Speaker 1: Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your
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Speaker 2: Van McMahon, Van McMahan, that is duding all the land
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Speaker 2: the man.
Speaker 3: All right, Richard Smith not a half hour from now.
Speaker 1: Smithy spent forty years with Utah Jazz front office. He's
Speaker 1: already here and he is about to take me to
Speaker 1: task for my opinion last year that the Jazz were
Speaker 1: doing the right thing tanking for.
Speaker 3: Their lottery luck.
Speaker 1: But our next guest, you know him, you love him,
Speaker 1: Tim McMahon, Tuesday afternoon. All right, Tim, the whole thing
Speaker 1: is rich, The whole thing is fixed. The Jazz did
Speaker 1: the right thing. Yeah, they fell to five. How are you, buddy,
Speaker 1: County partner.
Speaker 4: I know it's a gloomy day in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 5: I'm in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 4: It didn't work out the way they wanted to eat it,
Speaker 4: with the Philly pick moving up into the top three,
Speaker 4: So Donner and Oak get their hands number seventh. My
Speaker 4: hometown's excited though. They liked the way that lottery worked out.
Speaker 4: Oh mav was just falling ass backwards into the number
Speaker 4: one overall pick. After months after traded generational talent, here's
Speaker 4: a gift of another one. So yeah, you know, I
Speaker 4: can imagine that you folks are a little bit perturbed
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 1: It is literally rainy and like forty eight degrees, so
Speaker 1: it is cloudy, it is cold. It is perfect for
Speaker 1: what today has brought with our local basketball fans. But tim,
Speaker 1: let me, I mean, look, obviously I'm being facetious. You know,
Speaker 1: what happened last night, ironically was the most likely outcome
Speaker 1: for the Jazz, about a forty eight percent chance to
Speaker 1: get that number five.
Speaker 3: It's called a lottery for a reason.
Speaker 1: But of course it is kind of a rite of
Speaker 1: passage for an NBA fan base that feels like they've
Speaker 1: been screwed to scream foul. So for Jazz fans that
Speaker 1: believe the fixes in what do you have to say?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not going to get into conspiracy theory stuff.
Speaker 4: I believe there are two Salt Lake City based reporters
Speaker 4: that were in the lottery drawing room. I would invite
Speaker 4: you to read the coverage of Andy B. Larson and
Speaker 4: Sarah Todd. I mean, I'm pretty sure if there was
Speaker 4: a conspiracy that would have screwed the Utah Jazz. I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure they would have covered it in you know,
Speaker 4: in their reporting.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was just what.
Speaker 4: A storyline, what an insane outcome, and what a bummer
Speaker 4: for the Jazz fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nandy was our guest earlier on the on the show,
Speaker 1: and to your point, he was in the room and
Speaker 1: talked to Justin Zannak.
Speaker 3: I thought, Xana Candle it really well.
Speaker 1: And like I said, when you look at the odds,
Speaker 1: what happened last night was the most likely outcome. So
Speaker 1: before we move over to the bigger story, which is
Speaker 1: what it means for the MAVs and potentially some player
Speaker 1: movement and such. And I am like you where when
Speaker 1: it comes to who the number five pick should be,
Speaker 1: I'll read Jonathan Cavoni or some of the guys at
Speaker 1: the Athletic. So just instead of me asking you to
Speaker 1: nail down a name, just what sort of value is
Speaker 1: your understanding that will be there for the Jazz at five.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look.
Speaker 4: Obviously, number one is clear cut, far and away the
Speaker 4: easiest decision in this draft. There's a generational talent there.
Speaker 4: I think number two seems to be pretty concrete and
Speaker 4: then things get a leal, it gets to be more
Speaker 4: in the in the eye of the beholder. There have
Speaker 4: been a lot of great players pick for the fifth
Speaker 4: overall pick. There have been a lot of guys who
Speaker 4: didn't end up having star caliber careers. You know, we'll
Speaker 4: see where this ends up for the Jazz. Who I'm
Speaker 4: sure the Jazz have had the fifth overall pick. When
Speaker 4: Dante's in the fifth overall pick.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yes he was, Tim, Thanks for bringing that up.
