poker.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm like, this is the point in
Speaker 4: my life where I'm like trying to figure out where
Speaker 4: I'm going, right, Like what my direction. I'm going to school,
Speaker 4: Like I was going to be a teacher, but I
Speaker 4: couldn't pass the state test to be a teacher because
Speaker 4: I dropped out of high school with freshman year sophomore
Speaker 4: year and uh I didn't know like the geometry trigonometry
Speaker 4: questions that were on this test. I'm like, I just.
Speaker 3: Like whatever I'm going, we haven't a tea is we
Speaker 3: need more poker plays? Right, I'm sorry, No, we need
Speaker 3: more teachers.
Speaker 5: I just thought that was fun, but no, that that's
Speaker 5: super cool story. I mean, because honestly, you're going different ways.
Speaker 5: You know, you're you sounds like you're being pulled.
Speaker 4: Starting when I was starting a family, you know, I
Speaker 4: had a young daughter. I was about to have a son,
Speaker 4: and yeah, we were busy, you know, trying to try
Speaker 4: to and I'm trying to find my way and broke right,
Speaker 4: got nothing. And actually what I started my first girl with,
Speaker 4: uh the extra student loan money that you would get
Speaker 4: from school. You could get like an extra like four.
Speaker 5: Or five thousand dollars and like you guys have way
Speaker 5: too much Kountro Camray, y'all didn't even see it.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is wild, Dave made Dude, I've
Speaker 2: heard a super closet because I saw it in high times.
Speaker 2: I did Hydro and I was like, I want to
Speaker 2: grow so bad. I was living at my mom still,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's the only way I can grow?
Speaker 3: To try to get a class and drop a class?
Speaker 4: But that I got, I got. I got the debt.
Speaker 4: I got the debt, But I also got the career,
Speaker 4: actual career I was looking for out of it. So like,
Speaker 4: even though it was like a fucking one percent of
Speaker 4: the total death that I got out of it, but
Speaker 4: still like I got the true education I was looking for.
Speaker 4: Because in twenty fourteen, there was a certain growth store
Speaker 4: that was moving from Brighton to Whitmore Lake, and if
Speaker 4: you know, you know, and that was working for him
Speaker 4: during that transition, and I built his sales department in uh.
Speaker 4: I built his sales department, which it accumulated like a
Speaker 4: lot of relationships with a lot of reps and stuff
Speaker 4: that was going on. But I was also starting to
Speaker 4: see like people come in every month and buy five
Speaker 4: gallon jugs of like cal mag and A and B.
Speaker 4: And I'm like why or how are these guys going
Speaker 4: through so much nutrients? Like it wasn't registering to me,
Speaker 4: like how are they doing this? And then it like clicked.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh shit, And I started learning the
Speaker 4: more like one plant, more on one light kind of
Speaker 4: like style of grow right where we could be limited
Speaker 4: by what our rules are. Our rules were seventy two plants,
Speaker 4: so we maximize the shit out of those seventy two plants.
Speaker 4: Other people's even today, right, it's the same same rule,
Speaker 4: but like other people have plant count or a square
Speaker 4: footage restrictions, and like you maximize what your rule is
Speaker 4: so we can play within the law so we don't
Speaker 4: get raided.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, yeah that's true.
Speaker 3: So like I mean exactly within the law and you're
Speaker 3: able to capitalize on it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So like twenty four I'm seeing this transition. I'm
Speaker 4: seeing the shit happen. And then I meet a guy
Speaker 4: because I was also cooking at the time. A guy
Speaker 4: owned a restaurant in Brighton, and he put me onto
Speaker 4: a spot he had an ionia. And if you don't know,
Speaker 4: so I live in Brighton and whatever, you know where
Speaker 4: I live, I On's ninety miles.
Speaker 3: From pretty big city. They're not going to be now
Speaker 3: I know he lives.
Speaker 4: I only is ninety miles from Brighton. So that's where
Speaker 4: my first like commercial trap caregiver spot was. I turned
Speaker 4: that into a forty lighter. I was harvesting every other week,
Speaker 4: and I was like, that was like my step from
Speaker 4: backyard grower to okay, let's take this shiit seriously, you know.
Speaker 4: I I started getting hints on like where the law
Speaker 4: was going with this licensing stuff. I started learning about
Speaker 4: that in like twenty fifteen sixteen, so like when legislation
Speaker 4: was starting to get introduced for it, and I started
Speaker 4: seeing the future of it. Obviously that everything that had
Speaker 4: happened it happened in Colorado was like a good stepping
Speaker 4: stone of obviously what was could be coming in the future.
Speaker 4: And so I started just kind of learning and trying
Speaker 4: to get the best out of it that I could
Speaker 4: and learn and do it most efficiently, most effectively. And
Speaker 4: like it was ninety miles from my house. It was
Speaker 4: in Ionia. If you know anything about Ionia, there's not
Speaker 4: much to it. I had no internet service. I had nothing,
Speaker 4: so like I bought my first like from twenty fourteen
Speaker 4: to sixteen, I had a hot spot like an AT
Speaker 4: and C wireless hot spot, and the only thing that
Speaker 4: could data drive was my thermostats. So all I ever
Speaker 4: would have was my thermostats. So I'd look at my thermostats.
Speaker 4: If the temperatures were up, I knew something was fucked up.
Speaker 4: If the humidity was down, I knew something was fucked up,
Speaker 4: and I had to get get out there.
Speaker 5: So so that's a cool way to analyze it, though,
Speaker 5: like that's a really ingenuitive at the time.
Speaker 3: Now you can do everything for my mapp.
Speaker 4: No, you knew everything from app, And like if I
Speaker 4: had internet over there, it'd be a lot easier to
Speaker 4: I would ad sensors and other shit that I've been
Speaker 4: able to look in on, or cameras and shit like that.
Speaker 3: Right, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: But I was trapping too, Like I was carrying like
Speaker 4: ten to twenty pounds from Ionia then down to Detroit
Speaker 4: allegedly whatever. Like the backpack days, right, Like you'd walk
Speaker 4: in and with a backpack full of week and you
Speaker 4: walk out with a backpack full of cash. And that
Speaker 4: was like that was life for four years before licensing went.
Speaker 3: On, and like many years before that, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean that's what it was.
Speaker 5: I mean that's what cannabis was pushed into because of
Speaker 5: all the propaganda, you know, So like that's what it was,
Speaker 5: and like paper's crazy to see how farther it's gone.
Speaker 4: So like, and like I didn't trust anyone back then either,
Speaker 4: so like I didn't really have anybody helping me run
Speaker 4: a forty lighter, so I did all that shit by myself,
Speaker 4: Like my wife would come help trim or like pull
Speaker 4: plants down for a day or something like that. Bro
Speaker 4: like it, but it hardened me. Like that's the thing
Speaker 4: that like I'm in this transition of like trying to
Speaker 4: really figure out this origin story and like the meat
Speaker 4: and the potatoes of the story. And I think like
Speaker 4: the big turning point for me was this weekend where
Speaker 4: I had nobody, I had my biggest harvest that I had.
Speaker 4: I had partners that were up my ass about money.
Speaker 4: We were not making any money. We're barely breaking even.
Speaker 4: I was paying myself like five hundred thousand bus a
Speaker 4: week maybe, like just to make sure I could get
Speaker 4: back and forth, like nothing was happening. And I ended
Speaker 4: up working a fourteen hour day, a fourteen hour day,
Speaker 4: and then a nineteen hour day, and I drove home
Speaker 4: every time afterwards, and I went back out the next day.
Speaker 5: And like that mentally, that grit, though, is what makes you,
Speaker 5: like I feel like kind not deserve it per se,
Speaker 5: but what makes you go through that hard time to.
Speaker 4: Do the time that mentally broke me at that point.
Speaker 4: And but that was like almost like a reawakening or
Speaker 4: like a rebirth or.
Speaker 3: Something out of that, right, like, yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: It was like it totally brought me into a completely
Speaker 4: new stratosphere almost. And that was after I had gotten
Speaker 4: raided and restarted in the exact same s we can like,
Speaker 4: that's a whole nother story, another story they related up.
Speaker 2: That's wow, man, I'm sorry to go through that as well.
Speaker 4: It's all what got me to who I am today though, right,
Speaker 4: Like So in we uh twenty eighteen, we went more
Speaker 4: licensing and I made a shift into one company and
Speaker 4: the grower from that company moved from Colorado to here,
Speaker 4: and I made a good I had a good relationship
Speaker 4: with him when he was out in Colorado. Uh, some
Speaker 4: people know who that probably watched this who he is,
Speaker 4: but I'm not going to stand your names or do
Speaker 4: anything like that. So he turned into this complete lunatic
Speaker 4: and like it was like the most toxic environment that
Speaker 4: you'd ever walk into. And like this was like four
Speaker 4: years of me running to grow a forty later by myself,
Speaker 4: like refining my processes, and then you take that into
Speaker 4: somewhere and like you're willing to share your experiences and
Speaker 4: ideas and like tweak things and get things better, and
Speaker 4: you're completely shunned and fucking looked down on and like
Speaker 4: held back right, like everybody understands what that fucking glass
Speaker 4: ceiling feels like. Like there there was this fucking could
Speaker 4: not break through type of thing.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: But again that was like one of the things that
Speaker 4: hardened me in too be a good boss that I
Speaker 4: am today, Like I know that today and the girl
Speaker 4: that I run with, the four dudes that we got there,
Speaker 4: They're not coming in and having a bad day at work,
Speaker 4: Like it just doesn't happen. Like everybody gets along with
Speaker 4: each other, and if you didn't get along with each other,
Speaker 4: I weaved out, like you got to fit within our
Speaker 4: mold and like everybody has a good time when they
Speaker 4: come to work. There's no anxiety, there's no social anxiety.
Speaker 4: There's no like like I used to drive up that
Speaker 4: grow and see that dude's car and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 4: here goes my day, right, Like it's.
Speaker 5: Either exactly That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, definitely. I definitely had to take a step
Speaker 4: back after that one for a minute. But then I
Speaker 4: also at that after that, uh, Minton Cannico started up.
Speaker 4: He and I kind of like he had the building
Speaker 4: and the structure, but he didn't have like the that,
Speaker 4: if you lack of a better term, SOPs to kind
Speaker 4: of implement to kind of like get a go. So
Speaker 4: that's where I kind of came in. Uh that relationship
Speaker 4: ended however whatever, and then we went excuse me. Then
Speaker 4: I went and uh, this was like post COVID, so
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, I found the guys that I'm with
Speaker 4: now the building that they were building out, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't like finished, so I got to put some of
Speaker 4: my own touches on it. And uh, that brings me
Speaker 4: kind of finally to where I am today with faded.
Speaker 3: So that was the long the orige of the story.
Speaker 2: I like it, man, that was a good that's a
Speaker 2: good story. I appreciate that well. And then honestly, years
Speaker 2: take us through the years.
Speaker 3: It's when you think about it's like, that's literally how
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 5: And I want to ask you both something since this
Speaker 5: is like I guess you guys are kind of molded
Speaker 5: from the same cloth in.
Speaker 3: The sense, but for going through the raid looking back.
Speaker 5: Like because because I look back, the only thing I
Speaker 5: can really too traumatic, Like I had my own DUI, Right,
Speaker 5: that like kind of woke me up. But did do
Speaker 5: you feel like that kind of like just repivot kind
Speaker 5: of your whole strategy in this game?
Speaker 2: I mean I quit for a while, so yeah, so
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of bounced out of it, but
Speaker 2: then I came back in kind of you became.
Speaker 5: A canadave, though right before that you weren't Canna dave.
Speaker 5: You were growing with people and stuff, right, I almost
Speaker 5: feel like you guys grew from this even though it
Speaker 5: was Yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure, I would say so for sure, it was
Speaker 2: probably beneficial that it happened, I guess, right, and looking back.
Speaker 3: Is always easier, right. I know there's a lot of
Speaker 3: trauma to it and all that.
Speaker 4: So for me, it was so easy for me to
Speaker 4: jump into the license game. I know there was like
Speaker 4: so much hate that event that came out, especially in
Speaker 4: the beginning with like licensed cultivations, well cultivations versus caregivers
Speaker 4: and like it like fucking respect the ship out of
Speaker 4: the caregiver. I was a caregiver. I'll always defend the caregiver.
Speaker 4: Million these organizations or groups, so they got together that
Speaker 4: tried to squash it, like yeah, like it was a
Speaker 4: or whatever. Yeah, you know, it never happened. They didn't win, right,
Speaker 4: Like the rules still stood and they are what they are.
Speaker 4: So I'll always have a special place in my heart
Speaker 4: for a caregiver. But in my situation from getting raided,
Speaker 4: having a family, wanting to move forward my life, I
Speaker 4: didn't want to go to jail ever again, and like
Speaker 4: that was like I'm what I if I have to
Speaker 4: fucking pay fifty percent taxes and we don't pay that
Speaker 4: but excise taxes or whatever the fuck they want, Like,
Speaker 4: I will play your game in order to live my
Speaker 4: life safely.
