WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.520 Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:05.000 NBA daily assists. 3 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:12.839 Van McMahon, Van McMahan, that is duding all the land 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:22.320 Texas flood as tickets. Mud. He's man, Van McMahon, Ban McMahan, 5 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:35.920 the man. 6 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.640 All right, Richard Smith not a half hour from now. 7 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:45.600 Smithy spent forty years with Utah Jazz front office. He's 8 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:48.079 already here and he is about to take me to 9 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:51.280 task for my opinion last year that the Jazz were 10 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.600 doing the right thing tanking for. 11 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:54.840 Their lottery luck. 12 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:56.920 But our next guest, you know him, you love him, 13 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:59.640 Tim McMahon, Tuesday afternoon. All right, Tim, the whole thing 14 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:01.600 is rich, The whole thing is fixed. The Jazz did 15 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:03.840 the right thing. Yeah, they fell to five. How are you, buddy, 16 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:06.079 County partner. 17 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.680 I know it's a gloomy day in Salt Lake City. 18 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:10.680 I'm in Oklahoma City. 19 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.400 It didn't work out the way they wanted to eat it, 20 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.799 with the Philly pick moving up into the top three, 21 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.879 So Donner and Oak get their hands number seventh. My 22 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.640 hometown's excited though. They liked the way that lottery worked out. 23 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.439 Oh mav was just falling ass backwards into the number 24 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:28.879 one overall pick. After months after traded generational talent, here's 25 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:32.599 a gift of another one. So yeah, you know, I 26 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.760 can imagine that you folks are a little bit perturbed 27 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:38.239 right now. 28 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.319 It is literally rainy and like forty eight degrees, so 29 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.040 it is cloudy, it is cold. It is perfect for 30 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.879 what today has brought with our local basketball fans. But tim, 31 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:52.799 let me, I mean, look, obviously I'm being facetious. You know, 32 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.840 what happened last night, ironically was the most likely outcome 33 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:59.040 for the Jazz, about a forty eight percent chance to 34 00:01:59.079 --> 00:01:59.879 get that number five. 35 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:02.760 It's called a lottery for a reason. 36 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:05.359 But of course it is kind of a rite of 37 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.000 passage for an NBA fan base that feels like they've 38 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:11.319 been screwed to scream foul. So for Jazz fans that 39 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.800 believe the fixes in what do you have to say? 40 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.599 I mean, I'm not going to get into conspiracy theory stuff. 41 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:20.919 I believe there are two Salt Lake City based reporters 42 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.560 that were in the lottery drawing room. I would invite 43 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.599 you to read the coverage of Andy B. Larson and 44 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.719 Sarah Todd. I mean, I'm pretty sure if there was 45 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:32.560 a conspiracy that would have screwed the Utah Jazz. I'm 46 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.560 pretty sure they would have covered it in you know, 47 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:35.400 in their reporting. 48 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:37.800 I mean, it was just what. 49 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.800 A storyline, what an insane outcome, and what a bummer 50 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:42.879 for the Jazz fans. 51 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:46.080 Yeah, Nandy was our guest earlier on the on the show, 52 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.080 and to your point, he was in the room and 53 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:49.240 talked to Justin Zannak. 54 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.919 I thought, Xana Candle it really well. 55 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.639 And like I said, when you look at the odds, 56 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.719 what happened last night was the most likely outcome. So 57 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.240 before we move over to the bigger story, which is 58 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:01.560 what it means for the MAVs and potentially some player 59 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:05.360 movement and such. And I am like you where when 60 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.479 it comes to who the number five pick should be, 61 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.879 I'll read Jonathan Cavoni or some of the guys at 62 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:13.240 the Athletic. So just instead of me asking you to 63 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.080 nail down a name, just what sort of value is 64 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.479 your understanding that will be there for the Jazz at five. 65 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:20.199 I'm gonna look. 66 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:24.919 Obviously, number one is clear cut, far and away the 67 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.000 easiest decision in this draft. There's a generational talent there. 