Speaker 1: Last time the Jazz pick five, it was Dante.
Speaker 4: Hey, so it's the guy.
Speaker 5: Who's got an ownership shared.
Speaker 4: Delane Wade brooked up pretty well for the Miami Heat,
Speaker 4: so you know, it's kind of there's a wide spectrum there.
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Charles Barkley was a number five pick. Look,
Speaker 1: you can get value at five. I mean, hell Yokich
Speaker 1: forty two. We could keep going down the list, Like
Speaker 1: while it feels like Chicken little, this guy is falling.
Speaker 3: You never know how this stuff is going to play out.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you one more Jazz question before
Speaker 1: we move on, because you hear a lot of reports
Speaker 1: and Shams himself was on television yesterday saying he is
Speaker 1: hearing the Jazz are going to be very active and
Speaker 1: aggressive even if they didn't get one or two, they're
Speaker 1: going to try to move up. And you're reporting the
Speaker 1: MAVs have no interest in trading one, and I completely
Speaker 1: get it. I wouldn't either, But can you illuminate our
Speaker 1: market out here as to whether or not you have
Speaker 1: any understanding of now we know where the Jazz will draft,
Speaker 1: what do you think this offseason looks like?
Speaker 4: Well, I think this all season is going to first
Speaker 4: have to there's gonna be a lot of internal discussions
Speaker 4: because clearly they picked a route this year and took
Speaker 4: a risk this year that didn' not have the intended reward,
Speaker 4: did not come close to the intended reward, And then
Speaker 4: I think, you know, they're really going to have to
Speaker 4: have some serious discussions debate whatever it may be about
Speaker 4: whether it is a rational, irrational and and and smart
Speaker 4: approach to basically repeat to to kind of run it
Speaker 4: back and aim for the number one overall pick again
Speaker 4: next year, or whether that's counterproductive, whether you're you know,
Speaker 4: how much damage are you doing in the developmental process,
Speaker 4: all those kind of things. I think it's a rational approach.
Speaker 4: I also think it's extraordinary risky. And again the risk
Speaker 4: is number one. Even for the worst record of league,
Speaker 4: the most likely spot is going to be fifth. Uh.
Speaker 4: But the risk is also like, are you just stunning
Speaker 4: the development of the young players that you already have
Speaker 4: on board?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 4: There's not an it's not like it's.
Speaker 5: An easy solution here.
Speaker 4: They're in a tough spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah they are, Yeah they are.
Speaker 1: And we'll see what sort of magic Danny and jay
Speaker 1: Z can execute and hopefully give this thing turned around
Speaker 1: prior to twenty forty five, because that's the way everybody
Speaker 1: feels around here. But of course, Tim, the one team
Speaker 1: that could have grabbed number one to lead the entire
Speaker 1: country to scream foul was the team that grabbed number
Speaker 1: one with the Dallas Maverick. So of course you know
Speaker 1: Dallas better than probably any media member out there. I
Speaker 1: want to know what went through your mind when you
Speaker 1: saw that that was the deal and where you're at
Speaker 1: with it now, you know about a day later, I.
Speaker 4: Just started cracking up, to be honest with you, I'm like,
Speaker 4: you have got to be kidding me. And you know,
Speaker 4: I've heard some people say, who does this prove that
Speaker 4: Nigo Harrison made the right decision on MI. Come on, like, folks.
Speaker 4: What this does is bailed out the franchise from what
Speaker 4: appeared to be a disastrous trade. And when they made
Speaker 4: that trade, to plan wasn't like, well, man, let's make this.
Speaker 5: Trade to win. A lot of the plane was let's make.