Speaker 5: And I and one hundred percent he went the same route,
Speaker 5: but he went super legit with the caregiver doesn't break
Speaker 5: a single thing, like very legit. I was curious because,
Speaker 5: like and also to shed some light on some people
Speaker 5: who are still trying to paint this wall between caregivers
Speaker 5: of metric. But at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 5: a lot of them came from the same ship you did.
Speaker 5: They just want their lives a little safer. So I
Speaker 5: just wanted to shed some light from a perspective of,
Speaker 5: like some shit you guys really went through.
Speaker 2: That's why I wanted for it to go legal so
Speaker 2: bad in eighteen and my dreams eventually give my flower
Speaker 2: and market getting in a grow or something that be dope.
Speaker 5: I just, I just I wonder if that was stem
Speaker 5: from that. I was curious, and I think I think,
Speaker 5: thank you for your sharing.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have you shouldn't have to go to jail
Speaker 3: for we No, no, you know, it's like the worst.
Speaker 4: And like I said, I'll play the game if you
Speaker 4: want me to play the game, but I'm going to
Speaker 4: do it like efficiently, effectively, and I'm going to fucking
Speaker 4: kill it. Like that's just kind of who I am,
Speaker 4: and like that's what's driven me to the be able
Speaker 4: to build the relationships that I do, to be able
Speaker 4: to do things like this event or like, uh, we
Speaker 4: just kind of talked about I'm now a uh I'm
Speaker 4: part of the Advanced Cultivation or Advanced Commercial team, the
Speaker 4: Advanced Nutrients Commercial Team. It's a new team that we
Speaker 4: built because there's new products that are going to be
Speaker 4: launched and I'm out here to drive or our group
Speaker 4: of you know, there's a handful of us. We're out
Speaker 4: here to drive commercial sales but also to build the
Speaker 4: SOPs for it to because there's a new product launch
Speaker 4: that's coming and we could get into that if you
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 3: The new line.
Speaker 4: So it's the eighth gen, right this and this is
Speaker 4: like kind of what was talked about at biscon.
Speaker 3: Geat you go into a little bit, I'm curious.
Speaker 4: So it's like, uh so let's back up a little bit.
Speaker 4: So uh let's how I we can talk about Mike
Speaker 4: grow and my cultivation. Right, So, like I have been
Speaker 4: grown with Cana for six to eight years now, and
Speaker 4: I grew with advance for from like twenty twelve, like
Speaker 4: when my weed started shifting to get better weed till
Speaker 4: like twenty sixteen something like that, when I switched to
Speaker 4: Coco and I just want to try a couple of
Speaker 4: new things. I went to Cana and I went to
Speaker 4: Coco and out of Rockwell and I went and played
Speaker 4: with microbes a little bit more than I was able to,
Speaker 4: like an inert media. And so I've been with Cana
Speaker 4: and been doing Cana for a long time. Additives from
Speaker 4: other companies here and there, whatever, but my base regiment
Speaker 4: was Knaam being cannaboost and that kind of got me
Speaker 4: to where I am today. However, so advanced back in
Speaker 4: the day had this very like thirteen bottle approach, right,
Speaker 4: like they.
Speaker 3: Have all the bottles, Yeah, like a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like I don't know how big of your
Speaker 4: segment of listeners are growers, but we got growers, so yes,
Speaker 4: I understand then, So like you know, there's a there's
Speaker 4: a big marketing employee behind like the cartoon look and
Speaker 4: the Instagram model, if you will, like for other companies,
Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying that's like the advanced thing, but
Speaker 4: it was like this marketing employee, like the cartoon in
Speaker 4: the Big Bud, and like it's just something that like
Speaker 4: I kind of wised up to and kind of moved on.
Speaker 4: It's like something a little bit more simplistic and like
Speaker 4: a little bit more bosique kind of style of what
Speaker 4: I was looking for. And that's kind of what drove
Speaker 4: me into Canada. So Advance had approached me a few
Speaker 4: times in the last few years many years to be
Speaker 4: a kind of a sales with them, to do something
Speaker 4: collaborative with them, and I just kept denying and denying it.
Speaker 4: And then they came up to me, and this was
Speaker 4: a couple months ago, and they approached me with their
Speaker 4: eighth Gen that they're launching. And so this is long
Speaker 4: end of the short and why I'm getting into this
Speaker 4: eighth Gen stuff now is now, See, the eighth Gen
Speaker 4: is a lot more simplistic of an approach. It doesn't
Speaker 4: have the thirteen bottles. It takes a lot I keep
Speaker 4: saying thirteen and it's not whatever. It takes a lot
Speaker 4: of the recipes, like they take a lot of like
Speaker 4: three four bottles they put it into one. It's more
Speaker 4: simplistic foot approach. It's going to be a two part
Speaker 4: powder instead of like a three pop party where some
Speaker 4: of these other companies have been traditionally on, and then
Speaker 4: a couple liquid additives that go with it. So they
Speaker 4: approached me with an opportunity to do marketing for that,
Speaker 4: to uh to run the right that like the SOPs
Speaker 4: for it, to like test an R and D the product.
Speaker 4: Like obviously they have a good scene that have already
Speaker 4: done that.
Speaker 3: But that's really cool.
Speaker 5: No, I was just saying that you're actually being a
Speaker 5: part of the process of like this eighth generation like launch,
Speaker 5: and that's really cool to be a part of it.
Speaker 5: And like especially with a brand like them, They've been
Speaker 5: around for a while and like you said, they have
Speaker 5: their own things. So I mean, trying to be innovative
Speaker 5: is what keeps you alive as a company.
Speaker 3: So I respect that.
Speaker 4: So part of my mission in this industry is to
Speaker 4: uh take this industry to a little bit more of
Speaker 4: a professional level, and to do so through culture change.
Speaker 4: And so when we look at Advanced in their past
Speaker 4: and the way that they've and I'm calling this out
Speaker 4: is I don't I don't pull any punches like I
Speaker 4: have nothing to lose at this point, like it does.
Speaker 4: And I've said this in meetings of advance. I don't
Speaker 4: think that I haven't said this before, but like I'm
Speaker 4: here to drive culture shift, and like when they approach
Speaker 4: me with the new packaging and the new look and
Speaker 4: the more sleek and like more suited to the license
Speaker 4: cultivator who's smart that doesn't need marketing to sell them
Speaker 4: on good product and on equality, clean, simplistic product, that's
Speaker 4: what got me. So, Like their new packaging is just
Speaker 4: super sleek. There's a picture of it on my Instagram,
Speaker 4: is very black and gold. Like there's no picture to it.
Speaker 4: It's just straight to the point of what it is.
Speaker 4: It's a few products that have been combined into one
Speaker 4: so you don't have the multiple approaches, and there's some
Speaker 4: really cool innovative things that are in the recipe of
Speaker 4: the products as well. So having the opportunity to do
Speaker 4: this now and then try to shift this company that's
Speaker 4: one of the one of the global leaders in nutrients
Speaker 4: supply and nutrient distribution to whatever you want to say
Speaker 4: to the masses, to be able to be part of
Speaker 4: that change and that shift and that culture shift into
Speaker 4: a more positive professional level and direction with something that
Speaker 4: was that kind of it enticed me and it was
Speaker 4: like very easy for me to get behind and to
Speaker 4: kind of do. Like like I said, part of my
Speaker 4: mission personally is to drive culture in professionalism through this industry.
Speaker 4: There's too much fucking bullshit. Sorry my language, figure it out.
Speaker 5: But I mean, like we're smoking buds, so like that's
Speaker 5: not there, Like yeah, you already you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, broken rules. They're not gonna be like, oh you're
Speaker 3: cool now.
Speaker 5: No, I mean again, I'm just joking, but no, I mean,
Speaker 5: but I mean this kind of transitions to your event, right,
Speaker 5: like when you're trying to you said, you're trying to
Speaker 5: have that professionalism, right, So I let's tie that in
Speaker 5: a little bit because I do think that like there
Speaker 5: are events now are trying to like this sort of
Speaker 5: bridging that they still tap into culture, but there's still
Speaker 5: professional networking rate.
Speaker 3: They're kind of this.
Speaker 5: Middle ground where because like because I think you see,
Speaker 5: like there are culture events where it's just like you know,
Speaker 5: old school of people trap in and like you know,
Speaker 5: I mean culture and then you got people you know,
Speaker 5: then you just got straight events where it's all network
Speaker 5: where it's not I can't let loose and smoke a
Speaker 5: little bit where these ones in the middle are kind
Speaker 5: of that like beautiful synergy.
Speaker 4: So my events are to be a cooperation in a
Speaker 4: collaboration and not a competition. That was like my biggest
Speaker 4: drive in things. And I've been to some of these
Speaker 4: other parties and they respect those people that put those
Speaker 4: parties on because I know fucking how hard it is,
Speaker 4: I know what it takes to do it. I have
Speaker 4: tons of respect for all those people and their little
Speaker 4: niches that they've grown. My niche that I'm trying to
Speaker 4: grow with my events is like I said, collaboration, not
Speaker 4: necessarily even networking. It's just a bunch of people being
Speaker 4: able to come out, hang out, have a bunch of
Speaker 4: fireweed and like consumption and like we're not trying to
Speaker 4: like like respect is Olympics. They've built something amazingly, Like
Speaker 4: they have a great brand, they have a great competition
Speaker 4: Tyler shout out Zachieber. Absolutely and total respect of everything
Speaker 4: that they're doing. But that's not what I was looking
Speaker 4: to do. Like I wasn't looking to do the competition
Speaker 4: because then you have this it's a different energy, right,
Speaker 4: Like and like I'm not saying that that energy is
Speaker 4: a negative thing, like that that energy is its own thing.
Speaker 4: And like my energies that I'm trying to put off
Speaker 4: at these things are a little bit more to that professionalism.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean I I see, I see them
Speaker 5: almost just different lights where I mean, when you're at
Speaker 5: a competition, like the star of the show is that
Speaker 5: the the hot strains new flavors, right, this is more
Speaker 5: focus on genetics. But like for events like yours or
Speaker 5: like you know me Connect Puffed like you, it's more
Speaker 5: about that networking, getting to know people like you can
Speaker 5: actually have time to talk.
Speaker 3: Sometimes when it's like a competition, there's loud music, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like a party. It's more culture.
Speaker 5: So I think it's kind of like a you know,
Speaker 5: it's kind of like a say, I don't even know
Speaker 5: like a scale and you know, like.
Speaker 4: I still consider myself, but far different than the me connect.
Speaker 4: Like what he's doing over there is a very business
Speaker 4: to business networking, like yeah, brand promotion, and what I'm
Speaker 4: doing is uh and he does he showcases as well.
Speaker 4: That's it would be a showcase too, but I'm also
Speaker 4: kind of showcasing certain brands like with the Dad Bars
Speaker 4: and the.
Speaker 3: Don Up Bars, very unique, right, the pre rolls yeah.
Speaker 4: Like and we so with my events. But one thing
Speaker 4: I like, h I'm like super like history and like
Speaker 4: the nineteen twenties fascinate me. In thirties and the Great
Speaker 4: Depression all that fascinating.
Speaker 3: We're in the twenties again, I thought about that sixty
Speaker 3: years ago. This is the twenties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like I think about those parties, the cigarette girls, right,
Speaker 4: they're all walking around, they're like and so I wanted
Speaker 4: I took that and like put that into my events
Speaker 4: with like these girls like and so the if you
Speaker 4: see like pre role contributors on my page, those are
Speaker 4: the brands that are giving me one to two hundred
Speaker 4: pre rolls before the show and for my girls to
Speaker 4: go out there and like have samples of the handout
Speaker 4: to everybody, you know. So like I just want to
Speaker 4: cater everybody with as much as I can. And the
Speaker 4: initial the initial plan of it, like with the Growers Gal,
Speaker 4: the first one was like this, let's.
Speaker 5: Celebrate the growers And that's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 5: It's like, what are you celebrating at that moment? And
Speaker 5: that's different because I love culture events too, but you're
Speaker 5: just celebrating the plant. That's why sometimes those are my favorite.
Speaker 3: Because River's just getting stone having a fun time, talk
Speaker 3: about favor.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love all the.
Speaker 5: Events, right, And I think when you go from culture events, funds,
Speaker 5: getting high DJ's music all the way to like Biscon,
Speaker 5: where it's like we're just talking business.
Speaker 3: Let's all needed, let's complete, let's dive into.
Speaker 4: That's what I've been going to. Business has since twenty fifth.
Speaker 3: I met you, you guys met Prior, Oh Jesus Christ
Speaker 3: and serious like over but no, y'all met Prior, right,
Speaker 3: was just online?
Speaker 2: Okay, well we might have the event before the first one,
Speaker 2: the second one, the second one Halloween, the other.
Speaker 4: Magic massive, magic massa same. It was like copy and paste,
Speaker 4: just add Halloween theme.
Speaker 3: Which is funny. I like this.