68 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.319 I think number two seems to be pretty concrete and 69 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:33.840 then things get a leal, it gets to be more 70 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.039 in the in the eye of the beholder. There have 71 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.000 been a lot of great players pick for the fifth 72 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:40.520 overall pick. There have been a lot of guys who 73 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:44.159 didn't end up having star caliber careers. You know, we'll 74 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.800 see where this ends up for the Jazz. Who I'm 75 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:49.639 sure the Jazz have had the fifth overall pick. When 76 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:51.240 Dante's in the fifth overall pick. 77 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.199 Oh man, Yes he was, Tim, Thanks for bringing that up. 78 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:56.159 Last time the Jazz pick five, it was Dante. 79 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:58.000 Hey, so it's the guy. 80 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:58.919 Who's got an ownership shared. 81 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.960 Delane Wade brooked up pretty well for the Miami Heat, 82 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.039 so you know, it's kind of there's a wide spectrum there. 83 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.360 Oh, for sure. Charles Barkley was a number five pick. Look, 84 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.919 you can get value at five. I mean, hell Yokich 85 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.000 forty two. We could keep going down the list, Like 86 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.879 while it feels like Chicken little, this guy is falling. 87 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:17.680 You never know how this stuff is going to play out. 88 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:19.879 So let me ask you one more Jazz question before 89 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.439 we move on, because you hear a lot of reports 90 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:25.600 and Shams himself was on television yesterday saying he is 91 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.680 hearing the Jazz are going to be very active and 92 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.480 aggressive even if they didn't get one or two, they're 93 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.279 going to try to move up. And you're reporting the 94 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.199 MAVs have no interest in trading one, and I completely 95 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.160 get it. I wouldn't either, But can you illuminate our 96 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:40.920 market out here as to whether or not you have 97 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.000 any understanding of now we know where the Jazz will draft, 98 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.519 what do you think this offseason looks like? 99 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.959 Well, I think this all season is going to first 100 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.720 have to there's gonna be a lot of internal discussions 101 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:57.920 because clearly they picked a route this year and took 102 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:02.000 a risk this year that didn' not have the intended reward, 103 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.600 did not come close to the intended reward, And then 104 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:07.839 I think, you know, they're really going to have to 105 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:13.759 have some serious discussions debate whatever it may be about 106 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:17.959 whether it is a rational, irrational and and and smart 107 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.199 approach to basically repeat to to kind of run it 108 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.319 back and aim for the number one overall pick again 109 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:29.360 next year, or whether that's counterproductive, whether you're you know, 110 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.079 how much damage are you doing in the developmental process, 111 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:37.040 all those kind of things. I think it's a rational approach. 112 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.560 I also think it's extraordinary risky. And again the risk 113 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.639 is number one. Even for the worst record of league, 114 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.199 the most likely spot is going to be fifth. Uh. 115 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.720 But the risk is also like, are you just stunning 116 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:53.720 the development of the young players that you already have 117 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:54.759 on board? 118 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:56.199 There? 119 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:58.839 There's not an it's not like it's. 120 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.319 An easy solution here. 121 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:02.199 They're in a tough spot. 122 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:04.639 Yeah they are, Yeah they are. 123 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.000 And we'll see what sort of magic Danny and jay 124 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:09.680 Z can execute and hopefully give this thing turned around 125 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.279 prior to twenty forty five, because that's the way everybody 126 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:16.360 feels around here. But of course, Tim, the one team 127 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.160 that could have grabbed number one to lead the entire 128 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.600 country to scream foul was the team that grabbed number 129 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:26.879 one with the Dallas Maverick. So of course you know 130 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.800 Dallas better than probably any media member out there. I 131 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.199 want to know what went through your mind when you 132 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.279 saw that that was the deal and where you're at 133 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:39.120 with it now, you know about a day later, I. 134 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.920 Just started cracking up, to be honest with you, I'm like, 135 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.240 you have got to be kidding me. And you know, 136 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.680 I've heard some people say, who does this prove that 137 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:52.920 Nigo Harrison made the right decision on MI. Come on, like, folks. 