Speaker 4: The straight and win a championship this season, which obviously
Speaker 4: didn't happen for a variety of reasons. And then they
Speaker 4: just fell ass backwards into unbelievably good fortune. And you know,
Speaker 4: look if the tanking teams, the outright tankers, the full
Speaker 4: season tankers got punished and got you know, if Carmel
Speaker 4: was a factor there, I don't see how the Matericks
Speaker 4: ended up with the first overall pick. But what this
Speaker 4: does is it totally bails them out a fan base
Speaker 4: that was outraged, that had been apathetic, It was just
Speaker 4: kind of turning toward apathy.
Speaker 5: Well, those folks are going to be excited again. They're
Speaker 5: going to be on board.
Speaker 4: They've not not just a generational talent, but an extraordinarily
Speaker 4: marketable talent. The long term concerns, oh, you traded your
Speaker 4: pitch from twenty seven to thirty building around Luca building
Speaker 4: that final time around Luca. What happens at the end
Speaker 4: of this read a four year time frame. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 4: we're going to be given up top three, top five picks. Well,
Speaker 4: I don't think you have to worry about that now.
Speaker 4: You just got a gifted, an eighteen year old generational
Speaker 4: talent that you can build around for. You know, they
Speaker 4: hope the next fifteen to twenty years.
Speaker 1: And as you reported, you know, because it was interesting,
Speaker 1: Like I listened to your guy Wendy last night and
Speaker 1: then watching stuff on ESPN today, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation about what And I called this earlier today.
Speaker 3: I called last.
Speaker 1: Night one of the most consequential nights literally in the
Speaker 1: in NBA history.
Speaker 3: And only time will tell.
Speaker 1: It's the Tatum injury, it's the next getting a win,
Speaker 1: It's the lottery going down the way that it did.
Speaker 1: It's maybe Gianness is available, maybe Boston breaks it down.
Speaker 1: We'll get to San Antonio too. But you're reporting Dallas
Speaker 1: is not going to move off of one and they
Speaker 1: are going to draft Cooper Flag.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And like I'm not sure what Nico Harrison's
Speaker 4: thoughts are, to be honest with you, but I'm telling
Speaker 4: you that that doesn't matter. Patrick Dumont, who just finished
Speaker 4: his first year as the MAVs governor, who had the
Speaker 4: thing blow up in his face, who was looking at
Speaker 4: bleeding money for the foreseeable future, is not going to
Speaker 4: entertain We thought of potentially trading this pick for one second.
Speaker 4: Cooper Flag will be under Dallas Mavericks. Again, this is
Speaker 4: a gift. Course they ain't looking at the mouth. This
Speaker 4: solves their massive business wows. It certainly mitigates the long
Speaker 4: term concerns of being out all those picks. Cooper Flag will.
Speaker 5: Be in Dallas.
Speaker 1: And I know you reference the portion of the intrawebs
Speaker 1: that actually believe this was Nico Harrison playing chessnut checkers,
Speaker 1: which is beyond dumb.
Speaker 3: But let me ask you. Are MAVs fans now.
Speaker 1: In a place where they, I don't know, don't want
Speaker 1: to show up at his house so he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to have security. Is this completely removing the heat from
Speaker 1: nie O Harrison as it pertains the way MAVs fans
Speaker 1: are feeling today.
Speaker 4: I you know, I don't think that it solves his
Speaker 4: relationship with the the fan base, but it does solve
Speaker 4: the will people show up to you know, to games
Speaker 4: next year, will people tune in on TV to watch
Speaker 4: this team? Look, Nico, he put himself in a spot
Speaker 4: where he's going to be the guy who backstabbed Luca. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know that's a Luca is always going to be
Speaker 4: beloved in Dallas. I don't know that fans are going
Speaker 4: to you know, they're they're they're not going to be uh,
Speaker 4: they're you know, they're they're not going to be chanting
Speaker 4: give Nico a raise. I can tell you that whether
Speaker 4: there's fired Nico chance or not again next year, I
Speaker 4: can't say, but I would say this is a this
Speaker 4: is a stroke of massive luck that I do think
Speaker 4: will absolutely change the vibe around the franchise. And what
Speaker 4: I think will happen is Nico Harrison will no longer
Speaker 4: be a focal point for fans fair.
Speaker 3: Enough, so then it gets interest in it too.