Speaker 4: Well, the first one went so well and I had
Speaker 4: such good feedback and which I had no idea I
Speaker 4: was going to get, Like what Another thing that I like,
Speaker 4: really like focus on is not being a corporate event,
Speaker 4: like making this a family thing. So it's me, my wife,
Speaker 4: my brother, my niece, Like we're the main people that
Speaker 4: put this on and like so it's family, like we
Speaker 4: keep it in the family. My brother's girlfriend will help,
Speaker 4: like my niece's friends will come help, like like my grandmother,
Speaker 4: like the grandma's will come with like it during the day,
Speaker 4: help set up and watch the kids or whatever, right,
Speaker 4: like so uh yeah, everybody's kind of into it. And
Speaker 4: like we the more family we put it on, the
Speaker 4: less corporative feels, so people can't relax and have that environment.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of funny to see the evolution even
Speaker 4: between the two events. I put a lot of money
Speaker 4: into catering, Like that's very important to me to have
Speaker 4: good food around for these events, and like I'm looking
Speaker 4: for a very specific thing the events and foods.
Speaker 3: So yeah, especially like three joints, four joints.
Speaker 4: But like the first event, like nobody ate anything like
Speaker 4: a way over Spence on it and like nobody took it,
Speaker 4: like many of the pre roles, so we had like
Speaker 4: five hundred of them left over, like people just weren't
Speaker 4: taking them, and like well like left over by I
Speaker 4: left me at the end of the night.
Speaker 3: We were like take like everyone these are free.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like.
Speaker 4: But like.
Speaker 3: The yeah, you were talking about learning from each event.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, to watch the evolution now in the second event,
Speaker 4: like we were like food was being consumed a little
Speaker 4: bit more, people were more comfortable taking product. Like to
Speaker 4: see people's comfortability levels that kind of rise throughout the
Speaker 4: past couple events is kind of exciting too.
Speaker 3: But the machine was good and number two, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna do that again.
Speaker 5: You know, It's funny because I do a v for
Speaker 5: other events too in my life, and I've seen them
Speaker 5: other places. I'm like, man, you guys are everywhere. You
Speaker 5: guys crush there they do like a pistachie.
Speaker 4: It's good. And like for being kind of cold that night,
Speaker 4: like it was fucking it hit the spot. But like
Speaker 4: a event you learned that's just no doubt, and like
Speaker 4: it come a little bit more budget friendly, and like
Speaker 4: it's easy, a little easier to get sponsors than it
Speaker 4: was like day one, you know, like and like and
Speaker 4: like I was trying to like started with this with like, uh,
Speaker 4: the feedback that I got from everything, and like the
Speaker 4: amount of good time that everybody had, like was so
Speaker 4: compelled there so much compelled me to put these other
Speaker 4: events on and continue this going. So I'm fortunate to
Speaker 4: be in the position that I am. I was fortunate
Speaker 4: to make the relationships up to this point with other cultivators,
Speaker 4: with other ancillary companies like Canna and Advanced Nutrients and
Speaker 4: UH and in or like some a lot of these
Speaker 4: other brands that sponsored my show is on a regular
Speaker 4: because they know who I am, they know the character
Speaker 4: of me, uh, they know I have good intentions and
Speaker 4: they know I'm looking to do something fun and like
Speaker 4: exciting and new and not bizkun.
Speaker 5: And like that's why I was saying, there's a sliding
Speaker 5: scale and like the I mean, you're yeah, definitely, you're
Speaker 5: You're in events are different than like everyone else.
Speaker 3: That's what I love about events.
Speaker 5: But I feel like it is just always kind of
Speaker 5: that sliding scale, and I feel like you're kind of
Speaker 5: hitting right there in that middle point.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 4: And like it's not about the money. It's not at
Speaker 4: all for me, Like I the money will come, I
Speaker 4: don't care. I came from nothing. I have a little
Speaker 4: bit now like cool, Like it's about making these relationships.
Speaker 4: It's about driving this industry into a professional manner. I
Speaker 4: keep saying it, but that's what I'm what my my
Speaker 4: my goal is at the end of the day, and
Speaker 4: these events help propel me to do sort of thing,
Speaker 4: like I look to be a leader amongst my peers,
Speaker 4: and like, to be a leader, you have to sell
Speaker 4: out for the mission and.
Speaker 3: For me the mission.
Speaker 4: That's that's exactly I was.
Speaker 3: I kept saying, like rand, but it is a mission.
Speaker 3: It's a mission. I look at branding some when I'm
Speaker 3: as what your mission is because of where you're going for.
Speaker 4: And like so shout out to Advancing New Trains because
Speaker 4: they sent me to this leadership training with Chris Collins
Speaker 4: in California and it was the most amazing, eye opening
Speaker 4: experience that I've ever had. And like I'm the type
Speaker 4: of guy that would walk into something like that with
Speaker 4: a closed mind and like this is bullshit. And like
Speaker 4: I walked out of that like holy shit and likely
Speaker 4: just start thinking and spinning the wheels in other directions
Speaker 4: and like starting to shift this mission and reate a
Speaker 4: mission and what my actual purpose is so I can
Speaker 4: then lead like this, that's my goal is I want
Speaker 4: to be a leader amongst our peers, but I want
Speaker 4: to do through do so through authenticity, through trust, through
Speaker 4: cultivating connections, and through driving the industry to a more
Speaker 4: professional level. Through culture change and like to be able
Speaker 4: to have this opportunity to do that with advance is
Speaker 4: like it aligns with me so well, right to shift
Speaker 4: this culture. And if I can do this on a
Speaker 4: micro scale stories a line, right, yeah, exactly, And I
Speaker 4: can do this on a micro scale, that I can
Speaker 4: start doing it more on a macro scale and then
Speaker 4: the sky's the limit and that's the that's the goal
Speaker 4: at the end of the day. And like to get
Speaker 4: into the Biscount thing too, and like relate that back
Speaker 4: to my events, Like I've been going to biscons since
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen when it's like.
Speaker 3: The first much has it grown? The first one that
Speaker 3: I want to grow since we went eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was like the third one, the third one
Speaker 4: that they had put on at this point, second or
Speaker 4: third one. And it was in the basement of a
Speaker 4: hotel in Chicago and they filmed like part of Home
Speaker 4: there or something like that, well or something like it
Speaker 4: was some change a lot, dude, And like this was suits.
Speaker 4: Like I'm telling every single person I wore a buttnap
Speaker 4: because like, oh wow, like it was suits there. And
Speaker 4: this was like back when people were throwing money at
Speaker 4: the wall to see if it'd stick, and like it
Speaker 4: was in a basement, and then I watched this thing
Speaker 4: grow exponentially. And then twenty eighteen election came and that
Speaker 4: thing fucking exploded. It was at the Rio, they sold out.
Speaker 4: There's a line on like the third day like to
Speaker 4: get in still like and that's when they shifted it
Speaker 4: over to the con Center. That would have been like
Speaker 4: I think the election at twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: Okay, well that makes sense, that's I mean, I mean
Speaker 5: that's when I was getting more in industry, and I
Speaker 5: think we can I've heard of it back then, Like
Speaker 5: I didn't even know when it went back to sixteen.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was twenty sixteen, eighteen somewhere on there.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's still crazy.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of I remember there's a lot of
Speaker 4: states that had went legal or medical ad during that
Speaker 4: election eighteen it was eighteen, yeah, because we went a
Speaker 4: check and like I remember seeing this thing go. It
Speaker 4: just explode. After that they went to the convention center
Speaker 4: and it got huge, Right, But what happened this year?
Speaker 4: Do you guys notice, like if you've been going for
Speaker 4: six years now, like, did you notice how it's shrunk?
Speaker 4: How the cultivation side is tiny, and not only its tiny,
Speaker 4: like compared to last year, but the walls keep coming
Speaker 4: in because there's less and less sponsors than people that
Speaker 4: want to put in for this I did, I.
Speaker 3: Said, I don't know if I said two three years ago.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe I guess was this our fifth? I
Speaker 3: don't know, this might have been our fifth or no.
Speaker 3: I think it's definitely more than three. So that's what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say. We might only be coming since
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5: So what I was saying is that I feel like
Speaker 5: the first year to the second year was like wow,
Speaker 5: it kept growing, but then ever since like that like
Speaker 5: it's just been going down.
Speaker 3: It did seem smaller this year, it did see super smaller,
Speaker 3: and the next year more.
Speaker 5: Of it's dealt outside of the conference center. Right Like
Speaker 5: Biskon brings people town and there's like feels like there's
Speaker 5: hundreds of events that are going on everywhere, but just
Speaker 5: I feel like they're starting to move to that like
Speaker 5: week around Biscon, but like not at Biscon. And that's
Speaker 5: what I think is interesting because I think it's becoming
Speaker 5: you know, I was saying, Biscon is all the way
Speaker 5: where the business is just talking.
Speaker 3: I think it.
Speaker 5: They're trying to bring it to that culture feeling. So
Speaker 5: that's why everyone has these after parties.
Speaker 4: Possibly then that could be something on their own, but
Speaker 4: the after party is its own scene and its own thing,
Speaker 4: and you probably end up going to Vegas and you
Speaker 4: get more value not going to bis Gun and just
Speaker 4: going to the after parties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like balance there for sure.
Speaker 4: And don't get me wrong, certain companies do really well there.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying Advance had a very good day,
Speaker 4: very good God, I was there.
Speaker 5: But it's like the the It's not dead conference by
Speaker 5: no no pack. It's just like the vendors have have gone.
Speaker 4: Me me as an attendees who like when I used
Speaker 4: to go, I used to it. When I go to him,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I get social anxiety. I don't want to
Speaker 4: talk to anyone. I'm I'm on a mission. I don't
Speaker 4: want to like I want to go up and down
Speaker 4: all the aisles, but I don't want to be said
Speaker 4: hello to every single time. Like it's like I have
Speaker 4: a social battery too that it gets drained in these
Speaker 4: types of things. Yeah, And when I was talking to
Speaker 4: my brother about all this too, we're like so what
Speaker 4: can we do. Wes like, we have to flip the
Speaker 4: expo upside down, right and make the upside down expo.
Speaker 4: And that's like what I aim to do with my
Speaker 4: events is like make this upside down next be where
Speaker 4: everybody comes into a cultural event has a good time.
Speaker 4: I tell the people that get booths at them, I'm like,
Speaker 4: don't stand behind your booth, like you can if you want,
Speaker 4: but you're gonna get way more value just walking around
Speaker 4: the party and talking to people and having a good time.
Speaker 3: I mean, and like, I hate value your event. When
Speaker 3: we were there, we got to interview. We're signing up, yeah,
Speaker 3: because cannabis is just.
Speaker 5: Let's just be real here, Cannabis is all about this,
Speaker 5: like this very deep trust we've built by smoking with
Speaker 5: people and getting to know people. So without that being
Speaker 5: able to smoke, sometimes it's super hard to be that true,
Speaker 5: true to that culture. So I think that's why I
Speaker 5: like events like yours is that it's that it still
Speaker 5: feels culture, but like business gets done.
Speaker 3: Sometimes business got done back in.
Speaker 5: The gun because even us we tried to throw just
Speaker 5: an Advocate event for our first where it was just
Speaker 5: no smoking, just like speech speeches and it was hard
Speaker 5: getting one there unless they were truly about the advocacy.
Speaker 3: So like really like it's just because this this there's.
Speaker 4: Such a culture here, it's like so social and like
Speaker 4: Michigan is strong and like this is like where I want.
Speaker 4: I want to see Michigan shift as a whole. Is
Speaker 4: like at least I have this conception of Michigan that
Speaker 4: we still keep looking out west, like they have this
Speaker 4: conception of Michigan where we would keep still looking out
Speaker 4: west for inspiration and for hype, right, Like that's what
Speaker 4: I keep seeing. Anyways, I don't know if it's making
Speaker 4: a shift, and I'm just like sheltered into my way
Speaker 4: of thinking, but I want to see Michigan become the leader.
Speaker 4: Like we just took over California and the amount of
Speaker 4: total sales right, like that's amazing, That's insane, I know,
Speaker 4: Like that's like if you think about that, the total
Speaker 4: amount of pounds units sold, total amount of units sold
Speaker 4: overcame California, like the biggest legacy market that there is
Speaker 4: with a bigger population, like huge, amazing, Like and with
Speaker 4: that we become the leaders and like as we I mean,
Speaker 4: like guys like you right that are driving the podcast
Speaker 4: world that are putting like good content out there, and
Speaker 4: we're just trying to put the people.
Speaker 5: Who deserve the light out there on the forefront. And
Speaker 5: you know, that's all we can do because at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, like there are some good bud here,
Speaker 5: and there's some good here, and there's a good culture here,
Speaker 5: great culture, great crowd. This is what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 5: Like Michigan's got a phenomenal market, absolutely, and then we're
Speaker 5: just trying to shed light on it because I think
Speaker 5: you're right.
Speaker 3: I think California became that leader because they just had that.
Speaker 4: For me, it's there's that California stigma that just lives
Speaker 4: in my head because I'm a Michigan guy.
Speaker 2: Like well, plus I think we all got pounds back
Speaker 2: in the day from Calias that were fires.
Speaker 3: When it bounce was four hundred, but.
Speaker 2: That ship was, Yes, everything was going from out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was great to see that. Going back
Speaker 2: to your point on the sales, because Calli's just such
Speaker 2: huge march. I've always thought Michigan had some of the
Speaker 2: best stuff.