138 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:56.600 What this does is bailed out the franchise from what 139 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.040 appeared to be a disastrous trade. And when they made 140 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.759 that trade, to plan wasn't like, well, man, let's make this. 141 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.000 Trade to win. A lot of the plane was let's make. 142 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.439 The straight and win a championship this season, which obviously 143 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.680 didn't happen for a variety of reasons. And then they 144 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:17.319 just fell ass backwards into unbelievably good fortune. And you know, 145 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:23.079 look if the tanking teams, the outright tankers, the full 146 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:27.000 season tankers got punished and got you know, if Carmel 147 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:28.759 was a factor there, I don't see how the Matericks 148 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.319 ended up with the first overall pick. But what this 149 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.639 does is it totally bails them out a fan base 150 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.959 that was outraged, that had been apathetic, It was just 151 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:41.600 kind of turning toward apathy. 152 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.199 Well, those folks are going to be excited again. They're 153 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:46.000 going to be on board. 154 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.079 They've not not just a generational talent, but an extraordinarily 155 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:53.399 marketable talent. The long term concerns, oh, you traded your 156 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:57.759 pitch from twenty seven to thirty building around Luca building 157 00:07:57.759 --> 00:07:59.720 that final time around Luca. What happens at the end 158 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:01.759 of this read a four year time frame. Oh my goodness, 159 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.800 we're going to be given up top three, top five picks. Well, 160 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:06.920 I don't think you have to worry about that now. 161 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:11.920 You just got a gifted, an eighteen year old generational 162 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.800 talent that you can build around for. You know, they 163 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:16.519 hope the next fifteen to twenty years. 164 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:19.360 And as you reported, you know, because it was interesting, 165 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.879 Like I listened to your guy Wendy last night and 166 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.040 then watching stuff on ESPN today, and there's a lot 167 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.920 of speculation about what And I called this earlier today. 168 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:31.879 I called last. 169 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.440 Night one of the most consequential nights literally in the 170 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:36.480 in NBA history. 171 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:37.679 And only time will tell. 172 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:40.879 It's the Tatum injury, it's the next getting a win, 173 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.080 It's the lottery going down the way that it did. 174 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.799 It's maybe Gianness is available, maybe Boston breaks it down. 175 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.840 We'll get to San Antonio too. But you're reporting Dallas 176 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:51.879 is not going to move off of one and they 177 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:53.480 are going to draft Cooper Flag. 178 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:59.399 Yes, yes, And like I'm not sure what Nico Harrison's 179 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.200 thoughts are, to be honest with you, but I'm telling 180 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:06.480 you that that doesn't matter. Patrick Dumont, who just finished 181 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:09.240 his first year as the MAVs governor, who had the 182 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.679 thing blow up in his face, who was looking at 183 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.039 bleeding money for the foreseeable future, is not going to 184 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:21.360 entertain We thought of potentially trading this pick for one second. 185 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:25.159 Cooper Flag will be under Dallas Mavericks. Again, this is 186 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.279 a gift. Course they ain't looking at the mouth. This 187 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:34.240 solves their massive business wows. It certainly mitigates the long 188 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:38.000 term concerns of being out all those picks. Cooper Flag will. 189 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:38.399 Be in Dallas. 190 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.720 And I know you reference the portion of the intrawebs 191 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.960 that actually believe this was Nico Harrison playing chessnut checkers, 192 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:48.000 which is beyond dumb. 193 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.200 But let me ask you. Are MAVs fans now. 194 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.279 In a place where they, I don't know, don't want 195 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:54.960 to show up at his house so he doesn't have 196 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:59.639 to have security. Is this completely removing the heat from 197 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.759 nie O Harrison as it pertains the way MAVs fans 198 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:03.519 are feeling today. 