Speaker 1: With san Antonio, And you know, everything I read about
Speaker 1: Dylan Harper and everything I've watched about Dylan Harper indicates
Speaker 1: that he's gonna he has a chance to be really good. Now,
Speaker 1: these are all young players, and you never know how
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out. San Antonio, you know, at this point,
Speaker 1: is in a really really advantageous spot because of all
Speaker 1: of the assets they have not just now and moving forward,
Speaker 1: and some really exciting young players, and you know, does
Speaker 1: Dylan Harper provide some redundancy after acquiring dearon Fox? And
Speaker 1: you have Stefan Castle like they san Antonio, I mean,
Speaker 1: Dallas is the clear winner. But san Antonio comes out
Speaker 1: of this once again in a really great spot. Of course,
Speaker 1: the conversation turns to Giannis and anyone else that could
Speaker 1: be available, and you put Giannis next to when but
Speaker 1: Yama it feels like it's completely unfair.
Speaker 3: But what do you think the Spurs do it too?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: You know, miss Johnson now they're head coach. Uh talked
Speaker 4: to the media last night and he's the way he
Speaker 4: phrased it was that puts them in position to make
Speaker 4: a really big acquisition. I thought that was a very
Speaker 4: interesting phrase. And I definitely think that they've got you know,
Speaker 4: they've got two out of picks too, and what is
Speaker 4: it fourteen? I believe you know, they've got young talent
Speaker 4: on some of that young talents on its second contract.
Speaker 4: So there's the you know, they've got plenty of flexibility
Speaker 4: and assets. They've got extra picks down the road to Atlantis,
Speaker 4: which has some value, some significant value. I think the
Speaker 4: second of ball pick is absolutely in play. Now, It's
Speaker 4: not in play for anybody. I think it's in play
Speaker 4: for the honest and you know, the honest Wimby fit
Speaker 4: Holy moly, boy, Like for all the reasons Brook Lopez
Speaker 4: and Jiannis. You know Brook Lopez is complimented Jannie so well,
Speaker 4: Wimby does that has a superstar skills package? Like are
Speaker 4: you kidding me? Defensively you want to try to score
Speaker 4: on the bat tandem and then offensively when we can
Speaker 4: space out to thirty open it up for you, honest,
Speaker 4: and then also have the ability to be a go
Speaker 4: to guy. Like if that happens, it could be pretty
Speaker 4: being scary.
Speaker 1: So the other teams that I've heard and I've heard
Speaker 1: you guys talk about this on the collective, Houston, of course,
Speaker 1: that had a great regular season, advanced to the postseason
Speaker 1: probably ahead of schedule for most, certainly for me. And
Speaker 1: then Oklahoma City, which of course is going to be
Speaker 1: in the mix because of all the assets they have
Speaker 1: and all the great young players they have. So does
Speaker 1: this feel like Milwaukee can just kind of sit back
Speaker 1: and say make us your best offer, and a bidding
Speaker 1: war could ensue for Giannis.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that Jannis is going to have significance
Speaker 4: say on where he goes, and I think that there
Speaker 4: was an understanding when he signed this last extension if
Speaker 4: it reached that point that they wouldn't they wouldn't trade
Speaker 4: him without giving him some say. My anticipation is number one,
Speaker 4: we don't know for certain that you honest is gonna
Speaker 4: ask to be moved, But should he do so, I
Speaker 4: think he will give them a probably a very short list,
Speaker 4: and I think the Bucks will respect his wishes and
Speaker 4: operate off that list. And you know, we'll see maybe
Speaker 4: those teams that you just mentioned are on the list,
Speaker 4: and then they you know, it does become the highest bitterer,
Speaker 4: uh type of situation. I would tell you this. I
Speaker 4: think it is ill advised to assume that Oklahoma City Thunder,
Speaker 4: the Oklahoma City Thunder will be involved here. They could
Speaker 4: if they could be right. They obviously have the assets.