Speaker 4: So like and like I was saying, like, you guys
Speaker 4: are leaders and what you're doing here I try to
Speaker 4: be a leader in my areas between events and growing
Speaker 4: the top shelf cannabis, like trying to draw. Like we
Speaker 4: talked about runs earlier that I didn't say anything, but
Speaker 4: I started to a little bit. But I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: kind of not that run sky like I have. Okay,
Speaker 4: so I've grown Cadillac rainbows and I grow Candak cranbos
Speaker 4: And that's like the most run strain that I have.
Speaker 4: It's it runs cross, but it like doesn't smell. It
Speaker 4: runs right. That's that's a skunky like old school skunk
Speaker 4: kind of and uh so like I don't really consider
Speaker 4: that a runt strain if you will, you know, like
Speaker 4: and uh I still like my bread and butter and
Speaker 4: high cellar and like dollar amount and like best thing
Speaker 4: that I still like to grow is GMO, Like like
Speaker 4: I'm still a fucking massive GMO guy.
Speaker 3: Like I don't like I want to.
Speaker 5: Shit.
Speaker 3: That's you know what, I got a classic. That's the
Speaker 3: key word here. Whatever someone says GMO, I'm in that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: No, I love GMO, like because that garlic turp was
Speaker 3: just so fascinating.
Speaker 4: So going back to the origin story and like back
Speaker 4: to like when I found chronic weed. Like the first
Speaker 4: chronic weed I found was blueberry. And this was like
Speaker 4: twenty two thousand and four ish, and like it had
Speaker 4: to a bendi j short blueberry back then, like being
Speaker 4: from where it was in, Like this ship had like
Speaker 4: a hint of blue in it and it smelled like blueberries.
Speaker 4: And then a little bit later after that, Uh, I
Speaker 4: had a friend that used to go we used to
Speaker 4: go downtown whatever you want to say, Well, he wants
Speaker 4: to go to the hood and get weak good weed,
Speaker 4: and like, uh, he brought back the back then and
Speaker 4: that this one was called bubba cush and it wasn't
Speaker 4: bubble cush. Because I've like smoked and smelled a hundred
Speaker 4: different bubble bubble cushes since then, It's never the same.
Speaker 4: What I remembered. This was the most stinky ship that
Speaker 4: I've ever smelled. Like he would come to my house
Speaker 4: and stand at my front porch and wait for me
Speaker 4: to come answer the door. Because after like two minutes,
Speaker 4: like that smell just lingered in and I was like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, Like, uh, we drove good, We drove and
Speaker 4: picked some more up and we went home. Like three
Speaker 4: days later, me and my buddy got in my car
Speaker 4: and he's like like, what what do you got on you?
Speaker 4: I got nothing, Like that's still lingering in my car
Speaker 4: And like I personally I think that was road kill
Speaker 4: skunk if you ask me, Like like they're like I've
Speaker 4: heard the stories and like the origins of that.
Speaker 3: And like kill skunk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like this is like a nineties like
Speaker 4: like grateful dead strain like and it's like supposedly some
Speaker 4: people know where it is, but other people have said
Speaker 4: that it is like gone. Even the breeder has said that,
Speaker 4: like he's looked for it. People that said that they
Speaker 4: have it don't have it. Like I've heard him on
Speaker 4: there's the podcast with the dude in Australia. Do you
Speaker 4: know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: I forgot what it one's called it, but he always
Speaker 4: has like legacy breeders and like then they it's a
Speaker 4: two and a half hour podcast. The name has escaped me.
Speaker 4: It'll come to me. He he. He brings like a
Speaker 4: duke Diamond in uh skunk Va where like some of
Speaker 4: his first guests and like those guys like found like
Speaker 4: kem Dog and like some of these like really old
Speaker 4: school strains, but they and they tell the origin story
Speaker 4: of that, which is like bag seed that was found
Speaker 4: at a Grateful Dead show and like the nineties that
Speaker 4: they just decided to pop and it became like kem
Speaker 4: dog and sour I might be getting this wrong, Kem
Speaker 4: Dog sour d, like a couple of three of different
Speaker 4: strains odded just this bag seed and like one of
Speaker 4: those type stories. I don't know if it's exactly that
Speaker 4: story came out of the Roadkill Skunk and I think
Speaker 4: that was skunk Va and that one was like like
Speaker 4: apparently it's never not around anymore, but that thing like
Speaker 4: if you knew you had it, and like if people
Speaker 4: used to smoke chronic weed back then and they had it,
Speaker 4: they know exactly what I'm talking about, because like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's like the long winded way of for me to
Speaker 4: say I've always been looking for that weed and like
Speaker 4: the best thing that I've come across since then has
Speaker 4: been GMO, and like that's still like my bread and
Speaker 4: butter with it, like and it throws down it.
Speaker 3: It's funny right here, shout out the wizard around like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, uh.
Speaker 3: Have you ever tried to pivot?
Speaker 4: Nope? Oh yeah, I haven't tried it, but I've seen it,
Speaker 4: Like we had one had a giveaway for the last event.
Speaker 3: Actually you know that.
Speaker 4: Our flower I think did uh did the giveaway for
Speaker 4: that one and it was like what it was one
Speaker 4: of the costume contests. Yeah, it's because you know Halloween.
Speaker 4: But like so I'm always on this quest for like
Speaker 4: finding that like super fucking dank, like old school fucking
Speaker 4: just hitching the nose turps and like the Runs just
Speaker 4: doesn't do it for me. And like I'm not I
Speaker 4: don't talk about any any company and this is not
Speaker 4: me doing so whatsoever, but there's a certain company that
Speaker 4: a lot of people like to use for their nutrients
Speaker 4: and that in my opinion, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: there's necessarily research out there that's been done about this
Speaker 4: or not, but that uh certain line triggers a certain
Speaker 4: turping within Runs that makes that runs fucking kick. And
Speaker 4: like smelling a lot of like the homogenation between a
Speaker 4: lot of the different run strains, like what I've smelled,
Speaker 4: and just like kind of like I understand, like I've
Speaker 4: been doing this for a long time now, I've been
Speaker 4: through a lot of strains. I've smelled a lot of weed,
Speaker 4: and I'm very sentient like I'm super Like what separates
Speaker 4: me in the garden versus a lot of other people
Speaker 4: is like I'm super in touch with my sentence senses.
Speaker 4: Is it ready? No? When it vibrates, I'm like super
Speaker 4: in touch with my senses. Like I can tell when
Speaker 4: a room's off. I can tell when like something's like
Speaker 4: it smells wrong or looks wrong or sounds wrong, and
Speaker 4: I can fucking go attack and figure out what that is.
Speaker 4: And like so I'm very in touch with that. And
Speaker 4: like when I smell that same thing over and over
Speaker 4: and then the same the same probably flavor, well, the
Speaker 4: same flavor, but it's.
Speaker 3: Just shows your ears experience grows. It's isn't it ripped?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 5: And I love that GMO. It's like that one of
Speaker 5: my favorites here, you haven't taken them yet. I won't
Speaker 5: be selfish.
Speaker 3: I almost did five fifty, but sometimes I think like rips,
Speaker 3: like it's a little different.
Speaker 4: It's good, that's tasty. So just that that there's that
Speaker 4: certain line that I believe triggers a certain term being
Speaker 4: that that kind of homogenized a lot of that turpine
Speaker 4: and that runs kind of you know, and like it
Speaker 4: like this again, I'm not throwing shade at anybody. Like
Speaker 4: everybody tweets their own whatever they like to do, whatever
Speaker 4: they like to There's some billion different ways to skin
Speaker 4: the cat, like and up it was a million, there's
Speaker 4: a billion man like whatever like you do to you
Speaker 4: and like, but I'm on a So I have a
Speaker 4: professional mission, right like with the with the UH events
Speaker 4: and like the professionalism, but I also have like a
Speaker 4: grower mission. And my grower mission is to grow the
Speaker 4: highest quality cannabis using high end inputs, not sacrificing yield,
Speaker 4: but doing so effectively, efficiently and economically, like because we
Speaker 4: have to be able to survive in a market that
Speaker 4: like I just saw the Cannabis Consumer Index, and Michigan
Speaker 4: has the lowest price per pound in the country right now.
Speaker 4: And I can pull up the chart right now and
Speaker 4: we can features four hundred and some dollars a pound
Speaker 4: on average, Like it's likeiculously, Like California has higher, that's Oregon, Washington,
Speaker 4: they're higher than us right now, like all the other
Speaker 4: states are higher.
Speaker 3: But like Prince here is insane. It is like what
Speaker 3: I saw it was when I was like when we
Speaker 3: were getting in you know to this podcast.
Speaker 4: That's the average in the average is a reflection of
Speaker 4: the thousand lighters and to each their own. There's some
Speaker 4: good ones out there, but a majority of them aren't.
Speaker 4: And because of that, there's still the quality market that
Speaker 4: survives and exists, and people are still getting to tell
Speaker 4: a dollar for that. And I can, I can, I
Speaker 4: can sign up and keep off, but I I can
Speaker 4: stand here and sit here and say, like I'm still
Speaker 4: getting over a grand like a ball wholesale. Like so
Speaker 4: like in a shout out to my dude that can
Speaker 4: get rid of everything and does everything. He's a very
Speaker 4: influential person in the industry and he kills it. But
Speaker 4: quality wins, right, So like when we go back to
Speaker 4: like Michigan's got to change that then become like the
Speaker 4: number one, and like we need the leaders to be
Speaker 4: able to do it. It's not like and again, no
Speaker 4: offense to the thousand laders and the guys that are
Speaker 4: doing that. That's a hard fucking job. I think I
Speaker 4: would take that on and I would crush because there's
Speaker 4: the type of person that I am. And this is
Speaker 4: not for me to be pretentious or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not trying to like sound like I've been
Speaker 4: doing this a long fucking time. I've earned my stripes.
Speaker 4: I know how to do things effectively, efficiently. I know
Speaker 4: how to do things clean. I don't have issues. I
Speaker 4: know how to manage people. People like to come work
Speaker 4: for me. I make good relationships. So I have a
Speaker 4: lot of sample size that can allow me to speak
Speaker 4: on this. But the thousand layers drain, the average, drain
Speaker 4: the fucking quality overall. The guys that are doing this
Speaker 4: that are like the fucking grinders, the caregivers, the guys
Speaker 4: that came up in this, Uh, they're the ones that
Speaker 4: should be driving this change. Like even and there's a
Speaker 4: lot of the names that are on my banners that
Speaker 4: I'm talking about here, Like these guys are influential figures,
Speaker 4: and it's time to take that influence out of Michigan
Speaker 4: and take it a countrywide. And like we became, we've
Speaker 4: now become that leader, that number one.
Speaker 3: It's like getting to that professional but never forgetting your roots.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And like that's I think.
Speaker 5: But I love that because, well that's why I brought
Speaker 5: up what you guys been through, because well, he had
Speaker 5: a similar thing. He's always talked about going to legal
Speaker 5: market just because of what he went through. You know,
Speaker 5: he's never gonna go back to that old life because
Speaker 5: of what you guys went through. And a lot of
Speaker 5: people have gone through something similar seeing friends go through that,
Speaker 5: so it's like this, you know, I just I think
Speaker 5: it's just important to kind of respect both sides of
Speaker 5: the plant and just remember.
Speaker 4: It's not even just the plant though, it's just who
Speaker 4: we are as people, being Michigan people or Midwestern people.
Speaker 4: Like it's fucking cold outside, man, like that hardens you,
Speaker 4: like like we're like, it just is what it is.
Speaker 4: You go to like different cities sometimes you'll still get it,
Speaker 4: like big cities and they say you're from Detroit or
Speaker 4: Detroiter whatever you say. Everybody says Detroit. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, like you say Detroit and then you
Speaker 4: always were like Detroit after what's that like? And like
Speaker 4: and now, honestly, dude, I just spun like time and
Speaker 4: like downtown in l A. And I've spent time in
Speaker 4: like downtown big cities, and I'm like, uh, Detroit is
Speaker 4: like one of the cleanest cities out there now, Like
Speaker 4: it doesn't smell like.
Speaker 2: L A.
Speaker 3: L A has, Like it's just it's not it's.
Speaker 4: A different, dude. It's just different. It's weird and now
Speaker 4: after like growing up, like wh're pre super Bowl was here,
Speaker 4: and like Detroit was not a place he went even downtown,
Speaker 4: like you go to like Red Wings games and then
Speaker 4: in piss Red Wings games. That was it Tuger's games
Speaker 4: that yeah, you get the fuck.
Speaker 3: Out like perception on Detroit's chain.
Speaker 2: Little Caesars Arena was a dirt parking lot where I
Speaker 2: tailgated for vine tire openers.
Speaker 3: Like that was like nothing years ago.
Speaker 4: So that all that ships like kind of hardened us
Speaker 4: to who we are as people, like we are a
Speaker 4: different breed. Like I don't care, like I've s sure,
Speaker 4: I've met a lot of people out of state that
Speaker 4: are hard workers and like guess you're done. But like
Speaker 4: I've met some bums to man like in like in
Speaker 4: like the highest sense of the word.