199 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.519 I you know, I don't think that it solves his 200 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:13.240 relationship with the the fan base, but it does solve 201 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.919 the will people show up to you know, to games 202 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.360 next year, will people tune in on TV to watch 203 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:25.080 this team? Look, Nico, he put himself in a spot 204 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.320 where he's going to be the guy who backstabbed Luca. Uh, 205 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:30.559 you know that's a Luca is always going to be 206 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:34.399 beloved in Dallas. I don't know that fans are going 207 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.840 to you know, they're they're they're not going to be uh, 208 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:38.960 they're you know, they're they're not going to be chanting 209 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:42.080 give Nico a raise. I can tell you that whether 210 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.480 there's fired Nico chance or not again next year, I 211 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.159 can't say, but I would say this is a this 212 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.799 is a stroke of massive luck that I do think 213 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:58.120 will absolutely change the vibe around the franchise. And what 214 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.559 I think will happen is Nico Harrison will no longer 215 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.240 be a focal point for fans fair. 216 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:06.919 Enough, so then it gets interest in it too. 217 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:10.200 With san Antonio, And you know, everything I read about 218 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:13.440 Dylan Harper and everything I've watched about Dylan Harper indicates 219 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.440 that he's gonna he has a chance to be really good. Now, 220 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.440 these are all young players, and you never know how 221 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:21.200 it's gonna work out. San Antonio, you know, at this point, 222 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.720 is in a really really advantageous spot because of all 223 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.399 of the assets they have not just now and moving forward, 224 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.600 and some really exciting young players, and you know, does 225 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:35.080 Dylan Harper provide some redundancy after acquiring dearon Fox? And 226 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.480 you have Stefan Castle like they san Antonio, I mean, 227 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.240 Dallas is the clear winner. But san Antonio comes out 228 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:43.879 of this once again in a really great spot. Of course, 229 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.639 the conversation turns to Giannis and anyone else that could 230 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.080 be available, and you put Giannis next to when but 231 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.399 Yama it feels like it's completely unfair. 232 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.360 But what do you think the Spurs do it too? 233 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:55.399 Well? 234 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:00.440 You know, miss Johnson now they're head coach. Uh talked 235 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.559 to the media last night and he's the way he 236 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.720 phrased it was that puts them in position to make 237 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.480 a really big acquisition. I thought that was a very 238 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.759 interesting phrase. And I definitely think that they've got you know, 239 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.720 they've got two out of picks too, and what is 240 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:16.720 it fourteen? I believe you know, they've got young talent 241 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.759 on some of that young talents on its second contract. 242 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.480 So there's the you know, they've got plenty of flexibility 243 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.639 and assets. They've got extra picks down the road to Atlantis, 244 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.039 which has some value, some significant value. I think the 245 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.639 second of ball pick is absolutely in play. Now, It's 246 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:36.320 not in play for anybody. I think it's in play 247 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.399 for the honest and you know, the honest Wimby fit 248 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.639 Holy moly, boy, Like for all the reasons Brook Lopez 249 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.159 and Jiannis. You know Brook Lopez is complimented Jannie so well, 250 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.559 Wimby does that has a superstar skills package? Like are 251 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:57.399 you kidding me? Defensively you want to try to score 252 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:01.080 on the bat tandem and then offensively when we can 253 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.360 space out to thirty open it up for you, honest, 254 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:05.759 and then also have the ability to be a go 255 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.799 to guy. Like if that happens, it could be pretty 256 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:09.480 being scary. 257 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.399 So the other teams that I've heard and I've heard 258 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.960 you guys talk about this on the collective, Houston, of course, 259 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.840 that had a great regular season, advanced to the postseason 260 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:21.600 probably ahead of schedule for most, certainly for me. And 261 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:23.879 then Oklahoma City, which of course is going to be 262 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:25.720 in the mix because of all the assets they have 263 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.080 and all the great young players they have. So does 264 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.080 this feel like Milwaukee can just kind of sit back 265 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.600 and say make us your best offer, and a bidding 266 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:34.919 war could ensue for Giannis. 