Speaker 4: But I number one, okay See might be you know,
Speaker 4: about a month away from a parade in Bricktown, but
Speaker 4: I will be surprised if oka See makes a core
Speaker 4: altering trade this summer. I could be wrong, not guarantee
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen. I would be surprised.
Speaker 1: So the Tatum news, which became official about an hour ago,
Speaker 1: and it just it sucks. I mean, entering the prime
Speaker 1: of a career that's already been incredibly successful, and he
Speaker 1: was so good at the Garden before going down with
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left. You know, Mark Spears today
Speaker 1: said something that was interesting that he was told based
Speaker 1: off of new ownership in Boston, based off of payroll
Speaker 1: next year that's like two hundred and twenty four million,
Speaker 1: and you know second Apron, you know, economic liabilities with
Speaker 1: a punitive nature of the way the CBA is laid
Speaker 1: out that there were going to be changes in Boston anyway,
Speaker 1: and now the Tatum thing probably changes the entire scope
Speaker 1: I guess of the approach.
Speaker 3: Is there a chance that a Jalen Brown is available?
Speaker 3: Is there a chance that Derek White is available?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: What do you think happens in Boston this offseason? And
Speaker 1: who are the players that could potentially get involved? You
Speaker 1: grab maybe some of the pieces they decide to shed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been pretty well understood throughout the league that
Speaker 4: this up to sort of make some sort of cost
Speaker 4: cutting move this summer. Drew Holiday, frankly is the one
Speaker 4: that hurt most often as the possibility. Obviously when you're
Speaker 4: looking at age, that makes sense, but you know, whether
Speaker 4: it's him, whether it's you know, Porzingis, whether it's Janson
Speaker 4: Brown would be the most.
Speaker 5: Surprised to me, just because you know of the age.
Speaker 4: But he's the biggest contract out of the non Tatum guys.
Speaker 4: What this does is basically what Boston is not going
Speaker 4: to repeat champions probably knocks them out of real contention
Speaker 4: next year, but they're still going to have a chance
Speaker 4: to contend the championships during the Tatum during the Tatum era,
Speaker 4: he's twenty seven, just turned twenty seven. She has to
Speaker 4: enter in his prime. The medical technology is better than
Speaker 4: it's ever been, you know. Kevin Durant is kind of
Speaker 4: exhibit a of just how strong guys can come back
Speaker 4: from Achilles these days. And he's going to be six
Speaker 4: foot time, you know, with a great NBA body with
Speaker 4: extraordinarily skill. I don't think Jason Tatum's days is a
Speaker 4: superstar done by any stretch, but this is obviously a
Speaker 4: massive blow to the Celtics over the next you know,
Speaker 4: two playoff cycles, and there's going to be big changes
Speaker 4: at Boston roster.
Speaker 1: Now to your earlier point, a lot of the off
Speaker 1: season will be colored by the remainder of the postseason,
Speaker 1: which leads me to Cleveland. And I suppose if you're Cleveland,
Speaker 1: you can say, well, Darius wasn't right, we lost DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hunter and Evan Mobley, and you know, you can lean
Speaker 1: back on the injury stuff and the health stuff because
Speaker 1: by every metric, they had a historic regular season. Donovan
Speaker 1: Mitchell knows a thing or two about having historic regular seasons,
Speaker 1: and it looks like he is about to go home
Speaker 1: again after the second round.
Speaker 3: Is there a pivot in Cleveland?
Speaker 1: Did they look at these four and say, maybe it
Speaker 1: doesn't work or are they going to run it back?
Speaker 5: I would way draw on them running it back. You know, they.
Speaker 4: Obviously they didn't hitot last year and changed coaches, But
Speaker 4: from a roster standpoint, they didn't pivot last season. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't think you can just chalk this uping with
Speaker 4: other's injuries and whatnot. Like, look, it looks like they're
Speaker 4: going to exit in the second round. That's a massive
Speaker 4: disappointment given the success they had in the regular season,
Speaker 4: which raises the standard. I think you've got to give
Speaker 4: it at least another year and say, hey, they showed
Speaker 4: during the regular season, this can be a contending caliber team.