Speaker 3: They don't get what it's like. It sucks to go
Speaker 3: freaking fill my gas up sometimes when it's so cold, though.
Speaker 3: I just love that weather stuff. I love that you're
Speaker 3: like I'm telling you right.
Speaker 4: Now, it's the difference, you.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 4: You go to some of these states with like warm
Speaker 4: weather people and they're your songs.
Speaker 3: You go to Florida, Go to Florida, it's like sixty degrees.
Speaker 3: They're wearing like fucking hoodies and why yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3: That is so funny. You're right when you're in a
Speaker 3: warm state, like, oh my god, it's freezing. You're like,
Speaker 3: are you serious right now, it's like eight degrees outside? Cold? Man?
Speaker 4: My bones hurt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you twins. I just love that, Like I've never
Speaker 3: heard that be the reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love It's the blue collar thing or whatever,
Speaker 4: you know, like industry like put it whatever it is.
Speaker 4: But like a upgroing upbringings of our parents in the
Speaker 4: way that they were up wrong, Like it's all like
Speaker 4: inherited right, like it's uh yeah, like like for I'm
Speaker 4: not going to that part there anyways.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 5: No, no, anyways, No, I appreciate you digging in the event,
Speaker 5: and like we dug into like a lot of things.
Speaker 3: What anything else you want to talk on? Anything you
Speaker 3: want to shout out while we're here. So you think
Speaker 3: you can continue doing these events going throughout the year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know I can? Yeah, So, uh May eighth,
Speaker 4: August twenty first, and maybe it's twentieth this.
Speaker 3: Is like, these are super close my birthday.
Speaker 4: These are Thursdays, so you were super close my birthday.
Speaker 3: And I was like, whoa.
Speaker 4: He's like, I think you have a Saturday birthday then,
Speaker 4: because I think the twentieth is the Thursday. I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Well it's that week anyways. And then we'll be doing
Speaker 4: the metric mash again like the week before Halloween. So
Speaker 4: I got the four events planned. Anything else could possibly
Speaker 4: pop up in that period in time.
Speaker 5: But this is super cool being at the crow Foot.
Speaker 5: I mean just to shout out the crow Foot because
Speaker 5: it's great, but my first DJ. But he's like, I
Speaker 5: I as Man, I just blazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, cms cap. He's a he's actually a grower in
Speaker 4: the Rhode Island. He's got his own brand, his own
Speaker 4: thing that he's doing. He's on the advanced team and
Speaker 4: uh he's like, hey, you want me to He's like,
Speaker 4: I'll perform. I'm like, then I listened to some of hisself.
Speaker 4: He's kind of like rap it but like uh like
Speaker 4: about weed kind of rap. You know, Like he's a
Speaker 4: conservator at hearts.
Speaker 5: So separate genre that really is man but there it's
Speaker 5: it's bigger and bigger every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you can check out some of his stuff.
Speaker 4: I've heard a couple few. Like I'm not into rap,
Speaker 4: like I have a fucking psych I have him, but
Speaker 4: like likes into like D twelve and Ship back in
Speaker 4: the day, right like like way back there, like you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like I like but like I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm a rock guy, like I like rock music and
Speaker 4: that's just kind of who I am. The first event,
Speaker 4: I tried to put Sponge in the event, like I
Speaker 4: try to have them play the event. I don't okay
Speaker 4: that he's like now the nineties rock and uh there's
Speaker 4: a disagreement with the venue about putting it on, so
Speaker 4: we didn't do it there. But that's what I There
Speaker 4: was a point in time where I wanted to shift
Speaker 4: the events into like doing music and events like this,
Speaker 4: like consumption music events where they have like sure they
Speaker 4: always already have some of those, but like where we
Speaker 4: do like rock, like where like there's no alcohol sales,
Speaker 4: there's weed sales, and you walk in you can smoke
Speaker 4: weed at a concert and you're not in like indoors
Speaker 4: and you're not like hiding that you're smoking weed, you know,
Speaker 4: like you're actually able to open consume. I thought that
Speaker 4: was just kind of cool.
Speaker 3: I'd be interesting, you really would, you know.
Speaker 5: I never actually, you know, because we always talk about
Speaker 5: how much the tie of music and weed, Like when
Speaker 5: have you not been at concert it smelled weed?
Speaker 4: Usually for me, if you like go to a concert,
Speaker 4: like there's gonna be weed there, Like if you don't
Speaker 4: sell alcohol, I guarantee, like it becomes the weed and
Speaker 4: people will bring their drinks in. But let's like consume
Speaker 4: at a concert and like it's okay to do it,
Speaker 4: and then you know, I talked to some bands and
Speaker 4: they were like, that's a cool idea, Like we've never
Speaker 4: done anything like that before. Like I'd be into doing
Speaker 4: something like that. So now it's like logistically trying to
Speaker 4: get everything set. But uh yeah, this isn't something else
Speaker 4: I like to maybe dabble in in the future.
Speaker 3: But different genres and that you can tap into with
Speaker 3: that type of stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: I think we goes with every fucking except maybe're Christian
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know skip that one.
Speaker 4: You do l eds or hbs, so l yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we didn't go into the girl like I'm happy to
Speaker 4: Uh it's l ed and VEG and HPS and flower
Speaker 4: and like.
Speaker 5: That's that's different because although sometimes we've heard like every
Speaker 5: other like people do some just l eds.
Speaker 3: I'm just I like that you like one.
Speaker 4: So uh, that's the technical like I have the technology
Speaker 4: and the science speaks for itself, like l eds are
Speaker 4: far more efficient and can produce just as good as
Speaker 4: flower or honestly better probably tasting and looking flower. You
Speaker 4: can get more true expressions out of the flower, and
Speaker 4: it can do so. And so there's the micro moles
Speaker 4: per jewel and micromole's jewel if you don't know, is
Speaker 4: like how much light is being given to the plant
Speaker 4: versus the draw of the electricity against the wall. And
Speaker 4: hps's are like super low efficient, Like I think they're
Speaker 4: like one point six micro moles per jewel. And then
Speaker 4: LEDs like the technology where it's evolved to now. And
Speaker 4: when I was doing the research back in like twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: it was like two point four, which is like fucking outstanding.
Speaker 4: Now it's like three point one. I think they're breaking
Speaker 4: barriers of what science thought could be done because they're
Speaker 4: able to use and manipulate spectrum in such a way
Speaker 4: that it gets even more efficient for the plants, which
Speaker 4: then in turn raises your micromoles per jewel, which now
Speaker 4: I think they're coming at like three to one three
Speaker 4: two like some of the more high affecsion LEDs. So
Speaker 4: that's my long winded to saying of saying I'm not
Speaker 4: shitting on LEDs because they fucking crush. But when I
Speaker 4: started this grow it was about being able to replicate
Speaker 4: what I already have done because I'm starting a new
Speaker 4: brand in a very tough market, so I need to
Speaker 4: come to market with some very high quality flower and
Speaker 4: to do so, I have to implement my procedures one
Speaker 4: for one right and to do so, then I can
Speaker 4: then so the analytics side of me, like I can
Speaker 4: create percentages of what things look like and like should
Speaker 4: play out over the course of certain whether that's that's
Speaker 4: yields or there's different different types of metrics.
Speaker 5: It just makes sense, though, because how you're gonna switch
Speaker 5: your method and be able to promise someone you can
Speaker 5: produce the same.
Speaker 3: Right exactly and like and when I put it pen papers,
Speaker 3: you call.
Speaker 5: SOPs procedures, how you do ship, how you get it done,
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it, it's just it does
Speaker 5: matter especially with something with growing.
Speaker 4: When I get when I get it to paper and
Speaker 4: like literally write on paper, Like my percentages are based
Speaker 4: off of like plants per light equals certain amount of way,
Speaker 4: which equals this, which he goes that, right, and like
Speaker 4: in order to get those percentages to play out, you know,
Speaker 4: like everything looks good on paper, right, and then you
Speaker 4: put it in practice and it doesn't always work, Like,
Speaker 4: but I did this one when I this was like
Speaker 4: the fourth grow, fifth grow that I built out. So
Speaker 4: like by the time I've done this, like I'm pretty
Speaker 4: fucking verst on a lot of the things that you
Speaker 4: have to do to survive with it. Right, So I
Speaker 4: have certain procedures or percentages in place, but it only
Speaker 4: was based off of HPS, lights and like certain things.
Speaker 4: And I wasn't in a situation where I was like
Speaker 4: about to change anything, and so like it was like
Speaker 4: bringing in the exact same one to three's like transplants.
Speaker 4: Like I'm so procedure that I have a chart of
Speaker 4: what to do every single day, like and it's typically
Speaker 4: at this point, it's like clockwork. It's just procedures, Like
Speaker 4: it's super easy to do, and like it's all stripped
Speaker 4: down to like bare bones, to be as efficient as possible.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it'll allows me
Speaker 4: to create the product that I was looking to do
Speaker 4: in a market that was tough, and it was tough
Speaker 4: for me to make sales even the first crop, right,
Speaker 4: like nobody knew who the hell it was. So we
Speaker 4: sold the first craft for less than what it was
Speaker 4: worth and we got out from under it. And then
Speaker 4: we got the dude that's doing our sales now like
Speaker 4: by the second crop and boom, things were just rolling.
Speaker 4: So and we've been selling out like in four hours
Speaker 4: every time, like it's not hard to sell out. And
Speaker 4: we're forty eight light room.
Speaker 3: Really good man, We're only in this market.
Speaker 4: It's a forty eight light room harvesting once a month,
Speaker 4: so like we're not sitting on thousands of pounds, you know,
Speaker 4: but like we're putting are high quality product out. We're
Speaker 4: putting the weights out that allow us to stay that's key,
Speaker 4: just stay in business. Yeah, right, right, right, right, So
Speaker 4: what strains do you guys have at GMO? Yeah, GMO,
Speaker 4: so we have like twenty one different strains that were
Speaker 4: running at any time.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to try it.
Speaker 4: I'll get it to you.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, even it's just a joint, bro.
Speaker 4: But like I'm telling like GMO is, So we have
Speaker 4: seven tables in a room, and each table has its
Speaker 4: own strain. Sometimes we'll double up and do two strains
Speaker 4: and like a strain and two tables, so we'll have
Speaker 4: like six strains room versus seven, And then I'm able
Speaker 4: to treat each row individually, water it differently, and if
Speaker 4: it's the same strain, it makes things way more easy
Speaker 4: or way easier, right, So yeah, no, and then we're
Speaker 4: only producing like what twenty to maybe twenty pounds twenty
Speaker 4: five pounds if we're lucky to get a fucking huge
Speaker 4: runoff of one of the tables. So we're not producing
Speaker 4: a ton of weight off a table, so it's easier
Speaker 4: to get rid of, right, So I have more skews
Speaker 4: to get rid of to the dispensaries. And that's in
Speaker 4: a whole other strategy and game that we've.
Speaker 3: Are you in n any shops in the metro Detroit area?
Speaker 3: Do you know working on people out?
Speaker 4: We can find us like kob typically has us, but
Speaker 4: they have like one strain. So here's the thing, all right,
Speaker 4: So I've got a message on Instagram the other day
Speaker 4: about this, our marketing has been shit, and like I'm
Speaker 4: willing to come out here and say it. And because
Speaker 4: like I said before, like I don't really have much
Speaker 4: to lose at this point, like our marketing, we have
Speaker 4: not put a dollar into marketing, and like when the
Speaker 4: money has been put into marketing, it hasn't been done
Speaker 4: in the most proper ways to make us the most
Speaker 4: efficient brand out there. And unfortunately I haven't had to
Speaker 4: say in that side of the business.
Speaker 3: Well unfortunately, like not unfortunately, excuse me.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, unfortunately, I learned the hard way,
Speaker 5: but it is you learn that I should be thankful
Speaker 5: I learned right, But I learned the value of marketing
Speaker 5: over time, because brand is putting yourself in front of people.
Speaker 5: Sometimes people think, oh I have a great product, people
Speaker 5: are gonna know who I am. Okay, it's a very
Speaker 5: saturated world with the Internet and fake ads, Like you
Speaker 5: have to really put yourself.
Speaker 3: In front of people.
Speaker 5: And if you don't, I mean, this guy taught me
Speaker 5: like if I have to, you got to put yourself
Speaker 5: in front of people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, And I'm like here to do that,
Speaker 4: and like I'm ready to do that. That's just like
Speaker 4: a whole other frustration that I have and on a
Speaker 4: level of like, frustrations are still real and I still
Speaker 4: struggle with shit every fucking.
Speaker 3: Man like business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, trying.