267 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:39.720 Well, I think that Jannis is going to have significance 268 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:44.000 say on where he goes, and I think that there 269 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.519 was an understanding when he signed this last extension if 270 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:53.600 it reached that point that they wouldn't they wouldn't trade 271 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:58.679 him without giving him some say. My anticipation is number one, 272 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.200 we don't know for certain that you honest is gonna 273 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.159 ask to be moved, But should he do so, I 274 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:08.159 think he will give them a probably a very short list, 275 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:10.480 and I think the Bucks will respect his wishes and 276 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.360 operate off that list. And you know, we'll see maybe 277 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.000 those teams that you just mentioned are on the list, 278 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.080 and then they you know, it does become the highest bitterer, 279 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.360 uh type of situation. I would tell you this. I 280 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:28.240 think it is ill advised to assume that Oklahoma City Thunder, 281 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:32.440 the Oklahoma City Thunder will be involved here. They could 282 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.759 if they could be right. They obviously have the assets. 283 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:41.159 But I number one, okay See might be you know, 284 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.240 about a month away from a parade in Bricktown, but 285 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:49.080 I will be surprised if oka See makes a core 286 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.960 altering trade this summer. I could be wrong, not guarantee 287 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.240 it doesn't happen. I would be surprised. 288 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.039 So the Tatum news, which became official about an hour ago, 289 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.679 and it just it sucks. I mean, entering the prime 290 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.799 of a career that's already been incredibly successful, and he 291 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:08.679 was so good at the Garden before going down with 292 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.200 a couple of minutes left. You know, Mark Spears today 293 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.360 said something that was interesting that he was told based 294 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.320 off of new ownership in Boston, based off of payroll 295 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.159 next year that's like two hundred and twenty four million, 296 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:25.600 and you know second Apron, you know, economic liabilities with 297 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:27.799 a punitive nature of the way the CBA is laid 298 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.919 out that there were going to be changes in Boston anyway, 299 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.919 and now the Tatum thing probably changes the entire scope 300 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:36.039 I guess of the approach. 301 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.039 Is there a chance that a Jalen Brown is available? 302 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.440 Is there a chance that Derek White is available? 303 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:41.559 Like? 304 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.919 What do you think happens in Boston this offseason? And 305 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:46.279 who are the players that could potentially get involved? You 306 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.360 grab maybe some of the pieces they decide to shed. 307 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.279 Yeah, it's been pretty well understood throughout the league that 308 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.519 this up to sort of make some sort of cost 309 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:59.480 cutting move this summer. Drew Holiday, frankly is the one 310 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:03.240 that hurt most often as the possibility. Obviously when you're 311 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.679 looking at age, that makes sense, but you know, whether 312 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:12.080 it's him, whether it's you know, Porzingis, whether it's Janson 313 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:13.399 Brown would be the most. 314 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.960 Surprised to me, just because you know of the age. 315 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.320 But he's the biggest contract out of the non Tatum guys. 316 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.320 What this does is basically what Boston is not going 317 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.480 to repeat champions probably knocks them out of real contention 318 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.759 next year, but they're still going to have a chance 319 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.639 to contend the championships during the Tatum during the Tatum era, 320 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:37.840 he's twenty seven, just turned twenty seven. She has to 321 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.960 enter in his prime. The medical technology is better than 322 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.320 it's ever been, you know. Kevin Durant is kind of 323 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.559 exhibit a of just how strong guys can come back 324 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:51.080 from Achilles these days. And he's going to be six 325 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.759 foot time, you know, with a great NBA body with 326 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:58.360 extraordinarily skill. I don't think Jason Tatum's days is a 327 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:02.000 superstar done by any stretch, but this is obviously a 328 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.599 massive blow to the Celtics over the next you know, 329 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.319 two playoff cycles, and there's going to be big changes 330 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:10.279 at Boston roster. 