Speaker 4: Didn't happen like you wanted to in the playoffs, But
Speaker 4: let's give this group another year, especially a group where
Speaker 4: you know, I think there's reasonable belief that Evan Mobley
Speaker 4: will continue to grow and develop and evolve as a player,
Speaker 4: and you know that there's a lot more upside to
Speaker 4: be had there.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to say that it's Indiana and New
Speaker 1: York and Eastern Conference Finals?
Speaker 4: I mean, certainly that's where I would put my bets.
Speaker 4: How's that for going on all in with those teams
Speaker 4: up three to one and there being injury issues on
Speaker 4: the teams that are down three to one. I mean,
Speaker 4: it would be shocking at this point. And it's funny
Speaker 4: because if it hasn't gone in this series, how to
Speaker 4: laugh at the possibility. But it's it certainly looks like
Speaker 4: that's what we're looking at. Middy Miller, you know, get
Speaker 4: all the old Regi Miller clips out Regi Miller versus
Speaker 4: Spike Lee and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: It looks like we're gonna get a repeat that.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: No part of me ever thought, you know, and mostly
Speaker 1: it was because of how much I respected Boston. But
Speaker 1: things have changed, and so we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 1: We'll end with the game you're on tonight. But before
Speaker 1: we get there, uh, you know, I felt like Golden
Speaker 1: State just needed to get one. You ball, Steph was
Speaker 1: on the sideline, and now it just kind of feels like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's possible for them to get
Speaker 1: Steph back and what's realistic to expect? But do you
Speaker 1: think they closed it out going back to the Twin Cities?
Speaker 4: I would think so. I mean, without staff, it's just
Speaker 4: a struggle for no Warriors to score. The thunder Wolves
Speaker 4: are obviously playing with an extreme amount of confidence. And
Speaker 4: you know, according to esp and research, when Rudy Gobert
Speaker 4: has a close, that opportunity against the guy who's made
Speaker 4: a point of humiliating and during this season, he averages
Speaker 4: twenty seven points to twenty four rebounds, So look out.
Speaker 1: Dray mom Well said, all right, what do you think
Speaker 1: happens tonight? This Nuggets okay series, okayc series has been
Speaker 1: awesome and I don't even know which way to lean
Speaker 1: at this point, Tim, So where are you at with
Speaker 1: this series and how do you think tonight plays out?
Speaker 3: Before I set you loose?
Speaker 4: Well, it's been an awesome competition. The game four, honestly
Speaker 4: was awful to watch, So let's not lie. That's I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there watching that thing in person, and my eyeballs
Speaker 4: are still acheen. And it's a really tough spot for
Speaker 4: the Nuggets, man. Honestly, the silver lining for them is
Speaker 4: they were able to salvage a win during this stretch.
Speaker 4: Has been the worst shooting three game one of Nukoleoki's career,
Speaker 4: and look, man, jokers capable of coming out tonight and
Speaker 4: giving you the forty two, fourteen and fourteen or whatever.
Speaker 4: He's that good, he's that great. But man, they're playing
Speaker 4: him tough. F TI's back for the Nuggets. They're not deep,
Speaker 4: They're an older team. Eight games, fifteen nights. It's a really,
Speaker 4: really tough spot for Denver against a team that won
Speaker 4: sixty eight games and best point difference from NBA history
Speaker 4: and goes ten deep by the start of every second quarter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's wild how many guys they have that
Speaker 1: can play high level All right, enjoy the game. Great
Speaker 1: work today and we'll chat soon. Text him appreciate well
Speaker 1: to McMahon.
Speaker 3: Covers the NBA for ESPN.
Speaker 1: He technically is the ESPN guy on the Jazz beats,
Speaker 1: but the past couple of years it's not a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about with the jazz rough day man, no
Speaker 1: other way to put it. And Richard Smith is going
Speaker 1: to join us live in studio smid. He spent forty
Speaker 1: years with Utah Jazz and he is going to take
Speaker 1: me to task for my opinion that the Jazz we're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing by losing games this year. Tim
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