Speaker 3: To make everyone understand everything is tough sometimes when it's
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 4: Know, different people, yeah, differently like both never mind, so
Speaker 4: not the best money he's putting in market. So I
Speaker 4: got a message the other day the guy went to
Speaker 4: one of the shops looking for our products and he's like,
Speaker 4: I couldn't find it. So I asked him for the strain,
Speaker 4: and then they just showed me the strain and it
Speaker 4: was that because it's cherry ploma, and I don't know
Speaker 4: like anybody in the state that's got cherry ploma. I
Speaker 4: never it's this friend of mine, Jared Token, who found
Speaker 4: that it's a raw genetics that is uh chopped cherry
Speaker 4: by Georgia pie. So and it's like it can like
Speaker 4: get like this pink. You can get like this pink
Speaker 4: hue inside, like if it's grown just right, the light right,
Speaker 4: leaf surface temperatures, like if everything is like everything fucking
Speaker 4: equals out, then it a good color. And blue.
Speaker 3: Perbs Man was my ship.
Speaker 5: Yeahs ever smoked good though he got like what you say,
Speaker 5: I said, that was pretty stuff to pull that up
Speaker 5: for sure, but that's all right.
Speaker 3: But even saying but just like he said, you just
Speaker 3: put the lid over, I was about pulling off. This
Speaker 3: guy blocks it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So you know, our marketing hasn't been the best.
Speaker 4: So what I tell people at the end of the
Speaker 4: day is when you go to these dispensaries looking for
Speaker 4: my flower, you just ask for the strain and like
Speaker 4: typically if it's like house Bud, that's probably mine. Or
Speaker 4: if it's like in a weird off brand label that
Speaker 4: somebody would like white label and put their own ship
Speaker 4: out there, then it might.
Speaker 5: Be that a lot of your stuff gets white labeled
Speaker 5: because we hear a lot like it's moved like that
Speaker 5: these days, because a lot of people we hear like
Speaker 5: some of these brands we've heard of.
Speaker 4: I think there's one dispensary in the state that honors
Speaker 4: that we are faded, and that's Green Tree. And I
Speaker 4: think he's got to shop and Ready and in cold Water.
Speaker 4: I think he's the only one. Yeah, absolutely, sorry.
Speaker 3: Wait where is it? Where's that writing and cold?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But sorry, I think they're the only ones that actually
Speaker 4: have like because the guys like watched me for my
Speaker 4: caregiver days to where I am today, Like he's always
Speaker 4: been kind of following me, and like he's the I
Speaker 4: think the only one that actually say honors faded everybody
Speaker 4: else there. My it's too good. It's gonna go like
Speaker 4: support to me, like you know, yeah, but my like
Speaker 4: literally like I I'm not trying to fucking toot my
Speaker 4: own horn to say, like when you told something enough times,
Speaker 4: like it's got to be true, and like I grow
Speaker 4: pretty good weed and.
Speaker 3: Then I struggle with imposter syndrome all the time.
Speaker 5: But like you just said, as a beautiful way to
Speaker 5: put this is sometimes when you're told things a million times,
Speaker 5: like all right, sometimes it's not your place to judge you,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, So just like accept it.
Speaker 4: It trusts me. It took me a long time to
Speaker 4: get here. I'm like it can't be like like you know,
Speaker 4: and I've always been humble, like that's my upbringing, myself
Speaker 4: a humble but this whole like leadership change and shift
Speaker 4: of me too is kind of like humble is just
Speaker 4: a creature of yourself. So like everything is and you
Speaker 4: got to be able to internal control everything. Like everything
Speaker 4: is about control and being able to control your own life,
Speaker 4: control your own outcomes. Control, Like the world doesn't happen
Speaker 4: to you, it happens for you, right I think I
Speaker 4: said that, right, Like yeah, it's it's a journey. But
Speaker 4: like again, I'm not trying to like be like potentials
Speaker 4: or anything, but I grow with a good weed, Like
Speaker 4: I like to smoke my own weed, and like I
Speaker 4: was my biggest fucking critic for the longest time and
Speaker 4: now it's hard for me to smoke other people's weed.
Speaker 4: It's literally taken me these events to open up my
Speaker 4: palette to other people's weed. Like I wasn't smoking on
Speaker 4: anyone's weeds since like twenty sixteen when I switched to Coco,
Speaker 4: Like that day I switched to Cocoa, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: had a papiot punch that I grew back then, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm never smoking anybody else's weed ever again.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I finally did it. I finally unlocked it.
Speaker 4: It took me from twenty two thousand and nine to
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen to finally like nail that where I was like,
Speaker 4: this is it in my like for me, it was
Speaker 4: it was getting out of Rockwell and getting into Coco,
Speaker 4: like that was the biggest change that I made at
Speaker 4: that point that I was like, damn, like that's where
Speaker 4: my flavor's been missing. That's when like the dude in
Speaker 4: twenty twelve who said you never grow good weed in
Speaker 4: rock Wull and I'm like, fuck d yes, I will.
Speaker 4: And I tried to struggle with it for four more
Speaker 4: years and then I switched the first day and try
Speaker 4: my first rain and I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: what he meant, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 4: was very stubborn, see at the time, So.
Speaker 3: I understand that man's game being subber man. I feel
Speaker 3: that well. I feel like unless you get.
Speaker 4: Much younger man back, you gotta fail. Like they like
Speaker 4: if we give you one piece.
Speaker 5: Of old by any means, but I just mean, like
Speaker 5: if you're I've taken a lot of risk and I fucked.
Speaker 3: Up line I've learned maybe exactly said.
Speaker 5: You got to mess up, you got to learn, you
Speaker 5: got to get through it, because it's that's the only
Speaker 5: one we out is.
Speaker 3: Through, right.
Speaker 4: I heard that saying, and that was back like you're
Speaker 4: gonna take a step back but embrace that step. Like
Speaker 4: the best thing we can do is be prepared for
Speaker 4: it when it happens, so we know how to handle
Speaker 4: it from moving forward, you know, Like that's the important
Speaker 4: to be, like to be a handle failure and handle struggle,
Speaker 4: is to be able to be prepared for it and
Speaker 4: then once we do it, when it does happen, it
Speaker 4: might not hit immediately, but eventually you're gonna be like that.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't for that, maybe I wouldn't be doing
Speaker 4: what I'm doing right now, right Like if I couldn't
Speaker 4: pass those math tests, like would I be a teacher
Speaker 4: right now? Or would I be a growing good ass weed?
Speaker 4: And like way, probably happier with my life that I
Speaker 4: am right now than no offense, but would have been
Speaker 4: with the teacher probably, Yeah, that's the whole butterfly, that
Speaker 4: millions of dollars on of weed instead of having my
Speaker 4: own to be happy about, you know.
Speaker 3: Like now you're leading events and you now, yeah, life evolves,
Speaker 3: and I try to tell him, and I struggle with
Speaker 3: im positive or my own thing.
Speaker 5: And I think sometimes when you actually worked hard to
Speaker 5: get somewhere, sometimes it's hard to beleeve that you might
Speaker 5: be with those players, you know, just you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: that's what it is. You know a lot of people
Speaker 5: out here selling garbage as like the best, and don't.
Speaker 4: Think like I haven't, Like I haven't made mistakes in
Speaker 4: the piece to Pass either, because that's part of it too,
Speaker 4: Like that's just as much failure as everything. Everything else
Speaker 4: is mistakes that we make and how we learn.
Speaker 3: From Your event looks like it's really about to pop off.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, but I mean.
Speaker 3: Like you said, and they compare to the last one.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's about I mean, and then I'm sure
Speaker 5: the first one, right, it's probably exponential to.
Speaker 4: You it is. It's amazing the amount of support that
Speaker 4: I get from it, and like the amount of feedback
Speaker 4: of people that hit me up for tickets, and like
Speaker 4: a lot of them. So I screen everybody, Like I
Speaker 4: ask anybody who's randomly asked me for a ticket, I
Speaker 4: asked them how they're involved in the industry, because that's
Speaker 4: the tickets are meant for. They're not meant for the
Speaker 4: public at this point. They're meant for people who are
Speaker 4: fucking out there doing it and like deserve to be
Speaker 4: fucking rewarded for the work that they do tender, but
Speaker 4: podcast are a bud tender. Uh, they like growers. Like
Speaker 4: That's that's when I started all of this. The goal
Speaker 4: was to fucking celebrate the grower, and it's just evolved
Speaker 4: into like the more the industry and we'll go back
Speaker 4: to the Growers Gala. I think that's gonna be the
Speaker 4: May event. It's gonna be Growers galaon number two, So
Speaker 4: that'll be a very grower eccentric event where like we're
Speaker 4: pushing like celebrate the grower, you know, and uh, the
Speaker 4: August event may evolve like I'm not sure, Like I'm
Speaker 4: still trying to that's a TVD right, Like that one
Speaker 4: might turn into more of a public event and like that,
Speaker 4: So that way brands will have a chance to showcase
Speaker 4: what they do to to the public and not just
Speaker 4: like to other brands or like dispensaries, but like to
Speaker 4: be able to hey, look, uh like these the people
Speaker 4: that want to pay the money to come to the event,
Speaker 4: like and like it's not even like I said, it's
Speaker 4: not about the money, but if these people want to
Speaker 4: put money in to go see and do something like this,
Speaker 4: then uh there's an opportunity for the brands to be
Speaker 4: able to display to those people who are passionate about
Speaker 4: doing something like this their products and then hopefully that
Speaker 4: drives better sales the dispensaries, right, because that's going to
Speaker 4: be the consumer that's going out there by it, Right,
Speaker 4: that's going to be the people that are uh influencing
Speaker 4: the most on it, And we're trying to evolve the
Speaker 4: consumer as well, right, Like it's unfortunate, but this still
Speaker 4: is a game of THHD percentage and the way the
Speaker 4: sales go throughout the market is based on THHC percentages,
Speaker 4: And there's games we have to play to be a
Speaker 4: cultivation to stay alive in this market.
Speaker 5: Like there's how we've heard tons of brands like that
Speaker 5: have to like throw as strains that they love because
Speaker 5: percentages it's just not strong enough. And it's like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So it's crazy.
Speaker 4: And again I'll be transparent about this. It really doesn't
Speaker 4: matter to me. There's games that I play and there's
Speaker 4: certain labs that give me the results that I'm looking for,
Speaker 4: and like there's no reason for me to change that
Speaker 4: when it means the difference between me getting a thousand
Speaker 4: and eleven twelve thirteen fourteen hundred a pound to eight
Speaker 4: seven fifty six hundred, right, Like it's a massive deal,
Speaker 4: Like that's a big jump, and like again, I'm just
Speaker 4: completely against the way that the system is, if not
Speaker 4: the system like the state, but the system of people's
Speaker 4: minds thinking THHD drives everything because we know, like Terpean's
Speaker 4: like are such a big part of a the entroage
Speaker 4: effect of everything that's going on is what matters at
Speaker 4: the end of the day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but again, and that's what I feel
Speaker 5: one hundred percent, and I think you know, you know,
Speaker 5: and unfortunately when you say play the game, it's like
Speaker 5: such a thing. That's like that's why we do need
Speaker 5: a standard so everyone could just be I wish there was.
Speaker 4: A standard, but it's just not going to happen. They're
Speaker 4: the infighting and the politics and the bureaucracy that goes
Speaker 4: into all that behind the scenes.
Speaker 5: Like, dude, the community doesn't know how much politics is
Speaker 5: in this game because they're not even I.
Speaker 4: Mean in fighting, the infighting, the fighting between people between companies.
Speaker 4: That's wasn't the fucking problem with a lot of this ship.
Speaker 4: Because they're fighting, they're going to a bunch, they're slitting
Speaker 4: each other, throat, but it was set up in it's
Speaker 4: in a system that was broken like having the for instance,
Speaker 4: labs being independent on their own and like cool, like
Speaker 4: good for all these labs that are out there doing it,
Speaker 4: But the states should have went about this in a
Speaker 4: more like it's got to pass these like state labs
Speaker 4: like these are individual companies that are profit driven versus
Speaker 4: something that would be like government backed or government ran
Speaker 4: that isn't necessarily worried about profit but getting results out there,
Speaker 4: right Like, So my frustration stems from this. So we
Speaker 4: had some product that was pulled off the shell in
Speaker 4: somebody else's label that was tested independently and an independent test,
Speaker 4: not by the state. The state did not do this.
Speaker 4: This is somebody that did it on their own. Took
Speaker 4: my product off the shelf, and a couple other big
Speaker 4: brands in the state. I'm not going to say names,
Speaker 4: but a couple of other big brands that are well
Speaker 4: known had the exact same thing happened at the exact
Speaker 4: same time. They took my product and they took their
Speaker 4: product off the shelf, tested it. It failed, so they
Speaker 4: put it on hold. So that means every dispensary that
Speaker 4: has that product can't sell it. Anything that I have
Speaker 4: in my inventory can't sell it.
Speaker 3: Oh damn you just that one batch.
Speaker 4: That one batch failed. So they sent that failure to
Speaker 4: the state. The state obviously analyzed it, put everything on
Speaker 4: hold immediately. It was on hold for probably twelve weeks.
Speaker 4: So now you're probably starting to degrade and sent on
Speaker 4: the shelves that dispensaries can't move it, they have to
Speaker 4: sit on it. They can't send it back to you,
Speaker 4: they transport, can't touch it. It's on hold. You can't
Speaker 4: do anything.
Speaker 3: It was just a batch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, No, it's the entire batch of the entire
Speaker 4: package source tag that would would have drived that product.