331 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.559 Now to your earlier point, a lot of the off 332 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.480 season will be colored by the remainder of the postseason, 333 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:20.440 which leads me to Cleveland. And I suppose if you're Cleveland, 334 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.200 you can say, well, Darius wasn't right, we lost DeAndre 335 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:26.680 Hunter and Evan Mobley, and you know, you can lean 336 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.400 back on the injury stuff and the health stuff because 337 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:34.000 by every metric, they had a historic regular season. Donovan 338 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.680 Mitchell knows a thing or two about having historic regular seasons, 339 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.119 and it looks like he is about to go home 340 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:39.400 again after the second round. 341 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:41.599 Is there a pivot in Cleveland? 342 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:43.200 Did they look at these four and say, maybe it 343 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:44.759 doesn't work or are they going to run it back? 344 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:50.680 I would way draw on them running it back. You know, they. 345 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.599 Obviously they didn't hitot last year and changed coaches, But 346 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:59.640 from a roster standpoint, they didn't pivot last season. You know, 347 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:02.039 I don't think you can just chalk this uping with 348 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.079 other's injuries and whatnot. Like, look, it looks like they're 349 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:06.920 going to exit in the second round. That's a massive 350 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:09.440 disappointment given the success they had in the regular season, 351 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:12.720 which raises the standard. I think you've got to give 352 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:17.079 it at least another year and say, hey, they showed 353 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.880 during the regular season, this can be a contending caliber team. 354 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:23.400 Didn't happen like you wanted to in the playoffs, But 355 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:26.839 let's give this group another year, especially a group where 356 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.200 you know, I think there's reasonable belief that Evan Mobley 357 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:34.400 will continue to grow and develop and evolve as a player, 358 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.720 and you know that there's a lot more upside to 359 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:38.359 be had there. 360 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:40.920 Are you ready to say that it's Indiana and New 361 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:42.519 York and Eastern Conference Finals? 362 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.559 I mean, certainly that's where I would put my bets. 363 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:50.839 How's that for going on all in with those teams 364 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.680 up three to one and there being injury issues on 365 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:55.880 the teams that are down three to one. I mean, 366 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:58.039 it would be shocking at this point. And it's funny 367 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:00.480 because if it hasn't gone in this series, how to 368 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.480 laugh at the possibility. But it's it certainly looks like 369 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.440 that's what we're looking at. Middy Miller, you know, get 370 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.119 all the old Regi Miller clips out Regi Miller versus 371 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:12.319 Spike Lee and all that stuff. 372 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:13.839 It looks like we're gonna get a repeat that. 373 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:14.680 I'm with you. 374 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.119 No part of me ever thought, you know, and mostly 375 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.559 it was because of how much I respected Boston. But 376 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:21.720 things have changed, and so we'll see how it plays out. 377 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.960 We'll end with the game you're on tonight. But before 378 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.559 we get there, uh, you know, I felt like Golden 379 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.599 State just needed to get one. You ball, Steph was 380 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.960 on the sideline, and now it just kind of feels like, 381 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:33.960 I don't know if it's possible for them to get 382 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.400 Steph back and what's realistic to expect? But do you 383 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:38.440 think they closed it out going back to the Twin Cities? 384 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:42.440 I would think so. I mean, without staff, it's just 385 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.480 a struggle for no Warriors to score. The thunder Wolves 386 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:50.039 are obviously playing with an extreme amount of confidence. And 387 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:53.720 you know, according to esp and research, when Rudy Gobert 388 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.759 has a close, that opportunity against the guy who's made 389 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:01.160 a point of humiliating and during this season, he averages 390 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.519 twenty seven points to twenty four rebounds, So look out. 391 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.640 Dray mom Well said, all right, what do you think 392 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:11.440 happens tonight? This Nuggets okay series, okayc series has been 393 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:13.799 awesome and I don't even know which way to lean 394 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.039 at this point, Tim, So where are you at with 395 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:17.920 this series and how do you think tonight plays out? 396 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:18.839 Before I set you loose? 397 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:22.400 Well, it's been an awesome competition. The game four, honestly 398 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.799 was awful to watch, So let's not lie. That's I'm 399 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.200 sitting there watching that thing in person, and my eyeballs 400 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.759 are still acheen. And it's a really tough spot for 401 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:34.319