Speaker 4: So it drives all the way back to the original
Speaker 4: tag that's made for that off of the harvest.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So and this is all part of the monitoring system.
Speaker 4: So then the state sends their individual labs, like they
Speaker 4: go in contract labs to go take a sample and
Speaker 4: test it on themselves or tested themselves. So we had
Speaker 4: a lab come in, independent lab came in, took the sample,
Speaker 4: went so get to their lab and it passed. So
Speaker 4: the system's broken, right, there's there's super there's tons of inconsistencies.
Speaker 4: Here that unfortunately, we're just not going to get passed
Speaker 4: because there's too much policies behind it, and like that
Speaker 4: creates infighting between people and creates competition, It creates the
Speaker 4: wrong side. And if it creates competition, those businesses are
Speaker 4: trying to survive too. So if that means that it
Speaker 4: gets cut throat, why are we plus and minus ten percent?
Speaker 4: Like I understand, we've made that joke a million times,
Speaker 4: so it might get scientifically. Scientifically, I understand, but there's
Speaker 4: better methods, like and like you could have implemented these better.
Speaker 5: That's why we always talk about you know, cannabinoid's not
Speaker 5: trudgeffect and appreciating in different ways, not just to you,
Speaker 5: Like what is you value that smoke for?
Speaker 3: Like you know, I have different terms for different reasons.
Speaker 5: I have different smokes for different reasons, Right, I like
Speaker 5: to eat edibles at certain times, Like that's the beauty
Speaker 5: of this plant.
Speaker 3: People forget. There's so many parts.
Speaker 4: I like to smoke it joining in the morning with
Speaker 4: the coffee and a certain time, like correctly, exactly, it's
Speaker 4: about like that. As growers, we see the different ways
Speaker 4: of the plants grow like that in itself expressed expression, Right, Yeah, there's.
Speaker 5: So many different levels of what cannabis can do for you,
Speaker 5: and I think it's just learning how to appreciate every way.
Speaker 5: And I think you're you're very right that competition creates
Speaker 5: this need for something that can make it better because
Speaker 5: because unfortunately, sometimes when you just say you gotta smoke.
Speaker 3: It, people don't want that. They want their used to
Speaker 3: like this one's.
Speaker 5: Better because it's because of this, And like you know,
Speaker 5: I wonder efects brings a lot of gray area for people.
Speaker 4: I wonder to myself sometimes how niche that we are
Speaker 4: as like uh kind of sewer or like like people
Speaker 4: that care this much? Like like are we like what
Speaker 4: segment of the population are we actually are we like
Speaker 4: a very small percentage and we just don't even realize it.
Speaker 4: We're just like stuck in our little nische And.
Speaker 5: Like I think it's expanding, but I think it is
Speaker 5: a smaller percentage. Now I think I might be exaggerating,
Speaker 5: but it's only one percent. It might be like ten percent.
Speaker 5: But when you talk twenty percent when you talk about
Speaker 5: the general market, I always like that eighty twenty rule, right,
Speaker 5: So we're probably unfortunately the twenty less.
Speaker 3: I think we're less. I think we're like five.
Speaker 5: My point is not the majority here, because unfortunately the
Speaker 5: majority is like exactly. But that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 5: say is because they're used to be able to go, like,
Speaker 5: you know, I hate to compare it to everything else
Speaker 5: because I'm really getting sick of comparing it to like
Speaker 5: alcohol other things. Right, But people need some type of measurement.
Speaker 5: That's all they really want. Are you all compare it
Speaker 5: to food?
Speaker 3: Right? It just they want that measurement was that first
Speaker 3: one there? So it's just.
Speaker 4: And so again it's unfortunately re educate with some stuff
Speaker 4: here that's twenty four percent that like gets me rips
Speaker 4: and GMO comes thirty plus and that gets me ripped
Speaker 4: to but in a different way. Yeah you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, yeah, I'm not saying that like it's
Speaker 4: a stronger percentage, so it's getting me stronger high. No,
Speaker 4: it's it's like, and I get this is even a
Speaker 4: smaller segment of the population. Is the people that actually
Speaker 4: can smoke and understand the differences of what the flower
Speaker 4: is doing to you versus the people that smoke and.
Speaker 3: Are just like ripped right right, the just there they
Speaker 3: eat Yeah, yeah, that's a level.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. There's people in my family that like can't smoke.
Speaker 4: Like they see me smoke like I do and they're like,
Speaker 4: how do you do that?
Speaker 3: I'm like, do what dude in the.
Speaker 5: Morning like and my cousins be like what like when
Speaker 5: they see them, Like, I don't know, man, Relax, I'm fine.
Speaker 4: I get like I get worse without it, Like you'll
Speaker 4: see me get all up tight and like shit anxious.
Speaker 3: You ever have someone like just vent to you on
Speaker 3: how we makes them like, oh my god, I couldn't
Speaker 3: do that. I'd be so lazy. All right, Cool, I'm not.
Speaker 4: No. So I get like dads like because I got
Speaker 4: my kids are getting a little older, but I get
Speaker 4: dads that like want to smoke weed with me and like, dude,
Speaker 4: like it's.
Speaker 3: It's not good.
Speaker 4: It's never never as well, they're like they're like, seem
Speaker 4: to me to smoke a whole joint. They try to
Speaker 4: take three hits and then by the end of it
Speaker 4: their pale and like, yeah, this.
Speaker 3: Is a different game these days when you try to
Speaker 3: but you got to keep up. This is a vault. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, isn't like Reggie, I.
Speaker 4: Have to be like you have to understand this isn't
Speaker 4: the stuff that you get at the dispensary, Like, this
Speaker 4: isn't the ninety or the eighty sixty dollars ounce like,
Speaker 4: this is different.
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 4: I got a quality over quantity. Man, absolutely, well, so
Speaker 4: you can still do it and get your quantity. I
Speaker 4: still get quantity like.
Speaker 3: Like no, I just mean like it. I mean like
Speaker 3: sometimes the value of it. Oh yeah, getting the best deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah. It's not like I'm not correlating directly
Speaker 4: to girl.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I don't, girl. He's the perspective you
Speaker 3: can like in the girl sorry and the girl.
Speaker 4: I'm going back to the girls. I'm a girler at heart,
Speaker 4: Like should I do with the events? I do the
Speaker 4: advanced thing? Like I'm like, like, I'm super lucky to
Speaker 4: do the advance thing because what I get to do
Speaker 4: now is go into other people's growths. And like I
Speaker 4: just had a meeting with a guy in Kalamazoo Grass
Speaker 4: Harper Farms, and I walked into that room and I
Speaker 4: was like, guys like, man, like, I'm here represented advanced nutrients.
Speaker 4: But this is my story. This is why I'm actually here.
Speaker 4: I'm here not as a salesman. I'm here is for support,
Speaker 4: like or like just to like make the relationship and
Speaker 4: learn how you do it. Maybe I can take some
Speaker 4: information out of that, like learn some new things and
Speaker 4: tricks and ship that I don't already know because like
Speaker 4: I've it's hard to do impress me now, but it's
Speaker 4: still like one of my passions is to go into
Speaker 4: other people's grows and just see how they do it.
Speaker 4: Like that's like super like I truly think, Like.
Speaker 5: I mean, I do music and stuff, so I think
Speaker 5: whenever I'm talking to someone who does music right, there's
Speaker 5: always a unique perspective you can learn, whether it's actually
Speaker 5: something you're going to take to the bank or just like,
Speaker 5: oh that's an interesting you know, like I think there's.
Speaker 4: Somebody just helping, Like somebody has a problem me. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 4: like if you try this, or if you try that,
Speaker 4: or like like I said, I'm very like touching my senses.
Speaker 4: I remember one guy he was having an issue you
Speaker 4: could not figure it out for the life of him,
Speaker 4: and he like had me come to his grow and
Speaker 4: I went and I checked it out. I checked the
Speaker 4: spot out, like like it didn't take much for me.
Speaker 4: I just like looked up and like a field, there's
Speaker 4: more heat in that spot, and like there was like
Speaker 4: I forget it was a heat duck or a CO
Speaker 4: two generator or something like that. It was like right
Speaker 4: there off gassing and like hot, that's what it was,
Speaker 4: a CO two generator. Like is this Like it was obvious,
Speaker 4: like this is what your issue is like and like
Speaker 4: that's elementary right, Like, but there's just certain things that
Speaker 4: you just kind of pick up on and I don't know.
Speaker 5: But no experience, yeah, literally where you get to know
Speaker 5: something you're just kind of in tune, yeah, and then
Speaker 5: being able when you meet with all these other growers
Speaker 5: going with advance, you're to your stuff that you might
Speaker 5: take a little bit, but you're probably teaching them more
Speaker 5: and then they're probably.
Speaker 4: Even doing like yeah, it's like pick my brain, like sure,
Speaker 4: like some of these guys, I'm not saying this is
Speaker 4: this with far most, but some of these guys that
Speaker 4: are more beginner into this and need help, and like
Speaker 4: especially the younger generally, Like there's a younger generation too
Speaker 4: that we guys are like realizing that they're gonna start
Speaker 4: growing too. Like I'm about to be forty, but I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm in my twenties, but I realized that
Speaker 4: the dudes in their twenties are like almost twenty years
Speaker 4: younger than me. So like when I was twenty four
Speaker 4: doing this, they were like four. I'm like, so you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, so.
Speaker 5: I it and like this is another kind of yeah,
Speaker 5: why do you say it like that? So this is
Speaker 5: another kind of thing I think so much deeper.
Speaker 4: Man, It's another thing that's really been Like a similarity
Speaker 4: I keep seeing often is like, at least on the
Speaker 4: cultivation side, most growers are not older than fifty years old.
Speaker 4: Like I would say, like a good percentage of like
Speaker 4: license cultivations, like head growers, guys that are running are
Speaker 4: not past fifty years old, and like it's just a
Speaker 4: young man's game and a young man's industry, Like we
Speaker 4: are the stepping stone that are gonna be almost money.
Speaker 3: I kind of agree, but I do feel like there's
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, old cats growing, but only
Speaker 3: it might just be for obvious, it might be more
Speaker 3: for like I'm talking about licensed producers.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like like like Metric or like guys
Speaker 4: in the different states that are the license right. I
Speaker 4: would say a majority of the ages between the ages
Speaker 4: of probably thirty maybe I don't say twenty eight, thirty
Speaker 4: two to forty six.
Speaker 3: You're right, that's it.
Speaker 5: That makes sense because that's a lot of that master
Speaker 5: girw age because just where cannabis was and how it's populated.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's a young man's game.
Speaker 4: It is well, and I consider myself young. That's why
Speaker 4: I'm putting myself in a young man's game democratic because
Speaker 4: there's now the sixties, seventies, eighties year old that are
Speaker 4: out here. Sure they are, but they're like they're never
Speaker 4: doing it on the commercial scale.
Speaker 3: I was saying, I've seen more old school guys just
Speaker 3: be like.
Speaker 4: It's an old school guy exactly. And they are the
Speaker 4: they are the legacy, like they are the ones that
Speaker 4: got us going and got us to where we are today, right,
Speaker 4: they deserve all their due respect. Like that's what I was,
Speaker 4: what I have, what I started, but I ain't clarified enough.
Speaker 4: Like what I mean is like totally like on the
Speaker 4: license stage the average bringing up.
Speaker 5: Though, because you are you mean, you're seeing some of
Speaker 5: these master growers, like you said, their forty year old dudes,
Speaker 5: thirty year old, forty two.
Speaker 4: I don't love the term master grower, but but you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, no.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm saying I call them that because I
Speaker 5: mean like they're growing in a higher level, like a
Speaker 5: higher scam.
Speaker 3: That's what the people call them in the industry, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, is that still the terms? I feel like
Speaker 3: that's what that's what people I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, I don't I don't like being called master
Speaker 4: saying the head grower, headgrower, grow I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's always someone like, hey, this is our lead grow
Speaker 5: this is our head grower, this is our master grower.
Speaker 3: It's always something I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm the chief cultivation officer. I'm not the one
Speaker 4: that or the director of cultivation. That's the good one,
Speaker 4: the directors of cultivation, that's the one I should have
Speaker 4: used in the beginning, directing.
Speaker 5: Cultures got this lower the Hopefully I'll just keep pulling
Speaker 5: up different lower thirds.
Speaker 4: But like that, that's important. It's fun to know because
Speaker 4: like we are the ones that are going to train
Speaker 4: the future, like we are the ones the ones that
Speaker 4: are because there's nobody else that's kind of doing it
Speaker 4: for us except that sure these legacy guys like I said,
Speaker 4: and I could respect to everybody and the people that
Speaker 4: have been in it for a very long time, but
Speaker 4: I know growers that are in their early forties that
Speaker 4: have been doing this since like the early two thousands too,
Speaker 4: like the two thousand and three to one, right, or
Speaker 4: even like some of them that maybe started when they
Speaker 4: were like thirteen fourteen years old because they were parents
Speaker 4: were doing it, and then eventually it turned them into
Speaker 4: the California stage. Like that's that's been big cultivation for
Speaker 4: a long time. A lot of it obviously trap, but.
Speaker 3: Genetics, I mean, that's kind of like we're still in that.
Speaker 3: People forget how new this.
Speaker 5: I mean we talk about it like because we've been
Speaker 5: around in the industry so much, but relatively it's still.
Speaker 4: I would say, I don't know if I've been in
Speaker 4: one cultivation that's been like a dude that's like over
Speaker 4: fifty years old, that's like running the show. Yeah, owners, owners, owners,
Speaker 4: money behind.
Speaker 5: After dads or like, I just never really thought about
Speaker 5: it like that. But it's kind of a interesting fact
Speaker 5: you bring up because you're.
Speaker 4: It's a young man's game, so we have the opportunity
Speaker 4: to drive this industry and the direction we wanted to
Speaker 4: take it, and like if we are starting to understand
Speaker 4: that these younger guys, uh, they're going to be the
Speaker 4: people replacing us, Like we have to be good trainers
Speaker 4: and teachers with them too, Like it can't just be
Speaker 4: uh stuck in your way, stuck in your shell, Like
Speaker 4: it's important. So I gotta be ready to train that
Speaker 4: next generation because like as much as like I'm a
Speaker 4: four year old looking back looking at twenty year old
Speaker 4: train now being like that's it, that's that's the new generation.
Speaker 4: There are some good ones out there still though, like
Speaker 4: that's series. Yeah, no, just like they don't seem to
Speaker 4: have the same drive as some of us older full.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because this is what's funny though, every generation, like
Speaker 5: it's just easier for them.
Speaker 3: It's just easier. But I mean not like there's more.
Speaker 5: There's more.
Speaker 4: There's more information available for them than there was for
Speaker 4: me when I was there's.
Speaker 5: More opportunities possible if you have access to the information,
Speaker 5: because you said things could be self taught.
Speaker 3: Now I think that's kind of what you're pointing. It
Speaker 3: is that there's the ability to just write, there's abaility to.
Speaker 5: Like get ahead, like you know where I mean, it
Speaker 5: just took a lot more to nasty, No doubt.
Speaker 3: I heard you, Like nope, but I get you. It's
Speaker 3: kind of funny.
Speaker 4: Then it's just like it's it's just kind of it's
Speaker 4: strange to think about that, uh, that we are like
Speaker 4: in a situation that we are in an industry that
Speaker 4: that we are so and we're lucky to be doing
Speaker 4: what we're doing and not going to jail for it.
Speaker 4: That's that's the again.
Speaker 3: Then everyone thing there, You know, we got to ask
Speaker 3: you one question. I don't know if we got there.
Speaker 3: It's usually one of our last questions.
Speaker 5: Is there anything you want to say or anything like
Speaker 5: towards we get towards the end here, because I want
Speaker 5: to make sure you shout out anyone else? Do you
Speaker 5: want to shout out any like fam out there and homies.
Speaker 3: Like any of.
Speaker 4: My crew, like if I don't doubt any of them
Speaker 4: will hear this. But there's still fucking killers, like I
Speaker 4: appreciate them more than anybody's. Without them, I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to do the things that I do, and they're
Speaker 4: able to put my plan in place and and uh
Speaker 4: uh so yeah, there's them. There's my family that helps
Speaker 4: me with my events. And then there's all the like
Speaker 4: sponsors and the people that put money into pre rolls
Speaker 4: and dad bars and dowing up bars and like the
Speaker 4: people that helped me put this event on because like
Speaker 4: I can't just do it by myself. Like those guys
Speaker 4: I appreciate And so shout out to all of those
Speaker 4: anybody that's not any of my banners, Like I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna sit your name names, but they're all public people.
Speaker 5: You just give me a quick shout out because like
Speaker 5: sometimes you never know who we'll hear it. And like, honestly,
Speaker 5: just like that energy out there is just like I
Speaker 5: love to just shout out the homies.
Speaker 3: You got a lot of great brands. Good right man.
Speaker 3: I love seeing all those names out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's again, I.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: You build these these relationships through professionals them and like
Speaker 4: being authentic, being yourself, always being on treating everybody the
Speaker 4: same and everybody's equals. Like nobody is a blower above me.
Speaker 4: And that's like, and there's no top of the bank,
Speaker 4: there's no top of the mountain. You're always climbing, and
Speaker 4: the day that you can think you reach the top
Speaker 4: is the day they get knock great off. So just
Speaker 4: keep climbing.
Speaker 3: That's true, do your thing. But we got to ask
Speaker 3: the fun question. Yeah yeah, So we asked every guest
Speaker 3: to this, every guest that's been on. Uh so obviously
Speaker 3: you love your flower.
Speaker 2: So imagine you're breaking up some of your bud knock
Speaker 2: it out, and the genie pops out and you get
Speaker 2: one wish. He grants you one wish to change anything
Speaker 2: in the cannabis industry.
Speaker 4: Change anything in the cannabis industry. Oh man, I wish
Speaker 4: I would have watched the previous episodes, so I would
Speaker 4: have been like, oh, this is.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 5: It's always it's funny though no one has just like
Speaker 5: remembers are like a couple of people maybe, so this.
Speaker 4: Is actually pretty easy for me. It's it's too it's
Speaker 4: my mission. It is to change the professionalism throughout the industry,
Speaker 4: just to raise everybody to another level, to uh not
Speaker 4: have this bullshit that goes on money withheld, you know,
Speaker 4: the drama, like just to truth to raise this And
Speaker 4: it's probably all industries that are like this. We just
Speaker 4: I just see it in my industry because I'm not
Speaker 4: in automotive or whatever else.
Speaker 5: But like I do feel like they're because of this
Speaker 5: gray area. People are not paying their bills as they
Speaker 5: should because there is this gray area.
Speaker 3: But likes.
Speaker 4: We go on for days, that's what.
Speaker 5: But this industry I'm saying, like because usually you would
Speaker 5: just see it, but you can sometimes there's gray so you.
Speaker 4: Can see somebody, but it doesn't mean you can actually
Speaker 4: get cost how much money? So sometimes you can't ford
Speaker 4: to do skip tracing at one point in my life
Speaker 4: and I'm like chasing debt down and I'm like, you
Speaker 4: consume is time and that's what is at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, the most valuable thing, Like time is
Speaker 4: like we all have the same amount of hours in
Speaker 4: the day. Nobody gets any action, nobody gets anything. Like
Speaker 4: if I can spend my time more at home, you know,
Speaker 4: like with my family, raise my kids, then that's what
Speaker 4: I would rather do, or traveling or something.
Speaker 5: And really, I guess I'm totally off. I guess I
Speaker 5: should have said cola because it's really this like, hey,
Speaker 5: i'll pay for it later thing because a lot of
Speaker 5: times when you eat a product, you just pay for it.
Speaker 5: That's what I should have led with because I wasn't
Speaker 5: gonna say that thereafter, Yeah, because because like what industry
Speaker 5: does that, and I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4: And it's hard on everybody. It's not just hard on
Speaker 4: one person, Like it's not just hard on you, it's
Speaker 4: hard on everybody. It's hard on every sector right now.
Speaker 4: It's not just like just one way street of oh
Speaker 4: my god, Like we all need to be in it
Speaker 4: to help each other, and like if we were able
Speaker 4: to raise that professionalism up a little bit more, then
Speaker 4: maybe we'd be like not having the stigmas.
Speaker 2: That we do.
Speaker 4: And like, I don't know if it happens as much
Speaker 4: anymore as it used to, But I came up in
Speaker 4: a time where like you didn't tell people what you did,
Speaker 4: Like I didn't tell people what I did until I
Speaker 4: got license, and I like started to be like I
Speaker 4: don't fucking care anymore. I'm not going to jail for
Speaker 4: this anymore, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Like it's legal, legal, we can run it.
Speaker 4: So I think that would be it, you know, or
Speaker 4: like a bunch of weed whenever I want it, and
Speaker 4: I don't have to go fucking do all that hard
Speaker 4: ass work anymore, right, Like my guys are fucking great,
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, my guys are great at this
Speaker 4: work is not below me whatsoever. But I've been picking leaves,
Speaker 4: I've been cutting clones, I've been topping plants, I've been watering,
Speaker 4: I've been fucking blocking steaks. Make sure there's certain plants.
Speaker 4: Like I'm very like I'm like per perfect perfectionist as
Speaker 4: well like or per looking perfectionism, Like I want everything perfect,
Speaker 4: but I realized there's no such thing as perfect. So
Speaker 4: it's like a fucking never any battle. So I want
Speaker 4: to always see everything the way that I want it.
Speaker 4: But anyways, that's would be the other thart, Like let
Speaker 4: me fucking like save my back. I love what I do.
Speaker 4: I don't get me wrong. I love what I do.
Speaker 4: I love being in the garden.
Speaker 3: Have the blud right there. You don't go through the
Speaker 3: whole process, just your quality perfectly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go. This is not a slight smit dudes
Speaker 4: or anything like that. Like we could grow good weed
Speaker 4: and like it's just all the work that goes into it.
Speaker 4: Let me even fucking back that up a little bit more.
Speaker 4: How about like I could have my own grow in
Speaker 4: my own town, Like that would be sick, Like I
Speaker 4: have a grow where I live where I got to
Speaker 4: drive five minutes to work, so like, yeah, we need
Speaker 4: to expand those two. Like twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen,
Speaker 4: I was in Ionia, so that's four years driving ninety miles.
Speaker 4: Then I went to Jackson, so that was another three
Speaker 4: years of driving fifty five miles. Now I'm in Mount Morris,
Speaker 4: which is just outside the Clio Speedway, Like I'm like
Speaker 4: a mile, like less than a mile away from like
Speaker 4: the old High Times cups. That's fifty miles away. So
Speaker 4: like I've been driving since twenty fourteen. Like if I
Speaker 4: could have a grow in my own town, I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it right here.
Speaker 5: It's hilarious because honestly, I bet you every grower can
Speaker 5: relate to I think so too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like driving fifty miles there back talking about.
Speaker 4: Some of the things that harden you driving all that.
Speaker 3: Cold too, it didn't matter, like the power out. You're
Speaker 3: fucking going to work.
Speaker 4: Dude, Like that's where I was off. I can't I
Speaker 4: remember Thanksgiving that I looked at my cameras, my plans
Speaker 4: were drew because my irrigation didn't go off, and I
Speaker 4: was like, motherfucker is Thanksgiving and I had to drive
Speaker 4: all the way to fucking I on you.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh damn man, Like that was fucking.
Speaker 4: Like it's the grind road. But again, they hardened me,
Speaker 4: got me to where I am today, and like I
Speaker 4: wouldn't be as good of a cultivator I am as
Speaker 4: I am today without those fucking hard times.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, those built you man. We could be talking
Speaker 3: all day, man. I appreciate it. We we we definitely.
Speaker 3: We did a ninety minute episode. Yeah, we definitely. Well,
Speaker 3: we'll bring you back on later in the year. This
Speaker 3: is a good check.
Speaker 2: I know he was faded, like, you're very knowledgeable to
Speaker 2: feel very nogealle growing up, very fun. I'm excited for
Speaker 2: your upcoming advent in January. So thank you Michigan uh
Speaker 2: Presents or it's.
Speaker 4: Michigan man Man's Mission Man Present the.
Speaker 3: Crowd smoke because that's crazy. Yeah, I always been there
Speaker 3: for drinks.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it'sna be really fun. So
Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3: Thanks to them out Instagram. Where can they find you?
Speaker 4: Michigan mat too, because you know Instagram is the fucking
Speaker 4: Devil and Ticks ship. But I appreciate all the followers.
Speaker 4: I appreciate everybody that gives all the support on Instagram.
Speaker 4: That's like it's still a driving force of the industry,
Speaker 4: and that's another one of those necessary evils.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and that's that's why those those restrictions got
Speaker 5: a lifetime because it's silly, because it's such a driving
Speaker 5: industry and safe banking. We talk about these things all
Speaker 5: the time because they don't make sense. You're making it
Speaker 5: so hard for these businesses just to survive, so you forced.
Speaker 5: I think it almost adds to that cutthroating earlier.
Speaker 3: But like it is.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I know we're rving up with two things. I
Speaker 4: just talked to my daughter and today about banking and
Speaker 4: like why we have to go to New Hudson from
Speaker 4: Brighton to go to the bank. She's like, why can't
Speaker 4: you just go to Chase Here we go, So this
Speaker 4: is why. So do you understand the difference between federal
Speaker 4: law and state I really have this conversation today.
Speaker 3: It's such a and this is on the things people
Speaker 3: don't understand, like oh, it's legal, Like okay, it is.
Speaker 5: Ish, Like there's still a lot going on and there's
Speaker 5: still a lot of things that we just need to
Speaker 5: figure out. And I think that's why I said I
Speaker 5: like events like it was because they keep the future
Speaker 5: and the evolution going.
Speaker 3: Absolutely got to keep the innovation going. Yeah, it's good,
Speaker 3: not working man, no doubt. Appreciate you, Oh yeah, so,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I appreciate you. Thank you, Michigan man. Groove
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Speaker 3: Appreciate you and as always we're here to advocate, educate
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